iMac: why did they discontinue the 17-incher?

[Cloudsurfer]

They just got one of those new aluminum iMacs at our local Media Markt (small town, not much demand for Apple computers). It was the 20" low end version, and like it's predecessor, I think it's way too big for the casual user. In fact, I didn't go for the 20-incher last year because it simply does not fit on my small desk.

17" is the perfect size for me; it's a small desktop computer with enough horsepower to play my favorite games. I love it. Why did Apple choose to drop it? Didn't they sell enough of those? I think a 17" aluminum model would look sweet.

[edesignuk]

Screens have got bigger and cheaper, most people will always take a bigger screen if given the choice and cost isn't an issue.

The 20" screens presumably hit a cost where it just wasn't worth the expense of producing 3 different sized cases and internals.

Sucks if you specifically like and wanted a 17", but for the vast vast amount of people, 20" is better than 17", and if it doesn't cost any more they'll take it.

[Prof.]

So when are we going to get a 30-incher for the same price? :p

[AlexisV]

20" is the perfect size really. I think you need to get bigger desk if the 20" doesn't fit! The iMac has a tiny footprint, so I don't quite understand how it doesn't fit!

[Tallest Skil]

He might have a boudoir-like computer desk (such as mine) that has a shelf or whatever above where the quote monitor unquote goes. Frigging beige boxes... A 24" iMac wouldn't fit in it, and we have all this worthless wasted space down where the tower is supposed to be. Not to mention a giant hole in the back where cords and ventilation are supposed to be. Oh well. I use that space for my Mac|Life and MacWorlds. :D

[jonswan]

I also wanted the 17 inch screen and was annoyed that they discontinued it. However, the 20 is wonderful, especially for looking at photos and watching films is like a home cinema. Yeah, I'd say go with a bigger table...

[craig1410]

I'd say the 17" market is well covered by a Mac Mini plus third party 17" display. As has been mentioned above, I would expect the wholesale price difference between 17" and 20" displays will be minimal and certainly not worth the cost of a re-engineering exercise. I would also expect that most folks would prefer to buy a 20" if there was only, say, $50 difference which would make it difficult to sell enough units to recover the extra design costs. In fact, it is almost conceivable that the 17" could have ended up costing more than the 20" model due to lower shipping volumes!

Craig.

[AlexisV]

He might have a boudoir-like computer desk (such as mine) that has a shelf or whatever above where the quote monitor unquote goes.

I hate those kind of desks, which is why I got a flat top one, in frosted white glass:

http://www.microwarehouse.co.uk/products/PC707713-01.jpg

[Cloudsurfer]

It's not really a desk but a terminal table, with room for only one pc. A 20" screen would be too wide, there would be no room left for my external speakers. My desk isn't very deep either, so I'm very close to the screen when I'm typing. I'd have to turn my head to view the entire screen with a 20", but the 17" screen is completely in view.

In other words, the 17" is perfect for me, and I'm glad I picked one up last year and didn't wait until the iMac revision.

[Leon Kowalski]

Why did Apple choose to drop it?
Speculation: Not enough space in a 17" version of the "slim" aluminum-and-glare cabinet.

...once again, form trumps function,

LK

[Mindflux]

Speculation: Not enough space in a 17" version of the "slim" aluminum-and-glare cabinet.

...once again, form trumps function,

LK

That.. ORRRRRRRRRR. Nearly all PC manufacturers give (standard) 19" or better screens with their systems these days.

I couldn't cope with a 17 after using my 19" WFP at work and my 24" iMac at home.

[CashGap]

Speculation: Not enough space in a 17" version of the "slim" aluminum-and-glare cabinet.

...once again, form trumps function,

LK

I can't follow the speculation... a 17" LCD panel, 3" smaller than a 20" LCD panel, would fit in a version of the 20" improved cabinet if it were ~~ 3" smaller...

No one ever likes to hear "The market has spoken and your niche was not heard", but that's most likely.

[Leon Kowalski]

I can't follow the speculation...
As you slim the cabinet down, the internal volume under the "dome" of the back cover shrinks.
At some point, there's no longer sufficient space for disk drives, fans, power supplies, etc.
Obviously, there's less space to begin with under a 17" dome than a 20" or 24" dome.

LK

[CashGap]

As you slim the cabinet down, the internal volume under the "dome" of the back cover shrinks.
At some point, there's no longer sufficient space for disk drives, fans, power supplies, etc.
Obviously, there's less space to begin with under a 17" dome than a 20" or 24" dome.

LK

LOL, OK. That one probably would have stumped the engineering team.

[Cloudsurfer]

As you slim the cabinet down, the internal volume under the "dome" of the back cover shrinks.
At some point, there's no longer sufficient space for disk drives, fans, power supplies, etc.
Obviously, there's less space to begin with under a 17" dome than a 20" or 24" dome.

LK

That sounds like a plausible explaination. If people are happy with 13" and 15", I can't see how they suddenly would hate 17" so much that Apple decides just to discontinue it.

[Prof.]

What I don't understand is...

If Apple can make an "All In One" design, why can't the other computer makers? (i.e. Dell, Toshiba, HP, Gateway)



sorry for the swear words:eek:

[Italchef]

What I don't understand is...

If Apple can make an "All In One" design, why can't the other computer makers? (i.e. Dell, Toshiba, HP, Gateway

Actually they have. This is the best one that I've seen. I still love my iMac but you have to love how easy it is to upgrade. What do you think?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=393210&highlight=cnn

[Techguy172]

Most people want bigger screens. Including me I think 20 is too small, For screens the bigger the better. If you look for a new computer it will most likely come with a 20" widescreen. Take dell for example most of their computers come with a 20" of bigger even on the cheaper ones. This is just the way technology works.

[CashGap]

Most people want bigger screens. Including me I think 20 is too small, For screens the bigger the better. If you look for a new computer it will most likely come with a 20" widescreen. Take dell for example most of their computers come with a 20" of bigger even on the cheaper ones. This is just the way technology works.


Yep.

Apple did the math. 17" LCD $14 less at manufacturing level than 20", with $0 additional manufacturing savings. Tooling for a third case design, $X00,000. 17" unit sales are cannibalized from 20", $150 per unit less revenue every time you sell a 17" and could have sold a 20". Gains... MAYBE an additional 1 or 2% of unit sales.

Equals = non-starter.

Or it could be that the engineers who designed the 15" white iMac and the 17" MBP were abducted by aliens, and the challenge of putting a 17" display in an aluminum case was more then the 20"/24" team could handle!

[gorby]

After owning a 24", can't imagine going smaller again!

I fear I might eventually splurge on the inevitable 30" iMac

[bobriot]

The answer to a smaller screen is to put the imac under the desk and then buy a 15" or 17" screen and use the video out on the imac to run it. I've managed to downsize to an old tobacco sunburst IBM 10" CRT while my ugly 24" Alu iMac is hidden out of the way.

[Leon Kowalski]

Or it could be that the engineers who designed the 15" white iMac and the 17" MBP
were abducted by aliens, and the challenge of putting a 17" display in an aluminum
case was more then the 20"/24" team could handle!
The G5 white iMacs were rectangular boxes -- no "dome" involved -- so, the maximum
component height at any position behind the screen was constant and totally independent
of screen size.

...maybe the aliens can show 'em how to stuff a 25mm x 3.5" HD into a 26mm MBP,

LK

[RevToTheRedline]

After owning a 24", can't imagine going smaller again!

I fear I might eventually splurge on the inevitable 30" iMac

I would never do this otherwise, but if Apple dropped a 30" iMac within the next year, I'd buy it.

That would be shweeeeet

[Prof.]

I would never do this otherwise, but if Apple dropped a 30" iMac within the next year, I'd buy it.

That would be shweeeeet
Prolly in the next 5 years.

[Techguy172]

A thirty Will happen eventually not for a while though.

[CashGap]

I would never do this otherwise, but if Apple dropped a 30" iMac within the next year, I'd buy it.

That would be shweeeeet

I've been thinking the same thing... but it I'd use it more as a "media center" than a "real" computer.


"The G5 white iMacs were rectangular boxes -- no "dome" involved -- so, the maximum
component height at any position behind the screen was constant and totally independent
of screen size."

Yeah, I get that... with the engineering "challenge" so easily solved (1/4" deeper dome all over) and the economic challenge (would cost Apple the same as a 20 and sell for a lot less) so obvious, I find it hard to believe that the engineers threw down their micrometers in disgust, exclaiming "It can't be done! May the world forgive us!".