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MacRumors
Dec 18, 2007, 07:05 PM
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Seeking Web Designer - We are looking a professional web designer or team who would be interested in potentially participating in a MacRumors site and forum redesign. Also interested in ongoing relationship for additional projects outside of MacRumors. Ideal candidate would be a MacRumors reader(s) who is familiar with the workings of the site and forums and would be able to retain the basic feel of the site while modernizing the design. The site uses a custom Content Management System for the front page, and vBulletin for the forums, so vBulletin experience would be a plus. Please contact us via our web form (http://forums.macrumors.com/sendmessage.php) with the subject of "Web Designer Inquiry" and please include links to previous work.

Macworld Expo 2008 Exhibitors - Macworld Expo 2008 is upon us. MacRumors will be providing our traditional MacRumorsLive (http://www.macrumorslive.com) keynote coverage as well as expanded exhibitor coverage this year. In MacRumors-style, instead of exhaustive coverage of every new product, we will only focus on a few of stand-out products. If you would like to be considered to potentially reach some of our 3.9 million unique monthly visitors, please contact us via our web form (http://forums.macrumors.com/sendmessage.php) with the subject of "Macworld Exhibitor". Any press embargoes will be honored. For readers, our MacRumorsLive (http://www.macrumorslive.com) coverage will be back with notable improvements based on previous feedback.

MacRumors MWSF Reader Meetup - If you are interested in joining us in a casual meetup at Macworld, please express your interest in this forum poll (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=398905). The meetup would take place in the evening on Monday, January 14th.

MacUpdate End of Sale - MacUpdate's Mac App Bundle (http://www.mupromo.com/?ref=4362) is coming to a close, with only 2 days left. Three new applications have been included, bringing the total number of applications to 13. Pricing (which started at $49.99) has started to increase gradually as the deadline approaches, so now is the time (http://www.mupromo.com/?ref=4362) if you are considering this bundle. (MacRumors is a promotional partner of MacUpdate's and sales of this bundle support this site.)

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/18/macrumors-hiring-web-designer-macworld-2008-exhibitor-coverage-end-of-sale/)



zap2
Dec 18, 2007, 07:06 PM
possible forum redesign?

cool!

Aperture
Dec 18, 2007, 07:10 PM
Glad to see that MR will finally be having a redesign & I'm looking forward to this year's MacWorld coverage!

psychofreak
Dec 18, 2007, 07:13 PM
Hopefully it wont be too many years until we get live video...right now I switch between the great MR coverage and Engadget due to the better quality pics :)

twoodcc
Dec 18, 2007, 07:14 PM
yep, looking forward to a redesign! and macworld of course :D

Aperture
Dec 18, 2007, 07:16 PM
Hopefully it wont be too many years until we get live video...right now I switch between the great MR coverage and Engadget due to the better quality pics :)

That would be nice but I don't think it would ever happen. Apple Legal would be giving MR a call unless MR somehow cleared it with them first. (Which is unlikely)

InkMaster
Dec 18, 2007, 07:27 PM
Heres an idea for the forum/site redesign - how about we all get together (I would imagine there are plenty of talented designers here) and throw together all of our skills and make an awesome awesome site :) -- some people do the icons, others do some coding etc...

What you guys think? I'm all up for such an idea :)

Blue Velvet
Dec 18, 2007, 07:43 PM
...how about we all get together (I would imagine there are plenty of talented designers here) and throw together all of our skills and make an awesome awesome site :) -- some people do the icons, others do some coding etc...


A complete nightmare of organisation, delegation and renumeration. Best to farm it out to a small experienced setup who know what they're doing.

mnkeybsness
Dec 18, 2007, 07:45 PM
Heres an idea for the forum/site redesign - how about we all get together (I would imagine there are plenty of talented designers here) and throw together all of our skills and make an awesome awesome site :) -- some people do the icons, others do some coding etc...

What you guys think? I'm all up for such an idea :)

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Ever hear the saying, Too many cooks in the kitchen?

InkMaster
Dec 18, 2007, 07:48 PM
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Ever hear the saying, Too many cooks in the kitchen?

nope; ignorance is bliss :) anyways, I still vote for my idea. Maybe atleast a contest?

rdowns
Dec 18, 2007, 07:48 PM
I have to echo that. Talk about a recipe for disaster.

dizastor
Dec 18, 2007, 08:05 PM
Design by committee is not the answer.
There are plenty of talented designers who could handle the whole project.

I pray for a unified, simple, beautiful design.

InkMaster
Dec 18, 2007, 08:06 PM
Design by committee is not the answer.
There are plenty of talented designers who could handle the whole project.

I pray for a unified, simple, beautiful design.

Sigh; fine fine :p

ibjoshua
Dec 18, 2007, 08:11 PM
A complete nightmare of organisation, delegation and renumeration. Best to farm it out to a small experienced setup who know what they're doing.
Couldn't agree more. Horrible to work on and guaranteed horrible 'design'.

The site has been begging for a re-design since the last re-design.

BTW. I think you meant remuneration. I don't think the site needs 're-numbering'?

ibjoshua

psycoswimmer
Dec 18, 2007, 08:22 PM
Sounds great arn! I'm looking forward to the site re-design, and Macworld Expo of course. Just one request: make it easy on the eyes. :D

rhyndu
Dec 18, 2007, 08:25 PM
I'd love to redesign the site... but I am not quite "pro" yet! :(

Willis
Dec 18, 2007, 08:51 PM
Just got my MacBundle... Bit silly to turn down an offer like that, and the mind map software looks snazzy... I need to do script ideas anyway :)

InkMaster
Dec 18, 2007, 09:09 PM
about the redesign, any chance that we could have a contest where everyone could submit mockups of their ideas and so the community gets to vote - since I mean ultimately it is for the community :p

synth3tik
Dec 18, 2007, 10:17 PM
I only wish I did web development. I think it would be fun to work on MR.

Westside guy
Dec 18, 2007, 10:19 PM
MacUpdate End of Sale - MacUpdate's Mac App Bundle (http://www.mupromo.com/?ref=4362) is coming to a close, with only 2 days left. Three new applications have been included, bringing the total number of applications to 13. Pricing (which started at $49.99) has started to increase gradually as the deadline approaches, so now is the time (http://www.mupromo.com/?ref=4362) if you are considering this bundle. (MacRumors is a promotional partner of MacUpdate's and sales of this bundle support this site.)

Seems pretty obvious this sale isn't going as well as hoped... but sorry, I didn't see anything remotely tempting in there.

matthewHUB
Dec 18, 2007, 10:42 PM
Seems pretty obvious this sale isn't going as well as hoped... but sorry, I didn't see anything remotely tempting in there.


They sold well over the 7500 limit for the last locked app. then they gave is another free. plus a preview. seems like it went quite well but that's just my opinion. never done one b4 this one

puckhead193
Dec 18, 2007, 11:01 PM
what about having a contest/voting to see what everyone likes?
Also have a a thread for ideas for the lucky few who are chosen to incorporate the ideas in their design...
can't wait for MWSF. new mbp please!

InkMaster
Dec 18, 2007, 11:34 PM
what about having a contest/voting to see what everyone likes?
Also have a a thread for ideas for the lucky few who are chosen to incorporate the ideas in their design...
can't wait for MWSF. new mbp please!

yay! someone who agrees! :)

JoeG4
Dec 19, 2007, 12:40 AM
Oh shoot I'd love to do this, beamed off an email too. Maybe they'll be interested, but it wasn't exactly my most formal of emails.

Still, I've done forum stuff before :) I'd have to beg Mindfad to do the icons, though.

TurboSC
Dec 19, 2007, 01:01 AM
about the redesign, any chance that we could have a contest where everyone could submit mockups of their ideas and so the community gets to vote - since I mean ultimately it is for the community :p

that sounds like a great community effort...

You guys should hold a header / banner contest... I'd enter :)

ethernet76
Dec 19, 2007, 01:45 AM
MR should ditch vBulletin. MR probably receives more posts than Fark and is on par with digg.


Not to mention you're wasting a lot of bandwidth.

Arn, how long do you plan to look for people to fill these positions? I'm terribly busy right now, but would be interested if it were not a deadline project.

koobcamuk
Dec 19, 2007, 02:30 AM
Ever hear the saying, Too many cooks in the kitchen?

Nope :rolleyes:

Too many cooks spoil the broth perhaps?

If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen...

ImNoSuperMan
Dec 19, 2007, 03:20 AM
Sounds great arn! I'm looking forward to the site re-design

But I m not. I like the way as it is. It loads without any problem even on my iPhone. If anything you want to do then create a special version for iPhone like the one Amazon has(though Amazon`s not great but a step in right direction). A fancy site with loads of pictures like Engadget is a nightmare on iPhone. Browsing Engadget on my iPhone results in a crash within 15 minutes. So just keep it plain and simple. Play with some colors but please dont add crap loads of pictures/colorful adverts etc.

netdog
Dec 19, 2007, 03:25 AM
Be careful. Part of your cred comes from obviously not being a corporately-funded marketing site. Slickness and smart stylishness will probably actually detract from your brand. You are a guerilla site and your look and feel are just about right in my opinion. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Trust me. Interactive brand design used to be my specialty at a very high level.

Cepe Indicum
Dec 19, 2007, 05:45 AM
Be careful. Part of your cred comes from obviously not being a corporately-funded marketing site. Slickness and smart stylishness will probably actually detract from your brand. You are a guerilla site and your look and feel are just about right in my opinion. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

That's sound advice, if every I heard it! Even over the last year or so, I have seen macrumors soar in popularity - you have to ask the question, why? Because you're doing everything right (IMHO).

I'm not saying, don't do a redesign - just please be careful!

lofight
Dec 19, 2007, 06:07 AM
Live video with reasonable quality of apple events would be fantastic!! in a few years i hope this will be reality..

edesignuk
Dec 19, 2007, 06:12 AM
MR should ditch vBulletin.Why? vB is an excellent, manageable, configurable, skinable, scalable software.

bwintx
Dec 19, 2007, 07:16 AM
"A camel is a horse built by a committee."

'Nuff said.

InkMaster
Dec 19, 2007, 08:16 AM
"A camel is a horse built by a committee."

'Nuff said.

just try riding a horse in a desert... the camel is very intelligently designed ;)

nicksoper
Dec 19, 2007, 08:46 AM
Slashdot did quite a successful redesign contest, their new site was improved a lot aesthetically, despite rigid guidelines for content and existing structures.

Mac Rumors has great functionality, simply adding a new skin and keeping it clean and simple will do wonders.

I feel a bit of a Yahoo/Google buyout once its done though. A functional, good looking site with this much traffic and a recent server upgrade.....

Good luck, I look forward to it.
:)

Eraserhead
Dec 19, 2007, 11:49 AM
Design by committee is not the answer.

You also get Windows this way.

pubwvj
Dec 19, 2007, 11:55 AM
We are looking a professional web designer or team who would be interested in potentially participating in a MacRumors site and forum redesign. ... modernizing the design.

Ugh. It works. Don't fix it.

Useless, needless, waste of time and money 'modernizing' for modernizing's sake.

surferfromuk
Dec 19, 2007, 12:22 PM
Touch friendly please - little page numbers at the bottom right of each page are a total nightmare and involve a dedicated zoom - slide - touch - zoom back and re-centre

...bit of white space at left hand side for flick scrolling would be nice too.

gregdig
Dec 19, 2007, 01:35 PM
Nope :rolleyes:

Too many cooks spoil the broth perhaps?

If you can't stand the heat in the kitchen...

If we're correcting clichés, that's actually "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Originally said by Harry S. Truman.

RoboCop001
Dec 19, 2007, 02:12 PM
Redesign the page so I don't need to use any part of my body to click around.

That way, you will never use your fingers for typing and clicking too much so then you won't develop carpel tunnel syndrome to an extent that moving your hand in any way will hurt like thousands of cats biting and scratching at the inside of your wrist and fingers so when you try to make yourself some breakfast and tea and you try to boil the tea and then the tea boils and you lift the kettle that's strangely made out of glass and then drop the kettle because your hand hurts and the kettle shatters all over your foot and then you fall down and try to nurse your foot that's been horribly sliced up and burned by the hot tea and glass and then you were also making some sort of hot meal that fell on your head because you hit the table when you fell on the floor from all the death tea and now half your face melts off because of the hot meal falling on you since it was too hot and then your dog walks in the room and smells burning flesh and turns insane from the fumes of some rubber that you accidentally dropped onto the stove so the dog is trying to eat you alive but you try to fend it off with the fork from your hot meal that's melting your face off and the dog runs away because you stabbed it with the fork and then you have to crawl over to the phone to call a doctor only to find out the phone line's been disconnected because you forgot to pay your bill this month so you look up at the ceiling in pain and rage yelling "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN" and finally pass out from all the madness.

No, no that wouldn't be a good day at all.

JasonElise1983
Dec 19, 2007, 02:18 PM
That way, you will never use your fingers for typing and clicking too much so then you won't develop carpel tunnel syndrome to an extent that moving your hand in any way will hurt like thousands of cats biting and scratching at the inside of your wrist and fingers so when you try to make yourself some breakfast and tea and you try to boil the tea and then the tea boils and you lift the kettle that's strangely made out of glass and then drop the kettle because your hand hurts and the kettle shatters all over your foot and then you fall down and try to nurse your foot that's been horribly sliced up and burned by the hot tea and glass and then you were also making some sort of hot meal that fell on your head because you hit the table when you fell on the floor from all the death tea and now half your face melts off because of the hot meal falling on you since it was too hot and then your dog walks in the room and smells burning flesh and turns insane from the fumes of some rubber that you accidentally dropped onto the stove so the dog is trying to eat you alive but you try to fend it off with the fork from your hot meal that's melting your face off and the dog runs away because you stabbed it with the fork and then you have to crawl over to the phone to call a doctor only to find out the phone line's been disconnected because you forgot to pay your bill this month so you look up at the ceiling in pain and rage yelling "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN" and finally pass out from all the madness.



Sounds like a scene for Final Destination 4

TurboSC
Dec 19, 2007, 02:30 PM
I think personally the site looks and functions fine... some small tweaks would help a little, maybe a new header image, that's all I'd change.

psycoswimmer
Dec 20, 2007, 06:27 PM
But I m not. I like the way as it is. It loads without any problem even on my iPhone. If anything you want to do then create a special version for iPhone like the one Amazon has(though Amazon`s not great but a step in right direction). A fancy site with loads of pictures like Engadget is a nightmare on iPhone. Browsing Engadget on my iPhone results in a crash within 15 minutes. So just keep it plain and simple. Play with some colors but please dont add crap loads of pictures/colorful adverts etc.

I wasn't insinuating I want flashing lights and tons of bright pictures. Just a refresh, because that's what's needed most.

And if there's one thing that I definitely want to stay, it's the logo. It's really clever and it should stay generally the same.

k1037
Jan 7, 2008, 03:33 AM
I only recently started doing web design professionally, and as such don't have much of a portfolio yet. Still, I was curious about how I'd design a site like this and haven't gotten to do many VB Styles, so I came up with a quick erm... concept design, I guess you'd call it.

I only saw this post a few days ago, and never put in for the position, so call it practice. But I'm curious about what you guys think.

http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/front1.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/front2.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/front3.png

http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/forum1.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/forum2.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/forum3.png

On Firefox/IE, you'll probably have to "zoom in" to see the images full size instead of scaled down.

lofight
Jan 7, 2008, 09:50 AM
I only recently started doing web design professionally, and as such don't have much of a portfolio yet. Still, I was curious about how I'd design a site like this and haven't gotten to do many VB Styles, so I came up with a quick erm... concept design, I guess you'd call it.

I only saw this post a few days ago, and never put in for the position, so call it practice. But I'm curious about what you guys think.

http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/front1.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/front2.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/front3.png

http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/forum1.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/forum2.png
http://www.frostwind.com/macrumors/forum3.png

On Firefox/IE, you'll probably have to "zoom in" to see the images full size instead of scaled down.

I really like the frontpage idea, only some minor things are distracting, like some text sizes..

k1037
Jan 9, 2008, 07:45 PM
I really like the frontpage idea, only some minor things are distracting, like some text sizes..

Any suggestions? I'm all about learning...

MikeTheC
Jan 9, 2008, 07:57 PM
CAUTION: MikeTheC to throw Wet Towel on Site Redesign idea

Sorry, folks, but as someone who's been through at least three other message board re-designs, I can tell you this is *not* something I desire or am looking forward to happening here. And there's two good reasons for that:


The existing design is clean, efficient, and actually works.
Site redesign is invariably a painful process, invariably introduces glitches and bugs, and creates a learning curve for it's users, all of which is, once the changes are done, for little apparent reward or improvement.


Please, don't do this. I don't want to have to go through this sort of B.S. again.

Slashdot did quite a successful redesign contest, their new site was improved a lot aesthetically, despite rigid guidelines for content and existing structures.

It's funny that you mention Slashdot, since that was one of the ones I was thinking of in saying the changes are horrible and the UI is quirky.

lofight
Jan 10, 2008, 09:48 AM
Any suggestions? I'm all about learning...

- On the frontpage: al the bars with the macrumors on the top is very nice, but maybe it's a little too "flashy" or something..

- On the right side where iphone blog, page, macbytes, etc.. is written. It's a little wierd with the macbytes going down and a stripe going above it.. i know this type of links, i've seen it, but i'm not satisfied with such thing...

- The text under thoose links, probably should be in a different font.

Thoose where my suggestions about the frontpage.

- the forum colors seem to be too light for me, maybe a little darker?

That's all, i would really like to see and try-out this site in real!!

k1037
Jan 12, 2008, 12:24 AM
- On the frontpage: al the bars with the macrumors on the top is very nice, but maybe it's a little too "flashy" or something..

- On the right side where iphone blog, page, macbytes, etc.. is written. It's a little wierd with the macbytes going down and a stripe going above it.. i know this type of links, i've seen it, but i'm not satisfied with such thing...

- The text under thoose links, probably should be in a different font.

Thoose where my suggestions about the frontpage.

- the forum colors seem to be too light for me, maybe a little darker?

That's all, i would really like to see and try-out this site in real!!

Made most of the changes you were asking for. You were right, it looks better now.

Condensed, live example (meaning, you can try it out at the link below):

http://www.mindvenom.com/

-- Normally I'd make some sort of tabs or other neat-looking images for the Rumors/Forums/Guides etc. links at the top, but don't have time at the moment. I'll work up a live forum example later too.

djejrejk
Jan 12, 2008, 12:34 AM
Condensed, live example (meaning, you can try it out at the link below):

http://www.mindvenom.com/

Looks good,.. but..

The purple color is a bit too "in your face" and the diagonal pattern on the bar separating the head from the content is nasty looking. Maybe a more chill color choice would be more appropriate. The Dark gray from the original post looked good,.. maybe try to axe the purple and go gray. Maybe try a color MR logo (red/white) with a light glow behind it. Apple seems to be using these same colors in their new products... iMac etc..

The content looks great, very clean and still looks like MacRumors.

Keep it up!

jrlcopy
Jan 12, 2008, 01:26 AM
http://www.mindvenom.com/

Eh, kinda ugly, too few colors, too 'blogger style'

uNext
Jan 12, 2008, 01:47 AM
bring on macrumors 2.0

Macrumors, google finance and engadget are my most visited websites throughout the day. Why not a little change.....

I weclome it with open arms........

lofight
Jan 12, 2008, 08:27 AM
Made most of the changes you were asking for. You were right, it looks better now.

Condensed, live example (meaning, you can try it out at the link below):

http://www.mindvenom.com/

-- Normally I'd make some sort of tabs or other neat-looking images for the Rumors/Forums/Guides etc. links at the top, but don't have time at the moment. I'll work up a live forum example later too.

Looks good,.. but..

The purple color is a bit too "in your face" and the diagonal lines on the bar separating the head from the content is nasty looking. Maybe a more chill color choice would be more appropriate. The Dark gray from the original post looked good,.. maybe try to axe the purple and go gray. Maybe try a color MR logo (red/white) with a light glow behind it. Apple seems to be using these same colors in their new products... iMac etc..

The content looks great, very clean and still looks like MacRumors.

Keep it up!

looks neat, i agree with djejrejk that the purple is a little "too"...
EDIT: i really like the bouncing scroll bars on the right :p

k1037
Jan 12, 2008, 07:32 PM
looks neat, i agree with djejrejk that the purple is a little "too"...
EDIT: i really like the bouncing scroll bars on the right :p

I just updated it again based on all of the suggestions. I tried making it a little bit more colorful and yet.. less flashy. Got rid of the purple and went to a color very close to the current.

Not sure if I'm on the right track!

Could change the text to dark gray/black, the background behind the text to a dark gray. Still not sure what to do with the nav bar thing still.

url again - http://www.mindvenom.com

lofight
Jan 13, 2008, 04:55 AM
I just updated it again based on all of the suggestions. I tried making it a little bit more colorful and yet.. less flashy. Got rid of the purple and went to a color very close to the current.

Not sure if I'm on the right track!

Could change the text to dark gray/black, the background behind the text to a dark gray. Still not sure what to do with the nav bar thing still.

url again - http://www.mindvenom.com

sorry, but i really don't like this version, i would keep the purple, but with less purple..

ibjoshua
Jan 16, 2008, 03:25 PM
sorry, but i really don't like this version
Have to second that.

I hope you're not getting your hopes up. As long as you treat this as an exercise then it's harmless.

ibjoshua

ibjoshua
Jan 16, 2008, 03:43 PM
Macrumors.com is in a delicate position. When the last design was done it was not a particularly popular site. It was quite well known amongst Mac-followers but since then Macs (and Apple in general) have undergone a massive increase in popularity, and Macrumors.com has reaped the benefits. This has happened despite the poor visual design and the ongoing 'bolt-on' functional development it has undergone.

Much like the slashdot.org redesign the site faces two options. Firstly do some 'tweaks' to the current design so that readers hardly notice and just get on with using the site as usual. Or secondly, undertake a massive visual/functional redesign by someone who really knows what they're doing.

The site (and more specifically Arn) cannot afford to change simply for the sake of change. I don't know the details but I don't think the last change was a paid professional job - at least it didn't look like it. The next must be. The web is full of bad visual design. Swapping one poor design out for another poor design may be acceptable (forgivable?) when you don't have a lot visitors but that won't wash when you're in the top 5(?) sites in your sector. Any redesign must have real meaning.

I'm not a designer but I was a web developer for 5 years (98~03) and I've seen so many meaningless redesigns. I sincerely hope Arn doesn't fall into this trap, but commissions some truly great design.

ibjoshua

JasonElise1983
Jan 16, 2008, 06:39 PM
i really think the site functions really well. I myself am by no means a web developer, but i am a designer and i understand useability (even if i can disregard it). I think functionally the site should stay the same...basically i think all it needs is a re-skin. I mean...it works...why mess it up. Just make it cleaner/more polished (NOT in the all glossy reflective way). That's my 2¢.

-JE