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Techguy172
Dec 20, 2007, 08:32 AM
Ok, I have been looking at iPods lately and previously I really like the Touch but lately i have gotten into podcasts and audiobooks and now my library has gotten bigger but here is the main problem does the touch do podcasts? I don't see an icon for them on the pictures and i can't find any info on apple's site.

Thanks in advance



Jasonbot
Dec 20, 2007, 09:11 AM
Yeah, the Touch does podcasts. Very well infact. I love my touch and if you look at it logically, do you actually listen to ALL your music at once? no of course not and thus the Touch is great for music and stuff. And of course applications.

Techguy172
Dec 20, 2007, 02:47 PM
Thanks a lot, But i have one more question How is the touch's battery life For video and music.

OrangeCuse44
Dec 20, 2007, 02:56 PM
Thanks a lot, But i have one more question How is the touch's battery life For video and music.

Check out Apple's web site, they give you estimates for quite a bit of things, such as battery life for video.

Jasonbot
Dec 20, 2007, 03:35 PM
audio 22 video 5 I think. I've never really timed mine

danny_w
Dec 20, 2007, 03:42 PM
Is the touch really that much better than the iPhone on battery life? Although Apple states "up to 24 hours" it really dies after 5-6 hours of music (but talk time & standby time are right on the mark). I never use my iPhone anymore for audio because the battery life stinks (among other reasons). I just assumed that the touch was the same.

Techguy172
Dec 20, 2007, 04:45 PM
Ya see that's the problem I really like the touch but it's battery life is not so good and storage is just ok and it's missing my friend the Click Wheel i'm starting to think the Classic is a better deal right now.

danny_w
Dec 20, 2007, 04:48 PM
The lack of the click wheel is my other main reason not to use my iPhone for audio. While the touch i/f is great for many things, it is a bad mp3 player i/f IMHO.

Techguy172
Dec 20, 2007, 04:52 PM
I know Thats really more and more what I'm Thinking I remember with my old nano 1st Gen I really liked the clickwheel.

cornerdealy
Dec 20, 2007, 04:52 PM
the touch is a great device, real sleek and sexy. The touch interface is awesome. The problems though is that the battery life isnt so good, and 16gb is just too small.

I know the argument about never being able to listen to your entire library in one charge, but i don't buy it. If you're anything like me, you don't know what you're gonna want to listen to later on in the day, so it's impossible for me to pick certain albums to put on in the morning before i go out. Sure, I'll never listen to my whole library in one day, but I sure as hell enjoy the option to pick whatever I want on a whim. Also, if you like having TV shows and movies with you, the space becomes all the more smaller.

The classic might not be as fancy as the touch, but that doesn't mean it's a worse device. The battery life is phenomenal, the click wheel is tried and true and having the ability to access anything in your music movies and tv library is fantastic.

danny_w
Dec 20, 2007, 04:59 PM
I know Thats really more and more what I'm Thinking I remember with my old nano 1st Gen I really liked the clickwheel.
I also came from a 1st gen nano, and was very disappointed by the iPod implementation in the iPhone. So I went out and got a shuffle (not as good as the nano, but cheaper).

dllavaneras
Dec 20, 2007, 05:04 PM
If you're anything like me, you don't know what you're gonna want to listen to later on in the day, so it's impossible for me to pick certain albums to put on in the morning before i go out.

Excellent point! Just having the option to decide what you want to listen to (or watch, if you're into video podcasts, tv shows, etc) is worth it. Since I keep my music player in my pocket most of the time, there's little reason for it to have a lot of eye candy.

Cloudane
Dec 20, 2007, 05:09 PM
I think basically if you're not excited by the Touch enough for it to become a decision on its own, the Classic is probably better for you. It's tried and tested, 10x more storage, better battery life, basically the best you can get if your main concern is audio (and perhaps a bit of video)

If on the other hand you're interested in wireless internet browsing or sharing a photo collection when out and about with friends/family/etc, and viewing video (albeit less of it) on a decent screen, the Touch is the way to go.

GimmeSlack12
Dec 20, 2007, 05:17 PM
The battery life is phenomenal, the click wheel is tried and true and having the ability to access anything in your music movies and tv library is fantastic.

Battery life is amazing. True that.

Techguy172
Dec 20, 2007, 05:28 PM
The only Problem is that i like to watch Video podcasts.

Cloudane
Dec 20, 2007, 05:34 PM
Go to an Apple store and see what the screen's like perhaps, see if it's comfortable for podcasts?

If I was only interested in music and video podcasts, I'd still probably have gone for the Classic. However since I knew I'd use the web browser frequently as well as the excellent photo functionality and was already drooling over the interface, the Touch won.

Have a look at your collection, and calculate whether you'd use up more than 16GB. If you're only ever going to use 7GB or something then yeah, the Touch is a no brainer.

GimmeSlack12
Dec 20, 2007, 05:35 PM
The only Problem is that i like to watch Video podcasts.

The Classic does video just fine.

Techguy172
Dec 20, 2007, 05:37 PM
The Classic does video just fine.

Is the Screen too small though or is it acceptable. These podcast are about 45mins long.

dukebound85
Dec 20, 2007, 05:42 PM
the touch is a great device, real sleek and sexy. The touch interface is awesome. The problems though is that the battery life isnt so good, and 16gb is just too small.

I know the argument about never being able to listen to your entire library in one charge, but i don't buy it. If you're anything like me, you don't know what you're gonna want to listen to later on in the day, so it's impossible for me to pick certain albums to put on in the morning before i go out. Sure, I'll never listen to my whole library in one day, but I sure as hell enjoy the option to pick whatever I want on a whim. Also, if you like having TV shows and movies with you, the space becomes all the more smaller.

The classic might not be as fancy as the touch, but that doesn't mean it's a worse device. The battery life is phenomenal, the click wheel is tried and true and having the ability to access anything in your music movies and tv library is fantastic.

i used to think like that until i got the touch. if i want to listen to something that i dont have on my touch i end up listening to something else and really it hasnt bothered me. on my old ipod, 90% of my songs were never listened to probably

just my thoughts. plus i like solid state more as you can do things

cornerdealy
Dec 20, 2007, 05:46 PM
i used to think like that until i got the touch. if i want to listen to something that i dont have on my touch i end up listening to something else and really it hasnt bothered me. on my old ipod, 90% of my songs were never listened to probably

just my thoughts. plus i like solid state more as you can do things

well i used to think the opposite when i first got my nano. But it got increasingly frustrating whenever i really felt like listening to a certain thing and i couldnt do it.

Sure, I could settle for somethign else to listen to, but it never made me happy.

dukebound85
Dec 20, 2007, 05:47 PM
well i used to think the opposite when i first got my nano. But it got increasingly frustrating whenever i really felt like listening to a certain thing and i couldnt do it.

Sure, I could settle for somethign else to listen to, but it never made me happy.

to each his own. just stating what i personally had found the case for me.

GimmeSlack12
Dec 20, 2007, 05:49 PM
Is the Screen too small though or is it acceptable. These podcast are about 45mins long.

Unless the podcasts are widescreen, its not gonna matter if you watch on a Touch or Classic. The Classic's screen is pretty vivid (that means good!).

Techguy172
Dec 20, 2007, 06:35 PM
Crap Some of the podCasts are wide screen oh well.

safetyobc
Jan 3, 2008, 08:51 AM
I have both. I started with the Classic, but now have the touch. I too was skeptical about the size of the memory. I had about 30 GB of data on my iPod "Classic." The 16 GB I was scared I wouldn't have enough memory.

However, once I got the Touch, went through my Library and decided what I actually listened to, what Podcasts I wanted, etc. I have about 10 GB on the Touch. I still have around 5 + GB free. I created smart playlists like my top rated songs, top 30 most listened to, etc. Then I went through my Podcast list and selected the ones I really liked and would watch/listen to while out and about.

Also, to save space, some Podcasts offer different formats. If you get the ones formatted for the iPod (sometimes called small) they take up less space. Watching Video on the Touch is a pure joy! It looks terrific!

I have found that 16 GB is plenty for me. I love having a WiFi device in my pocket with editable calender, calculator, etc. The Touch is an AWESOME device. I sold my Palm TX and got the Touch and have never been happier with a purchase.

The Touch does have it's down sides. Apple should have put a play/pause button and volume buttons on the outside. But having to "Touch" the screen for these functions isn't that difficult.

Good luck on your decision. Both iPods are great.

Techguy172
Jan 3, 2008, 09:01 AM
Yeah, You see on boxing day I had the opportunity to try the Touch for a little while and I have to say I was impressed, Now I don't know if I like it better but the Touch screen was better than I had previously thought so Now I'm considering more and more but it just doesn't seem completely usable because I would have to take it out my pocket for skipping to the next song and so on.

It does seem gorges for video the screen is large and bright. and coverflow was pretty quick. Overall it was nice but I'm still not so sure.

safetyobc
Jan 3, 2008, 09:05 AM
Like a previous poster said, if you are having that much trouble deciding, go with the Classic. It is a great iPod. Large Capacity, you can operate it in your pocket, etc. The Video on the Classic is nice, and very viewable.

Sesshi
Jan 3, 2008, 09:19 AM
I think if music is the primary driver of your portable purchase, the Classic is still the better bet - especially if the model you buy is capable of swallowing your entire music collection.

I want more from a PMP than the Touch offers, and ultimately if you have a laptop and/or a smartphone to boot, I think you do realise after a while how little substance there is with the Touch experience. It's a great flashy toy for occasional use as far as I'm concerned and I tend to use it that way. For 'serious' portable music listening it's either the Classic or a barrage of non-iPods for me. As far as PMP duties go I'm plumping for a Cowon A3.

Techguy172
Jan 3, 2008, 09:23 AM
As of now the Touch can swallow my music library but it's growing fast the only thing I could do is create a list of my favorite songs. so it would fit in the future. It would also have to hold movies too.

Jasonbot
Jan 3, 2008, 09:23 AM
My grandad put it very well this afternoon when I discussed the pros and cons of my 16Gb iPod Touch vs. his 80Gb 5th gen. iPod. He likened an iPod Touch to a car with electric windows,

*after a conversation of flash vs. HDD*

Him: Did you see the windows on my Nissan today?
Me: Yes
Him: one and a half turns down, one and a half turns up.
Me: It's not that bad, lol.
Him: You know, cars these days aren't very different to cars of the past, they do what they do. Only these days they have all sorts of kak like electric windows, you don't need them but they're nice to have and the manufacturers just spew them onto you.

So there's an old man's perspective of the situation..

Techguy172
Jan 3, 2008, 09:27 AM
My grandad put it very well this afternoon when I discussed the pros and cons of my 16Gb iPod Touch vs. his 80Gb 5th gen. iPod. He likened an iPod Touch to a car with electric windows,

*after a conversation of flash vs. HDD*

Him: Did you see the windows on my Nissan today?
Me: Yes
Him: one and a half turns down, one and a half turns up.
Me: It's not that bad, lol.
Him: You know, cars these days aren't very different to cars of the past, they do what they do. Only these days they have all sorts of kak like electric windows, you don't need them but they're nice to have and the manufacturers just spew them onto you.

So there's an old man's perspective of the situation..

That was actually very good and that is exactly where MP3 players have gone people demand more feature however with all these features People lose focus on what they were designed to do Music. The Touch has all these fancy features that people like but it loses focus on music quality.

Sesshi
Jan 3, 2008, 09:41 AM
As of now the Touch can swallow my music library but it's growing fast the only thing I could do is create a list of my favorite songs. so it would fit in the future. It would also have to hold movies too.

It also really depends on whether you're going to squint at a Touch-sized screen for any length of time as far as movies are concerned, doesn't it?

In my case the driving factor of ordering the slightly larger A3 (it has a staggering set of capabilities but I expect to be using it almost solely as a video and audio playback machine) was that it would not only play back VOB files (i.e. direct DVD rips) but that it is beginning to be large (.5" may not seem like a lot, but it is a noticeable difference IMO in a device of this class, especially with the resolution difference) and high-res (800 x 480) enough to be playing DVD's on my side when I'm working at my laptop in a hotel room somewhere, and I wouldn't have to clutter my increasingly SSD-based laptops with VOB files.

The Classic does video too, and for me it's more than enough for squinting at the occasional video podcast on the train. Too 'big' a screen - e.g. my 4.5" 1024 x 600 Sony UX's - makes iPod-res Podcasts look distinctly grotty.

Techguy172
Jan 3, 2008, 12:28 PM
You, Know I wish i Could just get both unfortunately the wallet won't let me but I'm going with the Classic Thanks guys for the help! Maybe I'll get the touch later when it get's updated.

SLC Flyfishing
Jan 3, 2008, 01:17 PM
iTunes keeps a log of how many times you listen to (or watch) each item in your library, when I only had a 4 gig Nano I relied on this list to help me know what stuff I wanted to always have with me.

But now that I have an 80 GB classic and don't have to decide I like it much better, the screen is really nice and I think it's better than I thought to watch video on, plus it's lots cheaper than the touch

SLC

jamesony
Jan 12, 2008, 06:29 AM
I own a ipod classic (80gb) and it is so much better then ipod touches as they have hardly any memory!!!!
and it has 40hours of music and 5 hours of video (INCREDIBLE) around 20-40,000 songs and well HELL heaps of videos!!!!!

JesterJJZ
Jan 18, 2008, 05:23 AM
The Classic does video just fine.

Yeah...I watched video for the first time on mine on a recent plane ride. Not as bad as I thought, very comfortable. Personally I feel an mp3 player you need to look at to operate is a crappy idea. Am I the only one that likes buttons? If the iPhone had a real keypad I might get one. Dialing on that thing is slow and awkward.

Dalriada
Jan 18, 2008, 07:20 AM
I'm also in the middle of choosing between an iPod Classic and and iPod Touch to replace my very ancient 3G iPod. One point I did pick up in certain reviews was that the audio quality of the Classic is better with some saying the Touch had a hiss. If audio is your main interest then make sure to try both out.

:apple:Dal

jamesony
Jan 21, 2008, 10:36 PM
the ipod classic is so easy to use and doesn't scratch as easily as the older ipods as it is made of proper metal
by the way does anyone know where i can get FULL length family guy videos that are free and easy to download????????
cheers

Techguy172
Jan 22, 2008, 01:15 PM
I like the Touch's new software update it looks really cool and they just lowered the price for the canadians a nice break for us.

JesterJJZ
Jan 23, 2008, 03:09 AM
by the way does anyone know where i can get FULL length family guy videos that are free and easy to download????????
cheers

Like so you can steal them? :rolleyes:

Yaboze
Jan 24, 2008, 12:04 PM
I know this post is a month old or so, but I wanted to throw in some comments.

I had a iPod G4 20g, which is monochrome, no video, but the scrolling was fast at least.

I have a lot of music and eventually filled it. For me I wanted the choice of being able to pick what I wanted and not just have a playlist of a smaller amount. There was more stuff I wanted to put on it and had to take stuff off.

This past Holiday I got the 80G Classic. I was considering the Touch, mainly because it was new, slick, cool and had web stuff. After much thought, I decided that all I needed was more space and the color and other stuff was a bonus.

Going from iPod G4 to a iPod Classic is like going from a Mac Plus to a Aluminum iMac with a Core 2 Duo.

The screen was better than expected, the menus are nice, but seem slower and the extra stuff like the games and video playback are nice. The Album art thing is new to me, since I couldn't do that before.

So, I guess if you are more into internet, video, photos get the Touch, if you are a music FREAK then you are going to need more than 16meg. Another thing I liked was the silver seemed like it would scratch less and looked more durable.

Techguy172
Jan 24, 2008, 12:27 PM
I know this post is a month old or so, but I wanted to throw in some comments.

I had a iPod G4 20g, which is monochrome, no video, but the scrolling was fast at least.

I have a lot of music and eventually filled it. For me I wanted the choice of being able to pick what I wanted and not just have a playlist of a smaller amount. There was more stuff I wanted to put on it and had to take stuff off.

This past Holiday I got the 80G Classic. I was considering the Touch, mainly because it was new, slick, cool and had web stuff. After much thought, I decided that all I needed was more space and the color and other stuff was a bonus.

Going from iPod G4 to a iPod Classic is like going from a Mac Plus to a Aluminum iMac with a Core 2 Duo.

The screen was better than expected, the menus are nice, but seem slower and the extra stuff like the games and video playback are nice. The Album art thing is new to me, since I couldn't do that before.

So, I guess if you are more into internet, video, photos get the Touch, if you are a music FREAK then you are going to need more than 16meg. Another thing I liked was the silver seemed like it would scratch less and looked more durable.


Thanks for the input to be honest i still haven't made my decision I almost bought one until my canon printer I wanted went on sale so i bought that which is kind of good because now I have more time to decide.

Roram7
Jan 25, 2008, 11:47 AM
went from 20 gb 3rd gen to nano 4g 1st gen....spent tw years micromanaging my music on a weekly/daily basis. Gosh darn am I glad to be back to infinite space.....feels hella good....i was torn between both just like all of these other people....i made the decision on the classic after thre emonths of being torn....i'm so effing happy about the decision.......fyi i have a blackberry so if i really need intrnet and all that good **** i go to my blackberry. honestly, touch is "wow" factor for liek all but ten minutes, then wehen it comes down to it, liek the car analogy, the bells and whistles do jack..........space is the true accomodation....

micha10589
Jan 26, 2008, 08:20 AM
The only Problem is that i like to watch Video podcasts.

I have an iPod 5G (aka 1st gen video). 60 Gb, big enough for my whole music library, videos, photos and podcasts.

The video experience still strikes me as amazingly good. I even watch widescreen movies on it (in bed) occasionally and find it acceptable. For TV shows and video podcasts, where image aesthetics don't count (so much), it's completely adequate.

In your case I would definitely go with the iPod Classic 80 Gb. Incredible storage, much better battery life, good video experience, much better handling due to the touch wheel and Cover Flow to boot, which is btw so much nicer if you have a lot of music on your device. I've tried the iPod Touch of friends and in stores and I find it a bit disappointing to browse music in Cover Flow mode and find just 1 or 2 titles "behind" the album cover.

shoppy
Jan 30, 2008, 05:18 AM
I purchased a classic 80gb as my iphone was just pants IMHO and I gave that to my wife and use a nano and the classic. I am currently away for a few weeks and I have my entire music collection and my entire Black adder series as well as 12 movies on my classic and I am not missing my laptop.