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Nov 30, 2007, 10:41 AM
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macFanDave
Nov 30, 2007, 01:13 PM
I love it and it does a great job for me, so imagine my glee at hearing about the Windows version so I could use it at work, too.

I tried the first beta that came out and the latest release. Both times my reaction was: what is this? It looks and behaves nothing like the Mac version. And both times, I removed it immediately.

Safari for Windows has been one of the biggest WTF's I've ever experienced -- twice.

walnuts
Nov 30, 2007, 04:20 PM
I'm a mac user that has to use windows at work. I would agree that safari up until 3.03 was too unreliable to use as a main browser. With 3.04 though, there was a huge improvement. I now use it as my main browser. While it isn't as feature-rich as firefox, I like the look. The look, probably most poingant with the different font rendering, provides a brief escape into a more mac-like place in this dreary windows world.

Strangely enough though, I dont use Safari on my mac. I use camino- its got the mac look and feel, enough features to get me by and it is blazingly fast.

speakerwizard
Nov 30, 2007, 04:54 PM
not an enigma really

1. iphone dev
2. income from google search
3. helps ease windows users into mac apps making switching easier
4. helps web compatability for the mac
5. probably will be packaged with itunes/quicktime and anything that losssens micosofts grip on the world helps.

photobiker
Nov 30, 2007, 06:10 PM
It’s not just about Safari, there is WebKit too. It is the only HTML rendering engine that is open-source, cross-platform, compatible with existing servers, standard-compliant, fast and simple to embed. Besides, from a programmer’s standpoint, it’s a pleasure to use.

Firefox might be a superior browser but Mozilla doesn’t have a real embedding solution yet, and it will probably not come before 18 months. Apple has a real opportunity here to prevent Safari from being just the “Mac browser” or the “iPhone browser”. Already Google chose WebKit for its Android platform. Other developers will probably follow.

mduser63
Dec 1, 2007, 06:49 PM
I've been using Safari for Windows since the day it came out as my main browser on my work computer. I agree that 3.0.4 was a nice release that fixed bugs (including one I reported on day 1 when 3.0.0 came out), but it was certainly usable before that. I use it because I honestly like the Safari interface better than Firefox, and I don't use or care about Firefox extensions.

shadowfax
Dec 2, 2007, 02:26 AM
I downloaded the original beta and the second one. I wasn't overly impressed. It seemed pretty cool and all, but Firefox seemed nicer at the time. On a whim I got the latest one tonight. Wow, it's so much faster than it was, and so much faster than firefox. That's pretty awesome. It's a lot stabler too. I am glad to see they seem reasonably committed to making it a decent experience on Windows.

albusseverus
Dec 2, 2007, 07:00 AM
Safari renders, prints, copies & pastes better than Firefox on both platforms - and that's what's most important for me.

Firefox is a good solid app, but it renders poorly and is worse than useless in that regard. In times past on the Mac, I'd find a site that didn't like Safari and Firefox would get me out of a hole, but those days disappeared in the later betas of Safari 3.

Only time I use Windows these days is helping my Dad out. I set him up with Firefox in the first place and he still uses it. Frequently he has problems printing pages, so I print them in Safari for him, with much better results.

But Safari on Windows (XP in this case) isn't there yet for everyday use. The menus are too small, even on 800x600 and quite useless for users older than 75, for example. Hasn't been stable enough to hand over to my Dad for full time use, so it's a fix-up tool at the moment. The whole look of it is dreadful, too dark a grey and everything.

When's the Beta programme over anyway ???

That's my world and why I couldn't live without Safari - even on Windows.

aarond12
Dec 9, 2007, 12:42 PM
I've been using Safari for Windows since the day it came out as my main browser on my work computer.
I wish I could say the same thing. At my job, they have a proxy server for the Internet that requires a username and password.

Safari 3.0.0 crashed when the proxy server asked for authorization. Safari 3.0.1 - 3.0.3 works with the proxy but crashes all the rest of the time. Safari 3.0.4 broke the proxy support and crashes like 3.0.0 when authorizing.

Apple needs to do some more QC on these "beta" releases. They're giving Windows users the idea that Apple software sucks. They already have enough to b*tch about with QuickTime and iTunes for Windows. Don't give 'em any more fodder with a buggy browser too.

-Aaron-

Techguy172
Dec 9, 2007, 03:48 PM
I was using safari on windows when it first came out to the time i got my mac and now i'm using safari on the mac. When it first came out i was skeptical because it had a lot of flaws but towards the end it was just fine.