Apple Removes Cinema Displays From Store Front Page

[MacRumors]

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Jason O'Grady observes (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1107) that Apple has moved the Cinema Displays off the front page of the Apple Store (http://store.apple.com) last night.

O'Grady suggests this could be due to an impending Cinema Display update, though admits it could be simply to make room for Christmas items.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/13/apple-removes-cinema-displays-from-store-front-page/)

[techlover828]

It's been gone since they started their christmas promotion I believe.

[kwood]

It's been gone since they started their christmas promotion I believe.

Long before that, I remember for a while they only advertised the 30", and that was in the bottom corner away from everything.

[Darkroom]

is it likely that apple would release anything new this close to christmas?

[KindredMAC]

All the displays are still in the heart of the store and all still list at a 24 hour ship time frame.

I would hope for another price discount seeing that you can pick up roughly the same display sizes from Best Buy Sales Flyer for hundreds of dollars cheaper.

And before someone starts sniveling with the "uh but Apple Displays are better"..... just stop right there.... I know that. I use a 23" at work but can't deem it a necessity at their current price point for home use so I use a 22" MAG here with 2 extra 19" Proview WS LCDs in extended.

[twoodcc]

well i hope that new ones do arrive!

[dmw007]

I think that Apple only moved the Cinema Displays in order to make room for their Christmas promotion. That said, I would expect new ACDs soon- perhaps at MacWorld 2008. :)

[Martin C]

I hope they offer HDMI inputs in the new offerings of the ACD's. This way I can plug my XBox 360 right in.

[kresh]

I started a thread on this over a month ago:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=384721&highlight=kresh

[newamiga]

He posted a story two years ago at Macworld Expo time hyping the impending release of the Apple televisions.. maybe this is a precursor to that again what do you think Jason?? :D

[hokullani]

there isn't really much they could do to the displays except lower the price which would be great. They would even make a great TV, great look and form factor. My idea... Up the size, make the smallest 24" which would match the current iMac and move the rest up in size also but remain the same price or cheaper. The resolution is pretty good, but maybe make it as good as an HDTV (they might already be I dont know much about displays) and put some hdmi ports back there and it would be a perfect add on for the apple tv. For me a 24" with an apple tv underneath would be great in my room

[SilverSpy]

I really think there should be an option for a webcam built in to the display or not. All these features have came out for video conferencing but if your in the market to buy a mac pro you can't really take advantage of this since the discontinuation of the isight. I really hope they add this feature in an upgrade of the cinema display, other then that, the displays are perfect I think.

[queshy]

I love the ACD. Two things I'd like to see:

1) OPTION for integrated webcam.

2) Lower price to make it competitive, though I'd be willing to pay the usual "apple premium" -

20" = $ 429 (Dell = $399)
24" = $ 649 (Dell = $599)
30" = $ 1699 (Dell = $1599)

iSight camera - $50 extra for all 3 models.

That's how it should be...

[~Shard~]

New displays certainly are due and would be most welcome. Perhaps Apple will wait until MWSF though?

[brop52]

I'm hoping it won't be before Monday since I'm selling my external iSight on ebay right now. :p

[queshy]

I'm hoping it won't be before Monday since I'm selling my external iSight on ebay right now. :p
Well, even if they release new displays with cameras owners of current ACDs probably won't be running out to get the new ones...so the market demand for the iSight will still be pretty high.

[jnc]

Ha, this has been the case for months, not new at all.

Gah and I wish people would shut up with iSight talk in the ACDs. It's not the place for it, the same way the Mac Pros doesn't have a sensor for Apple remote.

Who's.. really going to use a built in iSight. All those Mac Mini users with ACDs? :rolleyes: And how wasteful for Pro users with more than one ACD to have an iSight built into each display. They don't even use one.

USB webcams are cheap as bread, iSight in ACD is just pointless extravagance.

Component and HDMI? Now we're talking. Then it could talk to :apple:tv and various other devices, ultimately getting ACDs into homes as well as studios...

[mooty]

They haven't featured on the UK store homepage for weeks (if not months)

[guzhogi]

Here are some things that I'd like to see in the ACDs:
-built-in iSight
-more inputs (hdmi, component, etc.)
-Higher resolutions
-Maybe bigger screens so it can double as a TV
-Lower prices

I know someone asked why should ACDs have iSights if no one will use them? Well, I'm sure some people will. Besides, iMac & MacBook (Pro) users might not use iSights. But some do. At least give us the option.

I wish that Apple would up the resolution on them, but I don't think that the 30" can get any higher. I remember reading that it's resolution (2460 x 1600 or whatever it is) is the highest DVI supports. But the smaller displays can definitely see a boost.

[daddywags214]

I, for one, do not care to see ACDs doubling as televisions. I have two 23" ACDs and they're great for what I do (visual effects for film and photography on the side). The color, the contrast, the brightness, the resolution; they're all just right.

ACDs don't have an extraordinarily high refresh rate. Spec-for-spec, they don't offer as much bang for the buck as some other displays that offer similar sizes and resolutions with 2ms refresh rates. But those specs don't matter when I'm looking at some other brand of screen and it straight-up doesn't look as good as my ACDs (in terms of color recreation, true contrast, even backlighting, etc).

But Apple displays do have lower than average refresh rates (among high-end monitors). So if you used it as a TV, the action would be blurry. I'd worry that overall image quality would go down if they sacrificed the current screens for higher-refresh rate ones. The simple truth is, when you're using an ACD in a professional setting (as is their purpose), and working on 24fps film or still photography, refresh rate doesn't matter too much once you get to a reasonable level (where they are now). Perhaps a few milliseconds would be nice, but having a 2ms refreshing display is of no concern unless you're playing video games or watching high-framerate sports (which are often broadcast at 60i or - now - 60p even).

Also, ACDs are 16x10 aspect ratio; HDTVs are 16x9. A lot of HD sources would have trouble scaling their image to this aspect ratio. Most HD sources (cable boxes, satellite receivers, Xbox, etc) are only configured to display letterboxed 4x3 or native 16x9. So if you forced it into a 16x10 ACD (that aspect ratio is not likely to change), it might automatically stretch the image vertically or put black bars at the top and bottom and give the user no choice between the two (because the source doesn't understand 16x10 and therefore can't correct the problem). When you hook up a computer to an ACD and play a game, usually the game software has an option for 16x10 display mode because so many computer monitors use this aspect ratio.

So, updates I'd want:

iSight option would be nice. I use my Mac Pro in a professional setting, yet I'd still like to be able to use my Mac Pro for video conferencing (right now, I switch over to my MacBook Pro). If it were an option, those buying two could order it in their primary display and not bother with it in their secondary. I don't know if Apple would ever off such an option, though. It's so unobtrusive in iMacs and MBPs, though, and it has to be a pretty cheap device for them to manufacture, so I don't see the harm in having it.

Perhaps a new ultra-high-res 40" model. It'd be nice for 4k visual effects work and 12mp photographs, I know that! Apple pushed the industry forward once by offering a 2560x1600 30" before anyone else. Perhaps they can up the ante again.

Also, it's time to lower prices. Apple displays are worth more than all of the cheap alternatives because they look better, but I think that their prices should drop because the technology has become cheaper to produce, regardless of their continual superiority. Follow the market, but maintain and scale the price gap.

I don't care if they change the design; I'm happy with the current design but Ive and the boys (and girls) turn out nothing but solid gold, so if they redesign it, I'm sure it'll be beautiful.

[darthraige]

I hope they offer HDMI inputs in the new offerings of the ACD's. This way I can plug my XBox 360 right in.

Hopefully they do. If the new MacPros have HDMI out of the new graphics cards, I'm sure Apple would love to demo a new MacPro on a new ACD with HDMI. That would be insane.

[Mgkwho]

I sure hope they bring out new ones at MacWorld.

These are my predictions:

1] iTunes movie rentals, HD content
2] New ACD w/ unaggressive price points
3] MacMini cut down to 6"x6"x1.5", and priced only slightly better than today's model
4] A new, additional, and cheaper iPhone model
5] Thinner notebook model, perhaps just the next evolution of the MacBook

No professional product announcements

-=|Mgkwho

[daddywags214]

Hopefully they do. If the new MacPros have HDMI out of the new graphics cards, I'm sure Apple would love to demo a new MacPro on a new ACD with HDMI. That would be insane.

HDMI offers no significant benefit over DVI unless you're connecting it to an HDTV home theater. The purpose of HDMI (High-definition multimedia interface) is to integrate the cabling of the home theater experience, carrying digital high-def picture and digital surround sound in one cable, rather than using a three-wire component video (which is analogue, not digital) and a fiber optic cable for audio.

So for a Mac Pro (which has its own separate optical output), having HDMI on a graphics card is pointless. Those HDMI graphics card are designed to fit into media center PCs which are part of a home theater.

[Beardy man]

I want new ACD's with LED backlights AND an iSight.

Sometime soon (after Jan 15) I'll be scrapping my flaky iBook and getting a Mac Pro with 30" ACD. I need firewire quality Video conferencing. I need iSight.

What does Apple suggest Mac Pro owners use at the moment as iSight is discontinued? No, seriously, what DO they suggest?

[jnc]

What does Apple suggest Mac Pro owners use at the moment as iSight is discontinued? No, seriously, what DO they suggest?

A MacBook? :p

[Martin C]

Perhaps a new ultra-high-res 40" model. It'd be nice for 4k visual effects work and 12mp photographs, I know that! Apple pushed the industry forward once by offering a 2560x1600 30" before anyone else. Perhaps they can up the ante again.
I wonder how far back you would have to sit from a display that large...

[Bwa]

I love the ACD. Two things I'd like to see:
20" = $ 429 (Dell = $399)
24" = $ 649 (Dell = $599)
30" = $ 1699 (Dell = $1599)


The current list price on the Dell is $1399, and they frequently have it discounted to < $1200. Apple needs to lower the price of the 30" more than $100, given that the HP is $1399 and the Samsung is $1299. $1399 would be nice, $1499 is probably more realistic (?).

[maccompaq]

I wonder how far back you would have to sit from a display that large...

You would have to sit in the next room.

[daddywags214]

You would have to sit in the next room.

A friend of mine who is a CG artist uses dual 30s and he says it hurts his neck by the end of the day. I think dual 30s is overkill . . . dual 23s is just right. I could probably handle a single 30 instead, but I like having an ultrawide workspace. It just suits my needs.

As for a 40" monitor for 4k, it wouldn't be ideal for normal computing . . . I was thinking of it as a full-quality preview monitor, essentially. Just for the über-geeks out there. So you actually could put it decently far away and have your primary monitor(s) right in front of you.

[mdx]

The current list price on the Dell is $1399, and they frequently have it discounted to < $1200. Apple needs to lower the price of the 30" more than $100, given that the HP is $1399 and the Samsung is $1299. $1399 would be nice, $1499 is probably more realistic (?).

It's pretty interesting if you take a look at how the 30" ACD has been discounted since its introduction.


% discounted-------incremental---cumulative
Apr-07 $1799---------10.01%-------45.47%
Aug-06 $1999---------20.01%-------39.41%
Mar-06 *Spec Upgrade*
Oct-05 $2499---------16.67%-------24.25%
Apr-05 $2999-----------9.09%-------9.09%
Jun-04 $3299


If the ACD is further discounted in 2008 , here is what it'd look like:

% discounted
incremental cumulative
$1399 22.23% 57.59%
$1499 16.68% 54.56%
$1599 11.12% 51.53%
$1699 5.56% 48.50%


Apple has never done a discount on the ACD 30" of more than 20% (i.e. from $2499 to $1999). If they do discount, $1499 would be more in line with past price cuts.

But then again, they may just upgrade the specs again, and leave the price point alone. The form factor of the ACD is very popular, and they compliment the Macbook Pros and Mac Pro line. According to Apple.com, "Each display is designed to match the sculpted aluminum enclosures of Mac Pro and MacBook Pro"; if the aluminum enclosures are changed to gun metal (as recently rumored), then perhaps the ACD refresh will also be affected.

[djejrejk]

If the purpose of having isight is out of the box video conferencing (as Jobs said when he introduced the 1st imac with isight), apple would also need to add a microphone to the cinema display. As much as I like the idea of this, Im not sure that it will ever happen.

If they did, I couldn't see them offering an option, it will be all or nothing. Makes more sense from a business standpoint. But, I could be wrong.

[bmat]

I don't want an isight built into my display -- I don't like it built into my MBP. It should be an option, or in the display perspective, just a stand alone.

[djejrejk]

It is really convenient having it built in for video chats, etc.. personally, I would rather have it built in than having to worry about plugging in an extra firewire cable. I like the idea of having that option but I don't know how much sense it makes, having to make 2 different display housings.

[David G.]

Who's.. really going to use a built in iSight. All those Mac Mini users with ACDs? :rolleyes:

I have a friend with with a Mac mini hooked up to a 23 in. ACD, and I'm pretty sure he's not alone.

[Payton]

It is really convenient having it built in for video chats, etc.. personally, I would rather have it built in than having to worry about plugging in an extra firewire cable. I like the idea of having that option but I don't know how much sense it makes, having to make 2 different display housings.

You'd still have to plug in an extra firewire cable, just like you do with the ACDs now to enable to firewire hub built-in to the display.

[Beardy man]

As Apple builds iSights into all their other housings, I can't see the objection to putting one in an ACD. The black border on the current iMac's makes the lens all but invisible. As a factory fit, the price premium on ACD's ought to be able to cover the miniscule cost of adding to the massive order Apple must make to fit them to the rest of the range.

As they are in all the others, I can't see Apple bringing back the stand-alone iSight but judging by the price they still fetch on eBay I suggest there is a demand for an Apple branded solution so I say stick 'em in the ACD.

- still hoping for LED backlight on a revamped 30 ;-)

[marais]

In the months before Leopard Apple briefed developers on a new feature called resolution-independence, in order to exploit a new generation of higher resolution displays. Maybe the time has come.

[jnc]

I have a friend with with a Mac mini hooked up to a 23 in. ACD, and I'm pretty sure he's not alone.

Well I'm pretty sure he is in the minority.

[lostless]

What does Apple suggest Mac Pro owners use at the moment as iSight is discontinued? No, seriously, what DO they suggest?

Any usb webcam. Since osx 10.4.5 (or was it .6 or .7, doesn't matter), apple has enabled usb webcams. I currently use the xbox live camera. Works very well.

[SilverSpy]

Any usb webcam. Since osx 10.4.5 (or was it .6 or .7, doesn't matter), apple has enabled usb webcams. I currently use the xbox live camera. Works very well.

I just recently bought a USB webcam for my Mac that is running Leopard and the only thing it actually worked on was Skype. Everything else was a no go. Is there an update for USB cams that i'm unaware of?

[Martin C]

If they don't build an iSight in to the new ACD's, they should at least offer the standalone one again. Wireless maybe?

[Beardy man]

Anyone used a Firewire and a USB camera? Care to comment on the framerate/smoothness?

Most of the webcam stuff I've seen has been jerky and blotchy but I can't say I know the specs of the cameras which is why I've always thought I'd have to get Firewire when I finally get a webcam.

If your experience of USB cams is different please let me know!

Cheers

[Mechcozmo]

Anyone used a Firewire and a USB camera? Care to comment on the framerate/smoothness?

Most of the webcam stuff I've seen has been jerky and blotchy but I can't say I know the specs of the cameras which is why I've always thought I'd have to get Firewire when I finally get a webcam.

If your experience of USB cams is different please let me know!

Cheers

More a "what you pay for" deal here. FireWire cams tend to cost more, but thusly have better guts. USB devices tend to be cheaper, and thus not have such good internals. ($5 for a webcam is not going to look as nice as the $30 webcam's video)

[jrn]

I would like to see more adjustments on the Apple displays especially height. A rotating screen would be great too.-

[dollystereo]

Keep the displays, lower prices.
There are out there DVI-->HDMI cables.
The current 23" is an excellent monitor for professional work, dont put an isight on it.
I have a teacher in the Univ with a mac mini with a 20" ACD

[Martin C]

Wishlist:
1) New enclosure (black aluminum?)
2) Multiple HDMI inputs
3) iSight
4) Prices based on competition

[pprior]

there isn't really much they could do to the displays except lower the price which would be great. They would even make a great TV, great look and form factor. My idea... Up the size, make the smallest 24" which would match the current iMac and move the rest up in size also but remain the same price or cheaper. The resolution is pretty good, but maybe make it as good as an HDTV (they might already be I dont know much about displays) and put some hdmi ports back there and it would be a perfect add on for the apple tv. For me a 24" with an apple tv underneath would be great in my room

"Really isn't much they could do" - are you serious!??

No multi input, no HDMI, no isight, no PIP, style needs updated, better adjustment options, LCD backlighting, there is a TON of improvements to be made. The HDMI and multiinput would be a huge improvement, especially given that as it stands right now you'll never be able to play any bluray or other protected content on an apple display, so when they finally get around to releasing those devices your display will be obsolete.

[madmaxmedia]

It is possible for DVI to have HDCP protection, though I guess it's probably not on the ACD.

My Sony tube HDTV has DVI with HDCP. I have a cheap HDMI->DVI converter for plugging in HD content, the one disadvantage is having to run the audio separately.

[MikeTheC]

Does anyone know if they're using the same range and manufacturer of LCD panels in the iMac 20" and 24" that they have as stand-alone units in their ACDs?

Also, regarding the iSight, does anyone know what happens if you plug in an external iSight to a Mac that has a built-in one? I have an original external iSight, and wouldn't mind being able to continue to use it if there was some means of doing so.

[mward333]

A friend of mine who is a CG artist uses dual 30s and he says it hurts his neck by the end of the day. I think dual 30s is overkill . . . dual 23s is just right. I could probably handle a single 30 instead, but I like having an ultrawide workspace. It just suits my needs.

As for a 40" monitor for 4k, it wouldn't be ideal for normal computing . . . I was thinking of it as a full-quality preview monitor, essentially. Just for the über-geeks out there. So you actually could put it decently far away and have your primary monitor(s) right in front of you.

Having more than one 30-incher takes some getting used to, in all honesty (see my sig; I have three displays). I moved my monitors around in a few different configurations before becoming completely happy. Initially I had them all in a row, but eventually they migrated to the corner of my desk, so that they each sit at 45-degree angels (approximately) to each other, and I'm in the middle. Have a swivel-chair helps a lot too (mine is Herman Miller), especially if you sit and write a lot of code or look at a lot of data (I do both).

[omfintrepid]

I have a friend with with a Mac mini hooked up to a 23 in. ACD, and I'm pretty sure he's not alone.

Another one here brother.

[mrfaize]

Why not a 23" ACD with a Mini? Why do some think this is a no-no? Planning on buying both (after Macworld) but why shouldn't I?

[jrn]

Why not a 23" ACD with a Mini? Why do some think this is a no-no? Planning on buying both (after Macworld) but why shouldn't I?

There is no reason whatsover not to have a 23" monitor with a mini. Whatever works for you. I am happy with mine.

[jrichman63]

I want 40 inch and 30 inch ACD TOUCH screens... !!!

That will blow the industry away. Go all multi touch down the entire mac product line.

[netdog]

Why not a 23" ACD with a Mini? Why do some think this is a no-no? Planning on buying both (after Macworld) but why shouldn't I?

The Mini works great with the ACD 23". That's how they demo the 23" at The Apple Store here on Regent Street.

[jnc]

The Mini works great with the ACD 23". That's how they demo the 23" at The Apple Store here on Regent Street.

Seems incongruous running such an amazing monitor on the most budget-friendly Mac. Nothing stopping you from doing it, just not what I'd imagine is the norm.

[sananda]

Seems incongruous running such an amazing monitor on the most budget-friendly Mac.

i don't see why.

[jnc]

i don't see why.

Like I said, nothing stopping you. I just can't see myself buying a monitor that costs twice as much as the computer I run it on , heh.

[jrn]

Like I said, nothing stopping you. I just can't see myself buying a monitor that costs twice as much as the computer I run it on , heh.

Mac mini : $599 or $799

How is a 23" ACD twice as much as a Mini. With a discount I got the monitor for about the same price as my as my upgraded mini. In the PC world it is very common to spend more on a quality display then you spend on the computer itself.

[jnc]

Mac mini : $599 or $799

How is a 23" ACD twice as much as a Mini. With a discount I got the monitor for about the same price as my as my upgraded mini. In the PC world it is very common to spend more on a quality display then you spend on the computer itself.

Oh! I apologise! At £599 it's 1.5 times the price of a £399 Mini, not 2 times. I shouldn't have estimated like that and got the pedant in you all upset.

You get a discount? Eat your cookie. The £1098 anyone else likely has to spend on an "upgraded" Mini (I take it you mean the 2GHz with SD) and 23" ACD puts it in the 24" iMac ballpark, the specs of which blow the Mini out the water. Oh, and keyboard and MM thrown in!

The only advantages I can see that the MM + ACD combo offers is how you can continue using the ACD on something better once you outgrow the Mini, and the screen isn't glossy. Otherwise, the iMac offers much more - 2.4 c2e, iSight, fw800, twice the standard RAM, 200GB bigger HD, etc etc... and all from one power supply :p

*shrug* I'm inclined to ask why you went for the Mini in light of all this, but I'm not too bothered... Not my money!

[anti-microsoft]

I wish apple would release consumer displays: like in the 19"-22" range and budget wise: $199-$299

I can dream can't I?:rolleyes:

[jrn]

Oh! I apologise! At £599 it's 1.5 times the price of a £399 Mini, not 2 times. I shouldn't have estimated like that and got the pedant in you all upset.

You get a discount? Eat your cookie. The £1098 anyone else likely has to spend on an "upgraded" Mini (I take it you mean the 2GHz with SD) and 23" ACD puts it in the 24" iMac ballpark, the specs of which blow the Mini out the water. Oh, and keyboard and MM thrown in!

The only advantages I can see that the MM + ACD combo offers is how you can continue using the ACD on something better once you outgrow the Mini, and the screen isn't glossy. Otherwise, the iMac offers much more - 2.4 c2e, iSight, fw800, twice the standard RAM, 200GB bigger HD, etc etc... and all from one power supply :p

*shrug* I'm inclined to ask why you went for the Mini in light of all this, but I'm not too bothered... Not my money!

The question wasn't why buy a mini it was why not have a 23" ACD with a mini. I bought a mini because I cannot deal with the with the glossy displays of the iMacs. Suit yourself if you like your iMac but don't change the subject. Whatever monitor works for someone doesn't have anything to do with their computer choice.

[jnc]

The question wasn't why buy a mini it was why not have a 23" ACD with a mini. I bought a mini because I cannot deal with the with the glossy displays of the iMacs. Suit yourself if you like your iMac but don't change the subject. Whatever monitor works for someone doesn't have anything to do with their computer choice.

*sigh* I don't even HAVE an iMac. It seems like the better choice for a comparable amount, however. The Core Duo I used to own was a great machine, with a gerat (matte) display. Even now I'd probably grab a white Core 2 over the new black/Alu thing.

An ACD seems "too much monitor" for a Mini. You think people using such a quality monitor will be running a more amazing machine, this is not niche or crazy thinking. Notice Apple's site focuses on the Mac Pro and MBP in conjunction with the ACD, which is what I'd expect (the Mini page doesn't even make mention of compatibility with the 23", just the 20"!)

But as I said, not my money, and nothing stopping you!

[jrn]

*sigh* I don't even HAVE an iMac. It seems like the better choice for a comparable amount, however. The Core Duo I used to own was a great machine, with a gerat (matte) display. Even now I'd probably grab a white Core 2 over the new black/Alu thing.

An ACD seems "too much monitor" for a Mini. You think people using such a quality monitor will be running a more amazing machine, this is not niche or crazy thinking. Notice Apple's site focuses on the Mac Pro and MBP in conjunction with the ACD, which is what I'd expect (the Mini page doesn't even make mention of compatibility with the 23", just the 20"!)

But as I said, not my money, and nothing stopping you!

*sigh* Your logic is flawed but most people configuring their mini would see that. Go configure a mini on Apple's site and you will see it has the 20" and 23" ACD as an option. Why, because people choose monitors based on quality, size and cost. So to justify a 23" ACD a person needs to spend $2500 on a Mac Pro. haha

[Bent Paradis]

Yeas.
I just got that message in Denmark.
The only problems should be changing display size from iPod Touch and iPhone Touch to monitors with for example 24''
Will it be the sensation on the january year 2008 meeting in California ?
Why not ?
:cool:

Is it really true ?

Next year perhaps a MacBook Pro with two displays and the one of them in stead of the traditional keyboard and mouse funtions ?
:apple:

[jnc]

*sigh* Your logic is flawed but most people configuring their mini would see that. Go configure a mini on Apple's site and you will see it has the 20" and 23" ACD as an option. Why, because people choose monitors based on quality, size and cost. So to justify a 23" ACD a person needs to spend $2500 on a Mac Pro. haha

@£$%&$^*!@

[sananda]

Please do not address me again. Oh my god you're incompetent

there's no need for that.

[jnc]

there's no need for that.

Eek. It's better than the dA forums here - I only just discovered there's an ignore list. I'll just use that :D

[BJNY]

Dell introduced a designer display at CES:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_22crystalfp_landing?c=us&l=en&s=gen

[Superman07]

Dell introduced a designer display at CES:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_22crystalfp_landing?c=us&l=en&s=gen

Now I'm thinking maybe that hooked up to a new mini if there is one launched on the 15th. :)

[iTeen]

their:D getting ready for january 15th

[pprior]

Dell introduced a designer display at CES:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_22crystalfp_landing?c=us&l=en&s=gen

Man that thing is fugly.

[swagi]

I want 40 inch and 30 inch ACD TOUCH screens... !!!

That will blow the industry away. Go all multi touch down the entire mac product line.

And I want Apple to evaluate and maybe incorporate THIS TECHNOLOGY (http://www.zecotek.com/EN/overview/zds_overview/)

Now that would be really mind-blasting. And I'd rather have that, than touch-screen!

[Martin C]

I want 40 inch and 30 inch ACD TOUCH screens... !!!

That will blow the industry away. Go all multi touch down the entire mac product line.
A 40-inch MultiTouch display would not only blow away the industry my friend, but our wallets as well.

[Pressure]

And I want Apple to evaluate and maybe incorporate THIS TECHNOLOGY (http://www.zecotek.com/EN/overview/zds_overview/)

Now that would be really mind-blasting. And I'd rather have that, than touch-screen!

For what?

Besides it is currently limited to the awesome resolution of 1024 x 768 ... I doubt any Mac users even use that resolution anymore.

[swagi]

For what?

Besides it is currently limited to the awesome resolution of 1024 x 768 ... I doubt any Mac users even use that resolution anymore.

Errrr...I was inclined to cry Maya, as I guess many media heads use it. I myself don't.

But it would be the perfect complement to OsiriX, which btw is a rather frequently used app in my field. 1024 x 768 sounds really nice, if you think real 3D. Especially when doing a virtual endoscopy to find the spinal chord stenosis, this could come in handy.

But maybe you can show me a real 3D display with no need for glasses, that has a higher resolution, can't you?

[macronerd]

I noticed something strange on the new macpro page here: http://www.apple.com/macpro/technology/graphics.html

Scroll down to the image of the 6 cinema displays showing the shark where it says - The even bigger picture. Notice that the displays have black apple logos like the imac, rather than the silver logo. Not a big deal, but it is different.

[ntrigue]

I noticed something strange on the new macpro page here: http://www.apple.com/macpro/technology/graphics.html

Scroll down to the image of the 6 cinema displays showing the shark where it says - The even bigger picture. Notice that the displays have black apple logos like the imac, rather than the silver logo. Not a big deal, but it is different.

Simple camera exposure to a reflective surface.

[DH Miller]

I am just about to buy a new Mac Pro and I produce a lot of HD animation for clients. I am considering a new Samsung 305T, which has gotten great reviews, and the ACD 30". But neither is 16:9, so either I need to get a new 16:9 external RGB monitor to preview the work or I will never actually see what I deliver to my clients.

But more importantly, any opinions on Samsung vs the ACD 30"? Refresh rate and brightness are probably the most important factors.
Thanks for any help.
Best.
D.

[SilverSpy]

Very much disappointed with the 2008 Keynote. I was really hoping for a bunch of new things including a new display!!! :P

[Devil's Refugee]

One of the other rumor sites (AppleInsider I think) is speculating that there is a secret announcement to be made today by Steve at the Final Cut Pro meeting.

[anti-microsoft]

98000

[clayj]

I guess I can unbox the 30" ACD I bought last week, now that there were no new displays announced yesterday.

[macgruder]

98000

I hate you :)

[anti-microsoft]

I hate you :)

Yeah... I knew that!:D

[macgruder]

Yeah... I knew that!:D
I actually clicked the image. The mouse was in one hand, and the credit card in the other. "Yeaaa ... bollocks" could be heard for miles around :D

Although I think that they'll never have cameras built in. Not suitable for many office environments. I'm all ready to buy the new MacPro and I don't think I can hold out much longer. Hell, the 30" Dell has a S-IPS screen, and is the same price as the ACD with 23" display which also has a S-IPS screen.