Adobe Creative Suite Announced

[MacRumors]

Today, Adobe has announced (http://www.adobe.com/) the Adobe Creative Suite (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/main.html).

The new Creative Suite comes in two versions - the Premium Edition and Standard edition.

Standard Edition ($999) includes Photoshop CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html), Illustrator CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/main.html), InDesign CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/main.html) and Version Cue, while the Premium Edition ($1229) also includes GoLive CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/golive/main.html) and Acrobat 6.0 Professional.

The new CS versions of Adobe's tools are also available for seperate individual purchase and upgrade.

[danielgrenell]

holy crap! this is momentous!

[Macette]

i like their new design... i hate the indesign icon in my dock. it bugs me. these new colours look pretty - i'm sure the icons will be much improved.

but i suspect i will not fork out $2000 just for the priviledge of new icons... :)

[JtheLemur]

Hmmmm. So is Photoshop CS an offically NEW version (like, an 8.0) or is it just like an 'interim' release? Hard to tell from the site...

[acj]

this IS a major release! It has integrated camera RAW support! Before you had to buy adobe camera raw for $99. It has many other cool looking features as well!

AND 16 BIT EDITING FINALY!

[nanosound]

Yeah, all we need is more barnd confusion!

Well Macromedia had to release 2004 MX after 2004.

What will follow after CS? CSI? CS 2004? Dontcha love the marketers?

And does anyone know if Livemotion is dead?

[Ramsos]

Very interesting, when you look at the photoshop CS tour everything is shown in OSX very cool!:D

[hokka]

Why do they have to go the MX route, I see this whole "suite" or "studio" thing as a scam, sure it saves you money but it's trying to lock you in either Adobe or Macromedia.... I guess if you can't fight them - join them (for Adobe)

[cb911]

wow! looks good. 16 bit editing should be good... and the histogram palette should be handy.

can't wait to try it out!! :D

[Oirectine]

From the system requirements:

Mac OS X v.10.2.4 through v.10.2.7 with Java Runtime Environment 1.4.1

Where's the 10.2.8 support?:rolleyes:

[nacl99]

Originally posted by hokka
Why do they have to go the MX route, I see this whole "suite" or "studio" thing as a scam, sure it saves you money but it's trying to lock you in either Adobe or Macromedia.... I guess if you can't fight them - join them (for Adobe)

For Professionals Macromedia is just not an option, except Flash Director and Dreamweaver... The Rest is Crap

Oh and I'd like to throw a little BO-YAH in the face of Quark (I love InDesign and printers seem to love it too, and CS looks great!)

[robotrenegade]

And does anyone know if Livemotion is dead?

HAHA, better question why did they make it. CS looks pimp ass all ****. I can't wait to try these out on my new G5.

[andrewh]

I wonder how long until they completely drop their big loser that is LiveMotion. Man did that one ever blow. Can't fault Adobe for the four in the suite though, they're all some of the best programs ever made.

I think this is definitely a revenue generating change in marketing. Looking at the new feature lists in each application reveals less than revolutionary changes. Valuable, but small upgrades for full upgrade price. I knew this was coming since they were quiet for so long. Time to buy even more software...

[acj]

Originally posted by andrewh
Looking at the new feature lists in each application reveals less than revolutionary changes. Valuable, but small upgrades for full upgrade price. I knew this was coming since they were quiet for so long. Time to buy even more software...
For some, the upgrade would be worth $500. Depends on the business. Almost every new photoshop feature is one I've been waiting for for a long time. I'll be ordering my copy ASAP.

[nanosound]

So why does Livemotion get such a bad rap? It has pretty good interface.

[andrewh]

Originally posted by acj
For some, the upgrade would be worth $500. Depends on the business. Almost every new photoshop feature is one I've been waiting for for a long time. I'll be ordering my copy ASAP.

Yeah I'll be upgrading as well. I use all four of those apps, Photoshop and Illustrator every day. I also love InDesign and Golive. I somewhat retract my original position after reading the what's new PDF's on Adobe's site. Some cool stuff and the interfaces are beautiful. I wish Macromedia could have made Flash MX 2004 look as good. It's clearly inferior in comparison (the UI only). So awkward.

[groovebuster]

Talking about prices... The german version costs 500.- € more in the Adobe store than the english version...

So far about pissing off customers. In the past the localized versions were always a little bit more expensive, but 50% is a joke! :mad:

groovebuster

[.a]

i miss it saying: this is ps version 8 - we name it new: this is ps cs.
.a

[gif32]

Check that out! But I am a total sucker because last week (when I bought my first mac - a new 15" Powerbook) I got the Adobe Design Collection from my campus resller as well. I paid the education price ($352.90). Assuming I qualify under Adobe's cost-of-shipping upgrade policy (I think it's a 30 day guarantee on new versions), which CS package will they offer me? My current Design Collection has Acrobat and GoLive, but if I'm correct retail for that product was $1000. The new $1000 release does not include Acrobt or GoLive. Anyone have any more reliable info than my speculation? I better get the "professional" package and the guy on the phone better have been serious when he told me I could get an almost-free upgrade.

I had been watching this site religiously to keep up on the Powerbook update, but I never once thought to check before laying down the $$ for Adobe.

[Phil Of Mac]

Are version numbers just not good enough for those maniacs anymore?

[nacl99]

Originally posted by andrewh
Yeah I'll be upgrading as well. I use all four of those apps, Photoshop and Illustrator every day. I also love InDesign and Golive. I somewhat retract my original position after reading the what's new PDF's on Adobe's site. Some cool stuff and the interfaces are beautiful. I wish Macromedia could have made Flash MX 2004 look as good. It's clearly inferior in comparison (the UI only). So awkward.

One of the big reasons Macromedia Progs look so bad is a while back Adobe sued them about using Palettes, so that had a chilling effect on making the interface like Adobe.

Don't know if thats good or bad, I wish Adobe would just buy them so we wouldn't have to use two different companies.

[vwcruisn]

So does photoshop cs, illustrator cs and indesign cs = photoshop 8, illustrator 11 and indesgin 3??? Im confused :confused:

[ryanide]

From the order page on the adobe website, there is only an upgrade listed for windows at $169. The Mac version is only listed in the Full Version or Creative Suites.....???? Why is that?

Are they forcing mac users to upgrade to the Suite?


Photoschop CS look great. Too bad they couldn't just build the Image Ready into Photoshop without having it be a seperate program. Fireworks still kicks PS for web stuff anyway.....

And why do they even bother with GoLive? They should have put that to bed years ago.

[gotohamish]

I can't believe that the long rumoured PRODUCT ACTIVATION is in this version... but WINDOWS ONLY.

Finally, a PC user will HAVE to be jealous of Photoshop on a Mac.

[negrito]

this is a rebranding of software. instead of showing the legacy of a software by version numbers they are masking its legacy by some letters. this makes it feels much newer than just an uninteresting jump from 7 to 8.

some people in this thread already posted this experience by asking if this is a whole new version or just photoshop 8.

the problem behind this is just the one seen with the macromedia products. they had to come back to the "year naming scheme" and now it is some sort of strange naming scheme.

i think windows 95 began with the years and also began with the letters...or was it macromedia? :D

also apple did this with the new mac os, instead of putting a big 10 they put an X. at least this X is useful as it is the roman sign for ten. ;)

[true777]

I, for one, actually also like LiveMotion quite a bit, mostly for its simplicity and the fact that it's not a convoluted, overblown colossus when I just need something quick, lean, and straightforward.

I was shocked to see that OS 9 is not supported anymore :(

Yes, I know that now I have "loser" stamped all over me for my love of OS 9,
but I'll probably be the last person on earth to switch - just don't like OSX and try to avoid it. I love the minimalist nature of the classic OS. Ah, I wish OSX had an optional appearance scheme that made it look much like OS 9... but that's another thread...

In any case, no OS 9 support means I'll stick with PS 7 for now :(

[Dahl]

Originally posted by negrito
this is a rebranding of software. instead of showing the legacy of a software by version numbers they are masking its legacy by some letters. this makes it feels much newer than just an uninteresting jump from 7 to 8.

You are probably right, the name change might also get some people thinking the new release is extra special or different, since it has a new name.
I just hope PS is worth the upgrade, I feel like I just bought PS 7.

[Bengt77]

Anyone else who finds the 'CS' addition just sounds cheap-a$$? I don't think it distinguishes the apps from the former ones in a positive, 'futuristic' way with those stupid, fugly letters; I actually think it cheapens Adobe as a whole. I didn't like the 'MX' additions for the Macromedia Studio apps either (and still don't). Always I thought of Adobe as a company that stood above (a lot of) the others and was kind of classy. Well, not anymore, I guess.

:rolleyes:

Time to move on? Or will PS CS proof to actually be an improvement over PS 7? (Just not in the naming.) And yes, I agree with most here, the 'CS' thingy is confusing. Are these new apps (indeed) PS 8, AI 11, ID 3 and GL 7?

:confused:

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by true777
I, for one, actually also like LiveMotion quite a bit, mostly for its simplicity and the fact that it's not a convoluted, overblown colossus when I just need something quick, lean, and straightforward.

I was shocked to see that OS 9 is not supported anymore :(

Yes, I know that now I have "loser" stamped all over me for my love of OS 9,
but I'll probably be the last person on earth to switch - just don't like OSX and try to avoid it. I love the minimalist nature of the classic OS. Ah, I wish OSX had an optional appearance scheme that made it look much like OS 9... but that's another thread...

In any case, no OS 9 support means I'll stick with PS 7 for now :(

hey i am with you on the os 9 thing...i also like it better than os x

and when i use PCs, i like windows 98 better than windows XP but it comes down to my being more familiar with the older os:p

[Jerry Spoon]

Originally posted by vwcruisn
So does photoshop cs, illustrator cs and indesign cs = photoshop 8, illustrator 11 and indesgin 3??? Im confused :confused:

Looks like it. I checked the education pricing for ps and it listed ps cs as version 8. All the rest would probably follow suite.

Also, a $169 upgrade for ps. I like that number. I'm thinking about upgrading.

[airmac]

man, they eliminate Pagemaker..:mad:

now that's a bummer if you ask me...yeah i'm also using indesign but nothing can compete with the speed of Pagemaker. This is the ONLY thing preventing our company for jumping on os X. And what happened to Babushka?!

And no os 9 adobe collection upgrade...

:confused:

[suzerain]

Originally posted by ryanide
From the order page on the adobe website, there is only an upgrade listed for windows at $169. The Mac version is only listed in the Full Version or Creative Suites.....???? Why is that?

Are they forcing mac users to upgrade to the Suite?




i had to respond to this, and quote it, because this is pissing me off, too!

on this page (http://www.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catPhotoshop) there is no OS X upgrade available for photoshop!

only the whole suite is available for OS X users. i hope this is an error, because i don't want anything else from adobe except photoshop!

[Aeolius]

Without LiveMotion, GoLive just doesn't seem worth upgrading.

Sure they added tighter integration with Photoshop and Illustrator; neither of which I use, at this time. I switched over to PhotoPAINT and CorelDRAW awhile back. Granted, unless Corel gets its act together and either sells Bryce or reinstates Mac development, I may switch over to Freehand.

When creating a webpage, GoLive needs to have the ease one finds with .Mac and the speed one associates with a blogging application.

Oh well. Guess I'll wait for a few GoLive reviews to come out and for Adobe to officially announce their plans for LiveMotion, before I consider upgrading.

[mproud]

I can't believe it.
Venus no longer graces the Illustrator box.

http://service.pcconnection.com/images/inhouse/249384.jpg ----> http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/images_gen/illustratorbox.gif

She was quite an icon. Everyone associated her with the Illustrator product. She was a synonym for beauty and a masterpiece. She was with us from as far as time can remember. And although she underwent cosmetic changes from release to release, she always remained, in one shape or form - and we loved her.

As quoted from Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Illustrator):

"For reasons unknown, Adobe has chosen to licence Sandro Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus" from the Bettmann Archive and use the portion containing Venus' face as Illustrator's branding image. Over the years, the rendition of this image on Illustrator's splash screen has become more refined as Illustrator gains new features. It's reasonable to assume that Adobe wanted Illustrator to be perceived as a professional product for discriminating artists. "


http://www.oftheeising.com/images/500/adobe88.jpg
http://www.desktoppublishing.com/reviews/ill7box.jpghttp://www.dtpstudio.cz/obchod/adobe/img/illustrator.jpghttp://www.roliva.com/pix/illustrator.jpg

[buseman]

Originally posted by Oirectine
From the system requirements:

Mac OS X v.10.2.4 through v.10.2.7 with Java Runtime Environment 1.4.1

Where's the 10.2.8 support?:rolleyes:

I guess 10.2.8 was too ****ed up even by their standards :D

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by mproud
I can't believe it.
Venus no longer graces the Illustrator box.

She was quite an icon. Everyone associated her with the Illustrator product. She was a synonym for beauty and a masterpiece. She was with us from as far as time can remember. And although she underwent cosmetic changes from release to release, she always remained, in one shape or form - and we loved her.



That is quite sad - and I really don't like the new box imagery at all - it doesn't look all that special and definitely not like Adobe. I wonder what caused the change....

D

[Pablo]

I called Adobe's sales office and they do in fact have aPhotoshop upgrade for the Mac. Same price $169 - again, only available for pre-order.

Unfortunately, at the time, the product numbers haven't made it into their system, so the salesperson will have to call be back later when it's available.

[Photorun]

For the life of me I can't figure out why people clicked this as a "Negative" on the MacRumors first page. What's negative about spiffy new product? My guess are either it's Adobe haters or OS 9 users who are now out in the cold, hey OS 9 users, you were holding up the OS X versions from being better in OS X, deal with it, you're working on a legacy OS! Anyways, these product upgrades are good and with the OS X versions written from the ground up for OS X they should now be reaching their stride. Amen.

[MikeH]

I'm suprised at some peoples responces to the fact the new Photoshop is OSX only - Adobe said it would be months ago. Added to that Big Steve has told developers Mac OS 9 is dead (his words) and not to develop for it anymore. So why the suprise at a lack of OS 9 support?

As for the lack of a Mac upgrade, well it's listed on the Adobe Europe website (same price as the Windows UG), so I'm pretty sure it'll be available in elseware too.

[machan]

As for the apps being OS X only, I'm fine with it. It will hopefully light a fire under the people who make our RIP software to finally get the OS X version of their software out (I work at a small printing company using Rampage).

As for the Photoshop CS instead of 8 tag, it's pretty lame. Maybe they should have rebranded it BS because the new features look kind of weak.

[zebra451]

I found the price for the new version to be $299 for EDU folks! The CS version is only $100 more. And yes, it does list Photoshop as vesion 8. http://www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/education_pricing.html

[Bear]

Originally posted by gotohamish
I can't believe that the long rumoured PRODUCT ACTIVATION is in this version... but WINDOWS ONLY.

Finally, a PC user will HAVE to be jealous of Photoshop on a Mac. Possibly this happened because most of the software pirating is on the Windows side?

[aarond12]

Uh, excuse me, but did I misread several posts? People were getting excited about editing 16bpp images?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that functionality has been around since at least Photoshop 6...

-Aaron-

[Armsreach]

Looking through the new features on these programs, I personally feel that the new PS version is more similar to a 7.5 than a v.8. Yeah, there's 16-bit editting and some other features, but nothing as revolutionary as the brush palette in v.7. However, the upgrades to Illustrator and InDesign look wonderful, and I am really excited about them.

[Bear]

Originally posted by aarond12
Uh, excuse me, but did I misread several posts? People were getting excited about editing 16bpp images?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that functionality has been around since at least Photoshop 6...

-Aaron-
Yes, it has been around, but it's only been partially functional. Only some of the features and filters worked.

Now most if not all of the features and filters work in 16bpp.

[dongmin]

I don't know about photoshop, but the illustrator upgrade is really weak. Some of the type features are nice, but that's about it from what I can tell. The 3d feature is ridiculous. With the proliferation of 3d programs, what pro would seriously use it for their work?

The InDesign upgrade is only a little better. They're asking a lot of money for a few decent features. I'm curious to see if their claims for speed enhancements are legit. Anyone try a pre-release version of these programs?

[segastyle]

so this means that pirating should be cut down a lot... so they can lower their prices down to reasonable amounts, right?

i mean, wasn't pirating of software one of the original reasons they made their prices so high to begin with?

:p

[FlamDrag]

Originally posted by mproud
I can't believe it.
Venus no longer graces the Illustrator box.

The entire packaging scheme for the product line is very Apple inspired if you ask me. Adobe put an interesting spin on it with the masks which are generated from the image which they are masking. Fundamentally, (without seeing them in person) the boxes seem well-designed, but they don't get me in my gut. Overall, I'm not a big fan.

This has nothing to do with the software contained inside...

[alia]

Originally posted by gif32
Check that out! But I am a total sucker because last week (when I bought my first mac - a new 15" Powerbook) I got the Adobe Design Collection from my campus resller as well. I paid the education price ($352.90). Assuming I qualify under Adobe's cost-of-shipping upgrade policy (I think it's a 30 day guarantee on new versions), which CS package will they offer me? My current Design Collection has Acrobat and GoLive, but if I'm correct retail for that product was $1000. The new $1000 release does not include Acrobt or GoLive. Anyone have any more reliable info than my speculation? I better get the "professional" package and the guy on the phone better have been serious when he told me I could get an almost-free upgrade.

I had been watching this site religiously to keep up on the Powerbook update, but I never once thought to check before laying down the $$ for Adobe.

If you look, the new EDU version is the Premium, which means i comes with those two apps. And, it's only $399... pretty sweet!

Alia

[cljmac]

well it was nice to see there 1.41 minute flash demo was using os10 and not windows....

[Pedro Estarque]

how about speed ?
Is CS finally back to the speed PS5 was?
I always thought PS7 was a real snail

[paulc]

A LOT of the professional photo-journalists I know universally have issues with printing in X; especially with Epson printers (mostly the 1280, a real workhorse for that market). To get them actually running X, I "taught" them you CAN have 2 copies of Photoshop, one for editing in X and one set to "open in Classic." They use THAT one to print, the X one to edit. 8 being X only means this "trick" will no longer work with 2 copies of 8. Yes, I supposed one can mix 7 and 8, but I'd bet dollars to donuts they mostly will not upgrade.

Add in 170 bucks for the upgrade, and I just don't see at least one big part of the professional market going for the upgrade (or going for it with pirated versions). For me, if they DID have any and all adjustments to an image being able to put on adjustment layers, it might have been worth it. Not sure if this is what is being called "Filter Layers," logic tells me that's it. So absent that, what's compelling about 8?

[kujo770]

Originally posted by robotrenegade
HAHA, better question why did they make it. CS looks pimp ass all ****. I can't wait to try these out on my new G5.

Apple updated their main page to highlight this Adobe announcement. It specifically says "Optimized for the G5."

[pwfletcher]

Version numbers from Apple's website:

Creative Suite Premium Includes:

Contains Adobe Photoshop CS (8), Illustrator CS (11), Acrobat Professional CS (6) InDesign CS (3) and GoLive CS (7).

[reiggin]

Originally posted by paulc
A LOT of the professional photo-journalists I know universally have issues with printing in X; especially with Epson printers (mostly the 1280, a real workhorse for that market). To get them actually running X, I "taught" them you CAN have 2 copies of Photoshop, one for editing in X and one set to "open in Classic."

There are other ways to get an Epson 1280 to print in OS X. Search around the web. Hacks for official Epson drivers like the 800 series make it possible to use the 1280 natively, IIRC. I have a friend who has done it and now he loves his 1280 along with PS 7 and OS X. It can be done but it takes some work with Hex editting. I know there are some walkthroughs available online. Just google around till you find them. No need to panic here, folks.

Let's not forget, too, that this is Epson's fault, not Adobe or Apple. Epson, as per usual with them, insists on offering minimal support for their discontinued models. They make quality hardware but their drivers and continued lack of software support will drive a person mad.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by nacl99
One of the big reasons Macromedia Progs look so bad is a while back Adobe sued them about using Palettes, so that had a chilling effect on making the interface like Adobe.

Don't know if thats good or bad, I wish Adobe would just buy them so we wouldn't have to use two different companies.

When Adobe and Aldus merged, Freehand and Photostyler had to be let go because they would allow the new company to monopolise the market. I doubt that the FTC or the EU would allow Adobe and Macromedia to exist as one.

Nice to see that they've updated things once again. Hope everything is quick and usable.

[Dahl]

Originally posted by dongmin
I don't know about photoshop, but the illustrator upgrade is really weak. Some of the type features are nice, but that's about it from what I can tell. The 3d feature is ridiculous. With the proliferation of 3d programs, what pro would seriously use it for their work? The InDesign upgrade is only a little better. They're asking a lot of money for a few decent features. I'm curious to see if their claims for speed enhancements. Anyone try a pre-release version of these programs?
I agree, where's the beef ?
I seemed like Adobe rushed an upgrade of Illustrator just so it would be ready for the suite. :( PS is their baby ( and moneymaker ) so they probably focus on that and just hope people won't see the other products are lacking.

The new boxes are not bad, you just have to get used to their new look, but I will miss the Illustrator box too.

Now that Livemotion is nowhere to be seen, Adobe and Macromedia seem to be living together without any catfights, I wonder if either have new products coming in the future what will give each other some new competition ?

An early close look:
http://www.corporatemedianews.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2003/09_sep/features/adobecs030929.htm
Again, all OS X screenshots. :)

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Aeolius
Without LiveMotion, GoLive just doesn't seem worth upgrading.

Sure they added tighter integration with Photoshop and Illustrator; neither of which I use, at this time. I switched over to PhotoPAINT and CorelDRAW awhile back. Granted, unless Corel gets its act together and either sells Bryce or reinstates Mac development, I may switch over to Freehand.

When creating a webpage, GoLive needs to have the ease one finds with .Mac and the speed one associates with a blogging application.

Oh well. Guess I'll wait for a few GoLive reviews to come out and for Adobe to officially announce their plans for LiveMotion, before I consider upgrading. I've been using GoLive since version 4 and though I like it, I've had major problems with it. I too will wait for reviews, but I'm feeling more and more sucked in by Dreamweaver. I used Dreamweaver 3 some years ago and thought it was so simple to use. Never had that feeling with GoLive. GoLive is very slow on my mac.

Love PhotoShop.

Don't Love Illustrator... Too awkward to use.

LiveMotion was great. :(
Seems as though they integrated some livemotion features into ImageReady.

[Phil Of Mac]

Switch to Dreamweaver MX 2004. I switched to MX and never looked back. It is far, far better than GoLive.

[greenstork]

Originally posted by Photorun
hey OS 9 users, you were holding up the OS X versions from being better in OS X, deal with it, you're working on a legacy OS!

I happen to work for a non-profit that can't afford a new computer to run OS X. My iMac 333MHz simply doesn't cut it. While I realize that I am in the minority as it pertains to design, I think your comment is rather callous and slightly ingnorant. So, sorry we're poor and holding up your software development but I think you need to get a grip on real world users.

[jasonbw]

Originally posted by airmac
man, they eliminate Pagemaker..:mad:

now that's a bummer if you ask me...yeah i'm also using indesign but nothing can compete with the speed of Pagemaker.

Well, adobe killed pagemaker a year or two ago when they said that v7 was going to be the last. I do agree completely with that sentiment, as much as i love indesign, pagemaker is way faster, even through classic.

Of course, there was that rumor a few months ago about a photoshop elements-type version of indesign, possibly with the pagemaker title somehow used in the name. that'd be a great program, it'd prevent people from having to buy publisher (and sending me the damn files).

Has anyone tried Indesign 3 yet? is it noticably faster?

[nacl99]

Originally posted by segastyle
so this means that pirating should be cut down a lot... so they can lower their prices down to reasonable amounts, right?

i mean, wasn't pirating of software one of the original reasons they made their prices so high to begin with?

:p

I'm wonder how exactly the process works.
And don't worry there will be a crack in no time, I've seen every single product activation kind of thing cracked on the PC, don't know how this will crack down on pirating at all, just annoying.

[nacl99]

Originally posted by greenstork
I happen to work for a non-profit that can't afford a new computer to run OS X. My iMac 333MHz simply doesn't cut it. While I realize that I am in the minority as it pertains to design, I think your comment is rather callous and slightly ingnorant. So, sorry we're poor and holding up your software development but I think you need to get a grip on real world users.

Not to be rude, but if you can't afford a new Mac, how could you afford all the adobe upgrades overtime?

The OS9 argument makes no sense, you want the newest cutting edge adobe software. BUT you want it to work on your old ass legacy OS9.

Following that line of thinking, I'm frankly pissed off that the new photoshop doesn't support MS-DOS!

[Insatiable]

And yet, another version of Illustrator without multiple-page document capability. Anybody want to tell Adobe that we have officially entered a new millennium?

[andrewh]

Originally posted by Insatiable
And yet, another version of Illustrator without multiple-page document capability. Anybody want to tell Adobe that we have officially entered a new millennium?

They have a program for that, it's called "InDesign"....

I agree it would be nice but it's really an illustration program. Designed for creating artwork, single page layouts, etc. Just as Photoshop is for image editing and doesn't have multiple page layouts. They have a specific tool for the job. And while it might be frustrating they can't throw in the kitchen sink into every program. Plus they wouldn't sell as much software either!

Your Illustrator artwork will import seamlessly into InDesign. It does already. I have to do this to make multipage PDF's.

[plastree]

With these products being osX exclusive, I wonder if Adobe has replaced some of the carbon code with cocoa. Illustrator 10 is so unbelievably sloowww I can't believe it was ever released. Photoshop 7's performance is acceptable, although it sucks at opening files. I've never used InDesign, but I hear it's embarrassingly pokey as well. If these new versions exhibit significant speed boosts, they'll be worth the upgrade price for that alone.

[Dahl]

Originally posted by plastree
[B]With these products being osX exclusive, I wonder if Adobe has replaced some of the carbon code with cocoa. Illustrator 10 is so unbelievably sloowww I can't believe it was ever released. Photoshop 7's performance is acceptable, although it sucks at opening files. I've never used InDesign, but I hear it's embarrassingly pokey as well. If these new versions exhibit significant speed boosts, they'll be worth the upgrade price for that alone.
I want more than just speed boosts and bug fixes.
I feel like like Adobe and MM is relasing upgrades all the time now, maybe they have had this release schedule all the time ? ( I have only noticed this recently. )
Illustrator 10 was a disappointment as you say, it was slow and many pro users were still using v.8 for their bread and butter work, since it was fast.

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by cljmac
well it was nice to see there 1.41 minute flash demo was using os10 and not windows....

Quite nice, especially since Adobe said in the Spring that they preferred Windows based PCs to Macs.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Dahl
I feel like like Adobe and MM is relasing upgrades all the time now, maybe they have had this release schedule all the time ?

I don't know, but MX 2004 uses CSS for all formatting. Well worth the upgrade. I'm contemplating it...

[Pablo]

The Mac upgrade is now on their website.

http://www.adobe.com/store/products/master.jhtml?id=catPhotoshop

[aafuss1]

Originally posted by Macrumors
Today, Adobe has announced (http://www.adobe.com/) the Adobe Creative Suite (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/main.html).

The new Creative Suite comes in two versions - the Premium Edition and Standard edition.

Standard Edition ($999) includes Photoshop CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html), Illustrator CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/illustrator/main.html), InDesign CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/main.html) and Version Cue, while the Premium Edition ($1229) also includes GoLive CS (http://www.adobe.com/products/golive/main.html) and Acrobat 6.0 Professional.

The new CS versions of Adobe's tools are also available f
or
seperate individual purchase and upgrade.

The new packaging is great-and CS is awonderful way to version numbering.

[Insatiable]

Originally posted by andrewh

They have a program for that, it's called "InDesign"....

I agree it would be nice but it's really an illustration program. Designed for creating artwork, single page layouts, etc. Just as Photoshop is for image editing and doesn't have multiple page layouts. They have a specific tool for the job. And while it might be frustrating they can't throw in the kitchen sink into every program.

Illustrator is a flexible and powerful program which is missing a very basic--and easy to implement--feature. I didn't ask for the kitchen sink in every Adobe program; I asked for multiple-page documents in Illustrator now that we're hitting, y'know, verison 11! And since when do MPD's constitute "the kitchen sink?" If that's the case, what does the new 3-D modeling feature constitute?


Plus they wouldn't sell as much software either!

Isn't the point of the whole "CS" strategy to avoid this scenario? And if Adobe thinks that MPD's in Illustrator will hurt InDesign sales that much then they should just go ahead and concede the page-layout battle to Quark. I though InDesign had more going for it than that.

Your Illustrator artwork will import seamlessly into InDesign. It does already. I have to do this to make multipage PDF's.

And if Illustrator had MPD's, you wouldn't have to do this, now would you? Case closed.

[Phil Of Mac]

Import into Quark you sissies!!!!!!

Um...never mind.

[andrewh]

Dude don't be so sensitive just because the program doesn't do exactly what you want it to and someone disagrees with you. I guess you missed the concept of "Suite" in "Creative Suite". Each application complements each other and is designed to be the right tool for the job. InDesign has much more sophisted pre-press functionality for sending jobs to the printer which is why it is a full featured page layout program. Just take a second and think about it from Adobe's point of view. The selling software comment of mine was completely tongue in cheek. Lighten up.



Originally posted by Insatiable
Originally posted by andrewh

They have a program for that, it's called "InDesign"....

I agree it would be nice but it's really an illustration program. Designed for creating artwork, single page layouts, etc. Just as Photoshop is for image editing and doesn't have multiple page layouts. They have a specific tool for the job. And while it might be frustrating they can't throw in the kitchen sink into every program.

Illustrator is a flexible and powerful program which is missing a very basic--and easy to implement--feature. I didn't ask for the kitchen sink in every Adobe program; I asked for multiple-page documents in Illustrator now that we're hitting, y'know, verison 11! And since when do MPD's constitute "the kitchen sink?" If that's the case, what does the new 3-D modeling feature constitute?


Plus they wouldn't sell as much software either!

Isn't the point of the whole "CS" strategy to avoid this scenario? And if Adobe thinks that MPD's in Illustrator will hurt InDesign sales that much then they should just go ahead and concede the page-layout battle to Quark. I though InDesign had more going for it than that.

Your Illustrator artwork will import seamlessly into InDesign. It does already. I have to do this to make multipage PDF's.

And if Illustrator had MPD's, you wouldn't have to do this, now would you? Case closed.

[airmac]

Originally posted by nacl99
Not to be rude, but if you can't afford a new Mac, how could you afford all the adobe upgrades overtime?

The OS9 argument makes no sense, you want the newest cutting edge adobe software. BUT you want it to work on your old ass legacy OS9.

Following that line of thinking, I'm frankly pissed off that the new photoshop doesn't support MS-DOS!

Not to be rude also, but there are rip softwares that are NOT working above os 8 and they charged over 12000 dollars for it and if your ass have to be fullfiled with the greatest and latest that's your personal issue...i voted negative because Adobe couldn't cut it with Pagemaker...btw we all have our personal reasons why we need specific softwares don't we?!

OS 9 is not dead.....:eek:

[airmac]

Originally posted by Insatiable
And yet, another version of Illustrator without multiple-page document capability. Anybody want to tell Adobe that we have officially entered a new millennium?

Hay, there is a plug in for multiple-page in Illustrator...

Just in case...

[airmac]

Originally posted by Pedro Estarque
how about speed ?
Is CS finally back to the speed PS5 was?
I always thought PS7 was a real snail

hehe, that's the main reason a stayed in os 9 combined with Photoshop 6....:D

[airmac]

Originally posted by reiggin
There are other ways to get an Epson 1280 to print in OS X. Search around the web. Hacks for official Epson drivers like the 800 series make it possible to use the 1280 natively, IIRC. I have a friend who has done it and now he loves his 1280 along with PS 7 and OS X. It can be done but it takes some work with Hex editting. I know there are some walkthroughs available online. Just google around till you find them. No need to panic here, folks.

Let's not forget, too, that this is Epson's fault, not Adobe or Apple. Epson, as per usual with them, insists on offering minimal support for their discontinued models. They make quality hardware but their drivers and continued lack of software support will drive a person mad.

Tell me about it...man, I can't believe how quickly people are forgetting how desperate they were when Apple force the majority to jump on OS X...lack of everything...not mentioning the speed..I own epson 1200 and after 2 years driver compatibility for os X suddenly shows up with tones of problems....the epson drivers are really weak ......the epson printer drivers in Mac OS X for a long time were unreliable, they often lost communication with the printer during a print job or they just printed half a page...but in os 9 I didn't encountered any problems...

man, i feel so alone here...

[Insatiable]

Originally posted by andrewh
Dude don't be so sensitive just because the program doesn't do exactly what you want it to and someone disagrees with you. I guess you missed the concept of "Suite" in "Creative Suite". Each application complements each other and is designed to be the right tool for the job. InDesign has much more sophisted pre-press functionality for sending jobs to the printer which is why it is a full featured page layout program. Just take a second and think about it from Adobe's point of view. The selling software comment of mine was completely tongue in cheek. Lighten up.

"Dude", I don't need full pre-press functionality (and never said I did!), I just need to be able to create multiple pages within one document. I don't want to turn Illustrator into InDesign; I just want to be able to create multiple versions of the same illustration within the same document in an organized, easy-to-print manner. Why would anybody not consider MPD's the "right" tool for the job?

I know what Adobe's point of view is, and I also know that lots of features overlap between the programs. Again, we're on Version 11. No more excuses.

Airmac: Thanks for the tip...I'm going to give HotDoor a try. Have you used it?

[true777]

Originally posted by nacl99

The OS9 argument makes no sense, you want the newest cutting edge adobe software. BUT you want it to work on your old ass legacy OS9.

Following that line of thinking, I'm frankly pissed off that the new photoshop doesn't support MS-DOS!

As stated before, this is pretty ignorant, not taking many users' personal constraints and requirements into account.

For example, a student or teacher might be able pay the $ 100 (or whatever it is) reduced education upgrade price, while not being able to fork out $ 1300 for the kind of new computer that would meet their needs.

Or... a school's department might get the upgrade for free through the school's site license, but might not be able to buy new computers for the department.

Plus, as stated by several users, there are many other reasons why people choose - or are necessitated to - postpone their switch to OSX. These users are now left out in the cold.

I wouldn't be complaining if this *was* the kind of outdated legacy OS nacl99 makes it sound to be, something ridiculous and exotic that hasn't been widely used for 6 years or something. But OS 9 was developed until 2 years ago, and there's tens of thousands of users who still use it everyday.

On the Windows side, they support Windows 2000, and I think folks would be pretty upset if they didn't. So if a few of us for whom OS 9 is part of their workday are disappointed about the lack of OS 9 support, I don't think we should be flamed for that.

[jefhatfield]

good points, true777

the windows/PC world still supports 98SE most of the time, too

i think os 9 still has at least another good year in it

[airmac]

Originally posted by Insatiable
"Dude", I don't need full pre-press functionality (and never said I did!), I just need to be able to create multiple pages within one document. I don't want to turn Illustrator into InDesign; I just want to be able to create multiple versions of the same illustration within the same document in an organized, easy-to-print manner. Why would anybody not consider MPD's the "right" tool for the job?

I know what Adobe's point of view is, and I also know that lots of features overlap between the programs. Again, we're on Version 11. No more excuses.

Airmac: Thanks for the tip...I'm going to give HotDoor a try. Have you used it?

Yes, Upd. Hot Door MultiPage for Illustrator 9 and 10...no problems at all in os 9, since i got it I dumbed the Freehand...btw i can mail it with user guide if you want to try it...

[serpicolugnut]

I happen to work for a non-profit that can't afford a new computer to run OS X. My iMac 333MHz simply doesn't cut it. While I realize that I am in the minority as it pertains to design, I think your comment is rather callous and slightly ingnorant. So, sorry we're poor and holding up your software development but I think you need to get a grip on real world users.

B.F.D. So you work for a non profit and they can't afford a new machine. That doesn't mean Adobe (or Apple for that matter) should continue to write software for your outdated hardware and software. What you have works for you so use it. What you have will not work with the latest and greatest software. So either adapt or become increasingly irrelevent. Of course, if the software and hardware you have already works fine, what are you complaining about?

Callous enough for you?

[serpicolugnut]

I wouldn't be complaining if this *was* the kind of outdated legacy OS nacl99 makes it sound to be, something ridiculous and exotic that hasn't been widely used for 6 years or something. But OS 9 was developed until 2 years ago, and there's tens of thousands of users who still use it everyday.

OS 9 is 19 year old operating system. It has been updated along the way, but it's basic foundation is ancient. The fact that Apple was able to stretch it out until 2 years ago is irrelevent.

On the Windows side, they support Windows 2000, and I think folks would be pretty upset if they didn't. So if a few of us for whom OS 9 is part of their workday are disappointed about the lack of OS 9 support, I don't think we should be flamed for that.

Windows 2000 is still a relatively new OS. It is built on WindowsNT, which was released in 1996. The reason Win2000 is still supported is because WindowsXP and 2000 are essentially the same beast. The other reason is because Windows 2000 has a huge installed base. Not supporting it would be commercial suicide.

You know, personally, it makes no difference to me what version of the Mac OS you use. But insisting that Adobe continue to support OS 9 is a lost cause. Why bother whining and moaning over a lost cause?

[Dr Zaius]

I heard that the files created with the CS line would not work in Quark.

Anyone know if there is any truth to that?

Thanks

[airmac]

Originally posted by serpicolugnut
OS 9 is 19 year old operating system. It has been updated along the way, but it's basic foundation is ancient. The fact that Apple was able to stretch it out until 2 years ago is irrelevent.



Windows 2000 is still a relatively new OS. It is built on WindowsNT, which was released in 1996. The reason Win2000 is still supported is because WindowsXP and 2000 are essentially the same beast. The other reason is because Windows 2000 has a huge installed base. Not supporting it would be commercial suicide.

You know, personally, it makes no difference to me what version of the Mac OS you use. But insisting that Adobe continue to support OS 9 is a lost cause. Why bother whining and moaning over a lost cause?

19 year old operating system...so what does that tells you?! Actually OS 9.2.2 is a rock solid system and just get over the fact that some of us "feel" no need at all for tons of fancy features in os X. I "see" more in os 9-period. And for the speed in jaguar only the dual G5 would satisfy me, if I'll find one under the christmas tree...well I'm a switcher.!!!...or maybe i'm just afraid of wild cats...:D

So why they even bother for supporting the Classic environment in panther ?!

i guees i'm still whining....

[Insatiable]

Originally posted by airmac
Yes, Upd. Hot Door MultiPage for Illustrator 9 and 10...no problems at all in os 9, since i got it I dumbed the Freehand...btw i can mail it with user guide if you want to try it...

Thanks. I just downloaded the demo and loaded it into Ill 10 on OSX. It's great! The one thing that would be nice is if the the Layers palette operated separately for each individual page, but this is a minor concern. I will buy this plug-in. Thanks for the recommendation.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by true777
I wouldn't be complaining if this *was* the kind of outdated legacy OS nacl99 makes it sound to be, something ridiculous and exotic that hasn't been widely used for 6 years or something. But OS 9 was developed until 2 years ago, and there's tens of thousands of users who still use it everyday.

On the Windows side, they support Windows 2000, and I think folks would be pretty upset if they didn't. So if a few of us for whom OS 9 is part of their workday are disappointed about the lack of OS 9 support, I don't think we should be flamed for that.

Microsoft supports Windows 2000 because Windows 2000 is only one major release back. That would be like Apple supporting Mac OS X 10.0.

Apple has a greater rate of OS innovation and release. In all terms other than the actual age in years, Mac OS 9 IS an outdated legacy OS.

If OS 9 works for you, great. If System 6 works for you, great. But that's just you, and part of using an outdated OS is not having the same support that the rest of us do. I've used Mac OS X since the Public Beta, and it's been my everyday boot OS since 10.0. On an iMac 233. And I still have Mac OS X running on my iMac 400. An iMac 333 can run Mac OS X, and it can run it fast enough now that what you lose in raw speed you make up for in multitasking and stability.

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by gotohamish
I can't believe that the long rumoured PRODUCT ACTIVATION is in this version... but WINDOWS ONLY.

Finally, a PC user will HAVE to be jealous of Photoshop on a Mac.

right, assuming your warez all your software :rolleyes:

[Jookbox]

Originally posted by true777
I, for one, actually also like LiveMotion quite a bit, mostly for its simplicity and the fact that it's not a convoluted, overblown colossus when I just need something quick, lean, and straightforward.

I was shocked to see that OS 9 is not supported anymore :(

Yes, I know that now I have "loser" stamped all over me for my love of OS 9,
but I'll probably be the last person on earth to switch - just don't like OSX and try to avoid it. I love the minimalist nature of the classic OS. Ah, I wish OSX had an optional appearance scheme that made it look much like OS 9... but that's another thread...

In any case, no OS 9 support means I'll stick with PS 7 for now :(

if you're using this software and hardware professionally you really should change your attitude.

[airmac]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Microsoft supports Windows 2000 because Windows 2000 is only one major release back. That would be like Apple supporting Mac OS X 10.0.

Apple has a greater rate of OS innovation and release. In all terms other than the actual age in years, Mac OS 9 IS an outdated legacy OS.

If OS 9 works for you, great. If System 6 works for you, great. But that's just you, and part of using an outdated OS is not having the same support that the rest of us do. I've used Mac OS X since the Public Beta, and it's been my everyday boot OS since 10.0. On an iMac 233. And I still have Mac OS X running on my iMac 400. An iMac 333 can run Mac OS X, and it can run it fast enough now that what you lose in raw speed you make up for in multitasking and stability.

Well i will use your own words..."If OS X works for you, great. But that's just you..." What's your point besides to annoy us os 9 users. Maybe some day i'll touch the feeling of pure clarity of panther or whatever version, but just don't get into multitasking advantage. There is no need fot it if you're using one particular program 6 hours a day...I guess you were one of minority who were thrilled with 10.0.4.

This is getting really boring...

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by airmac
Well i will use your own words..."If OS X works for you, great. But that's just you..." What's your point besides to annoy us os 9 users. Maybe some day i'll touch the feeling of pure clarity of panther or whatever version, but just don't get into multitasking advantage. There is no need fot it if you're using one particular program 6 hours a day...I guess you were one of minority who were thrilled with 10.0.4.

This is getting really boring...

My point was that, by an objective standard, there isn't much reason to support Mac OS 9, and if you use it, which is up to you, then recognize that you're using an outdated OS, so just deal with the consequences of that.

I will say, however, that Mac OS X is no problem on an iMac 333, and if you've never used OS X beyond the first five minutes, don't judge it by that.

[airmac]

Originally posted by Jookbox
if you're using this software and hardware professionally you really should change your attitude.

Now that is debetable. So it makes you a professional if you sound professionally? I will say this in plain english..."We tried it and reject it!", so what part of this sentence you didn't understand? By now it is a common knowledge that my english sucks so you won't have to dig below your personal level...:D

[airmac]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
My point was that, by an objective standard, there isn't much reason to support Mac OS 9, and if you use it, which is up to you, then recognize that you're using an outdated OS, so just deal with the consequences of that.

I will say, however, that Mac OS X is no problem on an iMac 333, and if you've never used OS X beyond the first five minutes, don't judge it by that.

hehe, when did I say i spend just 5 minutes on OS X?! i own mdd duali that boots in both systems. Look, i use it a lot for mail stuff (now this is funny) because for the first time jaguar can produce all slovenian characters so i can exchange data with my pc customers. This is really important for us and jaguar has a good support for ss and unicode fonts and that is also a big step forward. I'm also using Corel 11 (which is slow as.......slow) and bunch of other, well I admit, helpful utility softwares. I'm also not so thrilled with the speed of Indesign, but again the character issue is better supported. I'm not a newbie in jaguar as you pointed and as a loyal mac customer since 1991 I'm entitled to judge anything apple delivers...:D

now it's 3 a.m. here so I'm going to bed...

[airmac]

My point is, i can live without OS X but os 9 is still a must in our country...

zzzzzzzzzzzzz...;)

[nologo]

Originally posted by Pedro Estarque
how about speed ?
Is CS finally back to the speed PS5 was?
I always thought PS7 was a real snail

Keep wishing.

I'm using the last "beta" build for Photoshop CS and Panther and I don't really notice all that much of a change in speed, if any.

You'd think that they would have a better antialiasing algorithm for zooming by now, too.

And i thought that the filter layers feature would have been a really good feature for Photoshop, though I never had the chance to use it in the betas.

[iHack]

Originally posted by true777
I, for one, actually also like LiveMotion quite a bit, mostly for its simplicity and the fact that it's not a convoluted, overblown colossus when I just need something quick, lean, and straightforward.

I was shocked to see that OS 9 is not supported anymore :(

Yes, I know that now I have "loser" stamped all over me for my love of OS 9,
but I'll probably be the last person on earth to switch - just don't like OSX and try to avoid it. I love the minimalist nature of the classic OS. Ah, I wish OSX had an optional appearance scheme that made it look much like OS 9... but that's another thread...

In any case, no OS 9 support means I'll stick with PS 7 for now :(

I join nacl99 in being annoyed MS DOS is not supported anymore :D

Really, a comparison to MS DOS is not far fetched. When I switched a few months ago I read up on OSX and 9. Frankly, I was shocked at the state of 9's memory management and multitasking. Even Win98 did a better job, sort of implementing protected memory and such. In an intro of OSX to switching 9'ers, I read the use of protected memory was introduced as new. This was introduced to the Intel line of processors with the 386. A long, long time ago: 1985. PPC processors had it from the start. IBM did quite a reasonable implementation back in OS/2.
Windows 1 up to ME are descendants of the MS DOS based line. NT, Win2k and XP were new (you probably know what NT stands for). The DOS legacy is supposed to have died out: XP home and Pro are both from NT descent.
With regard to OS age, 9 is ancient. An OS should take care of operating your system. OSX/Darwin does that very well, according to present day standards. To the same standards, 9 doesn't cut it.

System 9 lived a full and happy life. Not surprisingly, it outlived it's DOS based counterparts, as its constitution generally was better and it didn't catch a virus quite as often. Now let it rest in peace and fondly remembered through it's sibling, Classic Environment.

M.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by airmac
hehe, when did I say i spend just 5 minutes on OS X?! i own mdd duali that boots in both systems. Look, i use it a lot for mail stuff (now this is funny) because for the first time jaguar can produce all slovenian characters so i can exchange data with my pc customers. This is really important for us and jaguar has a good support for ss and unicode fonts and that is also a big step forward. I'm also using Corel 11 (which is slow as.......slow) and bunch of other, well I admit, helpful utility softwares. I'm also not so thrilled with the speed of Indesign, but again the character issue is better supported. I'm not a newbie in jaguar as you pointed and as a loyal mac customer since 1991 I'm entitled to judge anything apple delivers...:D

now it's 3 a.m. here so I'm going to bed...

I was talking to the guy with the iMac 333. Not you :)

[Hes Nikke]

Originally posted by aarond12
Uh, excuse me, but did I misread several posts? People were getting excited about editing 16bpp images?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that functionality has been around since at least Photoshop 6...

-Aaron-

the 16 bit per channel debut was in 3.0 actually, i'm guessing that it's now more integrated? in previous versions you had MUCH reduced functionality in PS when you were using 64 bit images

unless I'm misinterpreting this and it's actually 4 bits per channel... but it doesn't make any sense to to add that feature today. maybe in 1992, but not in 2003!

[macnews]

All of these comparisions to older Windows OS just doesn't fly. Before you rip on me, hear me out. First, you have to remember Windows is based on DOS or NT - both of which have been around for 6+ years at least. Thus, it is very easy to support apps when the core of the OS hasn't changed much.

With OS X Apple said we want something better than windows. They had a choice - either maintain system compatability for 9 by keeping it at the core of the OS or go with something totally different at the core and find someway to keep support for old apps around for a while. We all know the went for option 2. Guess what? Now is the time where if you are staying current with Mac you need to be in OS X. OS X is much better at the core because they ditched 9. It was a decent OS (IMHO - not great, but decent) but couldn't really be advanced much further.

We also have to remember reality - windows has the biggest market share. Thus, developers can make more $$$ back from their investment to maintain older support for windows 95/98/etc. Mac developers can't do that to such an extent. They kind of get caught - don't develop and now you aren't keeping up; don't support 9 and how dare you ditch "the faithful."

I, for one, am very glad Apple went with unix at the core of 10. For those who are still hanging back because you just "don't like the look/feel" of OS X - force yourself to use it for a few weeks. You might be suprised what happens.

[Mac Kiwi]

The small features pdf is quite lame,and when I read it I thought oh this gonna be another Adobe cash grab for very little reward to the consumer.I searched around a bit in the links and found a 1.8m pdf that has quite a bit of meat and potatoes so to speak which is not in the features,and there are some goodies for all :)


http://www.Adobe.com/products/photoshop/newfeatures.html

[MacGizmo]

What the **** are you people complaining about?

Ugly Icons? The "NAME" of the suite? Gimme a break!

The upgrades can be purchased seperately.

These are NOT new apps, the CS moniker is just a darn name of the bundle changing from "Collection" to "Suite" - that's it. It's still PS 8, AI 11, ID 3 and GL 7 no matter what they call the bundle.

The upgrades are fairly priced (some higher, some lower than in the past, but at least they are all $169 each now) But with the full suite, you get the extra app "Cue"

[nanosound]

Originally posted by MacGizmo
These are NOT new apps, the CS moniker is just a darn name of the bundle changing from "Collection" to "Suite" - that's it. It's still PS 8, AI 11, ID 3 and GL 7 no matter what they call the bundle.

Yes, these are NEW apps with a NEW name. Even individually, Adobe refers to them as CS: "Announcing Adobe Photoshop CS". Gotta love the marketeers.

[pimentoLoaf]

Anybody try the NEW GoLive? How does it compare to the old one?

Will upgrade to the NEW Photoshop (http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/main.html) when I get a new powerBook -- when my credit card clears fromthat purchase.

[nanosound]

Some testers comment on it at thinksecret.com

[jasonvaughan]

The pricing is great on this. The $999 for standard or $1299 for premium edition is for new versions, not upgrades. The standard is:
Adobe Photoshop CS
Adobe ImageReady CS,
Adobe Illustrator CS,
Adobe InDesign CS,
Adobe GoLive CS
Adobe Acrobat 6.0

The standard edition lacks Acrobat 6 and GoLive.

The Upgrade prices are $749.95 (Premium).

To qualify for the upgrade, all you need is a single Photoshop license, making this a very cheap upgrade. What is more, if you have the other applications, you will effectively get a second serial number for each of these.

Adobe is not forcing you to upgrade to CS. All the individual packages will be available as stand alone upgrades for prices similar to current upgrades.

The big difference with buying the CS Bundle, is that it comes with Version Cue (not available separately). Version Cue is a work group tool for managing version control of images, websites etc, in a similar, but much better, way than the old GoLive Workgroup Server.

This is not a huge upgrade but it is getting rid of the old collections and is effectively lowering the bundle price.

Adobe are not saying what future versions of CS will be called (CS2.0? CS 2004?) but they say they have it covered.

[Rower_CPU]

$400 for full versions of the premium suite. :D

[Dahl]

Originally posted by MacGizmo
What the **** are you people complaining about?

Ugly Icons? The "NAME" of the suite? Gimme a break!

The upgrades can be purchased seperately.

These are NOT new apps, the CS moniker is just a darn name of the bundle changing from "Collection" to "Suite" - that's it. It's still PS 8, AI 11, ID 3 and GL 7 no matter what they call the bundle.

The upgrades are fairly priced (some higher, some lower than in the past, but at least they are all $169 each now) But with the full suite, you get the extra app "Cue"
Read this
http://www.whatdoiknow.org/

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
$400 for full versions of the premium suite. :D

Same price the previous Design Collection with the added bonus of GoLive, for those people who were thinking about spending money on DreamWeaver. ;)

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by bousozoku
Same price the previous Design Collection with the added bonus of GoLive, for those people who were thinking about spending money on DreamWeaver. ;)

Actually, GoLive was in the old web suite as well. Let's not start a DW vs GL debate. :p

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Actually, GoLive was in the old web suite as well. Let's not start a DW vs GL debate. :p

Yeah, it wouldn't be fair to GoLive.

[e-coli]

What ever happened to all the "great" new features InDesign 3 and Acrobat 6 were supposed to have? Why can't I place QT movies into an InDesign document while I'm building a PDF or presentation? Why doesn't Acrobat support the placement of Flash content or animations? And why can't my InDesign document have more than one page size?

Seems like these features were cut out of the final release. That's really unfortunate. Those would have been great additions.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Actually, GoLive was in the old web suite as well. Let's not start a DW vs GL debate. :p

Right, you'd have to buy two collections to get everything that they're now putting in CS.

[airmac]

Originally posted by e-coli
What ever happened to all the "great" new features InDesign 3 and Acrobat 6 were supposed to have? Why can't I place QT movies into an InDesign document while I'm building a PDF or presentation? Why doesn't Acrobat support the placement of Flash content or animations? And why can't my InDesign document have more than one page size?

Seems like these features were cut out of the final release. That's really unfortunate. Those would have been great additions.

yeah, don't mentioning the feature "save table style as...." in indesign 3.0. It's a must! I'm also dissapointed with page sizes, that's why I really loved Freehand. Well i guess they weren't cut out cause a lot of those missing things you get with third party softwares...but they aren't cheap. A plug-in for tables is 399...:confused:

[Dahl]

Am I missing something or is it cheaper to buy the upgrades separately ?
3 ( PS, Ilulustrator & InDesign ) x $170 = $510
OK, I get Version Cue for $39, but still.