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MacRumors
Oct 2, 2003, 12:10 PM
Insanely Great (http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=2593) posts claims that according to Apple Taiwan documents, eMacs have been cut by 5% in Taiwan and new eMacs models are expected.

Significance/accuracy of this report uncertain.



Wonder Boy
Oct 2, 2003, 12:14 PM
YES!!!!!

oh wait, i don't care.

mrjamin
Oct 2, 2003, 12:18 PM
i think we're due for one - maybe just USB2?

.a
Oct 2, 2003, 12:29 PM
it look too early after 149 days since the last revision.
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
.a

Lancetx
Oct 2, 2003, 12:29 PM
I certainly don't think there will be a major revision coming any time soon, probably just a speed bump primarily and maybe USB 2.0. They just did a major revision to the eMac line back in May so it seems too soon for anything very radical. We need new iBooks before new eMacs anyway, those are much longer in the tooth.

nagromme
Oct 2, 2003, 12:33 PM
Add USB 2, MHz boost, give the bottom model (except for edu) a CD-RW, and drop the price $100. All set!

york2600
Oct 2, 2003, 12:51 PM
Is it just me or wouldn't it be economically beneficial for Apple to use the same motherboard configuration in the eMac / iMac. It seems only logical to me that since the iMac has been upgraded with DDR and USB 2 that the eMac should see a similar upgrade. Otherwise Apple is forced to produce and support 2 different motherboard configurations for a longer time period. Just my 2 cents. I've always seen the eMac as just an iMac with a CRT.

tutubibi
Oct 2, 2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by .a
it look too early after 149 days since the last revision.
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
.a

It's never too early. Considering recent iMac updates, eMac does not look like a good deal any more. This is particulary true for combo drive model here in Canada.

eMac Combo drive ($1499 CAD)

1GHz
128MB SDRAM
60GB
USB 1.1
No internal Bluetooth option

iMac Combo ($1799 CAD)

1GHz
256MB DDR (CPU not true DDR support but ...)
80GB 7200 RPM
USB 2.0
Internal Bluetooth available

So for $300 CAD (~220 USD) more you get more RAM, bigger HD, USB 2 and LCD screen, not to mention coolness factor.

Looking at US pricing difference is $300 USD (I guess apple.ca updated iMac prices to reflect newer exchange rate of while eMac prices are still stuck in May rates).

I would rather get iMac for $300 more (US or Canadian).

jettredmont
Oct 2, 2003, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
Insanely Great (http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=2593) posts claims that according to Apple Taiwan documents, eMacs have been cut by 5% in Taiwan and new eMacs models are expected.

Significance/accuracy of this report uncertain.

Despite being the 1337 developer that I am and just about a month away from finally putting my dual-2GHz G5 on order (damned refinancing takes forever!) ... I'm actually a bit excited by this ...

We've been planning on getting an eMac for the kids at the beginning of next year ... just the lowest-end model for no other reason than that we don't need another CD burner and the speed increase isn't important to us (it will, however, be maxed out in Crucial memory ...) A speed bump or feature bump between now and then would be quite welcome ...

dho
Oct 2, 2003, 01:45 PM
my feeling right now is, unless it has a g5 i dont care.

dukemeiser
Oct 2, 2003, 01:56 PM
I wish Apple would hurry up and revise. We're going to buy one as soon as they do. We've been holding off the purchase until then.

Photorun
Oct 2, 2003, 02:23 PM
Yay! Actually this is good if they were brought up to spec. There's some people needing new machines at the college I work for and evil IT who's in M$'s pocket (remember, IT people like M$ because their software and the hardware that run it is so crappy it guarantees them job stability, when our college was all Mac it had about the same amount of machines, when evil peecees took over 1/2 the campus IT expanded by 300% to cover all the problems) wanted to give people Dulls because "they're cheaper" (BS! Not in the long run they ain't!) but if I can justify getting some eMacs at 1.25 at $850 with the edu discount, that'd best the Dulls prices with monitor and be much more cool. Plus it'd keep IT out of our offices because, well, we're all Mac hence we've never had to call IT for anything.

mrsebastian
Oct 2, 2003, 02:30 PM
:o boring... give me 10.3, that's a little more exciting.

tutubibi
Oct 2, 2003, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by mrsebastian
:o boring... give me 10.3, that's a little more exciting.

How about 10.3 on a new $200 cheaper eMac?

machan
Oct 2, 2003, 03:04 PM
I would love an eMac revision in the next couple months. My parents are going to be buying one and if we can get them a brand new one with more up-to-date features, so much the better. I'm just hoping for more RAM and a 120GB HD on the top-end model.

tutubibi
Oct 2, 2003, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by machan
I would love an eMac revision in the next couple months. My parents are going to be buying one and if we can get them a brand new one with more up-to-date features, so much the better. I'm just hoping for more RAM and a 120GB HD on the top-end model.

There will be revision in the next couple of months for sure.
What I am hoping is for something withing next couple of weeks. I never considered eMac because of the limited space on my desk but with the nice upgrade in features (at least USB2) and reduction in price it would definitely be worth of consideration.

Freg3000
Oct 2, 2003, 03:56 PM
I am getting an eMac for my mom, and want it to be bundled with Panther. Hopefully they are released around the same time. I don't want to have to wait for either.

DakotaGuy
Oct 2, 2003, 04:45 PM
It is funny that everyone writes off the eMac and does not care that Apple even offers this computer, but bang for buck it is a good deal. It is designed for the value minded shopper that wants a good full featured computer with decent performance. I would like to see another price drop and speed bump.

Base model 1Ghz with 60GB HD, CDRW, $699, 1.25Ghz with 80GB HD (opt. 120GB), Combo, $799, 1.25Ghz with 80 GB HD (Opt. 120GB) and Superdrive, $899. Okay I might be living in a fantasy world on prices, but it would be nice to have a quality Apple computer knocking on the doors of the budget PC's. Remember you get a nice monitor included too, so Apple would be right in the game on the budget end.

Coca-Cola
Oct 2, 2003, 05:29 PM
What about a headless mac. The CRT still being in the line up must gnaw at Steve Jobs. The shipping costs must be gnawing away at Apple's bottom line.

A headless mac would be so great. Think of all the switchers! Just swith your pc box for a mac. Keep your old monitor and junk.

I would love a headless G5 cube thing for the same price as the emac. Is this possible?

Heck, I think without the CRT and a the more expensive motorola chip. You could even lower the price. And, think about the savings in shipping!

One pci slot, 4 ram slots, that's all I ask, oh, yeah, it could be aluminum too. Please, Please.

a1291762
Oct 2, 2003, 07:36 PM
When the eMac first came out it was noisy (it's got a fan). As a fanless iMac owner I'm not interested in a noisy replacement for my machine. Are the current eMacs quiet?

I'd be interested in a 1+Ghz eMac with 512MB RAM for around $1,800 AUD. It's not possible to get that low now but a price drop/refresh could make the machines a better buy. I'd love a G5 but the 2ghz is too expensive and the 1.6/1.8 models are underwhelming due to their single procs. A 'good' PC can be had for around $2,000 but that's got more grunt than the current eMacs. More grunt and/or less $$ make the eMac an option for me.

Link

512ke
Oct 2, 2003, 07:49 PM
I love the emac look but that fan has to work too hard, cooling the big CRT plus the chip & graphics card. How can Apple make it quiet?

Also: In the Apple Store, the emac displays all look different. One unit is razor sharp, the next fuzzy. Is it just me or are they inconsistent?

Centris 650
Oct 3, 2003, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by Coca-Cola
What about a headless mac. The CRT still being in the line up must gnaw at Steve Jobs. The shipping costs must be gnawing away at Apple's bottom line.

A headless mac would be so great. Think of all the switchers! Just swith your pc box for a mac. Keep your old monitor and junk.

I would love a headless G5 cube thing for the same price as the emac. Is this possible?

Heck, I think without the CRT and a the more expensive motorola chip. You could even lower the price. And, think about the savings in shipping!

One pci slot, 4 ram slots, that's all I ask, oh, yeah, it could be aluminum too. Please, Please.

I really don't understand Job's aversion to a desktop model. (ie. headless iMac) I bet if the Cube had done better we'd see more of this type of option.Personally I think we really do need a new Cube-tyoe-machine. Limited expandibility but minus the built in monitor. I would love to know Job's reason for not building such a machine.

tutubibi
Oct 3, 2003, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Centris 650
I really don't understand Job's aversion to a desktop model. (ie. headless iMac) I bet if the Cube had done better we'd see more of this type of option.Personally I think we really do need a new Cube-tyoe-machine. Limited expandibility but minus the built in monitor. I would love to know Job's reason for not building such a machine.

New Cube-like machine would definitely do better this time then couple of years ago. Original Cube was a bit expensive and a bit ahead of time (design-wise).
PC makers just started pushing small form factor cases (for example Shuttle).
It seems to me that it is always Apple that starts something ahead of time (Newton, Cube), then abandons it and then the right time comes but Apple is not there any more :confused:

Dahl
Oct 3, 2003, 04:15 PM
I would buy a new eMac, so I don't have to share my G5 with my son.

RichardCarletta
Oct 4, 2003, 01:27 AM
the first mac was a one piece machine and it was followed by at least a dozen different models after that . The original iMac and now the eMac are following the proud tradition . I say let Apple produce 1 piece macs for as long as they make computers. They tend to takeup the least amount of space , are easy to setup , and reasonably affordable. Long live the eMac ! ;)

RichardCarletta
Oct 4, 2003, 01:35 AM
the first mac was a one piece machine and it was followed by at least a dozen different models after that . The original iMac and now the eMac are following the proud tradition . I say let Apple produce 1 piece macs for as long as they make computers. They tend to takeup the least amount of space , are easy to setup , and reasonably affordable. Long live the eMac ! ;)

Matrix9180
Oct 4, 2003, 02:48 AM
Along side my new G5, I have a G4 Cube 450MHz w/ 1GB ram that I got off ebay... I was really impressed with how it all fit together... and w/ slight modification, I even managed to put in a QE-capable video card... No, I didn't have to relocate anything, just snapped the plastic casing off of a connector so that the board that 'must be relocated' can sit at a slight angle... I was surprised at how expandable it was given it's size... I think if apple reworked that design a bit, maybe threw in a low-speed fan and in turn decreased the size of the heat sink, the cube design could be a very nice, fairly extendable system.
I also noticed that the AGP slot in the cube is actually a riser board attached to a standard PCI slot... Possible to have headless cube w/ some PCI card sticking out the side? (if you don't mind keeping the core out of it's beautiful case...)

a bit of background info:
I had been a PC user all my life, and since OS X 10.0 came out I had really liked the UI... w/ 10.2 I really really wanted one, but couldn't afford it... but a couple months ago I finally gave in and bid on a Cube on EBay... I was instantly hooked on everything apple as soon as I got it (and upgraded the RAM, fixed some small other problems) and ended up taking out an apple loan and ordering the "low end" 1.6GHz G5, which is REALLY nice... And now, my PC has been thrown in the closet... I might eventually turn it into a fileserver, or might salvage it for parts... one thing is for sure... other than to maybe install Darwin on it and use it as a server, I won't be hooking my monitor/keyboard back up to it again...

Okay, I'm done rambling now...

okay, so I'm not...
Also wanted to throw in that only Apple could make a system crash look cool... the pictures of kernel panics I've seen had me doing a double take... kernel panic, but the system still manages to darken the screen and display a window saying you need to restart... hella better than BSOD

512ke
Oct 4, 2003, 02:08 PM
Since this topic is getting a bit elastic I'll also ramble.

Ok, maybe the emac isn't perfect (although I think it's perfect for the price). However, the fact of having the emac is important for Apple. I mean what other computer company has had sustained success with this type of all-in-one design?

I think there is something about the all-in-one that "fits" Apple. Perhaps it's the idea of getting everything perfectly in one purchase: the great os, the wonderful and complete iapps, the superdrive, the screen, all in one elegant box.

Even if Apple revives the great design of the cube, I'll bet we'll still see a sub $1000 all-in-one, be it imac or emac.

My 512ke all-in-one still works well.

Coca-Cola
Oct 4, 2003, 03:38 PM
Yes, I think your comments above are correct. Long live the all in one design. I just feel a little burned about not being able to play Jedi Knight 2 with my graphics card and not being able to get a new one. But, I do think that in a year or two I would need a completely new system anyway, faster type ram, HD, usb 2, firewire, different airport. Everything changes, not just the graphics card.

I am sorry eMac. I love you. I think I should buy one now.

I can't make up my mind. I guess I will keep on with my good old G3 400 imac. Yes. It works great.

hvfsl
Oct 5, 2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by Coca-Cola
What about a headless mac. The CRT still being in the line up must gnaw at Steve Jobs. The shipping costs must be gnawing away at Apple's bottom line.

A headless mac would be so great. Think of all the switchers! Just swith your pc box for a mac. Keep your old monitor and junk.

I would love a headless G5 cube thing for the same price as the emac. Is this possible?

Heck, I think without the CRT and a the more expensive motorola chip. You could even lower the price. And, think about the savings in shipping!

One pci slot, 4 ram slots, that's all I ask, oh, yeah, it could be aluminum too. Please, Please.

I would get a new cube as well, but only if it costs less than the PM G5s, but it could cost more than an eMac. I would like:

1.6 or 1.8Ghz G5
256MB DDR333 RAM
60GB or 120GB Hard Disk
Radeon 9000 or 9600 Graphics
1 AGP8X and 1 PCI

All for around $1000

Rocketman
Oct 5, 2003, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Centris 650
I really don't understand Job's aversion to a desktop model. (ie. headless iMac) I bet if the Cube had done better we'd see more of this type of option.Personally I think we really do need a new Cube-tyoe-machine. Limited expandibility but minus the built in monitor. I would love to know Job's reason for not building such a machine.

They sold a zilllion si's and LC's.

Rocketman

pjkelnhofer
Oct 6, 2003, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Coca-Cola
...

I can't make up my mind. I guess I will keep on with my good old G3 400 imac. Yes. It works great.

I am in the same boat. My G3 400 iMac works great and I love it, but I use FCP 4 and DVD Studio 2 at work and would like to be able to use it at home. Sadly, these need an 800 G4. I am hoping for such eMacs refurbs to re-appear in the applestore, but a speed bump and a price drop on new ones would be even better.

ps. I am saving towards a G5 next year, but want to run those programs now. So I am trying to do it as cheaply as possible.

yamabushi
Oct 6, 2003, 09:38 PM
The new eMac needs to be much cheaper. Apple should have a cheap Mac available for those people who are considering switching to the Mac but balk at the price. Sell it for around $599US. The iMac should also be kept fairly cheap at around $999. People who want more can pick up a decked out iMac or entry level PowerMac G5 in the $1200-2000 range. Price seems to be the main factor stopping several people I know from switching to a Mac.

RichardCarletta
Oct 7, 2003, 08:03 PM
Second generation G5 this spring ( 2.4 GHZ ) for the PowerMacs will allow iMacs and eMacs to get 1.6 and 1.8 GHZ G5 around May 2004 . eMac could possibbly have a special edition model with 19" 2048 X 1536 flatscreen monitor and Radeon 9800 for $2000 . :)

yamabushi
Oct 7, 2003, 08:42 PM
Hah. Sounds more like an iMac than an eMac. Still, I'd buy one for a dollar. Maybe even two dollars. Okay, you win...two thousand. Still not enough? C'mon gimmie. :D

Si
Oct 20, 2003, 03:39 AM
:( Apple will probably only do a speed boost and perhaps USB2.
But they should look at the following for the next development of the eMac :
a) DDR Ram instead of S-DRam 133
b) reducation in fan noise. Our ICT suite sounds like an airport when all of the eMacs are switch on, but not as loud as an XServe!!!


Perhaps apple will amaze everyone when they do get round to the next development of the eMac and go to a small form computer with plugable monitor (i.e. a cut down PowerMac) or maybe this is what the iMac might be?