This website is ripping apple's look and feel off. [Archive]

dcb

Sep 23, 2003, 12:16 PM

I actually called them...I thought it was a spoof. When the operator answered I told him I just wanted to see if you were a real company...he said "Your on our website, I presume" I told him yes and he asked me what I thought about it.

I told him that I think it looked way too much like Apple's website and maybe they should consider forming their own identity. He said that they are trying to capture the innovative, contemprary, fun designs of Apple while maintaining the acceptance, productivity and components of Windows.

Hmmm...interesting. I think that they could be on to something, if they would form their own identity. I am betting Apple sues them right out of business.

SiliconAddict

Sep 23, 2003, 12:19 PM

Ripoff yes. Baboon butt ugly yes.
But dang if I don't want one of those Grand Canyon Displays. Imagine getting Unreal to run on one of these suckers. You could practically check your 6 with one of those things. However at $8,500 grand I could buy enough cinema displays to recreate this. Heck with $17,500 I could hire a bunch of trained Baboons with the Liebermann Inc logo plastered on their butts to act out an Unreal game.

SiliconAddict

Sep 23, 2003, 12:25 PM

PS is it just me or did they pull off some visual magic to make that 1.7" thick Hollywood laptop look like the PowerBook 17" 1" series? The pictures make that laptop look WAY too thin.

Stelliform

Sep 23, 2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
PS is it just me or did they pull off some visual magic to make that 1.7" thick Hollywood laptop look like the PowerBook 17" 1" series? The pictures make that laptop look WAY too thin.

All smoke and mirrors...

Sure the base is thin, but display is 1 inch thick! ;) :p

I like this shot they take at the Mac users...

Mac users only: You may experience linking errors when using the main navegation bar above, with both the Internet Explorer and Safari Browsers. We are looking into the issue and correcting it as soon as the technical issues have been identified. PC users are not affected by this.

:rolleyes: Maybe they should code their html better....

rhpenguin

Sep 23, 2003, 01:19 PM

Holy knock off Batman! To the Apple store to get my sanity back!!!

TEG

Sep 23, 2003, 01:33 PM

Interesting to say the least. But I have found some problems, first the P4HT does not have and extreme edition, I work just blocks from Intel, and I have several friends at Intel and they say this is all BS. Also, they have said that No P4 can break the 4GB barrier, thats for the P5 or the Itanium, which ever they decide to release to the Public. Also... NO BATTERY TIMES. The Laptops don't even hint at battery times, which means that its like 1/2 that of Alienware Laptops (Which are at 45min). Also, Why can't they resize the Start Button to look "normal"? Nice Machines with interesting design. Now you can show your PC whiners that Macs are priced for their Performance, and these are over priced.

I Hope Apple Sues these SOBs out of Business.
Or Buys up the designers and Marketeers.

TEG

agreenster

Sep 23, 2003, 01:48 PM

BS. This cant be a real company. For one thing, theyd get sued to death. Secondly, their products have unrealistic numbers. A 3.8 gHz Pentium 4 doesnt even exist.

I call BS.

Moxiemike

Sep 23, 2003, 01:54 PM

cliche copy. horrid HTML. nasty ugly rollovers.

i give 'em a month. maybe two tops.

simX

Sep 23, 2003, 01:57 PM

This has got to be a spoof. I mean, look at that one button on the top -- it says "WinXP 4 'l'". And then if you click on it, halfway down the page there's this hilarious picture of 4 executives trying to look casual. Seriously... what's this L business all about?

Hahaha, and "cinerama" displays? Hahahahaha. That's a good one.

I think I agree with agreenster -- it's almost definitely a spoof.

Moxiemike

Sep 23, 2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by simX
This has got to be a spoof. I mean, look at that one button on the top -- it says "WinXP 4 'l'". And then if you click on it, halfway down the page there's this hilarious picture of 4 executives trying to look casual. Seriously... what's this L business all about?

Hahaha, and "cinerama" displays? Hahahahaha. That's a good one.

I think I agree with agreenster -- it's almost definitely a spoof.

Their buttons don't even work.... if you click "laptops" you get "desktops! try it

agreenster

Sep 23, 2003, 02:06 PM

Here's proof that its false. You can find their products elsewhere on the web, made by different companies. For example, their "Hollywood" Laptop is actually made by BolData

http://www.boldata.com/html/prod.cfm/view/1/list_id/339.htm

FattyMembrane

Sep 23, 2003, 02:12 PM

check out the graphs they give for performance on the SPEC benchmarks here (http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl38/features/index.htm) and then the SPEC benchmarks apple gives here (http://www.apple.com/powermac/). somebody is making up figures for the xeons and p4s.

LimeLite

Sep 23, 2003, 02:28 PM

This almost has to be a joke. Just because you talked to someone doesn't mean it's a real company.

When you click on the win XP 4 (l) thing (link here (http://www.go-l.com/technology/index.html)) there's an absolutely blatant rip-off. Go to the very bottom of the page, and look at the second button there. Look familiar to anyone else?

LimeLite

Sep 23, 2003, 02:32 PM

You guys need to check out the store too, if you haven't already. The button doesn't work, but the link is here. (http://www.go-l.com/store/)

The displays in particular are actually pretty funny/awesome.

alset

Sep 23, 2003, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Stelliform
All smoke and mirrors...

Sure the base is thin, but display is 1 inch thick! ;) :p

I like this shot they take at the Mac users...

.......

:rolleyes: Maybe they should code their html better....

Or, maybe Apple should fix Safari. It's yet another site that I can operate in Camino without error.

Give it up for Camino, baby, yeah!

Dan

Powerbook G5

Sep 23, 2003, 02:55 PM

There is something wrong with that site. I sent the link to my friend because his uncle works for IBM's advanced research department with the PCs and he says the P4 specs and Xeon specs are *way* off (And IBM has a lot of experience with Xeon workstations), there are lots of specs that are just plain BS, and the site is a rip off of Apple's "style" to the letter. As far as it not working correctly on a Mac, they just need to stop hiring webmasters who only read from "HTML for Dummies" and get people who know how to code correctly.

Powerbook G5

Sep 23, 2003, 03:00 PM

I just looked at Intel's website and even they don't list anything *near* a 3.8 GHz processor, HTEE, 2 megs L3 cache, 950 MHz bus, or performance figures that this website does. If this is "future" technology, I can't seem to find anywhere within the PC rumor community that says this is out.

Lancetx

Sep 23, 2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by LimeLite
This almost has to be a joke. Just because you talked to someone doesn't mean it's a real company.

Another odd thing is that I can't find any independent information on this company or any of their products anywhere on the internet. Try doing a Google search, I couldn't come up with a thing. Nothing on any of the technology news sites like CNET and the like either. I seriously doubt they are legit...

agreenster

Sep 23, 2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by agreenster
Here's proof that its false. You can find their products elsewhere on the web, made by different companies. For example, their "Hollywood" Laptop is actually made by BolData

http://www.boldata.com/html/prod.cfm/view/1/list_id/339.htm

Im quoting myself because it answers the above quesitons. Of course it isnt a real company, they dont even make their own computers.

Looks like a school project to me.

dcb

Sep 23, 2003, 03:38 PM

Hey now! I'm not defending or promoting this company at all...back off. I just posted that I called to see if they were a real company. It seemed legit enough to me.

I even recieved an email from them:

----- Original Message -----
From: feedback@go-l.com
To: XXXXXXXXX
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Huh?

Dan:

Thank you for you input, especially regarding pricing.

As for your disbelief, yes we are an actual company and do have all the products we offer available to ship.

If you are interested in any items or have any questions please feel free to contact support or sales.

Thank you,
Marie Summers
Tech Support Supervisor
--------------------------------

At 01:15 PM 9/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:

I will be honest with you, I am still trying to figure out if this is a spoof of Apple or not. I'm not one of those Apple zealots, but I really think that you should create your own identity! To go just a little further, work on your website...man is it cluttered and verbose. It took me 5 minutes to find prices and I never read past the first two lines of any of your information (wow thats a lot of writing)
.
Anyway, good luck to you. I hope everything works out great!

Dan

dcb

Sep 23, 2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by agreenster
Im quoting myself because it answers the above quesitons. Of course it isnt a real company, they dont even make their own computers.

Looks like a school project to me.

Many companies sell third party products. Apple doesn't produce their computers...does that make them a fake company?

Here is a link to a news story about them:

www.monster-hardware.com
http://www.gruntville.com/
http://macminute.com/

These links make me think it could be legit.

Lancetx

Sep 23, 2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by dcb
As for your disbelief, yes we are an actual company and do have all the products we offer available to ship.

You're not the one we don't believe, it's them. :)

Well, I seriously have my doubts, but if this is true, we should be hearing about it soon enough right? I'd like to see how well these $7,000+ 3.8GHz systems perform with some independent testing...until then, I'm not buying any of their claims. :rolleyes:

P.S.: As for those news links, all they all reference is the same press release that was sent out yesterday. MacCentral was carrying this same story this morning. It doesn't prove whether they're legit or not, anyone can send out a press release. I doubt anyone has had the chance to follow up and check to see if they're for real yet.

dcb

Sep 23, 2003, 04:07 PM

P.S.: As for those news links, all they all reference is the same press release that was sent out yesterday. MacCentral was carrying this same story this morning. It doesn't prove whether they're legit or not, anyone can send out a press release. I doubt anyone has had the chance to follow up and check to see if they're for real yet

But...a reputable company (maccentral, macminute, etc) pretty much verifies all press releases. That is the first lesson in journalism...verify, verify, verify!

And I just want to note...I could care less whether they are real or not. It would be a heck of a spoof though, and I don't rule out that possibility. BUT, I am not going to immediately dismiss them simply because I don't like the idea of them ripping off Apple's website.

agreenster

Sep 23, 2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by dcb
Many companies sell third party products. Apple doesn't produce their computers...does that make them a fake company?

No, you arent paying attention--the computer they are selling (and are claiming to have made) is actually made by another company. It'd be like Apple having a Sony Vaio on their website claiming to have made it.

It is possible that they are a company that modifies existing hardware (ie, overclocking, upgrading Video Cards, etc) but they dont actually make any of this hardware.

Lancetx

Sep 23, 2003, 04:10 PM

KCK

Sep 23, 2003, 04:22 PM

Did anyone read the history of the company?? It was interesting to say the least. The Company history started out with a story about how this director was hired by Coke to make the last Coke commercial in 1999. The director was on limited time and budget so he was forced to edit his commercial on location. His Mac computer was to slow and he didn't finish editing his commercial until 10 minutes before it was suppose to air ( just before midnight 1999).

due to his poor experience with his Mac this director built his own computer. his homemade computer was so fast that his friends decided they wanted on. This director started getting more orders for his home made computers and he has finally taken some time off from directing and is turning his hobby into a new computer business.

Interesting reading but it raised all sorts of red flags in my mind

dcb

Sep 23, 2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by agreenster
No, you arent paying attention--the computer they are selling (and are claiming to have made) is actually made by another company. It'd be like Apple having a Sony Vaio on their website claiming to have made it.

It is possible that they are a company that modifies existing hardware (ie, overclocking, upgrading Video Cards, etc) but they dont actually make any of this hardware.

No, you are not paying attention. Many companies resell what other manufacturers make and put their labels on them. It is called licensing rights. It is a very, very common practice in the real world. AND, how much hardware do you think apple actually makes, or dell, or gateway?

OR, this company could sell licensing rights to other companies so that they can put their name on the product. I'm paying attention, I just assumed that fact was basic knowledge. I'll remember to fully explain myself to you for now on.

Foxer

Sep 23, 2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by KCK
due to his poor experience with his Mac this director built his own computer. his homemade computer was so fast that his friends decided they wanted on. This director started getting more orders for his home made computers and he has finally taken some time off from directing and is turning his hobby into a new computer business.

The exact quote is "noticing the shrinking market of Apple/Mac products, [the founder] bets on the PC/Windows platform."

Man, that was a bold, risky "bet" to adopt Windows in 2000. Very risky.

Something ain't right....

Ryan1524

Sep 23, 2003, 04:38 PM

Mac users only: You may experience linking errors when using the main navegation bar above,
with both the Internet Explorer and Safari Browsers. We are looking into the issue and correcting
it as soon as the technical issues have been identified. PC users are not affected by this.

why do i have a feeling they're trying to make people think apple's browser is harder to work with....that's some dirty tactics. this company is disgusting.

if you like the multi monitors...try these:

http://www.9xmedia.com/index.html
http://www.9xmedia.com/pages-Build_a_system/X-Top_Expert---5_over_5.html

http://www.9xmedia.com/Images/CONFIGURATIONS%20-%20COLOR/5%20over%205.jpg

this company is also perfectly real and they seem to specialize in multi screen setups. :)

Powerbook G5

Sep 23, 2003, 04:46 PM

It does seem odd that they copy Apple's style, find ways to poke cheap shots at Apple any chance they get, "sell" a lot of BS stuff that isn't even real or completely from another company, and a lot of the info just does not ad up. Even on a PC the site has a lot of weird errors (I checked on my roommate's HP). You'd think a legit company would be able to code a page more properly, be able to spell and use grammar more effectively, and not sell products that don't yet exist.

XnavxeMiyyep

Sep 23, 2003, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by KCK
due to his poor experience with his Mac this director built his own computer. his homemade computer was so fast that his friends decided they wanted on. This director started getting more orders for his home made computers and he has finally taken some time off from directing and is turning his hobby into a new computer business.
How strange that he was able to make Pentiums faster than Intel makes them...

ezkimo

Sep 23, 2003, 05:22 PM

Just thought you might find this interesting...The pitcher icon at
http://www.go-l.com/technology/index.html (in the middle next to the happy mac ripoff) is an icon I downloaded from xicons.com months ago...

edit: It appears that the icon in question is not for commercial uses and cant be used on another website...And the person who made it uses a PowerMac...

-Zach

filmcutter

Sep 23, 2003, 06:15 PM

If Miguel Liebermann was a "Hollywood Commercial Film Director," his name would certainly turn up on imdb.com, LA411.com, or at least Google. Maybe he is one of the "disappeared" that turns up in google search.

And what the heck is "PuRam" that keeps turning up in their PC specs??

Scam, scam, scammity scam.

RubberChicken

Sep 23, 2003, 06:26 PM

To say that they have copied Apple's website is an insult to Apple, clearly it has been inspired by someones vague recollection, then transformed into this poorly coded and designed site. The copywriting and grammer is very poor - unless English is their second language. It has to be a joke, but it's hard to believe someone has that much time up their sleeves.

solvs

Sep 23, 2003, 06:37 PM

Lets see...

Blantantly rips-off Apple (among others apparently) while insulting them (saying it’s a compliment), makes outrageous claims that it can’t seem to back up, products that don’t really exist, clueless customer service and form letter e-mails…

Anyone else reminded of BuyMusic.com? Wonder how they’re doing. Oh, right. :p

realityisterror

Sep 23, 2003, 07:29 PM

3.8GHz Accelerated Hyper-Threading Extreme
Edition 2MB L3 Cache Intel® P4
512K L2 Cache
Support for next-gen Pentium 5 Prescott CPU
950MHz System Bus
PuRam™ No System Hard Drive Configurable
Up to 1.000 faster than ATA/SCSI/FC HD based
designs with Data Burst Speeds up to 8GB/s
and I/O data requests at over 150.000 I/O sec.
Enhanced CacheFlow™ Technology
SuperBIOS™ IBPT Technology
180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling
DDR-II Performance PC4200 533MHz Dual-Channel
DDR, up to 4GB
Up to 16GB Total RAM with optional RamDrives.
Over 8.4Gb/s Memory Bandwidth
ATA-133 RAID, Serial ATA-150 Connectivity
UltraSCSI-360 & FiberChannel Expansion
Up to 2 Terabytes of Colossal Storage Capacity
Intel Performance Acceleration Technology
AGP Pro 8x Accelerated 256bit MemoryBus
Radeon™ 9800 Pro Graphics with 8 Pixel Pipelines
at 3.04Gp/s Pixel Fil rate, 21.8GB/bandwidth &
Multi-monitor, High-Definition support
Ultra High-speed 8x DVD+/-RW Optical Drive
Front Panel Multi-information LCD Status
Display, External removable HD Storage racks
with LCD Monitoring or Multi-Optical Drives
interchangeable bays
FireWire 400 & 800 Ports
Up to 8 Full-Duplex USB2 480Mb/s Ports
6 Channel Digital IA Audio with Artificial
Intelligence Audio-Sensing Technology &
S/PDIF Digital interface
3COM Gigabit LAN with AI Net
(Artificial Intelligence Net-Diagnosing)
Up to 74 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots expandability
650W VF-Speed Power Supply
AI Ultra-low noise Q-Fan technology
802.11G Wireless LAN & Bluetooth Expansion
Artificial Intelligence Auto-Recovery BIOS
Absolutely stunning design combined high-end
european critical components quality worksmanship.

i don't think i'm the only one who thinks this looks a little fishy...
Artificial intelligence Auto-Recovery?
A 6400x1200 desktop?
someone had a little too much fun with a new copy of photoshop...

reality

G5orbust

Sep 23, 2003, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by realityisterror
3.8GHz Accelerated Hyper-Threading Extreme
Edition 2MB L3 Cache Intel® P4
512K L2 Cache
Support for next-gen Pentium 5 Prescott CPU
950MHz System Bus
PuRam™ No System Hard Drive Configurable
Up to 1.000 faster than ATA/SCSI/FC HD based
designs with Data Burst Speeds up to 8GB/s
and I/O data requests at over 150.000 I/O sec.
Enhanced CacheFlow™ Technology
SuperBIOS™ IBPT Technology
180W Sub-zero Vapor Compression Cooling
DDR-II Performance PC4200 533MHz Dual-Channel
DDR, up to 4GB
Up to 16GB Total RAM with optional RamDrives.
Over 8.4Gb/s Memory Bandwidth
ATA-133 RAID, Serial ATA-150 Connectivity
UltraSCSI-360 & FiberChannel Expansion
Up to 2 Terabytes of Colossal Storage Capacity
Intel Performance Acceleration Technology
AGP Pro 8x Accelerated 256bit MemoryBus
Radeon™ 9800 Pro Graphics with 8 Pixel Pipelines
at 3.04Gp/s Pixel Fil rate, 21.8GB/bandwidth &
Multi-monitor, High-Definition support
Ultra High-speed 8x DVD+/-RW Optical Drive
Front Panel Multi-information LCD Status
Display, External removable HD Storage racks
with LCD Monitoring or Multi-Optical Drives
interchangeable bays
FireWire 400 & 800 Ports
Up to 8 Full-Duplex USB2 480Mb/s Ports
6 Channel Digital IA Audio with Artificial
Intelligence Audio-Sensing Technology &
S/PDIF Digital interface
3COM Gigabit LAN with AI Net
(Artificial Intelligence Net-Diagnosing)
Up to 74 32-bit or 64-bit PCI slots expandability
650W VF-Speed Power Supply
AI Ultra-low noise Q-Fan technology
802.11G Wireless LAN & Bluetooth Expansion
Artificial Intelligence Auto-Recovery BIOS
Absolutely stunning design combined high-end
european critical components quality worksmanship.

i don't think i'm the only one who thinks this looks a little fishy...
Artificial intelligence Auto-Recovery?
A 6400x1200 desktop?
someone had a little too much fun with a new copy of photoshop...

reality

what tipped you off? was it the 74 PCI slots? or the fact that it lists fibre channel as a hard drive spec?

This this is totally bogus. If it isnt a joke, Im going to head over to their headquarters myself and bust some heads.

Powerbook G5

Sep 23, 2003, 08:21 PM

I can't even think of any experimental futuristic computers coming out in the next decade with 74 PCI slots, HD in RAM, that kind of performance, and everything. It looks like they just took every buzz term from any computer they found and multiplied the specs by 20 and came up with a "ultimate computer to prove that Apple's G5 sucks". Seriously, it just looks like they are trying to prove the G5 isn't as fast because they are able to make up a fantasy computer that would be faster...I may wish that I had a Ferrari in my driveway or that my Ford Probe could handle like one, but all the wishing in the world won't make it so...so how do they figure wishing up this computer would suddenly "prove" that the G5 is "so much slower"?

job

Sep 23, 2003, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I just looked at Intel's website and even they don't list anything *near* a 3.8 GHz processor, HTEE, 2 megs L3 cache, 950 MHz bus, or performance figures that this website does. If this is "future" technology, I can't seem to find anywhere within the PC rumor community that says this is out.

Did anyone read the footnotes? It states that the initial processor speed is 3.2Ghz and the bus speed is 800Mhz. I'm betting that their so-called 'speed boosts' and 'improvements' are nothing more than over-clocking done at marked-up prices.

Makosuke

Sep 23, 2003, 08:30 PM

I'm highly suspicious of this company as well, although their site is impressively filled out (including a slow-loading but apparently functional online store).

Just waned to clear up a couple of things: If you read carefully, their systems actually max out at 4GB of RAM. The larger models up to "16GB" are actually a combination of 4GB motherboard ram and a RAM drive (in the case of the 16, 4GB actual ram and a 12GB RAM drive). So they're not doing anything technically impossible there, just highly misleading.

The processors seem to be heavily overclocked P4 3.2s (especially given the "180W cooling system" their specs list), but I'm again suspicious.

And the "up to 74 PCI slots" is referring to an external expansion chassis--there's a picture if you try their BTO store. It's possible (with a Mac, too--companies like Magma), but they don't even give a price for that option.

My point is, it's possible that they're OEM rebranding some stuff, and building decked-out, overclocked boxes for the rest.

But even if it is legit, they're still blatantly ripping off Apple, and doing some backhanded marketing (not making it clear that they're massively overclocking their processors, for example), so I sure wouldn't buy from them.

job

Sep 23, 2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Makosuke
My point is, it's possible that they're OEM rebranding some stuff, and building decked-out, overclocked boxes for the rest.

Ding Ding Ding!!

We have a winner folks. ;)

shadowfax

Sep 23, 2003, 08:37 PM

2 times faster than the powermac G5... at frying egg on your keyboard. dear god, those Spec2000 tests were classic.

Phazer80s

Sep 23, 2003, 09:07 PM

If I saw my icons used without my permission I'd be miffed. And if they were used on an anti-Mac site such as this, I'd be furious! Did the site owners get written permission from Sashcha Hoehne, the guy behind RAD.E8 Design (http://www.rad-e8.com) ?

Two icons from the RAD.E8 Body Care set are used on the site. The first instance is on the 'WinXP 4' page; the small mirror is Face Care's "mirror." The second instance is Face Care's "face care" cream tub, seen on... (I can't find it anymore.)

The site's definitely the result of much work... but I doubt its authenticity.

scem0

Sep 23, 2003, 09:12 PM

yeah, its a rip off.

But it's also no big deal.

scem0

Phazer80s

Sep 23, 2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by scem0
yeah, its a rip off.

But it's also no big deal.

scem0

True.

I get the impression this site's like that kid you knew growing up who always lied to get attention.

Let's not give it any more hits. Maybe it'll learn a lesson. :)

Powerbook G5

Sep 23, 2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Phazer80s
True.

I get the impression this site's like that kid you knew growing up who always lied to get attention.

Let's not give it any more hits. Maybe it'll learn a lesson. :)

Reminds me of my friend...he has a Compaq Celeron laptop. For most of the semester he bragged about how it was a "custom built $3500" laptop with the fastest processor and maxed out RAM and everything. One day I had to fix it for him and decided to see what it had under the hood...1 GHz Celeron, 256 megs RAM, a 40 gig HD, and an integrated Intel gfx. I told him how cheap his "$3500 custom built" laptop was. He insisted it was completely custom and that it only says Compaq since he liked the look and had it as the shell. Today he saw my roommate's HP and noted the ugly blue and green lights under all of the function buttons and HD/charge lights and said how he was thinking of adding that to his laptop and how easy it is to do it and mentioned how ugly the PowerMac G5 is when seeing my G5 poster on the wall and asking how I could be excited over my ugly PowerBook I ordered. Funny...this coming from a 22 year old who thinks dressing in red and orange shorts and vest every day looks cool and hip...

G5orbust

Sep 23, 2003, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Reminds me of my friend...he has a Compaq Celeron laptop. For most of the semester he bragged about how it was a "custom built $3500" laptop with the fastest processor and maxed out RAM and everything. One day I had to fix it for him and decided to see what it had under the hood...1 GHz Celeron, 256 megs RAM, a 40 gig HD, and an integrated Intel gfx. I told him how cheap his "$3500 custom built" laptop was. He insisted it was completely custom and that it only says Compaq since he liked the look and had it as the shell. Today he saw my roommate's HP and noted the ugly blue and green lights under all of the function buttons and HD/charge lights and said how he was thinking of adding that to his laptop and how easy it is to do it and mentioned how ugly the PowerMac G5 is when seeing my G5 poster on the wall and asking how I could be excited over my ugly PowerBook I ordered. Funny...this coming from a 22 year old who thinks dressing in red and orange shorts and vest every day looks cool and hip...

People like that need to be dragged out into the streets, beaten with clubs, then shot.

coolsoldier

Sep 23, 2003, 11:18 PM

If you have the "Debug Menu" enabled in Safari, set "User Agent" to Windows MSIE 6.0, and force reload the page -- suddenly, most of the buttons go to the right pages :)

So basically, this site was specifically designed to screw up in mac browsers -- Interesting.

Powerbook G5

Sep 23, 2003, 11:21 PM

I figured that was the case since the message on the main page basically said in so many words "Sorry, if you have a Mac you aren't good enough to browse this page without a crapload of bugs because we want everyone to think that the PC is the only computer you need to use the internet"

gello2424

Sep 23, 2003, 11:56 PM

WOW!! They say that there 17" Laptop is almost twice as fast as the G5 2.0!!!

If there are real I think those moniters are kind of cool but that is just me.

Counterfit

Sep 24, 2003, 12:01 AM

Oh they're real, just not from that company.

Moxiemike

Sep 24, 2003, 12:32 AM

has anyone tried to order something to see what happens?

gello2424

Sep 24, 2003, 12:47 AM

I am going to there "office" tomorrow to see if this is for real or at least one thing that they claim.

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 01:12 AM

Guys have any of you read the specs on the equipment

obviously it's a spoof of apple,

"Presenting the world's fastest 16" and most feature rich laptop ever made. 's new Producer notebook is the ultimate professional mobile workstation featuring a phenomenal 16" UltraSpeed™ display and technologies never before conceivable in a small factor, like PuRam™ No System HD_technology, support for up to 4 internal hard drives 320GB with built-in RAID technology, up to 2 optical drives, upgradeable 3.20GHz Pentium 4 Hyper-Threading CPU, 800MHz Bus clock speed, dual-Channel DDR 433MHz Memory up to 4 GB, the world's highest performing mobile graphics chip ATI Mobility Radeon™ 9600 Pro 128MB_DDR, built-in MP3 Player, TV_Tuner, 6-1 card reader, DVI output, Pro 6 channel Digital Audio, and more, make the ultimate desktop replacement and the most powerful notebook computer ever engineered. And with SuperComputing SuperBIOS™ and CacheFlow™ Technologies, and an exclusive optimized OS with over 2800 proprietary performance and productivity enhancements, it is radically like no other."

i thought it was hilarious,

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 01:14 AM

the only thing that resembles something real is that cinerama display, i saw a company release a prebuild system for a G4 that could support a set up like that

it had a dual monitor support card, plus a second graphics card in the PCI slot to support the 3rd monitor

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 01:20 AM

sorry about the overlabs, i'm noticing that everybody already got that far...

my bad

SiliconAddict

Sep 24, 2003, 01:28 AM

Now I'm confused. Below is a screenshot of the digital cert for the checkout site. This stuff cost money, how much I don't have a clue. If nothing else it means they put A LOT of effort into a fake site. I went as far as to the point where they ask for a credit card. Thanks but I'll spend my 7 grand somewhere else. If this is a fake and they take a CCard its fraud. I've been doing some snooping with who owns this site, easy enough to do at register.com, and there is a whole hell of a lot of things that don't add up and some that do. :confused:

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 01:28 AM

Whatever the motive, hats off to these guys,

they put together a very entertaining website,

great use of jargon, very well thought out specs,

this was probably some multimedia project a bunch or maybe even one, of guys made.

And someone really like it and they put it up,

no reason to get all bent out of shape about it, it's like Celebs and polititions getting mad at SLN or the simpsons for making fun of them on TV...

I love this Website, haha check out the rock sections, it's awsome

now that i think about it probably a business/multimedia project... my friends in commerce do it as they're end projects, make up a company with products and sell it to the professors, and if it's good, they get good marks.... these guys went all out

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 01:53 AM

"The Store also accepts bank wire transfers as a valid form of payment"

and they have a offshore numbered account at the bottom to sent money too..

this is so worth an A+

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 02:01 AM

sorry to be flooding this thread with post after post, but i can't seem to get enough of this

the desktop has a cooling system that runs at -35 degrees celcius to account for the heat exerted by the chip

dcb

Sep 24, 2003, 09:58 AM

Excerpts from an email recieved from Go-l.

"...I was almost impelled to write a post [referring to this thread]. Yes there is a 3.2 Intel Extreme Edition CPU, yes you can run it at 3.8GHz with proper cooling, no we did not rip-off icons from other people and instead asked for their permission to use them, and I could go on and on... but what's the point..."

I would post the rest of the email, but I agree with Go-l...whats the point.

I think this company is probably legitimite. They may not have the smartest marketing department...but they are doing nothing different than any other company. The truth is, every company has "fine" print. Every company is going to make their product look like the greatest thing since sliced bread. I certainly think they are overdoing it a bit and I question their moral compass; nonetheless, every computer company is guilty of maxing out specs to make their systems look better. Some companies even cheat with their benchmark results...

Abraxsis

Sep 24, 2003, 10:02 AM

A -35 degree cooling system is not impossible, if you read the stuff on the site it is a modified air conditioning unit using r404a coolant. -35 would be no problem, with the heat given off by such a chip I would imagine this to cancel out at around 10 degree celcius, which is excellent. Personally I think the site is real, and yes I read someone mentioning fibre channel as an impossible HD option, YES fibre channel can be used with hard drives. (just look on ebay, theyre everywhere) Really I dont see anything on the site that would be blatantly incorrect as long as these are highly over clocked, over the top modded, machines. Oh and PuRAM which people are mentioning is non-volitile memory so it can be used as a RAM drive, which most of you know is SERIOUSLY fast I/O. I dont like the laptops personally, and I bet they get 5 minutes worth of battery time. But the dektops (at least the cases) are very nice, and Id love to cram a dual G5 in there ... heh.

And on a personal note, those are the most kick-a$$ display setups I have ever seen.

dcb

Sep 24, 2003, 10:32 AM

There are actually some pretty good reviews of the Asetek cooling systems they are using. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20001103/

By the way revenuee, Are you trying to feed misinformation intentionally? The website states up to -35c and documents how they accomplish it pretty well AND the bank wire purchase option isn't an offshore account - it's a Wells Fargo Bank in CA. Whether this company is legit or not, ethical or unethical...there is no need to misinform people who are reading this thread.

agreenster

Sep 24, 2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by dcb
Excerpts from an email recieved from Go-l.

"...I was almost impelled to write a post [referring to this thread]. Yes there is a 3.2 Intel Extreme Edition CPU, yes you can run it at 3.8GHz with proper cooling, no we did not rip-off icons from other people and instead asked for their permission to use them, and I could go on and on... but what's the point..."

Oh yeah right. Like Apple gave permission to use the "Finder" icon. They are so full of crap. Another thing is, they dont give credit where credit is due. The 'Hollywood' laptop is just an overclocked BolData laptop, but they dont mention that......EVER.

SiliconAddict

Sep 24, 2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by agreenster
Oh yeah right. Like Apple gave permission to use the "Finder" icon. They are so full of crap. Another thing is, they dont give credit where credit is due. The 'Hollywood' laptop is just an overclocked BolData laptop, but they dont mention that......EVER.

My GOD! The BolData laptop tweaked out is something like half that if the (What the hell is the name of this company anyways?!?!) Hollywood system. The only thing that I can see that makes the Hollywood special is that they are loading the OS onto RAM.

Zaid

Sep 24, 2003, 12:17 PM

Also note that their 16" weighs in at 9.3 lbs w/o Battery and bay options. Thats one heavy laptop. :)

And not a mention of any physical dimensions or battery life,

If this is legit, what they dont say is more telling than what they do.

btw what the hell is this PuRam stuff?

dcb

Sep 24, 2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by agreenster
Another thing is, they dont give credit where credit is due. The 'Hollywood' laptop is just an overclocked BolData laptop, but they dont mention that......EVER.

I thought we went over this? Many manufactures allow for companies to put their label on their product. It is a common practice. They don't need to give credit. Chances are, BolData is doing the same thing. Makosuke explains it well:

Originally posted by Makosuke
My point is, it's possible that they're OEM rebranding some stuff, and building decked-out, overclocked boxes for the rest.

I guess I could have went with your line:
YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION

Gee whiz, we are putting this company under more scrutiny than we put Apple through. I guarantee if we were to put apple.com under a microscope (or dell, or gateway, or microsoft) we could find just as many issues.

dcb

Sep 24, 2003, 12:36 PM

oops

slowtreme

Sep 24, 2003, 01:00 PM

I'm a Mac user, and a PC user. Apparently I'm one of a kind around here. I saw NOTHING new available for sale on that site that I could not buy from OEMs or part houses. **Including the refrigeration system that allows them to run the new P4 3.2EE at 3.8 ghz.

This isn't rocket science people. It's marketing, and that fact that they got a group of cacooned Mac users to argue about what's legit and what's not is proof of thier concept. They found a way to get traffic from people that don't regularly follow High-End and Custom (Wintel) PC parts.

But they did a good job of using the Apple feel for thier site.

Lancetx

Sep 24, 2003, 02:23 PM

OK, again I will ask, if they are indeed legit, where is some independent proof of it? The only references to them anywhere outside of their website is the same exact press release dated 9/22/03. Otherwise there is no reference to a Miguel Libermann or a Libermann Inc. anywhere that I've seen.

As far as the site is concerned, people have dug up the name and address that it's registered to on another forum. The person who owns the site registration is selling her '92 Paseo (no kidding) online because "The reason why I am selling it is because I am leaving out of the country for about one year..."

Hmmm...Now that sounds just a tad bit fishy to me, but I don't know, maybe it's just me... :)

aphexist

Sep 24, 2003, 02:49 PM

Wow.

Your sleuthwork is astounding. Is the Paseo for sale on the site?

Lancetx

Sep 24, 2003, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by aphexist
Wow.

Your sleuthwork is astounding. Is the Paseo for sale on the site?

Wasn't my sleuthwork, just what I read on another forum...the link to the car for sale by the owner of the site is down toward the bottom of the discussion.

http://www.macdailynews.com/comments.php?id=P1834_0_1_0

dcb

Sep 24, 2003, 03:19 PM

There is one discussion board that lists her home phone number, license plate number, and other info. I'd post it, but I think it is inappropriate.

Nonetheless, I still think they are a legit company. Just a bit too much under scrutiny right now.

iPC

Sep 24, 2003, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by agreenster
No, you arent paying attention--the computer they are selling (and are claiming to have made) is actually made by another company. It'd be like Apple having a Sony Vaio on their website claiming to have made it.

It is possible that they are a company that modifies existing hardware (ie, overclocking, upgrading Video Cards, etc) but they dont actually make any of this hardware.
Apple doesn't make anything themselves. G3 is IBM, G4 is Motorola, G5 is IBM, firewire chipset is Intel, etc etc etc. Sony and IBM make their own stuff (using Intel's and AMD's proc and chipset).

l is selling generic PC's and putting their name on them. No different than AlienWare for that matter. There is a growing boutique PC industry, offering "custom" solutions, based on generic machines that have been modified per that boutique's ideals.

As for Miguel Liebermann:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:Sb1d9_Q7Wu4J:www.spotstv.com/marcas/maig3/intimacherry-chicas.html+%22miguel+liebermann%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

There was a person by the same name with a eudora email adress back in the day (1996-ish)...

shadowfax

Sep 24, 2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by iPC
Apple doesn't make anything themselves. G3 is IBM, G4 is Motorola, G5 is IBM, firewire chipset is Intel, etc etc etc. Sony and IBM make their own stuff (using Intel's and AMD's proc and chipset). what? don't be an ass. we aren't talking about processors for one thing, and YES, apple makes firewire chipsets, or designs them and pays others to make them. this is actually a reason why INTEL wouldn't even touch firewire for a long time. i doubt they actually make the chipsets for their own motherboards.

but this is about laptops that are really made by other companies and branded by a bigger one. dell does this a lot, as do most other PC manufaturers.

SiliconAddict

Sep 24, 2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Zaid

btw what the hell is this PuRam stuff?

It’s where the OS itself resides in a solid state drive. (Think CF and SD cards used in digi cameras but MUCH faster.)
I REALLY want to see benchmarks on one of these systems if this is real. By loading the OS into RAM and a SS drive....heck there goes your biggest bottle neck: the hard drive. I can honestly believe that one of these system can blow a G5 out of the water. Not because the CPU is more powerful then a G5 but because all of the other system components are. The system bus is fairly equal to the G5’s SB. Just a tad under. I’m betting the SS drive easily makes up for this deficiency.

Much of the tech is explained here:
http://www.go-l.com/desktops/machl35/architecture/index.htm

The question is: Is this real. Until I see someone purchase a unit I'm going to be HIGHLY skeptical. And frankly the price of these systems are so ridiculously high that only someone with massive $$$$ can afford one. I priced out a desktop last night. It was around $7500 on the high end and $4000 on the low end for the 3.8Ghz and $3000 and $6500 for the 3.5Ghz systems. Insane. If a Wintel person comes around pointing at these systems I would point at the price. They are well out of range for, as apple puts it "The rest of us" and unless the winite is willing to put his money where his.......er.....fingers are it’s a moot point.

Powerbook G5

Sep 24, 2003, 05:04 PM

I'd be too afraid to buy something from them. The webpage is full of errors and I have never seen so many spelling and grammar errors on a corporate website. If I had the $7500 to make the ultimate PC, I'd stick with someone more reputable that I could trust like Alienware and make a sweet maxed out gaming rig with massive LCD or plasma monitor and speakers so loud they can "blast the cloths off a girl".

Makosuke

Sep 24, 2003, 05:35 PM

Now, let's try and be fair in both directions here.

As shadowfax said, iPC is wrong; Apple makes lots of things themselves. No, they don't necessarily manufacture or even design individual components, but the PowerBooks, iBooks, and every other computer they make are NOT just rebranded OEM parts; they design everything then outsource the manufacturing. The processors, hard drives, LCDs, and some internal chips of those computers are just parts off a shelf somewhere, but the motherboard and overall design is Apple-only, and Apple does sometimes use custom chips as well.

Same for the iPod; sure the OS, processor, and hard drive are available elsewhere, but if it were an OEM rebranded product you'd be able to buy an identical MP3 player without an Apple logo on it for $50 less from another company... which you can't. Not so for actuall OEM rebrands, like most of Dell's monitors or Gateway's consumer products--they just take a piece of OEM hardware and slap their logo on it.

That doesn't mean that OEM rebranding is a terrible thing; that's basically what Gateway's trying to do with their entire business these days, and Dell frequently if not always does the same thing.

And I think it's been established that if you read closely and ignore the positively massive number of randomly-generated buzzwords, l's products are technically feasable.

What, basically, they seem to be selling is every PC speedfreak's dream machines--every possible overclock and high-end hardware add-on in the book. And the prices are right in line with that (you could do a heckuva lot with a G5 for that much cash, too). Sort of like Alienware taken to the next level, which is kind of a fun idea, although I have my doubts many people are going to drop that kind of cash for that sort of system instead of just going with a loaded Dell Workstation or build-it-yourself.

HOWEVER... just because it's ok and possible doesn't guarantee this company is for real (though that's a heckuva lot of work for fun), and even if they are it still doesn't mean that they're not a bit on the shady side.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're a legit company with legit products, I still wouldn't buy anything from them because: a) Their site feels "shaky", particularly the online store; if I were to buy something I'd call it in since the cart doesn't feel right. b) Hiding simple overclocking behind a bunch of made-up jargon seems a bit iffy. c) It's such an obvious Apple copycat that it personally annoys me. d) They go a little too overboard with their techy terms. "Accelerated Hyper-Threading Extreme Edition" when "Overclocked P4 with Hyper Threading" would've done. e) Implying your computer has 16GB of RAM when it really only has 4GB and a 12GB RAM drive (which is wildly different) is rather dishonest, and there are other things like that scattered around.

The whole thing strikes me as the hardware equivalent of BuyMusic.com--A company tries to copy the look and functionality of an Apple product, and if you read superficially it looks like a better deal, but once you look more closely although they aren't technically lying it's just not the Real Thing(tm).

scem0

Sep 24, 2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I'd be too afraid to buy something from them. The webpage is full of errors and I have never seen so many spelling and grammar errors on a corporate website. If I had the $7500 to make the ultimate PC, I'd stick with someone more reputable that I could trust like Alienware and make a sweet maxed out gaming rig with massive LCD or plasma monitor and speakers so loud they can "blast the cloths off a girl".

Alienware is so damned expensive though.

The main reason to get a PC IMO is because they are cheap. Alienware comps are definitely not cheap, and most of the cases are corny looking too.

scem0

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 08:38 PM

i can't find anything else about this company on the internet other then whats on the website.

Not one shread of information about the founder Miguel Liebermann anywhere on the internet.

Has anybody heard anything about this company.

If they are legit, seem's strange that a company with such high growth potential, and such state of the art equipment is no-where to be found both in tech news, or public stock trading.

i sent them an emal saying that as a mac user i really like the site, and i thought it was entertaining.

they sent me a very nice email back, if anyone wants to read it, let me know and i will post it

Although a response to the first email took only a few hours to recieve a reply, I have sent another email, asking about specific investement information, as far as public stock exchanges, private investing, ect, and i havn't recieved anything yet. It has only been about a day, but if i don't get some sort of response in a the next two days, i feel something is foul.

ezkimo

Sep 24, 2003, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by revenuee
i sent them an email saying that as a mac user i really like the site, and i thought it was entertaining.

they sent me a very nice email back, if anyone wants to read it, let me know and i will post it

I would be interested in reading it :)

-Zach

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 09:08 PM

Well here is the email.

Thank you for your kind words. We have been working very hard to make this happen and are completely at awe, with everyone's usually energetically positive response.

However, our hat goes off to you.

Thats' because you are among the few Mac users appreciate another company's efforts without finger-pointing we are trying to clone Apple and copy their products. We are swamped with harsh emails from Mac users, incapable of simply saying anything good about us what so ever, afraid, we guess, that, god forbid, a Windows PC maker, actually managed to be a bit over the average of the horrendous websites that typically plague the Windows world.

About 40% of our staff here at L are Mac people and use Macs. We personally have 12 iMacs, four G4s and two G5s, and no one here has any doubts that the Macs are the world's most spectacular computers and that OSX, makes Windows look pre-historic. We hope one day to be able to produce computer products half as good and well-built as the Macs are.

So every message like yours make a difference to all of us. It means our efforts can be appreciated by the people that do it best in the industry.

Thanks again.

Julie Able
Sales Coordinator
Liebermann Inc.
A California Corporation
www.go-l.com <http://www.go-l.com/>

Ryan1524

Sep 24, 2003, 09:20 PM

hm...at least they're good sport. either that or they're trying to gain more of your sympathy. ;) let's hope the former, becasue it's nice to actually a pc maker admiring apple's ways. :)

or the third option is they're fake and would say anything to please anyone..

revenuee

Sep 24, 2003, 09:46 PM

why would a company that makes such state of the art machines have that many macs... wierd

Xnet

Sep 24, 2003, 10:02 PM

The whole this is a fake, probably part of a business psychology college experiment or something....

the site links to pictures directly off alienware site....

also look at the picture at
http://www.go-l.com/support/contactus/index.htm
odd eh?

read about it here

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=132020

flyfish29

Sep 24, 2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by dcb
But...a reputable company (maccentral, macminute, etc) pretty much verifies all press releases. That is the first lesson in journalism...verify, verify, verify!

And I just want to note...I could care less whether they are real or not. It would be a heck of a spoof though, and I don't rule out that possibility. BUT, I am not going to immediately dismiss them simply because I don't like the idea of them ripping off Apple's website.

I am sorry, but this doesn't seem like a spoof, this IS A SCAM SITE! they are using two things to pull the woll over peoples eyes: Apple like flash and unbelievable specs. They will be in the news in a matter if months or a year about how many people sent them credit card info to buy a "computer" that might never show up, and if it does it will be a piece of crap they bought someplace and sent you the buyer that in no way lives up to the specs. If you keep up on internet business there have been scams exactly like this in almost every business sector. I was just reading about how many children's stores there are on line that are scams. They operate for months before they are shut down and they are usually run off shore. Just because they have a somewhat nice website, they answer their e-mail and phone, doesn't mean they really sell computers, or at least the computers they advertise.

Buyer beware...if it sounds too good (or cool) to be true, it most likely is!

Johnny

Powerbook G5

Sep 24, 2003, 10:17 PM

It does seem pretty damn too good to be true...my God, can you imagine the kind of performance these things would have? Seriously, these would be the ultimate performance demons in the PC world. Not to mention those desktop cases look insanely awesome for a gaming rig.

aphexist

Sep 24, 2003, 10:25 PM

why do you think this site is too good to be true? they are not selling anything that is fake. they are not claiming to give anything away for free.

why do you think a picture of a girl at a desk is so incredible? it is a small company that has built it's own web site. that is why there are errors. they do not link to graphics on Alienware's website; it appears that they are try to link to a graphic on the web master's windows desktop. for a small company, even though they are using a packaged merchant suite for their site, putting a site like this together would take at least a few weeks.

why is it so unbelievable that the domain name for the company was registered by someone that wasn't the CEO? people are tracking down this girl and are about to start stalking her because she signed up for a domain...way to go, Sherlock(s).

why do you people get so defensive?

XnavxeMiyyep

Sep 24, 2003, 10:34 PM

Actually, that girl at the desk is using a Mac.

besson3c

Sep 25, 2003, 12:25 AM

I say that everybody here email them and ask them basically if they are for real or not, since their design looks just like Apple's.

I think this would be pretty funny if we could get a huge quantity of email sent to them.

aafuss1

Sep 25, 2003, 01:22 AM

There's a Windows app available called Quicktime Alternative:
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1049831315

The name of this program seems to be infringing on Apple's Quicktime trademark-and the author has used the trademark without permission from Apple.

rebelberg21

Sep 25, 2003, 02:06 AM

Does anyone have a link to Intel's website where the Extreme Edition is covered? talked about? even just mentioned?

I'm not being sarcastic. I just can't find it.

If this P4 extreme edition does exists I'm curious to read about it.

Thanks

This whole Go-L.com thing has been kind of exciting and funny....whether it's true or not....

mmmdreg

Sep 25, 2003, 02:21 AM

I could've sworn when i went there yesterday they had Apple G5's in their little benchmark graphs. Where're they now?

rebelberg21

Sep 25, 2003, 02:46 AM

Well I have a good feeling just like many people this company and website are fake.

But either way, I have to give them recognition.

..if it's fake...then wow...pretty creative...must have took a lot of time....and it's sure fooled a few websites I respect....

...if it's real...then really wow...some very impressive systems.....

can't wait to see how it turns out.....

Zaid

Sep 25, 2003, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by rebelberg21

If this P4 extreme edition does exists I'm curious to read about it.

I remembered seeing something about it on Slashdot the other day. Anyway here is the link (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/17/1826213&mode=thread&tid=118&tid=187) to the slashdot story.

dcb

Sep 25, 2003, 12:00 PM

Yes, they are real! It's even a mac story, so pc trolls aren't out to pull your legs

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/25/liebermann/index.php?redirect=1064472857000

SiliconAddict

Sep 25, 2003, 12:10 PM

I know someone that runs a rather influential Pocket PC site. They are going to be contacting the a few people they know at maximumPC (A PC gaming PC mag.) and see if they can get further info on this site/company. I REALLY want to see benchmarks on one of these desktops.

tomf87

Sep 25, 2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by TEG
... But I have found some problems, first the P4HT does not have and extreme edition, I work just blocks from Intel, and I have several friends at Intel and they say this is all BS. Also, they have said that No P4 can break the 4GB barrier, thats for the P5 or the Itanium, which ever they decide to release to the Public. Also... NO BATTERY TIMES. The Laptops don't even hint at battery times, which means that its like 1/2 that of Alienware Laptops (Which are at 45min). ...

The Itanium can break the 4GB barrier. Intel's own server platform supports up to 32GB:

http://www.intel.com/design/servers/buildingblocks/sr870bn4/index.htm?iid=ipp_srvr+srvrplat_sr870bn4&

32-bit processors, such as the P3 Xeon 500 (I have a few of these) support 16GB of RAM through an instruction set in the processor called Physical Address Extension (PAE).

The P4 Extreme is the P4 3.2Ghz chip (some of the reviews of this proc are on the net):

http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL6WG&ProcFam=483&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL

As for battery time, just because they don't specify the time doesn't mean it's half of Alienware. Do you have some concrete information to back this?

notjustjay

Sep 26, 2003, 04:40 PM

A quick Google Groups search reveals a person by the name of Michael Petersen has been posting in the newsgroup adobe.golive.windows, apparently very perplexed as to why all the links are screwed up on Mac browsers.

Interesting.

The Google search also reveals this message:

http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=go-l.com&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3F7339A0.48D105FC%40odense.kollegienet.dk&rnum=12

Almost no translation is required.. ;)

Vlade

Sep 26, 2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by applemacdude
It looks like Apple's website but it's so damn ugly. Urghhh so ugly

I think it looks good, but it did copy off apple.

ac2102

Sep 26, 2003, 06:08 PM

Dont know whether or not anyone has picked this up or not yet, but the 15" (laptop) resolution is stated as 2048x1536, and the 17" as 1600x1200.

Hmmmmm. Doesnt quite add up really. Sound like a very badly done scam to me.

Cubeboy

Sep 26, 2003, 07:44 PM

I've noticed that the Inquirer has an article (http://theinquirer.net/?article=11693) on these guys. Still, some of the features they've listed are quite unrealistic (DDR-II compatible P4 motherboard? PuRAM? Cacheflow? SuperBios? Why I never knew such technologies existed! :rolleyes: ). It is very possible however, to sell similarly configured systems (3.8 GHz OC'ed P4, DDR-500, overclocked chipset, liquid cooling) assuming Intel allows it (which is doubtful).

Xnet

Sep 27, 2003, 05:12 PM

here is more proof that its not a 'real' company that sells those products...

http://plex.us/outbursts/liebermann.html

aphexist

Sep 27, 2003, 07:02 PM

That link is retarded. Everything he posts as "proof" that this is a scam is circumstantial. For example, the Grand Canyon display is a fake because it is "too exotic." Whatever, I have a triple headed 3x18" display at work that I have been using since last year. It is just four TFTs in a plastic enclosure...whoop.

"The 15" laptop is fake because I have never heard of an LCD with that resolution. Ehhh....and I called them and asked and they said that it might be made by Samsung." Well it is made by Samsung...I've never heard of QXGA TFTs either but it is on Samsung's site (listed at 2,048 x 1,536 res).

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/TFTLCD/NotePC/LTN150Q1/LTN150Q1.htm

Current speculation is that this is her in the picture. She's using Mac OS 9 apparently. I theorize she's an underemployed writer along with being a horse trainer. Watch out Lisa, he's after ya! Well Mr. Journalist, I theorize that you are a complete loser.

Oh, and we have got satellite photos of LA. More proof! It's like a live webcam into their scheming business. I don't see any computers or Grand Canyon monitors in the parking lot. Must be a scam.

All in all, I can't believe that people are still talking about this. Are you fiending for a witchhunt? Do you pine to be a psuedo-vigilante for wealthy consumers? Go start a soup kitchen or something. Volunteer to build/donate/maintain computers for an under-funded public school. Play Russian Roulette with a semi-auto...

revenuee

Sep 27, 2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by aphexist
Play Russian Roulette with a semi-auto...

Haha, thats awsome

dcb

Sep 27, 2003, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Xnet
here is more proof that its not a 'real' company that sells those products...

http://plex.us/outbursts/liebermann.html

That's not proof. It is simply a sophmoric approach to logic that magnifies the authors stupidity. Whoever wrote that obviously has no concept of how businesses operate. Holy fences,...I could rip apart apple and the G5 the same way.

Rower_CPU

Sep 27, 2003, 11:09 PM

Lancetx

Sep 29, 2003, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by dcb
That's not proof. It is simply a sophmoric approach to logic that magnifies the authors stupidity. Whoever wrote that obviously has no concept of how businesses operate. Holy fences,...I could rip apart apple and the G5 the same way.

Well, I can sure say after reading it that whomever wrote it has come up with a hundred times more proof that they are a hoax than you have that they aren't one. What's up with your passionate defense of these clowns anyway? Real company or not, they're obviously shady even in the best light you can put them in. It's hardly a coincedence either that now Forbes and some other sites have since pulled their news articles relating to this "company"...

DonSL777

Sep 29, 2003, 06:15 PM

Folks:

If you dig into the site you'll eventually come across an extensive plug for a graphic designer named Rick Butler, who's heavily involved in OS X graphic design. His client list contains some very well known national companies. Funny ... no mention anywhere of Liebermann!

Visit the following link and decide for yourself if the Liebermann is a "real" company or not.

http://www.burninglogo.com

And, by the way, I would be willing to bet that Rick is a regular visitor to this thread and is laughing his butt off!

Cheers!
Don

bond2

Sep 30, 2003, 08:55 AM

If you actually try to order something it just shows a blank page. Amazingly detailed though. Someone sure put alot of time into this page. Maybe the web designer uses this page to show off his talent to prospective customers.

Chappers

Sep 30, 2003, 10:20 AM

what about this for those windozey types - not totally on topic but fun
http://pcdesktops.emuunlim.com/desktopx21-25.shtml

Counterfit

Sep 30, 2003, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by DonSL777
And, by the way, I would be willing to bet that Rick is a regular visitor to this thread and is laughing his butt off!

Cheers!
Don I dunno about Rick, but I sure am! :D

acj

Oct 1, 2003, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Cubeboy
I've noticed that the Inquirer has an article (http://theinquirer.net/?article=11693) on these guys. Still, some of the features they've listed are quite unrealistic (DDR-II compatible P4 motherboard? PuRAM? Cacheflow? SuperBios? Why I never knew such technologies existed! :rolleyes: ). It is very possible however, to sell similarly configured systems (3.8 GHz OC'ed P4, DDR-500, overclocked chipset, liquid cooling) assuming Intel allows it (which is doubtful).

All these technologies are real, and intel allows sale of overclocked processors. They even manufacture motherboards designed for overclocking, any of the PE series. This is a new thinng for them.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

acj

Oct 1, 2003, 09:40 PM

maccentral article: "liebermann is real" (http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/25/liebermann/)

rebelberg21

Oct 1, 2003, 09:48 PM

No offense...

But I'm taking that article from Maccentral with a grain of salt...

I still don't believe they're real...

And I don't think this thread is ridiculous....it's kind of fun...

It will be interesting to see what happens.....

Show me where on Intel's that talks about Pentium 4 "Extreme Edition" and I'll start believing a little more...

I still think this company is a fake....

coolsoldier

Oct 1, 2003, 10:42 PM

...when they misspelled the website as "go-I.com" (Real website is "go-(lowercase L).com"

Cubeboy

Oct 3, 2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by acj
All these technologies are real, and intel allows sale of overclocked processors. They even manufacture motherboards designed for overclocking, any of the PE series. This is a new thinng for them.

This whole thread is ridiculous.

Can you provide some links to demonstrate that the technologies I've cited on my previous post (DDR-II P4 motherboard, PuRAM, Cacheflow, SuperBIOs) exist and are useable in a desktop configuration? I've done a decent amount of searching and the only references I've found for all but one of those technologies was from go-l itself.

Intel's own DDR-II compatible chipset (grantsdale (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20030331140633.html) ) is scheduled to be introduced 2Q 2004 and competitive chipset designs from dedicated motherboard makers (Via, SiS) likely won't be available until after Grantsdale's launch. Intel itself, is including DDR-I support for Grantsdale in case DDR-II is not ready to go yet. That a small non-dedicated company like go-l already has a DDR-II compatible P4 motherboard seems quite ludicrous to me.

Cubeboy

Oct 3, 2003, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by rebelberg21
No offense...

But I'm taking that article from Maccentral with a grain of salt...

I still don't believe they're real...

And I don't think this thread is ridiculous....it's kind of fun...

It will be interesting to see what happens.....

Show me where on Intel's that talks about Pentium 4 "Extreme Edition" and I'll start believing a little more...

I still think this company is a fake....

The Pentium 4 Extreme Edition was announced by Intel's Vice President Louis Burns during his keynote at IDF.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11604

The overclocked Pentium 4 is actually very viable, it's just that many of the other components seem fake.

DonSL777

Oct 3, 2003, 07:04 PM

Let's take an informal poll, since the underlying question seems to be whether or not this company is legitimate.

A) The company is for real, and portends or can actually produce the technologies they represent.

B) The company is for real, but is a sham because they cannot possibly deliver the technologies they claim to deliver.

C) The company is not real, and somebody is just trying to see how many people they can dupe into visiting the site, continuing with thread discussions such as this one, and getting interviews from major media sources -- only to have them pulled down shortly after original publication.

D) I have no idea. Could be real, could be a clever hoax.

"Vote early and vote often!"
- Al Capone