9to5mac.com says iPhone 2 will be out in May '08...

[anti-microsoft]

Here's the link:http://9to5mac.com/appletv-where-are-therentals-34235859

...and the iPhone won't see revision 2 until around May - in time to ship in Asia.


Post your comments and discuss!

[CD3660]

Doesn't surprise me at all.

[speakerwizard]

makes sense. I think they will bump the iphone specs and take the opportunity to release some kind of nano phone, not requiring a contract, just music and phone, or they risk losing the music player market to cheap music playing phones, a lot of people want an apple ipod phone but cant afford or dont need the iphones capabilities.

[Mindflux]

would be just in time for a 3G rollout. I'll believe it when I see it.

[plumbingandtech]

Your title says march but the quote says may?

[anti-microsoft]

Your title says march but the quote says may?

oops!! My appologies for the title! (I'll just go and fix that!:D)

[CD3660]

Your title says march but the quote says may?
I think that's been edited now.

Edit: Posted at the same time as the OP's correction.

[skeen]

I hope it's not true. A hell of a lot of people will be pissed off by such a soon-after release, including myself.

[plumbingandtech]

I hope it's not true. A hell of a lot of people will be pissed off by such a soon-after release, including myself.

A heck of a lot people will have to get used to the fact that IMO, the iphone line will quickly and often be updated.

Steve Jobs already said they have the next one "done" (i think he means in terms of feature set) and they are already working on the 3rd one.

[plumbingandtech]

I think that's been edited now.

Edit: Posted at the same time as the OP's correction.

Cool. I did not even no the subject line was editable. Will have to remember tht since I am all about the typos.

[CD3660]

I hope it's not true. A hell of a lot of people will be pissed off by such a soon-after release, including myself.
This is life. You can't buy a gadget such as this and then expect technological advancement to come to a standstill. It's the same with computers: You're lucky if you have the latest model for six months nowadays. It doesn't make your device any less attractive in my opinion. I wouldn't worry about it.

[skeen]

This is life. You can't buy a gadget such as this and then expect technological advancement to come to a standstill. It's the same with computers: You're lucky if you have the latest model for six months nowadays. It doesn't make your device any less attractive in my opinion. I wouldn't worry about it.

I can accept this, but not when it's coming out so soon after launch! I consider the iPhone special in this regard - it's more expensive than any other contract phone (they're mostly free), people simply cannot afford to get the latest model.

They should at least offer some kind of trade-in discount, or something to please existing owners.

[plumbingandtech]

I can accept this, but not when it's coming out so soon after launch! I consider the iPhone special in this regard - it's more expensive than any other contract phone (they're mostly free), people simply cannot afford to get the latest model.

They should at least offer some kind of trade-in discount, or something to please existing owners.

That model has been out in the states since June 29th of this year, if the release is in May, then that will be almost one year.

Yes. It will have been less time in Europe, but at $400 there are plenty of people that will upgraded each year. I know I will.

You can always skip this one and wait for the next rev.


They should at least offer some kind of trade-in discount, or something to please existing owners.

Why? Did they do this with the iPods which are also priced around the same amount?

[CD3660]

I can accept this, but not when it's coming out so soon after launch! I consider the iPhone special in this regard - it's more expensive than any other contract phone (they're mostly free), people simply cannot afford to get the latest model.

They should at least offer some kind of trade-in discount, or something to please existing owners.
The fact that it is expensive doesn't give you immunity from new models being introduced.

You could always sell your current one on Ebay, and you should be able to get a reasonable price if you keep it in good condition.

[yoda13]

I can accept this, but not when it's coming out so soon after launch! I consider the iPhone special in this regard - it's more expensive than any other contract phone (they're mostly free), people simply cannot afford to get the latest model.

They should at least offer some kind of trade-in discount, or something to please existing owners.

I hear you, but it has been out about a year here by then...I would say that is about right for an update...;)

[sneeks]

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That would be about the right time to launch the 2nd gen iPhone, I'd certainly upgrade to it.

[CD3660]

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That would be about the right time to launch the 2nd gen iPhone, I'd certainly upgrade to it.
I'll be there too.

[Luke Redpath]

And so what if it is. A new revision after 6 months (nearly a year if you are in the US) is hardly unusual for a hi-tech product's lifespan. Anybody who has bought an iPhone now has no reason to be annoyed...if you didn't think it was worth it you wouldn't have bought it anyway.

[SRSound]

The iPhone doesnt need a hardware update, it needs SOFTWARE! I hope this "version 2" really means firmware 2.x or, if it does mean new hardware, the first gen phones will get the same software updates!

[Luke Redpath]

If there isn't another iPhone software release before the end of the year, then the next major update will inevitably be in February to add SDK support.

[skeen]

The iPhone is different from other regular tech products though - soon enough it will be a platform. You don't see Sony releasing a new Playstation every year - that would be a very, very bad idea.

I'm just wondering what this will mean for apps. People are going to be extremely pissed if all the new apps are only available with some new model iPhone, and their existing one is obsolete in terms of getting new stuff.

A big selling point for the iPhone was that the foundations are set for wonderful capabilities in software. This means jack if it's going to be updated every year! It makes it no different from any other phone in that regard.

[CD3660]

A big selling point for the iPhone was that the foundations are set for wonderful capabilities in software. This means jack if it's going to be updated every year! It makes it no different from any other phone in that regard.
To be honest, I'd be astonished if it wasn't updated every year.

[plumbingandtech]

Look,

Bad comprison on the playstation. The iphone is a phone not a videogame system.

2nd, software WILL work on the 2nd gen iphone. SOME things like a GPS (if it is added to the 2nd gen iphone will obviously not work on a first gen.)

3rd, "A big selling point for the iPhone was that the foundations are set for wonderful capabilities in software. This means jack if it's going to be updated every year! "

It will get wonderful features and DOES mean jack since 99% of those features will be useful on 1g iphones and iTouches.

You really need to get to grips with the fact that this phone will be updated often and start saving now.

[skeen]

You really need to get to grips with the fact that this phone will be updated often and start saving now.

Okay, perhaps I'm over-exaggerating LOL. Like someone said, keep my current iPhone in good condition, and sell it when the new one comes out. That should take a nice chunk out of the cost - I'll be fine.

Very much looking forward to the SDK though!

[plumbingandtech]

Okay, perhaps I'm over-exaggerating LOL. Like someone said, keep my current iPhone in good condition, and sell it when the new one comes out. That should take a nice chunk out of the cost - I'll be fine.

Very much looking forward to the SDK though!

That's a good plan. I think that should cover half a new phone for you right there. I was going to sell mine originally but then I think I will keep it as a backup just in case dummy me loses the new one. Or if I have to send one in for repairs.

I would hate to have to go back to my blackberry if I need to send the iphone into the shop:eek::eek:


Very much looking forward to the SDK though!

Me too! I just got a call that the caller ID was BLOCKED. I am hoping someone comes up with an app that will:

Check a incoming phone call.
If BLOCKED send to voicemail and not ring me at all.

I want to know who is calling me, the phone is there for my convience, not theirs.

[benlee]

oh boy here we go with complaining. You got what you paid for no matter if there is a newer one out in a year or five years. People who complain are the people who just wantthe next best thing before everyone else. Technology advances andbecomes cheaper. Get over it. I am so sick of people that think technology should stand still until they are ready willing and able to buy new. These arethe same people that complain about lack of features but don't want them to come our until they personally are ready to buy.

On a side note: I don't think we'll see it until after jus after wwdc

[Rojo]

Darn. I was hoping for March, at the latest.

I know my boyfriend wanted to get it as a gift for me for X-Mas or my birthday (in January) -- but I've been hinting that I want to wait for version 2 to come out. March would be the longest I would want to wait, but May just seems too long. Then again, if I got an iPhone in January, and then the next model comes out a few months later, I'll be bummed.

[CD3660]

I just got a call that the caller ID was BLOCKED. I am hoping someone comes up with an app that will:

Check a incoming phone call.
If BLOCKED send to voicemail and not ring me at all.

I want to know who is calling me, the phone is there for my convenience, not theirs.
Couldn't have put it better myself. If people want to be secretive about who they are, then I don't want to talk to them! It's a bloody cheek!

[Luke Redpath]

Couldn't have put it better myself. If people want to be secretive about who they are, then I don't want to talk to them! It's a bloody cheek!

The irony is, if you don't want to be pestered by sales calls you are best to go ex-directory. If you go ex-directory, then your number will be automatically blocked (in the UK on a BT line anyway). It's not about being secretive.

[CD3660]

if I got an iPhone in January, and then the next model comes out a few months later, I'll be bummed.
Sounds rather painful, and possibly illegal too, or at least it used to be in the U.K. :eek:

[CD3660]

....if you don't want to be pestered by sales calls
I don't know anyone who does. I certainly don't!

I was really referring to individual who withhold their numbers. They need not bother calling me.

[question fear]

The iPhone is different from other regular tech products though - soon enough it will be a platform. You don't see Sony releasing a new Playstation every year - that would be a very, very bad idea.

I'm just wondering what this will mean for apps. People are going to be extremely pissed if all the new apps are only available with some new model iPhone, and their existing one is obsolete in terms of getting new stuff.

A big selling point for the iPhone was that the foundations are set for wonderful capabilities in software. This means jack if it's going to be updated every year! It makes it no different from any other phone in that regard.


One year is a logical amount of time for a phone to be updated. It's even a bit far behind in the world of high-end cells. And if it gets updated in May in the USA, it might not hit Europe until the end of summer/fall, which is right around where it should be for a 10-12 month release cycle.

I think you're letting your desire for the iPhone to be "special" interfere with the fact that the iPhone is not that dissimilar than many high-end phones. The best comparative platform is probably Nokia, in terms of price and because they utilize a proprietary operating system. Nokia updates their phones every 6-9 months. It is HIGHLY unusual for a Nokia design to not see an update after 7 or 8 months unless it's being discontinued. If nothing else they'll tweak the design and re-release it as a special Nxi or Exi edition...see N80i, E61i, etc.

And on most of these phones (most, mind you, not all) they run backwards compatible software. I would hazard a guess that Apple will aim for new software to run on the previous + current gen of iPhones when the release cycles kick in...but not more than one generation behind. That's Apple's general software compatibility strategy. And that would allow them to have a large user base for software without getting mired in legacy support. Once the iPhone platform is fully matured, it may extend farther back.

I strongly suggest you read up on Nokia and Symbian, like I said they are a decent analogue to Apple and will give you a better idea of why it's death in the market to NOT update every 9-12 months.

[Luke Redpath]

I don't know anyone who does. I certainly don't!

I was really referring to individual who withhold their numbers. They need not bother calling me.

You've misunderstood what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is, if I was to ring you my number would show up as "Blocked" because I am ex-directory, not because I've explicitly "withheld" my number. Many people have this on their lines, some may not even realise it, so all you're really doing is risking ignoring calls from people you know.

[psychofreak]

I may get v2, but maybe I'll wait for v3 like I did for the iPod...I would definitely like 32GB, so it could be a fulltime iPod for me...

[CD3660]

....so all you're really doing is risking ignoring calls from people you know.

That's fine by me. They can leave a message on my voicemail if they wish.

Incidentally, I assume that when you talk of being ex-directory you are referring to a landline. I do understand that being ex-directory is a necessity in some rare cases, but it doesn't half bug me when I see 'number withheld' or 'number blocked'.

[csi24]

The only real important things I see Apple doing to the 2g iPhone is maybe a 16gb hard drvie, which may not even happen at all, and maybe 3G since a lot of people want it. Other than that and maybe GPS I don't see many things to be worrried about for the people like me that are getting ready to buy their's. And by adding 3G and GPS it would really put a big damper on the battery life. Apple would have to make a bigger battery, and as some of you have said, the inside of the iPhone is cramped as it is, they really don't have that much room to put stuff into the iPhone. I'm sticking with the 1g until the 3g or 4g iPhone comes out.

Apple will most likely keep the software the same same so everyone can run apps that are being run on the 2g, etc... iPhones on the 1g iPhones

[plumbingandtech]

And by adding 3G and GPS it would really put a big damper on the battery life.

This problem too shall pass.

Broadcom? just announced a new chip that does both and saves on power, I think the release is by next summer.

[csi24]

This problem too shall pass.

Broadcom? just announced a new chip that does both and saves on power, I think the release is by next summer.

Battery life with 3G is one reason why I haven't updated from my Cinguar 8125 which now has 2 newer models after it, both of which have 3G. But seeing as that chip you mentioned comes out in late summer and the 2g iPhone may come out in May then it wouldn't have any effect. But waiting for the 3g or 4g iPhone is really no big deal for me especially since Apple is releasing the SDK in February:apple:

[plumbingandtech]

Battery life with 3G is one reason why I haven't updated from my Cinguar 8125 which now has 2 newer models after it, both of which have 3G. But seeing as that chip you mentioned comes out in late summer and the 2g iPhone may come out in May then it wouldn't have any effect. But waiting for the 3g or 4g iPhone is really no big deal for me especially since Apple is releasing the SDK in February:apple:

I think the timeframes match though. Big Customers get stuff earlier.

[csi24]

I think the timeframes match though. Big Customers get stuff earlier.

I agree with that. But I have no problem knowing that my iPhone will still be a great piece of equipment that can be updated many, many times and still give you the same joy as when you first turn it on:D

[emotion]

I still think 3G in November 08. iPhone2 (ie. firmware 2.x and 16GB, same hardware) in March 08.

I'd love to be wrong though. I'd probably upgrade to a 3G (has to be HSDPA) iPhone despite O2's appauling 3G network coverage.

[nickspohn]

iPhone 2 features over the current iPhone:
3G
Bigger Space
Possibly GPS



oh, wow.

[kamiboy]

I hope Apple before coming with a new version at least fixes the bugs in the current iPhones (forgetting which podcasts you've listened to, Safari crashing randomly and specially often when listening to music while surfing etc. etc.). The iPhone has already had, what, 4 updates and problems like that are still persistent? Why?

Apple fans have always rubbed better stability into the face of those who use software from Apple's competitors. But you know, lately, what, with iPhones having so many bugs and so many of them still unresolved and with Leopard seemingly rushed out with too many issues that a new Apple OS should never have shipped with I am starting to feel like that Apple has loosened the leash a little too much.

I feel that the superiority of Apple software has somewhat declined since they switched to intel platforms and has not gotten better. If Apple wants to tout less buggy and more stable software then I feel they should at least put their money where their mouth is and tighten things up a bit, if not a lot.

[alFR]

Couldn't have put it better myself. If people want to be secretive about who they are, then I don't want to talk to them! It's a bloody cheek!

Unfortunately many big corporate telephone exchange systems don't send a caller ID if you're ringing out from one of their extensions. I know that because our work one does it and it's a pain in the backside: if a client has anonymous call barring on their number we can't get in touch with them. Allegedly there's no way of making it send an ID either. :(

[davidjearly]

I can accept this, but not when it's coming out so soon after launch! I consider the iPhone special in this regard - it's more expensive than any other contract phone (they're mostly free), people simply cannot afford to get the latest model.

They should at least offer some kind of trade-in discount, or something to please existing owners.

No. Technology moves on and the user can either do so to, or stay with their current product.

Your iPhone will still work correctly when version 2 is released. Besides, I don't think 7 months from the UK launch is too soon to release V.2.

David

[FatGolfer]

From engadget today http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/29/atandt-ceo-outs-3g-iphone-youll-have-it-next-year/

[aswitcher]

iPhone 2 features over the current iPhone:
3G
Bigger Space
Possibly GPS



oh, wow.

Better camera that does video

BT stereo spec and wireless headphones

Geek things like temperature and altimeter (GPS would make this a bit redundant but could automatically push the phone to aircraft mode if rapid pressure change) that can be found in plenty of watches

[MikeDTyke]

Battery life with 3G is one reason why I haven't updated from my Cinguar 8125 which now has 2 newer models after it, both of which have 3G. But seeing as that chip you mentioned comes out in late summer and the 2g iPhone may come out in May then it wouldn't have any effect. But waiting for the 3g or 4g iPhone is really no big deal for me especially since Apple is releasing the SDK in February:apple:

That chip is sampling now, currently with potential manufacturers, so i would say it'll have ramped up production well before May 08.

M.

[DeadlyB]

From engadget today http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/29/atandt-ceo-outs-3g-iphone-youll-have-it-next-year/

Yep... I was just about to post that: 3G next year per AT&T's CEO.

[kdarling]

A big selling point for the iPhone was that the foundations are set for wonderful capabilities in software. This means jack if it's going to be updated every year! It makes it no different from any other phone in that regard.

That's why you should also buy according to what the hardware is. If the choice was:

1) iPhone hardware as-is.

2) Another phone with 3G, GPS, expandable memory and battery, etc.

Then while (1) can have JUST its software updated, (2) can do that also PLUS it has the potential to do far more in software and hardware.

Phone (2) will have a longer useful life, because it can be made to act like (1) but go further.

Of course, there are a lot of people here who update phones once or more a year. Probably a very bad idea to listen to them for advice on a longterm purchase :rolleyes:

[lordgaino]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... yesterday i joined this forum and had lots of fun reading the news and views.... but today we are still going around in circles!!!!

Go and buy yourself an iphone since if you're on here talking about it then you obviously want one....and stop dithering.... its a great bit of kit, if you deconstruct everything down to the last detail then you never just get on and enjoy things for what they are..!!!

[TurboSC]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... yesterday i joined this forum and had lots of fun reading the news and views.... but today we are still going around in circles!!!!

Go and buy yourself an iphone since if you're on here talking about it then you obviously want one....and stop dithering.... its a great bit of kit, if you deconstruct everything down to the last detail then you never just get on and enjoy things for what they are..!!!

I agree. May is quite a time away, and it's still a rumor after all. I'd just enjoy it now and stop looking towards the next revision :)

[anti-microsoft]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... yesterday i joined this forum and had lots of fun reading the news and views.... but today we are still going around in circles!!!!

Go and buy yourself an iphone since if you're on here talking about it then you obviously want one....and stop dithering.... its a great bit of kit, if you deconstruct everything down to the last detail then you never just get on and enjoy things for what they are..!!!

No I don't want an iPhone! I'm going to buy me self an iTouch soon!

[49erPress]

i got the iphone about a week ago and love it. that said, i'm taking it back. its great, but 3g and improved phone quality is worth waiting for. there is no way i can afford two iphone's in one year. also, i could use more than 8 gigs. it is an amazing device, but it isn't perfect.

[vitasenza]

I would love to have a 3g iPhone when it comes out if I had 3g available anywhere near where I live/work. If At&t manages to bring 3g to Iowa then I would consider forking over the money for a new iPhone and giving the one I have now up for grabs (or just use it as a second "junker" phone :cool: )

Assuming apple gets over all the technical nonsense (battery life, temp, adding other cool stuff) and does release a 3g phone and they allow wifi itunes store to work over 3g then they would probably have and increase in sales from itunes from iPhone users who hear a song and want it but don't want to wait to go home and download it for free. That and possibly being able to download movies on the go would be cool.

[skeen]

i got the iphone about a week ago and love it. that said, i'm taking it back. its great, but 3g and improved phone quality is worth waiting for. there is no way i can afford two iphone's in one year. also, i could use more than 8 gigs. it is an amazing device, but it isn't perfect.

Baffled. Why did you buy it?