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xodonniedarko
Dec 1, 2007, 01:07 AM
Are skinny girls as over-rated as I think they are?

It's true - skinny legs, perfect curves, flat stomachs, nice breasts - they are attractive. Girls are dying (literally) to be thin, because society and the media has told them that it's the way they should be. I don't agree. While it is definitely important to be in shape, I don't being a stick is necessary. Everyone has their own body, but girls aren't always happy, because they think they have to be hollywood quality to be admired. Is this true?

I want to know how YOU PERSONALLY prefer your woman's body to be.
Or how is the woman you have?

G5Unit
Dec 1, 2007, 01:14 AM
People tend to be to absolute, they are either a stick or fat. Most girls in my school that are in the middle ground are only that way because they can do nothing about it.

The thing is I feel as if people are never satisfied enough.


My preference? I am both attracted towards skinny(not stick) and normal+.




From a 15 year old.

twoodcc
Dec 1, 2007, 01:21 AM
i personally like mine thin

iTeen
Dec 1, 2007, 01:29 AM
I LOVE skinny chicks:eek:...from a 16 year old teen boy
However...anorexia is a very horrible thing. I don't see why girls go that hardcore for whatever silly reason they have.:(
iTeen

shecky
Dec 1, 2007, 01:32 AM
i like women who look feminine and sexy. pretty much every model on Project Runway looks like a 12 year old boy to me. i like a woman to have the right curves in the right places; not fat, not skinny. just sexy.

just like my girlfriend :)

this is totally unattractive:
http://realitytv.about.com/library/images/tyra1.jpg

Leareth
Dec 1, 2007, 01:37 AM
To be themselves and stop trying to look like the cookie cutter mold of beauty
the fashion magazines tell them to be.

Being able to count ribs and see pelvic bones is not pretty no matter who.


Guys with nice muscles and a six pack may be nice eye candy but I do not find every male who looks like that attractive.

Malfoy
Dec 1, 2007, 01:52 AM
She doesn't have to be a stick, but she has to be thin. Yes there is a difference but fat girls like to argue there isn't because they're fat.:mad: I manage to be thin, so can you. If you can't, then well, that's life. If everyone could be super models, supermodels wouldn't be super. :(

p.s. Oh yea and BBW does NOT exist. whoever came up with it should be shot twice.

QuarterSwede
Dec 1, 2007, 01:58 AM
i like women who look feminine and sexy. pretty much every model on Project Runway looks like a 12 year old boy to me. i like a woman to have the right curves in the right places; not fat, not skinny. just sexy.

just like my girlfriend :)

this is totally unattractive
I completely agree. Really turns me off.

Their personality has a lot more to do with it anyway.

JNB
Dec 1, 2007, 02:04 AM
Real Women Have Curves.

Daveman Deluxe
Dec 1, 2007, 02:05 AM
I don't think that I have a preference, really. I had a girlfriend last year who was on the heavy-ish side, but she kept herself in good shape—jogging, sports, etc. She's even lost a bunch of weight since we were together, but she still doesn't look skinny by any stretch of the imagination. One thing that I've noticed is that some women who are in good shape just plain look a bit larger. I may be wrong, but I suspect that this is because women don't build muscle tone the same way that men do, so women who have more muscle don't really look "cut".

One thing that often gets lost on people is that the number of fat cells that you have when you're a teen is how many fat cells you'll have for the rest of your life. Now, you still have a degree of control because your eating and exercise habits will dictate how much fat is in those fat cells, but even empty fat cells take up a certain amount of space and there's no way around it. I'll probably always have a bit of a pudge because when I was in middle school I wasn't very active. Even when I lifted and ran in high school, I never did get rid of it, though I certainly did lose an inch or two around the middle. I quit worrying about it awhile ago; I do still wish that my pecs were a little bigger so that I didn't cut such an odd figure in a t-shirt—I haven't got much fat on my arms, legs, etc. but I have a fair bit around my middle, which looks kind of odd to me.

The girl I've been seeing lately is pretty thin, but certainly not overly so. She played sports in high school, walks around most places, runs and plays sports a bit, etc. She's thin in a good way. And DAMN does she have great shoulders... kind of an odd thing to fixate on, but there you have it. :p I have a couple of pictures of her in a dress that I mostly keep around because of the shoulders.

I agree that most people have a particular "body" that suits them best. My ex wouldn't look good at all if she were skinny, and vice-versa with the current lady. A lot of it is about learning to enjoy less calorically dense foods. I lost fifteen pounds last summer just by replacing some of my high-calorie snacks (crackers, starchy foods, etc.) with fruit. I ate the same volume and wasn't hungry, but the foods I ate had fewer calories. In general, I only treat myself to a snack of something like cheese and crackers if a) I actually AM hungry; and b) I have already had a couple of fruit and a salad or something that day.

Leareth
Dec 1, 2007, 02:08 AM
p.s. Oh yea and BBW does NOT exist. whoever came up with it should be shot twice.

Ummm done any reading of history or looked at art lately?

Terms like voluptuous, zaftig and Rubenesque ring a bell?

You know that thin being attractive is a fairly recent phenomenon?
And in many places in the modern world skinny women are not considered attractive.

Malfoy
Dec 1, 2007, 02:14 AM
Ummm done any reading of history or looked at art lately?

Terms like voluptuous, zaftig and Rubenesque ring a bell?

You know that thin being attractive is a fairly recent phenomenon?
And in many places in the modern world skinny women are not considered attractive.

Maybe we have diff definitions of what BBW means and the people who use it to describe themselves. Monica belucci is described by some as voluptuous. She's definitely has the curves. Kate Winslet describes herself as the same. I think she's pretty hot. Rachel Ray, also a hottie isn't a BBW by any means. Take a browse on craigs list and take a look at who describes themselves as BBW and then tell me if we are on the same page.

GoCubsGo
Dec 1, 2007, 02:22 AM
Speaking as a woman I'd say that it'd be nice to be in shape and if being in shape I am also skinny then sure why the hell not. Where I come from it's generally more acceptable to be skinny. I personally don't bust my ass to be that way though. And I can say with a fair level of confidence that the ratio of men who prefer a bigger woman over a smaller woman is severely disproportionate. Men and people in general see fat first. I don't blame them at all and I'm not really into male bashing. It's just a fact really. I know there are men willing to be with large women, some won't even admit it.

For me personally, the way I see it is so long as I can live with being alone then worrying about what I look like is pointless. In other words, I'm quite content with being unattractive. /shrug

I've always said I wouldn't trade in fat for bitchy. Not saying skinny girls are bitchy (that is far from the case) but let's face it, if you're hot you can get away with being a complete ****ing whore way more than any fat girl. In the words of a boy I knew in school, "I can deal with her being a needy money grubbing bitch if she just keeps that rockin' body!"

It's all very sad, but seriously, it's been going on for ages. I can't see anything really changing. Just be happy with who you are and don't kill yourself being something you're not. "He" won't love you more if you look like a cover model.

redAPPLE
Dec 1, 2007, 02:24 AM
if i consider this scale: 1-skinny and 10-big, a 3 would be my type of gal.

how do i "describe" skinny? anorexic gals. big? well, i think you can imagine what i think is big.

it is just this way, i got big friends and they tend to be less healthier. prone to injuries and such. and if i could choose, i'd rather have a "skinny" gal by my side, because, i know i could do sports with her and be more active.

so there you have it.

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 1, 2007, 02:44 AM
Mmmm. Women. How do I prefer them? I can't remember. :o

motulist
Dec 1, 2007, 02:53 AM
I'm a very unusual guy, so I'd bet my opinion isn't the majority opinion. But to me, a female's attractiveness is completely unrelated to how fat or skinny she is. There are many overweight women who I find very sexually attractive, and there are many overweight women who I find very sexually UNattractive. And vice versa, many skinny girls are attractive and many are not.

It's hard for me to even identify what my subconscious uses as criteria for a woman's attractiveness, but there's definitely something that makes me attracted to one woman and not attracted to another. I think it's based on things like the shape of the curves rather than if those curves are big or little. Or something like that.

Dagless
Dec 1, 2007, 03:20 AM
My Carolines quite slim :) she's a size 8 dress (right, I know nothing about this sort of thing so I'm sorry if I say something silly :D) and 7 stone. Slim but developing muscles through karate, climbing and hiking.

I don't mind any size so long as they pursued a very active lifestyle.

119576
Dec 1, 2007, 03:22 AM
I tend to prefer a size 8/10. Good curves are always nice, too.

motulist
Dec 1, 2007, 03:26 AM
the number of fat cells that you have when you're a teen is how many fat cells you'll have for the rest of your life.

No, that's not true, I think you're confusing things a bit.

As I understand it, fat cells are like empty bags that get filled up with fat molecules (lipids) to store energy when you're consuming more food energy than you're metabolism is burning up. Now, when the amount of food energy trying to be saved as fat molecules exceeds the number of fat cells where they can be stored, then the body creates new fat cells to house them. The creation of new fat cells can happen at any age throughout your life (not just in your teens), but once created, fat cells will stay as part of your body for the rest of your life. When stored fat molecules are required for energy to run the body they are removed from the fat cell "bags" where they were stored, and you start to get skinnier. But those empty fat cell "bags" that have the potential to quickly and easily store excess food energy as fat will stay in your body forever. (or until you have them liposuctioned out ;) )

solvs
Dec 1, 2007, 03:29 AM
Speaking as a woman I'd say that it'd be nice to be in shape and if being in shape I am also skinny then sure why the hell not.
There's a difference between healthy skinny and being an anorexic stick. ;)

Don't have a physical type. Little chubby, curvy, thinish. Though I don't want them to be unhealthy fat, but also don't want them to be too brittle to touch. As long as it's not an extreme, like grossly obese or big fake breasts or size negative 2, I'm happy with pretty much anything (not that I'm desperate or anything). Besides, it's mainly all about personality.

Apparently, they also have to be crazy, but that's for another thread.

klymr
Dec 1, 2007, 03:30 AM
I prefer mine rather thin, but that's because I'm a VERY skinny guy myself. At 6'0" and 130 lbs, I'd rather not have a girl bigger than I am. I eat just as much as the next guy, but I can't seem to gain weight. I should start drinking protein drinks again to see if that helps. Hmm....

motulist
Dec 1, 2007, 04:09 AM
Listen up big girls!

Although I'm attracted to many of you, I'll tell you why I haven't dated many girls who are larger than just 'curvy.'

Sure, when girls are really hot in the classical sense, they often have the propensity to develop poor personalities such as being demanding or bitchy, because they grew up expecting to get good treatment regardless of how they act. HOWEVER, fat girls have a strong propensity to develop personality traits that are equally unattractive, just in a different way. Many big girls have such major body issues within their own mind that it causes male suitors to be really put off. For instance, I'll list a few of the big personality problems large girls usually have that are unattractive.

Many big girls believe so strongly that no guy could find them attractive that it leads the girls to go REALLY slow on the physical front because she's ashamed of her bodies. Listen up girls, we've seen big girl porn, we have a pretty reasonable idea of what you look like naked. It's no secret that big girls have rolls of fat and even some stretch marks. Us guys know what we're attracted to, and if we're flirting with you then that means by default that we are already attracted to your body - so just accept it as fact and act that way. So often when I've been flirting with big girls they act all shy and make you put in a tremendous amount of work to make them feel comfortable and reassure them that you really do find them attractive, etc. That's a huge needy-girl pain in the butt! If I make flirty jokes with you and stare at you, just enjoy it and play along! And when I go to take off your shirt in a reasonable time frame, don't stop me and say "not yet."

Screw that! There are plenty of attractive girls around, and if you're gonna need constant reassurance and make me wait an extra long time to get some action from you, then I'm just gonna forget about you and move on to another girl who won't give me such a hard time.

And then if I do finally get her naked and we're fooling around and I have an erection, often times the big girl is STILL worried that she's not attractive and so will act all inhibited and worry about the lighting being right and worrying about being in certain positions because she thinks she'll look gross, or that she'll hurt me when we're getting busy. Bleah, nothing is more unattractive than a girl constantly needing reassurance and not getting loose, wild, uninhibited, and in the moment - which is what sex is all about!

Anyway, I could go on, but this is already a huge thread, so I'll just summarize my message here.

Listen up big girls, the reason why many of you find yourselves without a man in your life isn't because of how all men view your body, it's because of how YOU act because of how YOU think about your body. If you improve the way you regard your body it'll change your attitude and make you much more attractive to many men. And if you can't manage to change the way you think about your body for now, then just fake it to begin with. Use your imagination and act the way you think a woman who believes she has an attractive body would act. Even if you don't believe it inside yourself to begin with, if you change your attitude then soon you'll have much more success with men, and once you have enough success with them you'll start to believe that you really are attractive, and then your new good attitude will become permanent! This is a well known self behavior modification technique, otherwise known as "fake it till ya make it."


:)

howard
Dec 1, 2007, 05:09 AM
I think there is a place for everyone... why should my opinions matter to you?

Blue Velvet
Dec 1, 2007, 05:15 AM
Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat? Assuming they have all sorts of psychological issues if they're under or overweight. This sort of pigeon-holing and objectification is just ugly.

Lau
Dec 1, 2007, 05:19 AM
Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat? Assuming they have all sorts of psychological issues if they're under or overweight. This sort of pigeon-holing and objectification is just ugly.

I thought this thread was fascinating – a nice disturbing look at how people really think.

Continue boys (boys being the operative word), interesting stuff.

Blue Velvet
Dec 1, 2007, 05:23 AM
I thought this thread was fascinating – a nice disturbing look at how people really think.


OK, it's fascinatingly disturbing then. Personally, I like trying to be thinner because at 44, my back and joints don't like it when I scoff too much grub, and my LDL levels stay under control. :D

No-one would say I'm skinny though.

skunk
Dec 1, 2007, 05:25 AM
Or how is the woman you have?I would have thought sick to death of being owned and objectified.

No-one would say I'm skinny though.Rubens would.

solvs
Dec 1, 2007, 05:39 AM
Rubens would.
Georgie gal, you're not fat, you're pleasantly plump. :p

Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat?
I thought the thread was actually about how despite some girls thinking ultra skinny to the point of the unhealthy is attractive, most of the time it isn't, but some people still may have body type preferences in a mate.

But to answer the original question:

I want to know how YOU PERSONALLY prefer your woman's body to be.
Pressed against me, thanks. :D

Kamera RAWr
Dec 1, 2007, 05:52 AM
I LOVE skinny:eek:...from a 16 year old teen boy
However...anorexia is a very horrible thing. I don't see why girls go that hardcore for whatever silly reason they have.:(
iTeen

Just remember, body image is usually not the root cause of anorexia

Ajax.
Dec 1, 2007, 05:59 AM
Really skinny girls are a complete turn off for me, just as much as really big girls are, i don't mind if a girl has some weight on her, just not too much, i want her to be healthy :)

Sayewhat
Dec 1, 2007, 07:54 AM
I LOVE skinny:eek:...from a 16 year old teen boy

You love the skinny from a 16 year old boy? Whoo. I thought the thread was about chicks. :D

twoodcc
Dec 1, 2007, 10:06 AM
big girls need lovin' too.........just not from me :p

but seriously, being fat tells me that you're lazy and that you don't take care of yourself.

psychofreak
Dec 1, 2007, 10:12 AM
Really skinny girls are a complete turn off for me, just as much as really big girls are, i don't mind if a girl has some weight on her, just not too much, i want her to be healthy :)

Same here...no stick insects, no massive people!

xodonniedarko
Dec 1, 2007, 10:36 AM
Wow, i wasn't expecting so much feedback - so fast!

I just started this because I was curious. I know a lot of girls who are thin, but quite... plumpy. But really, most of the girls I know that way are actually extremely active in sports and such. And it's true - sometimes really active girls just end up being thicker than others. It's the way they build muscle.

I actually never worry about my body because I'm quite thin. (I can post a picture, whatever, it doesn't matter.) But I'm also very short, so I kind of have a little gut, and my thighs are a little thicker than I'd like them to be. But I work out daily, and I've shaped up a lot in the last 6 months and I'm really quite proud of myself.

I do believe if you're over-weight to a really noticeable weight, you're just eating too much. Not just too much, but the wrong foods, and too little exercise. It's not very hard to maintain your weight. It's called quit the fast food, lay off the ice cream, grab some weights and start walking
(haha that's what I had to do!).

But most large (WOMEN) tend to eat because it's a pure and simple way of dealing with their problems. It's the same as drinking or smoking, but it's simply shoving food into your mouth.

AND THANK YOU motulist.
Your post was quite profound.



edit: I posted something on my myspace blog about how I was so fed up with the world telling us how to be 'beautiful'. If you want me to post it, I can.

GoCubsGo
Dec 1, 2007, 11:06 AM
big girls need lovin' too.........just not from me :p

but seriously, being fat tells me that you're lazy and that you don't take care of yourself.

Well if we're going to start with the generalizations of fat people then people who can make such comments are uneducated and quite possibly borderline mentally retarded. :) It works both ways really.

xUKHCx
Dec 1, 2007, 11:10 AM
edit: I posted something on my myspace blog about how I was so fed up with the world telling us how to be 'beautiful'. If you want me to post it, I can.

You might want to look at the Dove Onslaught (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaH4y6ZjSfE&feature=related) advert.

ntrigue
Dec 1, 2007, 11:42 AM
I'm a triathlete. I work hard to excel in what I do. I look for that in females. They must be fit and health conscious. I had 5'9" 170lb girlfriend that satisfied the above. In general though, I gravitate to the 115-135lb range.

Just emphasize that the girl cares about her health and wellness. More than anything is the mental wellness, which many too skinny girls lack in a big way!

Dagless
Dec 1, 2007, 11:45 AM
There's a difference between healthy skinny and being an anorexic stick. ;)

Absolutely. I find healthy skinny attractive whereas anorexic skinny is just, well like being overweight it's just not good for you.

Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat? Assuming they have all sorts of psychological issues if they're under or overweight. This sort of pigeon-holing and objectification is just ugly.

Go ahead! Thanks to women objectifying men at my college (as well as competition with other males) I wouldn't have the body I do now. It's done more than keep me in shape, but taught me about pushing and respecting my physical limits, discipline and all that jazz. What started off as something immature has become a positive lifestyle for me. All because I was told I was ugly at school full of, um, man-eaters.

but seriously, being fat tells me that you're lazy and that you don't take care of yourself.

My culture told me that too. Growing up in a family full of runners made me only see active slim people. As I've got older I know it's not always the case. I know perfectly lazy people who are underweight!

Rhosfelt
Dec 1, 2007, 11:53 AM
I do like my girls skinny, but they don't have to be...in other words I am just attracted to my own body type :P 6'0" 135lbs.. however I like to see her eat. My g/f now is a vegetarian and to be it seems like she doesn't eat so I cook big meals for her and make sure she is full :)

However I have been attracted to girls that are more curved than others just nothing that could out weight me...that thought scares me >_<

119576
Dec 1, 2007, 11:56 AM
I do like my girls skinny, but they don't have to be...in other words I am just attracted to my own body type :P 6'0" 135lbs.. however I like to see her eat. My g/f now is a vegetarian and to be it seems like she doesn't eat so I cook big meals for her and make sure she is full :)

However I have been attracted to girls that are more curved than others just nothing that could out weight me...that thought scares me >_<

At 135lbs, it wouldn't be hard to outweigh you!

[edit] the girls I seem to be interested in are all around 110/115lbs, but the curves are just right.

Rhosfelt
Dec 1, 2007, 11:58 AM
At 135lbs, it wouldn't be hard to outweigh you!

I went to college and lost 10-15lbs :(so we'll just go with if I can't lift her I won't date her ;)

Mindflux
Dec 1, 2007, 12:07 PM
http://pandoraatl.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/skinnymodel1.jpg

you love it.

119576
Dec 1, 2007, 12:11 PM
I went to college and lost 10-15lbs :(so we'll just go with if I can't lift her I won't date her ;)

Makes sense I guess.

<snip>
you love it.

The way her hair falls makes it look like she has a hairy back.

Stampyhead
Dec 1, 2007, 12:13 PM
I don't care that much about a girl's body type. I find intelligence, good self esteem, and a kind heart to be much more attractive than a skinny body.

119576
Dec 1, 2007, 12:15 PM
I don't care that much about a girl's body type. I find intelligence, good self esteem, and a kind heart to be much more attractive than a skinny body.

Ditto that, but possibly on a subconscious level, I have a body-type preference; because as I've said, all the girls I tend to be interested in have similar body types.

obeygiant
Dec 1, 2007, 12:15 PM
Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat?

Please do. That would be fun read.


Tall, short, thick or thin, women, to me, can always be beautiful. As long as they're comfortable in their skin and embrace their pure feminine side its very sexy. you go girl! :D

twoodcc
Dec 1, 2007, 12:16 PM
Well if we're going to start with the generalizations of fat people then people who can make such comments are uneducated and quite possibly borderline mentally retarded. :) It works both ways really.

it may seem like a generalization, but it's true. clearly, some fat people are more lazy than others, or some take care of themselves better than others. i mean, what makes them "fat" in the first place?

and i know there are tons of skinny people that are lazy as well. you can sometimes tell just by looking at them. i call them "fat skinny people"

notsofatjames
Dec 1, 2007, 12:16 PM
My g/f now is a vegetarian and to be it seems like she doesn't eat so I cook big meals for her and make sure she is full :)


My girlfriend has also become a vegetarian about a year ago, but her weight hardly changed at all. She's sort of averagely skinny, just kind of normal. Being stick thin (much like the picture earlier in the tread) is quite revolting.

Lots of skinny people can be lazy (as mentioned above). They're too lazy to eat! I think theres not a whole lot you can do to dramatically change your body shape. When your growing up is the most critical time, and after that, people just tend to get bigger as they grow older. Obviously you can change your weight in a relatively small way, but your a big girl/guy, the most extreme diet isnt going to make you stick thin ever again.

GoCubsGo
Dec 1, 2007, 12:27 PM
it may seem like a generalization, but it's true. clearly, some fat people are more lazy than others, or some take care of themselves better than others. i mean, what makes them "fat" in the first place?

and i know there are tons of skinny people that are lazy as well. you can sometimes tell just by looking at them. i call them "fat skinny people"

That's just...well, sad! If they don't move then they're fat, whether their overweight or underweight so long as we can call them all fat. I'm going to have to defer to my last post as it appears to be quite accurate. ;)

Cleverboy
Dec 1, 2007, 12:35 PM
I thought this thread was fascinating – a nice disturbing look at how people really think. Continue boys (boys being the operative word), interesting stuff.So, I suppose "real" men or women do not have opinion about the shapes and forms they're attracted to and why, and that if they did... these reasons do not sound off-putting when spoken aloud. Meh. I'm disgusted by the attittude that frank conversations on otherwise valid topics are somehow "beneath" truly "mature" people, yet the "mature" actively read them anyway. When I watch "Sex in the City" or "The View", I don't find myself calling them "girls" and smiling with a self-righteous demeanor when the conversation gets personal. "Boys"? Well, it'd be interesting to hear your more enlightened perspective... :rolleyes:

Personally, I like all types of women. Skinny or fat generally doesn't come into play so much as personality and bearing. It's interesting that some women who seem at first "overweight" are more "rubenesque" than was apparent at first blush. The only women I'm less interested in, shape-wise, are the Amazons. You know, the tribe that seem cut from larger stock... the type that might be able to say... slap you with your own hand as many times as they please, despite your repeated protests. Who wear bigger shoes than you, stand taller or whose hand entirely covers your own. While I do favor petites, its only on much larger women that I find my interest waning. That said, always possible I've not met the exception.

Its funny that a good female friend of mine frequently comments how she can't stand short men. She found herself in a bit of a quandry that she thinks Prince is extremely hot, yet can't imagine a fantasy where she wouldn't laugh at him in person. She can be a bit rude like that.

~ CB

Lau
Dec 1, 2007, 12:58 PM
So, I suppose "real" men or women do not have opinion about the shapes and forms they're attracted to and why, and that if they did... these reasons do not sound off-putting when spoken aloud. Meh. I'm disgusted by the attittude that frank conversations on otherwise valid topics are somehow "beneath" truly "mature" people, yet the "mature" actively read them anyway. When I watch "Sex in the City" or "The View", I don't find myself calling them "girls" and smiling with a self-righteous demeanor when the conversation gets personal. "Boys"? Well, it'd be interesting to hear your more enlightened perspective... :rolleyes:

Blimey, hit a nerve much? I've got no problem with frank discussion, not at all. I've got no problem with your opinions stated above. There's certain types of people I'm more attracted to as well, and if you have a natural attraction to tall women, well, great. The difference is that you're not saying "and short women are just too lazy and stupid to grow taller and probably smoked when they were teenagers and stunted their growth".

The boys comment was more aimed at opinions like these (to take a couple of examples):

She doesn't have to be a stick, but she has to be thin. Yes there is a difference but fat girls like to argue there isn't because they're fat.:mad: I manage to be thin, so can you. If you can't, then well, that's life. If everyone could be super models, supermodels wouldn't be super. :(

p.s. Oh yea and BBW does NOT exist. whoever came up with it should be shot twice.

...but seriously, being fat tells me that you're lazy and that you don't take care of yourself.

which are pretty nasty, and also obviously come from youngish guys who might think differently about some things when they get into the real world (and maybe don't find it so easy to fight off the belly as they get older :p).

Yeah, sure, it was a bitchy comment, but maybe I was grumpy this morning :o, and I still stand by the fact they're not very nice comments to make. I was purposely trying to be patronising, I admit, which wasn't very pleasant of me, but comments like that do get my back up (whether they're said by men or women). Maybe it's because I'd never say something was unattractive, more that there's certain traits I'm naturally drawn to more than others. For me, they're more personality based than physical, but I guess I'm just a girl like that. ;) The people I have well and truly fancied the pants off over the years have been very, very, different looking. And discussions about this sort of thing is always fun, mature or intellectual or not. :D It's good to focus on the positives though, I always think.

And there's always the rogue out-of-the-blue one that knocks you for six, too, right? :o It would be a shame to miss that one because of something you've already decided isn't attractive.

Rhosfelt
Dec 1, 2007, 01:08 PM
My girlfriend has also become a vegetarian about a year ago, but her weight hardly changed at all. She's sort of averagely skinny, just kind of normal. Being stick thin (much like the picture earlier in the tread) is quite revolting.

Well she has been the same weight (and veggie) since i have known her, but when you are around her she like never eats, and she is one of those girls who is afraid to get fat x_X but I make her favorite foods all the time and when she is around I make sure she eats :P

Cleverboy
Dec 1, 2007, 01:24 PM
Blimey, hit a nerve much? I've got no problem with frank discussion, not at all. I've got no problem with your opinions stated above.Honestly, how you commented fed into a pet peeve. Sorry if I sounded harsh. It's not a nerve really, but I guess if I'm complaining about folks being intolerant of another opinion, I suppose I need a mirror, eh? :o

~ CB

Lau
Dec 1, 2007, 01:52 PM
Honestly, how you commented fed into a pet peeve. Sorry if I sounded harsh. It's not a nerve really, but I guess guess if I'm complaining about folks being intolerant of another opinion, I suppose I need a mirror, eh? :o

No worries, man. And sorry for offending you, it wasn't directed at everyone. Your comments are definitely in the reasonable (and interesting!) category.

MBHockey
Dec 1, 2007, 02:04 PM
Ok here is my thought, honestly (I apologize if this is insulting).

The girls I am attracted to are neither chubby nor ultra skinny. I'm not attracted to either body type. Ultra skinny girls just look sickly to me and I want to give them a big piece of bread. Chubby girls don't look sickly, but I find them just unattractive.

I like girls somewhere in between.

rdowns
Dec 1, 2007, 03:09 PM
When I watch "Sex in the City" or "The View"

I wouldn't go around mentioning that. :cool:

Rodimus Prime
Dec 1, 2007, 03:38 PM
For me it is a matter of health. A girl who is really over weight I do not find attractive but they are also unhealthy. And the same goes the other direction. It is all about being healthy.
I find a healthy woman very attractive. That means they are some one who cares about there body and health.

Iscariot
Dec 1, 2007, 04:04 PM
Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat? Assuming they have all sorts of psychological issues if they're under or overweight. This sort of pigeon-holing and objectification is just ugly.

In all fairness, the pressure on men to look a certain way has been mounting in recent years. You would be surprised how many of men are walking around feeling trapped in bodies that they hate, and see every day as a constant struggle to battle their weight and maintain their self-esteem.

QCassidy352
Dec 1, 2007, 04:18 PM
For me it is a matter of health. A girl who is really over weight I do not find attractive but they are also unhealthy. And the same goes the other direction. It is all about being healthy.

I agree with that.

Leareth
Dec 1, 2007, 04:19 PM
find it very strange that most people in the same comment will mention that they like skinny girls but do not like when they have issues abotu their appearance, amount/when they eat etc etc.

I absolutely hate is when I am out with my coworkers and the 'skinny' girls order no-fat no whip, sugar free caramel latter and chew on a rice cake - sure they can fit into size 6 jeans but that is about it , they do not have much energy, their skin hair and nails are dull and flaky and they are out of shape.

We get one life - enjoy it in moderation, be comfortable with who you are, and if another person is not happy with your physical appearance then find someone who is happy with you.

Rodimus Prime
Dec 1, 2007, 04:29 PM
find it very strange that most people in the same comment will mention that they like skinny girls but do not like when they have issues abotu their appearance, amount/when they eat etc etc.

I absolutely hate is when I am out with my coworkers and the 'skinny' girls order no-fat no whip, sugar free caramel latter and chew on a rice cake - sure they can fit into size 6 jeans but that is about it , they do not have much energy, their skin hair and nails are dull and flaky and they are out of shape.

We get one life - enjoy it in moderation, be comfortable with who you are, and if another person is not happy with your physical appearance then find someone who is happy with you.


add to it some of those girls are insane. My sister will complain about how she is about as heavy as me but she does it mostly just commenting on how light I am. She is fairly thin and the only fact that she not much lighter than me is she is all mussel. I am 156 and 6'4" and a male.

I like the moderation stuff. I try to eat healthy because I feel better when i do but that does not stop me from enjoying good food.

On a side note I find it annoying how many people today say they do not have time to work out and it is not fun. I find it is not hard to do excersise that is fun. I personally do not go to a gym or run. I mtn bike for fun and the personal fitness is a nice added bonus.

fatandlazy11
Dec 1, 2007, 04:29 PM
Gotta admit, I like girls who are a little heavier then average (Not 100 pounds, mind you)

letsgorangers
Dec 1, 2007, 04:30 PM
it may seem like a generalization, but it's true. clearly, some fat people are more lazy than others, or some take care of themselves better than others. i mean, what makes them "fat" in the first place?

and i know there are tons of skinny people that are lazy as well. you can sometimes tell just by looking at them. i call them "fat skinny people"

Oh yes, being lazy is the ONLY thing that causes one to become overweight. Grow up and get over yourself.

Applespider
Dec 1, 2007, 04:32 PM
I absolutely hate is when I am out with my coworkers and the 'skinny' girls order no-fat no whip, sugar free caramel latter and chew on a rice cake - sure they can fit into size 6 jeans but that is about it

But from what most of the guys above are saying - size 6 jeans do not equal skinny. I'm wearing US size 6 currently and I've never seen 115lbs since I became an adult. Admittedly, I have some muscle and big boobs but I'm nowhere near that weight at the moment - and no, I don't have the height excuse either.

they do not have much energy, their skin hair and nails are dull and flaky and they are out of shape.

That's what GHD's and fake nails are for. And with heels, dahling - who's going to know if you can run or not?

I'm curious as to what people think fat/chubby/normal is? Is it above a certain clothes size? Is it a weight? And how do you guys know your girlfriend's exact weight? Do you watch her on the scales or just believes what she tells you?

As for the fat=lazy assertion, there is a little truth to it for many people. I've been fat and I've been thin. When I was fat I sat around on my arse a lot more than I did when I was thin. There are a hell of a lot of excuses out there as to why people are fat (and I'm talking morbidly obese rather than those with a little muffin-top) and it takes hard work, time, willpower and effort to lose weight. Sure there are some who have thyroid conditions etc but there are many many people who could lose some weight if they put some effort in. Trouble is that most people try to lose it by restricting diet alone. You need to combine it with exercise to see lasting results.

abijnk
Dec 1, 2007, 04:33 PM
big girls need lovin' too.........just not from me :p

but seriously, being fat tells me that you're lazy and that you don't take care of yourself.

I am 20 years old, 5'5" and 244 lbs. I can't run a mile without stopping, I can't do 50 pushups, I can't do a lot of things that I *should* be able to do. But I do work out, try to eat right, take the stairs and not the elevator, etc etc. My grandmother was around 250, my mom is around 300, and I'm around 250. I was at 140 at one point in my life (sophomore or high school) but that was so far beyond healthy that I looked disgusting. Saying that I am lazy and don't take care of myself because I am fat has to be the most shallow viewpoint I have ever heard. I would really encourage you to think of reasons that I and the other women in my maternal lineage are overweight. Is it because we all just sit around eating potatoe chips? No, actually it isn't... Google thyroid, and get back to me.

Applespider
Dec 1, 2007, 04:38 PM
I absolutely hate is when I am out with my coworkers and the 'skinny' girls order no-fat no whip, sugar free caramel latter and chew on a rice cake

This reminded me of something else... Where I work in Chelsea (London), there lots of very skinny women. It's highly amusing when you go out to dinner and there's a group sitting next to you. It's like competitive sackcloth-wearing. The bread basket comes around and there are lots of wistful glances and shaken heads. If there's someone there who actually takes a piece, there's frowning and tutting.

I watched one group in the summer who sat and picked all the croutons out of their salad. :eek:

Cleverboy
Dec 1, 2007, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't go around mentioning that. :cool:Hey, sometimes I can't find the remote control... no, really! I wish my iPhone was a remote control... :: pout :: :D

~ CB

Rodimus Prime
Dec 1, 2007, 05:54 PM
I am 20 years old, 5'5" and 244 lbs. I can't run a mile without stopping, I can't do 50 pushups, I can't do a lot of things that I *should* be able to do. But I do work out, try to eat right, take the stairs and not the elevator, etc etc. My grandmother was around 250, my mom is around 300, and I'm around 250. I was at 140 at one point in my life (sophomore or high school) but that was so far beyond healthy that I looked disgusting. Saying that I am lazy and don't take care of myself because I am fat has to be the most shallow viewpoint I have ever heard. I would really encourage you to think of reasons that I and the other women in my maternal lineage are overweight. Is it because we all just sit around eating potatoe chips? No, actually it isn't... Google thyroid, and get back to me.



You are among the expectations to the rule on obese= lazy. To me over weight is one thing but obese is just unhealthy. Very and I mean VERY few people are obese and can be called healthy.



In the general cases obese=lazy. It normally means they do not try to take care of themselves. They eat unhealthy food and do not try to do anything extra to keep the weight off.


Problem with wieght is once you gain it. It is very hard to lose.

xodonniedarko
Dec 1, 2007, 06:01 PM
Size 6 isn't as small as you'd think it is.
It's actually a very acceptable size.
I think anywhere between 6-12 is a great size!

I'm actually a size 2/3... umm... but I'm also 16 years old, and 5'2''.
I really don't plan on gaining much weight as i grow older, because I don't think I'm going to grow any.

But today i saw a girl at the mall who was so skinny I felt sick. Her chest was bony, her arms were nothing, and her pants (which were probably size 0) were falling down. I pitied her.

solvs
Dec 1, 2007, 06:23 PM
you love it.
Ew. I like women. Not little boys. Icky.

I didn't notice the OP was a young girl, that makes it seem a lot less sexist and more like what I thought it was about, how being too skinny is not attractive.

koobcamuk
Dec 1, 2007, 06:45 PM
My girlfriend is quite skinny and I think she looks amazing:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6661/457v0281fz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I wonder if you lot think she's "too skinny".

xUKHCx
Dec 1, 2007, 06:47 PM
My girlfriend is quite skinny and I think she looks amazing:

I wonder if you lot think she's "too skinny".

Only one way to find out. ;)

koobcamuk
Dec 1, 2007, 06:48 PM
Only one way to find out. ;)

Have a gander... this is from a modelling shoot a few years ago... (above)...

119576
Dec 1, 2007, 06:51 PM
My girlfriend is quite skinny and I think she looks amazing:

She is quite slim (note: not skinny), but she's not of 'brick' build (to quote Trinny/Susannah/whoever said it)

Somebody's a very lucky man.

Well-toned, too.

koobcamuk
Dec 1, 2007, 06:54 PM
She is quite slim (note: not skinny), but she's not of 'brick' build (to quote Trinny/Susannah/whoever said it)

Somebody's a very lucky man.

Well-toned, too.

Thanks :)

Yes, I am lucky. She's playing crackdown on my Xbox 360 right now as I bypass activation for some O2 iPhones for ebay after a night out.

I am lucky and make the most of being so lucky... believe me :)

she also used to get bullied at school for being flat chested and a stick... so I really think it works both ways

Kashchei
Dec 1, 2007, 07:00 PM
I'm a very unusual guy, so I'd bet my opinion isn't the majority opinion. But to me, a female's attractiveness is completely unrelated to how fat or skinny she is. There are many overweight women who I find very sexually attractive, and there are many overweight women who I find very sexually UNattractive. And vice versa, many skinny girls are attractive and many are not.

I second motulist's opinion whole-heartedly. Sexiness for me is not entirely related to physical appearance. "Super Models" leave me cold, for the most part, since they project an air of bitchiness that I find repulsive. They may be perfect physical specimens, at least for the majority of men, but to me they seem incredibly high maintenance and superficial. I have been known to think with my little head, but fortunately, I don't do this exclusively (I'm no longer a teenage boy).

decksnap
Dec 1, 2007, 07:13 PM
I'm curious as to what people think fat/chubby/normal is? Is it above a certain clothes size? Is it a weight? And how do you guys know your girlfriend's exact weight? Do you watch her on the scales or just believes what she tells you?


With the tightness of womens clothes these days, I can guess a girls weight to within about five pounds.

I am attracted to tall and thin, but it is only nature. I have no choice.

2nyRiggz
Dec 1, 2007, 07:33 PM
I love woman with curves...give me something to hold on to...beautiful I say.



Bless

Dagless
Dec 1, 2007, 07:34 PM
she also used to get bullied at school for being flat chested and a stick... so I really think it works both ways

Same here mate, my girlfriend was bullied (way before we met) and it really hit her self-esteem. Went through school thinking she was ugly. When I asked her out she thought I was joking... it's terrible what bullying can do to a person.

Adokimus
Dec 1, 2007, 07:37 PM
My girlfriend is quite skinny and I think she looks amazing...

what are you doing on your computer?

LethalWolfe
Dec 1, 2007, 07:37 PM
I wonder if you lot think she's "too skinny".

Attractive, borderline too-thin (hard to tell in that pic), but not my type anyway.

Body type and looks doesn't matter to me as much as attitude. A girl w/an "average" face/body, a confident walk, and a mohawk will always turn my head faster than a a more "super model" looking chic.


Lethal

koobcamuk
Dec 1, 2007, 07:40 PM
what are you doing on your computer?

bypassing activation on iphones... about to go to bed with her now... she is done on the xbox... :) g'night!

ntrigue
Dec 1, 2007, 07:58 PM
I knew it was only a matter of time til we got a thyroid argument :/

On the same token I haven't had relationships with smokers. Its all about health and I have loosened my standards after dating an anorexic.

Stampyhead
Dec 1, 2007, 10:57 PM
My girlfriend is quite skinny and I think she looks amazing:

She's very beautiful. She's skinny, but not unnaturally so. It fits her.

maestro55
Dec 1, 2007, 11:30 PM
I am a big guy (6'3/280lbs) and I enjoy eating and being a complete geek I don't work out. I understand the health risks that I am taking and I also understand that by not meeting what can be seen as a social norm I am putting myself in a poor situation, but frankly I am happy. If I was working out everyday and not eating the foods I enjoyed eating and not being myself I wouldn't be happy.

With that said, when it comes to women I care far more about their personality, ideology, and who they are deep down as a person than what they weigh or how much or how little fat is on their body. Mind you though that there has to be physical attraction and I have seen larger women to the extreme and rather skinny girls to the extreme that I didn't find attractive. I have dated three chicks (four if you count my senior prom) and neither of them were small girls and while I regret dating them now it had nothing to do with their size but because of what I discovered about them.

xodonniedarko
Dec 2, 2007, 12:08 AM
My girlfriend is quite skinny and I think she looks amazing:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6661/457v0281fz7.jpg


I wonder if you lot think she's "too skinny".

I wish I had a body like that one. Siighhh.
It's girls like that, that make me doubt my body and wonder if it's acceptable or not.


Same here mate, my girlfriend was bullied (way before we met) and it really hit her self-esteem. Went through school thinking she was ugly. When I asked her out she thought I was joking... it's terrible what bullying can do to a person.

Your girlfriend is very attractive, but don't take this the wrong way - i would love to put some new, form-flattering clothes on her. She's very thin and probably has an amazing figure under those baggy clothes! But HEY, you like her for how she is now :]

solvs
Dec 2, 2007, 12:35 AM
I wish I had a body like that one. Siighhh.
It's girls like that, that make me doubt my body and wonder if it's acceptable or not.
I don't understand where this comes from, but it is sadly prevalent in our society. Theres an old joke, where a woman says she'd rather take off her clothes in front of a man than another woman, or worse, a group of women. Other women will judge her, a man would be happy just to see her naked. It's funny because it's true. Men aren't really observant enough to notice every flaw, and even the ones we do, we generally don't care as long as everything is in it's place. Even then actually.

Don't worry about it, as long as you're "healthy" I'm sure you'll be fine. :)

xodonniedarko
Dec 2, 2007, 12:40 AM
edit: diff picture :p

http://i17.tinypic.com/6omaexs.jpg

am i a good size?

Rhosfelt
Dec 2, 2007, 12:45 AM
*looks at pictures*

*red/blue lights flash*

oh god I didn't do anything!!!

(p.s. you're fine and have nothing to worry about seriously)

iCube
Dec 2, 2007, 12:55 AM
I'm not into very skinny girls, but I am no chubby chaser! :o

If Britney got fat, I guess she would still be hot!

shecky
Dec 2, 2007, 12:59 AM
am i a good size?

to who?

prostuff1
Dec 2, 2007, 01:01 AM
?

you have nothing to worry about!!


I guess while the discussion is going on i might as well chime in. I think there is something inside men that automatically "attract" us to attractive women, at least at the beginning. If we take the time to actually get to know them we may later find out they are complete bitches. The first thing that attracts me is usually looks, i have to admit it, but when it comes right down to it I am more attracted to a women that I can carry on a conversation with (preferably and intelligent one). I do prefer that they be active and in shape as I enjoy doing that kind stuff. Overly skinny i find repulsing and disgusting as it really tells me that the women is more concerned what others think of her.

And xodonniedarko, from that little snippet of a pic I would say don't worry and don't stress as there is no need for it.

Edit: based on that other pic you put up and my preference for women i would say you are just fine.

iCube
Dec 2, 2007, 01:02 AM
am i a good size?

...perfect! ;)

Rhosfelt
Dec 2, 2007, 01:03 AM
I'm not into very skinny girls, but I am no chubby chaser! :o

If Britney got fat, I guess she would still be hot!

that is not photoshoped that is what she really looks like...sorry to break it to you, but I have seen worse pics of that diva.. hahaha

janitorC7
Dec 2, 2007, 01:04 AM
edit: diff picture :p

http://i17.tinypic.com/6omaexs.jpg

am i a good size?

yes you are fine, granted its more by age...

if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?

AP_piano295
Dec 2, 2007, 01:12 AM
I'm probably more a face kind of guy its what I tend to notice first, I'm not a fan of either extreme in the weight department dont really like boney girls but I'm probably more tolerant of too thin than too fat.

But like I said I think I pay more attention to a girls face than her body, really I think most girls have nice bodies, it really seems to depend on how they dress, but if I dont think a girl has a pretty face than mehh.

iMacZealot
Dec 2, 2007, 01:16 AM
No matter how long we try and swim upstream, boys and girls, the pretty will be with the pretty and the ugly will be with the ugly. This isn't the cinema.

lozanoj83
Dec 2, 2007, 01:21 AM
Well ima chime in... :)

For me, it doesnt matter how skinny or big the girl is, really. I've liked some girls... that are you can say skinny but not like a stick, and some well that aren't exactly. I honestly cant stand people that look like a stick and quite frankly, I pity them. I know that media has a role in what makes a girl believe that she has to be ubber supper skinny, but for me, idk, I guess I just like a girl based on her personally and how she is, and well her body factor isnt really placed into consideration....

oh and btw xodonniedarko you look fine as you are, really
coming from a 17 year old guy

AP_piano295
Dec 2, 2007, 01:22 AM
P.S.

I dont think it needs to be said that sex appeal and the way you percive a person is dependant on many psychological not just physical factors. Some examples.

*A girl you kind of like and have thought about dating starts dating someone else, I'll bet you she seems more attractive alllll of a sudden.

*Girls who smile (I guess this might be physical)

*The crowd the person hangs out with can have a major effect on how you see them, if they hang with the hot crowd (I'm still in highschool :) ) I belive you percive that person as more attractive.

*A girl you previously thought of as meh starts dating a guy who you've always thought to be a good looking guy that the girls like, I bet you'll precive the girl as more attractive.

*A girl who is cold or unfriendly twards you (girls you cant get for whatever reason) will often seem more attractive.

*Personality really does matter but I think less than elements like those above.

Prof.
Dec 2, 2007, 01:47 AM
I don't like stick thin girls. I like the normal girl. The one where you can actually hug with out worrying about breaking them in half.

edit: diff picture :p

http://i17.tinypic.com/6omaexs.jpg

am i a good size?

You're perfect!

http://pandoraatl.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/skinnymodel1.jpg

you love it.
That is ****ing disgusting!

G5Unit
Dec 2, 2007, 02:05 AM
Is xdonniedarkox a teenager?

















So am I [:

Prof.
Dec 2, 2007, 02:11 AM
Is xdonniedarkox a teenager?
















So am I [:
I'm assuming so.

Uh oh. Now we can see your hidden message!

G5Unit
Dec 2, 2007, 02:17 AM
I'm assuming so.

Uh oh. Now we can see your hidden message!

Blast. It's not like I was making it difficult to see...:rolleyes:

MACDRIVE
Dec 2, 2007, 02:51 AM
My idea of the perfect woman is Nadine Jansen. ;)

119576
Dec 2, 2007, 03:53 AM
if you dont mind me asking, how old are you?

Is xdonniedarkox a teenager?

16 IIRC.

solvs
Dec 2, 2007, 04:09 AM
edit: diff picture :p
Well, I missed the first pic (probably just as well, I'm almost twice your age and from the reactions, I'm wondering if the last pic would have made me feel like Chris Hanson was gonna bust in on me) but you look fine to me. At least from the back. :p Seriously though, it shouldn't matter what we think. It should only matter what you think and if you're happy with yourself.

Don't take this the wrong way, but judging by your posts, are you unhappy with yourself for some reason?

MACDRIVE
Dec 2, 2007, 04:41 AM
am i a good size?

Girl, you got every brick in the right place and the mortar is looking good too. ;)

Chanel
Dec 2, 2007, 06:59 AM
So I notice that a lot of you guys on here are attracted to a woman "who's not sickly thin, but not obese". There's such a large range of body types within that range, and the only pictures on here have been ok 'smaller' women. I just want to see what you all rate this body type as? On your scale of 1(anorexic) - 10(obese)..
http://www.artofeurope.com/rubens/rub5.jpg
Let's assume these three all have wonderful personalities ;)

Cheers

motulist
Dec 2, 2007, 07:14 AM
I just want to see what you all rate this body type as? On your scale of 1(anorexic) - 10(obese)..


Just in terms of gauging their size, not their attractiveness, I'd say those women are around a 5, maybe 6 on the size range.

iBlue
Dec 2, 2007, 07:19 AM
Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat? Assuming they have all sorts of psychological issues if they're under or overweight. This sort of pigeon-holing and objectification is just ugly.
indeed.

Men who don't have rippling 6 pack abs, well, they just must not be taking care of themselves. Oh and if you're under 6 feet tall, you better be able to stand high up on your wallet.
It's ok though, I'm a size 8 and I wear a 32DD bra.
Isn't that how the world works?

;)

Kashchei
Dec 2, 2007, 07:19 AM
A physician would likely tell each of these women to lose a bit of weight, so I think they would rate about a 6. I have a feeling many would consider them far higher. By today's standards of feminine beauty, Marilyn Monroe would need to lose weight

xodonniedarko
Dec 2, 2007, 08:42 AM
I'm almost 17. But no no, I'm very happy with my looks, body, ect ect. I just wanted to know what you guys think, because.. well, who am I to judge myself?

I'm not into very skinny girls, but I am no chubby chaser! :o

If Britney got fat, I guess she would still be hot!

No that is not her real picture, I saw the live performance! She wasn't that bad looking. She just wasn't her tween star body.

letsgorangers
Dec 2, 2007, 09:47 AM
Wait the whole point of this was to discuss how being skinny is overrated and to get opinions on the matter, etc. And then you post a picture of yourself to get validation? Talk about how much you love your body and then upon seeing a photo of another girl start to doubt yourself? There are greater issues afoot here...

janitorC7
Dec 2, 2007, 10:00 AM
I'm almost 17. But no no, I'm very happy with my looks, body, ect ect. I just wanted to know what you guys think, because.. well, who am I to judge myself?



No that is not her real picture, I saw the live performance! She wasn't that bad looking. She just wasn't her tween star body.


Okay, well if you are 16 I would say that you look fantastic, and I can judge, I;m 16 myself. But trust me you have nothing, nothing, nothing to worry about. Heres what I know so far.

From Pic 1, you have a good body, and nice legs.

From Pic 2, you are an attractive hight, and you also haver a good style, what you are doing in the picture tells me that you have a fun personality, the type of person who will go and stand one legged on a railroad track and pretend to be flying. Plus your hair is a nice color.

If my assumptions are correct, you seem like a very appealing girl.

Just wondering, if you dont mind, what is it that makes you feel that you are not happy? are you happy with your personality?

zap2
Dec 2, 2007, 10:18 AM
but seriously, being fat tells me that you're lazy and that you don't take care of yourself.

:eek::eek:

No, it doesn't...some people are predisposed to being fat. They can work out, run a lot, eat healthy and slim down, but they still have a harder time being think.


Then there are people like me, I don't really watch what I eat(I eat 2 BigMacs when ever I go to McDonald's, but I'm thin because I'm predisposed to it(also I play sports and stay active...but I certianly could be much bigger if my weight was based only on what I eat and do)

AceWilfong
Dec 2, 2007, 10:40 AM
Why don't the girls here start discussing the guys like pieces of meat? Assuming they have all sorts of psychological issues if they're under or overweight. This sort of pigeon-holing and objectification is just ugly.

No contest. I think I, and most other guys, are most nearly like bratwurst. Here is a personal favoritel...since 1963.
At 72, a couple of weeks ago:

AP_piano295
Dec 2, 2007, 10:42 AM
:eek::eek:

No, it doesn't...some people are predisposed to being fat. They can work out, run a lot, eat healthy and slim down, but they still have a harder time being think.


Then there are people like me, I don't really watch what I eat(I eat 2 BigMacs when ever I go to McDonald's, but I'm thin because I'm predisposed to it(also I play sports and stay active...but I certianly could be much bigger if my weight was based only on what I eat and do)

I work in a bakery...can you guess who buys more pastries?

techlover828
Dec 2, 2007, 10:52 AM
edit: diff picture :p

http://i17.tinypic.com/6omaexs.jpg

am i a good size?

I always miss controversial pics :mad:

letsgorangers
Dec 2, 2007, 10:57 AM
I work in a bakery...can you guess who buys more pastries?

Ever thought that maybe these people are otherwise healthy individuals who have no problem treating themselves once in awhile?

I'm 100 pounds fully clothed and I eat more sweets than my bigger friends.

No need to make broad, uneducated generalizations.

Virgil-TB2
Dec 2, 2007, 11:24 AM
Are skinny girls as over-rated as I think they are?

It's true - skinny legs, perfect curves, flat stomachs, nice breasts - they are attractive. Girls are dying (literally) to be thin, because society and the media has told them that it's the way they should be. I don't agree. While it is definitely important to be in shape, I don't being a stick is necessary. Everyone has their own body, but girls aren't always happy, because they think they have to be hollywood quality to be admired. Is this true?

I want to know how YOU PERSONALLY prefer your woman's body to be.
Or how is the woman you have?Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder and different people like different things but...

There are some things that are simply scientific/medical facts that no amount of "preference" can overcome. These rules apply to men as well as women because they are factually based.

Some good rules of thumb are:

1) If you can see someone's ribs, they are unhealthily thin. Period. Medical science refers to this as emaciation. :)

2) If someone is below about 10 or 15 percent body fat they are also unhealthily thin. This applies to all those "ripped" guys who try to get down to five percent BF. It is simply a fact that having an incredibly small amount of body fat is neither natural nor healthy.

3) I don't know off-hand what the ratio is, but if you are a guy or a girl and you are so muscled as to pass for a WWF wrestler, you are "unaturally" muscled and probably already suffering health effects as a result. The fact that almost no-one has ever been able to attain this state without taking drugs of various kinds is a big giveaway.

4) If you are overweight to the point that you have more than a couple of inches or so of extra fat around your waist, you are definitely overweight and again, already having medical effects whether you are aware of them or not.

5) If you are 100 or more pounds overweight you are by definition "morbidly obese" which means (basically), so f*ckin overweight you are likely to drop dead at any moment from a variety of things. :eek:

Obviously this also means that if you are between your ideal weight and 100 lbs. over, then you are still seriously overweight. So all those folks that tell you "yeah I am overweight but only 40 lbs. or so" are seriously fooling themselves. Sure, you won't need to be buried in a piano box, but you will still likely be buried sometime soon. :)

Dagless
Dec 2, 2007, 11:26 AM
I work in a bakery...can you guess who buys more pastries?

Trying to not sound too harsh, when I'm out buying a Meal Deal from Boots you can see people playing into their category. Spotty teen going for the Red Bull and Lindor combo, larger people going for the 3 sandwich pack etc.

Applespider
Dec 2, 2007, 11:44 AM
Your girlfriend is very attractive, but don't take this the wrong way - i would love to put some new, form-flattering clothes on her.
Must confess that was my thought too. Those clothes do nothing for her. I'd say they almost camouflage her beauty.

Trying to not sound too harsh, when I'm out buying a Meal Deal from Boots you can see people playing into their category.... larger people going for the 3 sandwich pack etc.

Or their 'Shapers' sandwich... :rolleyes:

Dagless
Dec 2, 2007, 12:19 PM
Depends if they're dieting :p

Shapers are my faves actually, 2 packs of those and I'm good to go.

AP_piano295
Dec 2, 2007, 12:39 PM
Ever thought that maybe these people are otherwise healthy individuals who have no problem treating themselves once in awhile?

I'm 100 pounds fully clothed and I eat more sweets than my bigger friends.

No need to make broad, uneducated generalizations.

It's actually an educated generalization as I see it, I see the same over weight people coming in more often than lower weight customers. The overweight customers tend to buy more un-heathy foods (can you say a fudge brownie with choclate mouse on top then dipped in fudge?). If you already weigh 250 pounds you dont need that, I'm sorry if that sounds callous.

I'm not trying to argue that biology does'nt play a role in a persons weight I have a very high metabolism I eat tons of food just to keep going through the day, it's easier for me to keep off weight than it is for some people. I also have friends with thyeroid problems who have to really watch what they eat and make a point of excercising to stay at a heathy weight but they do it.

twoodcc
Dec 2, 2007, 12:54 PM
That's just...well, sad! If they don't move then they're fat, whether their overweight or underweight so long as we can call them all fat. I'm going to have to defer to my last post as it appears to be quite accurate. ;)

you can say what you want. but i guarantee that your doctor will tell you that being fat is a bad thing. case closed.

letsgorangers
Dec 2, 2007, 01:00 PM
It's actually an educated generalization as I see it, I see the same over weight people coming in more often than lower weight customers. The overweight customers tend to buy more un-heathy foods (can you say a fudge brownie with choclate mouse on top then dipped in fudge?). If you already weigh 250 pounds you dont need that, I'm sorry if that sounds callous.
I think it is more a matter of when a slender person comes in you make no notice of it. What if that skinny girl you just served 3 pastries to later went into the bathroom and vomited it up? That's not healthy either...

The key here is moderation. If you are 250 pounds and you do your best to eat right and exercise you have just as much right to indulge every once in awhile as someone who is 100 pounds.

All I ask is that you don't assume to know things that are buried deep within a person. The overweight woman who comes in multiple times a week because her husband just died and she can't take the grief. The 90-pound teenager who vomits in the bathroom because stress and heartache are taking their toll. Weight is not always about what you eat.

I am not attacking you or anyone. I just implore you all to look deeper. The surface can be deceiving.

prostuff1
Dec 2, 2007, 01:36 PM
2) If someone is below about 10 or 15 percent body fat they are also unhealthily thin. This applies to all those "ripped" guys who try to get down to five percent BF. It is simply a fact that having an incredibly small amount of body fat is neither natural nor healthy.

This statement is a very broad one. It really depends on what you do. See this page (http://www.healthchecksystems.com/bodyfat.htm) for better understanding of were you are.

I am in the 8 percent range but I don't really think of myself as an athlete either. I do try to keep in shape but i am not heavy into sports like I use to be.

Rhosfelt
Dec 2, 2007, 01:57 PM
This statement is a very broad one. It really depends on what you do. See this page (http://www.healthchecksystems.com/bodyfat.htm) for better understanding of were you are.

I am in the 8 percent range but I don't really think of myself as an athlete either. I do try to keep in shape but i am not heavy into sports like I use to be.

yeah we have you there I am about 8-9% body fat and I am just a little under weight for my height, but I am very healthy and eat tons..it is just my body type to be skinny because of my metabolism.

ghall
Dec 2, 2007, 02:22 PM
If the girl is pencil thin, then it's just disgusting. I like me a little meat on my women. :p

it5five
Dec 2, 2007, 02:51 PM
It's actually an educated generalization as I see it, I see the same over weight people coming in more often than lower weight customers. The overweight customers tend to buy more un-heathy foods (can you say a fudge brownie with choclate mouse on top then dipped in fudge?). If you already weigh 250 pounds you dont need that, I'm sorry if that sounds callous.

I'm not trying to argue that biology does'nt play a role in a persons weight I have a very high metabolism I eat tons of food just to keep going through the day, it's easier for me to keep off weight than it is for some people. I also have friends with thyeroid problems who have to really watch what they eat and make a point of excercising to stay at a heathy weight but they do it.

I'm going to have to agree with you. I used to work in a grocery store (only about 6 months), but my girlfriend has worked at a grocery store for close to two years now. She works in the bakery, which at her previous store was located behind the produce section.

This isn't a scientific study or anything, and is based purely on observation, but a lot of overweight people tend to completely breeze through the produce section without touching a vegetable/fruit, and then load up on donuts and cakes at the bakery.

I had read a study where only a VERY small percent of excessive weight is caused by a medical or genetic problem (less than 10%), and most is caused by poor diet and lack of physical activity. If people would eat right and exercise, they could lose some weight.

EDIT:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity#Genetics

Genetic obesity only affects 5% of the obese population.

xodonniedarko
Dec 2, 2007, 07:10 PM
Wait the whole point of this was to discuss how being skinny is overrated and to get opinions on the matter, etc. And then you post a picture of yourself to get validation? Talk about how much you love your body and then upon seeing a photo of another girl start to doubt yourself? There are greater issues afoot here...

No no.

I am fine with my body and where I am - I was just wondering what the public eye truly thought about me. Too skinny? Not skinny enough? Just right? Just wondering another world's opinion - didn't think there was much wrong with that!

And while I may be happy with my body, seeing a model with a perfect body sure makes me wish I had a body like hers. It's like... seeing a great model home and going, "why don't I live in this house?" even though the house you live in now, is just fine. :p



Okay, well if you are 16 I would say that you look fantastic, and I can judge, I;m 16 myself. But trust me you have nothing, nothing, nothing to worry about. Heres what I know so far.

From Pic 1, you have a good body, and nice legs.

From Pic 2, you are an attractive hight, and you also haver a good style, what you are doing in the picture tells me that you have a fun personality, the type of person who will go and stand one legged on a railroad track and pretend to be flying. Plus your hair is a nice color.

If my assumptions are correct, you seem like a very appealing girl.

Just wondering, if you dont mind, what is it that makes you feel that you are not happy? are you happy with your personality?

Wow... i've never had anyone say so many nice things all at once. Haha! I really do take that to heart. Funny how you can judge a person by a picture, eh? And noo, I'm not happy. I just wanted to know if guys truly desired the perfect bodies. Or something like that.

Stampyhead
Dec 2, 2007, 08:35 PM
am i a good size?

Yes, you're beautiful too. Plus you seem like you're a lot of fun to be around (judging from your picture and from other posts), and fun is a lot more important than beautiful.

I just wanted to know if guys truly desired the perfect bodies
Perfect is in the eye of the beholder. Someday your Prince Charming will come along and tell you you're perfect. Just wait!

iBlue
Dec 3, 2007, 02:55 AM
...

There are some things that are simply scientific/medical facts that no amount of "preference" can overcome. These rules apply to men as well as women because they are factually based.

Some good rules of thumb are:

1) If you can see someone's ribs, they are unhealthily thin. Period. Medical science refers to this as emaciation. :)

2) If someone is below about 10 or 15 percent body fat they are also unhealthily thin. This applies to all those "ripped" guys who try to get down to five percent BF. It is simply a fact that having an incredibly small amount of body fat is neither natural nor healthy. ...
Really? Some other facts: I am not underweight or overweight. You can sort of see my ribs. This is just how I was built. While there's lot of funny clichés about being "big-boned" I actually am.

"All those unhealthy ripped guys" huh? How about those (like my husband) who just have a hard time putting on weight and as a result, when he works out he looks chiseled. This is how he is naturally and not the result of obsessive dieting and or weight lifting.


You just left no room for a grey area and there's a pretty big one.

Rodimus Prime
Dec 3, 2007, 03:19 AM
Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder and different people like different things but...

There are some things that are simply scientific/medical facts that no amount of "preference" can overcome. These rules apply to men as well as women because they are factually based.

Some good rules of thumb are:

1) If you can see someone's ribs, they are unhealthily thin. Period. Medical science refers to this as emaciation. :)

2) If someone is below about 10 or 15 percent body fat they are also unhealthily thin. This applies to all those "ripped" guys who try to get down to five percent BF. It is simply a fact that having an incredibly small amount of body fat is neither natural nor healthy.



I might want to point out that those first 2 are not the best to go by. If one looks at me with out my shirt on you can see some of my ribs on my sides

On the 2nd on my % body fat is under 10% on a pinch test a few years ago I was at around 5%. I am 6'4" and 156 lb which is boarder line between normal and underwieght. Now slightly underweight is considered healthy.


As for my body fat I do not do anything to try to maintain it. I eat a fair amount of food which is over 2000 calories of food a day. I am genetically inclined not to get a large amount of body fat. Now if I bother to lift weight and try I could get those 6 packs everyone seems to think are great with little work. It not unhealthy for me but like I said I am not in the range of normal.

I have a more athletic build. My brother is even worse than me. He is as tall as me and 20lb heavier but it is all mussel and very well toned. My sister is low in body fat for a girl but she is also like the rest of us has a very athletic build and is a star athlete.

Most of my wieght is mussel and yes I do little to try to maintain it. I try to eat healthy. I do little if any real work out for just working out.

iMacZealot
Dec 3, 2007, 03:21 AM
You people need to gain some self-confidence!

iBlue
Dec 3, 2007, 03:24 AM
You people need to gain some self-confidence!
you really need to gain a clue. :rolleyes:

iMacZealot
Dec 3, 2007, 03:32 AM
you really need to gain a clue. :rolleyes:

Yeah, well, I do have a habit of not really reading the rest of the thread.

I'm underweight, and there isn't much I can do about it, but I'm pretty happy with the way I look.

iBlue
Dec 3, 2007, 03:39 AM
Yeah, well, I do have a habit of not really reading the rest of the thread.

I'm underweight, and there isn't much I can do about it, but I'm pretty happy with the way I look.
That's a bad habit when statements like your previous one are being made.

But anyway, glad you're happy with yourself - just don't assume others aren't also, you know?

iMacZealot
Dec 3, 2007, 03:42 AM
That's a bad habit when statements like your previous one are being made.

But anyway, glad you're happy with yourself - just don't assume others aren't also, you know?

I guess what I mean to say is that I become depressed to see how many people are unhappy with themselves.

Perhaps you're better off considering that you're doing something about it. I just can't.

edesignuk
Dec 3, 2007, 03:54 AM
I'm underweight, and there isn't much I can do about it, but I'm pretty happy with the way I look.There is always something you can do about it. It's just a matter of how much work and effort you're willing to put in.

I'd like to weigh more, but putting on weight is hard for me. I have no doubt that if I ate the right foods in the right quantities at the right times I could. Fact is though I just can't be bothered and am quite happy how I am plodding along, going to the gym just doing what I can.

If I reeeeaally wanted to though, I could bulk up, it would just take a lot more effort than I'm willing to give. I believe that to be the same for everyone.

bartelby
Dec 3, 2007, 03:56 AM
I'd like to weigh more, but putting on weight is hard for me. I have no doubt that if I ate the right foods in the right quantities and the right times I could. Fact is though I just can't be bothered and am quite happy how I am plodding along, going to the gym just doing what I can.


Give it time. You're still pretty young. I had trouble putting weight on until about 5 years ago. Then my metabolism slowed and POW! 2.5 stone in a matter of months! :rolleyes:

But I'm too lazy to care about it. :D

iMacZealot
Dec 3, 2007, 04:02 AM
My metabolism is too fast and I'm just intrinsically thin. I'm about 5'3", 110 lbs, and sure you can see some of my ribs on my sides, but I don't think I'm unhealthy because I've always been that way. I've tried overeating and I've tried undereating and I can only seem to pull or raise the scale by about two pounds. I stay relatively healthy and I exercise to a certain extent, and I don't think there's much else I can do unless if I want to be 112 pounds, but that's nothing that makes a difference. The only thing I don't like about my weight is when people think I'm anorexic, but that's only by the sociopathic bully alpha males at my school. Plus, I know that I'm healthy, and that those people aren't worth my time.

Now, if I was overweight or really did have an eating disorder, I'd probably be concerned, but I'm not, and I'm generally happy with the way I look (except for my roots :p).

Xeem
Dec 3, 2007, 04:42 AM
The fashion industry and popular culture have made it very hard for any woman to feel good about their body. My girlfriend has a classic hourglass figure; she has a large bust (36DDD), skinny waist, and wide hips. Unfortunately, she really beats herself up for having curves (Size 12? Gasp!), which is really too bad because she is gorgeous. On the other hand I have a friend that is very tall and thin (she really could be a model), and she resents her body for not having enough curves (A cup? Gasp!). Pretty much everyone that I know considers both of them to be beautiful, yet neither think of themselves as beautiful. I agree with iMacZealot... self-confidence is the key.

xodonniedarko
Dec 3, 2007, 09:35 AM
The fashion industry and popular culture have made it very hard for any woman to feel good about their body. My girlfriend has a classic hourglass figure; she has a large bust (36DDD), skinny waist, and wide hips. Unfortunately, she really beats herself up for having curves (Size 12? Gasp!), which is really too bad because she is gorgeous. On the other hand I have a friend that is very tall and thin (she really could be a model), and she resents her body for not having enough curves (A cup? Gasp!). Pretty much everyone that I know considers both of them to be beautiful, yet neither think of themselves as beautiful. I agree with iMacZealot... self-confidence is the key.

Just remind your girlfriend every day that she is the most beautiful girl in your eyes -after all, your opinion is the only opinion that truly matters. But isn't it funny how the girls with curves don't want them, and the girls without curves do? If only we could all choose our own bodies and be done with it. :p

ghall
Dec 3, 2007, 10:30 AM
The fashion industry and popular culture have made it very hard for any woman to feel good about their body. My girlfriend has a classic hourglass figure; she has a large bust (36DDD), skinny waist, and wide hips. Unfortunately, she really beats herself up for having curves (Size 12? Gasp!), which is really too bad because she is gorgeous. On the other hand I have a friend that is very tall and thin (she really could be a model), and she resents her body for not having enough curves (A cup? Gasp!). Pretty much everyone that I know considers both of them to be beautiful, yet neither think of themselves as beautiful. I agree with iMacZealot... self-confidence is the key.

:eek:

You are a lucky, lucky man.

Xeem
Dec 3, 2007, 10:51 AM
:eek:

You are a lucky, lucky man.

I know. :D

abijnk
Dec 3, 2007, 11:39 AM
I knew it was only a matter of time til we got a thyroid argument :/


Excuse me? Yeah, I love being fat, excuse me while I get a doughnut. Don't be ingnorant.

The problem is that people judge to quickly. Don't assume that I am fat because I am lazy and like to over-eat on a regular basis. The idea that there are other reasons people are fat just doesn't seem to sink in for people...

Mord
Dec 3, 2007, 12:33 PM
I'm currently trying to gain weight, I weigh ~154lb 11 stone but I'm 6'3 and most of it is muscle.

IME it's allot harder to gain weight than it is to lose it, I used to weigh ~200lb and I shrunk down with ease a bit too far and now i'm having trouble regaining it.

Being as boney and curveless as I am is not good.

juanster
Dec 3, 2007, 12:45 PM
I'm currently trying to gain weight, I weigh ~154lb 11 stone but I'm 6'3 and most of it is muscle.

IME it's allot harder to gain weight than it is to lose it, I used to weigh ~200lb and I shrunk down with ease a bit too far and now i'm having trouble regaining it.

Being as boney and curveless as I am is not good.

you were 6'3 200 pounds? when you were at that weight were you comfortable at that weight or was it too much weight? physicallya nd how you felt? i am 5'7 and used to be 247 now im down to 215.. i ma way shorter than you though and also i am a guy...

MarkCollette
Dec 3, 2007, 03:09 PM
I think there is a place for everyone... why should my opinions matter to you?

Exactly. There's people who appreciate each type. And people who don't like any type but their type. So you're always going to get some positive and some negative feedback. That's a statement about others, not necessarily oneself.


My girlfriend is quite skinny and I think she looks amazing:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6661/457v0281fz7.jpg

I wonder if you lot think she's "too skinny".

I wouldn't use the word skinny for her. Skinny tends to have negative connotations. I think that "thin" is more appropriate. By the way, I think she's got a really pretty body. A perfect stomach, and an amazing ass. If she was my girlfriend, there'd be teeth marks all over that. Of course, I always bite my girlfriends' asses... But I'm getting a chew toy from the pet store this Christmas, so I think I'll be cured soon.


edit: diff picture :p

http://i17.tinypic.com/6omaexs.jpg

am i a good size?

Ditto with you, from what I can tell you look quite nice as well.


indeed.

Men who don't have rippling 6 pack abs, well, they just must not be taking care of themselves. Oh and if you're under 6 feet tall, you better be able to stand high up on your wallet.
It's ok though, I'm a size 8 and I wear a 32DD bra.
Isn't that how the world works?

;)

Actually, I feel bad when my stomach 6 pack doesn't show, and I know that I'm only 6', and not taller because I didn't sleep enough when I was younger. I was on the growth chart curve to be taller, then I got into computers, and stayed up past 2am for a couple years, and then fell off the curve. I take responsibility for the shortcomings that I see in myself. And while I don't point out others', I don't lie to make them feel better either.


I always miss controversial pics :mad:

Me too! :(

Rhosfelt
Dec 3, 2007, 03:14 PM
I'm almost 17. But no no, I'm very happy with my looks, body, ect ect. I just wanted to know what you guys think, because.. well, who am I to judge myself?



No that is not her real picture, I saw the live performance! She wasn't that bad looking. She just wasn't her tween star body.

**In regards to me making fun of Brittany Spears


Okay she is a total fat disgusting slob she looks 40+ not 26... curtsy of Tyler Durden I win. (I know of a couple of pictures of her on there that would make you gag..and she is fully clothed.)

iBlue
Dec 4, 2007, 03:06 AM
...
Actually, I feel bad when my stomach 6 pack doesn't show, and I know that I'm only 6', and not taller because I didn't sleep enough when I was younger. I was on the growth chart curve to be taller, then I got into computers, and stayed up past 2am for a couple years, and then fell off the curve. I take responsibility for the shortcomings that I see in myself. And while I don't point out others', I don't lie to make them feel better either.
Well it's good that you accept that. :p

**In regards to me making fun of Brittany Spears


Okay she is a total fat disgusting slob she looks 40+ not 26... curtsy of Tyler Durden I win. (I know of a couple of pictures of her on there that would make you gag..and she is fully clothed.)
:rolleyes: Are you serious? Haven't you ever been caught mid-blink in a photo or about to talk and find yourself looking less than gorgeous at that millisecond the camera captured you? How about you put one of those photos up for us to critique?

eldino
Dec 4, 2007, 05:17 AM
They only kind of girls I like are busty, fatty and with cute face. possibly blonde :-) The thin girls and extra-thin girls excite me less than a LaCie drive.. figure that out! Thin girls have no meaning for me.. The real sexy women have curves , '50s style.. :-)

My 2 cents.

Mord
Dec 4, 2007, 06:05 AM
you were 6'3 200 pounds? when you were at that weight were you comfortable at that weight or was it too much weight? physicallya nd how you felt? i am 5'7 and used to be 247 now im down to 215.. i ma way shorter than you though and also i am a guy...

I had other issues with my body at the time (primarily hormonal) but I had more tummy than I would have liked. I have a rather slender narrow frame, I'm literally like a twig so while girls are meant to be heavier on average than guys of the same height it doesn't always hold once you get past 6' especially when the height is in the legs which it is for me, I'm also pretty flat chested.

I would be happy at 170-180ish with an even fat distribution.

koobcamuk
Dec 4, 2007, 06:10 AM
I really like all sorts of girls. Some are bigger than others. Some skinny girls look amazing - flat chest or not, I can fancy them. Face and eyes are a big one for me.

Mord
Dec 4, 2007, 07:46 AM
To add my two cents on my preferences in others (I'm bi)....

Guys: I don't expect you to be stick thin but within a healthy range is absolutely requisite, call me shallow but tbh I don't care for guys as anything but sex partners so I am.

Girls: my tastes in girls is odd to say the least, I prefer them thin only when they're of a certain build similar to my own which is Athletic with Wider shoulders than hips, think Milla jovovich, linda Hamilton, Chrissie Hynde. Other than those types I prefer a girl of a healthy decent weight.

Iscariot
Dec 4, 2007, 08:43 AM
indeed.

Men who don't have rippling 6 pack abs, well, they just must not be taking care of themselves. Oh and if you're under 6 feet tall, you better be able to stand high up on your wallet.
It's ok though, I'm a size 8 and I wear a 32DD bra.
Isn't that how the world works?

;)

Guys don't feel at all insecure when compared to David Beckham or Matthew McConaughey, amirite?

I say we reduce everyone to the level of meat! We can start a band. I'll rewrite "Baby Got Back" to "Baby got Rack", you write an equally misandrist song, and we'll do acoustic versions.

Totally sweet.

jackiecanev2
Dec 4, 2007, 08:46 AM
I'm a thin girl (5'2, 110 lbs) but fit. I have small curves. I prefer women of the same size and stature as myself, but I definitely find myself more attracted to women who are a bit curvy moreso than women who are too thin. And there is such a thing as too thin.

koobcamuk
Dec 4, 2007, 08:47 AM
I'm a thin girl (5'2, 110 lbs) but fit. I have small curves. I prefer women of the same size and stature as myself, but I definitely find myself more attracted to women who are a bit curvy moreso than women who are too thin. And there is such a thing as too thin.

Photo? :)

Plymouthbreezer
Dec 4, 2007, 09:03 AM
My lady is as thin as a rail, and I like that. She eats too, but she also runs to keep off the weight she would be putting on based on our [somewhat poor] eating habits.

We both like being small, skinny people. It's kinda fun. I'm 5'6" and 130 pounds, she's 5'5" and 110.

Rhosfelt
Dec 4, 2007, 09:04 AM
:rolleyes: Are you serious? Haven't you ever been caught mid-blink in a photo or about to talk and find yourself looking less than gorgeous at that millisecond the camera captured you? How about you put one of those photos up for us to critique?

She isn't mid blink and if she is about to talk it must be something like;

"dat cake looks nummy, RAWR!!!"

;) and I am not talking about her facial expression, we can all recognize sheer joy.. I am more talking about her skin and her hair even.

My mom has tanned all her life, and so has my grandma, yet her skin looks like my great grandma, and her hair is so greasy and looks even fake.

Sure I don't look great in all my photos, but I still take care of myself. And, if I had the kind of money she had I certainly wouldn't be losing my kids because I am failing drug tests.

koobcamuk
Dec 4, 2007, 09:05 AM
and I like looking Spartan...

xodonniedarko
Dec 4, 2007, 09:06 AM
My lady is as thin as a rail, and I like that. She eats too, but she also runs to keep off the weight she would be putting on based on our [somewhat poor] eating habits.

We both like being small, skinny people. It's kinda fun. I'm 5'6" and 130 pounds, she's 5'5" and 110.



Your girlfriend is probably 10 pounds under-weight, just so you know!

Plymouthbreezer
Dec 4, 2007, 09:10 AM
Your girlfriend is probably 10 pounds under-weight, just so you know!

Probably. But she's healthy and likes her body how it is, so that's always a good thing!

My lady and I (we were sleeping, don't mind the shabby look):

Iscariot
Dec 4, 2007, 09:14 AM
Probably. But she's healthy and likes her body how it is, so that's always a good thing!

My lady and I (we were sleeping, don't mind the shabby look):

Your hair. Give them to me.

xodonniedarko
Dec 4, 2007, 09:15 AM
Probably. But she's healthy and likes her body how it is, so that's always a good thing!

My lady and I (we were sleeping, don't mind the shabby look):

Hm well she looks good! I guess I imagined her boney and wierdo. You guys are cute. Nice hair.

koobcamuk
Dec 4, 2007, 09:18 AM
Hm well she looks good! I guess I imagined her boney and wierdo. You guys are cute. Nice hair.

She looks great. Slim doesn't mean boney. Just as athletic can mean lots of things.

I think she looks great. :)

iBlue
Dec 4, 2007, 09:31 AM
She isn't mid blink and if she is about to talk it must be something like;

"dat cake looks nummy, RAWR!!!"

;) and I am not talking about her facial expression, we can all recognize sheer joy.. I am more talking about her skin and her hair even.

My mom has tanned all her life, and so has my grandma, yet her skin looks like my great grandma, and her hair is so greasy and looks even fake.

Sure I don't look great in all my photos, but I still take care of myself. And, if I had the kind of money she had I certainly wouldn't be losing my kids because I am failing drug tests.
Yeah, she's done some really really stupid things and she might not look her best, but for some reason it seems cruel to rip on her appearance the way people have. I digress... I don't know what's 'fair' and what isn't when it comes to 'reviewing' celebs.
I know there are some awful pictures of me in existence, I'd be horrified if they were up for critiquing... however, I have no urge to be famous whatsoever so that's unlikely.


These types of threads usually just disturb me because it boils down to harsh and shallow generalizations.

Rhosfelt
Dec 4, 2007, 09:36 AM
Yeah, she's done some really really stupid things and she might not look her best, but for some reason it seems cruel to rip on her appearance the way people have. I digress... I don't know what's 'fair' and what isn't when it comes to 'reviewing' celebs.
I know there are some awful pictures of me in existence, I'd be horrified if they were up for critiquing... however, I have no urge to be famous whatsoever so that's unlikely.


These types of threads usually just disturb me because it boils down to harsh and shallow generalizations.

haha my point was that she hasn't taken care of herself at all, and that is the point to life. Take care of yourself to the point where you are happy.

If you feel fat, go run or work out :)

If you feel too skinny go eat (or lift :P) :)

The point is it be happy with who you are, I have major flaws and I know it, but I don't let them get me down because I have good points too, and I can always work on the bad. Sometimes people just want a super model, but they don't realize that their personalities are well lacking..and they can be total betchs..I'd rather have a girl who likes me as much as I like her, than someone who looks "good" in a photo.

Plymouthbreezer
Dec 4, 2007, 10:00 AM
Thanks everyone! She's a cutie, and I do enjoy our hair:

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3254/dsc8798lj1.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8798lj1.jpg) http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5412/dsc8796yh2.th.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc8796yh2.jpg)

Naimfan
Dec 4, 2007, 12:14 PM
Interesting thread!

While the OP didn't exactly ask, I'll interpret the question to be more along the lines of what I find attractive. In order, I look for intelligence, a sense of humor, and attractiveness, which includes looks, bearing, etc. The reason is that if someone can't carry on a conversation, it doesn't much matter what they look like. And if they don't have a sense of humor, well, we're not going to get along very well--humor is essential to me. As for what I find "attractive," I'm generally drawn to a somewhat athletic type--not a female wrestler type, but more the cyclist/swimmer/hiker. Someone comfortable with who she is, who knows what she's about, and so on. I've also got a serious history of being attracted to women with darker hair.

The other question I'd ask is this: Attractive for what? For a long-term relationship? A single overnight? Something in between?

MarkCollette
Dec 4, 2007, 01:12 PM
Probably. But she's healthy and likes her body how it is, so that's always a good thing!

My lady and I (we were sleeping, don't mind the shabby look):

You two look pretty good... for such a fat couple! ;)

SavageMac
Dec 4, 2007, 01:56 PM
I been down the dating road with what can be called chubbie girls --- and I will never return.

I have noticed girls who weigh more have mental problems. There is something usually off about them. They are always striving to be more beautiful.

Now that I'm with my perfect gal (asian so of course naturally skinny -- and will remain that way unlike white women), I can say without a doubt EVERYTHING is better about a skinny girl.

They live longer, not the kind of health problems chubs have, etc.

Edit: Not to mention, I can't really say here I'm sure....but the S.....is much better with a skinny girl. I mean really, do you want to feel someone weigh as much as you do as a male, or possibly more? No thanks!

Naimfan
Dec 4, 2007, 01:58 PM
^

Wow. I cannot begin to write what I think of that post....

Rhosfelt
Dec 4, 2007, 02:01 PM
I been down the dating road with what can be called chubbie girls --- and I will never return.

I have noticed girls who weigh more have mental problems. There is something usually off about them. They are always striving to be more beautiful.

Now that I'm with my perfect gal (asian so of course naturally skinny -- and will remain that way unlike white women), I can say without a doubt EVERYTHING is better about a skinny girl.

They live longer, not the kind of health problems chubs have, etc.

wow...im seriously speachless

119576
Dec 4, 2007, 02:06 PM
<snip>

oh dear

QCassidy352
Dec 4, 2007, 02:13 PM
oh dear

x2

:eek:

Rhosfelt
Dec 4, 2007, 02:25 PM
*takes a seat in the colosseum*

*eats popcorn, and eagerly awaits the lions approach this guy*

anyone else want some popcorn?

galganog
Dec 4, 2007, 02:26 PM
I been down the dating road with what can be called chubbie girls --- and I will never return.

I have noticed girls who weigh more have mental problems. There is something usually off about them. They are always striving to be more beautiful.

Now that I'm with my perfect gal (asian so of course naturally skinny -- and will remain that way unlike white women), I can say without a doubt EVERYTHING is better about a skinny girl.


Count me in, lets smoke cigars, wear t-shirts with the words "no fat chick"s, and sip cognac at the playboy bunny mansion.

But in all seriousness, i like girls who have a high metabolism. As skinny no one has really defined what the hell that is. I don't like girls who have a spare tire around their waste so they lose shape. And i don;t like girls whos hips are wider than mine by a whole bunch. Its all about being proportional.

letsgorangers
Dec 4, 2007, 02:35 PM
They live longer, not the kind of health problems chubs have, etc.


Oh really? Ever heard of anorexia, malnutrition? A good friend of mine had a sister that fought with anorexia until she finally died from it.

If we are going to make generalizations about crazy ladies, girls with eating disorders aren't exactly at the top of their mental game either.

More generalizations, you say?

I bet your girlfriend is doing a black dude on the side since we all know that black dudes have the biggest penises (just like we know that Asian girls are naturally skinny and stay that way).

koobcamuk
Dec 4, 2007, 02:38 PM
I been down the dating road with what can be called chubbie girls --- and I will never return.

I have noticed girls who weigh more have mental problems. There is something usually off about them. They are always striving to be more beautiful.

Now that I'm with my perfect gal (asian so of course naturally skinny -- and will remain that way unlike white women), I can say without a doubt EVERYTHING is better about a skinny girl.

They live longer, not the kind of health problems chubs have, etc.

Edit: Not to mention, I can't really say here I'm sure....but the S.....is much better with a skinny girl. I mean really, do you want to feel someone weigh as much as you do as a male, or possibly more? No thanks!

Savage by name, savage by nature...!

xUKHCx
Dec 4, 2007, 02:44 PM
But in all seriousness, i like girls who have a high metabolism.

So you like 'em young ;)

Or you like watching them eat loads but not gain weight :confused:

abijnk
Dec 4, 2007, 02:44 PM
Hm, well, as a "big girl" this thread has been slightly enlightening. See, (and no, this isn't an excuse, its a legit medical condition that I take medication for) I have thyroid issues that hit around my freshman year of high school. I got sickly looking (my skin wasn't the right color) lost a whole bunch of weight, then blew up like a balloon. Now, since I have been diagnosed and am on meds to help level things out, I look like a normal human being again (pink, not grey in my case), except that I am 5'5" and 244 lbs.

While I am in the range of being considered medically obese, I think I am just as sexy and beautiful as the next girl, and i know how to "work it," if you will. While I think most of what SavageMac wrote is ridiculous, he brings up an important point. It doesn't matter how big or skinny you are, you aren't going to be attractive if you are uncomfortable in your own skin... With the way we are conditioned to think of beauty, and the natural "repulsion" we all feel towards obese people its no wonder we have eating disorders and "mentally disturbed fat people" (to be completely politically correct ;) )

Rhosfelt
Dec 4, 2007, 02:46 PM
Or you like watching them eat loads but not gain weight :confused:


as the resident innuendo expert HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :o

koobcamuk
Dec 4, 2007, 02:48 PM
You should show off with a sexy photo. That will shut him up.

Seriously, good for you. It is totally about how you are, how you hold yourself. Same for guys I think.

Naimfan
Dec 4, 2007, 02:53 PM
as the resident innuendo expert. . .

Not!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :o

(That title belongs to someone else....whose username starts with "r" and ends with "s")

119576
Dec 4, 2007, 02:54 PM
Not!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :o

(That title belongs to someone else....whose username starts with "r" and ends with "s")

and in between goes down.

Naimfan
Dec 4, 2007, 02:55 PM
and in between goes down.

:D

Exactly!

abijnk
Dec 4, 2007, 02:56 PM
You should show off with a sexy photo. That will shut him up.

Seriously, good for you. It is totally about how you are, how you hold yourself. Same for guys I think.

Lol, there are photos of me on here, I don't want to overwhelm anyone ;)

I don't care what a guy looks like, if he can't walk down the street with his head up, look me in the eye in a conversation, or carry himself like a 'gentleman' should, I am not interested. You are exactly right.

xUKHCx
Dec 4, 2007, 02:57 PM
snip

hi

You should show off with a sexy photo. That will shut him up.

Seriously, good for you. It is totally about how you are, how you hold yourself. Same for guys I think.

abiyng87 has a gorgeous smile I won't post the link but you can find it if you want

vanmacguy
Dec 4, 2007, 03:04 PM
I been down the dating road with what can be called chubbie girls --- and I will never return.

I have noticed girls who weigh more have mental problems. There is something usually off about them. They are always striving to be more beautiful.

Now that I'm with my perfect gal (asian so of course naturally skinny -- and will remain that way unlike white women), I can say without a doubt EVERYTHING is better about a skinny girl.

They live longer, not the kind of health problems chubs have, etc.

Edit: Not to mention, I can't really say here I'm sure....but the S.....is much better with a skinny girl. I mean really, do you want to feel someone weigh as much as you do as a male, or possibly more? No thanks!

Dude, take offense or not, but your viewpoint just doesn't make sense. You can't possibly make a mass generalizations like these.

Larger girls have mental problems?
Asian women always stay skinny?
S__ is better with a skinny girl?

How old are you? 15?

Aren't all women striving to be more beautiful?

I know some skinny girls that have no personality at all. And I definitely know some Asian women that don't fall into your demographic.

MarkCollette
Dec 4, 2007, 03:30 PM
I bet your girlfriend is doing a black dude on the side since we all know that black dudes have the biggest penises (just like we know that Asian girls are naturally skinny and stay that way).

Well, since asian girls tend to be smaller, then I think that would just be painful, and not really that exciting. I mean, think of all the times you've seen a black man with a caucasian woman. Now try to remember a single time you've seen one with an asian woman.

But, back to your sarcasm about the stereotypes not holding true... I live in a city of about a million people. I see asian and caucasian people every day. Sometimes a hundred, sometimes thousands. I've observed that asian woman, of all ages, tend to be thin. Not only that, but they tend to be thinner and smaller than caucasians. Obviously there are exceptions. But why would you even dispute that trend?


Dude, take offense or not, but your viewpoint just doesn't make sense. You can't possibly make a mass generalizations like these.

I think that it's pretty fair to mention trends that you've observed yourself, in your own interactions, and to learn from them, to reduce the likelihood of finding yourself in the same old undesirable situation.

Is it true for all cases? Probably not. But why not target a different situation, with better odds of success?

letsgorangers
Dec 4, 2007, 04:03 PM
But, back to your sarcasm about the stereotypes not holding true... I live in a city of about a million people. I see asian and caucasian people every day. Sometimes a hundred, sometimes thousands. I've observed that asian woman, of all ages, tend to be thin. Not only that, but they tend to be thinner and smaller than caucasians. Obviously there are exceptions. But why would you even dispute that trend?

Give me statistical proof. Start collecting quantitative data and then I'll listen. Write up a survey, or better yet, actually weigh and measure people of all races and ethnicities. And remember to throw out the outliers!

To me, a trend is backed up with data (not observations -- actual numbers). As such, I don't feel I'm disputing a trend. But this is all semantics.

I was fairly annoyed with every remark he made (his point, I'm sure). Yeah, I added the sex comment to be snide and sarcastic. I just thought I'd end on a high note. Yeah I'm mouthy. Must be that skinny girl attitude.

But come on, skinny girls live longer, are less crazy, and have less health problems?! Mark, perhaps you and I should devote the rest of our lives to finding out these important issues. :cool:

The real question here is: Why is everyone afraid to type the word sex? :confused: "S"?

SavageMac
Dec 4, 2007, 05:26 PM
I agree, by and large you see more asian girls as skinnier over other races. I have traveled well throughout the US and seen this over and over again. Go to the mall with one and they are always buying 0s and 2's and extra small panties. White women generally speaking? The 6, 8, 10, 12+ is on that side of the store.

Skinny does not mean you have to be Ann Frank & eat bread.

I do not believe a woman or man should be anorexic.

I also agree, anorexics have their mental issues too. Just like chubs. The goal is to find a happy middle of sorts, a place where you are 1) healthy 2) feel good about yourself 3) attractive to others

There is a thing called *gasp* BMI and if you are in that range you *need* to lose some weight ladies (or men) or you risk HUGE health problems.

Being fat, UNLESS you have a medical condition, there is no excuse for it! It is called bad eating and laziness.

There is a reason why guys, generally speaking, are attracted to the slim body. It is NATURE telling them the girl is healthy looking, attractive, someone desireable to continue the DNA.

When you see a chubby girl most are repelled --- and again there exists a NATURAL reason for this: An unhealthy woman (or man) who mates will produce spawn (child) that is also unhealthy.

I make it sound crass, weird, funny --- but I am speaking behind science.

xUKHCx
Dec 4, 2007, 05:31 PM
Taking it back somewhat, afterall that is what you are doing, being fat is a mechanism to keep you alive. It stores energy from food that would otherwise be wasted. So when the primeval man saw a fat woman it meant that there was an abundance of food. An abundance of food means more chance of survival, more chance of survival means more chance of child birth. So NATURE is saying fat is attractive.

I am speaking behind science.

wPod
Dec 4, 2007, 05:36 PM
Im sure I could say worse than SavageMac (except i've never slept with anyone i didn't think was attractive, so i have not basis for comparison. and I do think the asian thing is kinda weird, i have had a few friends who for some reason think asian girls are so amazing, but ive never understood how they are different from any other girls)

anyway, here is my 2 cents (in hopefully a nice manner) people think 'attractive' is what they are familiar with. if you are familiar with sitting around all day behind a computer eating cheetos and drinking soda, then im sure you will find someone of the opposite sex attractive if they sit around all day eating cheetos and drinking soda. same goes the other way, if you like eating celery and sipping water, then you will likely find someone attractive if they sit around eat celery and sip water.

so is one way better than the other? well i think the only good way is healthy. and i am sure that there are people on both ends of the spectrum that are unhealthy, like literally they are damaging their bodies.

ClassicMac247
Dec 4, 2007, 05:37 PM
yea they are overrated.

abijnk
Dec 4, 2007, 05:38 PM
I agree, by and large you see more asian girls as skinnier over other races. I have traveled well throughout the US and seen this over and over again. Go to the mall with one and they are always buying 0s and 2's and extra small panties. White women generally speaking? The 6, 8, 10, 12+ is on that side of the store.

Skinny does not mean you have to be Ann Frank & eat bread.

I do not believe a woman or man should be anorexic.

I also agree, anorexics have their mental issues too. Just like chubs. The goal is to find a happy middle of sorts, a place where you are 1) healthy 2) feel good about yourself 3) attractive to others

There is a thing called *gasp* BMI and if you are in that range you *need* to lose some weight ladies (or men) or you risk HUGE health problems.

Being fat, UNLESS you have a medical condition, there is no excuse for it! It is called bad eating and laziness.

There is a reason why guys, generally speaking, are attracted to the slim body. It is NATURE telling them the girl is healthy looking, attractive, someone desireable to continue the DNA.

When you see a chubby girl most are repelled --- and again there exists a NATURAL reason for this: An unhealthy woman (or man) who mates will produce spawn (child) that is also unhealthy.

I make it sound crass, weird, funny --- but I am speaking behind science.

Couple of things. Could you possibly be a little less rude and stop referring to overweight people as "chubs," I mean really, this discussion has managed to go on this long without having petty stuff go on too much. If you want us to take your opinion seriously, then act like you deserve some respect.

Second, the Body Mass Index range is where you WANT to be. This scale takes into account, age, sex, height, build, etc, and gives a good idea of where you should be so that you can hopefully avoid the health risks that are involved with being both over AND under weight.

Third, you are taking your sampling of Asian women from malls around the United States? Hm, enough said...

I don't think you are the complete moron you set yourself up to be in your first post here, but come one, really, lets talk like big kids...

SavageMac
Dec 4, 2007, 05:38 PM
Not anymore. That type of food economic stopped right before the enlightenment period and is outlined by a lot of theorists, Conniff & Morazan for example. Check it out.

Today your "science" no longer applies.

Today "fat" means someone who eats the wrong kind of food or is physically lazy (barring medical conditions of course). It is not generally accepted as what is considered beautiful (times have changed).

nice try.:rolleyes:

xUKHCx
Dec 4, 2007, 05:44 PM
Granted that the theory is no longer applicable to todays society however the instinct that you call NATURE was developed through that manner and is very deep rooted. See Smith et al.

Dagless
Dec 4, 2007, 05:55 PM
Taking it back somewhat, afterall that is what you are doing, being fat is a mechanism to keep you alive. It stores energy from food that would otherwise be wasted. So when the primeval man saw a fat woman it meant that there was an abundance of food. An abundance of food means more chance of survival, more chance of survival means more chance of child birth. So NATURE is saying fat is attractive.

I am speaking behind science.

But that isn't the case anymore. Going off that you'd think overly hairy people would be attractive, or the best hunters would be more idolised than celebrities or even monkey's as we descend from them.

Something like that would have been taught or was in our subconscious as we were in caves or wherever. Our culture now tells us that being skinny is good (this isn't my thinking, btw), doctors tell us being in the right BMI range is good.

As for the fat Asian thing; there were plenty of overweight chinese and indian girls at my college. Maybe less so than caucasian though. It's not impossible for asian people to get overweight.