Rush Limbaugh being investigated for drug misuse

[dethl]

http://www.nydailynews.com/10-02-2003/front/story/122839p-110349c.html

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-091001vicodin.story

Seem's Rush has a problem with OxyContin, Lorcet, and hydrocodone. And its a big possibility he nearly lost his hearing due to it (See 2nd link about hearing loss and Lorcet).

A little reading on the nydailynews.com link brings us this:

<i>She claimed that a lawyer for Limbaugh gave her a payoff - $80,000 he owed her, plus another $120,000 - and asked her to destroy the computer that contained the E-mail records.</i>

Rush could be in some serious trouble should this be found to be true.

[tazo]

I guess it just shows what happens when a conservative caucasian male takes on the liberal media.

I think its mighty ironic that everyone flipped out at Limbaugh's statement about the black quarterback; isn't this indicative of their being much truth to his statement?

On another note, I find it amusing that in the last year two conservative radio talk show hosts, with an enormous combined listening audience, did so poorly on TV. One could conclude they are not fit tv or worse yet, not read for it. However that is not it at all.

What really happens is that the liberal media doesn't want a conservative talk show host on its programming, and when a conservative talk show hosts goes the next step and takes on his opponents, i.e. the propogators of this bs with the black quarterback, they just couldn't handle it.

Not only amusing, but also ironic: a man makes a statement about the liberal media, and it is the very liberal media that would see to his television defeat.

May your televsion career RIP Mr. Limbaugh

[mactastic]

Haha... if what Rush said was correct, why did he resign? Cuz he doesn't like to fight for his principles?

Seems like the fact that he resigned is proof he was wrong.

Besides, this article is about Rush's drug habits. I wonder how all the morally superior conservatives feel knowing that Bill Bennet is a high-stakes gambler, and now that Rush is a junkie. Does it get any more ironic?:D

[tazo]

Originally posted by mactastic
Haha... if what Rush said was correct, why did he resign? Cuz he doesn't like to fight for his principles?

Seems like the fact that he resigned is proof he was wrong.

Besides, this article is about Rush's drug habits. I wonder how all the morally superior conservatives feel knowing that Bill Bennet is a high-stakes gambler, and now that Rush is a junkie. Does it get any more ironic?:D

Because he was being gangraped by the liberal media covering the nonissue.

Rush is an alleged junkie as of now mactastic; besides if this woman's story was even halfway credible, she would not have sold it to the Enquirer, which we all know to be a very reliable newspaper coughcoughtabloidcoughcough

:o

[mactastic]

Originally posted by tazo
Because he was being gangraped by the liberal media covering the nonissue.

Rush is an alleged junkie as of now mactastic; besides if this woman's story was even halfway credible, she would not have sold it to the Enquirer, which we all know to be a very reliable newspaper coughcoughtabloidcoughcough

:o

Oh pardon me, an alleged junkie. Just as you are an alleged moderate. And gangraped is a pretty strong allegation. I've seen a lot of outrage, but AFAIK, Rush's cornhole is still intact. Rush has a right to say his piece, and we have a right to send him packing if we don't like it. Or perhaps you think free speech only applies to those you agree with?

And as far as the Enquirer goes, they may not be the most reputable rag, but they have broken a story or two in their day.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by tazo
I guess it just shows what happens when a conservative caucasian male takes on the liberal media.

I think its mighty ironic that everyone flipped out at Limbaugh's statement about the black quarterback; isn't this indicative of their being much truth to his statement?

On another note, I find it amusing that in the last year two conservative radio talk show hosts, with an enormous combined listening audience, did so poorly on TV. One could conclude they are not fit tv or worse yet, not read for it. However that is not it at all.

What really happens is that the liberal media doesn't want a conservative talk show host on its programming, and when a conservative talk show hosts goes the next step and takes on his opponents, i.e. the propogators of this bs with the black quarterback, they just couldn't handle it.

Not only amusing, but also ironic: a man makes a statement about the liberal media, and it is the very liberal media that would see to his television defeat.

May your televsion career RIP Mr. Limbaugh

tazo,

it seems every time I read a post by you in the political threads there is something to do with the "poor, put-upon" white male. What does any of that have to do with this story? The only thing of interest in this story, other than another celebrity going to drug rehab, is the possible hypocrisy of Limbaugh. After all his anti-drug rants over the years, it is worth noting that he may have been among the drug users he publicly detested.

It is all well and good to work on your own "liberal media" rhetoric to use in dismissing anyone else's argument, but it doesn't change the fact that Rush is being investigated on drug charges. If the media's reporting of that fact constitutes "gang rape" then we have two very different dictionaries we are working out of.

Lastly, tazo, do you follow football? There are probably two dozen teams in the NFL who would switch quarterbacks with the Eagles at the drop of a hat. My own beloved 49ers among them. Limbaugh's comments only showed he doesn't understand the game and that he has to inject his own political and racial bias into everything he participates in. If Limbaugh and Savage are your idea of sensible conservative commentators then perhaps that shows more about where your own "moderate" politics are really coming from.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by tazo
May your televsion career RIP Mr. Limbaugh

At least we agree on something.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by tazo
Rush is an alleged junkie as of now mactastic; besides if this woman's story was even halfway credible, she would not have sold it to the Enquirer, which we all know to be a very reliable newspaper coughcoughtabloidcoughcough


Uh-oh... looks like even FOX news is reporting this now. Sometimes the Enquirer gets it right....

Coughcoughrushisintroublecoughcough

[K4NN4B15]

//sarcasm="on"

ITS THE LIBERAL MEDIA!!!

Its just a little perscription opium and herion.... not like hes smoking Marijuana or anything......

//sarcasm="off"

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by tazo
I guess it just shows what happens when a conservative caucasian male takes on the liberal media.


He had to do hardcore opiates and insult a QB because he was black because of the liberal media?

He dug his own grave.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by tazo
I think its mighty ironic that everyone flipped out at Limbaugh's statement about the black quarterback; isn't this indicative of their being much truth to his statement?

No, McNab led his team to two NFC titles. He's one of the best scrambling QBs out there. He's not overrated, and the only people who want to see him do well are football fans.

Rush is the only one pointing out his race.

Otherwise, pro sports are an unique island of racial tolerance in an otherwise racist world. Rush came along and upset the balance. He deserves what he got.

On another note, I find it amusing that in the last year two conservative radio talk show hosts... the liberal media doesn't want a conservative talk show host on its programming, and when a conservative talk show hosts goes the next step and takes on his opponents, i.e. the propogators of this bs with the black quarterback, they just couldn't handle it.

And O'Reilley and co. are liberals? They do just fine because they the play ringmaster, walking the thin line between entertainment and politics without crossing over and becoming the story.

Not only amusing, but also ironic: a man makes a statement about the liberal media, and it is the very liberal media that would see to his television defeat.

Wha? Sports broadcasting is liberal TV? WTF??? ESPN doesn't give a **** where you stand on political issues or what you think about the liberal media, they're telling you who drove in the winning run last night or who scored the hat trick in the afternoon game.

He said a horrible thing, injected race and politics into a non-racial issue and won't apologise. Again, he dug his own grave.

[wwworry]

Originally posted by tazo
What really happens is that the liberal media doesn't want a conservative talk show host on its programming, and when a conservative talk show hosts goes the next step and takes on his opponents, i.e. the propogators of this bs with the black quarterback, they just couldn't handle it.


Liberal media??! Are you crazy? All of AM radio is conservative. Fox TV is conservative. 58% of newspapers endorsed Bush for president. The other tv networks are centrist.

All you hear about is the "liberal media" from conservative commentators but you never actually hear liberal media.

[raschild]

Originally posted by mactastic
Uh-oh... looks like even FOX news is reporting this now. Sometimes the Enquirer gets it right....

Coughcoughrushisintroublecoughcough

The Palm Beach DA's office will neither confirm nor deny the investigation. This is all alleged. Rush says he hasn't even been contacted about any investigation. I'm not going to believe until there is hard evidence.

coughcoughjumpingtheguncoughcough

[tazo]

Originally posted by mactastic
Oh pardon me, an alleged junkie. Just as you are an alleged moderate. And gangraped is a pretty strong allegation. I've seen a lot of outrage, but AFAIK, Rush's cornhole is still intact. Rush has a right to say his piece, and we have a right to send him packing if we don't like it. Or perhaps you think free speech only applies to those you agree with?

And as far as the Enquirer goes, they may not be the most reputable rag, but they have broken a story or two in their day.

What reputable story have they actually broken? And if the stories they broke were so great than why must they pay $100,000+ for em? Riiiight

And the usage of gangrape in one of my previous statements is an analogy....

Liberal media??! Are you crazy? All of AM radio is conservative. Fox TV is conservative. 58% of newspapers endorsed Bush for president. The other tv networks are centrist.

All you hear about is the "liberal media" from conservative commentators but you never actually hear liberal media.

Name one conservative talk radio personality that has lasted on TV.....Exactly. Both Rush, and Savage, two individuals had shortlived television careers but continuing prosperous radio careers.

Something is up with that....

tazo,

it seems every time I read a post by you in the political threads there is something to do with the "poor, put-upon" white male. What does any of that have to do with this story? The only thing of interest in this story, other than another celebrity going to drug rehab, is the possible hypocrisy of Limbaugh. After all his anti-drug rants over the years, it is worth noting that he may have been among the drug users he publicly detested.

It is all well and good to work on your own "liberal media" rhetoric to use in dismissing anyone else's argument, but it doesn't change the fact that Rush is being investigated on drug charges. If the media's reporting of that fact constitutes "gang rape" then we have two very different dictionaries we are working out of.

Lastly, tazo, do you follow football? There are probably two dozen teams in the NFL who would switch quarterbacks with the Eagles at the drop of a hat. My own beloved 49ers among them. Limbaugh's comments only showed he doesn't understand the game and that he has to inject his own political and racial bias into everything he participates in. If Limbaugh and Savage are your idea of sensible conservative commentators then perhaps that shows more about where your own "moderate" politics are really coming from.

As of now there is no evidence of any truth to the allegations of drug abuse and the rehab account. I can't believe no one is pointing out that the woman was most likely paid by the enquirer for falsified information.

Considering that the police have yet to officially accuse Rush of drug abuse or possession of drugs w.o a prescription says somethign to the fact that you are all jumping the gun when you accuse him of being a drug addict.

No I do not follow any football teams besides my own HS's.

And I have said previously and will reiterate this again: I do not listen to Rush on the radio; and rarely listen to Savage since I do not get reception on my stereo

And trust me, I like nothing more than to sit down and watch Bill Maher's show when it is on, just as much as I enjoy watching some of the political talk shows on tv as well.

Rush has a right to say his piece, and we have a right to send him packing if we don't like it. Or perhaps you think free speech only applies to those you agree with?

Who is we? The executives that have the power to fire individuals like Limbaugh, Savage?

As for the free speech issue, I can only laugh at this. In my personal experience, liberals have been more apt to expunge support for free speech, whilst at the same time eradicating all but speech in support of their views. Not to say that I have not seen a fair amount of conservatives use such a tactic, i.e. hypocritical speech.

At least we agree on something.

Can you elaborate on this?

In conclusion I think that before everyone having an opinion on this issue jumps to conclusions, we should wait for verified factual information to surface, otherwise we are just getting worked up over falsities. And of course we know where that gets us....

[Desertrat]

Two issues in this thread. The drugs? "All I know is what the newspaper said." So, I'll wait and see how much is true, how much is exaggerated, whatever. If true, I have no sympathy. He was old enough to know better.

As far as his comments on ESPN, they were better off left unsaid. I'm not that whelmed by McNabb, although I'll agree he's a good quarterback. I tend to agree with Limbaugh's comment about the defense being more responsible for the Eagles' success than McNabb.

It IS true that the media in general often gets carried away about wanting more black quarterbacks and more black coaches. Trouble with that is, the NFL only has one real criterion: "Can he win?" Some white guys can; some can't. Some black guys can; some can't. One major factor in winning or not winning is personality: Can this wonderful, bright-guy coach fit in with "the system"? Same question for some star quarterback. "Talented, but couldn't fit in" might well describe Buddy Knox, as a white-guy coach. Miami's running back (Ricky Williams? Sheesh! Drew a blank!) as an example of talent that didn't work out at New Orleans.

But in today's world, anything that can be construed as derogatory will be twisted into that, whether intended or not.

'Rat

[nospleen]

Trouble with that is, the NFL only has one real criterion: "Can he win?"

'Rat [/B]

I do not think that is the NFL's only criterion. If so, then the NFL would not have it mandatory to interview a black head coach for every head coaching vacancy. They would want the best coach period, whether he/she is black, white, asian, etc... I know they want to make sure black coaches are considered for the job, and I commend that. However, I would think that the owners who have hundreds of millions on their minds, would go with the best coach available.

[Macmaniac]

I'm willing to admit the Eagles have not been playing well, but its not McNabb's entire fault, his offesnsive line is not holding up well and they are letting the defense get to him, and with so many players being traded away the line is patchwork.
McNabb is played becasue he is good, not because he's black, Rush is dead wrong, yes AJ and Koy are both good backups but they don't have the skill that McNabb has, thats why they put him in, its not politics. The last thing we need is politics taking over sports.

[MacRumorSkeptic]

Haha... if what Rush said was correct, why did he resign? Cuz he doesn't like to fight for his principles?

Seems like the fact that he resigned is proof he was wrong.

If you listened to his reason for resignation, you would understand that it was because his fellow cast members were uncomfortable with the controversey. By the way, management at ESPN defended his statements and Rush himself has defended his statements on his radio show and other public announcements.

Besides, this article is about Rush's drug habits. I wonder how all the morally superior conservatives feel knowing that Bill Bennet is a high-stakes gambler, and now that Rush is a junkie. Does it get any more ironic?

First of all, the drug charge is only alleged and we don't have enough details to make any kind of call. Secondly, not everyone is perfect, just because people may have character flaws, it doesn't discredit whatever message they espouse.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
...Secondly, not everyone is perfect, just because people may have character flaws, it doesn't discredit whatever message they espouse.

Bennett's message was morality and moderation, neither of which he exercised in the process of losing over 8 million to heavy gambling. His message is discredited.

"We should know that too much of anything, even a good thing, may prove to be our undoing...[We] need ... to set definite boundaries on our appetites."

--The Book of Virtues, by William J. Bennett

link (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0306.green.html)

[Backtothemac]

As for the entire drug thing. Come on, it is the Enquier for God's sake. Give at least some time for something to happen in court, IE be arrested before people label him a junkie.

As for McNabb, did you see the statement, or read the statement?

If you saw it, you understand how it was said, and the entire opinions context. NOT just one quote that everyone wants to jump on. As for McNabs stats.

He has an overall rating this year of 51, and for his carrer 77.5! That sucks so bad that it is unreal.

In comparison, Steve McNair is at 110 this year, and over 80 for his carrer. To compare. Friggin crap from past, now football God Tommy Maddox has an 84.8 rating.

He made an opinon. That sports media, and the NFL want a successful Black QB. What is a shame is McNair (who I think is the best QB in the game) did not even make the pro-bowl last year. Rush made a point, and frankly, I think he is right. They want a darling QB that is black that they can rally around. There is nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. I think it is needed. But I don't think McNabb is as good as he is billed.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by tazo
As of now there is no evidence of any truth to the allegations of drug abuse and the rehab account. I can't believe no one is pointing out that the woman was most likely paid by the enquirer for falsified information.

Considering that the police have yet to officially accuse Rush of drug abuse or possession of drugs w.o a prescription says somethign to the fact that you are all jumping the gun when you accuse him of being a drug addict.

No I do not follow any football teams besides my own HS's.

And I have said previously and will reiterate this again: I do not listen to Rush on the radio; and rarely listen to Savage since I do not get reception on my stereo

And trust me, I like nothing more than to sit down and watch Bill Maher's show when it is on, just as much as I enjoy watching some of the political talk shows on tv as well.


tazo, didn't I say "may" and "possible" enough in my last post? Sure it is possible that it is all made up. I don't much care if he is a drug addict or not, other from the view of the possible hypocrisy of his past rants against drug users. My question is why you leap to his defense as a "conservative caucasian male" against a "liberal media" that is intent on "gang raping" him. Just a tad over the top, tazo? Since when isn't it news when a celebrity is investigated for drug abuse? Why should Rush be any different?

As to Rush's comments on Donovan McNabb, if you admit to not following football why the assumption that Rush is right in his bringing race and politics into an evaluation of football talent?

Upfront, tazo, let me say I have no use for Limbaugh or Savage. I think they both have made a living appealing to the worst instincts of humanity. They propagate fear and hatred of others and get paid for it to boot. I glad you listen to other voices, but the rhetoric of the "liberal media" and "gang raping" is straight out of their playbook.

[shadowfax]

i find this whole ordeal appalling, not knowing much about it. i'm suspicious of claims about his drug usage. i'd assume that at the very least any problem he may have had was blown unimaginably out of proportion in an effort to find something bad about him. i can't believe how prominent this is in the news. i saw a news label ask the question "IS RUSH LIMBAUGH A RACIST?"

a more appropriate question might be, does the guy that made up this quip have an IQ of 73? if i accuse someone else a racist, does that make me one? no! at the very worst, it makes me paranoid about racism.

how can people make such a big deal about this stuff? European opinion blames george bush far to much on the joke that is america. it's much deeper than the president.

[Desertrat]

I watch sports on TV, but I don't pay any attention to the yak-yak ABOUT sports. I thus found it interesting that an article in today's WND brought out several sports authorities' (? I guess. I dunno who they are, but Sports Illustrated folks make their living talking about sports.) comments from the past which pre-supported Limbaugh's comment about McNabb.

IOW, the yap-yap about Limbaugh and "racism" is BS.

Which is to be expected, of course.

Edit add: Karen deCoster sums it up nicely at
http://www.lewrockwell.com/decoster/decoster94.html

'Rat

[3rdpath]

live by the sword-die by the sword.

rush and the enquirer are the ying and yang of reporting/entertainment.

wonderfully ironic ain't it?

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by 3rdpath
live by the sword-die by the sword.

rush and the enquirer are the ying and yang of reporting/entertainment.

wonderfully ironic ain't it? that's a sharp little truism, unless you stop and think about it. there's nothing ying and yang about them at all. they don't go together, and they don't contrast as polar opposites. rush limbaugh expresses his opinions as opinions, and the enquirer publishes the stupidest crap it can find as fact.

rush limbaugh doesn't make a living by making unfounded claims about people's drug habits or otherwise defaming people based on speculations about their personal lives.

[3rdpath]

Originally posted by shadowfax

rush limbaugh doesn't make a living by making unfounded claims about people's drug habits or otherwise defaming people based on speculations about their personal lives.

really?:rolleyes:

believe what you want. i certainly will.

and we all have our facts don't we?

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by 3rdpath
really?:rolleyes:

believe what you want. i certainly will.

and we all have our facts don't we? oh come on. you can accuse rush limbaugh of a lot of things, but he doesn't sit around going "man, that liberal made such an offensive remark the other day on CNN. i bet he has a drug problem."

sure, he says scathing political things, like that liberal media want a black guy to succeed in the NFL to the extent of pushing him more than more talented players (anybody thinking of affirmitive action?), but he doesn't parade speculations about their personal lives.

[3rdpath]

your arguement is flawed. no one has tied his political rants to his alleged drug problem. they are 2 different issues.

and, the enquirer has FAR more reporting integrity than rush. what stories has rush broken? the number you're searching for is ZERO. would you compare every major paper running the story today as being on the same level as the enquirer?

"fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

rush is the "flounder " of the airwaves.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by tazo
What reputable story have they actually broken? And if the stories they broke were so great than why must they pay $100,000+ for em? Riiiight

And the usage of gangrape in one of my previous statements is an analogy....
The National Enquirer has been out in front of a few political scandals. Off the top of my head, I don't remember which ones, but if no one else does either, I will do some digging to prove it to you.


Name one conservative talk radio personality that has lasted on TV.....Exactly. Both Rush, and Savage, two individuals had shortlived television careers but continuing prosperous radio careers.

Something is up with that....
Sean Hannity



As of now there is no evidence of any truth to the allegations of drug abuse and the rehab account. I can't believe no one is pointing out that the woman was most likely paid by the enquirer for falsified information.

Considering that the police have yet to officially accuse Rush of drug abuse or possession of drugs w.o a prescription says somethign to the fact that you are all jumping the gun when you accuse him of being a drug addict.
Will you believe there is some truth to the allegations from Fox News? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98871,00.html)
Reports in the New York Daily News and the National Enquirer alleged Limbaugh got the drugs from his housekeeper,_Wilma Cline (search)._But sources close to the investigation told Fox News_that Limbaugh had other drug suppliers and said the popular conservative personality could face a criminal inquiry by the_Palm Beach County (search)_state attorney's office.


And trust me, I like nothing more than to sit down and watch Bill Maher's show when it is on, just as much as I enjoy watching some of the political talk shows on tv as well.

All well and good, but The Daily Show has about 10 minutes of "news" 5 days a week at most. And the aim is more to be humorous than to be a source of liberal news media.


Who is we? The executives that have the power to fire individuals like Limbaugh, Savage?

As for the free speech issue, I can only laugh at this. In my personal experience, liberals have been more apt to expunge support for free speech, whilst at the same time eradicating all but speech in support of their views. Not to say that I have not seen a fair amount of conservatives use such a tactic, i.e. hypocritical speech.
Pardon me, we meaning those of us who don't like much of what Rush espouses. You are not included in that "we".

Can you elaborate on this?
Sure. You said something to the effect of "RIP Rush's TV career." I took that to mean it was dead thus the "rest in peace" reference, usually associated with someone who has passed on. (I got your analogy this time.) I am wholeheartedly in agreement that Rush's TV career should be "resting in peace" ie. dead. Does that help?

In conclusion I think that before everyone having an opinion on this issue jumps to conclusions, we should wait for verified factual information to surface, otherwise we are just getting worked up over falsities. And of course we know where that gets us....
Yeah you're right, we should give Rush the benefit of the doubt, and due process and all that. Now lets apply that sentiment to WMDs!;)

[shadowfax]

ok, a tentative solution: let's just kill everybody.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by shadowfax
ok, a tentative solution: let's just kill everybody.

How's that solve Rush's drug problem? :p

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by mactastic
How's that solve Rush's drug problem? :p well, besides that he's dead, he won't be able to get any more drugs, as no one will be making them.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by shadowfax
ok, a tentative solution: let's just kill everybody.

well, there's a bit of a logistical problem.

how to do... how to do.... got it! let's incent north korea to develop nukes, lead the way in making pre-emptive striking an acceptable doctrine, then become a threat to north korea! genius!

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by zimv20
well, there's a bit of a logistical problem.

how to do... how to do.... got it! let's incent north korea to develop nukes, lead the way in making pre-emptive striking an acceptable doctrine, then become a threat to north korea! genius! yeah, that's plan B though. we were hoping Iraq would use the WMDs it apparently didn't have on us. you always have to have a backup. if NK falls through, there's always the road straight to china, and failing that, russia. and let's not forget Israel. GW likes the middle east especially.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by shadowfax
yeah, that's plan B though. we were hoping Iraq would use the WMDs it apparently didn't have on us. you always have to have a backup. if NK falls through, there's always the road straight to china, and failing that, russia. and let's not forget Israel. GW likes the middle east especially.

heh heh

[3rdpath]

and the weapon of choice would be rush dropped from a c130 from about 20,000 feet. the sudden release of his noxious gas could wipe out at least a 1/3rd of the middle east.

hey, i just remembered...the army tested the biggest bomb of all time in florida...rush lives in florida...coincidence...i think not.

[shadowfax]

we should publish a conspiracy theory newsletter--Macspiracies.com?

perhaps not...

[Taft]

I don't really know what to make of this whole Rush thing. I personally think he was wrong (factually, not morally) in what he said. I think McNabb is a great QB and there are a lot of teams that would like to have him idependant of his race.

I also think that Rush's type of commentary has no place in a football setting. He is a politically controversial person and was bound to say something people didn't like. If he had stayed on, this would have only been the tip of the iceberg.

I do think the "racist" thing is a bit overblown, however. From past actions, I see Rush as completely racially insensitive. Maybe not racist, but definitely not a person fighting for black rights. But this statement I found more ignorant and out of place than racist.

But on to the fun stuff...

Originally posted by tazo
I guess it just shows what happens when a conservative caucasian male takes on the liberal media.

Ha! Mr. Moderate is at it again. The flak that this comment generated had nothing to do with the "liberal media." It had everything to do with the fact that Rush was peddling his political viewpoints on a football show.

The one interesting thing about sports is that they attract people from all walks of life. Old grannies, young professionals, students, businessmen, yada, yada. There are a lot of liberals who watch football, and there are lot of conservatives, too. I don't watch a football pregame show to get opinions from a man with a political agenda. I watch to hear the latest stats and analysis of football.

That is why I think there is so much attention to this. Rush was injecting politics into an area people traditionally regard as politics free.

I think its mighty ironic that everyone flipped out at Limbaugh's statement about the black quarterback; isn't this indicative of their being much truth to his statement?

Why is it ironic? You might want to look up the definition of irony.

And since when is truth judged by public reaction? How can you possibly link outrage with truth?

These arguments are asinine and wholly without merit.

On another note, I find it amusing that in the last year two conservative radio talk show hosts, with an enormous combined listening audience, did so poorly on TV. One could conclude they are not fit tv or worse yet, not read for it. However that is not it at all.

What really happens is that the liberal media doesn't want a conservative talk show host on its programming, and when a conservative talk show hosts goes the next step and takes on his opponents, i.e. the propogators of this bs with the black quarterback, they just couldn't handle it.

Oh really? So Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly don't challenge the liberal media? That must be it because they are both staunch conservatives with some of the highest ratings out there.

Or maybe there is another answer: people find them too offensive. I presume that other personality you are talking about is Savage. How that racist ever got a TV show is beyond me. Thats right, I called him a racist. He is.

Don't believe me, I'll whip out the quotes. Search the internet, you'll find them. With Savage, it had nothing to do with racial insensitivity: he was overtly racist and very offensive. MSNBC took a gamble with him because conservative commentators are kicking butt in the ratings right now. That bet lost big as people became outraged at his on air antics. It wasn't MSNBC pandering to liberals, it was MSNBC caring about ratings and sponsors. Neither their audience or their sponsers would have put up with Savage long term.

Not only amusing, but also ironic: a man makes a statement about the liberal media, and it is the very liberal media that would see to his television defeat.

May your televsion career RIP Mr. Limbaugh

Again, I don't see the irony. Limbaugh didn't make a comment on the "liberal media." He made a comment on affirmative action (ie. "social concern") in the NFL. And I'm not sure exactly how the "liberal media" saw to his defeat.

Did they skew his statements? Not that I saw. They printed them verbatim. Did they over-play the piece? Maybe, but what do you think the driving force was behind that? You'd have to be delusional to believe that it was because of the liberal "puppet masters" that you seem to think run the media.

The media are a bunch of ratings whores.

Read that carefully. Let it sink in. Why else would Fox News pick up on this piece of "liberal propoganda?" Because they wanted ratings! Why do you think MSNBC hired Michael Savage? They wanted ratings!! Why do news broadcasts play pieces about "the dangers in your own home?" Ratings! Rating! Ratings!

There are a lot of organizations out there with political agendas. But in the end they all bow to one god: Ratiso the god of ratings.

My lord I waste a lot of time debunking conspiracy theories on these boards. Its sad.

Taft

[Desertrat]

Taft, lemme try again: Here's a good link for some commentary about McNabb's abilities.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/decoster/decoster94.html

It pretty well contradicts your opinion, and with some prettty good numbers to back it up.

'Rat

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by shadowfax
oh come on. you can accuse rush limbaugh of a lot of things, but he doesn't sit around going "man, that liberal made such an offensive remark the other day on CNN. i bet he has a drug problem."

You obviously haven't listened to his show enough. I'd say that's a good summary of quite a number of his broadcasts.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Desertrat
Taft, lemme try again: Here's a good link for some commentary about McNabb's abilities.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/decoster/decoster94.html

It pretty well contradicts your opinion, and with some prettty good numbers to back it up.

'Rat

Okay, he's an average QB throwing and an excellentone running, accoring to that article.

So doesn't that make him an above average quarterback? And doesn't the media focus on him specifically because of this double threat.

The plain fact is that Rush doesn't know the difference between a cantelope and a football, and he proved it during his four-week stint on ESPN.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/6910455.htm

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/6919574.htm

Don't **** with the Philly fan base. These are people who boo their own team if they perform poorly in one game.

[Desertrat]

Seems to me, from the numbers (stipulating they're correct), he's below average on passing. And, like most dancing/running QBs, he's slowing down from the accumulated effects of being hit. I've watched a few of their games, having a favorable opinion of him, but he's not what he once was.

Hey, my liking for scrambling/running QBs goes back to Fran Tarkenton, fer cryin' out loud! And Joe Kapp, for that matter...

But reality does check in, when least wanted...

:), 'Rat

[Sayhey]

If Limbaugh had said that he thought MacNabb was an overrated QB and left it at that, we could have an interesting football discussion. He is not my top QB either. I'd take Farve or young Vick over him in a minute. MacNabb over most of the rest of the lot of NFL starters? - in a hot minute. Unfortunately, Rush had to bring race and politics into this when there is no evidence for his biased view. He may not like the NFL policy on the process for hiring new coaches, but that has nothing to do with why MacNabb is starting for the Eagles. That is because he is their best QB and they win with him starting. Pretty damn simple. Limbaugh has a political and racial axe to grind and he can't keep it out of where it doesn't belong - that is why he was forced out.

[tazo]

All well and good, but The Daily Show has about 10 minutes of "news" 5 days a week at most. And the aim is more to be humorous than to be a source of liberal news media.

I was not referring to the Daily Show as a source of my news
:p

[SPG]

Originally posted by shadowfax
rush limbaugh doesn't make a living by making unfounded claims about people's drug habits or otherwise defaming people based on speculations about their personal lives.

Rush Limbaugh Show, 9-23-93

LIMBAUGH: OK. Welcome back and thank you very much. You're watching RUSH LIMBAUGH, the television show. Substance abuse--that means drug addicts. We're now going to cover their rehabilitation if this plan goes through.

Jerry Colangelo is the president of the Phoenix Suns. He's a man I've recently met this year as a guest of a friend of mine who's the coach of the Phoenix Suns, Paul Westphal. I went out during NBA finals in June--went--with them to Chicago. Had lunch with Mr. Colangelo. He's done miracles with this franchise. Six years ago, five of his players were charged with drug abuse and this kind of thing. And it--they've--they've got a wholesome operation out there--very cultured, very classy operation. Family entertainment's the way that they look at their basketball games and their team, and this re--it set them back. Colangelo vowed it's never going to happen again. He's got a player named Richard Dumas. One-time violator of the NBA drug policy. Got caught again violating the terms of his rehab. Colangelo says, I've had it. You're not playing here for this whole season. I don't care if you're clean. You've got to show me that you cannot--that you can stay clean for an entire career. I'm not going to pay you this kind of money.'

I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right. Put it up, Chet, and I'll read along.

(Graphic on screen)

"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."

Jerry Colangelo President Phoenix Suns

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) He says that, I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of drug abuse. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you're making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that.'

What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it. And I don't know how--how to do it, but if I was going to do it, I'd do it. If there were a gun here, it wouldn't fire itself. I've got to reach for it and--and pull the trigger. And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility.

Rush Limbaugh Show, 10-1-1992

LIMBAUGH: All right. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for tonight's weather forecast from Rush Limbaugh. No, I want to show you something. This is a map of the United States. And these blue dots represent everywhere in the country you can watch this show. We--I'm not kidding--we have over 200 television stations, and the way this is measured in television lingo, we now blanket 98 percent of the country, but I want--I want to show you one dot that isn't blue. This dot, ladies and gentlemen, this red dot happens to be our nation's capital. If Jesse Jackson--the Reverend Jackson were to have his way, this would be the new state, New Columbia, appropriately named since there's drugs and crime there.
_
Rush Limbaugh Show, 1-15-96

In fact, I'm reminded--I had this story about three weeks ag--maybe it was before Christmas, maybe it was as far back as November--but there were a couple of drug convictions out in--I think it was a Colorado court. And these guys had--had done some really bad stuff, and there were mandated federal sentences for the crimes they had committed. And the judge apologized to the criminals while sentencing them because he thought it was too severe. He apologized and the com--the community was outraged. So we've gone from a judge sentencing a mother who makes her child beg six months in jail, to judges apologizing for getting dope dealers and crack dealers and drug salesmen off the streets with too severe a sentence.

[SPG]

Rush Limbaugh Show, 10-13-95

... Story number two: St. Paul, Minnesota. A state legislator, a Democrat, spent hours driving drunk around Minnesota on Wednesday, threatening to kill himself with a BB gun and talking by--and--talking by car phone to people who begged him to stop and get help for his alcoholism. Name is Bob Johnson. He was arrested on a well-traveled two-lane highway just outside Bemidji--if I'm pronouncing that right; I hope I am--and was extremely drunk according to the county sheriff; said he was driving erratically, taken to the county jail and placed under a suicide wat--suicide watch. This situation on Wednesday was so tense that the state Democratic Party asked the media to hold off reporting details until it was resolved.


Now get this: Bob Johnson, drunk, driving around Minneapolis, threatening to shoot himself with a BB gun--Wonder where Al Cowlings was this night?--was drunk and calling people on the phone. Lis--listen to this. Bob Johnson was once listed in legislative directories as a school social worker, quote, "recognized for work in fields of youth and family problems and alcohol drug prevention."'
Another Democrat--another--folks, these people are taking it really hard, you know, these


Democrats, threatening to kill themselves with a BB gun, getting drunk. Here--a guy who had been cited, who had been recognized for his great work in alcohol and drug abuse is drunk on the highways. This is just--it's tragic, but it's just--it's outrageously funny. And he is just the latest in a series of Democratic legislators in Minnesota accused of crimes including shoplifting, spouse abuse and insurance fraud. Conflict resolution, Democrats and all their good social works, and still, look at what ha--it just--it's--it's hypocrisy. ...
_
Rush Limbaugh Show, December 16, 1994

So we're not going to get on--we don't fault these animals for a lack of discipline, but we get on human beings who are fat for lack of discipline and you know it and I know it. But here's the thing that struck me about this. We have alcoholics and drug addicts in our society, don't we? And what do we say about them? Well, they can't help it. Why, it's genetic. Why, they have a disease. Why, put one thimbleful of scotch in front of them and they can die.'

We totally exempt them from any control over their lives, do we not? Some athlete will spend two years snorting lines of coke. He can't help it.' You know, it's--it's just--it's not--it's--it's genetic. These people--they're predisposed to having this addictive syndrome. They--they can't help--yeah, like that line of cocaine just happened to march into the hotel, go up to the athlete's room and put itself right there in front of him on his blotter.


Rush Limbaugh Show, 12-12-95

Finally, I don't know how many of you saw this or not. This is--this--this is an amazing story. I want to laugh at this so badly, but it--it--it's--you shouldn't, but I can't help it. It's a story about Scott Plumlee, 39 years old; Pensacola, Florida. In his neighborhood, there's far too much drug activity going on. He doesn't like it. He went to the cops and demanded they stop it. The cops said, Sorry, Mr. Plumlee, we don't have any evidence. We can't move into your neighborhood and just remove all the drug dealers because we don't have any evidence it's going on.'

So Plumlee went back to his neighborhood, went down to the corner, bought 4 bucks' worth of marijuana, went back home and called the cops. He said, Come on out. I've got the evidence.' They have arrested him. I kid you not. They've arrested him and he's got, perhaps--he's facing a one-year jail sentence for 4 bucks' worth of marijuana.

He--he--he said, After I bought it, I thought there it is. Boom. Now get him off the street. I never thought we'd get in trouble.' The cops are all saying down there, Hey, look, you know, we don't want citizens taking this dangerous activity into their own hands.'

I have to think that this is going to get straightened out; that the guy's not really going to go to jail. But, see, you've got a drug-infested neighborhood and here's a guy trying to do something about it. Goes out and makes a buy just to get the evidence. The cops say, No, we didn't see it happen. We still don't have any evidence. All we know is that you've got the 4 bucks of--of marijuana. Follow us to jail, pal.' So--but our heart's with the guy.
_
Rush Limbaugh Show, 7-22-1996

LIMBAUGH: All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. You know, I've been--I've been thinking. There are some other things the Dole campaign could do in addition to hiring Billy Dale. You know the story about the Mena Airport--Mena, Arkansas. This is the--the--the story about drugs and--and--and--and--and--and cash being run in and out of there to Central America that--that--that Clinton knew about when it was all going on and it's been written about in The American Spectator. How about Dole goes to w--and it's closed now--the Mena Airport's no longer there. But how about Dole goes there, does a public appearance, and while he's making a speech, helicopter flies over, drops a bunch of bales of hay to indicate drugs coming into the state of Arkansas. Or he could go to the Excelsior Hotel, where Paula Jones claimed that Clinton took--pu--he took his pants down. And Dole could go to the hotel room, conduct a press conference there. Go out to a savings and loan, stand in front of--do all sorts of stuff, just--just to--just to focus the press on--on some of Clinton's, shall we say, transgressions.

For the record:
Florida Law

Florida Statutes
893.135 Trafficking; mandatory sentences;
(c)1. Any person who knowingly sells, purchases, manufactures, delivers, or brings into this state, or who is knowingly in actual or constructive possession of, 4 grams or more of oxycodone, or 4 grams or more of any mixture containing any such substance, but less than 30 kilograms of such substance or mixture, commits a felony of the first degree, which felony shall be known as "trafficking in illegal drugs," punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. If the quantity involved:
a. Is 4 grams or more, but less than 14 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 3 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $50,000.
b. Is 14 grams or more, but less than 28 grams, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 15 years, and the defendant shall be ordered to pay a fine of $100,000.
c. Is 28 grams or more, but less than 30 kilograms, such person shall be sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of 25 calendar years and pay a fine of $500,000.


All this thanks to:
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003_09_28_atrios_archive.html#106513078228132431

Atrios also suggests giving OxyContin the street name of "Dittos" and so all the abusers will then be called "Dittoheads" a la "Crackheads".
I like that idea.

[Desertrat]

Interesting juxtaposition of views, here.

"Bennett's message was morality and moderation, neither of which he exercised in the process of losing over 8 million to heavy gambling. His message is discredited."

So because a messenger of morality is flawed, morality and moderation is pointless?

Yet, Limbaugh's speaking of a Democrat who did much the same sort of thing is used as an example of how bad is El Rushbo?

Ain't double-standards fun?

Edit add: More folks are taking up for Rush's comments about McNabb; this one from an Eagles fan/sportswriter:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/

:D, 'Rat

[Sayhey]

There are many reasons a QB can be overrated. Quarterbacks are, in one sense, always overrated. They get too much credit when a team is good and too much blame when they are bad. MacNabb certainly gets a lot of attention because he plays on a very good team. Is he overrated? Let's have that discussion over in the community threads.

Notice that none of that has to do with the fact he is black. Only an idiot like Limbaugh would introduce "race" into this sports argument where it doesn't belong. If it had been a one time thing it would be excusable, but Rush's career is based on this type of nonsense.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Desertrat
Interesting juxtaposition of views, here.

"Bennett's message was morality and moderation, neither of which he exercised in the process of losing over 8 million to heavy gambling. His message is discredited."

So because a messenger of morality is flawed, morality and moderation is pointless?

Yet, Limbaugh's speaking of a Democrat who did much the same sort of thing is used as an example of how bad is El Rushbo?

Ain't double-standards fun?

When someone in public view holds others to a higher standard they should be ready to accept the consequences when they themselves don't live up to those standards. This is what Limbaugh has done. He's a hypocrite.

Edit add: More folks are taking up for Rush's comments about McNabb; this one from an Eagles fan/sportswriter:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2089193/

:D, 'Rat

You can point out as many articles as you want about how McNabb isn't as good as he's made out to be.

You're still just dodging the central argument: what does the colour of his skin have to do with it? There's no way in hell I will believe McNabb is a media darling because he's black. He's a media darling because he's a charming, squeaky-clean quarterback of a winning team. I remember when Boomer Esiason was a media darling of a winning team too. He was never a spectacular QB. Does that mean his race has anything to do with the attention he got?

[wwworry]

I do not think he is a media darling because he is black. It's because he has one of those star quarterback names and because his team has won the past couple of years. Peyton Manning (another star quarterback name) is just as much a media darling and has won less.

THe reason McNabb is not as good this year is because he gained a lot of weight in his rehabilitation. He is just not as quick with the extra 30 pounds. Plus his recievers suck and they have stunk for the past 3 years at least.

oh come on. you can accuse rush limbaugh of a lot of things, but he doesn't sit around going "man, that liberal made such an offensive remark the other day on CNN. i bet he has a drug problem."

sure, he says scathing political things, like that liberal media want a black guy to succeed in the NFL to the extent of pushing him more than more talented players (anybody thinking of affirmitive action?), but he doesn't parade speculations about their personal lives.

the problem with this quote is that it is equating the person who made the drug allegations with the people who find his comment on McNabb distastful. All this news comes out of one box but it does not come from the same source or for the same reason. Bad logic.

and limbaugh has said a lot of lies about Clinton and about "liberals". If fact limbaugh's comment that the liberal media wants a black quarterback to succeed is dumb because liberal media does not cover sports and 2., What liberal media?

[wwworry]

I would think limbaugh would be more of a speed freak than a pain kiler type.

[mactastic]

And today Rush admits he is an addict, that he needs help and that he is taking a 30 day hiatus to get it. I hope he gets the help he needs, and I also hope some of the resistance to treatment programs among conservatives goes away once they see one of their own dealing with what is quite clearly an illness rather than a moral failing.

[zimv20]

"There's nothing good about drug use. We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995

so maybe he should turn himself in instead of going for treatment, if he doesn't want to come off as a hypocrite. i have no problem w/ people giving him **** about his drug problem. he's certainly dished it out enough.

maybe next year he'll come out of the closet.

[pseudobrit]

He carefully danced around the word "drug" by calling them "medications."
:rolleyes:

Admitting you have a problem is step one, and he's already half-assed that.

I'm pretty sure he doped himself to deaf with this stuff.

I guess the media's gonna give him the Marv Albert treatment. Go away, get "fixed," get your old job back once you're all better. 30 days to break a heroin addiction... yeah, right.

[mactastic]

It will be interesting to see if he cops to the whole illegal part of this. I mean, he was buying prescription pills on the black market. Personally I don't think that should be enough to send you to jail, but apparently he did, or said he did in an attmept to drive home his conservative tough-on-crime image. Makes you wonder how much of the rest of his rhetoric is an act.

Wonder what The Great Bill O'Reilly thinks about Rush now. Bill has long been a fan of forced incarceration for treatment of addicts. Too bad I missed The Factor today. I might have watched just to see what he said.

[wwworry]

Now we can say to those stupid ditto heads, "At least Clinton wasn't a drug addict." or "I wonder what's worse, being a drunk driver or sending your maid to buy you illegal drugs." or "How can you listen to that known drug addict?" or "Rush Limbaugh is a big fat drug addict."

[pseudobrit]

Hmm... a four time loser -- a liar, a dope fiend, a hypocrite, and a racist.

Ditto indeed.

[candan9019]

Two things.
1. I hope Rush suffers for the terrible person that he is. ( I'm being nice ).
2. There is no liberal media in the United States. The closest liberal media to the US is the CBC in Canada. And even then very little.

[MacRumorSkeptic]

And today Rush admits he is an addict, that he needs help and that he is taking a 30 day hiatus to get it. I hope he gets the help he needs, and I also hope some of the resistance to treatment programs among conservatives goes away once they see one of their own dealing with what is quite clearly an illness rather than a moral failing.

It is a moral failing, Rush said that he is making no excuses, and takes full responsibility for his problems.

Now we can say to those stupid ditto heads, "At least Clinton wasn't a drug addict." or "I wonder what's worse, being a drunk driver or sending your maid to buy you illegal drugs." or "How can you listen to that known drug addict?" or "Rush Limbaugh is a big fat drug addict."

Whats worse is lying under oath, cheating on your wife, lying to U.S. citizens while in high office, and killing innocent people to distract attention from your scandals.

Two things.
1. I hope Rush suffers for the terrible person that he is. ( I'm being nice ).
2. There is no liberal media in the United States. The closest liberal media to the US is the CBC in Canada. And even then very little.

1. Rush is a fantastic human being, who is going to be MADE to suffer because of his political beliefs. Make no mistake about it, this is a move by the media to discredit him and his message on conservatism. (Its been threatened that Sean Hannity is next)
2.Youre delusional if you don't recognize the liberal media bias. A recent example is the attempt to smear Arnold Schwarzenagger in the L.A. Times.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by shadowfax
ok, a tentative solution: let's just kill everybody.

the PPP officially offers its support for this platform.

[IJ Reilly]

Rush suffers for his political beliefs? Ha, ha. That's a good one.

So Rush says he isn't going to play the victim (as if he could for his own drug addiction). But it looks like he doesn't have to, since his fans are more then willing to plead for his victimization by proxy.

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
Rush is a fantastic human being

Fantastic (the dictionary definition):

a. Unrestrainedly fanciful; extravagant: fantastic hopes.
b. Bizarre, as in form or appearance; strange: fantastic attire; fantastic behavior.
c. Based on or existing only in fantasy; unreal: fantastic ideas about her own superiority.

Finally, something we can all agree upon!

[wwworry]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
Whats worse is lying under oath, cheating on your wife, lying to U.S. citizens while in high office, and killing innocent people to distract attention from your scandals.

Lying about an affair is not worse than supporting illegal drug trafficing. Lying about an affair is not worse than sending your maid to buy drugs in a Denney's parking lot. His affair had nothing to do with anyone but him and his wife and lewinsky.

Clinton lied to US Citizens about an affair. Again, who cares. At least he did not lie to enrich his vice president and croney friends.

THe bombings Clinton did were part of the "war on terror". Which administration has killed more innocent civilians in the name of terror (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/)? I am glad to see you are for diplomacy instead of bombings and do not support this latest fiasco in Iraq.

[wwworry]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
1. Rush is a fantastic human being, who is going to be MADE to suffer because of his political beliefs. Make no mistake about it, this is a move by the media to discredit him and his message on conservatism. (Its been threatened that Sean Hannity is next)
2.Youre delusional if you don't recognize the liberal media bias. A recent example is the attempt to smear Arnold Schwarzenagger in the L.A. Times.

1. Are you saying his political beliefs got him hooked on oxy-contin? I know it's hard to be a conservative but I did not know you had to take pain killers to do it.

2. So if the L.A. Times did not report that 15 women had said that Arnold groped them what would that be? What if the L.A. Times had never reported the Paula Jones allegations? or the Kobe Bryant accusations? What are you saying?

[MacRumorSkeptic]

Rush suffers for his political beliefs? Ha, ha. That's a good one.

So Rush says he isn't going to play the victim (as if he could for his own drug addiction). But it looks like he doesn't have to, since his fans are more then willing to plead for his victimization by proxy.

The media attact to discredit Rush began with what he said on ESPN. Rush's comments were made on Sunday, it took until Wednesday to make the news. Why did it take so long for people to figure out that they were angered by his statements? Could it be because they were creating a plan of attack? If anyone else on his show made those statements it would never had made the news. Shortly after they deliver a double whamy by announcing the drug scanal. Dont be surprised if they continue the attack while hes in rehab, unable to counter any accusations while hes away frome his radio show.

What fans are calling him a victim! If there are any, their simply wrong.

Lying about an affair is not worse than supporting illegal drug trafficing. Lying about an affair is not worse than sending your maid to buy drugs in a Denney's parking lot. His affair had nothing to do with anyone but him and his wife and lewinsky.

Not if your president of the United States. It had everything to do with the american people. If his own family cant trust him why should we? The executive office is comprised of 1 man. Therfore the moral character and authority of that man is the moral character and authority of that office. He destroyed the legitimacy of the President of the United States!

Clinton lied to US Citizens about an affair. Again, who cares. At least he did not lie to enrich his vice president and croney friends.

He lied under oath! Thats obstruction of justice. His whole testimony is discredited, because if he lied in 1 area its likely he lied in others. What proof is there of Bush lying to enrich the VP and his friends? Thats right, there isnt any!

THe bombings Clinton did were part of the "war on terror". Which administration has killed more innocent civilians in the name of terror? I am glad to see you are for diplomacy instead of bombings and do not support this latest fiasco in Iraq.

How convinient that Clinton saw the need to bomb Iraq, just as his scandals were coming out.

1. Are you saying his political beliefs got him hooked on oxy-contin? I know it's hard to be a conservative but I did not know you had to take pain killers to do it.

2. So if the L.A. Times did not report that 15 women had said that Arnold groped them what would that be? What if the L.A. Times had never reported the Paula Jones allegations? or the Kobe Bryant accusations? What are you saying?

1. Rush has only himself to blame for his addiction.

2. Come On! the majority of voters in California saw that story for what it was. It was no coincidence it came out so close to the election.

[wwworry]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
If anyone else on his show made those statements it would never had made the news. Shortly after they deliver a double whamy by announcing the drug scanal. Dont be surprised if they continue the attack while hes in rehab, unable to counter any accusations while hes away frome his radio show.
..it would have never made the news...
Wrong. Lots of sports casters have been fired for making racist comments. What about Jimmy the Greek? Limbaugh resigned he was not fired.
...they deliver a double whammy...
Who is they? THe housekeeper was not in any way affiliated with the sports media. So are you saying there was a conspiracy between the sports media, the FBI for investigating Limbaugh and Limbaugh himself for being a drug addict to discredit Limbaugh for things that he actually did???? Incredible! Again, you seem to be asking the press NOT to report the news.

Therfore the moral character and authority of that man is the moral character and authority of that office. He destroyed the legitimacy of the President of the United States!
Kind of a jump. TO take your arguements to a conclusion you would have to admit that it has been destroyed many times before by many different presidents and sometimes we knew and sometimes we did not know that it was "destroyed". THe office of the speaker of the house was also "destroyed". Again, who has a less legitamate presidency, they guy who got less votes or the guy who had an affair?

His whole testimony is discredited, because if he lied in 1 area its likely he lied in others. What proof is there of Bush lying to enrich the VP and his friends?
I think they spent $70 million looking for lies and they could only find the one. So far Bush has "lied" about WMD, "lied" about illegaly outing a CIA operative and putting her life in danger, lied about his tax cuts by saying the majority of it would go to middle and lower class workers (Dick Cheney got $100,000, What did you get?), lied that his give-away would create jobs, covered up secret energy policy meetings that ended up enriching his oil friends. etc.
People are dying, deficits are rising, jobs are being lost, education funding is being cut and a few people are making out like bandits. You defend the hypocritical drug addict. You defend the incompetant loser president who never did anything right.

How convinient that Clinton saw the need to bomb Iraq, just as his scandals were coming out.

Bush puts "terror" in every other sentence using it to pass everyother corporate give-away.

Come On! the majority of voters in California saw that story for what it was. It was no coincidence it came out so close to the election.

I never liked "Come On!" as a way making a point but ok.
The newspaper has to report the news.
Period!
To not report what those women were saying would be a coverup. BAM!
You can't have it both ways - wanting the whole "Who killed Vince Foster" crap and then covering up other stories based on political affiliation.
END OF STORY!:D

[MacRumorSkeptic]

..it would have never made the news...
Wrong. Lots of sports casters have been fired for making racist comments. What about Jimmy the Greek? Limbaugh resigned he was not fired.
...they deliver a double whammy...
Who is they? THe housekeeper was not in any way affiliated with the sports media. So are you saying there was a conspiracy between the sports media, the FBI for investigating Limbaugh and Limbaugh himself for being a drug addict to discredit Limbaugh for things that he actually did???? Incredible! Again, you seem to be asking the press NOT to report the news.

Firstly, Rush's comments were not racist. Secondly, no one on the show reacted as if he said ANYTHING out of line. Only after it hit the news and Rush left the show, did his fellow cast members criticize him.

Of course I'm not saying sports media, FBI, housekeeper, or whoever else all conspired together. I'm saying its suspicious that it took the leftist media so long to report on the ESPN incident, then perfectly time it so the very next day they report the drug story. Thus a strategerized character assassination.

Kind of a jump. TO take your arguements to a conclusion you would have to admit that it has been destroyed many times before by many different presidents and sometimes we knew and sometimes we did not know that it was "destroyed". THe office of the speaker of the house was also "destroyed". Again, who has a less legitamate presidency, they guy who got less votes or the guy who had an affair?

Sure, it has been destroyed before. Speaker of the house is hardly the same as the commander and chief of our armed forces. The speaker is only a part of the legislative branch, if his ethics are flawed it doesn't mean a whole legislative branch of government ethics is flawed. That is however the case with the executive branch. Its a ridiculous comparison. Both Clinton & Bush presidencys are legitimate in its election process. Only 1 of the 2 destroyed their moral legitimacy in office, and thats Clinton.

I think they spent $70 million looking for lies and they could only find the one. So far Bush has "lied" about WMD, "lied" about illegaly outing a CIA operative and putting her life in danger, lied about his tax cuts by saying the majority of it would go to middle and lower class workers (Dick Cheney got $100,000, What did you get?), lied that his give-away would create jobs, covered up secret energy policy meetings that ended up enriching his oil friends. etc.
People are dying, deficits are rising, jobs are being lost, education funding is being cut and a few people are making out like bandits. You defend the hypocritical drug addict. You defend the incompetant loser president who never did anything right.

Much of what you say here is totally unfounded, and cannot be backed up. Let me be clear though, I'm no defender of Bush, government is growing at an outrageous pace with him in office, he is constantly compromising conservative principals.

I never liked "Come On!" as a way making a point but ok.
The newspaper has to report the news.
Period!
To not report what those women were saying would be a coverup. BAM!
You can't have it both ways - wanting the whole "Who killed Vince Foster" crap and then covering up other stories based on political affiliation.
END OF STORY!

"Come On!" is a perfectly acceptable response to someone who is SO willing to ignore the truth. I'm sure a well informed individual such as yourself, is welll aware that the LA times had this story several weeks before they reported it. Being the unbiased liberal rag that they are, then decided to bring it to press only days before the election.

[wwworry]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
Firstly, Rush's comments were not racist. Secondly, no one on the show reacted as if he said ANYTHING out of line. Only after it hit the news and Rush left the show, did his fellow cast members criticize him.

Of course I'm not saying sports media, FBI, housekeeper, or whoever else all conspired together. I'm saying its suspicious that it took the leftist media so long to report on the ESPN incident, then perfectly time it so the very next day they report the drug story. Thus a strategerized character assassination.

I read about it on Monday morning. Maybe you did not read about it until later because, like our president, you do not read newspapers and depend on other people to read them for you. The newspaper in which I read about it is hardly leftist and mostly rightist. And there you go with another "they". "They" timed it so the next day "they" report the drug story. There are two different parties there. Is the drug addict also part of this conspiracy because he finally admitted the truth the following monday? After saying for years that drug addicts ought to be locked up, he finally fesses up to his own hypocracy. Why did he not turn himself into the police? He is morally bankrupt! :D

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
2.Youre delusional if you don't recognize the liberal media bias. A recent example is the attempt to smear Arnold Schwarzenagger in the L.A. Times.

Speaking of delusional... The groping Arnold story had been around for literally years before the Times investigation. A magazine ran an article about his attitude towards women ("Arnold the Barbarian") over two years ago. When the man announced his run for governor, the Times tried to find out whether the stories were true. A few weeks later, they released the results. Also contrary to the talk radio gospel , this report would have hurt Schwartzenegger far worse had it been run a week or two earlier. If anybody smeared Arnold Schwartzenegger, is was Arnold Schwartzenegger.

[MacRumorSkeptic]

I read about it on Monday morning. Maybe you did not read about it until later because, like our president, you do not read newspapers and depend on other people to read them for you. The newspaper in which I read about it is hardly leftist and mostly rightist. And there you go with another "they". "They" timed it so the next day "they" report the drug story. There are two different parties there. Is the drug addict also part of this conspiracy because he finally admitted the truth the following monday? After saying for years that drug addicts ought to be locked up, he finally fesses up to his own hypocracy. Why did he not turn himself into the police? He is morally bankrupt!

They = liberal journalists
The story didnt make World Wide News until Wednesday, I'm sure there were some exceptions with local news or commentators. I'm a libertarian, I've never agreed with Rush when it comes to his stance on drugs. However, the liberal press IS making every effort to discredit not only him, but his message on conservatism. You honestly don't think there are jounalists who have an agenda?

Speaking of delusional... The groping Arnold story had been around for literally years before the Times investigation. A magazine ran an article about his attitude towards women ("Arnold the Barbarian") over two years ago. When the man announced his run for governor, the Times tried to find out whether the stories were true. A few weeks later, they released the results. Also contrary to the talk radio gospel , this report would have hurt Schwartzenegger far worse had it been run a week or two earlier. If anybody smeared Arnold Schwartzenegger, is was Arnold Schwartzenegger.

Yes, I know the Times excuse is they needed to substantiate the claims of the 3 or 4 women before they went to press. However they are inconsistant, after the story broke, it was alleged around 15 more women could make similar claims, somehow the times was able to substantiate these accusations over night.
NO, the report would NOT have hurt Schwartzenagger if released earlier. The attempted smear on Arnold did nothing to him, as the vast majority of California voters saw this report for what it was. I don't know if you noticed, but Arnold won in a landslide. Not only that, over a thousand people cancelled their subscriptions to the LA Times. Even liberal political pundits said it was a bad move for the Times, that the paper was the BIG LOSER of the election, and it damaged any aura of objective journalism.

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
Yes, I know the Times excuse is they needed to substantiate the claims of the 3 or 4 women before they went to press. However they are inconsistant, after the story broke, it was alleged around 15 more women could make similar claims, somehow the times was able to substantiate these accusations over night.

This is baloney on toast with extra mayo.

The Times made no such allegations. You are making this up, or are simply repeating someone else who made it up. The Times found the first six women through their investigation. The others came forward in the days after the first story ran.

[wwworry]

Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
They = liberal journalists
The story didnt make World Wide News until Wednesday, I'm sure there were some exceptions with local news or commentators. I'm a libertarian, I've never agreed with Rush when it comes to his stance on drugs. However, the liberal press IS making every effort to discredit not only him, but his message on conservatism. You honestly don't think there are jounalists who have an agenda?

It was all over the sports pages on Monday and all the sports commentators (not known for their liberal ways) were talking about what an idiot Limbaugh was. Then the next day it started getting picked up by the other departments.
Besides the guy set himself up. America does not like hypocrites and you yourself said that "if he lied in 1 area its likely he lied in others". Rush Limbaugh is a lying hypocrite drug addict. There is no denying that. :D

[IJ Reilly]

A few years ago Limbaugh said that more white guys doing drugs should thrown in jail. Given that he hasn't turned himself in to the nearest police station yet, I suppose he's found room for little bit of liberalism since then.

[Taft]

Originally posted by Desertrat
Taft, lemme try again: Here's a good link for some commentary about McNabb's abilities.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/decoster/decoster94.html

It pretty well contradicts your opinion, and with some prettty good numbers to back it up.

'Rat

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this right away.

This is only one woman's opinion. She uses some statistics to determine McNabb is overrated, but as she says in the column, players are often much better than their stats show.

But, sure, we can play this game. I can find at least as many sports columnists (thats right, people who are professionals at analyzing sports, not political pundits passing as them for a week) who think McNabb is a great quarterback, worthy of just about any teams money. Many coaches think so, too. And all of this is independent of race.

Here's King Kaufman's opinion on the subject (http://www.salon.com/news/sports/col/kaufman/2003/10/02/thursday/index.html). He directly contradicts your political analyst's position...with stats!

So, unlike Ms. De Coster, I think Rush spoke both incorrectly AND inappropriately.

Taft

[Taft]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
A few years ago Limbaugh said that more white guys doing drugs should thrown in jail. Given that he hasn't turned himself in to the nearest police station yet, I suppose he's found room for little bit of liberalism since then.

Yeah, I saw that quote, too. The hypocrisy is stunning. I'm not willing to go laugh at Rush because of his problem, but I do consider it to be cosmically funny. Any person willing to damn other groups because of a moral aversion to their behavior while at the same time participating in that behavior is just a joke.

Rush condemned drugs. He said that people using them should go to jail. Rush also did drugs while saying this. Hypocrisy doesn't get more clear cut than this.

I hope Rush recovers from his addiction. But he deserves every bit of this scandal and I hope his credibility is hurt by this. He deserves that, too.

Taft

[zimv20]

Originally posted by Taft

I hope Rush recovers from his addiction. But he deserves every bit of this scandal and I hope his credibility is hurt by this. He deserves that, too.


and perhaps the experience will provide him w/ something he sorely needs - humility.

[mactastic]

Yeah, funny thing about that... I heard one of the talking heads on TV a few days ago say how humble of a man Rush really is in person. Like that made a difference.

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by Taft
I hope Rush recovers from his addiction. But he deserves every bit of this scandal and I hope his credibility is hurt by this. He deserves that, too.

He will probably lose some of his audience, but his most devoted fans will forgive him nearly anything. This should serve as yet another lesson to those who'd profess absolute certainty about the rightness of their own viewpoints. Certainty is a very sharp double-edged sword.

[zimv20]

check out this columnist, (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/columnists.nsf/Columnist/Bill+McClellan?OpenDocument) who wrote a piece titled: "If Bill Clinton were an addict, here's how Rush might spin it"

edit: hm, my url bbcode isn't working. wonder if the URL is too long...

[mod. edit - Try TinyURL.com for stuff like this. I think it's the "+" and/or "%" signs messing it up.

http://tinyurl.com/qrdq ]

edit: modify original link to point to columnist's page instead of article

[mactastic]

Zim, that's hilarious. And it reads just like a Rush rant too. Thanks for the find.:D

[zimv20]

Originally posted by mactastic
Zim, that's hilarious. And it reads just like a Rush rant too. Thanks for the find.:D

you're welcome.

and rower, thanks for the tinyurl tip!

[wwworry]

I am against harsh sentencing for drug abusers except in this case because of the extenuating circumstance of Massive Hypocrisy. Rush Limbaugh actually helped create the atmosphere that put many thousands of drug users behind bars for long sentences. His pandering words, demonizing the other and rants, lacking of any human sympathy would then pop up in poltical discourse and political legislation.

Dante reserves the 8th (second worse) circle of Hell for people like Rush:

Hypocrites - Circle 8 - Canto 23
Evil counselors - Circle 8 - Canto 26 & 27
Sowers of Discord - Circle 8 - Canto 28