Poll: What is your opinion of the Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update? [Archive]

Bunzi2k4

Sep 23, 2003, 01:15 AM

well i have found no real improvments on 10.2.8, although things do seem a bit slower, i don't really mind, but my g4 powerbook seems to be now just a tad faster than my imac g3 350... o well it seems like i can type faster than the screen can show now....? wait this computer is only 4 months old!!!! NNNOOOOO that isn't supposed to happen!!! i only type 38 words a minute!!!! well i think this is a little bit slower, but i haven't turned my computer off since i've updated so mayb if i turn it off or something like that, there will be a difference.....

alphaone

Sep 23, 2003, 01:35 AM

This is my opinion: blah. ;)

Can't wait for Panther!:D

simX

Sep 23, 2003, 01:38 AM

The guys over at macpolls.com seem to be really reaching for poll topics. How about another on the topic of a one-button mouse, just to see if anyone has changed their minds? :rolleyes:

Doctor Q

Sep 23, 2003, 02:07 AM

You are free to suggest better topics. Send them to ideas@macpolls.com. How 'bout a poll on whether the poll topics are excellent/outstanding/fair/poor?

MoparShaha

Sep 23, 2003, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Q
...How 'bout a poll on whether the poll topics are excellent/outstanding/fair/poor? lol :D. Actually, I think the polls are quite good.

MCroft

Sep 23, 2003, 02:47 AM

I had a serious failure with 10.2.8. It killed my ethernet's 10-T half duplex capabilities. I've reverted that .kext, but that's probably beyond novice users, who may not have a second machine to log on with to get the "downgrade" anyway.

Once I fixed that, it's been fine, but I can't say it didn't have major problems.

KAKOsc

Sep 23, 2003, 04:16 AM

eh? An update?
well judging by the info site, it seems to be only for bluetooth, ibook and powerbook users.
But security updates do appeal to me, as do safari updates, because, well, safari is the most unstable piece of crap software i have ever used. I just hate IE because it looks bad and all my bookmarks are in safari
So do i install the update?
I'm on a dial up connection and would prefer not to download a 40 meg file unnessarily.

nagromme

Sep 23, 2003, 05:07 AM

Most polls seem to be just for fun, while this one actually seems useful as an indicator of how cautiously to approach an update.

I hope they do this for every update, so I can see the early-adopter experiences nicely summarized! And if there are many votes indicating problems, I can then dig deeper.

Nermal

Sep 23, 2003, 05:47 AM

I installed it, and while it hasn't done anything spectacular, it has fixed a couple of small problems I've been having eg. the clicking iBook problem). Using F4/F5 to adjust volume still doesn't work properly though :(

punter

Sep 23, 2003, 06:40 AM

by reading another forum I got the impression most people were having troubles with the upgrade, but by looking at this poll you see it's only 3% (at this stage).

So now I think I will upgrade, even if I do lose my transparent dock.

whfsdude

Sep 23, 2003, 06:43 AM

Fixed the popping sound in the ibooks.

Fixed the sound where it would freeze the computer for 20 seconds when adjusting volume.

It also seems faster on both my machines.

KAKOsc

Sep 23, 2003, 07:23 AM

I havent voted yet, so i couldnt get an indication of how many people were satisfied with it.
Loose the transparent dock?
Whats it replaced by?
Why would they make it a solid/opaque colour?

KAKOsc

Sep 23, 2003, 07:32 AM

On second thoughts (after safari crashing again when i wanted to use the delete key) i think the update would be worth it even if it rendered my computer useless except for a working safari
I am SOOO fed up with this unstable, not liking delete or arrow keys safari. Who's with me?
That should be a poll
Who thinks safari is an unstable peice of crap and what lengths would you go through to obtain a stable version of it?

Unstable - would walk through hot coals and broken glass to get a stable version
...
...
...
...
Stable - its the best peice of software ever released!

and of course it would have to include:
i dont use safari because it sucks
i dont use safari because i have no desire to use it
i dont have a mac but just read mac polls for cheap thrills

by the way, i do realise i should send poll suggestions to that email address quoted before, but if you think that i am being serious you are really sad and dont talk to me.

Centris 650

Sep 23, 2003, 07:58 AM

Well, things SEEM a little snappier but I can't tell if it really IS snappier or if I've just bought into what everyone else is saying. Though I swear Safari seems to boot faster...

nagromme

Sep 23, 2003, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by KAKOsc
Loose the transparent dock?
Whats it replaced by?
Why would they make it a solid/opaque colour?

Apple didn't change anything. The transparent dock they mean is a hack, which removes the Dock background entirely. After 10.2.8, it looks "normal" again, breaking the hack.

supercres

Sep 23, 2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by Bunzi2k4
... i haven't turned my computer off since i've updated so mayb if i turn it off or something like that, there will be a difference.....

Yeah, had the same problem until i restarted. No wonder they tell us to do that... ;)

scem0

Sep 23, 2003, 09:14 AM

I use windows :(.

scem0

Bear

Sep 23, 2003, 09:38 AM

I wonder how many people who had problems had hacks installed?

Repairing permissions seems to fix some of the issues.

As usual, everyone seems to have a different experience with an upgrade.

My Powerbook seems fine so far. I'll update my desktop system after a few days just to play it safe.

P-Worm

Sep 23, 2003, 10:14 AM

Transparent Dock killed my dock under 10.2.8. Do not use it! My dock is gone and trying to restore does nothing. I repeat, do NOT use 'Transparent Dock!'

P-Worm

gopher

Sep 23, 2003, 10:33 AM

And it is precisely because of transparent Dock I'll wait to install it. First I need to get a replacement backup drive as my old one accidentally got knocked over and now has major errors.
Once that's all backed up, I will Archive and Install and NOT preserve user and network settings so I can get a fresh Dock. Then I will combo update 10.2.8. Thank goodness cable internet is working. I installed transparent Dock on my machine awhile ago, and I'm glad many have realized it is buggy in response to 10.2.8.

TEG

Sep 23, 2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by P-Worm
Transparent Dock killed my dock under 10.2.8. Do not use it! My dock is gone and trying to restore does nothing. I repeat, do NOT use 'Transparent Dock!'

P-Worm

Works fine for me. Restore the Dock first, then adjust your settings, and restart the dock. It works fine.

TEG

wdlove

Sep 23, 2003, 11:51 AM

I don't use Mac OS X, still running 9.2.2. Waiting for my new G5 to run Mac OS X, hopefully it will be Panther!

Bunzi2k4

Sep 23, 2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by KAKOsc
On second thoughts (after safari crashing again when i wanted to use the delete key) i think the update would be worth it even if it rendered my computer useless except for a working safari
I am SOOO fed up with this unstable, not liking delete or arrow keys safari. Who's with me?
That should be a poll
Who thinks safari is an unstable peice of crap and what lengths would you go through to obtain a stable version of it?

Unstable - would walk through hot coals and broken glass to get a stable version
...
...
...
...
Stable - its the best peice of software ever released!

and of course it would have to include:
i dont use safari because it sucks
i dont use safari because i have no desire to use it
i dont have a mac but just read mac polls for cheap thrills

by the way, i do realise i should send poll suggestions to that email address quoted before, but if you think that i am being serious you are really sad and dont talk to me.
hey that's happened to me, pressing the delete key on safari and it force quits on me... the first second time i rebooted, it seems to be going at normal speed, nothing faster nothing slower...

j33pd0g

Sep 23, 2003, 12:20 PM

This is what happens when I press the delete key: I go back one page. I couldn't get my Safari to crash. What am I doing wrong? Actually, my Safari has been more stable than IE, or even the OS.

plastree

Sep 23, 2003, 12:37 PM

Safari is probably the most stable browser I've ever used. The number of problem sites I run into is negligible, and if it happens to crash, big whoop, it restarts in 2 seconds! 10.2.8 has done nothing noticeable for me, which is mostly good, because I wasn't having any significant problems in the first place, except:

Windows still refuse to come to the front when I click on them every once in awhile. Classic is pretty flaky, and I have screen refresh issues with some Classic apps, namely Quark. An os9 machine in my network can't access my puter, although the other one can (could be the os9 puter's problem). And, the "Hide Others" key command only works when it feels like it, that is to say, about 75% of the time.

electric

Sep 23, 2003, 12:46 PM

For me on a PBTI 400,

A tad faster, fixed a burn problem with iPhoto. has not fixed a problem with external monitor resolution, Changes the resolution to 800 X 600 if the monitor power is off during start or wake up. It's like the OS forgets my settings and trys to detect resolution and defalts to the lowest setting.
have not experienced any other problems.

pbooktebo

Sep 23, 2003, 01:03 PM

I know every poll has a "where's this choice?" but my first response on reading the poll was: "so far, so good."

On the plus side, I haven't had any problems, and maybe I do detect a slight increase in rendering menus from the Applications folder I've placed in my dock, but I also think that it will be a few days or even weeks before I've tried enough stuff to know what is really working or what problems there are.

I am, however, particularly worried about battery issues, which I've seen mentioned a lot. As a Ph.D. student working on an ethnographic study, I need 3+ hours of battery for field work every day. I have a new battery that was getting 3-4 hours (400Mhz TiBook), now it's saying 2:24 on a full charge. Yikes! Hopefully this will be addressed soon (or perhaps Panther will be here soon).

mc68k

Sep 23, 2003, 02:20 PM

it screwed up our eMac lab image machine

i'm having to rebuild it now...:(

all the other machines updated well, including my 9600/466

EDIT: did it twice...at least this time i can boot and fix it

bousozoku

Sep 23, 2003, 02:29 PM

Seems fine to me. Boot times seem marginally improved, not that I do that often, but it stays on the initial gray screen less.

I've noticed that folding@home on the G3 is about 7 percent faster.

It has not corrected the FTP problem that was recently introduced. I can no longer connect to my websites using Adobe GoLive.

Snowy_River

Sep 23, 2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by KAKOsc
eh? An update?
well judging by the info site, it seems to be only for bluetooth, ibook and powerbook users.
But security updates do appeal to me, as do safari updates, because, well, safari is the most unstable piece of crap software i have ever used. I just hate IE because it looks bad and all my bookmarks are in safari
So do i install the update?
I'm on a dial up connection and would prefer not to download a 40 meg file unnessarily.

and

Originally posted by KAKOsc
On second thoughts (after safari crashing again when i wanted to use the delete key) i think the update would be worth it even if it rendered my computer useless except for a working safari
I am SOOO fed up with this unstable, not liking delete or arrow keys safari. Who's with me?
That should be a poll
Who thinks safari is an unstable peice of crap and what lengths would you go through to obtain a stable version of it?

...

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who is surprized by your experience of Safari. Mine is that Safari is a remarkably stable browser. On a rare occasion I come across a page that doesn't render properly, but then I just launch Camino. For all of my primary browsing I use Safari, and I can't remember the last time it crashed.

Snowy_River

Sep 23, 2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by nagromme
Apple didn't change anything. The transparent dock they mean is a hack, which removes the Dock background entirely. After 10.2.8, it looks "normal" again, breaking the hack.

Well. the update, I presume, restores the background images that the Dock uses. The question is, can they be set back to transparent...

Originally posted by P-Worm
Transparent Dock killed my dock under 10.2.8. Do not use it! My dock is gone and trying to restore does nothing. I repeat, do NOT use 'Transparent Dock!'

P-Worm

Hmm.... This doesn't look encouraging. But then we have

Originally posted by TEG
Works fine for me. Restore the Dock first, then adjust your settings, and restart the dock. It works fine.

TEG

Yikes. Will it work for my computer, or not? Or should I just wait until Panther comes out? Hmm... Decisions, decisions...

MacFan25

Sep 23, 2003, 03:25 PM

Haven't installed it yet. But, I'm sure it will take forever to download on my dial-up connection. :p

uhlawboi80

Sep 23, 2003, 03:41 PM

well lets see...it took every word document on my desktop and turned them into icon-less items that auto open in virex, it ******** up all of my shortcuts to network drives. i couldnt cntrl-click to eject them and when i dragged them to the trash to eject them they disappeared totally!

Apple has realllly pissed me off this time!

gopher

Sep 23, 2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by pbooktebo
I know every poll has a "where's this choice?" but my first response on reading the poll was: "so far, so good."

On the plus side, I haven't had any problems, and maybe I do detect a slight increase in rendering menus from the Applications folder I've placed in my dock, but I also think that it will be a few days or even weeks before I've tried enough stuff to know what is really working or what problems there are.

I am, however, particularly worried about battery issues, which I've seen mentioned a lot. As a Ph.D. student working on an ethnographic study, I need 3+ hours of battery for field work every day. I have a new battery that was getting 3-4 hours (400Mhz TiBook), now it's saying 2:24 on a full charge. Yikes! Hopefully this will be addressed soon (or perhaps Panther will be here soon).

I hope you get this since you aren't allowing PMs. There is a whole discussion about this topic on the http://discussions.info.apple.com/

A new battery only getting 2:24 is not a good sign. You may need to reset your power manager. Look up reset power manager on the http://www.apple.com/support/ page. You could also have a slightly frayed power adapter that just isn't getting the full charge into the battery causing a slow leak as it is trying to charge it. And sometimes the capacitor that handles the charge necessary for PRAM settings simply has worn out. Once exhausting all possible options, call http://www.powerbookresq.com/ as they may be able to fix your power manager to better satisfaction. Sometimes those just wear out.

Dale Sorel

Sep 23, 2003, 04:02 PM

My USB connection on my keyboard now sees my digital camera consistently :D

DeusOmnis

Sep 23, 2003, 04:05 PM

I take it no one else is having trouble with their sound cards? or am i the only one who has one...?

bousozoku

Sep 23, 2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by MacFan25
Haven't installed it yet. But, I'm sure it will take forever to download on my dial-up connection. :p

Took me three hours. :D I divide that by three drives though, so it was only an hour each.

DeusOmnis:

My M-Audio sonica is external but is working fine with it.

I haven't noticed any differences with my USB 2.0 card yet, which I read might work differently.

gopher

Sep 24, 2003, 12:04 AM

I decided to wait because I didn't have a backup ready yet. What a lucky break:

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/1028pulled/

Doctor Q

Sep 24, 2003, 12:15 AM

I have an idea for a new poll:

Now, what is your opinion of the Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update?

dkeyser

Sep 24, 2003, 12:40 AM

After killing my G4/dual 450, the one with the wrong chip set on the ethernet card, I hacked my self back to life. I have little to say other than "watch it bubba" don't screw with the public. Amazing that Apple pulled the update with no comment. The least they could do is say "sorry" we'll be back! No fixes, no help. Good thing there are some smart users out there who know how to undo this mess Apple dished out to us unsuspecting users. This will be the last time I down load updates as they come.

macnews

Sep 24, 2003, 04:19 AM

Normally I am quick to do updates. Wasn't so with 10.2.8. Glad I did now. At first not many people were saying they had problems with the 17" imac (home machine) or for OS X server (after its updated was released).

Now I am hearing about problems with some imacs not rebooting and the OSX server listserve is jammed with msgs on the update topic. From the server side, most seem to be having lost network connection problems.

Either way, it seems like a 50/50 shot of it messing with a machine. I am going to wait it out. Not worth my time to have to fix a "fix." Now, if Apple would give me Panther for free, maybe....

chewbaccapits

Sep 24, 2003, 11:29 AM

[EDIT] Remark Pulled.

Lancetx

Sep 24, 2003, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Q
I have an idea for a new poll:

Now, what is your opinion of the Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update?

Well, after factoring out those who didn't install or don't have OS X, 89.4% of those that say they installed it thought things were either the same or better afterwards. Unless people weren't being truthful in the poll then that seems to be the prevailing opinion. Thankfully, I'm among that 89.4% out there. :)