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john123
Sep 21, 2001, 02:26 AM
From our friends at MOSR:

Could Apple finally be (almost) ready to release a slot-loading DVD/CD-RW PBG4? - 6:00 PM 9/20 - Rumor

While our Apple contacts cautioned that the company is in a state of flux right now and nothing is for certain when it comes to any product release beyond Mac OS X 10.1, the company apparently may have received a supply of slot-loading DVD/CD-RW drives that fit its ultrathin Powerbook G4 Titanium enclosure.
Several reports similar to this one have been received in the past five days:
Holy Smokes!!!!
My friend bought a Titanium/500 a couple of months ago and was just having a hell of a time with it! Finally, after talking to Apple for a couple of days and going through all the fix-it stuff, Apple told him to send it to their service center. OK.... When they sent it back, they not only gave him a brand new Titanium/500 but said "... we added a few extras..." The extra was a slot loading DVD/CD-RW! We have burned a couple of CDs and it works GREAT!!
Very interesting; the number of reports we've received causes us to tend to believe that Apple has indeed received such a supply, and may even be phasing out its stock of existing DVD drives - the suspected cause of so many readers receiving or hearing about others receiving "improved" PBG4s with these drives.
A cost-effective supply of combo DVD/CD-RW drives that will fit the PBG4 is a key element in Apple's struggle to line up the elements of a specification sheet worthy of a revision to the sleek, sexy, and successful model we have today. Motorola sources say that 533, 550, 600, and perhaps even 667MHz PowerPC 7410 processors may be available in time for Apple to release an updated PBG4 by year's end. That is believed to be coming a lot sooner than later, with up to 600MHz 7410's right away as soon as Apple can get the new 'Books ramped up in production, and the 667MHz model perhaps being a slightly delayed follow-on high-end model.

eyelikeart
Sep 21, 2001, 04:06 PM
Somehow this posting sounds like one of those ******** "and I got my check for $4000 after forwarding it to 100 people" emails that go around every now and then. But maybe I'm wrong?

evildead
Sep 21, 2001, 04:58 PM
I have see simmilar reports at other rumor sites... the register and AtAT...

I bet some of it is true

ebound
Sep 21, 2001, 06:48 PM
Shouldn't you give credit to macosrumors.com, from whom you so beautifully PLAGARIZED. Don't rip off other rumor sites cause they got it first. Or at least give some credit to the site you took it from.

Gelfin
Sep 21, 2001, 07:40 PM
Dude... he did. Check out the first line of the post.

ebound
Sep 21, 2001, 07:42 PM
Wasn't there before. I SWEAR

ebound
Sep 21, 2001, 08:11 PM
Shut up shut up shut up. I was wrong. Sorry.

john123
Sep 22, 2001, 05:37 PM
No worries...I just hope that the MOSR report is at least close to true. I don't want to wait until SF 2002 to get my new laptop, and frankly, I don't even really care about the combo drive (if you get a combo, your burn speeds will be a lot slower than what they'd be if you bought an external). What I really want is a new graphics card and a speed bump.

DannyZR2
Sep 22, 2001, 06:27 PM
That is just what I am saying! What is going to happen now that the Paris is off? Is Seybould still on? If so, then perhaps we will get our Ti2! And like he said.. it needs 600Mhz and 733Mhz (maybe a bit to liberal, but I am not ruling it out.. ) and Nvidia GeForce2Go 32MB! AND it had better have the better firewire i/o like the iBook as well as it would be nice to have better airport reception.

Combo Drive would be cool, but just as he said, it would be max 8x burn and would probably be a slower DVD speed too.. but at least it would be able to burn at all.. maybe it would be something that could be removed to get just the DVD with a BYO option. That would make sense.

iBook would still be insufficient with the screen size at 12.1. That is all I'll say about it.

john123
Sep 23, 2001, 03:44 AM
Apple flatly denied the rumor about replacing Ti drives with combo drives (you can read this on Apple's Discussion board for PB's)....so it looks like MOSR screwed up yet again.

Blah.

Kela
Sep 23, 2001, 06:17 AM
John123, wasnt it you many posts ago that said how important COMBO drives in laptops were? Infact I think it is that comment which started off my retorts and ended up in a verbal war which indluded many users

spikey
Sep 23, 2001, 07:49 AM
Yeah i remember that all too well.

john123
Sep 23, 2001, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Kela
John123, wasnt it you many posts ago that said how important COMBO drives in laptops were? Infact I think it is that comment which started off my retorts and ended up in a verbal war which indluded many users

Yep, that's exactly what I said.

I think it still *is* important.

Just not to me.

I have hated lugging around my QPS 8/4/32 drive when I travel with my Pismo...but now that there are 24/10/40 drives out there, and an internal will suck goats, I'm slightly less interested in an internal.

Gelfin
Sep 23, 2001, 11:15 PM
Yeah, I read the argument too, guys -- it was unpleasant and probably doesn't need to be rehashed in an entirely different "new powerbook" thread.

Instead let's focus on what we're all hoping for, the announcement at Seybold of a 2GHz G5 Powerbook with twelve-hour battery life, 1GB RAM, a 100GB HD and a Superdrive, with a screen capable of full HD1080i resolution, enclosed in an as yet unidentified metal recovered from a crashed alien spaceship.

john123
Sep 24, 2001, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by Gelfin

Instead let's focus on what we're all hoping for, the announcement at Seybold of a 2GHz G5 Powerbook with twelve-hour battery life, 1GB RAM, a 100GB HD and a Superdrive, with a screen capable of full HD1080i resolution, enclosed in an as yet unidentified metal recovered from a crashed alien spaceship.


All for $999....

DannyZR2
Sep 24, 2001, 01:50 AM
No, go ahead John, bash him! Certainly he must be an utter idiot to think that they would be able to find that much metal at just one alien spaceship crash! Man, who would ever think that unless Apple intends only to sell 500 of them!

And you got to know it would cost more like 1299, right?

sorry.. i had to...

AJW
Sep 24, 2001, 07:56 AM
Sounds like the forum moderator was just quoting a general Apple policy. Some "illegal" drive swapping may have been going on anyhow...

Besides, even if the denial is true, it only means that Apple is not giving out Combo's, not that there won't be a new TiBook at Seybold or MWSF.

john123
Sep 24, 2001, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by AJW
Sounds like the forum moderator was just quoting a general Apple policy. Some "illegal" drive swapping may have been going on anyhow...

Besides, even if the denial is true, it only means that Apple is not giving out Combo's, not that there won't be a new TiBook at Seybold or MWSF.

If I have to wait til MWSF, I think I will explode.

GadgetLover
Sep 25, 2001, 01:43 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by Gelfin

Instead let's focus on what we're all hoping for, the announcement at Seybold of a 2GHz G5 Powerbook with twelve-hour battery life, 1GB RAM, a 100GB HD and a Superdrive, with a screen capable of full HD1080i resolution, enclosed in an as yet unidentified metal recovered from a crashed alien spaceship.
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Originally posted by john123

All for $999....

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... and including (on the 10.1 install CD) MS Office v. X and an LCD that is touch sensative (Wacom tablet).

[Edited by GadgetLover on 09-25-2001 at 02:46 AM]

evildead
Sep 25, 2001, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by GadgetLover
quote:
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Originally posted by Gelfin

Instead let's focus on what we're all hoping for, the announcement at Seybold of a 2GHz G5 Powerbook with twelve-hour battery life, 1GB RAM, a 100GB HD and a Superdrive, with a screen capable of full HD1080i resolution, enclosed in an as yet unidentified metal recovered from a crashed alien spaceship.
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Originally posted by john123

All for $999....

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... and including (on the 10.1 install CD) MS Office v. X and an LCD that is touch sensative (Wacom tablet).

[Edited by GadgetLover on 09-25-2001 at 02:46 AM]


I would give my first born child.....

:)

idkew
Sep 26, 2001, 12:23 PM
I was waiting for Seybold for the new TiG4... Is it not going to come out now? Has everyone just been bsing?

john123
Sep 26, 2001, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by idkew
I was waiting for Seybold for the new TiG4... Is it not going to come out now? Has everyone just been bsing?
I never realistically thought it would be Seybold in the first place. It's just the wrong venue for starters, and it would have distracted from the hype of 10.1.

If it will come out this year, it will be some time in the next month and a half (i.e., before Thanksgiving). Many have speculated an Apple event in late October. That would be just fine with me....

Of course, with the economy as it is, Apple may just sit on its hands until January. That would not make me a happy camper.

AJW
Sep 27, 2001, 05:20 PM
I've heard rumors at various sites of a "real" 10.1 ship date and possibly some new iMac/TiBook hardware this eekend or early next week in a yet-unannounced press event. Sounds like it might be Paris... without having Paris... for the press only. Hmmm... :-) :-) :-)

[Edited by AJW on 09-27-2001 at 06:23 PM]

Gelfin
Sep 28, 2001, 12:23 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was having trouble clearing out the last remnants of the original TiBook.

What with the slippery economy and the national disaster and all, it's probably only us fanatical types who are chomping at the bit to buy a new TiBook, and we're all waiting for a new one, which Apple might not release until people buy up the existing inventory, which nobody is doing and so forth.

I hate Catch-22s. If I'm guessing right, it could be a longish wait, even if Apple has a big warehouse full of our alien space metal Powerbooks boxed and ready to ship right now. :-(

Kela
Sep 28, 2001, 03:31 AM
what sickens me is that what if Apple releases a new Ti G4 (i.e a revision) without an upgrade to the inbuilt graphics accelerator? I mean, just the usual 100 mHZ sped boost (if lucky) and ram upgrade would be dumb. The Tis need a better inbuilt gpu or not?

john123
Sep 28, 2001, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by Kela
what sickens me is that what if Apple releases a new Ti G4 (i.e a revision) without an upgrade to the inbuilt graphics accelerator? I mean, just the usual 100 mHZ sped boost (if lucky) and ram upgrade would be dumb. The Tis need a better inbuilt gpu or not?

I don't think they can or will. Think about the progression of laptops from Apple: Wall Street, Lombard, Pismo, TiBook...each has offered significant advances in architecture over the previous model. Even Lombard and Pismo, which look identical on the outside, couldn't be more different on the inside.

It's not an iMac, which can just take a speed bump here and there because it's a consumer machine. As the top-of-the-line Apple laptop, it has to stay competitive, and to do that basically demands a new graphics chip and a combo drive option, in addition to a speed bump.

And frankly, I hope they keep the RAM the same. I wish you could order it with zero RAM. Given how cheap you can get third-party stuff (a gig for under $280 for the PowerBook), I will order mine with as little as possible...I hope 256 isn't the bottom-of-the-line standard.

spikey
Sep 28, 2001, 08:33 AM
There is something not quite right here, me kela and john arent arguing.

evildead
Oct 3, 2001, 05:38 PM
Check out this link... looks like in evidence for a new Power book rev and maybe some small changes to the iBook line as well

http://www.macosrumors.com/

AJW
Oct 3, 2001, 08:16 PM
EvilDead -- you beat me to it!!

john123
Oct 4, 2001, 02:00 AM
Delays are likely due to the destructive typhoon in Taiwan that has screwed up production across the board.

MOSR hasn't been on-target in a long, long time.

evildead
Oct 4, 2001, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by john123
Delays are likely due to the destructive typhoon in Taiwan that has screwed up production across the board.

MOSR hasn't been on-target in a long, long time.


That doesnt explian the end of life reports. And besides .. my relitives in Taiwan say it wasnt that bad. They get them all the time.

john123
Oct 4, 2001, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by evildead
Originally posted by john123
Delays are likely due to the destructive typhoon in Taiwan that has screwed up production across the board.

MOSR hasn't been on-target in a long, long time.


That doesnt explian the end of life reports. And besides .. my relitives in Taiwan say it wasnt that bad. They get them all the time.



MOSR also reported that users were having their TiBooks returned to them with built-in combo drives. Total BS. Don't believe a word.

Besides, the ship time at the Apple Store is *still* 1 day. Which tells me that the PowerBook revision isn't exactly coming in the next week or two probably.

I hope I'm wrong, cuz I want one. But between common sense and MOSR, I'll take common sense.

evildead
Oct 4, 2001, 05:45 PM
but... I hope they have a revison soon I just got a quicksilver so I cant afford one but all my mac head friends are looking to buy.

john123
Oct 4, 2001, 06:13 PM
This is from macfixit.com:

New notebooks on the way? An Apple dealer informs us that he just received an email from his Apple rep stating 'Start reducing you inventory of Tibooks and iBooks.' He adds: "Make of it what you will. But when Apple tells us to unload stuff it usually means something is just around the corner."

evildead
Oct 4, 2001, 06:18 PM
I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. Gosh I better start up my new Mac fund again. I could use a portable. :)

Gelfin
Oct 5, 2001, 12:21 AM
Gah. At this point I'm even willing to take out one of the just-shy-of-usurous Apple Loans to get one (hey, it's only 83 bucks a month for the rest of my life!)

A friend has recently been bitching about how a TiBook he's working on is having the case-flexing slot loader misalignment problem, thus reminding me why I definitely don't want a first gen machine.

In case Steve is lurking here somewhere (because I just know he's got nothing better to do, of course): Dude, you've got me. I am totally vulnerable. I have a big wheelbarrow full of cash I'm just itching to dump into Apple's coffers. You just have to GIVE ME MY FREAKING PBG4 MARK II. NOW NOW NOW. Thanks. 'Preciate it.

Ckelly
Oct 5, 2001, 12:41 PM
Why would apple jump to a g5 at that megahetrz so quickly? Don't plan on that. Lets focus on the dual 800 and 867 with OS X.1 these machines are the best on the planet.

evildead
Oct 5, 2001, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Ckelly
Why would apple jump to a g5 at that megahetrz so quickly? Don't plan on that. Lets focus on the dual 800 and 867 with OS X.1 these machines are the best on the planet.


Thats true... but we are talking about the possibility of the new PowerBooks... not the Quicksilvers

john123
Oct 5, 2001, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by evildead
Originally posted by john123
Delays are likely due to the destructive typhoon in Taiwan that has screwed up production across the board.

MOSR hasn't been on-target in a long, long time.


That doesnt explian the end of life reports. And besides .. my relitives in Taiwan say it wasnt that bad. They get them all the time.


In response to your "it wasn't that bad" comment, here is a story from go2mac.com:

<<Typhoon to Blame for iBook Delays
Fri, 05 Oct 2001, 11:00
David Carkhuff


There was a typhoon that killed at least 36 people near Taiwan last week. My TiBook has been in for repair for three weeks now (VERY unusual for Apple, repairs being usually a three day process), and this was reported to me to be the reason for the delay.

It is gone now, but shipping channels are backed up as a result. When complaining about low iBook stock, please take this (and especially the lost lives...I'm told 10+ Apple factory workers are among the dead) into account. >>

evildead
Oct 5, 2001, 02:40 PM
To Johh

I didn't know it was that bad. My moms family just said that it wasnt that big this time. You said "Near Taiwan" Did you mean on Taiwan? 10 Workers at an Apple factory. Thats pretty bad.

Traveler
Oct 5, 2001, 04:14 PM
done an analysis to see with what frequency Apple releases new hardware. For instance, is it a regular schedule, more or less, that we can time. Say, every 6-8 months or is it pretty irregular? Just curious...

john123
Oct 5, 2001, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Traveler
done an analysis to see with what frequency Apple releases new hardware. For instance, is it a regular schedule, more or less, that we can time. Say, every 6-8 months or is it pretty irregular? Just curious...

It depends on the product. Product cycles these days are typically 6-9 months, which is why a PowerBook revision is overdue.

The Pismo was Jan/Feb 2000; it was revised Sept 2000; the TiBook came out Jan 2001.

The iMac that came out in July had the Blue Dalmation and Flower Power predecessors from January, and its predecessors were the iMacs from the previous July.

The caveat here is that these announcements mimic Macworld and Apple Expos, and you are going to see Apple doing less announcements at Expos and more announcements at odd times. The iBook's announcement in May was an example of a new product that came out without any truly major event in proximate timeframe (WWDC doesn't really count). The reason for this is that introducing products at Expos creates a product buying cycle in which consumers don't buy for 1-3 months before an expo, thereby killing Apple...and if Apple doesn't introduce the product that people were "expecting," then those consumers get upset, which gives the corporate stock a hit. MWNY in July was an example of this phenomenon, with everyone wanting things like an LCD iMac and a G4 sphere and other such nonsense.

ceese
Oct 5, 2001, 07:03 PM
No really, I'd like to see a Tibook with a 15" 1530*864 display, 40gig hd, 1.5gig ram and slot loading dvd.

john123
Oct 5, 2001, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by ceese
No really, I'd like to see a Tibook with a 15" 1530*864 display, 40gig hd, 1.5gig ram and slot loading dvd.

Other than the screen resolution, most of what you mentioned is easy:

order a regular TiBook, minimum configuration. Put in a 48 GB IBM Travelstar (roughly $400) and 2 512MB chips (roughly $260). Doing that work yourself will make your wallet hurt much much less than if you had Apple do it.

warwick_t
Oct 6, 2001, 12:20 AM
would GbE be included inthe speculated offering of the Ti2G4 PB?

Just bought a new Dual 800 (max'ed up with everything for content creation work) - and hanging out waiting for the Ti2G4 PB. MOving objects and playing DV between them over the LAN is important to us.

AJW
Oct 7, 2001, 11:37 AM
Low End:
550 MHz
1350x864 res.
GeForce2Go
DVI or ADC (at least an adapter)
30 GB HD @ 4200 RPM
256 RAM
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM
Backlit Keyboard

High End:
650 MHz
1350x864 res.
GeForce2Go
DVI or ADC (or adapter)
2 Fire Wire
48 GB HD @ 5400 RPM
512 RAM
CD-RW/DVD-ROM
Backlit Keyboard
AirPort Standard


[Edited by AJW on 10-08-2001 at 08:24 AM]

mnkeybsness
Oct 7, 2001, 12:13 PM
are you kidding me??

the mHz would be boosted to 600 low end 700 high end.

what kind of screen resolution is that 1350x864?? i don't see that one too often.

and a 48 gb hared drive is too unrealistic. 40 is still a little high for a 1 inch thick laptop.

i don't think we'll see a backlit keyboard anytime soon either, though it would be righteous.(ha ha, funny 80's word)

later

AJW
Oct 7, 2001, 02:36 PM
It's a wide screen, remember???

700 MHz migh get a little warm and suck up battery power.

IBM already makes a 48GB Travelstar HD that will (I'm pretty sure) fit in the TiBook. It's the same size as the current Ti HD.

AJW
Oct 11, 2001, 04:08 PM
Less scratchable
Less flimsy

warwick_t
Oct 15, 2001, 01:59 AM
Still waitng for the availability pf the new Ti2G4 PB.. I have cash in hand, a ghastly IBM Thinkpad that I want to replace immeiately... and no product to buy. It is the middle of october.. the prices have dropped in the Tig4.. rumors abound...

any idea when this new Ti2G$ PB will be out?

john123
Oct 15, 2001, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by warwick_t
Still waitng for the availability pf the new Ti2G4 PB.. I have cash in hand, a ghastly IBM Thinkpad that I want to replace immeiately... and no product to buy. It is the middle of october.. the prices have dropped in the Tig4.. rumors abound...

any idea when this new Ti2G$ PB will be out?

Tomorrow.

(No joke)

warwick_t
Oct 15, 2001, 04:09 AM
Ti2g4 - tommorrow??? - really?????... tommorrow being .. what time zone? I can hardly wait....

What options?
- 512B RAM
- GbE i/f???
- faster cpu
- case fix-ups (like bateery problem, case cracks etc)???
- OS 10.1???

wonderful

packrat
Oct 15, 2001, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by john123



any idea when this new Ti2G$ PB will be out?

Tomorrow.

(No joke) [/B]

I certainly hope that you're correct. Would you care to engange in some well-informed (clearly) speculation about exactly when people might realistically start getting deliveries of these machines, particulary those of us unfortunate enough to be going through educational resellers?

john123
Oct 15, 2001, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by packrat
Originally posted by john123



any idea when this new Ti2G$ PB will be out?

Tomorrow.

(No joke)

I certainly hope that you're correct. Would you care to engange in some well-informed (clearly) speculation about exactly when people might realistically start getting deliveries of these machines, particulary those of us unfortunate enough to be going through educational resellers?

[/B]
That's a heck of a lot harder. While a lot of the rumor sites were predicting tomorrow as a release date (or certainly this week), there's no info at all regarding whether they are ready to ship or will be available at the start of November, etc. MY GUESS, however, is that they will ship soon. The basic reason is that Apple waiting until the supply of TiBooks AND TiBook parts dried up before getting this puppy ready.