Dell Latitude vs Mac book Pro

[mdparks]

My wife and I are looking to purchase a new computer to help us start up an business and I am typing this from our 1999 Dell Desktop. We have never had problems with this computer and always have been a fan of Dell. Now that she is using photoshop we can see it bogging down and wanting the capability to travel with this computer we obviously need a NEW lap top.

Pricing out a loaded Dell we can get something pretty high end for about $2600. The comparable (slightly better) Mac book Pro (which I like) is about $3600. Is the Mac Book Pro worth another $1000 and why?

What we will use this for: Photo editing and graphic design. Website updating and plan to get a 1TB external hard drive for photo storage. Will want a CD/DVD burner and already bought a 24" Samsung secondary monitor for at home use.

At my company both Apple and Dell give us a three year - interst free loan for a new computer and accessories purchase that get systematically deducted from my paycheck (up to $4000). these two brands are my ONLY options.

Any suggestions are welcomed. THANKS!

[edesignuk]

What exact Dell are you looking at, and what are it's specs? Same question with the MacBook Pro.

[Mindflux]

Dell laptops. Meh. The 5150 I have has a known fault in the design that Dell acknowledged and was forced to fix. They extended the warranty to 9/30/07, but neglected to notify people.. so mine sat bricked beyond that date and I had to fight tooth and nail to get it fixed (which it still isn't 'fixed').

I'll never buy another Dell Laptop.

[edesignuk]

Dell laptops. Meh. The 5150 I have has a known fault in the design that Dell acknowledged and was forced to fix. They extended the warranty to 9/30/07, but neglected to notify people.. so mine sat bricked beyond that date and I had to fight tooth and nail to get it fixed (which it still isn't 'fixed').

I'll never buy another Dell Laptop.Mac laptops haven't exactly had a glowing history of reliability of late, so let's not start down that road.

[mdparks]

What exact Dell are you looking at, and what are it's specs? Same question with the MacBook Pro.


Mac book Pro - $3700
2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
MacBook Pro 17-inch High-Resolution Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Dell vostro - $2200
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Business and QuickBooks Pro 2008
17.0 inch Wide Screen XGA+ LCD Display
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz, 2 DIMM
250GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
8X CD/DVD Burner w/ double-layer DVD+R write capability

Dell M6300 -
I built a little bit better Dell with 7200 rpm hard drvie and it ran XP and had a 2.4GHz T7700 Intel Core Processor and this was $2600

[kothrush]

If you are going to do what you described and not bother running latest games, get stock MBP 2.2 GHz, which is $1999. This is a very powerful machine and you should not have any problem with it.

If you thinking of updating HDD, dont do it. You'll have external 1TB, so internal 120GB should be good for the road. You might want to get 3rd party RAM later on, but i say 2GB is good for now. Use it, see how you feel, only get 4GB RAM from 3rd party (crucial, macsales.com etc.) if you think 2GB won't be enough.

[jnc]

$3600? The most expensive stock MBP (17") costs $2800.

[mdparks]

$3600? The most expensive stock MBP (17") costs $2800.

Not true. You can customize it. There are ways to spend well over $4000 on one. First of all Apple rapes you on extra Ram which I already deceided not to purchase through the, (dell is more resonable and competitive with Crucal, etc.).

Then you can get a HD screen, and then a bigger HDD, and upgrade processor to 2.6, with a mighty mouse and wireless keyboard and the warranty it is $3600.

Oh..and I could buy a external monitor 24" for some outragous sum of money but I bought a Samsung for $300 that excellent.

[jnc]

Mac book Pro - $3700
2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
MacBook Pro 17-inch High-Resolution Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm

$250 for the 2.6, $200 for the 7200rpm 200GB. That's $450 extra. $3250 not $3700.

PS Maybe you should hold out until Jan 08 where you can expect 2.6 as standard, saving at least $250

Edit: As for your last post, I said STOCK MBP 17", that means the base config. But yes if you really want to part with some cash you could purchase extra RAM, but only a fool would. Aside from the HD screen and ridiculous 200 MHz $250 upgrade, everything can be bought elsewhere for less.

[edesignuk]

Mac book Pro - $3700
2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
MacBook Pro 17-inch High-Resolution Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Dell vostro - $2200
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Business and QuickBooks Pro 2008
17.0 inch Wide Screen XGA+ LCD Display
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz, 2 DIMM
250GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
8X CD/DVD Burner w/ double-layer DVD+R write capability
OK, well you're paying a $250 premium for that 2.6GHz CPU you put in the MacBook, and $200 for the 7200RPM drive too. So that's $450 you've added to the MacBook that isn't needed.

Anyway, you say this is for a business, so I'd say far more important is what business applications will you need to run?

edit: ^ ha, beaten to the exact same point.

[mdparks]

$250 for the 2.6, $200 for the 7200rpm 200GB. That's $450 extra. $3250 not $3700.

PS Maybe you should hold out until Jan 08 where you can expect 2.6 as standard, saving at least $250

Maybe we will wait. I kind of want to get this thing soon though. $250 is not really worth over three years no interest. the $3700 comes from the apple care protection and the wireless mouse and keyboard, etc. We will be able to get a student discount but the Dell will be discounted through my company so I expect it is a wash there.

I am trying really hard to convince myself that the Mac Book Pro is the way to go but no one has been able to convince me yet. Spyware and viruses are the only things that are pushing me to spend the extra $1000.

[edesignuk]

me to spend the extra $1000.YOU are spending the extra $1000 through your spec choices. It's doesn't need to cost that much. Does the Dell come with a 2.6GHz processor, a 7200RPM drive, and 3 year warranty (vs the AppleCare you're buying)?

[mdparks]

OK, well you're paying a $250 premium for that 2.6GHz CPU you put in the MacBook, and $200 for the 7200RPM drive too. So that's $450 you've added to the MacBook that isn't needed.

Anyway, you say this is for a business, so I'd say far more important is what business applications will you need to run?

edit: ^ ha, beaten to the exact same point.

We will run microsoft office, CS 2 (*eventaully CS 3 or better), Quickbooks, Dreamweaver, Several Photo archiving and storage softwares, and CS 2 has a bunch of specialize actions that we purchased to edit hundreds of photos in the click of a button (wife is the expert on this stuff).

[techlover828]

Mac book Pro - $3700
2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
MacBook Pro 17-inch High-Resolution Widescreen Display
2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Dell vostro - $2200
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7250 (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Business and QuickBooks Pro 2008
17.0 inch Wide Screen XGA+ LCD Display
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz, 2 DIMM
250GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
8X CD/DVD Burner w/ double-layer DVD+R write capability

Dell M6300 -
I built a little bit better Dell with 7200 rpm hard drvie and it ran XP and had a 2.4GHz T7700 Intel Core Processor and this was $2600

you're getting a 2.6GHz but only 2GB of ram?

[mdparks]

YOU are spending the extra $1000 through your spec choices. It's doesn't need to cost that much. Does the Dell come with a 2.6GHz processor, a 7200RPM drive, and 3 year warranty (vs the AppleCare you're buying)?

Not 2.6 (only 2.4) but the warranty and drive is the same. I tried to make it as apples to apples as I could (no pun intended)

[mdparks]

you're getting a 2.6GHz but only 2GB of ram?

I refuse to buy extra ram from Apple. Its a $750 upgrade. I will go to a third party and get 4GB for $250 or so or add as needed.

[edesignuk]

We will run microsoft office, CS 2 (*eventaully CS 3 or better), Quickbooks, Dreamweaver, Several Photo archiving and storage softwares, and CS 2 has a bunch of specialize actions that we purchased to edit hundreds of photos in the click of a button (wife is the expert on this stuff).
Ok, so with Office, Photoshop and Dreamweaver you're fine (as in they exist for Mac, you might have to buy them all again though, don't know). How about Quickbooks and this other "photo archiving and storage softwares", does anything comparable exist for Mac?
Not 2.6 (only 2.4) but the warranty and drive is the same. I tried to make it as apples to apples as I could (no pun intended)Your post says the Dell has a 2.0Ghz processor, considerably cheaper than a 2.6Ghz C2D.

[brad.c]

Why is it these comparison threads rarely take the OS into consideration? Any pure hardware-to-hardware match fails to quantify the MBPs ability to run a legal, unhacked version of OSX. If you don't care about OSX, then you'll always be able to find a cheaper PC alternative. If you do care, then Dell can't offer anything beyond an external monitor.

And I love my Dell 2407WFP-HC, as long as it shows me my Tiger/Leopard interface.

[mdparks]

Ok, so with Office, Photoshop and Dreamweaver you're fine (as in they exist for Mac, you might have to buy them all again though, don't know). How about Quickbooks and this other "photo archiving and storage softwares", does anything comparable exist for Mac?
Your post says the Dell has a 2.0Ghz processor, considerably cheaper than a 2.6Ghz C2D.

yeah...sorry that was confusing. The $2200 had a 2.0Gb and the $2600 had the 2.4Gb.

The $2600 is really the closer version of the Mac Book Pro that I want.

[Mindflux]

Mac laptops haven't exactly had a glowing history of reliability of late, so let's not start down that road.


Yes, but customer service between companies is night and day difference. Apple will fix it, Dell was FORCED to fix it.

[edesignuk]

Yes, but customer service between companies is night and day difference. Apple will fix it, Dell was FORCED to fix it.Apple will fix it if you're lucky. Ask mpw how he's been getting on with his MacBook, and he is just one of many.

All I'm saying is that to try and compare support and reliability Apple have a long way to go before you'd want to use this in an argument.

[mdparks]

So bottom line you guys would go with Apple over Dell but tone down the extras? I just figured that since we are not people who intend to buy a new computer every other year to go with the best processor and call it a purchase.

I read the forums on this website and mostly find defenders of Apple whiich is fine. Like I said, I am trying to get convinced to spend the estra money. I am just looking for some good facts and different points of view to justify the extra money and perhaps understand why Apple is "better for photos and graphic design" like the comercials say.

also, good point on the operating system. I know it is hard to compare Dell's with Apples but for me I am trying to take a simplified approach to get some answers and that may not be possible for what I am trying to do.

[amoda]

Okay, I just went to Dell's website and customized the M6300.

Here's what I get:

Intel C2D 2.4 <--Optional, going to a 2.6 costs an extra $320.
Nvida FX1600 256mb <--Standard
17" WUXGA UltraSharpTM Display (1920*1200) <--Optional
2GB ram <--Optional
120Gb HD, 7200RPM <--Optional, closest option to the one in the MBP.
8X Dvd RW <--Optional
Bluetooth <--Optional
Draft-N Wireless <--Optional
Vista Ultimate <--Optional

Price: $2835

From Apple's side:

2.4Ghz C2D <--Standard, going to a 2.6 costs an extra $250.
2Gb ram<--Standard
160Gb 5400 <--Standard
8x Dvd RW <--Standard
17" High Def (1920*1200) <--Optional
Bluetooth <--Standard
Draft-N Wireless <--Standard
Nvida 8600M GT 256MB <--Standard
Mac OS X 10.5 <--Standard

Price: $2899

So you're paying an extra $64 for no viruses, better OS, sexier/slimmer case, backlit keyboard and whatnot. I'm not sure which graphic card is better but by the numbers I assume the 8600M GT?

And oi, anti-virus software ain't free :P Had to take a jab, sorry :(

Edits: Fixed my multiple grammar & spelling mistakes :( And I also added a jab at Microsoft :)

[nickweston]

After owning 19 Macs over 23 years and building a successful business on them, I have been asked this type of question by many people over the years.

In the past, I've gone into speeches about quality or hardware, superb OS, ease of use, lack of viruses, etc. I could go on and on.

but now my standard answer is:

if you could look at both of these alternatives and STILL consider a PC, get one! by all means get the PC. Please. Leave us alone here. We're tired of telling people how productive and happy and wonderful our "expensive" Macs are, only to be followed with more questions questions questions, and almost all of them are about MONEY by people who "claim" to be professionals.

Did you buy the BMW 5 series? Why not the Ford Focus?

GET A PC! RUN YOUR VIRUS WIZARD! DOWNLOAD YOUR SERVICE PACK! WATCH THE DOGGIE WITH THE FLASHLIGHT FIND THE FILE ON YOUR :C DRIVE! DO IT! You'll never notice the difference, my friend.

the best part of this question is that this guy is in the GRAPHICS business!

[CashGap]

Okay, I just went to Dell's website and customized the M6300.

Here's what I get:

Intel C2D 2.4 <--Optional, going to a 2.6 costs and extra $320.
Nvida FX1600 256mb <--Standard
17" WUXGA UltraSharpTM Display (1920*1200) <--Optional
2GB ram <--Optional
120Gb HD, 7200RPM <--Optional, closest option to the one in the MBP.
8X Dvd RW <--Optional
Bluetooth <--Optional
Draft-N Wireless <--Optional
Vista Ultimate <--Optional

Price: $2835

From Apple's side:

2.4Ghz C2D 2.4 <--Standard, going to a 2.6 costs and extra $250.
2Gb ram<--Standard
160Gb 5400 <--Standard
8x Dvd RW <--Standard
17" High Def (1920*1200) <--Optional
Bluetooth <--Standard
Draft-N Wireless <--Standard
Nvida 8600M GT 256MB <--Standard
Mac OS X 10.5 <--Standard

Price: $2899

So you're paying an extra $64 for no viruses, better OS, sexier/slimmer case, backlit keyboard and whatnot. I'm not sure which graphic card is better but by the numbers I assume the 8600M GT?


And there's more to it. We are looking at acquisition cost, ignoring end of life value.

Go to eBay, look up a two year old Dell laptop and an equivilent two year old Apple laptop. NIGHT AND DAY difference. Now, you may realize that value by selling at the end of two years, or you may realize that value by holding onto what the market says is a much more valuable two year old machine.

Either way, some of the Apple benefit comes later in the machine's life either as a "second life" with another owner or a longer life for you.


Also... if you buy the Mac and wish you'd bought a Vista laptop instead, you can buy a copy of Vista OEM and switch 100% to Vista for about $120. And you'll have what PC World calls the fastest Vista laptop they've ever tested.

If you buy the Dell and wish you'd bought a Mac instead... you can sell the Dell for maybe $800 to $1000 off what you paid, if you do it QUICK. 50% of purchase price if you wait six months.

[Mindflux]

DOWNLOAD YOUR SERVICE PACK!


I lol'd. What do you call 10.4.11 or 10.5.1?

[mdparks]

After owning 19 Macs over 23 years and building a successful business on them, I have been asked this type of question by many people over the years.

In the past, I've gone into speeches about quality or hardware, superb OS, ease of use, lack of viruses, etc. I could go on and on.

but now my standard answer is:

if you could look at both of these alternatives and STILL consider a PC, get one! by all means get the PC. Please. Leave us alone here. We're tired of telling people how productive and happy and wonderful our "expensive" Macs are, only to be followed with more questions questions questions, and almost all of them are about MONEY by people who "claim" to be professionals.

Did you buy the BMW 5 series? Why not the Ford Focus?

GET A PC! RUN YOUR VIRUS WIZARD! DOWNLOAD YOUR SERVICE PACK! WATCH THE DOGGIE WITH THE FLASHLIGHT FIND THE FILE ON YOUR :C DRIVE! DO IT! You'll never notice the difference, my friend.

the best part of this question is that this guy is in the GRAPHICS business!


thanks everyone. Also, this response is exactly the type of defensive strange behavior I would expect from most of the people on these forums but most everyone else was very helpful. we will most likly go with the MBP.

PS..i am not the graphics guru...my wife is and was trained and has been learning on a PC for several years. We want to switch...and will...but hopefully once we do we not have to deal with people who are defensive and angry at the PC world.

"leave us alone here".......thats just weird man.

[amoda]

thanks everyone. Also, this response is exactly the type of defensive strange behavior I would expect from most of the people on these forums but most everyone else was very helpful. we will most likly go with the MBP.

PS..i am not the graphics guru...my wife is and was trained and has been learning on a PC for several years. We want to switch...and will...but hopefully once we do we not have to deal with people who are defensive and angry at the PC world.

"leave us alone here".......thats just weird man.

The are happy people on both sides :) I still deal with the "Man, your mac sucks! You can't even right click!" so you'll get it on which ever "side" you're on.

I understand you might not be a graphics guru but it's what you're paying for. If you don't care about the graphics card as much go for a base 15.4" MBP. It'll do all that you want and save $$$ on the stuff you don't need. But you get what you pay for. If Apple offered an option to downgrade the graphic card the laptop would've cost less the Dell. But if we try to get the specs of both laptops as close to each other as possible the price difference is negligible, if not supporting the purchase of the MBP.

However, if you really do want to purchase the dell go for it! I'm not trying to convince you to come to the Apple side (you know you want too...:P) but am trying to give you all the information you need. The ball is in your court and hey, I won't shun you because you purchased a dell (hiss hiss :P).

Good luck with you purchase,
Amoda

P.S Don't forget which laptop won the "Fastest Windows Laptop" award as defined by PCworld :) (It was the macbook pro) Linky (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html)

Quote: "The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year is a Mac. Try that again: The fastest Windows Vista notebook we've tested this year--or for that matter, ever--is a Mac. Not a Dell, not a Toshiba, not even an Alienware. The $2419 (plus the price of a copy of Windows Vista, of course) MacBook Pro's PC WorldBench 6 Beta 2 score of 88 beats Gateway's E-265M by a single point, but the MacBook's score is far more impressive simply because Apple couldn't care less whether you run Windows."

[lasuther]

I wouldn’t spend $1000 more for an Apple, and I’m an Apple fanatic. But I wouldn’t buy the Dell. I would price out an Apple that is more inline with the price of the Dell.

A 15” MacBook Pro mid model with Apple Care runs $2848, which isn’t far from the $2600 Dell.

This MacBook Pro comes with some nice little touches like backlit keyboard, a LED Screen, slot loading drive, Magsafe power cord, Front Row Remote Control, FW800 (which could be important for you), built in iSight with iChat software, the amazing iLife software (which I couldn’t live without), and the ability to dual boot OSX and Windows. All in a metal package instead of the crap Dell plastic much more portable, weighs 64% lighter, and probably has better battery life than the Dell. Not to mention all the security issues Windows can bring.

The Dell gives you the practical 17” screen and 7200RPM hard drive. But if you have a 24” monitor and external HD (get one that has FW800 for the Apple), these are things I could live without to gain all the nice little extras the Apple comes with. Honestly, the Apple is just a better put together and well thought out laptop.

[saltyzoo]

The difference running photoshop on windows vs mac for me is worth $1000 easily. When working with large, complex files I struggled with my windows machine to get photoshop to finish a project. I just switched to mac last month and the smoothness that photoshop now runs with large files makes me an all around more pleasant person to deal with now. ;)

Gone are the days of waiting 5 minutes for a large file to save or open. I can put more of a project in one file saving time and making organization easier.

I can't say enough about the difference of just that one app under mac. The rest of my experience switching has been largely the same.

[mdparks]

The difference running photoshop on windows vs mac for me is worth $1000 easily. When working with large, complex files I struggled with my windows machine to get photoshop to finish a project. I just switched to mac last month and the smoothness that photoshop now runs with large files makes me an all around more pleasant person to deal with now. ;)

Gone are the days of waiting 5 minutes for a large file to save or open. I can put more of a project in one file saving time and making organization easier.

I can't say enough about the difference of just that one app under mac. The rest of my experience switching has been largely the same.

Thanks! Is it worth it in your opinion to get the 2.6 Ghx processor and upgarde to a High Def screen or stick with the regular screen (17") for photo editing purposes? Also, I guess I could ask the same question about the 5400 rpm vs the 7200 rpm HDD. All these things add up but since we are people who would like to not buy another computer for a while I am apt to go big now.

[japresl]

just from a pure personal opinion standpoint--I have had both Dell laptops and a Macbook that I currently use now. I will never go back to windows OR dell after experiencing the macbook.

[saltyzoo]

Is it worth it in your opinion to get the 2.6 Ghx processor

If it was in my budget I would just because upgrading just the cpu later isn't an option. If it put the machine out of my budget, I wouldn't let it concern me. I have yet to see my cpu's max out using photoshop - even with itunes, parallels, thunderbird, and firefox running alongside - and a time machine backup in progress.

and upgarde to a High Def screen or stick with the regular screen (17") for photo editing purposes?
The answer to that is personal preference. I got bit by a Compaq laptop with a huge resolution a few years ago. The screen was incredible but it was also nearly useless in reality. The pixels were so tiny as to be pointless. Unless the screen is also physically large, the extra pixels don't help all that much - in my experience. But really, that's going to be your call.

Also, I guess I could ask the same question about the 5400 rpm vs the 7200 rpm HDD.

The answer to this one is simple. How important is long battery life to you? If it's not critical, buy the faster drive. Battery life is the only real reason to go with the slower drive. The cost difference compared to performance is laughable. But it will kill your battery faster. I'm not talking boom it's dead, but it will be a noticeable difference.

[amoda]

One thing about the HD that I would like to add. I would recommend buying the 5400RPM drive for the laptop and buying a FireWire 800 7200RPM as your scratch disk.

You can store your finished products on your laptop HD (as well as a backup somewhere!!) and do some on the go editing but for the real work you should use an external. It's the generally accepted method of working. It conserves your battery and helps cut on heat/noise of the laptop.

I found this guideline a while ago and like it for it's simplicity:

The following guidelines can help you assign scratch disks:
• For best performance, scratch disks should be on a different drive than any large files you are editing.
• Scratch disks should be on a different drive than the one used for virtual memory.
• Scratch disks should be on a local drive. That is, they should not be accessed over a network.
• Scratch disks should be conventional (non-removable) media.
• Raid disks/disk arrays are good choices for dedicated scratch disk volumes.

[mdparks]

One thing about the HD that I would like to add. I would recommend buying the 5400RPM drive for the laptop and buying a FireWire 800 7200RPM as your scratch disk.

You can store your finished products on your laptop HD (as well as a backup somewhere!!) and do some on the go editing but for the real work you should use an external. It's the generally accepted method of working. It conserves your battery and helps cut on heat/noise of the laptop.

I found this guideline a while ago and like it for it's simplicity:

The following guidelines can help you assign scratch disks:
• For best performance, scratch disks should be on a different drive than any large files you are editing.
• Scratch disks should be on a different drive than the one used for virtual memory.
• Scratch disks should be on a local drive. That is, they should not be accessed over a network.
• Scratch disks should be conventional (non-removable) media.
• Raid disks/disk arrays are good choices for dedicated scratch disk volumes.

Sorry for ignorance.........FireWire 800 7200RPM as your scratch disk is just an apple external hard drive. Would this mean any additonal upgrades to the laptop?

[amoda]

No additional upgrades to your laptop are needed.

It's just when you go out to buy an external hard drive make sure it says FireWire 800 on it or at least FireWire 400 (which is faster than USB but slower than FW800). FW800 is a tad more expensive but it's worth the gain in performance.

Example (http://www.amazon.com/Maxtor-750-OneTouch-Firewire-T01W750/dp/B000JFHQ2Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1195672064&sr=8-4)

[nickweston]

thanks everyone. Also, this response is exactly the type of defensive strange behavior I would expect from most of the people on these forums but most everyone else was very helpful. we will most likly go with the MBP.

PS..i am not the graphics guru...my wife is and was trained and has been learning on a PC for several years. We want to switch...and will...but hopefully once we do we not have to deal with people who are defensive and angry at the PC world.

"leave us alone here".......thats just weird man.

Dude-

No, not angry, not defensive, but selfish: I'm just trying to shorten the lines at the Genius Bar.

I still think your post is a gag, thus the response.

[XxCH3AT3RxX]

Okay I do not know if you want my opinion or anything. But I have a dell laptop, hate it. Soon to be ordering a MBP. This is what I am getting and I think it would suit you fine as well.

# 2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
# 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
# 200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
# SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
# MacBook Pro 15-inch Widescreen Display

Price $2949

Or you can use the teacher discount, I am sure anyone can use it. I know I am when I am ordering since my mom is a teacher and the price is:

# 2.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
# 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
# 200GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
# SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
# MacBook Pro 15-inch Widescreen Display

Price $2704

Or order it on Black Friday and save some money as well.

Just a word of advice if you are planning on carying it around and traveling with your MBP, DO NOT GET 17". It is way too big trust me.

[ntrigue]

I try to encourage Windows users to purchase Toshiba if they are unwilling to switch. I've witnessed more Dell problems in their laptops than I can count on one hand. We are talking about serious failures here; screen, HDD failure.

I am a switcher and when I see a post like this it's difficult for me not to respond, "Apple and Oranges." The interface of OSX is so intuitive that I lament having to use XP/Vista at work.

My immediate suggestions include:
a) Wait one month for 2.6gHz to be the standard and not a pricey upgrade; we haven't even seen benchmark tests that justify the $250!
b) Purchase RAM and the 200Gb HDD from other sources.
c) Reevaluate the necessity for a HD screen seeing as you are using an external and MBP's have gorgeous resolution anyway.

I am thoroughly pleased with the capabilities of a 2.33gHz with 4Gb RAM. It is more capable than my Hyper-threading 3.2gHz with 3Gb RAM XP Desktop in all editing capabilities.

Embrace the Apple :apple: