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nlivo
Dec 8, 2007, 01:30 AM
Its obvious the appletv isn't going very well so I reckon apple will (at macworld), update the appletv's hardware and software but also let all of the current users of the appletv update their software for free!! I reckon to get appletv going much better than what they are doing right now they would have to do that. what do you guys reckon will happen at macworld?? Do you guys see this happening??



SkyBell
Dec 8, 2007, 01:32 AM
Hasn't apple always provided free software updates (Unless it was a new version of OS X)?:confused:

cohibadad
Dec 8, 2007, 01:02 PM
1.0 --> 1.1 was free.

ScottFitz
Dec 8, 2007, 01:51 PM
I just am trying hard to see the benefit of AppleTV. I just don't use iTunes for buying movies. I buy DVD's and put them into my player. Great quality on the upconverting player at this point. I'll probably make the move to one of the high def formats as soon as I figure out which one is the "winner" of the war.

kjr39
Dec 8, 2007, 03:39 PM
I reckon AppleTV to go the way of the Newton.

dextertangocci
Dec 8, 2007, 04:14 PM
I reckon AppleTV to go the way of the Newton.

And that doesn't mean I will stop using it.. I love my Apple tv:)

R.Youden
Dec 8, 2007, 04:53 PM
The only way that I can see the AppleTV taking off is if they include some ability as a PVR style device.

Maybe a link up with Elgato?

The TV Shows from iTunes does not work so they might as well dump that and give everyone the chance to record what they want.

TuckBodi
Dec 8, 2007, 04:57 PM
The only way that I can see the AppleTV taking off is if they include some ability as a PVR style device.

Maybe a link up with Elgato?

The TV Shows from iTunes does not work so they might as well dump that and give everyone the chance to record what they want.


http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/EyeTV

koobcamuk
Dec 8, 2007, 04:58 PM
I think the only way for it to work is to be able to record TV ergo eyeTV.

nlivo
Dec 8, 2007, 08:22 PM
Hasn't apple always provided free software updates (Unless it was a new version of OS X)?:confused:

you miss understood me. Apple rarely make available the software to the previous model once they have updated the hardware of the product. I think they will update everything at macworld but I think they need to give the software update to all appletv users. I was referring to microsoft when they updated the zune, they gave the software update to the previous model which was very impressive.

Cave Man
Dec 8, 2007, 08:41 PM
Here's what I'd like to see:

1. 720 HD and standard DVD-def content with Dolby Digital or DTS (huge files, licensing issues, etc.).

2. Addition to Quicktime (i.e., Back Row) the ability to passthrough DD and/or DTS through the optical port for true 5.1 surround.

3. Integration of DVD Player app such that VOB files on hard drives can be used with ATV, as is currently doable with Front Row (true 5.1).

4. Maybe, possibly, hopefully a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD combo player as a USB add-on device in same form-factor. This would require additional software support in Back Row and should also include audio passthrough. Might need to downsize 1080? I don't know.

I don't think DVR capabilities would help me all that much anyway, since I have Eye TV Hybrid and it already integrates pretty seamlessly with the ATV.

jwt
Dec 8, 2007, 10:05 PM
A product requiring a HDTV should at least be able to play broadcast quality HD content. Why don't Apple start there? If they really want to start impressing people, they should at least collaborate with El Gato to make EyeTV work through ATV's already existing USB port. That's the least amount of effort I can think of to give it PVR capabilities.

hscottm
Dec 10, 2007, 04:58 PM
Here's what I'd like to see:
4. Maybe, possibly, hopefully a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD combo player as a USB add-on device in same form-factor. This would require additional software support in Back Row and should also include audio passthrough. Might need to downsize 1080? I don't know.


This got me thinking - I wonder whether Apple will release this as the external drive for the new ultraportable OR and appletv?

Cave Man
Dec 10, 2007, 05:11 PM
This got me thinking - I wonder whether Apple will release this as the external drive for the new ultraportable OR and appletv?

I don't know, but if they release it for the ATV, it'd have to work with all the Macs since it would be USB2 and only require an update to DVD App (including a rename). Heck, they could even put HDMI or component out on the thing and use the USB port to control the device from the ATV - perhaps send the ATV screen to the drive using the new Screen Sharing technology so that both the ATV screen and the BR/HD-DVD screens show up as one on the monitor's selected input. There are lots of possibilities; let's hope Apple comes through.

psychofreak
Dec 10, 2007, 05:22 PM
1.0 --> 1.1 was free.

But on the iPod, the 5.5G software could have been used on the 5G iPod, but search wasn't put on...

billabong
Dec 10, 2007, 08:06 PM
I reckon AppleTV to go the way of the Newton.

Once rentals and HD movies are introduce at MacWorld. Sales will take off, if anyone can do online rentals right it's Apple. Online rentals have been around for a while, but when Apple reinvents the system as they do with many ideas it will be a revolution.

synth3tik
Dec 10, 2007, 08:10 PM
Apple needs to kill the Apple TV. It is a go nowhere junk box.

stcanard
Dec 10, 2007, 08:28 PM
Rentals would certainly help in the US. The Apple TV is already dead everywhere else though.

I was interested in the idea when it was announced, thought it had the idea to change the way people watched TV. I haven't given it a second thought since. For me there is a single overriding issue: Whether the functionality changes of not they can't hide the fact that there is currently no content for it.

I get DVD's in the mail from Zip (Canadian netflix). Its much easier to watch those on a DVD player than it is to try and get it onto an Apple TV.

License agreements prevent me from buying or renting any content from iTunes, so that's non-starter.

I don't see enough worthwhile content on YouTube to justify a $349 dedicated YouTube playing box.

Likewise for Video podcasts.

As for streaming music Wii Transfer (http://www.riverfold.com/software/wiitransfer/) already streams iTunes playlists for me, without adding an extra box.

The only thing that can change this is rentals that offer a better value deal than the $24.95 / month subscription I get in the mail.

Since they can't even sell me a Pixar movie yet, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

mrkramer
Dec 10, 2007, 08:36 PM
Apple needs to kill the Apple TV. It is a go nowhere junk box.

I don't think that it is always the best thing to say that, the Apple TV could end up being like the iPod, people said similar things about it here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500).

Cave Man
Dec 10, 2007, 09:03 PM
Apple needs to kill the Apple TV. It is a go nowhere junk box.

Whatever. :rolleyes:

Halsey12
Dec 10, 2007, 10:44 PM
I just bought one tonight! It's going very well for me, except the Apple employee sold me the wrong audio cable... L and R to an iPod jack... Duh!

Mr9758
Dec 10, 2007, 10:53 PM
Some of us make excellent use out of the AppleTV and love it, me included. See this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=384485). I rent movies from Netflix, rip them in near-full quality and reference them in iTunes from a 1TB HD. It's fantastic to have hundreds of movies available at the press of a button and the quality of new movies will only increase when the ripping of BluRay and HD-DVD becomes more prevalent. Neither format will "win" and this method circumvents the need to choose, and most importantly, costs far less.

Cave Man
Dec 10, 2007, 11:04 PM
I just bought one tonight! It's going very well for me, except the Apple employee sold me the wrong audio cable... L and R to an iPod jack... Duh!

He must have been one of the Marty "Igor" Feldman (http://www.movieactors.com/characters/feldman.htm) geniuses. :D

billabong
Dec 11, 2007, 12:16 AM
Some of us make excellent use out of the AppleTV and love it, me included. See this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=384485). I rent movies from Netflix, rip them in near-full quality and reference them in iTunes from a 1TB HD. It's fantastic to have hundreds of movies available at the press of a button and the quality of new movies will only increase when the ripping of BluRay and HD-DVD becomes more prevalent. Neither format will "win" and this method circumvents the need to choose, and most importantly, costs far less.

I completely agree with you. I support HD DVD thought, and the rest of the blu only titles are on my AppleTV....

If Apple would hurry with the HD content, they could be a contender in this format war.

godslabrat
Dec 11, 2007, 12:29 AM
If Apple would hurry with the HD content, they could be a contender in this format war.

I know I'd certainly like to have a way to rent 720p (or better) movies. I'd always prefer to have a physical disc, but if I can get an HD movie for a few days (to later decide if I want it on BR/HDDVD) I'd certainly give up a few iTunes points for that.

But it'd have to be VERY few. I don't mind paying, but I really don't think I should have to pay more than half what it would cost me to go to the video store and rent the thing.

billabong
Dec 11, 2007, 01:10 AM
I know I'd certainly like to have a way to rent 720p (or better) movies. I'd always prefer to have a physical disc, but if I can get an HD movie for a few days (to later decide if I want it on BR/HDDVD) I'd certainly give up a few iTunes points for that.

But it'd have to be VERY few. I don't mind paying, but I really don't think I should have to pay more than half what it would cost me to go to the video store and rent the thing.

it's so close to being perfect, I think at MacWorld they will announce the rentals and AppleTV will double in sales... Apple knows what they have to do, now it's up to them.

markfc
Dec 11, 2007, 02:04 AM
Apple needs to kill the Apple TV. It is a go nowhere junk box.

Have you tried the AppleTV?
Mine is used daily, it's amazing.

nlivo
Dec 11, 2007, 04:07 AM
the appletv forums annoy me so much. Whatever thread you start it'll turn into a discussion as to how apple can make the appletv better. My question is (in the starting post) if apple will update the appletv software for all appletv users for free if they update the hardware along with the software????

tronic72
Dec 11, 2007, 05:06 AM
Have you tried the AppleTV?
Mine is used daily, it's amazing.

I second that.

I've previously posted that in the past I was one of the knockers of the Apple TV. I just didn't "get it". As a reseller, I finally got one and it's now my favourite and most frequently used Hi-Fi component. From what I've seen nearly ALL users who purchase the Apple TV love it. I seldom see negative comments about the Apple TV from owners of the product, instead lots of "tire kickers" who don't own them.

Although the Apple TV would be better with a few features, it does what it does brilliantly.

I also agree that Apple has been a bit slack with software updates and this hasn't helped it's cause. Apple hasn't marketed the product at all well.Punters simply don't know how good the product is and Apple has it's fault to blame for this. When was the last time we saw a media blitz on the Apple TV? NEVER. (Not in Australia).

For all those who keep whinging about the features it lacks do yourself and favour and try get a loan of one for a week. You'll find the features it DOES have make it a great (not perfect) device for getting your media from your Mac to your TV.

Conclusion; Don't knock it until you've used it.

MikieMikie
Dec 11, 2007, 05:29 AM
the appletv forums annoy me so much. Whatever thread you start it'll turn into a discussion as to how apple can make the appletv better. My question is (in the starting post) if apple will update the appletv software for all appletv users for free if they update the hardware along with the software????

It has been Apple's "policy" to continuously update hardware with software fixes. Whether they develop and make available new functionality typically depends: if there is no harm to them, if they do not lose sales on a newer piece of hardware, they will make the new features available to existing hardware owners. That assumes that the old hardware can run the new software.

Apple will update AppleTV for free as long as the hardware can support the update. If, for example, they were creating a new AppleTV for Macworld introduction -- IF -- that had, say, a Blu-ray disk in it, defeated copy protection and then encoded it to your AppleTV hard drive, then the software that performed those tasks would be useless to you.

Apple has, in recent history, focused on new features that enable users to spend more money with Apple. Their focus on ITMS-WiFi for the iPod and iPhone while neglecting obvious demands from consumers for cut and paste, etc., shows the focus of recent software "updates."

As a very happy AppleTV owner, I couldn't care less if they update it ever again. But if -- IF -- they have video online on-demand rentals in the works, you can be sure every AppleTV will have the opportunity to upgrade.

As I $aid before, $omething $eem$ to be driving Apple'$ update$. Wonder what it could be? :confused:

-- Mikie

dextertangocci
Dec 12, 2007, 01:41 PM
Apple needs to kill the Apple TV. It is a go nowhere junk box.


I think you are very clever... NAAAAAT!!!!!!!!