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MacRumors
Sep 23, 2003, 05:24 AM
A couple of anecdotal reports have commented on iMac and eMac boot problems with 10.2.8.

Any successful or unsuccessful installs on these machines?



centauratlas
Sep 23, 2003, 05:28 AM
As a data point, 10.2.8 installed and runs fine on a 1Ghz iMac (17 inch LCD). Also on two G4s (dual 800 and 867), an older 9600 with a Sonnet upgrade. That is all I have tested so far.

Swinny
Sep 23, 2003, 05:34 AM
Installed on 1GHz iMac, no noticeable problems as of yet.

rdowns
Sep 23, 2003, 05:47 AM
Installed fine, none of the problems noted in Page 1 thread.

First reboot was slow, rebooted again and was noticeably faster. Same for launching many applications. First launch, kind of slow. Much faster after second launch.

zebs1972
Sep 23, 2003, 05:48 AM
I downloaded OS X 10.2.8 using Software Update. I left the machine to it, as it was going to take a while (even with 1MB broadband). I came back to my iMac 30 mins later and it was asleep and it would not wake up. So I reset the machine and waited for it to boot. Got the grey screen with the Apple logo, then the blue screen with the progress meter, then when the password/logon screen was due the machine just displayed a blank blue screen, I could see and move the mouse pointer. There was no logon screen, or menus or icons, could not even eject a CD This happened every time I booted into OS X 10.2.8.

The only options I am faced with is by reinstalling panther but I am scared I will loose all my data by doing that. Or install OS 9.2 which insists on formatting the drive as it can't mount Mac HD 1. Help?

Are there any ways or hacking into OS X maybe even in terminal mode and removing OS 10.2.8 maybe?

I have a 2002 G4 iMac 800Mhz with 256MB RAM

danielgrenell
Sep 23, 2003, 06:13 AM
works fine on my 800 ibook.

as for the person above me, just do an archive install of jaguar, you won't loose any data.

gorman
Sep 23, 2003, 06:18 AM
I've had the same problem with 10.2.8 as the person two posts above. Sadly, an archive install does _not_ resolve the problem. You can boot up if you hold down shift to disable extensions, which will let you backup whatever you need. I've tried so many things in single user mode to get it working, but alas, nothing has worked. Installing Panther (archive install again) even produced the same results.

Zapping the P-RAM didn't work, clearing the open bios didn't, etc.

I'm about to try a clean install.

hobbes3113
Sep 23, 2003, 06:41 AM
No problems with my 1ghz imac. Everything is rumming smoothly...

TheFish
Sep 23, 2003, 06:46 AM
i downloaded it on my 800mhz 17" imac, ive noticed no problems. the boot time was a bit slower though.

ckwm
Sep 23, 2003, 07:14 AM
800 mHz, 17" iMac.

Works just fine.

iHack
Sep 23, 2003, 07:19 AM
My friend owns a 15" TiBook 1Ghz - any known problems? Or can I advise him to update? As a professional photographer he can't do without his TiBook, so we don't want to take any chances.

BTW Both my 17" LCD iMac and my 12" PoBo are running smoothly. The thread is getting repetitive: 1st boot and start of programs slower, after that it seems at least as fast as is was before.

M.

backspinner
Sep 23, 2003, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by zebs1972
The only options I am faced with is by reinstalling panther Maybe that's why Panther is still a beta?

iPegboy
Sep 23, 2003, 07:30 AM
It was really slow reboot after the install, on my 600 iBook with 256 RAM...so I'm keepign it off while I'm at work today. I'm confident by reports here, the reboot a second time will be faster...we'll see.

centauratlas
Sep 23, 2003, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by zebs1972
The only options I am faced with is by reinstalling panther but I am scared I will loose all my data by doing that.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying, but given that you say "reinstall" it would seem to indicated that a Panther beta or alpha was installed on that machine along with (perhaps on a different partition?) 10.2.x. Perhaps it is a problem with Panther and 10.2.8 not being able to co-exist peacefully on the same drive/machine? Panther is beta so I don't think it is unexpected that one needs to be really careful when running an "older" (e.g. 10.2.8) update on a machine with a "newer" beta (e.g. 10.3 beta). I didn't see anything in the notes that would indicate driver updates or something like that, but you never know...good luck!

gsdali
Sep 23, 2003, 07:43 AM
Powerbook G3 500Mhz FW

No Problems here, although desktop and Mail.app preferences were lost (although this has happened before without any upgrades going on)

At the very least one should back up one's preferences.

gaijinjim
Sep 23, 2003, 07:44 AM
Like zebs1972, I downloaded and installed 10.2.8 thru Software Update and then faced a blank screen upon returning to my FW800 PMG4 to do the customary reboot. Had to shut off the machine by holding down the power button. Was able to reboot and login, but didn't get a chance to play with it yet. (Upgraded from 10.2.6.)
However, this type of thing is starting to scare me about Apple's Quality Control. Seems like they are starting to turn into M$. Been dealing with the Airport Extreme 5.1.1 firmware issue for over a month now. (If you haven't heard about it, there is a major BUG in the firmware that will cut off your internet connection after 30mins or so depending upon usage.) Apple has known about this one but still hasn't fixed anything yet.

sjz55
Sep 23, 2003, 07:46 AM
Installed ok on an IMAC 1ghz 17in 1gb ram.

First boot slow..log on slow...internet was slow...rebooted and things were fine...Machine on all night ...It was great this morning..

Steve

DrDookie01
Sep 23, 2003, 08:07 AM
iMac 1.25 Ghz, everything O.K.

iHack
Sep 23, 2003, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by gaijinjim
Like zebs1972, I downloaded and installed 10.2.8 thru Software Update and then faced a blank screen upon returning to my FW800 PMG4 to do the customary reboot. Had to shut off the machine by holding down the power button. Was able to reboot and login, but didn't get a chance to play with it yet. (Upgraded from 10.2.6.) However, this type of thing is starting to scare me about Apple's Quality Control. Seems like they are starting to turn into M$.

snip.

Same here. it seems you should not have you mac fall asleep after running the update and before rebooting. The problem is minor really. After the hard reboot, everything is fine and dandy.
NO WAY you can compare this to M$ crap. After being a PC poweruser for many years, all this mac stuff is trivial. To a former PC user, many Mac users are lazy whiners. I don't think it is strange that when core parts of the OS are changed you run a risk of having differences between what's in the RAM and what's on the HD, really. Such discrepancies can cause a computer to freeze. It's not possible to just update *everything* loaded in RAM - that's why you need a reboot.
I read a nice post by Powerbook G5 a while ago about his uneasy feeling after switching: nothing to tweak, no low level setting to correct for that one card to work: this can't be right. This is so recognisable! To me at first it was a bit of a disappointment that everything on the Mac just worked. I kinda liked fiddling with my Dell, which at the time I got it was a very cool machine (PIII-450, win2k). Figuring out how to trick the system into actually working can be very rewarding.
And I just got a steering wheel and pedals to use in racing games (a gift by the sponsors of F1 driver Jos Verstappen). It has a booklet with an extensive procedure for installing and calibrating the thing on windoze. I plugged it into my iMac and it just worked. period. And no apparent need for calibration. Cool! I can just plug it in and play! It didn't even ask for a driver! It didn't fire up internet explorer to be registered! I love my Mac.

M.

PS. In Dutch, a del (same pronunciation, one L) is a slutty girl (not quite a slut anyway). I know some geeks who like to say they are playing with a del on their desk all the time.

Sonofhaig
Sep 23, 2003, 08:19 AM
No problems. This little cutie is a trooper!
I know she's on the older side.....but I love her. :D

eyeluvmyimac
Sep 23, 2003, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by zebs1972
I downloaded OS X 10.2.8 using Software Update. I left the machine to it, as it was going to take a while (even with 1MB broadband). I came back to my iMac 30 mins later and it was asleep and it would not wake up. So I reset the machine and waited for it to boot. Got the grey screen with the Apple logo, then the blue screen with the progress meter, then when the password/logon screen was due the machine just displayed a blank blue screen

I had the same EXACT occurance, however, mine displayed the login screen. Besides that everything was the same. I don't know what to tell u but best of luck.

moosecat
Sep 23, 2003, 08:48 AM
Hmm... Sounds like I'll be on 10.2.6 until Panther. I don't want to run the risk of these hassles, for questionable benefit.

Golem
Sep 23, 2003, 08:53 AM
Updated 3 Ti book 667 an imac 800 a G4 800 Tower,dual 533 tower and no problems.

gorman
Sep 23, 2003, 08:55 AM
Okay, if you are having the problem where your computer will simply not boot, I think I've found the solution.

Dust off your hardware test cd, boot from it (hold down c), and then run the extended test. This will take about half an hour, depending on how much ram you have, but should resolve the problem.

I have no clue if this erased some bad data in the ram or what, but after hours of trying various things, this fixed it.

Good luck :)

Lancetx
Sep 23, 2003, 09:00 AM
I updated this morning using the 10.2.8 combo updater and my eMac is doing just fine. I repaired permissions both before and after updating and haven't noticed any issues or problems...

gaijinjim
Sep 23, 2003, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by iHack
...NO WAY you can compare this to M$ crap. After being a PC poweruser for many years, all this mac stuff is trivial. To a former PC user, many Mac users are lazy whiners...

Okay, love the fact that I was called a whiner. I have been a Mac user since almost day one. First Mac in 1986. The thing with using a Mac is the fact that Apple has always been great with their quality control. They control both the hardware and software to ensure that the computer/OS work properly together. That is the thing that makes Macs superior over PCs. It works; people are not forced to try and figure things out and pray that they work.

However, I have never had the black screen occur since I have used Software Update even when it was buggy in 10.0. Also, the Mac did not fall asleep after the installation. I stepped away from the computer for less than five minutes, less than the time set for it to sleep.

And obviously you have not been dealing constantly with Apple trying to resolve the Airport Extreme issue. Crud I even sent them a tcpdump of my network traffic so they could inspect the packets to determine what is going on.

And if you read the post, you would notice that I didn't compare Apple to M$, but stated that Apple is headed down the same path that M$ took, in the fact that the current software releases are not up to par with the quality Apple has been known.

Later.

mikeyredk
Sep 23, 2003, 09:17 AM
have any of you with problems tried disk utility from your mac os cd?

Rocketman
Sep 23, 2003, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by iHack
Same here. it seems you should not have you mac fall asleep after running the update and before rebooting. The problem is minor really. After the hard reboot, everything is fine and dandy.


My TiPBG4-400 reliably hard freezes if I put it to sleep before remote access has fully and completely gone into idle mode. No quick log-off and close the case while computer shuts down even that process.

Whenever we see a hard freeze related to sleep one wonders if it is not the sleep utility that has a bug. It may be Apple either is not getting enough sleep bug reports or that it is a problem as difficult to find as the Airport Estreme firmware x.1.1 bug.

Rocketman

davy the bunny
Sep 23, 2003, 09:34 AM
My computer did also fall asleep after the installation, I made sure to turn off sleep because I needed my computer to download and install all last night (the wonders of dial-up). This morning when I hit the spacebar to wake it up, it didn't wake up immediately. About 15 seconds later the screen flashed on and then went back off, so I just banged on the keyboard for a little while longer. When it didn't do anything I left it alone and went and brushed my teeth and washed my face and lo and behold when I came back the computer was up and telling me to restart.

It took a while to boot that first time but I rebooted it again and it seemed just fine. Umm. . . so my point is. . . wait longer for it to wake up! Or maybe I just got lucky. . .

btw, this is on a 700mHz eMac CDRW

TEG
Sep 23, 2003, 09:49 AM
My TiBook 500 is at least twice as fast as it was before. I think part of that may be that the optimization look 20min. Possibily, OSX now uses my full complement of RAM, shrinking the swap file, and making the machine respond faster. Its also possible, that 10.2.8 finally setup the AGP bus to start borrowing memory from the internal memory, like its suppossed to .

TEG

rjeffreyproctor
Sep 23, 2003, 10:00 AM
10.2.8 worked great on my ghz tiBook, and made my Tangerine g3 400 Imac very responsive.

Still cannot wait for Panther though!!!!

Jeff P

edenwaith
Sep 23, 2003, 10:20 AM
The good news about 10.2.8 is that Virtual PC does not seem to freeze the entire system now. That is a good thing.

The very horrible thing is my internet no longer works! Even when booting up, it just hangs when trying to initialize the network. My internet was working just fine until I installed 10.2.8! If anyone knows how I can fix this problem, please suggest a solution! I'm currently using my iBook, so I'm not completely computerless right now.

macmonster
Sep 23, 2003, 11:29 AM
Install went very well but I lost all file association to my Microsoft Office and other applications. Docs on the desktop show up as blank page icons. Did not have time last night to mess with it.

This is on a iMac 800 FP.

fahlman
Sep 23, 2003, 11:40 AM
Has anyone installed 10.2.8 on an Rev. C iMac (266MHz)? I have one. It contains all our accounting information for our small company. I will back up anything important before installing the update, so losing the information is not a problem, but reinstalling OS X and all the applicaions is something that my schedule doesn't permit. Maybe I should wait. Any advice?

physicsnerd
Sep 23, 2003, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by edenwaith

The very horrible thing is my internet no longer works!

You're not the only one have trouble with the internet. I'm getting a really wierd bug. When I boot my TiBook 1ghz, it doesn't find my wireless network anymore. Get this, if I unplug my linksys router and plug it back in, 10.2.8 finds it instantly. I've never had this problem until I installed 10.2.8. Is anyone having similar problems?

avvpiras
Sep 23, 2003, 12:13 PM
As for the previous updates, I have downloaded the standalone 10.2.8 combo installer, in order to have a fresh new update directly from the original Jaguar 10.2.
The first restart after the update has been a little slow, with a quite long delay (blank blue screen) after completing the progress bar and before the login screen.
Immediately after completing the startup, I ran Disk Utility to repair permissions, then I made another restart, that has been quite snappy and without any problems.
Everything seems to work well, Safary seems noticeably faster at startup and when loading pages.

chazmox
Sep 23, 2003, 12:16 PM
Installed on a 15 inch FP iMac - 800 MHz. No problems.

Currently installing on a AL 15 PB - the install hangs while loading. This has happenned twice. Not sure if this is the same issue, but I may cancel the upload and wait until these issues are sorted out.

gopher
Sep 23, 2003, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by fahlman
Has anyone installed 10.2.8 on an Rev. C iMac (266MHz)? I have one. It contains all our accounting information for our small company. I will back up anything important before installing the update, so losing the information is not a problem, but reinstalling OS X and all the applicaions is something that my schedule doesn't permit. Maybe I should wait. Any advice?

Wouldn't even try. Without Firewire or SCSI possible on that machine without at least a $350 upgrade, you are better off getting a Blue and White G3 or better to run Mac OS X. No Firewire means no fast reliable backups. No reliable backups mean you need to keep your operating system pristine clean except for Apple software and no third party hacks or utilities that might break during the next software update. And if they do break you want to as quickly as possible recover to the last system version update.

JasonGutierrez
Sep 23, 2003, 01:40 PM
I noticed that the ScreenSaver preference is dead, or dead slow. It was taking a super long time to recognize that I even had screen savers in the library. I think there is a problem with the sleep. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see another update in the next few days.

Strangely enough this only happened on one of my three Macs.
10.2.8 server seems to be unaffected.

matttichenor
Sep 23, 2003, 01:48 PM
I experienced that Blue Screen and no login on two Powermacs with one of the previous 10.2.x updates. I seem to remeber it being a permissions problem, but the long and the short of it was that I then bought DiskWarrior and it has been a lifesaver. It solves a lot of these problems right away and keeps the system optimised. This coming from a guy who never, ever uses utilities (Norton SUX). I couldn't recomend DiskWarrior enough, it totally rocks and is well worth having close to any Mac.


m

ALoLA
Sep 23, 2003, 01:54 PM
Used Software Update to update to 10.2.8 on my 800 MHz G4 15" iMac and my 266 MHz G3 (upgraded to 500 MHz w/Firewire) tangerine iMac. Both running fine with no problems.

JasonGutierrez
Sep 23, 2003, 02:00 PM
After running the hardware test disk (extended) and rebooting, nothing happened. This really sucks. I'm having to write this post from a peecee while my TI decides what to do. How embarrasing.

jacg
Sep 23, 2003, 02:13 PM
OK on my 17" 800Mhz iMac.

(input menubar item still appears after some restarts though - will they ever fix that?)

After G
Sep 23, 2003, 02:24 PM
10.2.8 installed and runs fine with no problems on my 700MHz eMac.

iHack
Sep 23, 2003, 03:09 PM
Maybe I should've been a little more generous with the sarcasm...
Originally posted by gaijinjim
Okay, love the fact that I was called a whiner. I have been a Mac user since almost day one. First Mac in 1986. The thing with using a Mac is the fact that Apple has always been great with their quality control. They control both the hardware and software to ensure that the computer/OS work properly together. That is the thing that makes Macs superior over PCs. It works; people are not forced to try and figure things out and pray that they work.

However, I have never had the black screen occur since I have used Software Update even when it was buggy in 10.0. Also, the Mac did not fall asleep after the installation. I stepped away from the computer for less than five minutes, less than the time set for it to sleep.

And obviously you have not been dealing constantly with Apple trying to resolve the Airport Extreme issue. [snip]

And if you read the post, you would notice that I didn't compare Apple to M$, but stated that Apple is headed down the same path that M$ took [snip]
Later.

hey, sounds like a comparison to me ;)
Sounds like we agree on the Macs being superior thing. In the early says you had to be half a mechanic to be able to drive a car. Nowadays, most people don't have a clue about what's happening under the hood... and they shouldn't have to know. Windows still seems to be in the Model T Ford era...

Sorry to hear about the Airport extreme issue...
I've been impressed by airport extreme since I've got it. I'm on my network as soon as I walk into my home office with my 12" PoBo. Practically no configuration necessary, except for some security stuff. The only thing is that my wife's Dell LS sub-notebook I put a wifi card in can't reconnect after it lost its connection. The only fix I can find is to turn of virtually all security. All my neighbours have to do is spoof the MAC address of the pccard and their in... Bummer.

M.

Marc2B
Sep 23, 2003, 03:16 PM
:o I've got 10 G4s here and have downloaded it onto 6 of them. Three of them have had the ethernet crap out. Lovely. The three that crapped are 2-733s and 1 800. I downloaded 10.2.6 onto my Xserve, copied the download onto the 1.25, wrote it to a CD-R, and now I'm going to try and do an archieve install from the 10.2 disks, and upgrade back to 10.2.6. This whole thing pisses me off to no end.

moosecat
Sep 23, 2003, 03:20 PM
This looks like a real mess. (Glad I held off!) Apple needs to yank this update soon. Imagine all the less tech-savvy Mac users seeking Software Update pop up, letting it update, and then being flummoxed and PO'ed when their computers stop working. (Sort of like the tech-savvy ones, actually. But at least the tech-savvy ones can find their way here to complain and commiserate.)

JasonGutierrez
Sep 23, 2003, 03:33 PM
This is cute (from the Apple site)

You may experience unexpected results if you have installed third-party system software modifications, or if you have modified the operating system through other means. This precautionary statement does not apply to the normal installation of application software.

Who doesn't have third party system software installed? Don't blame it on others doode.

evil_santa
Sep 23, 2003, 03:39 PM
My G4-733 went down after the update. It restarted after the install ok, but the keyboard wasnt working, so i shut down and restarted. Nothing happend for 5min, then i got the broken folder Icon. After many restarts and trying to book of old system / norton disks, I got it to start up in os9.2 from the original install disk that came with the machine. Neither of the 2 internal drivers were mounted, only one could be seen in first aid!. I shut down and opened up the computer to see if the drives were spinning, when i started up, it booted ok in to 10.2.8 fine except for asking me to set up my bluetooth mouse, that I dont have! very odd, may wait a while until I update my ibook.:confused:

iHack
Sep 23, 2003, 03:50 PM
For what it's worth:

According to macbidouille (posted there 15 minutes ago) Apple just pulled the update, because of all the problem users were having...
here's a link (http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-09-23)

I tried and can still dl a standalone .dmg through the link in the kbase.

[edit] now I can't anymore (22:50 CET)

hulugu
Sep 23, 2003, 03:53 PM
Ran the update fine, installed it, been running like a champ all last night and all day today, no freezes, etc.

10.2.8 on a .55Ghz PB

DesterWallaboo
Sep 23, 2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by gsdali
Powerbook G3 500Mhz FW

No Problems here, although desktop and Mail.app preferences were lost (although this has happened before without any upgrades going on)


How much free space do you have on your hard drive? and what applications are you using? I've found that if you are using a program that caches significant amounts of information to your drive (i.e. Photoshop or After Effects) and fills your drive to nearly 100% full, it can kill your preferences. I generally leave a minimum of a good Gigabyte or so free space at all times to make sure this doesn't happen.

Lancetx
Sep 23, 2003, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by iHack
For what it's worth:

According to macbidouille (posted there 15 minutes ago) Apple just pulled the update, because of all the problem users were having...
here's a link (http://www.hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-09-23)

I tried and can still dl a standalone .dmg through the link in the kbase.

[edit] now I can't anymore (22:50 CET)

It's still there as of right now...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120244

iHack
Sep 23, 2003, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Lancetx
It's still there as of right now...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120244

Hey, you're right!

That's the combo version, I was looking at the non-combo one (for 10.2.6).

Are people only having problems with the version for 10.2.6?

get it while you can, I guess :p

M.

Lancetx
Sep 23, 2003, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by iHack
Hey, you're right!

That's the combo version, I was looking at the non-combo one (for 10.2.6).

Are people only having problems with the version for 10.2.6?

get it while you can, I guess :p

M.

The other is still there too, it's just that using the Combo updater is usually better. However, it is not showing up in the system update panel though any longer on my iBook that is still running 10.2.6.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120245

iHack
Sep 23, 2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Lancetx
The other is still there too, it's just that using the Combo updater is usually better. However, it is not showing up in the system update panel though any longer on my iBook that is still running 10.2.6.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120245
I checked the macbidouille post before I posted here, of course. The kbase article (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25524) disappeared as i was reading it. Wouldn't come back at the time. Couldn't find the file either. Now I can. Weird. Or maybe Apple's servers were overloaded?

M.

[edit] it's gone again (the article I mean). Well, it may just come back...:rolleyes:

Lancetx
Sep 23, 2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by iHack
I checked the macbidouille post before I posted here, of course. The kbase article (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25524) disappeared as i was reading it. Wouldn't come back at the time. Couldn't find the file either. Now I can. Weird. Or maybe Apple's servers were overloaded?

M.

I don't know either. I hope they don't need to pull it, I've already installed it on my eMac. :) However, I've not had any problems with it. Maybe the battery reporting issues is a serious problem with the notebooks and that's the reason why, there's no way to know right now.

djcobb44
Sep 23, 2003, 04:54 PM
I had the boot up problem on a G4 PM 867Mhz. At boot up the start up disk could not be found. I booted up into Mac OS 9 using the CD, went to the control panels-->, start up disks-->, and clicked on Mac OS 10.2.8, restarted and all is well, agian.

JasonGutierrez
Sep 23, 2003, 04:55 PM
I've managed to fix my OS by manually removing all the third party preference panes. IN particular I removed MooSB, iAddressX, Intego(NEtBarrier), and iChoose. After removing these items I rebooted my Mac and all was well.

All though the results we disatrous, Apple did warn (although obscurely) that C3PO's would have an adverse affect on your OS after the upgrade.

Jason

fahlman
Sep 23, 2003, 05:04 PM
I downloaded the stand alone installer (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120245) and installed it on a Rev. C iMac with no problems.

rainman::|:|
Sep 23, 2003, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by JasonGutierrez
Who doesn't have third party system software installed? Don't blame it on others doode.

so it's apple's reponsibility to track every third-rate coder's tweaks to ensure compatability in future releases? i don't think so. apple can't control what ****ty software you install, plus the third-party developers usually tell you "use at your own risk". the OS was not meant to be modified; it just happens that it can be.

BTW any OS will include some disclaimer like this. software developers rarely promise that their software will play nicely with the others.

and as a sidenote, anyone who is having problems because they have Panther installed: you deserve it. even the public demo was (in a very small group of people) meant for demonstration purposes, not to keep installed, or to use.

pnw

tfr
Sep 23, 2003, 05:25 PM
Updated all of my machinery yesterday - two TFT iMacs (15+17) and the 12" PowerBook. Everything running smoothly so far. :)

Dale Sorel
Sep 23, 2003, 06:16 PM
I updated my 700 MHz FS iMac yesterday and have had zero problems.

fabsgwu
Sep 23, 2003, 06:18 PM
This may sound weird, but the audio quality of my MP3s in iTunes seems to be lower with the new update. That, or I've fallen into a tin can.

iMac 17" 800 Mhz

calemany
Sep 23, 2003, 06:52 PM
Installed 10.2.8 through the Software Updater last night. It rebooted fine, although slow. I launched an OS 9 application from an alias, and it needed to be reminded which app it belonged to.
Everything seemed fine until about 20 minutes after the reboot.

The daisy wheel popped up and then the system stated, "you need to restart your computer. Hold down the Power button..."

Now it is hosed. I can not boot to my OS X CD; I can not boot to my Apple Hardware test CD; I can not boot to a FireWire drive. I can not even boot into single user mode.
When I try to boot with extensions off, I get a message from the system stating, "you need to restart your computer. Hold down the Power button..."

Dejavu.

Hrmpf.

rspress
Sep 23, 2003, 06:59 PM
800Mhz eMac, superdrive, 768MB RAM....machine works fine after upgrade with one exception....I did lose a few icons on some files, mostly document files. Repairing permissions did not fix icon problems.

Other than that booting and networking(both hard wire and airport) work fine...

Used software update pref-pane to update.

macmonster
Sep 23, 2003, 07:29 PM
Well...my earlier post about the icon issues on the desktop do not mean a damn thing now. Someone broke into my house this afternoon and stole my freakin' iMac and digital video camera.

Scumbags of the earth!!! I wonder if Apple can drop a bomb on that machine if it tries to connect for an update...or maybe 10.2.8 will just blow up!!!

rspress
Sep 23, 2003, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by macmonster
Well...my earlier post about the icon issues on the desktop do not mean a damn thing now. Someone broke into my house this afternoon and stole my freakin' iMac and digital video camera.

Scumbags of the earth!!! I wonder if Apple can drop a bomb on that machine if it tries to connect for an update...or maybe 10.2.8 will just blow up!!!

Dude, that is a major bummer! I hope you are insured.

I always have mine password protected and have an open guest user with a desktop picture that says the computer has their address and is in the process of transmitting that information to all law inforcement agencies within a 200 mile radius of the computer, the only way to stop it is to return it to the owners property.....I also have a little logo I made that says "protected by SecureComp Net".....I have a message on my palm PDA that says about the same thing.

It won't fool a savvy thief....but it might scare the hell out of a dumb one! It might even show up on my front step if they are really stupid!

kuyu
Sep 23, 2003, 09:30 PM
I updated this morning and have had ZERO problems. it took forever to reboot from the software update the first time, but after 2 restarts (can't be too careful) everything is working normally. Actually, safari seems to be a bit snappier both while loading pages and opening from dock (2 hops and its open). also, aac ripping the new outkast album seemed to be faster than normal, but it could just be my imagination. Sorry to those who had problems but trust me, it's going to be a late night in Cupertino, and its all for you. now if that doesn't make you feel special i don't know what will...

Adamki2000
Sep 23, 2003, 09:33 PM
Not a single problem so far with OS X 10.2.8 n my good ol' 350 MHz indigo iMac G3!

macmonster
Sep 23, 2003, 09:47 PM
Yep...got insurance. A little deductable but not too bad. I have never had to file so I have no clue how screwed I will be. Maybe I will get a big fat G5 since they left my old Compaq Deskpro that I use as a server.

My biggest complaint is that I had just archived over 3000 photos and was going to copy the other 2000 this weekend.

Oh well.

nickmarine
Sep 23, 2003, 09:59 PM
Well,

I installed the update on all 4 of my systems
800Mhz G4-No Issues
1.2Dual G4-No Issues
1.2Dual G4-No Issues
933Mhz Dual- Big problems, the unit would not boot until I reset the CUDA on the MLB, since then it has run fine. PRAM and all that were ineffective until I hit the CUDA.

Cheers

Nick:)

chia_zadora
Sep 23, 2003, 10:36 PM
Installed on my 800 MHz G4 iMac at home, crashed once on the screensaver, reboot was fine. Seems to have no problem with sleep, but Safari crashes more than normal.

Installed on my dual 1.25 G4 at work, no problems yet...

gopher
Sep 23, 2003, 10:57 PM
Apple officially pulled the update:
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/1028pulled/

citing difficulties with the ethernet drivers.

theRebel
Sep 24, 2003, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by JasonGutierrez
This is cute (from the Apple site)

You may experience unexpected results if you have installed third-party system software modifications, or if you have modified the operating system through other means. This precautionary statement does not apply to the normal installation of application software.

Who doesn't have third party system software installed? Don't blame it on others doode.

I do not have any third party system software installed. Most of the Mac users that I know also do not have any third party system modifications installed.

Do you realize that most application software is NOT system software? The disclaimer even points that out for you.

As far as blame goes, it is rather absurd of you to suggest that Apple should be held responsible for third party code. They have no control over it, so by what logic or illogic do you think that it is reasonable for them to be held accountable?

macnews
Sep 24, 2003, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by rspress
Dude, that is a major bummer! I hope you are insured.

I always have mine password protected and have an open guest user with a desktop picture that says the computer has their address and is in the process of transmitting that information to all law inforcement agencies within a 200 mile radius of the computer, the only way to stop it is to return it to the owners property.....I also have a little logo I made that says "protected by SecureComp Net".....I have a message on my palm PDA that says about the same thing.

It won't fool a savvy thief....but it might scare the hell out of a dumb one! It might even show up on my front step if they are really stupid!

Care to share that graphic? I try to avoid re-inventing the wheel, and I really like your idea. Plenty of stupid crooks out there.

gaijinjim
Sep 24, 2003, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by iHack
Maybe I should've been a little more generous with the sarcasm...


hey, sounds like a comparison to me ;)
Sounds like we agree on the Macs being superior thing....

Sorry to hear about the Airport extreme issue...

M.

Hey man,
Sounds like we are in agreement when it comes to Apple, great company with great products. Only thing that scares me is the fact that Apple pulled 10.2.8 citing ethernet problems. OUCH!! :eek:

I just hope that this is not a sign of things to come. Apple can't afford it. :(

The network engineering team obviously was in charge of the ethernet changes in 10.2.8 and they are, I'm pretty sure, the same team that has been trying to fix the Airport Extreme problem for the past month and a half.

As far as my installation of 10.2.8 is concerned, I don't use the ethernet connection, only Airport Extreme, so I don't have any of the problems. Also I did notice an increase in speed when it comes to booting and logging in. Safari also seemed faster. :D

Let's wait and see what happens. The engineers are burning the midnight oil of this one. Or should be if they aren't.

timf
Sep 24, 2003, 06:21 AM
Since I don't have a fast net connection at home, I tend to download the standalone installers here, burn them to cd-rw and apply them at home on my iMac (flatscreen, 1ghz) I tend to keep the software on that machine reasonably up to date : I was upgrading from 10.2.6.

Last night I installed the security update, did a restart, the jdk1.4.1_01 update, restart, and the 10.2.8 update restart, in that order.[1]

After restarting the machine for the last time, startup showed the usual grey boot screen, then showed the white box, with extensions being loaded, and then nothing -- where I'd normally get the login screenappearing, I just got a blank blue screen (the background of the loginscreen) and a mouse pointer.

After lots of screwing around booting into single user mode, disabling CoreGraphics StartupItem and editing /etc/ttys to give me a text-onlyconsole, I found that the problem appeared to be with

/System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Foundation

With that file in place, I found that I couldn't start applications (Iwas getting an "open truncated or malformed library" error from dyld), but using the Foundation_profile in it's place, apps ran fine.

I verified this by re-enabling the graphical console and enabling the CoreGraphics StartupItem : the system worked fine (albeit a littleslower than usual, probably due to the fact I was using the profiling framework)I've screenshots in the URLs below of me in text mode trying to investigate things

Note that this isn't single user mode, it's just merunning the OS with all the graphical services disabled.

Could someone verify these checksums ?

http://www.netsoc.ucd.ie/~timf/10.2.8/DSC03083.JPG

md5s for Foundation :
http://www.netsoc.ucd.ie/~timf/10.2.8/DSC03085.JPG

errors shown trying to run Terminal.app with broken framework, and then it working fine with profiling framework :
http://www.netsoc.ucd.ie/~timf/10.2.8/DSC03087.JPG

When I used the Foundation_profile library instead, Terminal started properly (actually it threw errors about not having any graphics services available, but at least it exited gracefully)

Hope this is of some use ?

[1] Yes, I probably should have verified the MD5s of the installersbefore setting out with any of this. That'll teach me !

Daschund
Sep 24, 2003, 07:03 AM
I just updated to 10.2.8 yesterday night through Software Update. After downloading, updating and optimizing, I restarted the computer just fine. After that, I went to sleep and today, when I tried to startup the computer it would turn on, make the chime sound, give me the Apple and the spinning wheel and turn off two or three seconds later. Tried about five times with the same result. After I unplugged the power cord and plugged back again it worked fine. Don't know if it is from the update or not... :confused:

BTW, this was on a 400Mhz iMac

Daschund

sionnach
Sep 24, 2003, 08:36 AM
I had a strange problem with my 17" 1gHz imac with classic mode.

During the 10.2.8 installation, the screen blanked out and I had to reset...later, classic mode would not work. It now crashes every time I try to load it.

The message is: "An error was encountered while attempting to update your system folder with classic-specific resources". The console message is the following: "Classic[393]: AUTOUPDATE ERROR: type and/or creator resource missing for /System/Library/CoreServices/Classic Startup.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/SystemFiles/Classic "

Anyone know of a solution to this mess?

Thanks.

PS - How can I downgrade back to 10.2.6??

stematG4
Sep 24, 2003, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by nickmarine

933Mhz Dual- Big problems, the unit would not boot until I reset the CUDA on the MLB, since then it has run fine. PRAM and all that were ineffective until I hit the CUDA.

Cheers

Nick:)

What is the CUDA on MLB?

AtlantaGuy
Sep 24, 2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by gopher
Wouldn't even try. Without Firewire or SCSI possible on that machine without at least a $350 upgrade, you are better off getting a Blue and White G3 or better to run Mac OS X. No Firewire means no fast reliable backups. No reliable backups mean you need to keep your operating system pristine clean except for Apple software and no third party hacks or utilities that might break during the next software update. And if they do break you want to as quickly as possible recover to the last system version update.

Sound advice, but...
I've stubbornly run OS X since it's beta days on a Rev. B iMac (233 MHz, 160 MB RAM) and, so far, am doing fine with 10.2.8

It's been a good run, but just about time to go shopping at the (Apple) hardware store.

juststeve
Sep 24, 2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by rdowns
Installed fine, none of the problems noted in Page 1 thread.

First reboot was slow, rebooted again and was noticeably faster. Same for launching many applications. First launch, kind of slow. Much faster after second launch.

The slow boot time is usually an indication that the kernel is not using the kernel extension cache because the kernel believes the cache is invalid.
During the boot process (/etc/rc), the kernel extension cache is rebuilt. Subsequent reboots with a valid kernel extension cache will be 20-40 seconds faster (depending on disk speed).

If anyone's having problems, one additional thing you can try from single user mode (or MacOS 9) is to delete these files:
/System/Library/Extensions.mkext
/System/Library/Extensions.kextcache
This will force a kernel extension cache rebuild at the next system startup.

Have people with iMac/eMac problems tried "shift-booting" into Safe Mode?


Another problem I've seen in the past with other 'broken' MacOS X updates is that certain /System/Library/Frameworks/* directories are not properly updated. I have never figured out why.
A command line reinstall of the "Combo" updater has fixed problems like this for me in the past. Download the update to your machine, somehow (curl, sneakernet with an iPod?). As root, execute:
installer -target / -pkg /full/path/to/MacOSXComboUpdate.pkg


By the way, if anyone installed anything that modified any MacOS X binaries, or plugs in a hackish way, you deserve any problems associated with it and the vendor of that software should be given a boot to the head! ;)

--JustSteve

davy the bunny
Sep 24, 2003, 10:17 AM
I need to add something to my earlier statement that it was working fine for me. The day previous to the update to 10.2.8 I experienced a problem with the Java update which decided to give me a folder with a question mark at boot time. Apparently there was something wrong with Installer on my machine because every single thing that I installed screwed up my system in one way or the other. So I had to do an archive and install the day before I got the update to my machine, which means that my system was clean and new and sparkly and shiny. . . so I won't comment about any problems that anyone else may be having any more. Sorry about all the trouble.

jamesatzones
Sep 24, 2003, 12:56 PM
No problem installing on a 17" iMac and 17" Powerbook

rauf
Sep 24, 2003, 01:11 PM
No problems at all with any of my machines and the standard software update from 10.2.6 to 10.2.8.

The eMac was first (800 / 640Mb) hassle free, no probs.

The two iBooks were next, ( both 800 / 383Mb, combo) again hassle free.

Have tried all usual apps, inc MS office, photoshop, mail, safari (which is a bit faster sometimes), iCal, iSync, Airport connection etc. My eMac is on a 100baseT home network - no worries, both iBooks are on airport, again hassle free.

I presume the software update is buggy for peopple that have messed with their machines from the standard configuration.

One of the best things about the macs are that apple make the hardware AND the OS, hence very few incompatibility problems. Messing with the standard OS install seems to be asking for trouble and gets you the same reliability problems as your average windows setup.

My point is - if you're prepared to mess about with a perfectly good OS setup, then you should be prepared to put up with and fix any problems this causes.

mpeters
Sep 24, 2003, 09:11 PM
I successfully installed 10.2.8 on my 1ghz 17" iMac. I am using it again today.

rjrufo
Sep 24, 2003, 09:13 PM
I've upgraded both iMacs and my TiPB, the PB took almost a half hour to reboot right after the upgrade, while the two iMacs were slower than normal. I tried rebooting all three today, and all have a noticeable decrease in boot time.

The only "major" problem now is the ugly Dock background. I had used Transparent Dock before the upgrade, but now it won't work at all. I had to reset the original Dock, since the Dock would not come back up.

Everything else runs as smooth as ever.

c.w.roberts
Sep 25, 2003, 04:12 AM
I installed 10.2.8 on my 12 inch Powerbook and found like others have reported that it would not bootup. When trying to restore the software I was instructed to choose the option to erase my entire hard drive. This was apparently because my present system was newer than the one on the CD. I knew my data was there on my harddrive as disk utility told me I had some 25GB of dat on my drive, I could not access any of it. My solution was to make a bootable Mac osX CD and pull all my dat off the HD onto a Firewire Iomega drive. I then reinstalled everything. I do not know that this was the best or quickest solution but it worked for me.

However, there are a few important points.
1. To make the bootable CD there is a program called bootCD available (http://www.charlessoft.com/) this did it for me. It is really important to follow the instructions carefully in terms of burning the disk. The process of making it is long 15-30 mins and the bootup process takes a similar length of time.
2. You will of course need access to another MAC ( I used an eMAC), I am not sure how specific the bootup CDs are for the machine that they were made on, but this one worked on my PB.
3. When I booted up my HD was not immediately available, but after using disk utility to repair and mount the HD I had access to it.

I can not say that my problems were caused by the update, only that they coincided with it. However, this is a solution to many problems and I would recomend that everybody makes a bootable CD.

Finally thank you Charles soft.

Potus
Sep 25, 2003, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by rspress
800Mhz eMac, superdrive, 768MB RAM....machine works fine after upgrade with one exception....I did lose a few icons on some files, mostly document files. Repairing permissions did not fix icon problems.

Other than that booting and networking(both hard wire and airport) work fine...

Used software update pref-pane to update.

Bummer. Sometimes I understand why people pay "protection" on the Sopranos so that Tony's gang won't steal (everything) from them. As a side benefit, Tony doesn't let anyone else steal from them.

Anyway, I would be totally bummed out.

lhammer610
Sep 25, 2003, 09:55 AM
I have a Beige G3 with a G4 processor that I upgraded to 10.2.8. Everything seems to be working fine (although I have not tried to use Ethernet, yet). However, I decided to run Disk First Aid to repair permissions. A couple of minutes into the run, the screen goes black and will not go back on. I had to perform a hard reboot. I decided to run iTunes in the background to try to monitor performace of the CPU. When the screen went black again, iTunes kept playing the same 1 second of music over and over again. I could not tell if it was making any musical progress or not.

So I left it running overnight to see if I can get out of it.

To be continued.

Now I know that I am not supposed to, but should I boot off of the OS X disk, repair permissions with that, then boot on the hard drive and try repairing permissions again?

Or try reinstalling 10.2.6? Or reinstall OS X off of the CD and then do the upgrade to 10.2.6? Or just never run Disk First Aid again........

tophu
Sep 25, 2003, 11:47 AM
I have a Lime iMac DV 400MHz, and the update worked great. I noticed that it no longer has the problem with fix_prebinding hogging the CPU for five minutes at boot time. I had that since around 10.2.5 or so...

I was absolutely amazed when I launched Safari after the update. It had always needed about four bounces in the Dock to launch before, and now it launches in less than a single bounce.

Awesome!

tophu
Sep 25, 2003, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by rjrufo

The only "major" problem now is the ugly Dock background. I had used Transparent Dock before the upgrade, but now it won't work at all. I had to reset the original Dock, since the Dock would not come back up.

Everything else runs as smooth as ever.

Yeah, I had the same thing. Unsanity's Clear Dock works fine. I sure do miss the "Hide App" dock menu item, though...

Mattnh
Oct 11, 2003, 07:43 AM
Since the update of the 'new' 10.2.8 i have serieus firewire issues. To check if it was the external HDs or the G4 I hooked it up to an different G4 and it works fine there. Never had problems with the Firewire HDs before.
It just doesn't mount. And when it does it falls of the desktop after a few minutes with a warning to follow. Help? mattnh@zonnet.nl

rspress
Oct 12, 2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by macnews
Care to share that graphic? I try to avoid re-inventing the wheel, and I really like your idea. Plenty of stupid crooks out there.

Sorry, it has been a while since I checked back into this thread. Sure I will share the graphics, you can get them here:

Graphic 1 (http://rspress.home.comcast.net/protect1.jpg)

Graphic 2 (http://rspress.home.comcast.net/protect2.jpg)

They are nothing special, just something I whipped up really quick! Feel free to resize, change the text, background, whatever you need.

Again, sorry for the delay in responding!

RCAndrews
Oct 21, 2003, 11:58 AM
hello,
i have a imac flat panel 17" fully loaded and expanded, at purchase. not sure if this makes a difference. some folk install the extra things themselves (not sure if this matters)
also i have a 9600 power mac (fully loaded , ie ram mhz, video card etc.)
runs fine. though, i only run protools on the 9600 and the standard appleworks. bbedit 7.0, things of that nature. other than IE 5.2 i am windows free. hmmm???

anyway things run great ipod, airport, printer's (hp's and an epson stylus pro XL, oh yea fax phone printer scanner by hp as well) all run fine.

note sometimes if you update all it can take is a program or two that reject the new upgrades and it will eventually effect
something, IMHO.

for example, those of us with the old 5gig ipod's should not use the 2.2 upgrade, it no workie like dat *)

if you made this mistake (and it's an easy one to make), itunes will not recognize yea ole' ipod 5 gig.

i noticed in other boards at the apple discussion area's , folks experiencing slow start ups. mine has always been a "dragger" but hey it's loading a lot these days.

the security with safari appears to be fine, was having prob's w/that, all gone after 10.2.8 upgrade.

since i installed it though my god sons sim city 4.0 isn't really quick by any stretch of the imagination. other than that i am running smooth and have been since i purchased the machine. LOL to those that haven't been so fortunate.