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MacRumors
Nov 21, 2007, 01:01 PM
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TheStreet previews (http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/newsanalysis/mobile-executive/10391158.html) Verizon's new LG Voyager launched today. Dubbed an iPhone Killer (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/10/03/verizon-lg-announce-iphone-killer-voyager/) at its annonucement, the LG Voyager disappoints.
Here's the bleak truth about the Voyager: It's not the thrilling gadget adventure people were waiting for. ...
Playing with the Voyager for the past week has provided a nice mixture of fun with a familiar dash of frustration.
The Voyager has no document creation, email ($5/mo extra), or desktop syncing and appears tro be more of a media player and entertainment device. While it comes with a 3G connection, web browsing still uses the Openware browser "that's been lamely rendering Web pages ever since phones could access the Net."

PCMag's review (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2219629,00.asp) is less critical, and acknowledges some notable features, such as a force feedback touch screen, a physical keyboard and TV tuner. Their summary:
The Voyager does a lot of things that the iPhone doesn't: mobile TV, GPS, video recordingóand heck, it runs on Verizon's network. This handset is still a study in how the rest of the industry can't quite catch up to Apple's seamless, easy syncing and interface. But if you chose your network first and it's Verizon, this is the closest you'll get to a true mobile revolution for now. MobileBurn's review (http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Page=1&Id=3848) goes into more depth and describes it as a "multimedia monster" and "one of the most compelling devices" ever offered by Verizon but is also disappointed by it's lack of syncing capabilities.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/11/21/verizons-iphone-killer-the-lg-voyager-disappoints/)



plumbingandtech
Nov 21, 2007, 01:06 PM
And just like the long line of iPod killers, this iPhone "killer" bites the dust...

lofight
Nov 21, 2007, 01:07 PM
iPhone is still the best! then iPod Touch ... ;)

Telp
Nov 21, 2007, 01:10 PM
That's ashame, it doesnt bring much that an ordinary phone doesnt bring anyway (even the things apple left out). Its nothing revolutionary, just an iPhone lookalike. The 1st true one in what will be a long line.

dalvin200
Nov 21, 2007, 01:11 PM
And just like the long line of iPod killers, this iPhone "killer" bites the dust...

tru dat! :p

dr_lha
Nov 21, 2007, 01:14 PM
Just like all of Apple's competitors, this misses out of one vital thing that Apple knows: Implementation is just as important as features, if not more so. You can forgive the iPhones lacking features because what it has works so beautifully and is a joy to use. Almost every other phone on the market may have every features thrown in, but they are a pain in the ass to use.

michaelsviews
Nov 21, 2007, 01:14 PM
Cant say Verizon isn't trying, but each company and each device has its good points and bad points.

Hmmmm maybe I'll go and open up an acct and try it for 30 days, you get all your money back and don't have to pay for the calls or data or messages.

Naaahhhhhhh I have the best, why settle for second wanna be best

Guess the Verizon Execs are NOT going to bonus this year :eek:

miketcool
Nov 21, 2007, 01:15 PM
And so another manufacturer shamelessly rips Apple's icons and look. At least the shortcut menu doesn't look like that nasty Verizon interface I loathe navigating on my girlfriend's phone. When will she switch to a decent carrier so I can at least get her a decent phone.
Hopefully there is no option to use a touch keyboard on the front screen. Matching Verizon's lackluster UI with a touch interface (TRY using an LG Chocolate) is begging for me to put the device through a wall.

Next iPhone Killer rant...

Zune FŲn: "The turd brick you talk to"

michaelsviews
Nov 21, 2007, 01:15 PM
Just like all of Apple's competitors, this misses out of one vital thing that Apple knows: Implementation is just as important as features, if not more so. You can forgive the iPhones lacking features because what it has works so beautifully and is a joy to use. Almost every other phone on the market may have every features thrown in, but they are a pain in the ass to use.


I'll second what you said and very well put I mite add

killmoms
Nov 21, 2007, 01:18 PM
Is anyone really surprised by this? I saw video reviews of the device on YouTube before it was out and thought "This is supposed to kill the iPhone?" It has some features the iPhone doesn't, but the interface is a mess. Even in the video reviews the nerdy Apple-hating types who were all "IT'S BETTAR THAN IPHONE" were getting confused by the interface and doing things wrong.

It may do more, but if it frustrates me to use it, I can do without the features. I'll take a pleasant experience over an unpleasant one any day.

Yankees 4 Life
Nov 21, 2007, 01:18 PM
how am i not surprised.....

Silencio
Nov 21, 2007, 01:21 PM
Guess the Verizon Execs are NOT going to bonus this year :eek:

Of course the execs will get their bonuses! They'll just lay off a few thousand peons to make up the difference.

kuebby
Nov 21, 2007, 01:24 PM
dr_lha is exactly right, implementation is key. The Voyager may have TV tuning but it's certainly not widely available and only has a couple channels. I'd choose a dedicated, custom Youtube program over it any day. And the internet browser is not "the internet" mobile it's mobile internet, which is a totally different ballpark. Lastly, the size. When I was looking for my last phone I chose the Q over Verizon's other smartphones (mainly Treos) because the Q is so much smaller, just as the iPhone is much smaller than this beast.

cloudnine
Nov 21, 2007, 01:29 PM
I have to say, though, that my heart sinks a little when I read about a phone that has GPS... *sigh* How nice would it be to have GPS incorporated with Google Maps on the iPhone? *drool*

Rojo
Nov 21, 2007, 01:48 PM
I have to say, though, that my heart sinks a little when I read about a phone that has GPS... *sigh* How nice would it be to have GPS incorporated with Google Maps on the iPhone? *drool*

Makes me wonder -- with 3G and GPS, what's the battery life on this sucker?

elppa
Nov 21, 2007, 01:56 PM
Oh dear, who would have thought it…?

I think anything labelled as an iPhone killer is never going to “kill” the iPhone. The device has to stand on its own merits.

If you want a phone to play feature list battleships with then it might be useful, but if you want a phone that not only works well but is a pleasure to use, well…

Apple made such an intelligent keyboard that when typing it adjusts the target area for each letter based on the probability you are going to type it next to complete the word. Meanwhile, in LG land:


One big problem with the game controller is that it's positioned too close to the "end" key. So if you miss the up button by a couple millimeters, the game is over. And that applies to other programs like the browser and messages.

peiffman1
Nov 21, 2007, 02:51 PM
This thing is just as ugly as my original impression of it. It looks huge. And their comparison shot to the Dr. Pepper can makes it look even bigger.

Also: It has a Software keyboard and a Hardware keyboard???? What a waste of physical space including the hardware keyboard, which look horrible. They should have just stuck with the software keyboard which looks much better... maybe their algorithms make it unusable.

GregA
Nov 21, 2007, 02:55 PM
Just like all of Apple's competitors, this misses out of one vital thing that Apple knows: Implementation is just as important as features, if not more so.
Yes.
Or put another way - absolute simplicity becomes a 'feature'.

It may do more, but if it frustrates me to use it, I can do without the features. I'll take a pleasant experience over an unpleasant one any day.

The very first comments after the iPhone came out, by execs coming up with alternatives, were that they had a phone that could do all the iPhone did AND MORE (then reeling off a list of features ignoring simplicity). What was stupid was that they knew the simplicity was key, and wanted to learn from iPhone's success, yet threw that out the moment they started talking about their phones.

Doubly stupid - they should have realised that their existing products already did more than the iPhone did (feature wise)

HOPEFULLY they were aware of both, but were trying to put a good spin on their products... but I doubt it.

Kind of reminds me of when I was applying for an interface design job 10 years ago... multiple people from different companies would say to me "Ease of use is critical, but we don't need someone specialised on it, we'll just tell the programmers to make it easy to use."

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 21, 2007, 03:32 PM
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if you have to name something "the iPhone killer" just to get a little buzz then you already know it won't be nearly as good ....it was an ok try verizon

erandall38
Nov 21, 2007, 03:38 PM
Makes me wonder -- with 3G and GPS, what's the battery life on this sucker?

It is 4 hours usage time..... wow that blows. Think about that.

Every company post phone usage times that never seem to match your phone. So they say usage time is 4 hours so really you will get 3 1/2 if your lucky? Now imagine using it on 3G and GPS and with internet and videos.....

TitoC
Nov 21, 2007, 03:42 PM
Just like all of Apple's competitors, this misses out of one vital thing that Apple knows: Implementation is just as important as features, if not more so. You can forgive the iPhones lacking features because what it has works so beautifully and is a joy to use. Almost every other phone on the market may have every features thrown in, but they are a pain in the ass to use.

EXACTLY! Every time I show a friend who has another phone or smartphone, they always love touting how theirs "does more, has more features, etc., etc." But as I say "Cool, show me," I get a variety of responses, which are ususally one of the following:

"Yeah, I don't have (insert feature here) right now. But if I wanted it, I could." So, it's such a "cool" feature, but not enough to warrant getting it. Hmmm . . .

OR

They can't seem to find where that "special" feature" lives, because it's buried 12 menus deep.

As someone who lives, breathes and works as a designer (and sometimes yes, as an interface designer for some clients) it killed me every time I would try out a cell phone or ANY phone out there. And believe me, I tried out over 18 different kinds before giving up on them. They all sucked. Their users manual also sucked. Then using them was even worse. Couldn't find a lot of "features" or worse - one phone had me go through 8 menu selections just to change my ringtone volume. Jeeez! I didn't have a cell phone for over 2 years because of how bad they were.

Being able to get to a "feature" or anything else for that matter on any device, computer or electronics should be something intuitive, fluid, simple and even graceful to the end user. This not only makes using said device enjoyable, but also makes using the device next time not something that makes you want to curse the Seven Hills of Mary every time.

It comes down to simplicity, ease of use, art, good design and actually something that makes you WANT to use the damn thing. Even if you don't need to. You want to. These are the fundamental flaws that all of these Iphone Killer companies don't understand and probably never will until they actually hire interface designers. Real interface designers. This, as opposed to people making cute little folder icons ("Don't worry, we'll get the engineers to actually design the interface, you just worry about those cute little icons) who get labeled as interface designers by these companies.

Sometimes it's not always what you have, but how well you use what you got.

Being Bloated is not sexy. Being Smart is.

GregA
Nov 21, 2007, 04:09 PM
It is 4 hours usage time..... wow that blows. Think about that..

Sticking with 2G was very smart of Apple. They were able to make a high featured phone that was smaller and had longer battery life than their competitors. Of course the downside is slower data, but I think the tradeoff gave them a slick and attractive phone.

Compare a random sample of 2G and 3G phones (from the same manufacturer) for an idea of how much bigger an iPhone would need to be to have 3G today. It's quite significant.

For GPS - Nokia recently released a cheaper phone (3G) with GPS in it (in addition to their expensive N95). It's probably 50% thicker (5mm) than their regular 3G phones which are otherwise identical. While I'm not sure if that's indicative, there is certainly some extra size required for GPS too.

Of course, in time all these things become smaller and smaller.

There's a 3rd party iPhone app which checks local cell tower IDs and wireless hotspots against an online database, to find out approximately where you are. In Australia, any Telstra phone can sms a blank message to a Telstra service, and it gives back your street address approximated from multiple cell towers (it works great if you have cell towers on all sides of you, and perfect in the city). An accelerometer can tell if it's in a car and has taken a sharp left or right. I wonder whether Apple is looking at a GPS alternative, or just GPS.

j5045096
Nov 21, 2007, 04:11 PM
brilliantly said - so true about features that are "available" but how people don't seem to have them. i have verizon and so obviously no iphone...mac user but no iphone but i think it's a darn cool phone for sure.

this lg voyager--all it is is the next in the EnV series from LG. If any of you have used an EnV before it's a piece of junk. Adding a touch screen on the outside isn't going to change it - it just adds a nice looking mask.

I have Verizon because the network is good. The calls sound great and text messaging works really really well. Other than that I won't vouch for anything they do, nor would I vouch for at&t. honestly, if the ipod touch gets VOIP enabled, I'm ditching cellular altogether.

the only thing the iphone has going for it to lure me is that it's apple and syncs with my itunes, ical and all the other good stuff. at&t's network stinks; i don't want 2 years of slavery with a new slavemaster.

that said, nice try lg & verizon. it's like these little acer laptops that they made in white to try and look as cool as an ibook or macbook. ...no functionality=no sale and that's exactly what this lg is.

imagineer2000
Nov 21, 2007, 04:46 PM
When I first saw Steve Jobs demonstrate the Safari browser and I could see the real World-Wide-Web on a fully portable device - that alone sold me for the price (and I paid the early adopter premium). I've tried to use the browser on my company Blackberry and it is just unusable. Many websites would not even load. My iPhone web experience has been a revelation-if I wonder about something, I just pull out my phone and Google it while it is fresh in my mind. Compared to the current mobile crop, the iPhone web is nothing short of a revolutionary experience.

jayducharme
Nov 21, 2007, 05:14 PM
And so another manufacturer shamelessly rips Apple's icons and look.

I was wondering about this. Anyone think Apple has their legal department looking into the LG? The virtual keyboard, the menu screen, the round-edge device rimmed with silver...it's all an obvious rip-off of the iPhone. Instead of "Slide to Unlock," the LG reads, "Press to Unlock." The similarities seems a bit too blatant. At least we know who the innovators really are.:)

I thought this quote from the PC article was peculiar:

You can store files in the whopping 183MB of available internal memory

Sarcasm? This seems like an absurd statement when people are complaining about the 8gb available on the iPhone.

puckhead193
Nov 21, 2007, 07:54 PM
i was at verizon today and played with one for a few minutes. its def. not an iphone killer at all. I rather get the pearl that is cheaper and is better all around and screw the touch screen. instead of scrolling using the 4 way button on phones you touch what you want... big whoop....

iTeen
Nov 21, 2007, 08:12 PM
well i must say that this phone is no "iphone killer". i am going to buy it however due to the lack of AT&T coverage...:D

stagfish
Nov 21, 2007, 09:44 PM
that is why im leaving verizon , that phone is a joke... why do they have to have the lame verizon gui.... ill have a iphone by christmas!!

zflauaus
Nov 21, 2007, 10:18 PM
This is really starting to get on my nerves real bad. I love Apple. Why do you think I have two Macs with Applecare each, two iPods, an Apple wireless keyboard, and had my sister get an iPod mini? Also, I'm dedicated to Apple as I always drive to their retail store (75+ miles away) whenever I want to buy something significant. I would love to have an iPhone... If it wasn't on AT&T. And I hate defending Verizon, but...

First of all, there is a piece of false information in the article written by Arn. The browser is not Openwave, as it supports full HTML. I forgot who makes the browser, but it is NOT Openwave.

Second of all, why wouldn't Verizon put 3G in their phone? It's almost abundant in most cities. Hell, rural Southern Illinois went live earlier this month. I live in a town of 3200 and we have EVDO. EVDO does not suck that much battery life. And 4 hours of usage as mentioned by erandall38, that would be talk time. Possibly a little less if browsing the web/VCAST, but more if you are using it as a music player or text messaging. Even picture taking. You have to take note that most of the time, the lowest amount of battery life mentioned in a review is usually the talk time.

The Voyager is as close to the iPhone as I will get unless AT&T decides to move off their chair and buy some spectrum up in my county. That said, I will not buy it. I will be getting the Pearl instead because it has the features I want.

Yes, I agree, Verizon had no reason to call it the iPhone Killer as they knew they couldn't compete at all. But for those who have only Verizon coverage or no AT&T coverage in the area (or are biased against them) this is a great alternative.

I know I'm going to be flamed, but honestly. Think different. That's what Apple did.

jonnylink
Nov 21, 2007, 10:55 PM
Of course it disappoints, the folks complaining about the iPhone being closed off don't seem to realize that Verizon's phones are crippled and closed off in far worse ways. And that is without considering how much they just suck in other ways. That doesn't mean that I'm happy with the Apple's vision of the iPhone, or that I will switch from Verizon to AT&T, nor does it mean I'll pay big bucks for this second-rate "iPhone."

The "Insert-Your-Item-Here Killer" headline is just a lame grab for reads, it seems like every month since CNet admitted (grudgingly) that the iPod was great they've declared a new iPod killer. Now we'll see the iPhone get the same attention.

iTeen
Nov 21, 2007, 10:58 PM
This is really starting to get on my nerves real bad. I love Apple. Why do you think I have two Macs with Applecare each, two iPods, an Apple wireless keyboard, and had my sister get an iPod mini? Also, I'm dedicated to Apple as I always drive to their retail store (75+ miles away) whenever I want to buy something significant. I would love to have an iPhone... If it wasn't on AT&T. And I hate defending Verizon, but...

First of all, there is a piece of false information in the article written by Arn. The browser is not Openwave, as it supports full HTML. I forgot who makes the browser, but it is NOT Openwave.

Second of all, why wouldn't Verizon put 3G in their phone? It's almost abundant in most cities. Hell, rural Southern Illinois went live earlier this month. I live in a town of 3200 and we have EVDO. EVDO does not suck that much battery life. And 4 hours of usage as mentioned by erandall38, that would be talk time. Possibly a little less if browsing the web/VCAST, but more if you are using it as a music player or text messaging. Even picture taking. You have to take note that most of the time, the lowest amount of battery life mentioned in a review is usually the talk time.

The Voyager is as close to the iPhone as I will get unless AT&T decides to move off their chair and buy some spectrum up in my county. That said, I will not buy it. I will be getting the Pearl instead because it has the features I want.

Yes, I agree, Verizon had no reason to call it the iPhone Killer as they knew they couldn't compete at all. But for those who have only Verizon coverage or no AT&T coverage in the area (or are biased against them) this is a great alternative.

I know I'm going to be flamed, but honestly. Think different. That's what Apple did.
I agree with you 100%.:)Right on

aaronw1986
Nov 22, 2007, 02:20 AM
I was playing around with the Voyager today...seemed pretty bulky to me. Not sure I'd want to haul that around coming from a razor... I thought the smaller sibling, the Venus was pretty cool though. Maybe I'll get that. I don't txt much, plus have my MBP most of the time, so I think the Venus would suffice.

Sheradon
Nov 22, 2007, 05:50 AM
I have to say, though, that my heart sinks a little when I read about a phone that has GPS... *sigh* How nice would it be to have GPS incorporated with Google Maps on the iPhone? *drool*

Batterie life would be horrible, meabe on the next gen or 3rd... who knows.

But we can always dream....

Sher

PS: this Voyager is very an bad and ugly copy of the Iphone, yack !

slicecom
Nov 22, 2007, 09:00 AM
LG is stupid for blatantly ripping off the iPhone. This is the problem all iPod and now iPhone "killers" seem to make. They all copy Apple's version and do a worse job at everything, then throw in some features Apple's product doesn't have, and expect it to kill the iPod/iPhone. You will NEVER be able to beat Apple at its own game, they're simply the best. If you want to kill the iPhone, come up with a design and interface that is just as, if not more original and intuitive than Apples'! Nobody will want this phone as it's clearly just an iPhone knockoff, people will want the real thing! It never ceases to amaze me how naive these companies are.

synth3tik
Nov 22, 2007, 09:59 AM
It's made by LG, what did people really expect. I mean sure the company has come out with nice things, just never anything that has any wow factor.

maestro55
Nov 22, 2007, 01:09 PM
I am 100% open to competition in the market, but yes this phone is not going to kill the iPhone. Hopefully by March we will have the iPhone 2 and even if phones from other competitors start to look and feel more like the iPhone we all know the iPhone 2 is going to blow them out of the water.

megfilmworks
Nov 22, 2007, 02:51 PM
Thank you Verizon for insuring that many more customers will make the switch from a d-rated under designed mess to the iPhone.:)

gerardrj
Nov 22, 2007, 02:52 PM
I have to say, though, that my heart sinks a little when I read about a phone that has GPS... *sigh* How nice would it be to have GPS incorporated with Google Maps on the iPhone? *drool*

I've had a phone with GPS in it (Nextel i860). The GPS was horrendously inaccurate for driving directions. Sitting at a stop light the thing would "move" me as much as several hundred feet on the map. The voice driving directions would constantly tell me to turn at the wrong time and, while not the phone's fault, would loop me around my destination to be sure the system had enough time to tell me the next turn.
For all of those flaws I also got a phone that would run for about 4 hours in GPS mode since all that satellite tracking, Java running and internet downloading was really intensive.

I've use my iPhone for navigation almost every day. Granted I don't usually need turn by turn directions, just a close-up of the last mile in most cases.

Navizon.com does make locating yourself easier/faster on the iPhone and it's good enough for what I need to do.

For those in large metro areas with real mass transit systems (not Phoenix, AZ as I am), you might also want to look at hopstop.com. It will get you around the larger international cities via bus, train, subway with walking directions to and from the terminal stops. I LOVED this site when I was visiting NY.

j5045096
Nov 22, 2007, 09:22 PM
I had a Nextel i860 as well - same experience - it was ROUGH for gps...course, it was rough for about anything but that's Nextel for you. I do have Verizon and my phone (LG 8600) is really good for GPS...at least it's the best working GPS I've had on a phone so far.

BUT

This is the thing about the Voyager...the reason people like the iPhone so much and the reason it's been successful, aside from features, is that Apple makes products that last longer, hands down. I became a Mac user several months ago - now we have a MacBook and an iBook in the house and will never go back to a Windows world. BUT, for years when we were using Windows and buying new computers every year and a half to two years, we were always hearing people say that the way Macs worked you would get 3-4 years out of one. I now see why this is. My Verizon phone--I'll get a year out of it and that will be pushing it. ...it's just like a Windows computer--it's piece of junk hardware not worth keeping for the long haul. They cut corners on little things; software, hardware, design etc. Apple's products just feel nicer--they don't feel cheap. The iPhone doesn't feel cheap--it's solid in your hands, upgradeable, nice looking etc. My LG phone--I throw it around--it's insured; the heck do I care if it breaks--I take it in and I get a new one. To me it's not worth dimes. The only thing I like about my cheap phone is that it's on Verizon and the service simply works good. If Verizon had the iPhone I'd have two of them.

So, long and short--there will be no iPhone killer because in the world of computers and cell phones, there's Apple and Windows (in my opinion, if a phone plays media and the media it plays includes windows media audio and video and if it syncs only with windows like 99.9% of cell phones do, then it's a windows phone) and Apple seems to be the only one making hardware worth keeping and using.

I laughed at the Voyager--it's a glorified EnV--total piece of junk.

Wish I had an iPhone, but wish Verizon sold it even more.

inkswamp
Nov 22, 2007, 09:50 PM
You know what's amazing to me? The fact that the iPhone has, in five months or so, asserted itself as the yardstick by which all other phones are measured. (The iPod didn't achieve that status amongst music players for at least a year or so after its introduction.) The fact that phone makers appear to be trying to produce an iPhone killer is a giveaway that Apple's competition is taking them very seriously even if the public statements from their execs sound dismissive. And the way tech publications approach new phones from the perspective of its "iPhone-ness" must be a nonstop source of irritation for those companies who have been making phones all these years. Whether you're a fan of the iPhone or not, you have to admit that's a pretty amazing feat for Apple, especially given the fact that they're so new to the market.

somberlaine
Nov 22, 2007, 09:57 PM
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let's not forget the iPhone's stunning display.

ImNoSuperMan
Nov 22, 2007, 10:15 PM
I am 100% open to competition in the market, but yes this phone is not going to kill the iPhone. Hopefully by March we will have the iPhone 2 and even if phones from other competitors start to look and feel more like the iPhone we all know the iPhone 2 is going to blow them out of the water.

I wont really get my hopes up for iPhone 2. At most it`ll have 3G,GPS and more memory. Which are all nice but not really ground breaking. More of evolutionary than revolutionary like the current iPhone.

louelou21
Nov 22, 2007, 11:24 PM
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zippywinds
Nov 22, 2007, 11:25 PM
i bought the voyager and i love it, of course i wish i could have gotten the iphone I'm a mac addict. but i live in the new england area and at&t aka cingular reception is lousy, where as verizon reception is far superior , as well as customer service, I'm a visiting nurse and i can not afford dropped calls,

i love the web browser , so i can look up medical info if need be, also verizon provides insurance on their phones (similar to apple care) at&t/iphone doesn't offer that, so i am protected if my mobile gets lost, stolen, or broken.
and also verizon gives a person 30 days test drive the phone.

but so far i love it , certainly has alot of bells and whistles on it.
i love LG mobiles, the mobile i had before i got the voyager was an LG and had it for 3 years and nothing went wrong with the mobile , except i needed a new battery,

they are selling well here in the boston area, i bought the last one at the verizon store where i shopped, the people that could not get them at store were ordering them to be shipped to them.

all I can say apples flaw with the iphone is going with at&t as their sole provider,

louelou21
Nov 22, 2007, 11:29 PM
that is why im leaving verizon , that phone is a joke... why do they have to have the lame verizon gui.... ill have a iphone by christmas!!

i 2nd u on that. i just upgraded to a new two year contract at verizon but i will be returning the phone and going back to my old two year contract (which would have been up the first week in january) and i am leaving verizon and picking up an iphone instead of this voyager crap

aaronw1986
Nov 22, 2007, 11:37 PM
i 2nd u on that. i just upgraded to a new two year contract at verizon but i will be returning the phone and going back to my old two year contract (which would have been up the first week in january) and i am leaving verizon and picking up an iphone instead of this voyager crap

Exactly how are you planning on going back to the old plan if you just re-signed? I smell a early termination fee coming your way.

SiliconAddict
Nov 23, 2007, 08:35 AM
Huh? Its not an iPhone so I don't see how it could disappoint? Well other then the fact that its handled by the second crappiest carrier in the US.

brewcitywi
Nov 23, 2007, 12:43 PM
I'm not psychic.

But, I still think that many segments of the market could benefit from making their user experience as friendly as apple has. Products such as digital cameras, tv's, VCR's (still!), computers, software, video games, cell phones--all have room at the top of the category for breakout products like the iPhone.

Why can't manufacturers see this trend and respond?

Are we all so dependent on foreign programmers that we can't translate all the data into a great user experience?

Instead of the iPhone killer...make a digital camera that you don't have to refer to the 75 page multi-lingual user's guide to figure out how to turn on "manual focus."

Come on...

michaelsviews
Nov 23, 2007, 12:46 PM
Exactly how are you planning on going back to the old plan if you just re-signed? I smell a early termination fee coming your way.

There is a 30 day period that you can go back to the old contract. A trial period if you will. AT&T has the same

erandall38
Nov 23, 2007, 02:39 PM
Second of all, why wouldn't Verizon put 3G in their phone? It's almost abundant in most cities. Hell, rural Southern Illinois went live earlier this month. I live in a town of 3200 and we have EVDO. EVDO does not suck that much battery life. And 4 hours of usage as mentioned by erandall38, that would be talk time. Possibly a little less if browsing the web/VCAST, but more if you are using it as a music player or text messaging. Even picture taking. You have to take note that most of the time, the lowest amount of battery life mentioned in a review is usually the talk time.




Well the iPhone is stated as 8. So according to your model. It is 8 hours talk time (which is correct and expected.)
- The iPhone will get more if you are just using it as a music player... much much more
- EVDO might take up less than 3G but if with a battery that only holds 4 hours talk time you do not have much time to spare- and lots of people would be using 3G.
- keep in mind almost all phone providers state that their battery is one level but in real world situation its not.

The point of the thread is "Voyager, the iPhone killer". So really it is irrelevant what internet provider you are using... it comes no where close to killing the iPhone.
If you non-stop used the internet on the iPhone its battery would last longer than if you non-stop talked on the voyager....

bobdgil
Nov 24, 2007, 10:51 PM
Where is the outrage over how much this thing costs? The device itself costs like $50 less than the iPhone (yes, Ballmer, fully subsidized with a 2 year plan). Then, a regular plan, without any texts or data and only 450 minutes is $60 (For a regular phone plan, that's absurd!) To get unlimited data it costs at least an additional $15 a month. It costs and extra $10 above that to get such features as TV. Now, if you happen to be made of money, this might not be a problem, but then why don't you just get both an iPhone and a Voyager? Heck, why don't you buy me an iPhone while you're at it?

winterspan
Nov 24, 2007, 11:36 PM
Batterie life would be horrible, meabe on the next gen or 3rd... who knows.

But we can always dream....

Sher

PS: this Voyager is very an bad and ugly copy of the Iphone, yack !

Actually, you would have no idea about the battery life until we see the implementation. The new model SiRF Star chips are amazingly power efficient compared to their ancestors. And besides, at least for most use cases, the GPS is not going to be used for hours at a time.

People always bring up how 'smart' Apple was to keep the iPhone EDGE only. I partially agree, however, what drives me crazy is the endless barrage of blanket statements about 3G/UMTS battery life. And actually, in most cases (at least on Cnet.com), the tested battery life comes out on top of the manufacturer's specs.

Just to remind some people:


LG VX9800 5.5 hours (tested) evdo
Motorola Slvr L7c 5.0 hours (tested) evdo
Palm Treo 700wx 5.8 hours (tested) evdo
RIM BlackBerry 8703e 5.2 hours (tested) evdo
Sony Ericsson W850i 7 hours (tested) UMTS
AT&T 8525 6.0 hours (tested) UMTS/HSDPA
Helio Ocean 5.0 hours (tested) EVDO
HTC Mogul PPC-6800 6.5 hours (tested) EVDO

Also, remember how Apple's/partner's engineers keep improving the battery life of the Ipod... I'm sure Apple could easily make 3G work in the iPhone, but they wanted a differentiation point (in addition to GPS) for model 2.
I love the iPhone, but I'm not going to endlessly defend Apple over this or anything else.

erandall38
Nov 25, 2007, 03:12 PM
Actually, you would have no idea about the battery life until we see the implementation. The new model SiRF Star chips are amazingly power efficient compared to their ancestors. And besides, at least for most use cases, the GPS is not going to be used for hours at a time.

People always bring up how 'smart' Apple was to keep the iPhone EDGE only. I partially agree, however, what drives me crazy is the endless barrage of blanket statements about 3G/UMTS battery life. And actually, in most cases (at least on Cnet.com), the tested battery life comes out on top of the manufacturer's specs.

Just to remind some people:


LG VX9800 5.5 hours (tested) evdo
Motorola Slvr L7c 5.0 hours (tested) evdo
Palm Treo 700wx 5.8 hours (tested) evdo
RIM BlackBerry 8703e 5.2 hours (tested) evdo
Sony Ericsson W850i 7 hours (tested) UMTS
AT&T 8525 6.0 hours (tested) UMTS/HSDPA
Helio Ocean 5.0 hours (tested) EVDO
HTC Mogul PPC-6800 6.5 hours (tested) EVDO

Also, remember how Apple's/partner's engineers keep improving the battery life of the Ipod... I'm sure Apple could easily make 3G work in the iPhone, but they wanted a differentiation point (in addition to GPS) for model 2.
I love the iPhone, but I'm not going to endlessly defend Apple over this or anything else.

Where ever you go those stats, did they have anything on the iPhone? I would be interested to know the actual battery life.
Do you have a link... I am a little confused, just looking at the first one (LG VX9800 you said it gets 5.5 hours of battery life... I am guessing that means 5 hours of usage? On verizons website it says it gets 3.75 hours of talk time... I cant see them understating their usage that much. Yes talk time might be less than usage but by how much. Usage includes internet etc etc.

edit: and regarding the voyager.. look at the screen size that sucks up a lot more batter then the little flip phones. Not sure how many on there are flip phones but the first one is.

Zwhaler
Nov 25, 2007, 03:25 PM
I want the Voyager, but because it doesn't work with the Mac I wont be getting it. Nice job, verizon :rolleyes:

erandall38
Nov 25, 2007, 03:40 PM
Where is the outrage over how much this thing costs? The device itself costs like $50 less than the iPhone (yes, Ballmer, fully subsidized with a 2 year plan). Then, a regular plan, without any texts or data and only 450 minutes is $60 (For a regular phone plan, that's absurd!) To get unlimited data it costs at least an additional $15 a month. It costs and extra $10 above that to get such features as TV. Now, if you happen to be made of money, this might not be a problem, but then why don't you just get both an iPhone and a Voyager? Heck, why don't you buy me an iPhone while you're at it?

Actually if you put in 8GB of memory to match the iPhone capacity it is $70 more expensive then the iPhone.

Where did you get the plan rates. I went to verizon and it was $40 for the plan only then 15 for the interenet (lower package with no tv) and 15 for unlimited IN messaging and 500 extra ( the closest I could get to my package of unlimited data 200 messages and unlimited IN messages)

So the total monthly came out to be $65/month with out the use of all the VCAST features like TV. This is equal in price to my iPhone plan that has unlimited IN messaging and 200 whenever messaging.

Now the cost of the phone is $350 dollars then plus the $170 dollars(check your local verizon store) for the 8 GB memory to match the iPhones memory capacity and you come out to $470 compared to the iPhone price of $400.

So from my understanding you are paying for money for a phone with half the batter life capacity which will be even more effected at times of using the 3G, a smaller screen with lower pixels, no real multi-touch or even touch screen for that matter, bigger in size, and a crippled browser?

Also from what I have been told you have to pay $5/month extra to get the mobile email but when I was looking it seems like it came with it, any one have any details on that?

aaronw1986
Nov 25, 2007, 06:35 PM
Actually if you put in 8GB of memory to match the iPhone capacity it is $70 more expensive then the iPhone.

Where did you get the plan rates. I went to verizon and it was $40 for the plan only then 15 for the interenet (lower package with no tv) and 15 for unlimited IN messaging and 500 extra ( the closest I could get to my package of unlimited data 200 messages and unlimited IN messages)

So the total monthly came out to be $65/month with out the use of all the VCAST features like TV. This is equal in price to my iPhone plan that has unlimited IN messaging and 200 whenever messaging.

Now the cost of the phone is $350 dollars then plus the $170 dollars(check your local verizon store) for the 8 GB memory to match the iPhones memory capacity and you come out to $470 compared to the iPhone price of $400.

So from my understanding you are paying for money for a phone with half the batter life capacity which will be even more effected at times of using the 3G, a smaller screen with lower pixels, no real multi-touch or even touch screen for that matter, bigger in size, and a crippled browser?

Also from what I have been told you have to pay $5/month extra to get the mobile email but when I was looking it seems like it came with it, any one have any details on that?

How does the Voyager not have a touch screen?

bobdgil
Nov 25, 2007, 06:37 PM
Actually if you put in 8GB of memory to match the iPhone capacity it is $70 more expensive then the iPhone.

Where did you get the plan rates. I went to verizon and it was $40 for the plan only then 15 for the interenet (lower package with no tv) and 15 for unlimited IN messaging and 500 extra ( the closest I could get to my package of unlimited data 200 messages and unlimited IN messages)
So the total monthly came out to be $65/month with out the use of all the VCAST features like TV. This is equal in price to my iPhone plan that has unlimited IN messaging and 200 whenever messaging.

You're right. For some reason I was looking at the select price (unlimited texts). Good point on the memory though.

gothamm
Nov 25, 2007, 08:09 PM
I was playing around with my friend's voyager just yesterday. He said he was disappointed in it. i played around with it for about 5 mins or so. and let me tell you. ITS A VERIZON EN-V WITH A TOUCHSCREEN. that is all. the OS is virtually the same. nothing special. But I will admit that it is the best phone on verizon.

Its a good phone but people just hyped it up and now it has to live up to all these high expectations people have imposed on it, which i think is unfair. if you look at it from an ubiased perspective and stop comparing it to the iphone, then it is an excellent phone.

erandall38
Nov 25, 2007, 08:44 PM
How does the Voyager not have a touch screen?
it does not have multi-touch and from what I understand the browser(which is not even a full browser) can not be used by touch only but instead u have to use the wheel or nub to use it to its full potential, whatever that is.



Its a good phone but people just hyped it up and now it has to live up to all these high expectations people have imposed on it, which i think is unfair. if you look at it from an ubiased perspective and stop comparing it to the iphone, then it is an excellent phone.

your right in saying that but the big picture is that Apple is forcing new phones on the market and new expectations from consumers, it is changing the cell phone market just like it changed the MP3 market. But again people so far have not been able to match it let alone "kill it". But the thread is regarding the voyager "killing" the iPhone, so in this case it needs to be compared to the iPhone and in that case in many instances it is inferior.
Now if u start a voyager only thread and asked how it compares to the other cell phones and if it has made a step forward it would be unfair to say no because it is not like the iPhone. In that situation i think many could say it has taken a step forward but not as much as the iPhone.

iPegboy
Nov 26, 2007, 11:46 AM
I played with one over the weekend, and was left fairly unimpressed. i had trouble nagivating from feature to feature, something that I never had with the iPhone (own neither, but my sprint contract is up in April).

Re: GPS -- I got a chance to play with Garmin's GPS software product over the weekend as well, and that was really good. It's $99 if your phone is GPS enabled, and there's only a monthly charge if you have a Blackberry (as explained to me). But pretty cool if you have the new AT&T Tilt or something.

alexbo
Nov 26, 2007, 04:43 PM
There will never be an iphone killer that has a screen this large in such a small package, except for the iphone 2, which wont be released for a very long time. Every single one attemted so far is either hugely thicker, has half the screen resolution, or in most cases, both...

Those are the iPhones real strengths... I don't even care about 3g, or gps. I've used 3g on an at&t blackjack, and it was hardly noticeable how much faster it was. I care about making the iPhone even smaller, with like 98% of the face real estate devoted to the screen, as opposed to the current ~85% (which, as I just said, is already the best feature the phone has). They can throw in other incremental feature updates like memory, 3g, gps if they want, but if they come at the expense of size it wont be worth it. What i really want is a phone that is even more efficient space-wise. Is it the Voyager? Hahahaha, right...

erandall38
Nov 26, 2007, 07:27 PM
There will never be an iphone killer that has a screen this large in such a small package, except for the iphone 2, which wont be released for a very long time. Every single one attemted so far is either hugely thicker, has half the screen resolution, or in most cases, both...

Those are the iPhones real strengths... I don't even care about 3g, or gps. I've used 3g on an at&t blackjack, and it was hardly noticeable how much faster it was. I care about making the iPhone even smaller, with like 98% of the face real estate devoted to the screen, as opposed to the current ~85% (which, as I just said, is already the best feature the phone has). They can throw in other incremental feature updates like memory, 3g, gps if they want, but if they come at the expense of size it wont be worth it. What i really want is a phone that is even more efficient space-wise. Is it the Voyager? Hahahaha, right...

I was explaining this possibility to my girlfriend and brothers the other day or at least something like it.
I was thinking one upgrade I would like to see for V2 is to basically have the screen the same size but have the upper and lower portions be much smaller in size. Is that kind of what you were talking about?
Your right in the idea that size is very important and I think Apple is smart enough to keep that in mind. and battery is just as important.

j5045096
Nov 27, 2007, 08:14 PM
I was playing around with my friend's voyager just yesterday. He said he was disappointed in it. i played around with it for about 5 mins or so. and let me tell you. ITS A VERIZON EN-V WITH A TOUCHSCREEN. that is all. the OS is virtually the same. nothing special. But I will admit that it is the best phone on verizon.

Its a good phone but people just hyped it up and now it has to live up to all these high expectations people have imposed on it, which i think is unfair. if you look at it from an ubiased perspective and stop comparing it to the iphone, then it is an excellent phone.

Totally agree--I've been saying this all along. EN-V with a touch screen--a repackaging of something else. Here's the thing--the iPhone is out of any league in phone comparisons just like Mac's are on a different level in computing--they're more fun, more innovative, more intuitive, more attractive. The feature sets on most of these phones are the same, but users these days want an experience, not just functionality. In my opinion, the only phone worth buying on AT&T is the iPhone. On Verizon there's a few phones I'd be interested in--that Samsung with the flip up keyboard (740 is it?) the LG 9400 with TV service -- even the new Motorola Razr 9x - these are cool, fun phones that bring an experience, not just functionality. They are nowhere near the iPhone, but I think AT&T is getting a lot of undeserved credit around here--the rest of their phones are at best mediocre--Apple may have saved AT&T from losing tons of customers to Verizon. Verizon for not taking the iPhone=boneheads--if for no other reason just to keep it from AT&T. Things that make you go hmmmm....

shamino
Nov 30, 2007, 03:08 PM
Makes me wonder -- with 3G and GPS, what's the battery life on this sucker?
It could be anything, depending on the size of the battery. My RAZR V3c got about 3 hours talk time on the standard 740mAh battery (extra-thin, to make the case look nice.) The extended battery is 1480mAh - twice the capacity, but it makes the phone about 25% thicker (it comes with a replacement battery cover, to make room.)

The Voyager is a relatively large device, so they may be able to include a similarly large battery in the standard configuration. Assuming, of course, that keyboard doesn't use up all available space. ...
It is 4 hours usage time..... wow that blows. Think about that.
... Looking more closely, the Voyager standard battery is 950mAh. About 30% larger than the standard RAZR battery, and you've got about 30% longer talk time. So that sounds about right. Its optional extended battery is 1500mAh - about 50% larger. I'd expect about 6 hours talk time with that installed.
LG is stupid for blatantly ripping off the iPhone. This is the problem all iPod and now iPhone "killers" seem to make.
The problem is that they don't copy anything. They vaguely copy the look, so magazine photos look similar, but the similarity ends there. They forget that half of "look and feel" is "feel".

The Voyager is not multi-touch. The screen physical capabilities are the same as any other touch screen - touch, drag and maybe a double-click behavior. That's not innovative. PalmOS did that over 10 years ago. It doesn't have any of the iPhone's PDA capabilities, and there is no Wi-Fi connectivity.

In other words, it's a generic phone, not much different from anything else sold today. Not only inferior to an iPhone, but inferior to a Treo, Blackberry, Q or any other smartphone. Putting a generic phone into a case that looks vaguely iPhone-ish isn't going to impress anybody once they put down the newspaper advertisement and actually look at the phone.
LG VX9800 5.5 hours (tested) evdo
Motorola Slvr L7c 5.0 hours (tested) evdo
Palm Treo 700wx 5.8 hours (tested) evdo
RIM BlackBerry 8703e 5.2 hours (tested) evdo
Sony Ericsson W850i 7 hours (tested) UMTS
AT&T 8525 6.0 hours (tested) UMTS/HSDPA
Helio Ocean 5.0 hours (tested) EVDO
HTC Mogul PPC-6800 6.5 hours (tested) EVDO
These numbers don't say a thing about efficiency unless you also know the capacity of the battery. My 2-year-old RAZR (with EVDO) has comparable battery life when the optional 1480mAh battery is installed.

And, like with my RAZR, solving the talk-time problem with extra-large batteries ends up making the phone bulky, which can be a real problem if aesthetics is an important part of the design.

iTeen
Nov 30, 2007, 07:54 PM
price is $300, not $350.:eek:

iPodTouchRules
Nov 30, 2007, 09:03 PM
The voyager looks cool and everything, but they so copied off the Iphone except the text opening part thing.

Aperture
Nov 30, 2007, 10:06 PM
price is $300, not $350.:eek:

$299 online - $350 in store

princealfie
Dec 1, 2007, 04:52 AM
I may consider this item for my art studio.

iTeen
Dec 1, 2007, 01:36 PM
$299 online - $350 in storeok...that makes sence:)

Tracer
Dec 7, 2007, 08:11 AM
Who dubbed this thing the iPhone "killer"? Everyone who buys this thing is going to say, I should have bought an iPhone.

This phone is for people who would rather use some clone on the Verizon network than the real deal on AT&T.

As a Verizon user, I have no intention of buying this thing and am simply waiting for 3G to switch to the iPhone/AT&T.

Verizon has the best reception/service, but $5 a month for e-mail? An ancient browser? C'mon.

As for this being dubbed a multimedia device superior to the iPhone, all of my media would be a few clicks away from being on my iPhone.

Tracer

Asar
Dec 10, 2007, 10:00 AM
what a joke of a phone

grapes911
Dec 11, 2007, 02:43 PM
As a Voyager owner, I want to say that some of you have misconceptions about the device. I’ve been an Apple fan for years because of the simplicity and reliably of their hardware and software. Is the Voyager an “iPhone Killer?” No way. Is it a very good phone? Definitely. Here are my opinions on the two head-to-head.

I was a Cingular customer before they merged with AT&T and Cingular was a total mess in my local area (Philadelphia area). I had constant drops and terrible connections. When looking for a new service, I checked with Consumer Reports and they rate cell service by major city. For the Philadelphia area, Verizon was hands down the most highly rated service. After being a Verizon owner in this area, I could never imagine switching back. Not even an Apple product could make me switch.

The Voyager does work with OS X, but not nearly as nice as the iPhone. I can connect to the Voyager via Bluetooth and send/receive pictures and music. I cannot natively send/receive ringtones, contacts, or calendar appointments. But by exporting Address book contacts as vCards, I can send the contact to the Voyager. It is a push not a sync, but for me that is more than enough. BitPim allows me to sync contacts, ringtones, and calendar items, so all is not lost.

While WiFi is not an option, EVDO is awesome. A friend was bragging about the speed of his iPhone over my Voyager. Needless to say, I loaded 3 ESPN pages before he loaded the first one. After he connected to WiFi (with a FIOS connection), He loaded the 1.5 pages time while I only loaded the first one. Even without WiFi, on average my Voyager is faster than his iPhone. But remember, I said the AT&T connection is pretty bad around here.

A 5 second change using the QPST phone tools (I’m still not sure the legality of this), enabled DUN/tethering. I understand the iPhone can do this too, but I’ve never seen it in person. Either way, I go back to my point in that EVDO kicks butt and I’d much rather tether through Verizon than AT&T.

I’ve heard complaints about the Voyager being way too big. Honestly, even side-by-side with the iPhone, it doesn’t feel any bigger than the iPhone. It fits perfectly in my pocket or hand.

The Voyager virtual keyboard can’t keep up with the iPhone’s keyboard. But the Voyager’s internal keyboard is hands down better than the iPhone’s.

As a media device, the iPhone is way better for music and video. Unlike an iPhone, the Voyager could never replace my iPod. The only media thing the Voyager has over the iPhone is the MobileTV. I like it, but I can’t imagine using it much so I am planning on canceling it.

The Voyager’s full HTML and JavaScript browser has been excellent. It renders pages flawlessly except for ASP and ASP.NET pages which is routinely chokes on. The browser is not crippled in any way.

The battery is acceptable. I make a decent amount of calls each day and I’ve only had it a few weeks so I search the web a lot (novelty purposes mostly). I charge it every night and that has been more than sufficient. About two days would probably be the max I could go between charging.

The OS is fine. Could it be better? Of course, but I have no complaints in particular. Easy, logistical navigation from feature to feature.

I’m on a family plan, but my portion of the bill is 9.99 for minutes and $35 for data, email, and TV. After the rebate, NE2 discount, and tax, the phone cost me less than $300.

I think the big thing to remember here is that the iPhone is a PDA/phone/media player. The Voyager is a phone/media player. They obviously don't have the same features and one shouldn't expect them to.


I’m an Apple fan, and if it wasn’t a cell service provider thing I’d have an iPhone. I really don’t care which is better, because I’ve been an Apple fan all my life. I took a risk purchasing the Voyager because I wasn’t sure if I’d like it. Even before I ever saw an iPhone, I knew it would fit my needs just because it is an Apple. That being said, don’t write off the Voyager as a crappy, misfit, iPhone-copy. It really is a nice phone and I’d recommend it to anyone.

iTeen
Dec 11, 2007, 06:45 PM
As a Voyager owner, I want to say that some of you have misconceptions about the device. Iíve been an Apple fan for years because of the simplicity and reliably of their hardware and software. Is the Voyager an ďiPhone Killer?Ē No way. Is it a very good phone? Definitely. Here are my opinions on the two head-to-head.

I was a Cingular customer before they merged with AT&T and Cingular was a total mess in my local area (Philadelphia area). I had constant drops and terrible connections. When looking for a new service, I checked with Consumer Reports and they rate cell service by major city. For the Philadelphia area, Verizon was hands down the most highly rated service. After being a Verizon owner in this area, I could never imagine switching back. Not even an Apple product could make me switch.

The Voyager does work with OS X, but not nearly as nice as the iPhone. I can connect to the Voyager via Bluetooth and send/receive pictures and music. I cannot natively send/receive ringtones, contacts, or calendar appointments. But by exporting Address book contacts as vCards, I can send the contact to the Voyager. It is a push not a sync, but for me that is more than enough. BitPim allows me to sync contacts, ringtones, and calendar items, so all is not lost.

While WiFi is not an option, EVDO is awesome. A friend was bragging about the speed of his iPhone over my Voyager. Needless to say, I loaded 3 ESPN pages before he loaded the first one. After he connected to WiFi (with a FIOS connection), He loaded the 1.5 pages time while I only loaded the first one. Even without WiFi, on average my Voyager is faster than his iPhone. But remember, I said the AT&T connection is pretty bad around here.

A 5 second change using the QPST phone tools (Iím still not sure the legality of this), enabled DUN/tethering. I understand the iPhone can do this too, but Iíve never seen it in person. Either way, I go back to my point in that EVDO kicks butt and Iíd much rather tether through Verizon than AT&T.

Iíve heard complaints about the Voyager being way too big. Honestly, even side-by-side with the iPhone, it doesnít feel any bigger than the iPhone. It fits perfectly in my pocket or hand.

The Voyager virtual keyboard canít keep up with the iPhoneís keyboard. But the Voyagerís internal keyboard is hands down better than the iPhoneís.

As a media device, the iPhone is way better for music and video. Unlike an iPhone, the Voyager could never replace my iPod. The only media thing the Voyager has over the iPhone is the MobileTV. I like it, but I canít imagine using it much so I am planning on canceling it.

The Voyagerís full HTML and JavaScript browser has been excellent. It renders pages flawlessly except for ASP and ASP.NET pages which is routinely chokes on. The browser is not crippled in any way.

The battery is acceptable. I make a decent amount of calls each day and Iíve only had it a few weeks so I search the web a lot (novelty purposes mostly). I charge it every night and that has been more than sufficient. About two days would probably be the max I could go between charging.

The OS is fine. Could it be better? Of course, but I have no complaints in particular. Easy, logistical navigation from feature to feature.

Iím on a family plan, but my portion of the bill is 9.99 for minutes and $35 for data, email, and TV. After the rebate, NE2 discount, and tax, the phone cost me less than $300.

I think the big thing to remember here is that the iPhone is a PDA/phone/media player. The Voyager is a phone/media player. They obviously don't have the same features and one shouldn't expect them to.


Iím an Apple fan, and if it wasnít a cell service provider thing Iíd have an iPhone. I really donít care which is better, because Iíve been an Apple fan all my life. I took a risk purchasing the Voyager because I wasnít sure if Iíd like it. Even before I ever saw an iPhone, I knew it would fit my needs just because it is an Apple. That being said, donít write off the Voyager as a crappy, misfit, iPhone-copy. It really is a nice phone and Iíd recommend it to anyone.

very nice! i am going to buy this phone on friday. i am really looking forward to it.

ilanasaysrawr
Dec 11, 2007, 07:04 PM
My buddy Dana showed me her new Voyager. Nothing too special. iPhone totally owns it.