Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Software Updater

[MacRumors]

For users who have not yet upgraded, the Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update no longer appears in Software Update.

While the majority of users (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=280) who applied the update have done fine... there are multiple reports (http://www.macbytes.com/) of problems -- including users' losing network connections (potential fix (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@79.GazDasvyeKX.1@.5999d9d9/10)) and others are having boot problems on their iMacs/eMacs (http://page2.macrumors.com/).

Standalone updaters (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/09/20030923070959.shtml) are still available for download, but users should likely proceed with caution until Apple reposts 10.2.8 in their Software Update control panel.

[uberman42]

whoops! There goes quality control...TGIDUY - Thank God I Didn't Upgrade Yet.

[jimthorn]

Yikes! I just updated both my Macs, so I hope everything's OK.

[Jerry Spoon]

Crud. I already downloaded. I usually wait a day too just to make sure there are no problems. That'll teach me.

[Mudbug]

I was waiting to upgrade here at the office for this very reason. I can screw up a home computer with little impact on my daily life, but problems at work can't be had right now.

Glad I waited.

[scmacdaddy]

hope my OS doesn't freak out

[foofan]

i updated my eMac 1ghz yesterday. I haven't had any problems so far.

[mustang_dvs]

Woe be to the pathfinders, those on the bleeding edge...

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by mustang_dvs
Woe be to the pathfinders, those on the bleeding edge...

I believe this may be one of those times that is the reason they call it the "bleeding" edge... :D

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Well, I've been running 10.2.8 since this morning on my iBook 700 with Combo and have had no problems. I don't use an ethernet connection, but use AirPort for Wi-Fi, which is still functioning perfectly well. All the usual stuff I use is working great and the OS does appear to be a bit snappier. HDD access has gone down a bit too. I've also watched DVDs and burned from the combo without problem. Might be desktop specific problems.

[mvc]

Have apple ever pulled an update off of Software Update before? I can't remember one, but I could be wrong.

I'm glad I was reading the forums and decided there was too much chance of grief with this one.

Besides, seems there is always some driver or application that gets broken, so I usually wait a few weeks and check round for 3rd party updates.

This must suck if you have an affected machine.

[SilentPanda]

I have an 800 mhz g4 15" fp iMac and am sitting just fine ethernet and all... no slow downs for me... hmm... but I can't doubt that there are issues obviously... I'm just glad I don't have them as I'm a habitual updater...

[dswoodley]

I can only say, with a few exceptions, my experience with 2.8 has been slower across the board on my 17" iMac. Hope a fix is forthcoming before panther is released

[CaptainScarlet]

12 different Mac upgrades yesterday... No problems.

Hmm.....It maybe a specific type of Mac...
And we just don't have that one!!!




CS...out

[goldmember]

Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
Well, I've been running 10.2.8 since this morning on my iBook 700 with Combo and have had no problems. I don't use an ethernet connection, but use AirPort for Wi-Fi, which is still functioning perfectly well. All the usual stuff I use is working great and the OS does appear to be a bit snappier. HDD access has gone down a bit too. I've also watched DVDs and burned from the combo without problem. Might be desktop specific problems.

Have you had any drop in battery life? I was experiencing about 1/2 the time I had under 10.2.7, but I haven't recalibrated the battery yet.

[Powerbook G5]

This may be totally wrong, but from what I've gathered from other people's comments, the update goes wrong with those who have had Panther beta on their systems. Perhaps Apple now knows just how many users have been jumping the gun with the new OS? ;)

[sonyrules]

i have a single 800 power mac, and i installed it last night, after it installed, the computer hung, something it doesnt do. Then when i got home from work, Safari no longer works at all, and my system is really slow. Does anyone have any ideas how i can remove the update? any help would be great

Jr

[KindredMAC]

I updated last night when I got home from work and my 14" 900mhz iBook froze on restart on the blue screen before the log in window. I let it sit there for about 10 minutes because I could here the hard drive chattering. After 10 minutes the log in screen popped up and everything was as usual.... UNTIL I tried to eject a CD. The CD icon disappeared from the desktop and nothing happened. The CD didnt pop out and I kept hitting the eject button..... NOTHING. I logged out and then the cd tray popped out. Have had NO problems since then last night. GOOD LUCK EVERYONE ELSE!

[Chealion]

This was one bad update... I don't remember an update that had this many problems... How many updates has Apple ever pulled like this?

And how did these bugs get past the beta testers?

[Falleron]

Applied and works fine here. (on a daul 1ghz g4)

[beefcake]

Aside from a sound glitch that a restart fixed, my system has been running fairly well. Battery life took a dive, but I'm in the process of recalibrating it.

[jamesatzones]

I've been reading all the problems that users have experienced and I am lucky that I can say no problems so far. (now watch, my system is going to go down just because I said that)

[MrMacMan]

Apple -- Whoops!

Me -- You should have released 10.2.7 !

To everyone else, my advice is wait till they kill the kinks, I'm staying with 10.2.7.

[j33pd0g]

They sure did pull it... it no longer appears in my SU.

However, Security Update 2003-06-09 shows up. Maybe that's an update I missed earlier. Maybe 10.2.8 goes nutso without patching the security first?

[MacFan26]

Originally posted by beefcake
Aside from a sound glitch that a restart fixed, my system has been running fairly well. Battery life took a dive, but I'm in the process of recalibrating it.

How do you recalibrate a battery?

[madrobby]

So there will be a 10.2.9?

Besides, 10.2.8 runs flawlessly on my 1Ghz TiBook, while installing it seemed a bit complicated (download problems, knowledge base article not readable and so on...)

[Billicus]

CRAP...I just installed it on two computers at school...I didn't wait for them to get done either. They were an eMac and an iMac... The teacher is going to freak out if something happens...:(

[harryhoode]

I updated a Quicksilver G4 733 and a Powerbook G3 333. No problems at all.

[seamuskrat]

Ti 400: Desktop icons all messed up. Ok for network and printing. Batterey lie halved! Seems slower to respond to dock, menus, etc.

G4 400 sawtooth
A OK no problems

B&W 350
A mess. Safari DOA, Word DOA, Entourage DOA, 5 kernal panics and no luck with Disk Warrior.

Pismo 500
no problems, seems fine and speedier.

eMac 800
Spinning ball forever, rebooted
Gray screen forver, overnight, reboote
Question mark of death, Diskwarrior does nto seehard drive

iMac 17 i gig
Installed and booted fine
icons messed up
Network trashed (and fixed)
\Slow as molassas

Now, these are all well maintained machines from home and work. All had 10.2.6 and were rather happy. Most are nearly identical in what they had on them (Office, net, some utilities, and data files) yet I got HUGE differences in how well the patch worked.

Very odd indeed.

[eyelikeart]

I only updated my TiBook...

so far so good... ;)

[Bear]

I sur ehope the replacement for the 10.2.8 update will install on top of the 10.2.8 update they pulled.

While I don't have any problems with the system I updated, I'm wondering if it's possible to run into the problem later. Only time will tell.

[teabgs]

dual 1.25 MDD Origional release

Works fineso far. I just initialized the drive and reinstalled everything on Sunday as a maintenance thing before I get really heavy into work on my thesis film.

10.2.8 better not cause me any problems.

[Stelliform]

I posted I updated my TiBook yesterday, but that was wrong. I was so tired I thought I did, but I just booted it up to update. :D I ended up holding off on it after I saw more and more people complaining... The two non essential computers I updated iMac 17" 1Ghz, and a indigo iMac are working fine...

[Sublime]

Originally posted by Mr. MacPhisto
Well, I've been running 10.2.8 since this morning on my iBook 700 with Combo and have had no problems. I don't use an ethernet connection, but use AirPort for Wi-Fi, which is still functioning perfectly well. All the usual stuff I use is working great and the OS does appear to be a bit snappier. HDD access has gone down a bit too. I've also watched DVDs and burned from the combo without problem. Might be desktop specific problems.

My iBook 700 is fine with 10.2.8 also. It does break Transparent Dock, so its back to the old ugly Dock for me.

I have not been looking for bugs though, YMMV.

[dombi]

Well, lets patch 10.2.8 tomorrow, but lets also call it 10.2.9.
Then next week we are all ready for Panther!!!

What a progress.
:P

[Gus]

Updated yesterday, and I, too, am having the battery time cut in half. iBok 800. Dang it, the wife just put it on eBay too! :(

Regards,
Gus

[evilbert420]

Are there any utilities that people have loaded that are experiencing problems? I ask because it seems like there's a ton of utilities that change "undocumented" features or "integrate" with existing features (like all the dock apps).

Just a thought...

[RBR2]

Originally posted by seamuskrat
Ti 400: Desktop icons all messed up. Ok for network and printing. Batterey lie halved! Seems slower to respond to dock, menus, etc.

G4 400 sawtooth
A OK no problems

B&W 350
A mess. Safari DOA, Word DOA, Entourage DOA, 5 kernal panics and no luck with Disk Warrior.

Pismo 500
no problems, seems fine and speedier.

eMac 800
Spinning ball forever, rebooted
Gray screen forver, overnight, reboote
Question mark of death, Diskwarrior does nto seehard drive

iMac 17 i gig
Installed and booted fine
icons messed up
Network trashed (and fixed)
\Slow as molassas

Now, these are all well maintained machines from home and work. All had 10.2.6 and were rather happy. Most are nearly identical in what they had on them (Office, net, some utilities, and data files) yet I got HUGE differences in how well the patch worked.

Very odd indeed.

(Digital Audio) G4/733

Froze on reboot from install with message:
/etc/master.password: no such file or directory
/etc/master.password: no such file or directory
sh-2.05a#

I managed to get it cleared up by running Disk Warrior from the CD and then repair permissions from OS X CD and then reset the password. On restart I held down the option key and was able to select the drive with 10.2.8 on it and things seem OK now.

The permissions repaired were in
system/library/filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.util
and some others which seemed to be "the usual suspects".

[thedoc1111]

for the newer 'books, charge the battery up to full, unplug, wait till system automaticallly goes to sleep due to lack of battery. Charge fully up again.

Simple…

[legacyb4]

Agreed.

I didn't have any problems but haven't done any Aqua-type hacks or mods to my system. I've got some additional *Nix services (named, postfix, pureftp) running, but nothing that would get in the way of the "normal" OS X system.

Cheers.

Originally posted by evilbert420
Are there any utilities that people have loaded that are experiencing problems? I ask because it seems like there's a ton of utilities that change "undocumented" features or "integrate" with existing features (like all the dock apps).

Just a thought...

[teabgs]

Originally posted by evilbert420
Are there any utilities that people have loaded that are experiencing problems? I ask because it seems like there's a ton of utilities that change "undocumented" features or "integrate" with existing features (like all the dock apps).

Just a thought...

yeah. They work fine for me.

What I want to know is if these people have panther on their machines.

[henryhbk]

So the only problem I have had on my DP1.25, is that my CD-RW and my superdrives don't eject with the eject/opt-eject key (although if you wait 5 minutes they sometimes eject). Otherwise the update works well, and ethernet is quick, and wi-fi works as well.

[rdowns]

[i]However, Security Update 2003-06-09 shows up. Maybe that's an update I missed earlier. Maybe 10.2.8 goes nutso without patching the security first? [/B]

I don't think so. I skipped the last 2 security updates and they disappeared from SU after I d/l'd 10.8.

[agdickinson]

Well I did the install last night and have had no end of boot problems (several attempts to boot) due to Network File System hang issues.

Also does not appear to work well with DAVE :O(

Let's just say I'm re-installing OSX now to 10.2.3 for now, there goes having an early night.....

I have a Powerbook Ti G4 667 Mhz, hopefully I'm the only case (not read all the replies yet)

Lovely... :O(

andrew

[Balin64]

All right: I updated my 12" AlBook and two problems: Bluetooth was disabled, battery life diminished. Resetting power manager brought back Bluetooth, and as far as I can tell, the calculated bateery life remaining lies: although it said 2 hours I got 4. So, so far so good.

Now, my 17" 1Ghz iMac has been in the shop for two weeks (freakin' firsttech in Minneapolis) so I could not update. So, when they post back an update to SW Update, will it be 10.2.8 and 10.2.8.5 as different updatews? The first will still be 40 MB in case people have not updated AT ALL and then a lighter one for those machines that got the buggy update? What a mess! I just hope the software engineers at Apple keep the coffee brewing and give us a correcrt update very soon.

I have a theory: Could they have moved up shipping of wireless keyboard/mice to stir up interest and thus also had to rush the OS update to support them? I would have been happier if they released a small update for wireless keyboard.mouse support then a polished system-wide update. I doubt this was the case, but in case it is, BLAH!

[Joseph Kees]

Like someone who previously commented, I left my eMac while updating, and it went to sleep--but I couldn't wake it up. When I rebooted the first time, it stayed permanently in the gray apple screen. The second reboot worked, but took forever. I haven't tried a third. Everything seems to be working fine now, as of yet.

[3.1416]

Wonderful. I updated a live server to 10.2.8 last night; normally I would have waited a while but it fixed the recent ssh vulnerability. It seems ok for now but it would be nice if Apple would let us know what's going on.

[shadowfax]

wow, it's kinda like windows update, isn't it?

[Neuro]

TiBook 667 (512Mb)

Updated fine. GUI is definitely faster and more responsive to user actions. You can particularly notice it when switching between options and tabs in system preferences - change instantly.

Also, the 'genie' dock effect is now always smooth.

So far I'm impressed.

I guess it may still explode though...

[bluedalmatian]

I've installed it and not had any problem but i'd already decided not to risk it on any other machine after the reports of problems started coming in.

especially as it doesn't really offer any advantage over 10.2.6 - most fixes seem to be related to bluetooth.

I also downloaded to 10.2.8 server combo this morning. (115MB) luckily i hadn't done anything with it yet.

its' now going in the bin.

what a waste of bandwidth:p

[mkaake]

Originally posted by Balin64

I have a theory: Could they have moved up shipping of wireless keyboard/mice to stir up interest and thus also had to rush the OS update to support them? I would have been happier if they released a small update for wireless keyboard.mouse support then a polished system-wide update. I doubt this was the case, but in case it is, BLAH!

noperz... from what i read they sent out cd's with the necessary updates to the bt mouse and kb buyers...

and yeah, this does seem uncannily like a windows update...

wait a minute!?? who put that on apple's site anyways? (after all, it was sketchy at best when it showed up)

:)

blah...

oh well. guess being stuck in os9 isn't too bad... i haven't had to worry about an update in what seems like forever ;)

matt

p.s. i'm stuck in 9 because of $$$ not specific apps - i can feel someone getting the urge to write and say 'there's no reason to stick with 9'...

[stew]

Originally posted by mvc
Have apple ever pulled an update off of Software Update before? I can't remember one, but I could be wrong.

The only I update I remember them pulling was 7.5.4, which had some serious bugs, and 7.5.5 was released later the same month.

Incidentally, according to http://matthewshull.tripod.com/macintosh/system_software_6to7.html, that also happened in September ... of 1996.

[jamka]

Funny, it still says "Mac OS X 10.2.8 available via Software Update. Get the latest security updates as well as improved audio, Bluetooth and Safari." on the main apple.com/macosx heh. It would stink if they released a patch and 10.2.9 and then they needed another update before 10.3 and they had to call it 10.2.9.1 ug. That would be confusing.

[MoparShaha]

Originally posted by shadowfax
wow, it's kinda like windows update, isn't it? That's what we've all been thinking quietly to ourselves, too ashamed to admit it :mad:.

[Genie]

I installed last night and have been fine in casual use.
http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://geniesongs.com/personal.html)
That's me with my new G5.

[BeigeUser]

Dual G4/533MHz - No problems
Beige G3/500MHz - No problems

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Neuro
TiBook 667 (512Mb)

Updated fine. GUI is definitely faster and more responsive to user actions. You can particularly notice it when switching between options and tabs in system preferences - change instantly.

Also, the 'genie' dock effect is now always smooth.

So far I'm impressed.

I guess it may still explode though... how long had it been since your last restart? you may be confusing performance enhancement with something like a fresh log in. i have a GHz TiBook, and i am not seeing any kind of speed improvements on the gui... and i hadn't restarted in 40 days, heh.

[Dale Sorel]

I updated my 700 MHz FS iMac that uses the Ethernet connector for DSL and have had zero problems.

[macomposer]

I downloaded and updated from 10.2.6 last night on my 550 MHz TiBook. After installing, optimization took about 15 minutes, then I could not get the computer to reboot. It just hung on the gray screen for about 15 minutes before I shut it off and tried booting again.

After trying that 3 times I said "screw it" and went to bed with the machine turned off. I got up this morning and it booted fine, albeit slowly. It has been on all day and everything seems fine now, with no discernible performance difference good or bad.

And... for the record, I have not been running any beta OS or anything like that. Everything on my machine is current and legit.

I was a bit worried last night, though, that this update had hosed my computer.

[MCroft]

Originally posted by jamka
It would stink if they released a patch and 10.2.9 and then they needed another update before 10.3 and they had to call it 10.2.9.1 ug. That would be confusing.
No reason they can't ship 10.2.10 and 10.2.11...

Weren't there some 10.1.x updates after 10.2.0 came out? It's not like people don't need critical fixes when they haven't bought the next upgrade.

And no, I didn't have anything funny on my machine that had the ethernet problem. It's just a configuration they didn't test.

[mactastic]

Phew, glad I waited. Usually I just upgrade, but this time for some reason I decided to hold off... Guess I'll keep waiting!

[Chef Ramen]

i had been using transparent dock but it killed it...i tried to use transparent dock after it rebooted to get it back to how i had it set but it never came back :eek:

i had to restore it, so i guess im stuck with the standard dock.

also had a kernel panic last night, had a WEIRD freeze today: first ichat got the beachball, then itunes, then the cursor stopped moving (!). i couldnt switch apps via the keyboard, and then i got a beacball on the stuck cursor. a reboot fixed this... dammit!

im running on a beige g3 233 tower, 320mb ram

[kcmac]

No problems here on my 12" PB and iMac 400 DVSE.

Did notice through these forums though that the timer on the battery looks really low. Would have never known that since I only use the percentage display. That seems to work as usual.

All right! A new updater in the works! 10.2.8.1?

I was hoping for iCal today but guess this will be set it back a little bit now...

[iHack]

Originally posted by shadowfax
wow, it's kinda like windows update, isn't it?

No, actually it is not.
Although I've had windoze for years (up until recently) and have patched my PIII-450 system a few times a week, **** like this never happened (yes, windows patches are that frequent). The worst I recall is that there would be a patch of the patch, because the first patch fixed a security leak and caused another. Nothing serious like being unable to boot properly, not being able to log into your own system, harddisks becoming inaccessible etc. Messed up 3rd party sysutil are common in windoze patches though. I fully expect M$ to change (undocumented) features just to make 3rd parties unreliable to use, giving M$ a competitive edge.

Windows Update is not as bad as this.
Windows right out of the box however...

[JonasLoaf]

Originally posted by beefcake
Aside from a sound glitch that a restart fixed, my system has been running fairly well. Battery life took a dive, but I'm in the process of recalibrating it.

I've seen this a couple of times. My battery life took a dive, too. How do you recalibrate it? Is it just simply letting it run out and charging it fully? Thanks guys.

--Loaf

[ralphh]

Originally posted by goldmember
Have you had any drop in battery life? I was experiencing about 1/2 the time I had under 10.2.7, but I haven't recalibrated the battery yet.

Don't worry, you're actually getting the same battery life, it's just that the estimated time left is wrong. Mine is doing that now. It's annoying but nothing's being hurt.

I (and several others, I gather) have tried the battery recalibration procedure, but it does not fix the time-left indicator. :(

Apple has pulled an update before, it was clobbering hard drives that were partioned in some particular way. I think it was under OS 9.x.

[SiliconAddict]

Hmmm I hate to say this but this would be something I'd expect from MS. *shrugs*

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by iHack
No, actually it is not.
Although I've had windoze for years (up until recently) and have patched my PIII-450 system a few times a week, **** like this never happened (yes, windows patches are that frequent).

LOL.. You obviously never dealt with Windows Service Pack updates. In my travels I've run across more then a few SP updates from Windows NT 4 to Windows 2000 that have seriously F-ed up the system. My fav being Compaq servers running SMART RAID. The sys file was incompatible with SP6a so it blew up the system. Total BSOD on boot. MS had to release and updated ver of SP 6a to fix the problem.

[notech]

No problems with me so far, but I haven't turned off my iMac yet... we'll see if it explodes tomorrow! :)

Pray for me! (Or don't.)

I'm sure they'll have a fix to it very soon, probably sooner than we think.

[electric]

Help!

After installing the update, my computer wont stop spitting out 3 dollar bills, This may sound like a boon, but I can't spend them anywhere.

[Maclicious]

17 inch alubook has no (apparent) problems with the update--in fact, it finds and mounts external volumes over the network far faster than it did before, almost as fast as 0S 9 used to!

But, as someone else said, I suppose it could still all explode.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
LOL.. You obviously never dealt with Windows Service Pack updates. In my travels I've run across more then a few SP updates from Windows NT 4 to Windows 2000 that have seriously F-ed up the system. My fav being Compaq servers running SMART RAID. The sys file was incompatible with SP6a so it blew up the system. Total BSOD on boot. MS had to release and updated ver of SP 6a to fix the problem. exactly. MS just doesn't have the balls to pull off crap they know they should.

[ColoJohnBoy]

Weird. I haven't had a single problem, and have actually noticed a slight performance improvement in Safari and in the overall interface.

[iHack]

Just saw on Maccentral.com that Apple cites the ethernet problems for pulling the update (to which a reasonable workaround exists, I understand). here is a link (http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/1028pulled/index.php?redirect=1064334986000)

from reading the relevant threads on this forum, I would say that the ethernet problem is one of their minor worries. Some people ended up with a completely dysfunctional Mac, for crying out loud! :mad:

My updated 17" imac and 12" pobo are still fully functional. Launching app's is noticeably faster, but that's about it...

keeping my fingers crossed...:(

M.

[Toppa G's]

I had to reinstall OS X.2 on my iBook after I attempted to install the update. My 'Book froze near the end of optimization, and then when I restarted, wouldn't let me log in. :(
All back together now though, and seems to run 10.2.8 OK.

[centauratlas]

Perhaps (although I doubt it) for 10.2.8a or 10.2.8.1 or 10.2.9 or whatever they call it, they will include the newest patch for Portable OpenSSH problems (as of today) plus fix the problems others have seen. See:

http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/338617
and
http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/338616

My bet is that it will be a security update following the 10.2.8.1 (or whatever) re-release.

[iHack]

Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Weird. I haven't had a single problem, and have actually noticed a slight performance improvement in Safari and in the overall interface.

Cool. An update actually improves something without any smoke coming out of the mac and you call it weird! :D

M.

[Genie]

It works fine on my Dual 1 Gig- haven't tried it on the powerbook, or 400 g4, or G5.

http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://geniesongs.com/personal.html)
That's me with my new G5.

[Doctor Q]

News about this update is one of the reasons MacRumors is so valuable.

When the problems are fixed, I hope Apple will publicly explain the problem. If not, I expect to read it here instead.

[3.1416]

Originally posted by centauratlas
Perhaps (although I doubt it) for 10.2.8a or 10.2.8.1 or 10.2.9 or whatever they call it, they will include the newest patch for Portable OpenSSH problems (as of today) plus fix the problems others have seen.

Actually I don't think those problems will affect OS X. The advisory says that versions of OpenSSH before 3.7 aren't vulnerable, and OS X is still on 3.4

[Awimoway]

No problems on my DP 867 PowerMac or iBook 800

. . . probably because I decided to wait to update! :D

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Hmmm I hate to say this but this would be something I'd expect from MS. *shrugs*

According to arn's poll, about 2% are reporting serious problems with this update. Now, that's too many, but if you read these boards you'd have to guess it was more like 98%. And hey, it's not like we're talking WindowsME or anything...

[MacFan25]

Hmm...I was wondering why it wasn't showing up in my software update! :p :D

I just hope they get the problems fixed.

[Foxer]

1 GHZ eMac. Installed the update last night. No problems since. Touch wood.

[spinfits]

Installed it on a 800 MHz iMac and I have had iTunes crash once, System Preferences crash twice and Safari crash three times!

[brooklyn]

Installed 10.2.8 on my 12 Powerbook and have had no major problems. The only one was the in-accurate battery readings. But that was fixed by exhausting the battery till the Powerbook went to sleep. All seems well now that it's been fully charged and unplugged from the AC. I never did any customizations/hacks to my PB, so this might be the issue with all the folks reporting problems with the latest fix!

[centauratlas]

Originally posted by 3.1416
Actually I don't think those problems will affect OS X. The advisory says that versions of OpenSSH before 3.7 aren't vulnerable, and OS X is still on 3.4

I see now that Apple just patched its old 3.4 with the patch instead of updating it with the OpenSSH current version. However the last problems were for 3.6 and 3.7, and that was where the problems were found. However, (from reading elsewhere) I am not sure that they checked that many versions back for these specific ones so it could impact the 3.4 versions too. Hopefully not...

[dbally]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
And hey, it's not like we're talking WindowsME or anything...

Its funny because its true. :D

I updated my ibook 900 and haven't encountered any problems . . . yet. Ethernet, CD Eject, Safari all still work just fine although I haven't had a chance to try out the airport card.

[windwaves]

ah aha ha ahhah ah hah


what a bunch of retards !!!!

I cannot believe this, this is mind boggling .

Of course I never updated.

[fahlman]

Here's an idea. People need to stop installing all those poorly written haxies that tweak their os at it roots and they wouldn't have these problems.

[Hugh]

I have installed update last night via Update Control Panel.

Restarted fine, started up fine.. Able to use all my drives, AirPort card fine. No crashes or any thing.

The only thing that complained was Norton System Works 3.0.

From what I've been reading here and MacFixIt is that those that are having problems, are using 3 Party software like the Dock one. Which from what I read there is a updated version to work with Mac OS 10.2.8.

My System is Quicksilver 733 1Gig of Ram Just installed a Pioneer 105 DVD-RW drive.

Hugh

[teabgs]

I take it back, I have a major problem now. Can't launch an app now because of a "shared library error"

Crap.

I don't have to wipe the drive to revert to 10.2.6 do I?

[reckless_0001]

I installed it on 4 eMacs, 1 iBook, 1 B&W PowerMac, 1 Cube and 1 MDD PowerMac with no problems whatsoever.

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by rdowns
I don't think so. I skipped the last 2 security updates and they disappeared from SU after I d/l'd 10.8.

Wow, and I thought that the people using 10.3 beta were at the bleeding edge. Where did you download the copy of 10.8 from? :p


On a more serious note, I wish Apple would have released the security updates separate from the OS update. I usually d/l the security updates in a heartbeat, but hold off on the OS updates for at least a couple of days.

[MCroft]

Hey all,

Can we cut down on the smugness? It's pretty unhelpful to blame nonexistent 'hacks' for things like the Ethernet problem. Apple didn't pull this update because of third-party conflicts, they pulled it because it doesn't work with some configurations of vanilla systems.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by MCroft
Hey all,

Can we cut down on the smugness? It's pretty unhelpful to blame nonexistent 'hacks' for things like the Ethernet problem. Apple didn't pull this update because of third-party conflicts, they pulled it because it doesn't work with some configurations of vanilla systems. true dat. i got haxies hanging out the back od my menubar and my computer is working like a charm, an absolute charm.

[BrianAllen]

My software update could still get the update, but it must have found the file this morning while I was at work. I didn't start the update until 7:40 PM central time. It must still be out there!

[j33pd0g]

I wonder if they will actually re-post this update... who'll be brave enough to try that? It's hard holding back... I no longer have the latest OS. I am behind the times. I feel like the IT dorks at work who still keep everyone on OS 8.1. Now after this farce, he'll never let us go to OS X.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
I wonder if they will actually re-post this update... who'll be brave enough to try that? It's hard holding back... I no longer have the latest OS. I am behind the times. I feel like the IT dorks at work who still keep everyone on OS 8.1. Now after this farce, he'll never let us go to OS X. if the schmuck is still caught in his OS 8 world, what makes you think he'll ever hear about a minor problem with an OS X software update in order to use it as justification for being an old school fool?

[lewdvig]

My machine boots noticably faster after the update. No bad things yet.

Other than asking me permission for the key chain for mail and safari everything seems OK. That probably normal eh?

I had to add burn support for my LG 4x DVD writer. Thats it.

I am a switcher so when I see the words security update, I patch like crazy. Maybe next I will wait a day or two.

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by shadowfax
if the schmuck is still caught in his OS 8 world, what makes you think he'll ever hear about a minor problem with an OS X software update in order to use it as justification for being an old school fool?

Because everyone at work (including myself) is always complaining about how much more productive they would be with a modern os. He's one of these guys who's always researching stuff, just to find fault with it. We'd all be happy with at least OS 9.2

I have since brought my old G4 into work and set it up under my desk. It runs everything we need at work flawlessly... and offers more flexibility when it comes to productivity. No conflicts. Just a more reliable and efficient work load.

He's the one who said something about how this proves that upgrading is bad.

Sorry for the rant.

[punter]

I'm glad apple are listening to users. I'm sure we'll have some fixes real soon.

[windwaves]

Originally posted by reckless_0001
I installed it on 4 eMacs, 1 iBook, 1 B&W PowerMac, 1 Cube and 1 MDD PowerMac with no problems whatsoever.

CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!

[Toppa G's]

I see Apple took the banner telling people to check for OS 10.2.8 in their update off of the OS X page. It was there an hour ago..

[coolbreeze]

Soooo, did Apple offer any details about their solution? Or are we supposed to tip-toe around while using our Mac hoping it doesn't crash while working on something important? I realize this blunder will take more time than instantly to fix, but they really need to clue-in those of us who've updated already. Pulling an update means they know it's broken....

Oh, and if my battery life truely is 1:30, my flight from CA to SC is going to SUCK.

Apple? Bueller? Anyone??

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by lewdvig
My machine boots noticably faster after the update. No bad things yet.

Other than asking me permission for the key chain for mail and safari everything seems OK. That probably normal eh?
again, if your boot speed is any faster, there is probably a different reason than the update. mine took considerably longer after installing the update.

as for the keychain thing, any time you modify the system (as in, software update) it forces you to reconfirm all your keychain data. so yes, that is entirely normal.

[Wash!!]

Blue & White G3 400/ 2-G4-400/ imac 800 not a problem what so ever... I guess I'm one of the lucky ones:cool: :D

[MCroft]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
Soooo, did Apple offer any details about their solution? Or are we supposed to tip-toe around while using our Mac hoping it doesn't crash while working on something important?

MacCentral says they got a mail from Apple saying it's about the ethernet problem on some older G4 towers. But apparently it was a really brief mail, and that's it.

[iHack]

Originally posted by reckless_0001
I installed it on 4 eMacs, 1 iBook, 1 B&W PowerMac, 1 Cube and 1 MDD PowerMac with no problems whatsoever.

Congratulations indeed. According to today's poll, some 9% of users who applied the update either got worse or into major problems. Assuming the ****** hits the mac randomly, this would give you a 91% chance of not having problems. With 8 random Macs this would give you a 47% chance of not having problems.

I wouldn't bet my Macs if chances were 50/50 one would get 'damaged', and I guess you wouldn't have either, if you would have known.

:(

M.

[edit: corrected the numbers - at first I calculated the people who didn't apply the update too)

[Bin_jammin]

Wallstreet 14.1 266, 320mb, toshiba12gb

No problems with 10.2.8 (you can all pity my compusaurus). The only issue I have is that I was running NoSleep 3.0 which lets me use the 'book with the lid shut. Now I'm going to be stuck walking around
Boston with no music. And I'm certainly not lugging this paperweight around if I can't use it for tunes... time to look on eBay for cheap iPods :)

[charlesc]

Dual 1ghz Quicksilver... no major problems.
PB 12" ... no 'major' problems either. The Powerbook did seem to have fun with the remaining battery life meter. After a good 45 minutes on batter power I noticed I had 2 1/2 hours left of power... Ha ha! - this was on 'highest performance' with the brightness up all the way. After rebooting everything is now ok.

[ryme4reson]

I have had no known problems, the speed is a bit faster on my 12"PB, but I was at school today, and I was unable to use DHCP to get out onto the internet. Everyone one all the other ports were connected, but I could not get a valid IP address.

[GeeYouEye]

On my iBook 800, seriously messed up my icons (PDFs had the Acrobat icon, .sit's had the OS 9 version of the icon, and everything else but folders were blank icons. Restarting the Finder fixed that though), and is doing some funky things to the battery meter; even though HD, processor usage is constant, the battery depletion isn't. But so far, it looks like I'm getting a LONGER battery life than I should; two minutes/% with full screen brightness, AirPort on, while repairing permissions, with OmniWeb, iChat, Word, Finder, and the Terminal open. (The Dock is dang slow with all this activity though) Haven't yet used Safari, but hopefully they fixed a bug in WebCore that was causing Safari (and OmniWeb for that matter) to crash on aplus.net

The one thing I am mad about though is that the update didn't fix the clicking sound it was supposed to.

EDIT: upon further reflection, I remembered that the MP3 I had on my desktop had an Audion icon (normally has iTunes), and an iso had an OS 9 Toast icon. And checking Safari... that bug is still there.

[Rickburkett]

ok so far with my new 15ALBook. I use Safari with work(outlook web access) and it seems much improved over the last safari I had on my old pb667.

I have not yet tried an eth connection.

-Rick

[Rickburkett]

I just unplugged my power to see if the batterylife would show some of the degradation that I have read about here. It shows 2:19. The screen is set to full brightness and keyboard is lit up. It just added a few minutes and now says 2:22.

Looks good.

[rjrufo]

Nothing major, but I've had a few problems. On the TiPB, it took a long time to reboot after the update...maybe about a half hour. No major roboot problems on the two iMacs, but slower than normal. On all three, the Transparent Dock is gone. I haven't noticed anything with the battery life on the PB, but it's mostly been on the desk, plugged in since the upgrade. Everything else seems to be ok for now.

(keeping my fingers crossed, but it's hard to type with crossed fingers.)

[vwcruisn]

battery life HALVED on my 17inch Pbook, and everytime i wake it from sleep... the screen saver starts up.. even tho i have it set to NEVER come on.. so far those are the only 2 problems for me.. and i stress.. . SO FAR

[mrdrumbum]

everything seems okay on my 1gig tibook except my battery life at full power gives me only 1:45 and my imovie icons are blank. any way to fix this?

[slavey]

iBook 700: Installed update and my Ethernet connection was killed. Downgraded to the previous version of AppleGMACEthernet.kext and back up and running! Visit http://www.macfixit.com/ for details.

[Nicky G]

I wonder how many people who experience problems after this update (or any others) have undiagnosed permissions problems on their machines? A problem that would perhaps never manifest UNLESS an upgrade were to be applied.

It is a VERY wise idea to run permissions repair both before AND after an update of almost any sort. And standard disk repair as well.

[jayscheuerle]

I updated my G4 450 at work and when I rebooted, it turned into a beige G3 233 with only 64 MB of RAM. Not only that, but now there's no USB ports for my keyboard and I have no Open GL support.

This happened once before when my Dalmatian iMac rebooted as a Mac Classic, but I rebuilt the desktop and it was fine. I'll admit I was worried for a bit because I had one of my favorite CDs in there at the time and I didn't know where it went.

- j

[1adonis1]

This is my first post (i'm a recent switcher) :0) But when i updated to 10.2.8, my dock went away,what do i do. No i dont have a backup copy..anyone have a clue.

[Sol]

After half a day I decided to install OS X.2.8 (the 38 MB version) on my QuickSilver Dual 800MHz G4.

After the first two restarts my audio was completely muted and I was starting to regret updating. On the third restart the audio returned and the whole system was back to business as usual. I am using the audio-out port of the computer so it is possible that systems with the round Apple speakers could have experienced the same glitch.

No problems with the EtherNet port which is connected with an ADSL modem. I am online now, aren't I?

There are also no issues with third-party Preference Panes like WindowShade X, PrefsMenu and MenuMeters.

Overall I see no difference in the performance of my system but then I am not the type to count frames per second.

[vancenase]

Originally posted by 1adonis1
This is my first post (i'm a recent switcher) :0) But when i updated to 10.2.8, my dock went away,what do i do. No i dont have a backup copy..anyone have a clue.

try restarting ... this happened to me too, but a restart may not work for you as it did for me :)

[1adonis1]

restarting didnt help

[Marlon_JBT]

Ugh, 2.8 SUCKS. My battery life has gone down the drain, my PB is very slow, and I had a dropped Ethernet connection at school. Also, where is my Bluetooth menu?

Is there a solution yet?

[1adonis1]

If anyone is having the same problem as I, this will solve it.
http://www.freerangemac.com/

you can upload a new version of the dock application!

[beefcake]

Battery is down to 11%, I'll post if it is still 1.5 hours lower than usual after recalibration. Although I wasn't around all day, and it went into sleep a bunch of times, my TiBook seems to have run much longer than the 2 hours it was supposed to.

[dombi]

Originally posted by Marlon_JBT
Ugh, 2.8 SUCKS. My battery life has gone down the drain, my PB is very slow, and I had a dropped Ethernet connection at school. Also, where is my Bluetooth menu?

Is there a solution yet?

For your speed issues check the Processor Speed Setting under the Energy Saver Preference Panel.

dombi

[ChoMomma]

Well, on my Powerbook 333 it hasn't affected the battery life.. if anything I swear that it extended it. I run it with 2 batteries and usually get about 5 hours total.. well today I think I got about 5 1/2 hours.. cause when it should have been dead it was still going. (this is according to my usual pattern of usage so I have a very good idea how long it should work)

[GigaWire]

updated 12 dual 800's and 4 dual gigs at work today, no problems with hanging/booting, or network.

[Hugh]

Originally posted by GeeYouEye
On my iBook 800, seriously messed up my icons (PDFs had the Acrobat icon, .sit's had the OS 9 version of the icon, and everything else but folders were blank icons. Restarting the Finder fixed that though), and is doing some funky things to the battery meter; even though HD, processor usage is constant, the battery depletion isn't. But so far, it looks like I'm getting a LONGER battery life than I should; two minutes/% with full screen brightness, AirPort on, while repairing permissions, with OmniWeb, iChat, Word, Finder, and the Terminal open. (The Dock is dang slow with all this activity though) Haven't yet used Safari, but hopefully they fixed a bug in WebCore that was causing Safari (and OmniWeb for that matter) to crash on aplus.net

The one thing I am mad about though is that the update didn't fix the clicking sound it was supposed to.

EDIT: upon further reflection, I remembered that the MP3 I had on my desktop had an Audion icon (normally has iTunes), and an iso had an OS 9 Toast icon. And checking Safari... that bug is still there.

Clicking sound? What clicking sound, is this for 800 iBooks?

Hugh

[sinbushar]

how exactly does one recalibrate his/her battery...i'm asking for umm...a friend..yes a friend...who doesn't know what's going on....would be very much obliged, at 8:30 his battery read 1:21 remaining...now it is 9:51 and there is 0:40 remaining..it is quite a nuisance...

thank you

adel 's friend

[ralphh]

The meter on the menu bar is wrong, everyone!! Actual battery has has not been affected.

I own two different PowerBooks, a 500 MHz Ti and a new 17" 1.33 GHz, and I have verified this on both of them.

Annoying, but survivable until a fix comes out. :(

[jazzman45]

i don't get that annoying pop anymore or delayed reaction with iChat. I'm pleased.

[gopher]

Originally posted by mvc
Have apple ever pulled an update off of Software Update before? I can't remember one, but I could be wrong.

I'm glad I was reading the forums and decided there was too much chance of grief with this one.

Besides, seems there is always some driver or application that gets broken, so I usually wait a few weeks and check round for 3rd party updates.

This must suck if you have an affected machine.

iTunes 2.0. Though for much more serious issues. It was erasing people's partitions.

Here's why Apple pulled 10.2.8:
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/1028pulled/

[sabbath999]

FCP4 has stopped crashing when I log into it. Darned program usually crashes two or three times trying to find my camera, then finally works. After it started, no problem. Now I have been in and out of it 10 times since 10.2.8 and not a crash.

I have also had crash problems on DVDSP 2.0. Will have to see if this helped them.

iMac 800 flat screen
512mb ram
10.2.8

[Marlon_JBT]

I checked it, it's at "Highest". So, this leads me to wonder whether 10.2.8 was at fault, since it wasn't like that before.

I am NOT looking at that battery meter, since it's horribly unreliable...but sometimes a good approximation of what's left. I DID, really NOTICE a battery life drop after 10.2.8. My battery gives me 3.5ish hours, during light usage, now, I can barely get 2.5. It's really annoying. I have gotten 5:15 out of it before, but that's as dim a screen as possible, reduced processor power, speakers muted, dark desktop wallpaper, and only running OpenOffice.org. I could really see if 10.2.8 had an effect on the battery by running this test again, but the test takes 5 hours! :)

However, I did get my Bluetooth menu back, after a reset of the PMU, and with that, came a slight speed increase, especially in System Preferences. Next, is Disk Utility.

[Clifford]

I installed 10.2.8 on a 500mhz dual usb iBook and it immediately slowed down the machines start up by about 4x. My battery will not hold a charge. Everthing ran slower. iCal, Safari and iSync did not work. I contacted Apple and they advised me, after a series of checks, to go back to 10.2.6. I did and it is running great. They guy from Apple even said that you should wait a week before updating the OS.

[charlesc]

marlon, sorry to hear about your issues. I have a rev. a (867mhz - 640mb ram) 12" PB as well. My early post mentioned some funny activity with the (not-so-reliable) battery meter, but after one boot it fixed it.

However one note with my 12" rev. a. after a full day of using it.....I'm getting a minimum of 20 extra minutes battery life since running the 10.2.8 update. I can now get well over an hour on 'highest peformance', and the brightness 1/2 way up. Before I was lucky to get 50 minutes with it set that way.

[CMillerERAU]

Originally posted by Falleron
Applied and works fine here. (on a daul 1ghz g4)

Yeah me too (Dual 1GHz MDD). Right now I'm installing the updates on all the computers in the newspaper office right n-*KABOOOM*

[Marlon_JBT]

It's OK, I still love my PB, and in no way dissatisfied with Apple.

They simply made a mistake, and those happen.

Things seem to be speeding up these past couple reboots...I'm recalibrating my battery now, to see if that will help also...still charging.

[charlesc]

Originally posted by Marlon_JBT
It's OK, I still love my PB, and in no way dissatisfied with Apple.

They simply made a mistake, and those happen.

Things seem to be speeding up these past couple reboots...I'm recalibrating my battery now, to see if that will help also...still charging.

That is the one thing I have done today a few times actually.. Drain the battery, then charge, then drain.... To get a grip on whether battery performance has really increased... I can conservatively say it really has increased a minimum of 10-20 minutes in over-all battery life. My PB just finished charging, and I'm typing this from batter power. Settings are 'highest performance', with the brightness set at 50%. The (not-so-reliable) battery meter is showing me 1:50 left. Before the 10.2.8 update I would be at 1:15 battery life left (under idenctical circumstances).

I've also re-booted multiple times today, and each time it seems to run better as well.

[edenwaith]

I was unfortunately one of those who got struck. My ethernet no longer worked after I installed 10.2.8. Fortunately I found a solution, and it's working nicely, like before. The system no longer seems to freeze when I close VPC 5.0.4. This is a very good thing. I haven't used VPC much at all in the past few months because of that horrendous freezing problem, which would lock up the ENTIRE system.

The only good thing to come out of this experience, is that I tried zapping my PRAM, and I'm now able to boot into OS 9 again, which I haven't been able to do for quite awhile (OS 9 would just result with a black screen, and nothing else). While I generally have very little reason to use OS 9, it is nice to know I can use it if I need to.

[Xero]

Originally posted by teabgs
yeah. They work fine for me.

What I want to know is if these people have panther on their machines.

ok, i have panther on a separate partition, and 10.2.8 is working perfectly for me. not only that, it fixed the problem with not being able to open sys prefs from the apple menu with the Panther partition mounted. (i know, its an odd bug but it was really annoying me), so ive had pretty good luck so far. :confused:

also, if i may ask, why are people updating from 10.2.7?! isnt 2.7 only for the G5's, and wasnt the 2.8 update specifically NOT meant for G5's?

[sionnach]

Not fun. The last thing I expected this lovely evening was to replace my stable 10.2.6 with a buggy update...and lose classic mode!

I luckily didn't suffer any networking failure, but now I get the following error message when starting classic mode: an error was encountered while attempting to update your system folder with classic-specific resources.

Console gives me the following details: AUTOUPDATE ERROR: type and/or creator resource missing for /System/Library/CoreServices/Classic Startup.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/SystemFiles/Classic

During the 10.2.8 update install, my imac froze and the display turned off - I had to reset and just now discovered this eccentricity. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, any suggestions as to how to deal with it?

Thanx

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by gopher
Here's why Apple pulled 10.2.8:
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/1028pulled/
Well thanks for the link, but I think Apple is dodging the issue (see above post that said Apple told the user to downgrade to 10.2.6). Is that really a solution? Does Apple really think that the issue is solely "...an issue affecting Ethernet networking on small number of Power Mac G4 desktop systems." Just curious why they would release a statement that ignored the numerous other issues.

I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, but Apple needs to explain the other problems (i.e. blank icons, system slowdowns, battery issues, etc). It is apparently deeper than Ethernet problems on Power Macs.

:confused: Maybe Apple just wants everyone to say ***** it, I'll just buy Panther!!:cool:

[moby1]

It sure is nice to have forums like these. Probably saved some lives...

moby1
Happy with 10.2.6 :)

[idkew]

well, for what it is worth, my 2.8 went fine.


one thing i have noticed, is that mytai (ti667) will goto sleep while running quite a few hoggy apps (photoshop...) and will wake up at the login screen. no saves, no warning, just time to login again.

annoying, but as long as i save, not a huge a huge proplem. besides, it only has happened twice (in two days).



(i'm back... and a 6502 also.:D)

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by shadowfax
as for the keychain thing, any time you modify the system (as in, software update) it forces you to reconfirm all your keychain data. so yes, that is entirely normal.

Each time you reboot, actually. At least in my experience.

My iMac 400 went from screen saver to kernel panic. Very curious. Thankfully, I won't have to deal with it much longer because my PowerBook is delivered tomorrow! HA HA, SUCKERS!

(Wasn't there a security update or something similar awhile ago that would nuke your home directory? I think I remember something like that.)

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by coolbreeze
I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, but Apple needs to explain the other problems (i.e. blank icons, system slowdowns, battery issues, etc). It is apparently deeper than Ethernet problems on Power Macs.

Maybe Apple was unable to replicate any other problems on their own computers.

Oh, I had another problem. I keep getting blown up too easily in EV Nova. Oh, wait, that's my fault, not the OS's...?

[Docrjm]

No probs on ancient Tibook 400 and dual 1Ghz G4.
However, bring on Panther!

[coolbreeze]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Maybe Apple was unable to replicate any other problems on their own computers.

Oh, I had another problem. I keep getting blown up too easily in EV Nova. Oh, wait, that's my fault, not the OS's...?
I understand the numerous problems reported on numerous discussion boards may be unique to customers and not Apple itself, but the complications still remain. We (or I) just want a good (non-Microsoft-is-h) update. I run both platforms, and at the present time and I feel like I just ran windows update on my Thinkpad andiBook........

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Each time you reboot, actually. At least in my experience. only if you like being annoyed. if you click "always allow" it will stop bugging you completely, till you modify the system with an update, and then you have to verify everything again.

[rjwill246]

Updated 17" and 15" iMacs, dual 1 Gig G4, Cube- updated with 1 Gig PowerLogix board and new video card, last week's 17" PB G4 and all are working flawlessly. I feel I am missing something...oh yes, the 1.8G G5, but that didn't need it!

[bmeyer]

I installed the 10.2.8 update this morning (and right now, I'm connecting through dialup, so this is no small task). I got home from work today and decided to take the update out for a spin.

For the record, I have a DP 1gHz wind tunnel (1st generation) with everything stock, except for added RAM and a CD-R in the second optical drive bay.
For the record, I have never downloaded or installed any pre-release Apple software (ie. Panther).
For the record, the only hacks/mods I am running are LaunchBar and TransparentDock (I believe), which is only set to make hidden app icons appear semi-translucent in the Dock.

So I was reading through this thread in Safari, at about page 5 or so, trying out all of the apps which people were having problems with (which all worked fine, by the way), and I was thinking, "Man, I'm glad my computer works fine. Sucks for these punks." :cool:

Then, as if the Karmic wheel pulled an abrupt about-face, it happened. I clicked on System Preferences in the Dock, and it opened, but it hid Safari. I put down my peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I clicked on Safari, and it came up, but hid System Preferences. I cmd-tabbed back to System Preferences, and it came up, but hid Safari. The sandwich remained uneaten. So it goes.

At this point, I scratched my head and said, "weird," and switched Safari to see if anyone else was having my problem. I clicked the link to the next page, and a download window popped up. Safari wanted to download showthread.php. So it goes.

Having come to this particular crossroads, I quit everything and rebooted. I've been trying to break the machine for the last hour, to no avail. Everything is working great, and bloody fast too. Safari and all the iApps spring to life when opened. Office, despite its bloatiness, opens forthwith. And on and on.

So the moral of this story is: if your machine boots up in the first place, and if you are having weird problems with 10.2.8, try a reboot if you haven't already (although you really should have by now). Things will work out--they always do. Just be glad Apple cared enough to pull this update as quick as they did, and rest assured that some folks in Cupertino will be pulling all-nighters the next few days until this thing is rock-solid.

Good luck kids,

bm

PS - on an unrelated note: if you ever want to ruin a perfectly good peanut butter and jelly sandwich, make it with low-carb bread. I have eaten sand that has better flavor and texture. Just thought you should know. :D

[pbooktebo]

For those suckas who are having trouble with the Transparent Dock app, I installed Clear Dock and am having no problems with 10.2.8

In fact, I installed Clear Dock after reading about it an a thread yesterday. I usually pick up a naughty hack app or two every update when I hear reports about unusual apps not being broken.

PS- My girlfriend made me add the "suckas" in the first line. My apologies to any offended parties :D

[dguisinger]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
LOL.. You obviously never dealt with Windows Service Pack updates. In my travels I've run across more then a few SP updates from Windows NT 4 to Windows 2000 that have seriously F-ed up the system. My fav being Compaq servers running SMART RAID. The sys file was incompatible with SP6a so it blew up the system. Total BSOD on boot. MS had to release and updated ver of SP 6a to fix the problem.

So let me get this straight. You blame MS for a release that didn't work on a proprietary compaq POS (which working in EDU we learned never buy compaq again)...even though Compaq generally has access to server service packs for months before release to test for issues. Microsoft doesn't control every hardware platform, it is up to vendors and their users testing the betas to report problems. I've been in the NT service pack betas, they are long betas, its not like Compaq didn't know about it.

So you are blaming MS for either a Compaq screwup, or MS knew and reported the issue in the release notes and you probably ignored them and installed without checking to see if it effected your machine.

Typical bashing of MS. Hardware configuration / driver problems are almost always a manufacturer's problem, not an MS problem. People like to blame MS for blue screens, but you should really look at the vendor who wrote the driver. Thats like blaming Apple if a 3rd party driver trashed the system and made it refuse to boot.

To make things worse, Apple has complete control of their released hardware configurations. This leaves Apple with very little excuse for releasing an update as bad as this was. MS on the other hand has a beta testing room with about 1000 computers, with automated testing tools to test for compatibility issues. But with all the mfg configurations out there, they can never have them all. In the end, it is always upto the mfg to make sure software works on their machines the way its supposed to, and if it doesn't, report the issue and work with the vendor to fix it.

[Mephisto]

Works just fine for me. Dual 1ghz, no beta OS ever...1.25gb of ram, 1tb of HD space... although I have had the problem of applications hiding upon switch before (in every prior version of the OS) I always figured it was normal and because of something I accidentally pressed while high.

[madrobby]

The update works great for me. Mounting und unmounting windows shares is much faster than with 10.2.6. Now more spinning Beachballs there. :)

I also experienced the desktop icon problem, but the icons were back to normal after a second reboot.

[Neuro]

Originally posted by shadowfax
how long had it been since your last restart? you may be confusing performance enhancement with something like a fresh log in. i have a GHz TiBook, and i am not seeing any kind of speed improvements on the gui... and i hadn't restarted in 40 days, heh.

I think it had been up for a few days since my last boot. However, from what I understand, OSX runs best when the programs you use are already in memory - ie not a fresh login.

The differences I've noticed are definitely more like an improved graphics driver, or a faster quartz engine.

I've been trying loads of different apps and it feels like my Mhz has gone up. I've always found the 667 slow, but it now seems much more usable.

Maybe some of the code from Panther is in there?

[crap freakboy]

ImacDV 400, external lacie d2 160gb...loads and loads of OS hacks of which only tranparent dock failed to work.

What is it with Apple lately? Most of their iApps seem to be beta or alpha quality, have they cut back on their software dev department or are they just concentrating resources on Panther development?

just woke up- need caffine and a fag (or smoke if you are a yank)

suppose the rule with an Apple software update is now 'look before you leap'

[madrobby]

Originally posted by Neuro
The differences I've noticed are definitely more like an improved graphics driver, or a faster quartz engine.


There are new graphics drivers included in 10.2.8., maybe "borrowed" from Panther. Has anyone more on this?

[FuzzyBallz]

Man, I thought Apple has the best QC.

I downloaded the 40 something MB 10.2.8 patch to the DT on Monday just before I left the lab. I was waiting for more user feedback 'cause I read some problem posts about it.

... now, what should I do w/ this patch... oh well, guess I'll just have to wait for the good one. Don't want to mess up the system, it's got some very crucial data on it.

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by dguisinger
So let me get this straight. You blame MS for a release that didn't work on a proprietary compaq POS (which working in EDU we learned never buy compaq again)...even though Compaq generally has access to server service packs for months before release to test for issues. Microsoft doesn't control every hardware platform, it is up to vendors and their users testing the betas to report problems. I've been in the NT service pack betas, they are long betas, its not like Compaq didn't know about it.

So you are blaming MS for either a Compaq screwup, or MS knew and reported the issue in the release notes and you probably ignored them and installed without checking to see if it effected your machine.

Typical bashing of MS. Hardware configuration / driver problems are almost always a manufacturer's problem, not an MS problem. People like to blame MS for blue screens, but you should really look at the vendor who wrote the driver. Thats like blaming Apple if a 3rd party driver trashed the system and made it refuse to boot.

To make things worse, Apple has complete control of their released hardware configurations. This leaves Apple with very little excuse for releasing an update as bad as this was. MS on the other hand has a beta testing room with about 1000 computers, with automated testing tools to test for compatibility issues. But with all the mfg configurations out there, they can never have them all. In the end, it is always upto the mfg to make sure software works on their machines the way its supposed to, and if it doesn't, report the issue and work with the vendor to fix it.

Since its 3Am I don't feel totally getting into it, Suffice it to say that POS as you call it that runs NT 4 has been up and running for 3 years with NO downtime. The last time we did an update with for Y2K. I'd suggest moding your attitude its obvious from the post you have no details on this issue and are mouthing off with NO facts.
It was MS's POS service pack that had an incompatibility with a MS provided Compaq RAID driver. Know how I know? We didn't install any drivers for the RAID when the system was rolled out. The OS defaults were used. Also no mention in the tech notes about needing an updated RAID driver. That came later after the cluster**** was discovered.
I bash MS because I KNOW MS. My office that I manage is 100% Microsoft Windows/Office/Visio/etc/etc based. You want to start talking about windows. I know it. Why do you think I'm looking at getting a Mac??!?!

We recently rolled out W2K SP4 to 164 systems in the office. 94 desktops, 70 laptops. All Dell, all running the exact same W2K image that I created. Of those I redid 16 machines from scratch because SP4 blew them up. 8 other systems have not been the same since the install with the screen sitting at applying system policies for a good 10 minutes which makes me believe the update broke something in windows. Nothing in the log files to confirm this though but its obvious something bad happened. Identical configurations with system policies in place to keep users from installing any additional software so that is NOT a factor. MS patches are flaky and down right dangerous. PERIOD. Goodnight.

[Bin_jammin]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Since its 3Am I don't feel totally getting into it, Suffice it to say that POS as you call it that runs NT 4 has been up and running for 3 years with NO downtime. The last time we did an update with for Y2K. I'd suggest moding your attitude its obvious from the post you have no details on this issue and are mouthing off with NO facts.
It was MS's POS service pack that had an incompatibility with a MS provided Compaq RAID driver. Know how I know? We didn't install any drivers for the RAID when the system was rolled out. The OS defaults were used. Also no mention in the tech notes about needing an updated RAID driver. That came later after the cluster**** was discovered.
I bash MS because I KNOW MS. My office that I manage is 100% Microsoft Windows/Office/Visio/etc/etc based. You want to start talking about windows. I know it. Why do you think I'm looking at getting a Mac??!?!

We recently rolled out W2K SP4 to 164 systems in the office. 94 desktops, 70 laptops. All Dell, all running the exact same W2K image that I created. Of those I redid 16 machines from scratch because SP4 blew them up. 8 other systems have not been the same since the install with the screen sitting at applying system policies for a good 10 minutes which makes me believe the update broke something in windows. Nothing in the log files to confirm this though but its obvious something bad happened. Identical configurations with system policies in place to keep users from installing any additional software so that is NOT a factor. MS patches are flaky and down right dangerous. PERIOD. Goodnight.

Are you really arguing about who hates M$ more? Don't get me wrong, I've got plenty of ways I waste my own time during each day, I just wanted to double check... :D

[oli.watts]

(Powerbook G4 1gHz, Ti)

Well, it was all good... until the update failed (twice), then on the third time said it was successful. It then proceeded to get stuck on a lovely attractive grey and white screen all evening, until I hard reset it in the morning.

Now battery life (on a full charge is 1:12) and the machine is slow as a dog. And it whistles, which is very curious.

Why!!?!

[guet]

Originally posted by Mephisto
Works just fine for me. Dual 1ghz, no beta OS ever...1.25gb of ram, 1tb of HD space... although I have had the problem of applications hiding upon switch before (in every prior version of the OS) I always figured it was normal and because of something I accidentally pressed while high.

uh, like the 'alt' key?

If you press that while switching apps you'll hide the previous one. It's not a bug, it's a feature.:eek:

[edesignuk]

I'm so glad I didn't update! After the problems I had with either 10.2.4/5 (can't rememeber which) I decided I'd never update straight away, looks like it paid off this time :D

[Roller]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Each time you reboot, actually. At least in my experience.

My iMac 400 went from screen saver to kernel panic. Very curious. Thankfully, I won't have to deal with it much longer because my PowerBook is delivered tomorrow! HA HA, SUCKERS!

(Wasn't there a security update or something similar awhile ago that would nuke your home directory? I think I remember something like that.)

I've never had to do this after a simple reboot, but every time I've updated the OS in some way, even after some relatively minor patches. Luckily, I've had no problems with 10.2.8 (so far).

Apple's going to have to find a way to fix the patch as well as undo the damage caused by the pulled version. Hopefully, it's simply a matter of replacing a file or two. I'd hate to have to reinstall 10.2 and then run an updater.

[danhaupt]

One of our G4 DP machines at work lost its ethernet after the update, does anyone have a working link to the AppleGMACEthernet.kext driver that works on these machines?

Thanks,

Dan

[mechamac]

....on a 1GB iMac. Sleeps, boots, ethernet is okay. I kinda like that they pulled the update after I installed. Makes me feel like a lone wolf rebel with a chip on my shoulder and nothing to lose.

[stockscalper]

Many years ago, back in the System 7 days, after messing up my computer royally with a new upgrade I've learned to wait for a few weeks and read the feedback on the forums and see if Apple makes any changes.

[beefcake]

It's official, 10.2.8 took an hour off my battery life :mad:

[Potus]

Installed on my Blueberry iBook and my 15" iMac. No problema...yet.

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by bmeyer
I installed the 10.2.8 update this morning (and right now, I'm connecting through dialup, so this is no small task)

{snip}

PS - on an unrelated note: if you ever want to ruin a perfectly good peanut butter and jelly sandwich, make it with low-carb bread. I have eaten sand that has better flavor and texture. Just thought you should know. :D

Good Morning;
I downloaded both: 10.2.8 Updater, and 10.2.8 Combo Updater. Both downloads are too big for dial-up. My local Apple Store allowed me to download both Updater files from Apple's websites while using the Apple Store's T-1 connection.

An Apple Store technician was curious to see if a customer could do the download and installation all by himself. While I did my thing, the technician helped a customer with a laptop that was having mechanical problems. The customer was also curious about the 10.2.8 updates.

No download problems using the local Apple Store's T-1 connection.

Neither updater is for the G5. 10.2.7 is also found in the newest laptops. Yes, 10.2.8 is for the newest laptops, too.

I used only the 10.2.8 Combo updater:
1. At the Apple Store, my QuickSilver had only the USB Apple Pro Keyboard & Mouse, a VGA monitor and the ethernet cable attached. I brought only the QS, nothing else, to the Apple Store.

I installed the 10.2.8 Combo Updater to update my primary (Master) hard drive. Then I immediately launched Cocktail ($10) and ran all of the Pilot routines: Repair Permissions is one of those routines.

2. At home, I connected everything that I use: two VGA monitors, Griffin USB iMic, VST USB floppy, USB scanner, ethernet printer (Apple IIg) via Belkin switch, Apple Pro keyboard & mouse, and an old LogiTech USB Marble Mouse.

I installed the 10.2.8 Combo Updater on my other (Slave) hard drive that I use for Virtual PC 5 and OS 9.2.2. Then I immediately launched Cocktail ($10) and ran all of the Pilot routines: Repair Permissions is one of those routines.
=-=
Results: Everything works on the first launch, and then works better on the second launch, and then stays better after subsequent computer reboots.
I have clicked on everything to see if it works. Everything seems to have needed a second simple re-launchto make it work better in the new OS. Must have been new pref's being filed. I dunno, but everything is flying today.

I use TinkerTool and Haxies' Xounds, WindowShade X and FruitMenu.
.... darned noises from OS 9 Appearance are louder and more responsive now.

Observation: Is it me, or does 10.2.8 seem faster than 10.2.6 with graphics? An eight page Word document that is heavy with .jpgs opened way too fast. Blink and a half, it's open. WOW !!!

I'm using 1600x1200 on my Philips 17 inch flat screen CRT driven by an ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Edition PCI card that is also driving an old Sony Multiscan 17 inch CRT at 1280x1024.

Maybe something about drawing the graphics has been transferred from the processor to the graphics card? I dunno, but it sure is faster.
=-=
I don't do games.
Safari asked for new permissions with Keychain. Okay. Seems faster too.
123456789 Keypad works.
ABCDEFG: Caps works.
MS Office X documents have the correct icons. I never had AppleWorks.
Dual monitors still in same locations, but I did move them back and forth in the Displays control Pref pane, just to be sure there wasn't a problem.
Home Ethernetwork via Belkin ethernet switch works for filesharing and printing to the ethernet Apple IIg laserwriter from either Mac. The other Mac is a 6500 G3-400.
=-=
Summary: FAST FAST FAST !!!
... it's about time.
-
JJ

... And I like my PB&J on non-diet whole grain bread. The round top loaf, not the Sandwich loaf. Store Brand is fine. :D

[Lancetx]

After using my eMac extensively yesterday and this morning, I can say that 10.2.8 definitely didn't cause any real problems on my system. The only issue I had at all was that it didn't detect my USB Bluetooth adapter upon restart, but after unpluging and then pluging it back in again it worked just fine. I've had no ethernet, airport or application/kernel panic errors of any kind.

As for the battery issue, I seriously doubt anyone actually lost any real battery time due to this update, it's just that the reporting by the OS is screwed up initially because of it. My friend had the same problem on her iBook yesterday when it was showing only 1:30 remaining despite being almost fully charged. However, it ran much longer than that (3+ hours before pluging it back in to charge) and the reporting now seems to be much more accurate after it ran for a few hours and calibrated itself better. Hopefully though they'll address that bug if they can as well before they re-release 10.2.8 again.

[rickvanr]

when i installed and restarted, all my icons were messed up, the docs with the different icons still open in the correct app, but the icons were different. i restarted and everything was fine, it was odd.

any one else have this problem?

[coachingguy]

After having horrible problems with 10.2.6. I updated as soon I could to 10.2.8 on my 900, combo iBook. Speed improved, no harddrive clicks, no sleep or power problems... Guess I'm one of the fortunate ones. I'll be curious to see what the update(patch?) looks like so resolve all these issues people seem to be having.
However, still waiting with anticipation for Panther!

[tduality]

Originally posted by bmeyer

For the record, the only hacks/mods I am running are LaunchBar and TransparentDock (I believe), which is only set to make hidden app icons appear semi-translucent in the Dock.

>8- snip---

Then, as if the Karmic wheel pulled an abrupt about-face, it happened. I clicked on System Preferences in the Dock, and it opened, but it hid Safari. I put down my peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I clicked on Safari, and it came up, but hid System Preferences. I cmd-tabbed back to System Preferences, and it came up, but hid Safari. The sandwich remained uneaten. So it goes.

At this point, I scratched my head and said, "weird," and switched Safari to see if anyone else was having my problem. I clicked the link to the next page, and a download window popped up. Safari wanted to download showthread.php. So it goes.

Having come to this particular crossroads, I quit everything and rebooted. I've been trying to break the machine for the last hour, to no avail. Everything is working great, and bloody fast too. Safari and all the iApps spring to life when opened. Office, despite its bloatiness, opens forthwith. And on and on.

So the moral of this story is: if your machine boots up in the first place, and if you are having weird problems with 10.2.8, try a reboot if you haven't already (although you really should have by now). Things will work out--they always do. Just be glad Apple cared enough to pull this update as quick as they did, and rest assured that some folks in Cupertino will be pulling all-nighters the next few days until this thing is rock-solid.

Good luck kids,

bm

PS - on an unrelated note: if you ever want to ruin a perfectly good peanut butter and jelly sandwich, make it with low-carb bread. I have eaten sand that has better flavor and texture. Just thought you should know. :D

Now, that is interesting. I can't comment on your sandwich, but the thing with automatically hiding applications is something that happened on my machine recently, too. Meaning, I had that before the upgrade to 10.2.8 (which didn't cause any troubles so far).

I also have Launchbar, but I think I saw this before I installed it. Maybe the Option key getting stuck once in a while? No idea.

edit: typo

[davei]

I installed the 10.2.8 update on a Wallstreet (my "guinea pig" for testing things) and the only problem I can see (for now) is that hardware video acceleration is gone. VCD movies used to play smoothly, now they're choppy. Anyone else notice this?

[Foxer]

OK. After proudly proclaiming my 1 GHZ eMac was experienceing no problems, I now have them. Safari is regularly crashing on me. Mail and safari have forgotten passwords. Lastly, when I tried to wake the machine up his morning I got a kernal panic, which I've never previously had on this machine. With luck, there will be a fix soon, since I'm planning on selling the little thing next week to pay for a cinema display.

Maybe it's not the 2.8 upgrade, but it's pretty coincidnental.

[niall2]

Originally posted by Toppa G's
I had to reinstall OS X.2 on my iBook after I attempted to install the update. My 'Book froze near the end of optimization, and then when I restarted, wouldn't let me log in. :(
All back together now though, and seems to run 10.2.8 OK.

I had the freeze as well (and I didn't see where it froze all I had was a blank screen). Reboot seemed OK but now I have no idea whats in there as my Transparent DocK still WORKS. SSH got updated and I think so did Safari, but I cannot prove it.

I fear a reinstall is in my future as well...

[pdovinh]

OS 10.2.8 Update:

iMac 17 800: No problem encountered.
PM 800 DP: No problem encountered.
PM 1.4 DP: No problem encountered.
PB 12" 867: Battery life (time shown) seemed to be shortened. Actual battery life when measured may be better than before update. I may be wrong...

Am I lucky with the update or what?

pd

[3xtrmn8r]

This is why I ALWAYS delay my updates for a week.

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by GigaWire
updated 12 dual 800's and 4 dual gigs at work today, no problems with hanging/booting, or network.

12? Zowee! I thought it was cool having just one of these things!

Did you notice a faster boot up? My machine seems to take less time to detect devices (windmill) and then blasts through the OSX screen about twice as fast.

Its was faster than my WinXP box before, now even more so.

[rog]

No noticeable probs on my DP 867 with a few unsanity haxies. Ran repair permissions before and after and used combo updater. Also ran macjanitor after. My iBook 800 seems to indicate shorter battery life after a full charge but I haven't timed it for real battery life since I rarely use it away from it's regular desk where i plug it in. Overall, no more problematic than any of the other updates.

[lewdvig]

I am going to test some big docs and PDFs tonight to see if the graphics engine really was sped up. Maybe some game benchies too. I have lots of previous data to compare with.

I wonder if some of the speed ups in Panther are present in 2.8...

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by rog
Ran repair permissions before and after and used combo updater. Also ran macjanitor after.

If you have DiskWarrior, you should run that too ;)

[Tom Golden]

well I let my battery run down, said I had two hours on the full charge...battery lasted 4hrs. After charging back up, howeve,r it has not recalibrated. It still is off on prediction of how much time is left. I mean yeah it is totally cosmetic and at this point I could careless. I must say 10.2.8 makes my ibook 500mhz scream! I am shocked at how fast apps open.

[beerguy]

It's interesting that in the text of Apple's retraction the work arounds seem to indicate that the network problem is 10BaseT only. It must be an auto-negiation problem.

I got scared and did the the kext repair on my new 15" 1.25 Powerbook, but my 1ghz iMac at home is updated and running fine.

Both systems connect to 100baseT ports only which may be why I was unaffected.

[wes16v]

Seeing the same thing on my 1GHz Ti. Kind of annoying although rather pointless. It'd be another thing if it had actually dropped from 4 hours to the 1 hour thirty minutes it now shows me.

Wes

Originally posted by Tom Golden
well I let my battery run down, said I had two hours on the full charge...battery lasted 4hrs. After charging back up, howeve,r it has not recalibrated. It still is off on prediction of how much time is left. I mean yeah it is totally cosmetic and at this point I could careless. I must say 10.2.8 makes my ibook 500mhz scream! I am shocked at how fast apps open.

[Marlon_JBT]

Well, after several reboots, Disk Utility, running at highest and reduced battery power...

I see a definite improvement in speed on reduced power, while on the battery. However, I'm running the run-down check in about 17 minutes, when my battery fully charges. It's funny, because with 10.2.6, my battery charging time would be really screwy, but battery remaining, while screwy itself, was much better than 10.2.3, which my PB shipped with. Now, the charging time is accurate!

No noticeable speed improvement when on highest processor power.

Still waiting for my PB to return to normal...

Still better than Windows...

Still love my PB.

As for Ethernet, I did not get a dropped connection, that was the fault of the PowerBook, but the lost connection came from the main office. :-)

Fluid runs MUCH BETTER with 10.2.8. I read some mention about better video graphics drivers...could that be the reason?

Oh yeah! I haven't gotten a kernel panic either today or yesterday! That makes me really happy! I'll wait a week before I'm completely happy with 10.2.8.

[Steamboatwillie]

Apple posted this in regards to the problems with the update:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107669

[rauhda]

PB G4 667 MHz 1GB Ram - installing 10.2.8 blocks my firewire external hard drive from LaCie from being seen by my PB so I can't back up!!!

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by rauhda
PB G4 667 MHz 1GB Ram - installing 10.2.8 blocks my firewire external hard drive from LaCie from being seen by my PB so I can't back up!!!

So... There's more than just an ethernet problem?

[lewdvig]

Originally posted by Steamboatwillie
Apple posted this in regards to the problems with the update:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107669


hmmmm. This is the exact model I have and yet I have not experienced any problems.

This is a good excuse to pull the update.

PEOPLE WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING HERE!

I bet there is some sneaky secret stuff in the update that we are not supposed to find out about.

[beefcake]

My harddrive won't shut up as a result of the update, constantly clicking and such. Are there any repairs I can run? I'm new to OS X.

[MacAficionado]

I never had a problem with my Mac until updating to 2.8.
I hope it does not become a problem, but yesterday I went to wake my MDD 867 from sleep and the hard drive started spinning as normal, but I did not get anything on the screen.
And it does not respond to key strokes or the force shutdown by pressing the power button for a few seconds.
I have noticed a speed increase in most things but this worries me, I don't want it to become annoying.
It has happened twice already, anybody have any suggestions?

Thank you

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by beefcake
My harddrive won't shut up as a result of the update, constantly clicking and such. Are there any repairs I can run? I'm new to OS X.

Restart with cmd-s held down, until you're looking at a black screen with white text (looks like DOS, but it's called single user mode). When the screen stops scrolling, you'll see a prompt. At the promt, type:

fsck -y (the space before the -y is essential)

A disk check will begin. Run it as many times as required, until it doesn't report that any repairs have occurred (usually once is enough, but not always). When that's done, type:

reboot

If the problem is directory-related, this should fix it.

[hsilver]

I am one of the ones who lost my ethernet and DSL.

Apple Tech Support told me to reload 10.2 with archiving of old system and then download 10.2.6 and get back to where I was. Permissions repair, rebooting, Disk Warrior, resetting the network -none helped.

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by MacAficionado
I never had a problem with my Mac until updating to 2.8.
I hope it does not become a problem, but yesterday I went to wake my MDD 867 from sleep and the hard drive started spinning as normal, but I did not get anything on the screen.
And it does not respond to key strokes or the force shutdown by pressing the power button for a few seconds.
I have noticed a speed increase in most things but this worries me, I don't want it to become annoying.
It has happened twice already, anybody have any suggestions?

Thank you

I have this happen every time I sleep. This is my solution. Unplug your monitor, wait a sec, and plug it back in. That's what I have to do. It works for me every time.

[Doctor Q]

I can no longer import from my digital still camera into iPhoto. iPhoto gets an application error and quits. This has never happened before. Is this a 10.2.8 ill effect or a coincidence?

[ezmobius]

I hate this.....My tibook wont wake up after sleep.Just spins the drive and nothing on the monitor.I have to press the power button to kill it then reboot every time.

[Genie]

My camera imported fine, but I don't use iPhoto because it insists on its own naming conventions, if i recall right...http://www.geniesongs.com/genie/endorsements/apple/Genie-G5Computer50pix.jpg (http://geniesongs.com/personal.html)

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by Foxer
{snip}
Safari is regularly crashing on me.
{snip}



Quit: Safari.

Trash: com.apple.quicktime.plugin.preferences.plist

Launch: Safari.

[kikimus]

My Powerbook 12 revision 1, battery life is now horrible.

Not just the meter, but I have dropped from getting around 3.5 hours on reduced processer, spin down on, sleep in 5 minutes.... to about 2.3 hours.

I have re-calibrated the battery (one of my two), and no improvement. I haven't re-set the APM yet. I am waiting for the 10.2.8 "fix" to come out, hopefully Apple won't wait another week.

I am tempted to "downgrade" but I am not sure if I will have to re-install all my apps (dreamweaver, photoshop, keynote, office, the list goes on).

Has anyone "downgraded" using the "archive" feature and been able to keep from re-installing their apps?

Words cannot describe how dissapointed I am with this update.

[RichP]

The update totally messed up my Powerbook 17. Thing would kernel crash every 5 minutes, or freeze; screen would flicker, but network worked fine. Apple suggested archive restore thing; that left my computer in this strange neutered state where some things worked, others didnt (aka internet, airport, some programs) Got out the old Lacie drive, put everything on it, and had to do a clean install.

NOT IMPRESSED.

and of course, I have to eat my words to my PC friends about macs being so much more stable..LOL :D

[j33pd0g]

There had to be something defective with the update. Maybe someone accidently posted the wrong build. And maybe someone is now looking for a new job.

[RichP]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
And maybe someone is now looking for a new job.

ROTFL!

[gedboy]

733 MHz G4 and 12" PB linked via airport extreme. Neither will print giving me a 'limitcheck' error name on my Brother HL-5079N.

I note the failure with an archive and install so won't do that.

My 12" PB I didn't upgrade from 10.2.6 but it gives the same printed error, so where is the problem?

I changed my link to the printer from ethernet to USB and from my Netgear ADSL hub to the airport but the problem remains. Why is the PB screwed though?

[Phil Of Mac]

null--wish I could delete these

[gedboy]

OK, so I booted up from a secondary internal HD which was running 10.2.5. I upgraded to 10.2.6 and printed a few things off to check it was .8 that was the bad 'un.

The PB printed ok too. I booted back into 10.2.8 and hey presto, printing now works. Why, I do not know.

Word seems a little flakey as it crashed twice on one document but was ok on another. Text Edit was fine.

Wossit all abaht then?

[ibolithosje]

Must be lucky but a Ti Pb 667, Lacie Fw HDD, iPod, 2nd display, USB hub, palm m130, usb floppy.... 10.2.8 combo from 10.2.6 and all is fine.

battery life changes dramatically by dropping screen brightness 3 points.

[kikimus]

Well, I'm boned.....

I reset the nvram and re-calibrated the battery and it just keeps getting worse.

Now I am only getting 1:58 on a full charge with power saving enabled, reduced processor performance, and the screen three tics up from completely off. It's almost like the power saving function is completely disabled.

I guess I'm going back to 10.2.6, since Apple apparantly isn't acknowleging anything but an ethernet problem, so I'm not betting it's going to be fixed in the update. A search on usenet, confirms that I'm not alone.

What I don't understand is why they haven't released an "oops we ********* up, here's a rollback to 10.2.6 patch"

[gopher]

Originally posted by kikimus
Well, I'm boned.....

I reset the nvram and re-calibrated the battery and it just keeps getting worse.

Now I am only getting 1:58 on a full charge with power saving enabled, reduced processor performance, and the screen three tics up from completely off. It's almost like the power saving function is completely disabled.

I guess I'm going back to 10.2.6, since Apple apparantly isn't acknowleging anything but an ethernet problem, so I'm not betting it's going to be fixed in the update. A search on usenet, confirms that I'm not alone.

What I don't understand is why they haven't released an "oops we ********* up, here's a rollback to 10.2.6 patch"

They have:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107669

[kikimus]

Yeah...

It does appear that re-installing the OS does fix the problem... thanks for the tip
:rolleyes:

[gopher]

Originally posted by kikimus
Yeah...

It does appear that re-installing the OS does fix the problem... thanks for the tip
:rolleyes:

So does Archive and Installing and reapplying the 10.2.6 update. That at least preserves your user and network settings. You should submit feedback to http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback if you find issues with 10.2.8 not addressed in their knowledgebase.

[loopdreams]

10.2.8 has been the most dangerous update yet, for me. Battery life in the old Powerbook skydived to around 20mins, making it into a desktop machine for now; and I'm sure it's also responsible for breaking my fridge ;)

Anyone know if Apple will address the battery issues as well as the ethernet ones?

[Marlon_JBT]

I dunno about anyone else...

But I operated for who knows how long on my battery today. I lost count on the hours and minutes. I was able to put it back on the power adapter before it even had 20 minutes to go to sleep.

The percentage indicator is very accurate.

Other than that, I'm waiting for Panther.

[arizona_kimbo]

Well, I read all the other posts so now I'm going to share my tale of woe. I updated to 10.2.8 on my brand-new 12" Powerbook (rev. 1). Everything was working fine at first. Internet, applications, etc. Then I shut off the Powerbook because I wasn't planning on using it for a couple of days. Last night I booted up and opened internet explorer and got an error message saying it couldn't connect to the server. Checked the switch, cables, everything and nothing would fix it. I know it's not my ISP because the two other computers work fine (BTW, they're PCs). No one else with a Powerbook seemed to have this trouble. Any suggestions as to what the problem could be? I'm really hoping the new update (whenever it comes out) will cure my Powerbook.

[gopher]

Originally posted by arizona_kimbo
Well, I read all the other posts so now I'm going to share my tale of woe. I updated to 10.2.8 on my brand-new 12" Powerbook (rev. 1). Everything was working fine at first. Internet, applications, etc. Then I shut off the Powerbook because I wasn't planning on using it for a couple of days. Last night I booted up and opened internet explorer and got an error message saying it couldn't connect to the server. Checked the switch, cables, everything and nothing would fix it. I know it's not my ISP because the two other computers work fine (BTW, they're PCs). No one else with a Powerbook seemed to have this trouble. Any suggestions as to what the problem could be? I'm really hoping the new update (whenever it comes out) will cure my Powerbook.
Archive and Install Mac OS X:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120

It will restore your original ethernet kernel extension and should fix a few things.

[Dingwall]

I have a PowerBook G4. After 10.2.8 the start-up is VERY slow (first one not at all).

My biggest problem though is that Word, Excel and Powerpoint (Office X) no longer works!? I've reinstalled Office X to no avail.

HELP Please!! :confused:

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by Dingwall
I have a PowerBook G4. After 10.2.8 the start-up is VERY slow (first one not at all).

My biggest problem though is that Word, Excel and Powerpoint (Office X) no longer works!? I've reinstalled Office X to no avail.

HELP Please!! :confused:

Repair permissions? I haven't had any trouble with Office X since 10.2.8. I wish I did. I despise using M$ products.

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by Dingwall
I have a PowerBook G4. After 10.2.8 the start-up is VERY slow (first one not at all).

My biggest problem though is that Word, Excel and Powerpoint (Office X) no longer works!? I've reinstalled Office X to no avail.

HELP Please!! :confused:

First:
Run Cocktail: Select System and run PreBind Entire System.
... and then Run Cocktail: Select Pilot, select all 4 items, run them, and then afterwards: reboot.
-
If that doesn't fixit: run Dragster and Jaguar Cache Cleaner, and Cocktail again.

If that doesn't fixit: Boot to your Norton Utilities' CD and run Disk Doctor to tweak the files, and Speed Disk to defrag the drive.

NEVER INSTALL ANYTHING FROM THE NORTON CD TO YOUR HARD DRIVE !!!
=-=
You should always REPAIR PERMISSIONS before and after any software update/upgrade.

I always REPAIR PERMISSIONS before and after any software update/upgrade.

I have not had any problems with 10.2.8 or 10.2.8 Build 6R73, and MS Office X latest revision.

Update your MS Office to the latest.
=-=
Slow bootup: Are you connected to an ethernetwork? No? Continue ...

Open System Preferences > click Network > Show, scroll to Built-in Ethernet > go to Configure: change "using DHCP" to any other.

Your IP address is located at the bottom flags in Apple System Profiler.
=-=
JJ on a QuickSilver G4-733

[Mattnh]

Since the update of the 'new' 10.2.8 i have serieus firewire issues. To check if it was the external HDs or the G4 I hooked it up to an different G4 and it works fine there. Never had problems with the Firewire HDs before.
It just doesn't mount. And when it does it falls of the desktop after a few minutes with a warning to follow. Help?

[JJTiger1]

Originally posted by Mattnh
Since the update of the 'new' 10.2.8 i have serieus firewire issues. To check if it was the external HDs or the G4 I hooked it up to an different G4 and it works fine there. Never had problems with the Firewire HDs before.
It just doesn't mount. And when it does it falls of the desktop after a few minutes with a warning to follow. Help? mattnh@zonnet.nl

Join up to the FREE OSXList.com.

OSXlist.com is an Apple officially sanctioned Mac Users Group.

You can post any questions about problems with OSX and G-series computers, and the software and hardware that is supposed to work.

Answers are submitted by knowledgable experienced Mac Users.

Although it is an OSX email forum, your OS 9 question will be honored as valid. "Classic" runs on most G-series machines.

Be sure to post your computer model along with your problem. Include the quantity of RAM and OS-number.
=-=
They have helped me with my QuickSilver G4-733 and OS 10.2.8 Build 6R73. 640 meg of ram.
=-=
JJ

[AppleMatt]

Mattnh,

Usually not a good idea to put your email addy in posts, for a number of reasons.

AppleMatt

[Potus]

Originally posted by AppleMatt
Mattnh,

Usually not a good idea to put your email addy in posts, for a number of reasons.

AppleMatt


yup. edit your post and remove it.

[Genie]

Just had a major drag until I realized that old system disks, such as diskwarrior and Jaguar, won't boot the G5.

Had to make an emergency boot CD with a neatt little program called, I think, Boot CD.

[Mattnh]

I still would like to know what's happening with Apple and FireWire. It seems, also in other threats, that they (Apple) are not doing the best thing around... My FW HD keeps falling of the desktop and can not mount after updating to 10.2.8.:(

[gopher]

Originally posted by Mattnh
I still would like to know what's happening with Apple and FireWire. It seems, also in other threats, that they (Apple) are not doing the best thing around... My FW HD keeps falling of the desktop and can not mount after updating to 10.2.8.:(

It isn't necessarily a Firewire issue. I tell you both my iSight, and my Firewire hard drives mount in 10.2.8 without issue. There must be some other factor. Some people have reported issues with Macs and Maxtor drives which includes those drives that have a Maxtor inside the Firewire case. It could also be how the drive was formatted.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by gopher
It isn't necessarily a Firewire issue. I tell you both my iSight, and my Firewire hard drives mount in 10.2.8 without issue. There must be some other factor. Some people have reported issues with Macs and Maxtor drives which includes those drives that have a Maxtor inside the Firewire case. It could also be how the drive was formatted.

I have the Maxtor 5400 rpm FireWire drive, the original 10.2.8, and no problems. Maybe someone can figure that one out.

[gopher]

Originally posted by bousozoku
I have the Maxtor 5400 rpm FireWire drive, the original 10.2.8, and no problems. Maybe someone can figure that one out.

I should say, it may be specific Maxtor drives or installed drivers that may pose a difficulty.

[Mattnh]

Maybe that my system-specs give some enlightment ;)
- Apple DP G4 1.25 GHz (OS 9 bootable).
- 512 Mb memory.
- Running 10.2.6 at the moment. I reverted from 10.2.8 after the HD-problems started. 10.2.6 has brought up no problems before, for a few months. Seemed save to me. My former 10.2.6 was running on a G4 733 MHz, the DP G4 1.25 GHz is my new machine.
- 2 External IceCube FireWire HDs, loaded with Western Digital 120 Gb disks with 8 Mb cache (special edition). No RAID, just two seperate HDs.

Disk Utility and DiskWarrior say that HDs are OK (for as long as they stay mounted) and hooked up to other G4s they work fine. Could it be the discussed FW-ports of the G4? They're still mounting shabby and loose contact with the G4.

[gopher]

Originally posted by Mattnh
Maybe that my system-specs give some enlightment ;)
- Apple DP G4 1.25 GHz (OS 9 bootable).
- 512 Mb memory.
- Running 10.2.6 at the moment. I reverted from 10.2.8 after the HD-problems started. 10.2.6 has brought up no problems before, for a few months. Seemed save to me. My former 10.2.6 was running on a G4 733 MHz, the DP G4 1.25 GHz is my new machine.
- 2 External IceCube FireWire HDs, loaded with Western Digital 120 Gb disks with 8 Mb cache (special edition). No RAID, just two seperate HDs.

Disk Utility and DiskWarrior say that HDs are OK (for as long as they stay mounted) and hooked up to other G4s they work fine. Could it be the discussed FW-ports of the G4? They're still mounting shabby and loose contact with the G4.

Yes, if two operating systems yield the same result, suspect the hardware.

[Mattnh]

It was a frustrating sunday, I must say.
Reverted to 10.2.6 and the works. Machine runs smooth and the permissions are repaired. The FW HDs keep dropping of my machine after all. The G4s of my collegues have NO ISSUES AT ALL with the HD. Even after deep sleep they wake up as expected and like I was used to with my G4 733. Even after hours. No harm. Files O.K..
F#*K THAT!
Must be my FireWire's on the BRAND NEW machine after all.
Is this a know problem?
This could suck...
I read something about getting a FireWire HUB as buffer. Could that work/help?

[gopher]

Originally posted by Mattnh
It was a frustrating sunday, I must say.
Reverted to 10.2.6 and the works. Machine runs smooth and the permissions are repaired. The FW HDs keep dropping of my machine after all. The G4s of my collegues have NO ISSUES AT ALL with the HD. Even after deep sleep they wake up as expected and like I was used to with my G4 733. Even after hours. No harm. Files O.K..
F#*K THAT!
Must be my FireWire's on the BRAND NEW machine after all.
Is this a know problem?
This could suck...
I read something about getting a FireWire HUB as buffer. Could that work/help?

Firewire on any machine can fail for no other reason that dust or static electricity. Sure you could use a Firewire hub, but if neither of your Firewire ports is working, I don't know how much that will help you. There are plenty of Firewire PCI cards out there you can get, many available from http://www.macsales.com/

[Genie]

Originally posted by gopher
Firewire on any machine can fail for no other reason that dust or static electricity.

Does that mean that Serial ATA is more reliable?

[gopher]

Well that failure usually would not happen when it is already plugged in. It could happen as you are plugging it in, or during a period of non-use.

I wouldn't know if serial ATA is more or less reliable, but you should have no trouble plugging in a Firewire drive. A few though have reported problems with Firewire drives falling asleep on them, and it has happened to me a few times, and as a result, I wrote this freeware script called Spindown Fix:

http://www.macmaps.com/software.html

[Genie]

Can you hot-plug SATA like you can firewire?

[Plutoniq]

Well, initially I thought that the 10.2.8 update introduced no issues on my 500mhz Pismo. However, I have found out now that it has caused problems with Waking from sleep, an issue that had been fixed on my machine with 10.2.6

I know it is not a hardware issue, because Sleep always works without a hitch on Mac OS 9.2.2

So, in 10.2.8, waking from sleep either;

-Wakes the entire system except for the Screen.....which stays dark.

-Wakes only the harddrive, while the rest of the system stays powered down.

I've tried everything to resolve the issue;

-"Reset-NVRAM" & "Reset-All" in Open Firmware
-Manually resetting the PMU (small button behind the Pismo).
-Reseting PRAM (both with techtool & option+Cmd+P+R on boot)
-trashing Power Mangement Preferences in OS X.

OS X has to be the issue, and hopefully Apple will have this fixed with Panther. It's kind of ridiculous that Apple shrug off the problem......There is no reason why this feature should be buggy to the point where it is dangerous to use it......I just lost some data a few days back because the machine wouldn't wake from sleep, because they were temporary files, the process of rebooting erased them.....thats a problem!!!!!!!!!

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Genie
Can you hot-plug SATA like you can firewire?

Do you really want to open the case and work inside your G5 while it's running?

[Genie]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Do you really want to open the case and work inside your G5 while it's running?

I meant if you're running SATA out to external SATA enclosures, then can you hot-swap the plugs?

[Mattnh]

This is something I found on the net.
Anything you'll know about?

"Incidentally, something NOT fixed in OS 10.2.8 -- with both Oxford 911 and Initio bridge boards"

Just the bridge I got in my IceCubes...