Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update

[MacRumors]

In your Mac OS X Software Update:


The 10.2.8 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: Audio, Bluetooth, Classic compatibility, Finder, Graphics, LDAP, Power Management, Safari, and FireWire and USB device compatibility.

The update also provides updated security services and includes the latest Security Updates.

For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website:

http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n25524

[tex210]

yay! can't wait til panther

[mmmbop]

Jagwire's swansong?

And I was hoping to see Panther appear in my Mac OS X Software Update panel :p

[Rower_CPU]

OK, what happened to 10.2.7? :confused:

Also, I haven't seen yet if this addresses the SSH vulnerability found a couple of weeks ago. Anyone know for sure?

[kainjow]

10.2.8 includes 10.2.7 :D

[madrobby]

Hmm, the link displays:

Document 25524 Not Found

The article you're looking for could not be found. Please either start over and ask another question, search Apple's Knowledge Archive, or visit the Discussion area.

The Knowledge Archive contains technical information for older Apple Products. Apple's Discussion Forum area allows you to search previous customer questions and answers, or post a new question which may be answered by other Apple customers, or Apple Representatives.

:confused: I just used the link out of the software update window...!?!?

[mainstreetmark]

Originally posted by madrobby
Hmm, the link displays:

Document 25524 Not Found

The article you're looking for could not be found. Please either start over and ask another question, search Apple's Knowledge Archive, or visit the Discussion area.

The Knowledge Archive contains technical information for older Apple Products. Apple's Discussion Forum area allows you to search previous customer questions and answers, or post a new question which may be answered by other Apple customers, or Apple Representatives.

:confused: I just used the link out of the software update window...!?!?

I concur - maybe they unreleased it.

[Rower_CPU]

Works for me:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25524

[Mason]

Hmm, I wonder what they fixed in Safari.

[evilbert420]

So this would imply that 10.2.7 was a G5-only build? And that maybe 10.2.9 may bring back the code to a common build? Or will we have to wait for Panther for common code?

[madrobby]

Also, my download window seem to be stalled... Bar goes nowhere the last 5 minutes... :(

[arn]

Strangely, some people are having trouble loading the knowledge base article. here are the list of enhancements

[madrobby]

Bluetooth enhancements? Maybe the next iSync release is really not so far away then... :) Hope my Symbian-based Nokia syncs with iCal soon... :)

UPDATE: The knowledge base link works now for me, thx for the info arn.

[XForge]

Not available from the downloads page - what if you're behind a firewall? Software Update hasn't worked from inside our corporate firewall in like, forever.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
OK, what happened to 10.2.7? :confused:

Also, I haven't seen yet if this addresses the SSH vulnerability found a couple of weeks ago. Anyone know for sure?

Yeah really, I think 10.2.7 is the best Update since 10.2 from 10.1

Originally posted by evilbert420
So this would imply that 10.2.7 was a G5-only build? And that maybe 10.2.9 may bring back the code to a common build? Or will we have to wait for Panther for common code?

No.

No no no no no .

I don't have a G5 and I am running 10.2.7

It is really stable IMO, and I haven't seen 10.2.8 as stable... :(

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by arn
Strangely, some people are having trouble loading the knowledge base article. here are the list of enhancements

That is strange. I couldn't link to it from the above link. Although I got to the page by navigating through the apple site.

Now to sit back and read about what happens when one updates to 10.2.8.

[seamuskrat]

No sign os a 10.2.8 server update in SUCP yet. I am not even sure of they are working on a 'server' variant of this update, but they always have in the past.

[cc bcc]

won't install on the G5

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by cc bcc
won't install on the G5

From Apple info page
Important: This update works only with Power Mac G3- and G4-based desktop and portable computers, including iMac, eMac, and iBook. This update does not work with Power Mac G5 computers.

;)

[dcbendi]

I got one of those shiny new Aluminum Powerbooks and I have 10.2.7. *shrug*

[dswoodley]

not impressed...on the whole everything is slower.

[Macmaniac]

I installed it, everythings running fine:)
Now if only I could have patches contain game enhancements that would be sweet!

[skymaXimus]

new keyboard and mouse icon, new for x.2 anyway.
Also, I can no long minimize in place, i have to minimize to the dock.

[FattyMembrane]

safari is at version 85.5 and installing it over the smoothstripes theme has not caused any problems so far.

it could just be my imagination, but it feels just the tiniest bit snappier on my imacG3.

EDIT: also, there's now a bluetooth tab in the keyboard/mouse prefpane, regardless of whether or not you have a bluetooth mouse.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by dswoodley
not impressed...on the whole everything is slower.

you can tell after minutes? impressive. ;)

[Mason]

I just wish they would fix safari so pages like this:

http://www.lyricopera.org/home.asp

would render properly.

And it still doesn't work with MS exchange servers.

[info_javier]

Che!!!! no existe el link para bajar el Combo o el update!!!!

Hey!!!! there is no link to Combo or stand alone SW Update!!!!

Alguíen puede darmelo??? Any can tell me where is it??


Saludos Gente!!!! Bye

[dswoodley]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
you can tell after minutes? impressive. ;)

Let me rephrase...startup is slower (even after 3 reboots), applications launch slower and shutdown is slower. Classic launch is quicker, however.

[90X Double Side]

It looks like the update does fix the SSH vulnerability (CAN-2003-0693), as ssh -V now returns:

OpenSSH_3.4p1+CAN-2003-0693

[pmcaleer]

Originally posted by Mason
I just wish they would fix safari so pages like this:

http://www.lyricopera.org/home.asp

would render properly.


Frankly, though, it's up to the designer(s) to determine what browsers to target. Although most will want to target all of them, some will use wacky and/or goofy JavaScript tricks (such as the menus on the Lyric Opera's site) to do things. In other words, IMHO it's not Apple's fault. It's the designer's fault.

10.2.8 is downloading as I type... fingers crossed.

[damson34]

the kb article says this..

"Two versions of the update installer are available. Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update updates Mac OS X 10.2.6 and 10.2.7 to the later version. This document describes how to use this installer."

Maybe they mean the version on the new powerbooks, not the G5 version.

[foniks2020]

Originally posted by Mason
I just wish they would fix safari so pages like this:

http://www.lyricopera.org/home.asp

would render properly.

And it still doesn't work with MS exchange servers.

The site you listed use custom javascript with a browser sniffer that is possibly two years old. It is also way simplistic in how it identifies the browser and then to add insult to injury it doesn't act appropriately for Netscape 6 and up... by this analysis I conclude it is the web developers fault for using old hacks (which may have been useful 2 years ago) instead of sticking to standards and including graceful fail-over when those stnadards are not being met.

You should complain to the webmaster regarding this. Easiest way is to tell them to take out all browser sniffing except for Netcape 4. All other browsers work the same way now and shouldn't need to be given special treatment.

All in all it's not Safari's or Apple's fault your opera lyrics site sucks.

[longday]

Does anyone know the seed build of the final 10.2.8 update? 6R59?

[edgar_is_good]

Originally posted by FattyMembrane
safari is at version 85.5 and installing it over the smoothstripes theme has not caused any problems so far.

it could just be my imagination, but it feels just the tiniest bit snappier on my imacG3.

EDIT: also, there's now a bluetooth tab in the keyboard/mouse prefpane, regardless of whether or not you have a bluetooth mouse.

I'm on a pismo 400mhz and I, too, find that everything is noticeably "snappier". Maybe I don't need a new albook.

[arn]

Originally posted by longday
Does anyone know the seed build of the final 10.2.8 update? 6R59?

It's 6R65

[gola]

Originally posted by dswoodley
Let me rephrase...startup is slower (even after 3 reboots), applications launch slower and shutdown is slower. Classic launch is quicker, however.

If this is true it is terrible news. I just wish for the day when booting into os9 would no longer give me a shock (concerning how slow and unresponsive osx actually is on my 1ghz tibook).

[peckel]

ssh -V
OpenSSH_3.4p1+CAN-2003-0693, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090609f


CAN-2003-0693 is last week's SSH security issue, so this is fixed.

10.2.8 also fixed a problem for me where my USB BT adapter was only recongnized after plugging it in and out repeatedly.

[Chaszmyr]

Mmm My dock seems much more white now...

[alphaone]

One thing I've noticed so far: it messed up my desktop icons. For example, a powerpoint file's icon on my desktop got all blurry and pixely, but the ones not on the desktop were fine. I was able to fix this by doing a save as and overwriting the messed up one. And another one: a .jpg file on my desktop (which was set to open with preview) had a graphic converter icon, but it still opened with preview. So I tried to fix it using the same method. When I did it disappeared! It still shows up in the desktop folder in my home (and it has the right icon). I dragged it to my hard disk and put it back on my desktop and it came back.


Weird bugs...:eek:

[info_javier]

Where I can download the stand alone Update!!!!!!!?????

Thanks

[madrobby]

Originally posted by Chaszmyr
Mmm My dock seems much more white now...

Dock was updated to, is now v1.1.1 (2003/09/15). FYI Dock.app can be found in System/Library/Core Services. Just look for file change dates within September and you get an idea what has changed with 10.2.8.

Also, look in System/Library/Extensions, there are many updates, like Graphics drivers, DVD driver, USB, Firewire and of course Bluetooth.

New kernel is Darwin 6.8 Darwin Kernel Version 6.8: Wed Sep 10 15:20:55 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.49.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC

[walkingmac]

anyone else notice a problem with your personal file or web sharing, also seemed to do number with my ip address stuff and added a network adapter. I restarted my sharing and everything seems fine now... just weird.

[DeusOmnis]

Wonderful, now my sound card doesnt work... M-Audio Revolution. Thanks Apple, I appreciate how the Mac doesnt come w/ a sound card, and you make sure to disable the one I have.

[stid]

They solved a CSS bug with background-image refresh in safari.

I have found this bug during a coding of a HTML/CSS page and send a report to Apple about it.

With 10.2.8 the problem is gone.

[robotrenegade]

sweet.

[Mason]

Originally posted by foniks2020


All in all it's not Safari's or Apple's fault your opera lyrics site sucks.

I appreciate the information, but was it really necessary to say the site sucks?

[longday]

Okay I want the standalone installer - anyone care to link to it on their webspace until apple gets it together?

[alphaone]

USB audio seems to have been updated and yet, my soundsticks still spaz out when I transmit things through airport :(. Come on apple! Fix the darn USB audio issues!!! :mad:

[madrobby]

Of interest is that the Key Caps application was also updated - anyone knows why, because of the bluetooth keyboard...?

[danielgrenell]

safari looks a bit different

[Etk]

edited

[edgar_is_good]

You know what they still haven't fixed (or, I am at least unable to change it to work) is the date stamp of files don't update until I click on the window even if it's already open. I always end up opening the wrong things because windows don't update until you click and by then I've already doubled clicked on the wrong file.

C'mon Apple! Update all open windows automatically!

[longday]

Nope it wasn't at all, but superficial vain twats are common around these parts, lots of "I am better then you" attitudes, no matter where ya go there is always an asshole..

I think macophiles tend to be pretty protective of Apple's efforts because there's a lot of anti-Apple sentiment without having whackadoo site designers blaming Apple for their poor skills.

[soosy]

Originally posted by longday
Okay I want the standalone installer - anyone care to link to it on their webspace until apple gets it together?

You know you can "download checked items to desktop" via the update menu in software update?

may help...

[longday]

Originally posted by soosy
You know you can "download checked items to desktop" via the update menu in software update?

may help...

Thanks soosy but it's not showing up in my Software Update for some reason...

[Etk]

Originally posted by dswoodley
pretty uncool comment...


Point taken, and I digress. Sometimes the attitude gets on my nerves (no its not just restricted to Mac people, not making that comment) I ecounter it way to often and its way too pointless.

On a related note, anyone try this update with MOTU 828mkII hardware?

[Mason]

Originally posted by longday
Nope it wasn't at all, but superficial vain twats are common around these parts, lots of "I am better then you" attitudes, no matter where ya go there is always an asshole..

I think macophiles tend to be pretty protective of Apple's efforts because there's a lot of anti-Apple sentiment without having whackadoo site designers blaming Apple for their poor skills.

I'm not a site designer. Further, I've seen this problem on a number of sites, many of them quite big. ESPN loads incorrectly sometimes and I can't get safari to work with MS exchange servers. The lyric site was just an example.

I have a PB and I love apple and I really like safari, but it does have issues.

[Etk]

Originally posted by Mason
I'm not a site designer. Further, I've seen this problem on a number of sites, many of them quite big. ESPN loads incorrectly sometimes and I can't get safari to work with MS exchange servers. The lyric site was just an example.

I have a PB and I love apple and I really like safari, but it does have issues.


Yes KHTML still needs a good bit of work in a few areas, but all in all it is pretty compliant. Most of those types of errors are due to the way MS impliments Javascript, and because of their own custom functions (whats new?). Also my appologies for the previous post again, I had a day chock full of hard headed people, sorry for the inflamatory post.

[foniks2020]

Originally posted by Mason
I appreciate the information, but was it really necessary to say the site sucks?

If I was interested in Opera and went to this site where I couldn't navigate at all I would instantly look somewhere else, regardless of the quality of content. The only time I would go there would be if they came up as a high quality link in Google or the like.

So yeah, it sucks. I didn't say you suck, just the site. Nothing personal, not even to the web developer who coded it or the javascript guy who wrote the code the webmaster downloaded... but yeah the site sucks.

[beefcake]

Is this update even worth it?

[Mason]

Originally posted by foniks2020
If I was interested in Opera and went to this site where I couldn't navigate at all I would instantly look somewhere else, regardless of the quality of content. The only time I would go there would be if they came up as a high quality link in Google or the like.

So yeah, it sucks. I didn't say you suck, just the site. Nothing personal, not even to the web developer who coded it or the javascript guy who wrote the code the webmaster downloaded... but yeah the site sucks.

FYI: The site is for a company, not a general opera site.

[dswoodley]

Originally posted by Etk
Point taken, and I digress. Sometimes the attitude gets on my nerves (no its not just restricted to Mac people, not making that comment) I ecounter it way to often and its way too pointless.

On a related note, anyone try this update with MOTU 828mkII hardware?

This I can agree with...

[Nermal]

An update you may not have seen - Safari is now the default browser. What I mean by this is when you make a new user account, instead of putting IE in the Dock by default, it's now Safari. Someone said that the Dock had been updated, I wonder if this is the only change or if something else has happened too?

[Apple][Forever]

Originally posted by foniks2020
If I was interested in Opera and went to this site where I couldn't navigate at all I would instantly look somewhere else, regardless of the quality of content. The only time I would go there would be if they came up as a high quality link in Google or the like.

So yeah, it sucks. I didn't say you suck, just the site. Nothing personal, not even to the web developer who coded it or the javascript guy who wrote the code the webmaster downloaded... but yeah the site sucks.

So... you would go to the OTHER Lyric Opera House websites????? Um, yeah. It's the official website of the house, I don't think there's too many other places to go for schedules, ticket info, etc.

[foniks2020]

Originally posted by Mason
I'm not a site designer. Further, I've seen this problem on a number of sites, many of them quite big. ESPN loads incorrectly sometimes and I can't get safari to work with MS exchange servers. The lyric site was just an example.

I have a PB and I love apple and I really like safari, but it does have issues.

TVGuide.com recently changed their layout. They fully neglected to support anything but IE browsers. Their listings looked just like the menu on the Oper Lyrics site... all cramped and on top of one another.

I wrote a complaint letter as I'm sure many Mac and Linux users also did...

What do you know, two days later and they (TVguide.com) had changed the layout to a more friendly design. It still doesn't look perfect but I can at least use it now and really that's all I ask.

Hopefully they will do more cross browser testing in the future and get their design looking it's best no matter which browser is viewing it. I would expect the same from any commercial web site which wants me to use their site.

[madrobby]

Originally posted by Nermal
An update you may not have seen - Safari is now the default browser. What I mean by this is when you make a new user account, instead of putting IE in the Dock by default, it's now Safari. Someone said that the Dock had been updated, I wonder if this is the only change or if something else has happened too?

From System/Library/Core Services/Dock/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/default.plist:

<dict>
<key>tile-data</key>
<dict>
<key>file-data</key>
<dict>
<key>_CFURLString</key>
<string>/Applications/Safari.app</string>
<key>_CFURLStringType</key>
<integer>0</integer>
</dict>
</dict>
</dict>

Finally.

I still wonder why they put Sherlock in (especially as nothing really works in Sherlock here in Europe). :rolleyes:

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by beefcake
Is this update even worth it?

I don't think it is. And with the news that Panther is probably a month away, I am not risking it. Everything works fine for me now.

[e-coli]

It messed up my "Transparent Dock" hack.

I really can't stand that ridiculous white dock background. It's way too noisy. An element that definitely doesn't need to be there.

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by e-coli
It messed up my "Transparent Dock" hack.

I really can't stand that ridiculous white dock background. It's way too noisy. An element that definitely doesn't need to be there.

Thanks for the heads up.
I'm glad I didn't update then. Is the transparent dock something that you can re-apply? Apple should really offer the transparency preference to the dock, as well with other items, example: Like it is in the terminal. I am concerned about this with panther. I won't upgrade until I know the transparent dock works in that.

[applekid]

This update killed of a lot of hacks as you can see. Good. Time to say good bye to our times in Jaguar and move forward... and get newer hacks.

Well, I don't know about you, but I definitely planned on removing hacks and doing a few Disk First Aid checks before I go out and buy and install Panther when it does get released.

[neb_greely]

I've updated and haven't noticed any changes other than Mail.app has crashed on me 4 times in the last hour.

Is that a feature?

I didn't think I had a need for a feature like that, but maybe Apple knows better than I.

[JonasLoaf]

Finally that clicking is gone!!! I have an iBook and I thought i may have been going crazy. I was never able to figure out what that was. Here's to apple for fixing it!

[ColoJohnBoy]

I haven't noticed anything spectacular about the update yet, but Safri does seem a wee bit quicker, and sites now work, where before the layout was a bit skewed.

I have build 7B68 of Panther burned to discs, but am debating whether or not it's worth it to install. Any thoughts?

[kansast]

I've installed the new Update.. everything appears fine. No problems on my end.
About Safari says it's version 1.0(v85)
is that correct ? I thought I read somewhere someone ended up with v85.5 ?

[WM.]

Originally posted by MrMacman
I don't have a G5 and I am running 10.2.7

It is really stable IMO, and I haven't seen 10.2.8 as stable... :(
I assume you are either an ADC member or have recently received a new AlBook or iMac. If it's the former, you probably know that they renamed 10.2.7 for some reason. (Note that I'm not referring to "10.2.7 (G5)".).

What instability are you seeing with 10.2.8? I would hope there haven't been any regressions from the seeds...

WM (not an ADC member, but my dad's 15" AlBook just shipped!)

[WM.]

Originally posted by damson34
the kb article says this..

"Two versions of the update installer are available. Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update updates Mac OS X 10.2.6 and 10.2.7 to the later version. This document describes how to use this installer."

Maybe they mean the version on the new powerbooks, not the G5 version.
Correct.

HTH
WM

[vanye451]

from the Apple Security list:

Mac OS X 10.2.8 is now available. It contains fixes for recent
vulnerabilities in:

OpenSSH: Mac OS X 10.2.8 contains the patches to address CVE
CAN-2003-0693, CAN-2003-0695, and CAN-2003-0682. On Mac OS X
versions prior to 10.2.8, the vulnerability is limited to a denial
of service from the possibility of causing sshd to crash. Each
login session has its own sshd, so established connections are
preserved up to the point where system resources are exhausted by
an attack.

To deliver the update in a rapid and reliable manner, only the
patches for CVE IDs listed above were applied, and not the entire
set of patches for OpenSSH 3.7.1. Thus, the OpenSSH version in
Mac OS X 10.2.8, as obtained via the "ssh -V" command, is:
OpenSSH_3.4p1+CAN-2003-0693, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL
0x0090609f

Sendmail: Addresses CVE CAN-2003-0694 and CAN-2003-0681 to fix a
buffer overflow in address parsing, as well as a potential buffer
overflow in ruleset parsing.

fb_realpath(): Fixes CAN-2003-0466 which is an off-by-one error in
the fb_realpath() function that may allow attackers to execute
arbitrary code.

arplookup(): Fixes CAN-2003-0804. The arplookup() function caches
ARP requests for routes on a local link. On a local subnet only,
it is possible for an attacker to send a sufficient number of
spoofed ARP requests which will exhaust kernel memory, leading to
a denial of service.

[snip]

info will be posted here:

http://www.apple.com/support/security/security_updates.html

[kansast]

I've had an external Firewire Drive sitting on my shelf.. that would never work.. I read this update might could fix such things.. and sure enough BAM there it is !
I thought maybe it was defective or the drive was a lost cause. Certainly makes this update worth it to me.

[WM.]

Originally posted by JonasLoaf
Finally that clicking is gone!!! I have an iBook and I thought i may have been going crazy. I was never able to figure out what that was. Here's to apple for fixing it!
What vintage is your iBook? I have an old one; I don't think I'm experiencing any clicking, although it would probably be drowned out by the hard drive (it's a 6 GB Travelstar...).

I'm just curious what's happenin' on the iBook-support side of things.

TIA
WM

[mainstreetmark]

Any way to just get the Safari update?

I'm on a 500Mhz iBook, and don't really want a slower OS.

[Stella]

Yes it is necessary.

If a website specify targets one browser only, then YES, it does SUCK.

The internet is meant to be platform independent. It takes the piss when a company, such as Microsoft, use their influence to force the internet into a platform, or, any software.

So again, YES it is necessary to say the site may suck. A website should be tested to ensure it works on W3C compliant browsers.

Originally posted by Mason
I appreciate the information, but was it really necessary to say the site sucks?

[JonasLoaf]

Originally posted by WM.
What vintage is your iBook? I have an old one; I don't think I'm experiencing any clicking, although it would probably be drowned out by the hard drive (it's a 6 GB Travelstar...).

I'm just curious what's happenin' on the iBook-support side of things.

TIA
WM

It's a 700MHz. And the sound would come out of the speakers. And, it would come through headphones if you plugged those in, and stop coming through the speakers. I'm not sure where the default was, but it's very surprising that it was on the software end of things. I assumed it was something wrong internally with just my machine.

[edgar_is_good]

Originally posted by mainstreetmark
Any way to just get the Safari update?

I'm on a 500Mhz iBook, and don't really want a slower OS.

I would try it. It seems that G4 people are whining, but I'm on a 400mhz g3 and to me it seems noticeably quicker.

[centauratlas]

Originally posted by seamuskrat
No sign os a 10.2.8 server update in SUCP yet.

I tried about 10 minutes ago and nothing for Server. I figured it would be in a day or two, but I gave it another shot just now (about 8:10pm) and there it was!

Just FYI for everyone running Server out there.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by JonasLoaf
It's a 700MHz. And the sound would come out of the speakers. And, it would come through headphones if you plugged those in, and stop coming through the speakers. I'm not sure where the default was, but it's very surprising that it was on the software end of things. I assumed it was something wrong internally with just my machine.

Yeah, I thought it was a hardware problem too. I haven't heard it since installing the update, so hopefully it's gone for good :)

[centauratlas]

Originally posted by beefcake
Is this update even worth it?

I think so, particularly for the security updates (ssh, sendmail) and the described bluetooth updates.

I think the Bluetooth updates will be useful for the updates to iSynch etc....just a guess.

[iHack]

Originally posted by kansast
I've installed the new Update.. everything appears fine. No problems on my end.
About Safari says it's version 1.0(v85)
is that correct ? I thought I read somewhere someone ended up with v85.5 ?
Yup, my Safari changed from v85 to v85.5

One small thing with my 12"pBook: I have a 17" LCD (no Apple :-() which is to the left of my pBook. After installing the update, OS X apparently expected me to have changed sides. It put the additional destop area to the right of my pBook. Only found it out after getting mad that my cursor wouldn't go from my 17" LCD to my pBook the usual route. i tossed my mouse on the desk angrily and there it was... it 'bounced' of the 17" LCD onto the pBook on the other side. Weird change...

And another: after running the update and restarting the pBook fell asleep with the fan running. Wouldn't wake up. I had to press the power button for a few seconds to reboot it. Hasn't happened again...

BTW the Keyboard pref pane now has bluetooth stuff - batt. level and such.

M.

[mxpiazza]

i don't really have much room to argue, seeing that i am fortunate enough to own a g5, but has anyone heard of any possible security or safari updates that will be made available to us g5 owners that can't upgrade to 10.2.8?

[WM.]

Originally posted by JonasLoaf
It's a 700MHz. And the sound would come out of the speakers. And, it would come through headphones if you plugged those in, and stop coming through the speakers. I'm not sure where the default was, but it's very surprising that it was on the software end of things. I assumed it was something wrong internally with just my machine.
OK, thanks. I'm pretty sure I'm not experiencing that, even with the HD noise from hell.... It must only affect newer ones (mine's a 366, no FireWire). I agree that it's pretty weird for a software bug...

Congratulations on your newly quiet 'Book! :)

WM

[WM.]

Originally posted by iHack
One small thing with my 12"pBook: I have a 17" LCD (no Apple :-() which is to the left of my pBook. After installing the update, OS X apparently expected me to have changed sides. It put the additional destop area to the right of my pBook. Only found it out after getting mad that my cursor wouldn't go from my 17" LCD to my pBook the usual route. i tossed my mouse on the desk angrily and there it was... it 'bounced' of the 17" LCD onto the pBook on the other side. Weird change...
I assume that rearranging the monitors in the Displays prefpane got things back to normal?

WM

[crazytom]

Originally posted by DeusOmnis
Wonderful, now my sound card doesnt work... M-Audio Revolution. Thanks Apple, I appreciate how the Mac doesnt come w/ a sound card, and you make sure to disable the one I have.

That's horrible!!! I wonder if it would kill my Delta 1010, too....I can't do without it right now, so I'll wait to update until my project is finished.

[iHack]

Originally posted by WM.
I assume that rearranging the monitors in the Displays prefpane got things back to normal?

WM

Yup. I just checked - it stays the right way (my right way anyway) too. It just imposed new defaults once, apparently.

M.

[WM.]

Originally posted by mxpiazza
i don't really have much room to argue, seeing that i am fortunate enough to own a g5, but has anyone heard of any possible security or safari updates that will be made available to us g5 owners that can't upgrade to 10.2.8?
Bastard!!

;)

But seriously, great question. I haven't seen/heard anything at all. I guess you should just keep checking Software Update until Panther comes out.

*shrug*

WM

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Stella
Yes it is necessary.

If a website specify targets one browser only, then YES, it does SUCK.

The internet is meant to be platform independent. It takes the piss when a company, such as Microsoft, use their influence to force the internet into a platform, or, any software.

So again, YES it is necessary to say the site may suck. A website should be tested to ensure it works on W3C compliant browsers. Seems that only a javascript of css fix would be necessary. Safari does a good job on almost every site I've been too.

[Etk]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Seems that only a javascript of css fix would be necessary. Safari does a good job on almost every site I've been too.

*applauds*

[John_DiMatteo]

I was installing the OS update. While it was installing, I tried scrolling down the text on the install window that describes the install. Once done scrolling down the darned thing would bounce back to the top of the text. After trying to scroll down a few times Software Update crashed.

The download was not complete but "about this mac" states that it is 10.2.8. If I go back to software update, the 10.2.8 update is no longer available (along with several other things that I did not even choose to download, such as Airport and Blue tooth stuff). Any suggestions on what I should do?

[Stelliform]

Originally posted by seamuskrat
No sign os a 10.2.8 server update in SUCP yet. I am not even sure of they are working on a 'server' variant of this update, but they always have in the past.

I am downloading it on my server right now. The interesting thing is that it is 2 MB smaller for the Server..

[Hugin777]

Originally posted by John_DiMatteo
The download was not complete but "about this mac" states that it is 10.2.8. If I go back to software update, the 10.2.8 update is no longer available (along with several other things that I did not even choose to download, such as Airport and Blue tooth stuff). Any suggestions on what I should do?

I guess you should try the Combo installer ?

[crees!]

Anyone with a new 15" PB install the update? Good, bad, same?

[rockman2023]

I just checked the 10.2.8 .pkg file with Pacifist, and it includes the following:

Applications
-Safari
-Utilities
•Airport Admin Utility
•Airport Setup Assistant
•Bluetooth File Exchange
•Bluetooth Serial Utility
•Bluetooth Setup Assistant
•Key Caps

Library
-Documentation
•Help
-Airport Help
-Fonts
•Chalkboard.ttf
-Internet Plug-Ins
•flashplayer.xpt
•Shockwave Flash NP-PPC
-mach_kernel

sbin
<23 files owned by root>

System
-Library
<12 sub-folders>

usr
<5 sub-folders>


By the way, what's the AppleFan.kext extension for?? I'm guessing it has something to do with controlling the fan speed. (I really dont know....)

[Tom Golden]

what the heck is this...MY BATTERY LIFE WENT FROM 4HRS TO 2HRS AFTER THE UPDATE I have a 500mhz ibook...I knew I shouldn't have updated!

[burntoutjoy]

Ok, I just installed the 10.2.8 update on my 2002 800MHz iBook, and....it killed it. It now powers down soon after boot, when it says:
*** PAS: gotChildIterator
in verbose mode. Lush.
a) Any ideas as to how to fix? (seems to be a kernel problem)
b) Be careful about installing on this machine!

Cheers

[vancenase]

Originally posted by Tom Golden
what the heck is this...MY BATTERY LIFE WENT FROM 4HRS TO 2HRS AFTER THE UPDATE I have a 500mhz ibook...I knew I shouldn't have updated!

whoa. mine too ... actually, though, it's steadily going 'up' ... from 1:45 ... up to 2:04 now ... 2:05 ... still going .... odd??

[The Ancients]

I take NO responsibility for the following!!! (although I have done something similar in the past which worked with no ill effects - I can remember it was an Apple supplied update, but I can't remember what it was for).

Look in your Library folder in the root directory of your System HD for the Receipts Folder. Remove "MacOSXUpdate10.2.8.pkg". Try running Software Update again. It may just decide 10.2.8 isn't present, and do a normal install.

..k

Originally posted by John_DiMatteo
I was installing the OS update. While it was installing, I tried scrolling down the text on the install window that describes the install. Once done scrolling down the darned thing would bounce back to the top of the text. After trying to scroll down a few times Software Update crashed.

The download was not complete but "about this mac" states that it is 10.2.8. If I go back to software update, the 10.2.8 update is no longer available (along with several other things that I did not even choose to download, such as Airport and Blue tooth stuff). Any suggestions on what I should do?

[Tom Golden]

MAN THIS BLOWS! I went out and bought an new battery! THIS IS REDICULOUS!

[Toppa G's]

My 500 mHz iBook crashed right at the end of the install of the update. Restarted, would not let me log in. Popped in OS X disc, reset passwords, no luck. So, a reinstall of Jaguar is what I am doing now. Oh, happy day. :rolleyes:

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by FattyMembrane
safari is at version 85.5 and installing it over the smoothstripes theme has not caused any problems so far.

It has been at 85.5 Since 10.2.7


I've posted that for quite a while...

Originally posted by kansast
I've installed the new Update.. everything appears fine. No problems on my end.
About Safari says it's version 1.0(v85)
is that correct ? I thought I read somewhere someone ended up with v85.5 ?

They did update to 85.5

Originally posted by WM.
I assume you are either an ADC member or have recently received a new AlBook or iMac. If it's the former, you probably know that they renamed 10.2.7 for some reason. (Note that I'm not referring to "10.2.7 (G5)".).

What instability are you seeing with 10.2.8? I would hope there haven't been any regressions from the seeds...

WM (not an ADC member, but my dad's 15" AlBook just shipped!)

I got the original 10.2.7 (Non-G5)

I have seen my dock change (minor annoyance).

Some applications now don't know what they are suppose to be opened by...

some other weird occurrences. :(

rockman2023 -- What util's were updated?

edit:
Originally posted by Tom Golden
MAN THIS BLOWS! I went out and bought an new battery! THIS IS REDICULOUS!

You went from lowering your battery life to (buying) and replacing your battery in less then 20 minutes!

Talk about jumping the gun!

:eek:

[Trinity570]

Now that I've installed 10.2.8, I'm realizing I should have read a few more posts and waited. My Revolution 7.1 PCI card doesn't work anymore and my second internal HD is hosed. "Invalid number of allocation blocks" is the error I get. Thanks to Micromat, I don't have TechTool Pro to address the problem!!! (But that's a whole other can o' worms). Drive 10 won't fix it and neither will Disk Utilities. I have 60 GB of video files for my church sitting on there that I can't get to. I don't know if the update did it or not, but all I know is that it worked before I installed the update and now it doesn't.

[Tom Golden]

"You went from lowering your battery life to (buying) and replacing your battery in less then 20 minutes!"
Talk about jumping the gun!

No I bought a new battery a few weeks back b/c my other one only held a 20 min charge. The new battery held 4hrs until I upgraded to 10.8.crap! I really do not want to have to reinstall jaguar.....grrrr! Doesn't apple test this stuff before hand....goodness!

[Stelliform]

I have installed it on 3 macs with no trouble. (iMac 17", TiBook 1Ghz, and iMac CRT Slot loading...)

[ryaxnb]

Originally posted by XForge
Not available from the downloads page - what if you're behind a firewall? Software Update hasn't worked from inside our corporate firewall in like, forever.
The Knowledge Base article links to a standalone thing.

[The Grimace]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
Thanks for the heads up.
I'm glad I didn't update then. Is the transparent dock something that you can re-apply? Apple should really offer the transparency preference to the dock, as well with other items, example: Like it is in the terminal. I am concerned about this with panther. I won't upgrade until I know the transparent dock works in that.

I'm using Panther DP 7B68 now, and no sign of Dock transparency in Sys. Prefs. Sorry.

Although, I gotta say, Panther ROCKS. I'm on an iMac DV 400 w/ 320MB, and it flys. And Steve was right - Preview IS faster than Acrobat. Everything seems faster, easier, more intuitive. Some bugs, but whatever, it's a pre-release, eh?

((tig)

[zach]

Grimace: The transparent dock is a hack, but installing 10.2.8 seems to mess it up. I actually had to revert to my dock backup, but then i changed it to transparent no sweat.

[TEG]

Finally, a faster refreshing OS. The Dock thing is a drag, but the OS is much snappier, and startup is twice as fast.

TEG

[Wonder Boy]

Originally posted by dswoodley
not impressed...on the whole everything is slower.

no! not again! i have been waiting for this to get rid .6

[Minus Blindfold]

just installed it on my 12'' Powerbook G4. Nothing to report really. Also Safari stills had that weird glitch where it won't display more than animated gif on a page. Has anyone else noticed that.

Evidence: http://www.gamegen.com/main.htm

[porovaara]

Wow I can't believe some of the garbage being posted here.

Anyhoo:

Tom, let the machine run a while the battery timer needs to be recalibrated.

The update works fine on the new powerbooks. In fact it fixed a problem I had with Safari randomnly closing windows (after trashing perfs).

According to the battery timer my battery life has gone up(!) since the update.

If anything my machine is faster, those who are claiming it is slower, in what ways? What programs are slower?

Also it appears sound cards that don't work or have trouble in panther are broken in this update. Dunno if it is Apple's screw up or a change in the way the audio drivers from a 3rd party need to work.

[Sherman]

The dock has been updated, this causes that handy dandy little hack that a lot of people have been using to stop working because it was reinstalled.

Anyone tried to reinstall the 6C48 dock with 10.2.8?

[Pipian]

My iBook ( I got it in June, 800 Mhz, Amazon had a sale) seems to have lowered it's battery time about an hour or so.. Should I recalibrate? Ir is it something.....else?

[jaykk]

I can report too that the battery on my Ti 550Mhz went down to 2:00 from about 3:30..
Also, the transperent dock doesn't work. Thank god, i backed up my dock before trying transperentdock, i tried several times, no luck.

[singletrack]

Working just fine with no problems on this iBook 500 and seems to be a bit snappier especially under load but maybe that's just wishful thinking. My Powerbook 12" hasn't arrived yet. ;-)

Had a couple of preferences change - the desktop icons reset their size and my mouse went back to default speed but it's been doing that a lot lately on reboots anyway.

Safari may be 85.5 but I noticed webcore is v87 now. The brushed metal in Safari also seems to be grainier than other metal apps but that may have been like that before but I didn't notice.

I don't know what people mean by a transparent dock? Mine's always been transparent. ie. you can see stuff under it.

There's an odd bug in the keyboard prefs. Click on the bluetooth tab and it becomes keyboard selectable with a focus around it but only if you start at that tab clicking. Odd. Perhaps it's a sign of greater keyboard integration with the UI - something I've missed from other OSs.

Bluetooth (with Dlink DWB-120M dongle) seems to be quicker at recognising my T610 and SMS via address book is much nicer. There's also an 'allow bluetooth devices to wake this computer' setting that is greyed out. That would have been cool if I could wake my iBook by walking into the room with my phone. Maybe that's coming in Panther.

[singletrack]

Safari still displays the second frame of an animated gif over the top of a layer it should be under. eg. http://www.planet-x-bikes.com

Scroll the animated 'New for 2004' gif under the fixed layer titlebar and wait for it to change frames.

[Mason]

Before the update I used to get about 3:40 on my battery. After the update it initially went down to 1:50. After 15 minutes on battery power it is now at 2:01. Hopefully the timer will be calibrated soon and I will be able to determine whether or not any adjustment has actually been made.

[punter]

i.... think i'll wait till panther is released. Sounds like some unhappy updaters out there. Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

[shadowfax]

dammit!

dammit dammit dammit!

... i have almost 40 days of uptime. i swear i am not applying this till i hit 40 tomorrow afternoon. sheesh!

[Stelliform]

Originally posted by shadowfax
dammit!

dammit dammit dammit!

... i have almost 40 days of uptime. i swear i am not applying this till i hit 40 tomorrow afternoon. sheesh!

That is what we like to see, a person with their priorities in order. :p ;)

[Nermal]

My iBook still kernel panics when I try to connect (via Samba) to my brother's XP machine. You just can't trust XP :rolleyes:

[optijaz]

Have installed 10.2.8 on a 600mhz/ 384MB RAM/ ibook with some points to note:

1. When installing did a "download to desktop" of the update which had an error however when retried continued downloading from where it stopped.

2. After rebooting desktop icons had changed to non default program although opened fine however, a second reboot fixed that.

3. Also as others have noted battery power seems to have shortened from 3:30 to 2:00 hr.

4. However a problem that I had of volume jumping around when adjusting it has now become very steady and stable.

5. Boot time is quicker.

The system feels generally more stable. Shame about the battery loss tho.

[pilotgi]

So far, so good on my 800Mhz iBook. My airport settings reverted back to "no network selected". Other than that, I haven't found any problems. Battery life appears to be unaffected, dock is still transparent.

[kallykalifornia]

I just installed the update and rebooted to find my fan spinning as if the machine had been sitting buried in my covers and in the direct sunlight for four hours.... I shut down and gave it a break.... but the fan was still going when I restarted. Finally I disconnected the power adaptor and the fan stopped. I just reconnected it and so far so good.

I saw someone else posted that their 12" iBook restarted with the fan on (and unlike mine in sleep mode refusing to wake up.)

Anyone else noticing this? Anyone have any ideas if this is an issue or just a temporary bug?

Kal

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Stelliform
That is what we like to see, a person with their priorities in order. :p ;) yeah... i have 3 big tests this week, and i spent the afternoon playing with my aunt's dog... you can't really blame me though, when you see the little twerp...

[KLFloyd]

Originally posted by e-coli
It messed up my "Transparent Dock" hack.

I really can't stand that ridiculous white dock background. It's way too noisy. An element that definitely doesn't need to be there.

I'm using Unsanity's free "Clear Dock" and haven't had any trouble with the upate. So far so good.

[Alte22a]

Just installed the update on my dual G4, works really well with my Lacie DVD writer, just burnt a disc, very happy :D

Is it me or is OSX 10.2.8 running quite smooth?

[reckless_0001]

The fan on my Dual 1.25 G4 PowerMac (FW800) seems to be alot quieter. Is it just me?

10.2.8 is running so smooth on my PowerMacs. The only one it seems to be slow on is my computer with the CPU upgrade.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Alte22a
Is it me or is OSX 10.2.8 running quite smooth? speaking without experience, yet, it is only logical that there would be tasty improvements. i mean, after all, this is .0.2 changes up from our previous 10.2.6...

i would hope, after waiting so long for an update, that they got a lot more ironed out :)

[ARKHAM]

I, too, installed 10.2.8 and found that my Revolution 7.1 PCI card is totally gone.

Any suggestion on how to get it back?



Originally posted by Trinity570
Now that I've installed 10.2.8, I'm realizing I should have read a few more posts and waited. My Revolution 7.1 PCI card doesn't work anymore and my second internal HD is hosed. "Invalid number of allocation blocks" is the error I get. Thanks to Micromat, I don't have TechTool Pro to address the problem!!! (But that's a whole other can o' worms). Drive 10 won't fix it and neither will Disk Utilities. I have 60 GB of video files for my church sitting on there that I can't get to. I don't know if the update did it or not, but all I know is that it worked before I installed the update and now it doesn't.

[alset]

Wrecked my icons. Files like .rtf and .asf are generic blank pages.

Haven't noticed anything else, yet.

Dan

edit: scrolling long lists of files seems to be smoother

[bokdol]

Originally posted by reckless_0001
10.2.8 is running so smooth on my PowerMacs. The only one it seems to be slow on is my computer with the CPU upgrade.

what upgrades did you have?

[greenstork]

Originally posted by Nermal
My iBook still kernel panics when I try to connect (via Samba) to my brother's XP machine. You just can't trust XP :rolleyes:

It's probably some sort of firewall he has on XP. I had the same probelm with a friend's PC.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by greenstork
It's probably some sort of firewall he has on XP. I had the same probelm with a friend's PC. no, this samba thing is actually a jag issue... the server mounts aren't supposed to be so dependent on the stability of the server. i have actually frozen my tibook by cutting off the connection with another mac unexpectedly. this should not happen; i suspect they will fix it in panther.

[Alte22a]

the update is running smooth but talking about blan icons, mu M$ word icons have gone blank, but only my M$ icons on my desktop only...... Is apple saying something? :D

[rog]

I for one don't believe this rumor for a second.

[mxpiazza]

Originally posted by rog
I for one don't believe this rumor for a second.
what are you talking about...

[EMKoper]

After upgrade, PowerMac G4, DP won't recognize iSight. Anyone else with this problem?

[Alte22a]

just test my isightm works fine..:cool:

[Stelliform]

Originally posted by shadowfax
no, this samba thing is actually a jag issue... the server mounts aren't supposed to be so dependent on the stability of the server. i have actually frozen my tibook by cutting off the connection with another mac unexpectedly. this should not happen; i suspect they will fix it in panther.

I have had this problem a lot in Jag. When I go to offices I will connect and then forget to disconnect. When I wake my laptop up, without the last network connection, it will take the finder a good 10 minutes to recover.

And sometimes I have to do a hard reboot to regain control. Now the problem has gotten somewhat better as Jag evolved, but I wish it would go away!

[Blaaze]

I don't know if you noticed this, but under Keyboard & Mouse, we got some new tabs - Bluetooth and Keyboard Access. Keyboard access is pretty cool. I set up mine so that control + ~ will have it flipping through windows. I can feel the productivity increase :).

Also trackpad has got a new checkbox that allows it to ignore accidental trackpad input. I'm not sure how that works, but it seems nifty.

Also I noticed that the tabs glow blue now :). I don't think they did before??

I'm sorry if I just re-stated what everybody knew allready. hehe

[reckless_0001]

Originally posted by bokdol
what upgrades did you have?

In B&W Power Mac (originally 300mhz G3)

-Sonnet Encore/ZIF 500mhz G4
-Sonnet Tempo ATA/133 RAID Card (two 80GB ATA 133 HD's)
-ATI Radeon 7000 32mb (PCI) in 66mhz slot
-512mb RAM

[tomf87]

Installed on iMac 800 17". MySQL and Apache/PHP work just fine.

It seemed on 10.2.6 that my machine would hang around while doing any mundane task, like closing a window. Now it's okay. Hmm...

[Nermal]

Originally posted by Blaaze
Also trackpad has got a new checkbox that allows it to ignore accidental trackpad input. I'm not sure how that works, but it seems nifty.

There used to be an option "ignore trackpad input when typing" or something like that, are you talking about the same thing? It disappeared out of my preferences when I installed SideTrack.

[ChoMomma]

Originally posted by Nermal
My iBook still kernel panics when I try to connect (via Samba) to my brother's XP machine. You just can't trust XP :rolleyes:

Well did you expect it to be happy about connecting to an XP machine? I'd panic if you made me do that too :D hehe

[Doctor Q]

Originally posted by foniks2020
TVGuide.com recently changed their layout... What do you know, two days later and they (TVguide.com) had changed the layout to a more friendly design. It still doesn't look perfect but I can at least use it now and really that's all I ask.TVGuide is still overwriting itself with the latest Safari:

[electric]

No friggen way...

I have had a problem with iphoto not burning photos ever since day one.
My problem was that when I tried to burn a disc within iphoto it would always pop up an alert saying that "there is not enough room on the disc to burn your images, please select less images and try again". I tried less and less images until I had only one left weighing about 400K still no burn. I spent many unfruitful hours looking online for a reason, but gave up. After update? successful burn of over 300 images. yippy. Before, I had to burn the images from the hard drive manually which was a pain because of all the nested directories. Now to get back some of that precious HD space.

For what its worth I have a 400MHZ TIPB with an external firewire smartDisk that came with the PB because Apple was just coming out with the combo drive.

Did I say that I love Apple?


Thomas

[macphoria]

So what's this about Dock disappearing under 10.2.8?

[Nermal]

Originally posted by ChoMomma
Well did you expect it to be happy about connecting to an XP machine? I'd panic if you made me do that too :D hehe

:)

He's actually considering going to Linux now. While it's not as good as going to a Mac, it's still better than Windows!

At least 10.2.8 only crashes my comp, 10.2.6 would crash his too :p

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by reckless_0001
The fan on my Dual 1.25 G4 PowerMac (FW800) seems to be alot quieter. Is it just me?

10.2.8 is running so smooth on my PowerMacs. The only one it seems to be slow on is my computer with the CPU upgrade.

Hmmm... really... upgrading is scary... I am, however, tempted by the promise of a quieter fan. :)

Still going to wait a couple more days.

[ralphh]

I got mild scare when I restarted my Ti 500 after upgrading 10.2.6 to 10.2.8: a bunch of Quicktime .mov clips on my desktop had iTunes 4 icons! :eek:

What was really strange was the icons had the word "MOVIE" stamped on them the way the correct quicktime icons would have.

Anyway, restarting again corrected the icons.

BTW, just checked iTunes' resources, and there is an iTunes movie icon. Whatever for? :confused:

[Doctor Q]

Booting feels much faster, which a few people have mentioned. Did anybody actually time it before and after the update? If not, I suggest/request that someone planning to install 10.2.8 do a test reboot and time it before running Software Update, and then again with the reboot following the update.

[Rower_CPU]

Not to scare anyone too badly, but I updated an eMac at work and now have an unbootable OS X install.

The machine somehow fell asleep during the update and refused to wake back up. After a hard restart, all I can get is the grey screen with the spinning progress indicator. fsck and repairing permissions haven't had any effect.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Not to scare anyone too badly, but I updated an eMac at work and now have an unbootable OS X install.

The machine somehow fell asleep during the update and refused to wake back up. After a hard restart, all I can get is the grey screen with the spinning progress indicator. fsck and repairing permissions haven't had any effect. if you didn't pour so much freaking booze in the CD tray, it might not fall asleep so fast. it probably just has a nasty hangover right now.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by ralphh
I got mild scare when I restarted my Ti 500 after upgrading 10.2.6 to 10.2.8: a bunch of Quicktime .mov clips on my desktop had iTunes 4 icons! :eek:

What was really strange was the icons had the word "MOVIE" stamped on them the way the correct quicktime icons would have.

Anyway, restarting again corrected the icons.

BTW, just checked iTunes' resources, and there is an iTunes movie icon. Whatever for? :confused:

VIDEO iPOD!!! :D

...sorry.

Getting back on topic, I found some of my RealAudio files went and associated themselves with MPlayer. I've corrected the associations but they've still got the MPlayer icon. Maybe a reboot will fix it, but I'm in the middle of a download and don't want to reboot (the server has limited slots).

[coolbreeze]

I'm sitting in a bar in Oakland, CA downloading the update (free WI-FI-woo-hoo)...I really hope it doesn't hose my iBook 900 up. I'll let you know....

[scorpion]

Not to post on a completely unrelated topic, but have you guys changed your hosts in Net Info manager?

If you need help, email me and I can send a link.

Also, I installed 10.2.8 on my iBook dual USB 500 mhz and my single processor G4 (1 Ghz) and had no problems so far. My iBook battery life has been pathetic so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see how it works under 10.2.8.

Best o' luck.

[longday]

What bar in Oakland might that be? (Marin here)

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by longday
What bar in Oakland might that be? (Marin here)
You're not gonna come hijack my iBook if I tell you are you? Haha. Just kidding. It's just that Oakland seems a little shady at times...

I am here on business and found this place last night. It's called Pacific Coast Brewing Co. on Washington street. Free WI-FI, good food, and great beer....what more can I ask?

By the way, after the update my battery life is slowly creeping up ?!@ Strange. Just hope it doesn't ruin my battery life....it's gonna be a long flight if it does (i.e. I'll suddenly feel like a windows user)...

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
By the way, after the update my battery life is slowly creeping up ?!@ Strange. Just hope it doesn't ruin my battery life....it's gonna be a long flight if it does (i.e. I'll suddenly feel like a windows user)... that sometimes happens when you go from intense CPU load to a light CPU load, in my experience. shouldn't be a bad thing.

[Ramsos]

What ever bar you are sitting in there has to be some pissed off raider fans I know because I'm one, Sorry to be off topic. BTW I just updated to 10.2.8 and my word docs are showing up with a blank icon so I am going to restart and see what happens. On another note my dockis still clear.

[Ramsos]

Well my word icons are back but startup on my tibook 800 1gig ram is super slowww. It takes at least twice as long to restart, luckily I only restart a couple times a month.

[Bunzi2k4]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
Booting feels much faster, which a few people have mentioned. Did anybody actually time it before and after the update? If not, I suggest/request that someone planning to install 10.2.8 do a test reboot and time it before running Software Update, and then again with the reboot following the update.
i'll ask my dad he's running a pismo (i think) firewire 500 mghz g3 right now using 10.2.6, i'll ask him to time it ect alright?

[whocares]

Originally posted by burntoutjoy
Ok, I just installed the 10.2.8 update on my 2002 800MHz iBook, and....it killed it. It now powers down soon after boot, when it says:
*** PAS: gotChildIterator
in verbose mode. Lush.
a) Any ideas as to how to fix? (seems to be a kernel problem)
b) Be careful about installing on this machine!

Cheers

10.2.8 up and running fine on my 800 iBook. I've seen that others have no problem with their 800-ers either. Must be something about your machine. You had me a bit worried whilst I was upgrading :(

All fine and well now............exept bat. time down about 2h from usual :mad:

[Mason]

I let the battery run all the way down, and even though it initially said only 1:50, it lasted over 3 hours - and that is while running a number of programs.

However, now my superdrive is non-responsive whenever I try to insert a cd or dvd. I never had this problem before, and I have no idea what to do.

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by Mason
I let the battery run all the way down, and even though it initially said only 1:50, it lasted over 3 hours - and that is while running a number of programs.

However, now my superdrive is non-responsive whenever I try to insert a cd or dvd. I never had this problem before, and I have no idea what to do.

OK. This has way to many weird things happening to update. I am officially waiting for panther.

[rockman2023]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
Booting feels much faster, which a few people have mentioned. Did anybody actually time it before and after the update? If not, I suggest/request that someone planning to install 10.2.8 do a test reboot and time it before running Software Update, and then again with the reboot following the update.

Alright....I tested this from the startup chime, to when the blue screen first appears.
I did a reboot on my Quicksilver 733 before I installed; that took about 46 seconds.
After I installed and rebooted from Installer, it took about 1 min 27 sec.
I restarted again, and that time it took 47 sec.
Therefore, for me, bootup time is normal. My Icons on the desktop DID change; they were 2 .wma files. The icons had changed to the old Media Player v6 block icon. Also, If you've installed Flash Player 7, the update will revert you back to v6. I'll see how the OS runs over the course of the week.

[Mason]

I WOULD put in the apple hardware test cd if I could, but since I can't, does anyone know how I might run a diagnostic check to see what the problem is?

[Doctor Q]

For starters, you could run Apple System Profiler (in the Utilities folder) and check that the Superdrive shows up in the Bus section of the Devices and Volumes tab, and whether an inserted CD or DVD shows up as a sub-component to its right in the display. This would at least tell you whether the hardware is being detected.

[Mason]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
For starters, you could run Apple System Profiler (in the Utilities folder) and check that the Superdrive shows up in the Bus section of the Devices and Volumes tab, and whether an inserted CD or DVD shows up as a sub-component to its right in the display. This would at least tell you whether the hardware is being detected.

I rebooted, and now my drive works again. I looked in the devices and volumes and the drive is showing up. I'm going to run a hardware test now just for giggles.

Thanks for the help.

[Nermal]

Deleted: Looks like you got it fixed.

[prewwii]

When I ran X-Bench the memory system copy test is about 50% of it's former speed. On my Quick Silver the drop is from the 80's to the low 40's.

Has any one else had that experience?

[macphoria]

I guess 10.2.8 will be the last of the Jaguar. Panther must be just around the corner, or bush!

[Bernd]

Originally posted by prewwii
When I ran X-Bench the memory system copy test is about 50% of it's former speed. On my Quick Silver the drop is from the 80's to the low 40's.

Has any one else had that experience?

I have seen it said on several sites like think secreat forums ect that the first time anything is run on 10.2.8 the prebind does not work corectly. they have said word takes 10 sec the fist time to launch and about 2 seconds the secound time it is launched in 10.2.8. I have people saying on one forum that it is faster by about 10% I forget what post it was

[alphaq619]

I just updated to 10.2.8 and I too have noticed a dip in my battery time. It says 92%/1:32!! Should I recalibrate my battery? I'll also check to see if the time is correct. I'm timing the time until it falls asleep. Cross your fingers. (My processor is set to reduced under the Energy Saver settings)

[crap freakboy]

:(

started imacdv 400 this morning, logged in, desktop loaded, turned external lacie fw HD on, opened MPlayer OSX, selected a divx film from its menu, film plays for about 5 seconds then...whoa suddenley I'm at the login screen.

Tried to get this weirdness to repeat itself...seems fine now

[macnews]

I am holding off on updating my 17" iMac as it doesn't really seem to provide much for me. At work, I am running a server that I would like to patch up the ssh hole. Has anyone had any problems with the server update? I am very leary about it as I have the thing loaded with extra drives - half after market ones. Last thing I need is for those to be inaccessable.

[tduality]

I made a quick check and so far no problems with my PM G4/400.

Launchbar, hacks et al. still working fine.

Could'nt make out any performance differences either.

Left it to my wife to run into problems while I'm at work. :D

[Mason]

Originally posted by alphaq619
I just updated to 10.2.8 and I too have noticed a dip in my battery time. It says 92%/1:32!! Should I recalibrate my battery? I'll also check to see if the time is correct. I'm timing the time until it falls asleep. Cross your fingers. (My processor is set to reduced under the Energy Saver settings)

Even though mine said 1:50 left, it actually lasted over 3 hours - and that was while multi-tasking AND charging my ipod. I let mine run all the way down and am letting it recharge. Hopefully, the time remaining will be more accurate now.

[MacsRgr8]

Does anybody know if the new MDD G4s, which supposedly have USB 2 support, now have USB 2 support enabled???

[biscuit]

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Does anybody know if the new MDD G4s, which supposedly have USB 2 support, now have USB 2 support enabled???
Well apparently those Macs can't actually use the USB 2.0 since the controllers are not wired up for it on the motherboard. I read this over at MacNN, supposedly although the controller is a USB 2.0 one Apple (and others) just use them as USB 1.1 as it's the same price. Or something.

Someone mentioned SideTrack earlier, does it work OK with 10.2.8? I can't live without it...

biscuit

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by biscuit
Well apparently those Macs can't actually use the USB 2.0 since the controllers are not wired up for it on the motherboard. I read this over at MacNN, supposedly although the controller is a USB 2.0 one Apple (and others) just use them as USB 1.1 as it's the same price. Or something.
biscuit

Ah... tnx for the info.

[AhmedFaisal]

... Did Steve-o sign a friggin stupid contract with D-Link again because they officially only support their crappy USB Dongle??? I find it pretty rude of Apple towards owners of Pre-Aluminum Powerbooks that they have to use stupid USB Dongles when Apple graciously puts PC-Card Slots into those things. I mean, if they can officially support one stupid USB Dongle, can't they at least support ONE PC-Card like from 3com or Belkin????? Just ONE!!!! Come on Steve-o it can't be that hard....

Ahmed :mad:

[iHack]

Originally posted by electric
No friggen way...

I have had a problem with iphoto not burning photos ever since day one.
My problem was that when I tried to burn a disc within iphoto it would always pop up an alert saying that "there is not enough room on the disc to burn your images, please select less images and try again". I tried less and less images until I had only one left weighing about 400K still no burn. I spent many unfruitful hours looking online for a reason, but gave up. After update? successful burn of over 300 images. yippy. Before, I had to burn the images from the hard drive manually which was a pain because of all the nested directories. Now to get back some of that precious HD space.

For what its worth I have a 400MHZ TIPB with an external firewire smartDisk that came with the PB because Apple was just coming out with the combo drive.

Did I say that I love Apple?


Thomas

Anyone else with such a problem: you can export any selection of pix from iPhoto to a single folder. Just remember to check the option that says keep the original format, otherwise it will re-compress/lose quality. No need to get them from all the different folders.

M.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by biscuit
Someone mentioned SideTrack earlier, does it work OK with 10.2.8? I can't live without it...

biscuit

Yes, it works fine :)

[captainmoomoo]

Hi All,

I updated to 10.2.8 last night on my 12" G4 Powerbook, and now my Linux doesn't work! The machine just powers down early into the boot process. Has anyone else experienced this? I think it may be due to my machine's clock getting messed after this update - after every reboot it tells me I'm in 1970, even though I'm using NTP!

[stid]

After installing 10.2.8 update my Delta Audiocard control panel crash randomly when launched.

I have reinstalled the driver and for now everithing work well.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by ralphh
I got mild scare when I restarted my Ti 500 after upgrading 10.2.6 to 10.2.8: a bunch of Quicktime .mov clips on my desktop had iTunes 4 icons! :eek:

What was really strange was the icons had the word "MOVIE" stamped on them the way the correct quicktime icons would have.

Anyway, restarting again corrected the icons.

BTW, just checked iTunes' resources, and there is an iTunes movie icon. Whatever for? :confused:

Now that's interesting... iTunes Movie Store anyone?

[iHack]

Originally posted by captainmoomoo
Hi All,

I updated to 10.2.8 last night on my 12" G4 Powerbook, and now my Linux doesn't work! The machine just powers down early into the boot process. Has anyone else experienced this? I think it may be due to my machine's clock getting messed after this update - after every reboot it tells me I'm in 1970, even though I'm using NTP!

Weird. I've had that happen to me a couple of times when I just had my 12" powerbook (867 MHz). It didn't happen now with 10.2.8, though.

Slightly of topic: does anyone know if our great BSD-Darwin can be binary compatible with Linux, like the 'real' BSD? That has been an option in e.g. FreeBSD for quite some time now. Would that solve your Linux problem? You would never have to leave OSX again!

M.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by MacsRgr8
Does anybody know if the new MDD G4s, which supposedly have USB 2 support, now have USB 2 support enabled???
I have updated 2 DualG4/1.25/FW800 at work this morning and it doesn't look ke USB 2.0 is supported. At least nothing has changed in that respect on the Apple System Profiler. I don't have any USB 2.0 peripheral so I can't test it.

On a different note (slightly off-topic) has anyone else had problems with finder windows not remembering their display settings (after a reboot), meaning background colour and icon arrangement for example. I've had this problem for a while now and i have no idea how to fix this... Any idea?

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
You're not gonna come hijack my iBook if I tell you are you? Haha. Just kidding. It's just that Oakland seems a little shady at times...

I am here on business and found this place last night. It's called Pacific Coast Brewing Co. on Washington street. Free WI-FI, good food, and great beer....what more can I ask?

By the way, after the update my battery life is slowly creeping up ?!@ Strange. Just hope it doesn't ruin my battery life....it's gonna be a long flight if it does (i.e. I'll suddenly feel like a windows user)...

Hi,

how is it going ? Any problems with the update ? And did you use Combo or just updated from 10.2.6 ?

Cheers

[zebs1972]

I downloaded OS X 10.2.8 using Software Update. I left the machine to it, as it was going to take a while (even with 1MB broadband). I came back to my iMac 30 mins later and it was asleep and it would not wake up. So I reset the machine and waited for it to boot. Got the grey screen with the Apple logo, then the blue screen with the progress meter, then when the password/logon screen was due the machine just displayed a blank blue screen, I could see and move the mouse pointer. There was no logon screen, or menus or icons, could not even eject a CD This happened every time I booted into OS X 10.2.8.

The only options I am faced with is by reinstalling panther but I am scared I will loose all my data by doing that. Or install OS 9.2 which insists on formatting the drive as it can't mount Mac HD 1. Help?

Are there any ways or hacking into OS X maybe even in terminal mode and removing OS 10.2.8 maybe?

[biscuit]

Originally posted by zebs1972
I downloaded OS X 10.2.8 using Software Update. <snip>
The only options I am faced with is by reinstalling panther Did you try installing 10.2.8 on top of Panther (10.3) or something?

Can you boot from a CD at all? Do you have another Mac handy to rescue your files via Target Disk Mode?

biscuit

[MongoTheGeek]

I have a problem since the update (I did it straight from software update)

It seems that my mac doesn't want to see the network now. When I boot from a different disk its okay. None of the network settings seem to have changed. When I ping the router I get Host is down.

Any clues?

[zac4mac]

Ran the update last night and just got my mini-network back up.
I'm connected to a cable modem on a DP550 via ethernet, then to an 800 iBook via AirPort and on to a PM8500 via ethernet. Seems several settings changed, found the culprit a little while ago - iBook thought it was connected via ethernet, not airport. Now the 8500 can see the web and is back to crunching SETI. No other problems noted yet.

Z

[matznentosh]

Two suggestions from previous updates:

1. Run repair permissions from Disk Utilities after the update.

I actually did that, then ran Cocktail - voodoo I suppose, but my Tibook works fine now. If that doesn't work...

2. Use the combo updater, not the Software update method. If that doesn't work...

3. Reinstalll Jaguar 10.2 or whatever your clean version is, then use the combo updater.

[The Grimace]

Originally posted by Nermal
My iBook still kernel panics when I try to connect (via Samba) to my brother's XP machine. You just can't trust XP :rolleyes:

Sorry, but that ain't XPs fault.

(tig)

[The Grimace]

Originally posted by ralphh
BTW, just checked iTunes' resources, and there is an iTunes movie icon. Whatever for? :confused:

Why, the upcoming iTunes Movie Store, of course! :D

(tig)

[mistersquid]

Originally posted by captainmoomoo
Hi All,

I updated to 10.2.8 last night on my 12" G4 Powerbook, and now my Linux doesn't work! The machine just powers down ...........


With all due respect, if you're dual-booting between Mac OS X and Linux I cannot imagine how you would even *begin* to need help from a forum such as this one. alt.comp.linux is where I'd expect you to go. Maybe apple.slashdot.org will have a thread on 10.2.8. (Slashdot has a thread (http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/22/2152204&mode=thread&tid=164&tid=179&tid=185&tid=190).)

As a side question, why are you booting into Linux when you're running OS X? I can't imagine any OSS projects that don't have good representation on OS X, but then again I'm not really a Linux head. (Just curious.)

[Added apple.slashdot.org thread]

[MCroft]

Originally posted by MongoTheGeek
I have a problem since the update (I did it straight from software update)

It seems that my mac doesn't want to see the network now. When I boot from a different disk its okay. None of the network settings seem to have changed. When I ping the router I get Host is down.

Any clues?

I bet you're using a Gigabit Ethernet machine, like my DP 450. What some of us have done is revert the AppleGMACEthernet.kext (in System/Library/Extensions) from the new version 1.3.0 to the 10.2.6 version 1.2.4

This got me back up and running. There are detailed instructions and a link to the 1.2.4 kext on the apple discussion boards.

[prewwii]

Originally posted by Bernd
I have seen it said on several sites like think secreat forums ect that the first time anything is run on 10.2.8 the prebind does not work corectly. they have said word takes 10 sec the fist time to launch and about 2 seconds the secound time it is launched in 10.2.8. I have people saying on one forum that it is faster by about 10% I forget what post it was

I have run disk utility, system optimizer and restarted the system several times. So Memory/system/copy remains about the same approximately 50% slower than 10.2.6.

Has anyone had the same experience?

[moped]

After the update my LCD monitor (ADC-VGA) has gone crazy.
It's syncing in green only.

Anyone has similar problem?

[prewwii]

Originally posted by Bernd
I have seen it said on several sites like think secreat forums ect that the first time anything is run on 10.2.8 the prebind does not work corectly. they have said word takes 10 sec the fist time to launch and about 2 seconds the secound time it is launched in 10.2.8. I have people saying on one forum that it is faster by about 10% I forget what post it was

I tried booting using the Apple Key and holding the S key. When the system arrived at the command line entry point the Keyboard was not active thus eliminating any command line entries.

Has any one else had this problem?

[The Grimace]

Originally posted by zebs1972
I downloaded OS X 10.2.8 using Software Update. I left the machine to it, as it was going to take a while (even with 1MB broadband). I came back to my iMac 30 mins later and it was asleep and it would not wake up. So I reset the machine and waited for it to boot. Got the grey screen with the Apple logo, then the blue screen with the progress meter, then when the password/logon screen was due the machine just displayed a blank blue screen, I could see and move the mouse pointer. There was no logon screen, or menus or icons, could not even eject a CD This happened every time I booted into OS X 10.2.8.

The only options I am faced with is by reinstalling panther but I am scared I will loose all my data by doing that. Or install OS 9.2 which insists on formatting the drive as it can't mount Mac HD 1. Help?

Are there any ways or hacking into OS X maybe even in terminal mode and removing OS 10.2.8 maybe?

You have a couple of options. You could boot into OS 9 via a disk, trash your OS X System and Library folders, and reinstall. If you are worried about losing your "User" folder, rename it for now, and we'll come back to it. Or you could log in under single user mode (reboot and hold down the command and s keys - you'll end up at the command line). You'll probably be asked for a user name and password. Use your regular ones. Type "/sbin/fsck -y" to repair any disk problems (hopefully). Then type "/sbin/mount -wu /" to mount the hard drive. Now try to continue booting by typing "/sbin/SystemStarter". Hopefully you'll be in. If not, e-mail me, and I'll point you to some more info.

As an aside, I feel I must point out that those who warned of the complications of moving to a Unix-based OS were right. Permission problems, wrong icon associations, fixes made at the command line... Yup, they were right.

(tig)

[KCK]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
OK. This has way to many weird things happening to update. I am officially waiting for panther.

I think I will join you in waiting till Panther comes out. It isn't going to be that long a wait is it??

[The Grimace]

Originally posted by KCK
I think I will join you in waiting till Panther comes out. It isn't going to be that long a wait is it??

No, and it'll be worth it. There are some funky bugs, though. I've had the mouse revert to the old 'click-n-hold' style (ala pre-OS 8); in other words, you have to hold the mouse button down to use menus. Also text input boxes, such as the ones used here on MacRumors for message input, tend to 'white-out' instead of properly scrolling, when you type past the bottom of the box. Also, if you install Panther on another partion, like me, then re-boot into Jaguar, some items lose their association and try to open with the Panther version of the appropriate app, which usually doesn't work. This actually makes some sense, though; the OS is just trying to use the lastest version of the appropriate app. The solution is to either open the appropriate app first, or use the "Open with..." option.

I'm sure there are some other funky bugs lurking, but overall it's NICE. And personally, I like the new look.

A point of possible interest: Safari under Panther is at version 1.1 (v100).

(tig)

[fluke]

Originally posted by MongoTheGeek
I have a problem since the update (I did it straight from software update)

It seems that my mac doesn't want to see the network now. When I boot from a different disk its okay. None of the network settings seem to have changed. When I ping the router I get Host is down.

Any clues?


yes... i have the exact same problem. i'm on a 400 mhz sawtooth g4.

edit:

fixed, thanks to andrew. if you have this problem, go to this link. follow the instructions. i booted into classic to swap the file. once i booted back up into osx i clicked "fix and use" on the dialog box.

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@187.bavmaPc7eND.11@.5999d9d9/10

[irmongoose]

My dock is toast.

:(



irmongoose

[edenwaith]

Updating to 10.2.8 killed my ethernet connection last night. I've found I'm hardly the only one. A lot of people around the gigabit era have lost their ethernet, but it isn't just them. Here is a post showing how many people have lost their connection:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@225.JjhlaLFgg45.9@.5999d9d9

Quite a few others are seeming to have problems in booting up properly, too.

I did fix several problems by zapping the PRAM until I heard the start up chime three times. I can now boot into OS 9 again (before it just showed a black screen), and my internet is working again. (Oh, happy days!)

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
Hi,

how is it going ? Any problems with the update ? And did you use Combo or just updated from 10.2.6 ?

Cheers
Well, everything seems OK except for the fact that my battery life has decreased significantly. Apple, please tell us you tested this on a laptop before releasing!!

BTW, I updated directly from 10.2.6 via software update.

Where is Panther?????!@#

[Nsx123]

Originally posted by irmongoose
[B]My dock is toast.


Were you using transparentDock 2.0.2?
If so there is a problem with with using it under 10.2.8, it will reset the dock and won't allow the Dock to show up, you have to manually go into System>library>Coreservices>Dock, and hopefully you made a backup of your old dock just replace the old file with the new one. It took a few seconds but it worked for me. I don't know the problem, but just don't use TransparentDock if you upgraded to 10.2.8 it's bad news for your Dock.

[digitalbiker]

Originally posted by mistersquid
With all due respect, if you're dual-booting between Mac OS X and Linux I cannot imagine how you would even *begin* to need help from a forum such as this one. alt.comp.linux is where I'd expect you to go.


Why the flame about posting here? Like it or not there are a fair number of multi-OS users here, who have not updated yet to 10.2.8. I for one am interested in this post because setting up a separate Linux OS was enough of a chore that I don't want to wipe it out and start over due to a minor OS X update.

Why linux when you can have OS X? Generally my linux OS is more responsive and faster than OSX, I like to support Open OS's and software, I like having a choice of GUI's. There are still a lot more tools and open software available in Linux that aren't available in OS X, especially in the geoscience and engineering fields.;)

[Balin64]

Hey there

This update disabled the built-in Bluetooth in my 12" Pbook. I rebooted a couple of times but no dice. I repaired permissions, still nothing. Then, I reset the Power Manager: Bluetooth back. Freakin' weird.The weird thing is that even at 100% charge, I get only 2 hours according to the calculated time, but I suspect it is higher. Aside from the annoying battery misreport, everything is back to normal.

[DesterWallaboo]

The 10.2.8 update is dandy. Some improvements in UI responsiveness on slower machines is duly noted... though not as speedy as some of the Panther builds.

But one question.

When will we be able to download dual processor G5's over the internet? Do I need more bandwidth? :D

[saabmp3]

So I'm trying to fight the battery problem. I've repaired permissions, reset all of my power management settings to the highest conservation and reset my power manager on the mobo. It seems like part of the problem is that it will not keep the settings that I give it in the software. Besides that I'm down to 1:24 batter at 100%. What's going on here??? I need to use this thing on battery in classes, comon apple!

BEN

[j33pd0g]

Will there be a 10.2.8.1?

[ralphh]

Originally posted by Mason
Even though mine said 1:50 left, it actually lasted over 3 hours - and that was while multi-tasking AND charging my ipod. I let mine run all the way down and am letting it recharge. Hopefully, the time remaining will be more accurate now.

I'm having the same problem with bogus battery life readout, it seems off by exactly a factor of two. My real battery life is unaffected.

There's a lot of flack about this (and the G4 networking issue) over on the MacNN forum. One poster said that the battery recalibration procedure did not help. I'm still waiting for mine to recharge so I can confirm.

[DeusOmnis]

Apple's just forcing us to all buy panther next month, as if we werent going to anyway. lol

[SumDumGuy]

Let's see what 10.2.8 did to my Dual 1Gig machine:

1. Killed my dock.
2. My LiteOn CD burner won't burn.
3. The arrow (mouse pointer disappeared)...?

So I...

1. Was using Transparent dock and didn't make a backup of my original dock (d'oh!). Copied the "Dock.app" over from my iBook and now all is well. Applied ClearDock from Unsanity and now I'm back to a nice clear dock.

2. The driver for the burner was unsupported in the first place, but it worked. Replaced the modified "device-plugin" file and rebooted. Back to normal.

3. I could make the dock magnify, choose menus and icons, etc. but I had to just guess where to click. Rebooted and now it's back to normal as well.

[crees!]

Originally posted by SumDumGuy
[I] rebooted and now it's back to normal as well.

Just when I thought I was getting away from all the nonsense. This sounds more and more like a Windblows users daily life. "Just reboot and it'll be fine"

Sorry, had to introduce the humor though it's really not that funny :D

[iHack]

as of 22:50 CET the knowledge base article is gone and so are links to the update...

According to macbidouille the software update version was pulled slightly earlier...

here's a link (http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-09-23)

[edit] Weird. It's back again. First, macbidouille says it's gone. I check and indeed, it's gone. Actually, the kbase article (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25524) disappeared as I was reading it.

[achmafooma]

Originally posted by Stelliform
I have installed it on 3 macs with no trouble. (iMac 17", TiBook 1Ghz, and iMac CRT Slot loading...)
Same here - 3 Macs, no problem (Power Mac G3 266mhz [beige], Power Mac G4 733mhz [Quicksilver], and iBook 500mhz). Installed the updates around 8:00 this morning (Eastern).

The two G3s were noticeably faster on the first startup. The G4 seemed slower on first boot, but after a permissions repair and another reboot it seems about the same as before the update.

Lots of people are complaining about the battery life on portables. This morning, after the update, my iBook kept telling me I had only an hour or two of life left at full charge. But I went to class like usual this morning and it ran just as long as it has been lately (the computer is almost 2 years old, so battery life is a bit shorter than when I first got it).

Sleeping it when Professors go off on useless tangents (like I usually do) kept me running through 2 and a half classes this morning. That's about the norm for my little iBook.

[applekid]

I'm going to go count my blessings. I had no trouble with this update. Thank goodness.

iMac 800 Mhz G4 17-inch

[MoparShaha]

My ethernet died briefly, but I've been having tons of problems with my home network, so it probably wasn't the update. Also, my startup times are significanly improved on my PowerMac G4.

[Nermal]

Originally posted by The Grimace
Why, the upcoming iTunes Movie Store, of course! :D

(tig)

I think a music video store would be more likely.

[kallykalifornia]

i reset the power manager on my 12" iBook (800) and when it first started up it said 3:30 something (the battery wasn't fully charged) and then I closed the lid and then opened it in class and ta da, back to the weird 10.2.8 battery issue....

close, but no cigar

[Wonder Boy]

so far so good on my blue dalmation g3 imac

[Nsx123]

If any of you had problems with your dock with using transparent dock, there is a fix. transparent dock 2.1 fixes it's issues with 10.2.8. All is well now..heres a link.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11295

[Bunzi2k4]

dang my battery life went down about 30 mins!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! so instead of 2:00 to 2:10, its at 1:40!!!!! i'm gonna time it and see how long it takes for the battery to go out.... i'll post again, but so far i'm not happy at all

[Bunzi2k4]

ok its been about 2 hours and i have 23% left on my powerbook 12" (867) and i've noticed, that my computer doesn't heat up as much..... has any1 else noticed this with a powerbook 12"?

[davetrow1997]

Installed 10.2.8, had some interesting changes to my system:

Everything looked "grainy." windows, etc. Checked displays and colors had been changed from millions to thousands. A quick switch back resolved the problem.

Also had issues with desktop icons/they were outlined with a thick black line. Resolved with 2d reboot.

System: 800mhz imac

[ARKHAM]

M-Audio has published updated drivers for its Revolution PCI audio card.

I haven't been able to try them out myself, but I thought I would let others know-

pwc

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by DeusOmnis
Wonderful, now my sound card doesnt work... M-Audio Revolution. Thanks Apple, I appreciate how the Mac doesnt come w/ a sound card, and you make sure to disable the one I have.

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/24/revolution/

[Rick65000]

I have a 600mhz, 640 mb, iBook.

I've noticed improved menu responsiveness for AW, and improved browsing on ebay after installing the 10.2.8 update.

Nothing was lost as far as my system setting go. But, There is no noticable improvement in the way Office:mac works.

Some of my cookies seems to have been eaten.

I connect throug a KVM at work to an old Nobilis 1770A display, at home I use a 19" ViewSonic VP191b through a N5 video processor.

[Alte22a]

Man feels like my battery is dead doesn't even charge. Just sit here and wait for a 2.8 fix. :( Now I am just cloning my desktop to my PB. I've done everything there is to do.....reset the NVram, fresh install to 10.2.3 then update to 10.2.6 etc. GUTTED!! What a way to spend the day off. However Desktop Dual 500 works fine.

[mishka]

My recent items menu won't show any recent items...It's preferences were changed by the update to show none and if I change them they still don't show any and when I log out it changes the preferences back to none.

Also I can no longer move items with my mouse...I'm on an ibook...neither the inbuilt nor external mouse will move items.

Any ideas on how to fix it?

EDIT: just to clarify the mouse issue...it will move windows but not icons on the desktop, in the dock or files in a finder window.

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by mishka
My recent items menu won't show any recent items...It's preferences were changed by the update to show none and if I change them they still don't show any and when I log out it changes the preferences back to none.

Also I can no longer move items with my mouse...I'm on an ibook...neither the inbuilt nor external mouse will move items.

Any ideas on how to fix it?

Repair permissions, maybe? Try a restart after that... I would also check and see if your HD is on the fritz.

[mishka]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
Repair permissions, maybe? Try a restart after that... I would also check and see if your HD is on the fritz.

It turns out it was an issue with the /System/Library/CoreServices/coreservicesd file...which I replaced with a copy from another computer and now all is well.

[Doctor Q]

How did you find THAT out?

[mishka]

Originally posted by Doctor Q
How did you find THAT out?

I found out about it on this (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030531184641335) macosxhints page.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Alte22a
Man feels like my battery is dead doesn't even charge. Just sit here and wait for a 2.8 fix. :( Now I am just cloning my desktop to my PB. I've done everything there is to do.....reset the NVram, fresh install to 10.2.3 then update to 10.2.6 etc. GUTTED!! What a way to spend the day off. However Desktop Dual 500 works fine.
Which version of 10.2.8 you got?

[Alte22a]

All my Apples are on the latest version of OSX 10.2.8 and everything is running fine...

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Alte22a
All my Apples are on the latest version of OSX 10.2.8 and everything is running fine...
Apart from that battery problem, right?
I don't believe that the actual battery charge can be physically affected by the OS update. However, the battery monitor might need to be recalibrated. You need to charge it to the full (until the light on the power plug goes green) and then let it discharge to the full (when the comp goes to sleep on its own because there is not enough power for it to keep running). While it's asleep on low battery, plug the power cord back in and charge it to the full.

Let's see how that works...

[Alte22a]

I didn't believe that an update could affect the battery, until I took my laptop out. It was flat as soon as I open it on the road. This was soon as I updated it to the first version of 10.2.8, my girlfriend reported that she wasnt getting more than an hour from her 867 Alubook and also my friend from his Ti. Looked around on the net and found people with similar problems. Then as soon as 10.2.8 revision came about everything was fixed. I started to panic cause I thought my battery had died. But everything is fine now. But in the 10.2.8 revision they mention about battery problems being fixed....