Got a PS3 for xmas but want a 360

[MacNut]

So I got a PS3 for Christmas but I really would rather have a 360, as of right now is a 360 still a better system or should I stick with the PS3. I really want xbox live, don't have an HDTV and don't expect to get one anytime soon so the DVD aspect is useless to me. Based on game play and the number of games out what am I better off doing, keeping the PS3 or returning it for the 360.

[swiftaw]

How about you appreciate the generous gift that someone bought you

[Eidorian]

Return the PS3 if you really want the 360.

[MacNut]

How about you appreciate the generous gift that someone bought youBecause I can save my mother a few hundred bucks.:)
Return the PS3 if you really want the 360.What is still considered the better system or are they both even now, game wise.

[Chone]

Because I can save my mother a few hundred bucks.:)
What is still considered the better system or are they both even now, game wise.

I would say they are even now but it also depends on the person, personally I don't see anything on either console but I would prefer having a PS3 because it's getting Metal Gear Solid 4 and already has great games like Ratchet & Clank and it's also getting Grand Theft Auto IV, Haze and Devil May Cry 4.

The 360 has some nice exclusives like Halo 3 (not nice for me, I think Halo 3 is an average game at best) and Bioshock (a good game, held back by the retards at 2K Games but a good game nevertheless).

What I'm trying to say is, you can't go wrong with neither one, sure there are some exclusives here and there but I would say both systems offer similar experiences right now and none really lacks worthwhile games... that being said you could always trade your PS3 and a get a 360 and a Wii, man Super Mario Galaxy is one of the best games I've played this year.

[MacNut]

I want to do a lot of online play, is xbox live that much better then what the PS3 has.

[Nermal]

(Deleted: Shouldn't have said it)

[psychofreak]

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the PS3 can even play HD DVDs! (Yes, I'm aware you need an addon for the 360 but I've never even heard of a PS3 equivalent).

The PS3 can play Blu-Ray disks without an add on, and there is an ongoing "war" between the two formats.

[swiftaw]

I'm not a "console person" but I think the 360 is the better choice at the moment; it's certainly the one I'd buy. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the PS3 can even play HD DVDs! (Yes, I'm aware you need an addon for the 360 but I've never even heard of a PS3 equivalent).

PS3's play Blu-Ray

[v-ault]

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the PS3 can even play HD DVDs! (Yes, I'm aware you need an addon for the 360 but I've never even heard of a PS3 equivalent).

Is that a joke?

Heard of blu-ray? It's competing against HD DVD and it's winning so far. The ps3 does blu-ray.

[sam10685]

No offense, but you remind me of the video on youtubr where the girl is pissed her parents got her a red sports car instead of blue. (or whatever.) If I got you the gift, I'd return it and put the 5 - 600 back in my wallet.

[Nermal]

Is that a joke?

Yes, but it wasn't a very good one :(

[MacNut]

No offense, but you remind me of the video on youtubr where the girl is pissed her parents got her a red sports car instead of blue. (or whatever.) If I got you the gift, I'd return it and put the 5 - 600 back in my wallet.If I opt for the 360 I would be saving my Mother money by crediting her back a few hundred bucks. I am asking based on game play and game titles available what is the better system at the moment. My initial desire was a 360 but am asking the pros and cons of each. Ideally I would love to have both.

Aside from Rachet and Clank are there any other PS3 exclusives that are worth the extra $$

[psychofreak]

Aside from Rachet and Clank are there any other PS3 exclusives that are worth the extra $$

Time Crisis 4 :)

[MacNut]

I want to hear from someone that has both systems and get a review of both systems, good and bad and and tell what one they would rather have if they could only have one.

[Shacklebolt]

I want to hear from someone that has both systems and get a review of both systems, good and bad and and tell what one they would rather have if they could only have one.

Well aren't you a fussy one. I have both.

It's an obnoxious thing to say, but you should get an HDTV. You can get a decent, 26 inch 720p one these days for something like 400 dollars. The 360 and the PS3 are both high definition gaming systems. Playing them on a non HDTV is like buying a Porsche 911 Turbo and then using it to drive around parking lot.

I find that the gap has been narrowed over the past year between the PS3 and the 360 in terms of games. Ratchet and Clank I really enjoyed, and plan to enjoy MGS4 too, as well as wet myself when they FINALLY announce FFXIII.

The 360 is not an elegant piece of machinery. It feels very cheap when you pick it up. The PS3 is verrrry pretty, and built like a tank. Plus, type "Red Ring Of Death" into the forums searcher. I've heard of a lot more problems with the 360's hardware then I have concerning the PS3's hardware.

That said, I really do enjoy the 360's games more, as well as some of the downloadable content off XBL. Streets of Rage 2? I mean, come on! AWESOME. I'm not as huge a fan of the 360 for playing in big Halo 3 deathmatches online, because you commonly get destroyed by 12 year olds who spit out profanity every time they cut you in half with the power sword. But yeah, XBL is a great way to play against friends of yours from disparate lands.

However, XBL Gold (the version you need to play against people online - silver is free, and is used simply to download content) costs 100 dollars per year. The Playstation 3's network is free.

To be honest, I've found the graphics on the PS3 to just be better. Ratchet and Clank has some scenes that really do blow your mind, and the physics engine in it is just sick.

It is undeniable that the 360 has a wide selection of games so far, and one of my favorite games ever is Gears of War. It does make me a bit annoyed that I feel that the "exclusive" titles for the 360 that get incredible reviews (Gears/Bioshock) are just insanely, insanely violent. I'd really like to see more top notch content that's not just geared towards people with strong stomachs. With titles like Ratchet and Clank already out, and Little Big Planet on the way, I feel like PS3's quality content actually covers a wider age range.

I do like them both, and again, the games for the 360 _so far_ have been, one the whole, superior. I mean, what can you say - there are just more good games currently out for the 360 than there are for the PS3. However, after a false start, I feel like the PS3 is picking up speed, and I feel like the PS3's upcoming games are far, far more exciting than those for the 360. We'll see what 2008 brings.

[MacNut]

Is there a big difference from xbox live to what Sony has in terms of online play or is it really not that big a deal.

[psychofreak]

Is there a big difference from xbox live to what Sony has in terms of online play or is it really not that big a deal.

Xbox live isn't free, but its MUCH better...however Sony may have some important updates up their sleeves...

[sam10685]

If I opt for the 360 I would be saving my Mother money by crediting her back a few hundred bucks. I am asking based on game play and game titles available what is the better system at the moment. My initial desire was a 360 but am asking the pros and cons of each. Ideally I would love to have both.

Aside from Rachet and Clank are there any other PS3 exclusives that are worth the extra $$

Both systems are incredibly good so I'd keep it if I were you. Every system has exclusives, so either way, if you have just one of the systems, you will want the other to play exclusives. Plus the ps3 has built in wireless and a built in HD player. Plus your mom already bought it. Keep it. I know it'd hurt my feelings if I bought someone a 5 - 600 dollar system and they returned it for a 400 dollar one. Your mom obviously has no money issue's unlike a large percentage of us.

[ZenErik]

I personally prefer the PS3's upcoming selection of games. However, you, the thread starter, seem to have NO IDEA about games at all. Do you even know any games you want to play? That should help guide you.

[MacRumorUser]

The key is games.

You prefer the games on the 360 so there's one tick in your favor.


You prefer to be playing online

If most of your friends have 360's then that the only want your going to be playing them. PSN is ok, but has many missing key features and regardless of LIVE! extra $ it is unquestionably a better service than PSN.

If you get a 360, get LIVE off ebay. You can get it half price on there. ;)



As we have covered this base so many times, graphically and power wise - reality is that both machines are pretty much even and will continue to be, especially considering 85% of games are multi-platform.

So make your choice based on the exclusive game difference, and I've already covered online aspect.

There is no right or wrong. It's YOUR preference and YOUR choice. If you prefer a 360, then thats OK, and anyone telling you your wrong is biased and trying to force their own position rather than respecting your own. So make your own choice and stick with it :)

[Dagless]

Take it back and get a PS3 a few years down the line :) give your mum the cost difference and all's well.

The PS3 has got a few fan favourite games at the moment, whereas the 360 has a slew of extremely high rated games in more genres with more online features.

[iEdd]

Oh geez another one of these threads. :o

I cannot recommend enough that you keep the PS3. We have both and the PS3 has many more things I like over the 360:
+ Bluray
+ FREE online play, not $100/year/account on xbox LIVE
+ WiFi, seriously (I think one of the 47502 xbox models has this by now)
+ Built in PSU so you don't have to cart a brick around
+ You can re-order the controllers by pressing the PS button. On the 360 you need to turn them all off then turn them back on in the new order.
+ Looks. Although both consoles are somewhat ugly, the PS3 has shiny polycarbonate which looks better than beige plastic. :p
+ 4 front USB ports
+ Lower failure rate due to overheating or generalised dead-console syndrome (don't know the exact percentages, most are made up anyway).

Just IMO of course.

[Dagless]

+ FREE online play, not $100/year/account on xbox LIVE

It's a $100 for Xbox Live?

[iEdd]

$87US then. I don't know what it costs in other countries.

[Dagless]

Ah right so it's not $100. Anything else you'd like to correct in your "advice" post?

[Mackilroy]

Um, you're doubling the price. I pay $50 a year for XBL, not $100 or even $87.

That said, I own both a PS3 and a 360. Were I in your position, I would return the PS3 and get the 360 because the 360 has a. a lot more games, and b. more highly rated ones. Sure, the PS3 finally has a few nice games, but the 360's still stomps it by far in quantity, while not losing quality.

I'd only really go for a PS3 if you wanted Blu-ray and a few good games right now.

[desenso]

But the people recommending that he switch to the 360 seem to be doing so based on a comparison that ignores the fact that he'll be returning a generous Christmas present. Come on! Stop being a whiny brat and just be happy with the generous gift you got. http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Shacklebolt]

...just be happy with the generous gift you got. http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Seriously though - that's good advice too. Your mom would really like the idea that she got you the right gift, and I doubt, if she bought you a PS3 in the first place when she was not entirely sure that you would like it (obviously), the purchase hardly broke the bank. I know that someone returning a present I got them while saying, "I don't like it, but as compensation, here's some money!" kind of isn't in the spirit of Christmas.

PS3's a good system, and a very generous gift. You'll be happy with it later this year when you're playing Metal Gear Solid 4 and GTA 4.

I think what separates this thread from the other "360 vs. PS3" posts is that it's not really a question of 360 vs. PS3. It's a question of returning a PS3 _gift_ to get a 360. They're both fine, so try to be happy with what you have - as an owner of both, I'm telling you that it really is possible.

[Much Ado]

I think what separates this thread from the other "360 vs. PS3" posts is that it's not really a question of 360 vs. PS3. It's a question of returning a PS3 _gift_ to get a 360.

Yes, if this was just an "i bought a PS3 i want a 360" thread, then it would be much easier. The gift-aspect is something i think only the OP can answer: will your mother be offended/upset/aware if you swap the console? That's the question, because you clearly want the 360.

(Disclaimer: The PS3 isn't half-good though ;))

[twoodcc]

well i have both, and i like them both. to me, the only thing the xbox has that the ps3 doesn't is the gamerscore. other than that, i really like the ps3 better.

but that's me. do whatever you want with yours. if i were you, i'd keep the ps3

[Shacklebolt]

... the only thing the xbox has that the ps3 doesn't is the gamerscore.

This is arguably true. And all of the top "scoring" exclusive titles for 360 are first-person shooters. Btw, video game companies are very, very aware these days that gamers play close attention to Metacritic, and push sites hard to make sure their games get assigned the highest score possible. I bought Bioshock expecting it to be the most incredible game ever, and indeed it was quite good, but many of the gameplay aspects weren't thought out well, at all (that whole plasmids thing, for example - by the end, you weren't using them at all except to hack cameras, and were just leaning heavily on conventional weaponry - whether this was an aspect of the plot was debatable, as the developers obviously spent a ton of time on a system that turned out to not be particularly useful by the end), leading me to think, "And this is the 'perfect game'" how?

So yeah, don't necessarily think a system is better because of higher "rated" games. Both systems have good exclusive and cross platforms titles. Also, you'll notice how there's a lot more talk about upcoming PS3 games on this board currently than there is of upcoming 360 games - that's because 2008 looks to be a more exciting year for the PS3. So yeah... I say hold on to it.

[spyker3292]

I just got a PS3 and I like it a lot better than a 360. It actually is cheaper than the 360 if you use Wi-Fi, because the 360 requires a $100 wifi adapter and $50 per year internet. I think you should get some games or download demoes of some exclusives. Try Warhawk and Uncharted. IMO The best good games for 360 are mostly cross-console except for some like Halo so you can still play some great games like Orange Box along with the PS3 exclusives like Warhawk, Uncharted, Killzone, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Gran Turismo. But overall you should just go look at the games, figure out which console has more you want, and what good ones are coming out, and then decide based on that.

[2nyRiggz]

I would suggest keeping the PS3...there are alot of games out now that are great(multiplat & exclusive)

Online is not as complete as live but it gets the job done LAG free no problems.

If you want the 360 then turn over the PS3 and get one....theres not that much of a price difference so don't expect a big turnover.

Have fun with the system of your choice.



Bless

[gco212]

I'd just like to throw out there that I know my parents, when it comes to video games, buy me a game and then tell me to go out and get what I want. They are well aware that they don't know what video games I want, and more or less assume that I'll be exchanging it. I don't know where you're all getting that his mom is going to be offended or will feel better if he keeps the system. First off, you don't know his mother. Let him worry about that. Maybe she would prefer him to get the system that he actually wants.

As far as gaming goes, I honestly can't see how anyone can recommend a PS3 for you. You don't care about Blu-Ray (although I will say, an HD TV does make both systems look awesome), you want the best online service (Xbox Live is far better than PSN, if you don't mind paying $50 a year), and Xbox has the far better game lineup at the moment. I will say though, if you're planning on utilizing wireless, the PS3 has that built in while it costs $100 with the 360, so be prepared for that expense.

[Chone]

I'd just like to throw out there that I know my parents, when it comes to video games, buy me a game and then tell me to go out and get what I want. They are well aware that they don't know what video games I want, and more or less assume that I'll be exchanging it. I don't know where you're all getting that his mom is going to be offended or will feel better if he keeps the system. First off, you don't know his mother. Let him worry about that. Maybe she would prefer him to get the system that he actually wants.

As far as gaming goes, I honestly can't see how anyone can recommend a PS3 for you. You don't care about Blu-Ray (although I will say, an HD TV does make both systems look awesome), you want the best online service (Xbox Live is far better than PSN, if you don't mind paying $50 a year), and Xbox has the far better game lineup at the moment. I will say though, if you're planning on utilizing wireless, the PS3 has that built in while it costs $100 with the 360, so be prepared for that expense.

Who are you to say the 360 has a better lineup? Sure that would have been a mostly accurate statement some months ago but right now they mostly have the same games and some have some great exclusives, it really comes down to taste as far as games goes, the 360 has exclusives like Mass Effect, Halo 3 and Bioshock (and Bioshock can be played on any non-GMA950 Intel Mac just fine) but the PS3 has games like Ratchet, Uncharted, Unreal Tournament III and other games like Call of Duty 4 (which is definitely one of the best games of the year) are multi-platform anyways.

However the best online experience can be found on the 360, LIVE is a pretty darn good system and $50 a year is EXTREMELY low, if you have the luxury of buying a console and games, not being able to afford $4.16 a month would be ridiculous.

[gco212]

Who are you to say the 360 has a better lineup? Sure that would have been a mostly accurate statement some months ago but right now they mostly have the same games and some have some great exclusives, it really comes down to taste as far as games goes, the 360 has exclusives like Mass Effect, Halo 3 and Bioshock (and Bioshock can be played on any non-GMA950 Intel Mac just fine) but the PS3 has games like Ratchet, Uncharted, Unreal Tournament III and other games like Call of Duty 4 (which is definitely one of the best games of the year) are multi-platform anyways.

However the best online experience can be found on the 360, LIVE is a pretty darn good system and $50 a year is EXTREMELY low, if you have the luxury of buying a console and games, not being able to afford $4.16 a month would be ridiculous.


Well, most evidence would say that the Xbox has better games. Take metacritics' rankings of 89 for Uncharted, 87 for Unreal, and 89 for Ratchet, and compare it to 91 for Mass Effect, 94 for Halo 3, and 96 for Bioshock, that would allude to the fact that the Xbox's exclusives are better than PS3. Does it really come down to taste and should be considered opinion? Yes. But by that logic Biodome should be considered to be as good a movie as The Godfather. Let me rephrase my statement. Most people and review sites consider Xbox 360's gaming lineup to be superior to PS3's, though your opinion may vary. Are you happy now?

[Shacklebolt]

Well, most evidence would say that the Xbox has better games. Take metacritics' rankings of 89 for Uncharted, 87 for Unreal, and 89 for Ratchet, and compare it to 91 for Mass Effect, 94 for Halo 3, and 96 for Bioshock, that would allude to the fact that the Xbox's exclusives are better than PS3.

Just as I said before - companies like Microsoft are EXTREMELY well aware that people pay close attention to Metacritic, and game review sites as well, and can lean on these sites (monetarily) to make sure that a game gets a perfect 10/100, instead of, say, a 9.2/92 (etc), as would be indicated by actually reading the review thoroughly.

So yeah - numbers don't mean squat. Or okay - numbers are good for a ballpark, but at a certain point, you have to have a mind of your own.

[zap2]

Its your call...look at the current and upcoming games...which do you like more?


Get that system?

Or keep the PS3, and buy a 360 soon(since the 360 is cheaper, makes sense to have someone buy it for you)

[gloss]

Essentially, the PS3's hardware is better engineered, better assembled, and just plain prettier. Where the 360 has the edge is in the sheer amount of quality games, and in the online system (even if you have to pay for it and a ****ing wireless adapter - EVEN MY DS HAS WIRELESS INCLUDED, MICROSOFT).

I have all three next-gen systems, and each has its pluses and minuses. I find the PS3 a much more pleasurable piece of hardware (especially for DVDs, Blu-rays, etc) but if you're looking for sheer variety of software, the 360s your console. Not to mention that the 360 controller blows the SIXAXIS out of the water.

The PS3's got a lot of future potential, but at the moment (in the US) the 360 owns it in software sales, which is going to translate to a lot more domestic software support for the console, while the PS3 is going to see much more international (read: Japanese) support. So the libraries may well turn out to be very distinct.

I'm rambling, sorry. My overall suggestion would be, if you manage to get an HDTV, to keep the PS3. It's a very nice piece of hardware and should be well worth it down the line. For instant gratification, the 360 may be a better choice.

[zero2dash]

Why do you "want" a 360 over a Ps3?

If there are exclusive games on the 360 that aren't on the Ps3 then I understand that and I would say (with your mom's OK) to sell or trade in the Ps3 for a 360.

If you're not looking for exclusives (Halo 3, Crackdown, Bioshock, Forza 2, PGR4 etc) and the games you want are multiplatform (ie available on both) then keep the Ps3.

Most gamers will end up with both systems anyway by the time the dust clears (I know I will end up with all 3, actually, which many others here are in the same boat). Both are great systems with great games to choose from.

[cycocelica]

Although I relaly don't like these threads, I will respond.

You clearly want to play online games, therefore get the 360. The 360's online program is much much better, and the games you can play online are far superior. Obviously you need to look and see what games are coming out (or are out) that you like and choose the system that way.

As for the people complaining about him not enjoying a gift, why do you think his mom would want him to have something he never wanted? I know personally, my mom would want me to return a gift and get something I will actually enjoy, thus making her money well spent. His mother will be happy when he is happy, this is how mothers are.

I would suggest searching next time though

[gkarris]

How are you saving a few hundred dollars?

Which PS3 did you get?

If you got the more expensive one, you can exchange it for the cheaper on and save $100. I just got the 40Gig and it's great!

The price difference between the 40Gig PS3 and the XBox 360 Premium is only $50. Unless you are going to return the PS3 games too and get a few budget XB360 games.

Both are great systems. Pick a system, some games, and enjoy...

[Nermal]

Ah right so it's not $100. Anything else you'd like to correct in your "advice" post?

I think he's correct. It seems to be $120 here in NZ so $100 sounds right for Australia.

[flopticalcube]

If its money you are looking to save I wouldn't really bother. The base 360, while a decent machine, really suffers from the lack of a hard disk. All the other choices a comparable (maybe not where you are). Other than that it really is a personal choice based on the games available and other uses (blu-ray/HD-DVD/media streaming/Live).

[GFLPraxis]

So I got a PS3 for Christmas but I really would rather have a 360, as of right now is a 360 still a better system or should I stick with the PS3. I really want xbox live, don't have an HDTV and don't expect to get one anytime soon so the DVD aspect is useless to me. Based on game play and the number of games out what am I better off doing, keeping the PS3 or returning it for the 360.

They're pretty close; if you want WiFi, the PS3 is actually cheaper (WiFi is $100 addon on the 360 and is built in on the PS3).

The PS3 has the better hardware for the money at this point, with Blu-ray and WiFi. You also don't have to pay for online play.

I guess it depends on the kind of games you like. You won't find Ratchet and Clank, Resistance: Fall of Man, Uncharted, Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, or any Final Fantasy games on the 360.

The 360 is not considered the "better" system at this point. It current has more games, but is costlier depending on what addons you get; there is no better system.

Unless there is some 360 exclusive that you simply MUST have, I'd just appreciate the gift :) You should also consider how your mom will feel if you return the gift she bought you. It's kind of rude...

[GFLPraxis]

The price difference between the 40Gig PS3 and the XBox 360 Premium is only $50. Unless you are going to return the PS3 games too and get a few budget XB360 games.

Actually, when you factor in XBox Live (verses PSN which is free) there is no price difference. They cost the same amount, except the PS3 also has WiFi.

[icecone]

why is xbox live better than PSN?
i have a 360 but not a ps3

[Coded-Dude]

Because I can save my mother a few hundred bucks.:)
What is still considered the better system or are they both even now, game wise.

How would you save that much money? The 360 is just as expensive, if not more, depending on model and what accessories/features you plan on buying.

[Coded-Dude]

Just as I said before - companies like Microsoft are EXTREMELY well aware that people pay close attention to Metacritic, and game review sites as well, and can lean on these sites (monetarily) to make sure that a game gets a perfect 10/100, instead of, say, a 9.2/92 (etc), as would be indicated by actually reading the review thoroughly.

So yeah - numbers don't mean squat. Or okay - numbers are good for a ballpark, but at a certain point, you have to have a mind of your own.

GameSpot Editor Fired Over Low Review Score (http://vgmwatch.com/?p=1125)
Eidos is/was heavily hooked into Gamespot advertising.

[iEdd]

Ah right so it's not $100. Anything else you'd like to correct in your "advice" post?I think he's correct. It seems to be $120 here in NZ so $100 sounds right for Australia.

Thankyou.

Um, you're doubling the price. I pay $50 a year for XBL, not $100 or even $87.
That would be the same as me trying to tell you that you're halving the price. My post said "I", just like yours did. That is what it costs ME, in my currency, which is (not surprisingly) AUD, as my location says Australia.

Anything else you'd like to correct in your "advice" post?
No, as those are things I like on the PS3 over the 360. You are quite welcome to disagree with it or create your own, I won't love you any less. :p

[MacRumorUser]

and just plain prettier.

Did you get that one out of the

"How To Take A Subjective Opinion and Lay It Out As Fact For Dummies" book you got at xmas


;):p j/k

[XNine]

So... I keep haring people say "Live is better, live is better, live is better." That's been said about 40 times in this thread, and no one has stated why.

For the Thread Starter, I will let you in on my experience with the 360.

Bought a launch unit. It failed 3 months later. Got a replacement. That failed two months later. Now, a year and a half later, the third unit is starting to fail (keep in mind it's in the most open spot in my entertainment center, with about 22 inches above it that is completely open on both sides.)

So, their failure rate sucks. Plus, it scratched the ever loving **** out of my Assassin's Creed disc (no, I didn't tip it, it just made a funny sound when I was playing it and put a huge circular scratch all the way around the disc).

Then the last update wouldn't allow me to go on Live. Why? Well, the Microsoft Tech support guru was wise and said "ah, yeah, you're router isn't compatible." I told him it was plugged straight into my modem. He said "Ah, yeah, your modem isn't compatible."

Seriously, get the **** out of here. He was telling me that after 4 years of using live none of my equipment was compatible. What a douche. I finally got on live after restarting all of my equipment and assigning manual IP and DNS addresses in the network section for the 360.

Save yourself the trouble and heart-ache and keep the PS3.

[iEdd]

Did you get that one out of the

"How To Take A Subjective Opinion and Lay It Out As Fact For Dummies" book you got at xmas


;):p j/k

Haha. :D

To the OP, these threads rarely ever work because everyone has their different opinions and in the end it's up to you. You may play PS3 and wish you had 360 or swap and then wish you had kept PS3 (which would make it even more awkward with your mum if you bought one yourself later).
Maybe you should just make a list of all the games you like (current + upcoming) and decide which system accommodates you the best, then go with that. :)

[MacRumorUser]

why is xbox live better than PSN?
i have a 360 but not a ps3

For a number of reasons.

1. each game MUST have some form of online component. PS3 games do not

2. you have a standardized service which works pretty much the same for every game you play.

3. you have the choice of gamer zones, which does indeed effect the amount of smack talk dependent on the zone you choose.

4. you can sign on, a friend sees that you have come online and can send you a request to play the game.... the PS3 can not do this at all. The PS3 will annoyingly tell you someone has signed on, but indeed to send them a message or communicate with them at all, you must leave your game. Really annoying to be honest, I ended up turning notifications off on the PS3 because you cant do anything with them, other than feel frustrated.

5. gamerscores - love them or hate them. The majority however seem to love them. Having a comparative gamerscore for your Arcade title compared to your friend can create great competition.

6. voice. Quite simply the 360 online has far better voice support in all its games, and it is used very often on online sessions. Whereas PS3 PSN voice support is again left to developers to implement, some don't bother, and some make it so cumbersome or bug ridden that most online gaming sessions on PS3 often feel like bot battles because no one is interacting with each other. This is most annoying in tactical games, when your in a squad and there is zero communication. It can kill the atmosphere totally.

7. Clan support. Quite simply there is far more 'clan' support out there based on 360 and LIVE than there is in PSN. Clan's may not be everyones cup of tea, but they certainly can be fun and addictive.

8. Demos. Sure the PSN has online demo's, but in comparison to the 360 it is constantly playing catch up. Quite often the demo hits 360 Marketplace, but PS3 users are left waiting weeks, months if anything turns up at all. That can be annoying. Most people want to try a game before it's released, not 6 months after its been on the shelves.

I could go on.... but you get the point.

PSN is great because it's free, but offers in comparison a very stripped down package and one that has GLARING omissions. It is very much Generation 1 of Sony's online mission

LIVE is more mature, offers a broader and more complete package, and if providing that service costs $50 a year..... Then the 6 million 360 owners who have gold accounts must think it provides something of value.

If PSN improves and offers the same service and still costs nothing, then we may have somthing to grumble about, but until then people need to stop bitching about LIVE. It is OPTIONAL after all ;)



Maybe you should just make a list of all the games you like (current + upcoming) and decide which system accommodates you the best, then go with that. :)


I said somthing similar back on page one ;)


So... I keep haring people say "Live is better, live is better, live is better." That's been said about 40 times in this thread, and no one has stated why.


I can't type that fast Oni ;)

[XNine]

I can't type that fast Oni ;)

Jeez, fast enough to post an answer a couple of minutes after my reply, a rather lengthy one too (and informative).

I miss ya MRU. You, and a few others, the rest can all die. :p

[MacRumorUser]

I miss ya MRU. You, and a few others, the rest can all die. :p

Miss you too bro. Happy Xmas to you and hope the new year brings you peace, good fortune, success and happiness :)

[cycocelica]

What MRU said. He covered all my points.

Plus anything from Sony that is free really needs to be carefully watched.

[GFLPraxis]

but until then people need to stop bitching about LIVE. It is OPTIONAL after all

This is my one gripe. It's NOT optional if you want to play online.

What Microsoft should have done is make XBox Live Silver allow online play, but pull stat tracking, clan support, the ability to publicly display gamerscore, etc from it; so people who want all the extra features can buy Live, but you can play online (very simple and basic) for free. I'd personally go with that option; It's just like PC online play, and probably still better with Wii (which I don't mind at all).

[MacRumorUser]

This is my one gripe. It's NOT optional if you want to play online.

But you don't have to play online do you. If you do take heart in the knowledge your getting the better system of the three machines.

Like I say, we may see some other basic service or free service IF and WHEN Sony improve their online system and requirement and still offer it for free.

:)


We will wait and see what HOME is like, but personally I'd rather they sort out the XMB so it can be accessed in game, add the other glaring omissions rather than add a layer of complexity and over the top GUI that may be more cumbersome in practice than in theory. But we shall see.... but it does make me think HOME is not so perfect in practice when they keep delaying it over and over again.

[Zwhaler]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3A110a Safari/419.3)

Both systems are better in different ways. IMO, the 360 has better titles out now not available to the PS3 (Gears, Mass Effect, Bioshock) but I think the PS3 is a better system. Blu ray, better reliability, better graphics, more powerful and other factors make it to me a better system for the future. I've had lots of experience with the 360 as well and I just perfer the PS3. Others may disagree, but OP, just stop fretting and enjoy your system.

[zero2dash]

This is my one gripe. It's NOT optional if you want to play online.

What Microsoft should have done is make XBox Live Silver allow online play, but pull stat tracking, clan support, the ability to publicly display gamerscore, etc from it; so people who want all the extra features can buy Live, but you can play online (very simple and basic) for free. I'd personally go with that option; It's just like PC online play, and probably still better with Wii (which I don't mind at all).

Then no one would pay for Live Gold, plain and simple.
You can't have one without the other.
If online play is free yet you have a second tier that costs money, those who pay will feel ripped off. No matter what features the paying customers have over the free ones; if the free ones have online play, then I guarantee you that none of the paying people will find any feature worth the premium that they do pay.

There's only one way to have Live be universally free yet also have the pay service so Gold members don't feel ripped off, and that would be either a) a daily limit on how long Silver members can play online, b) advertising for Silver members (but no ads for Gold members), or c) a combination of both.

For what I get with Live Gold - less than $3 a month is a drop in the bucket. Look at the free alternatives. MRU basically nailed all of it (rightfully so, *he does own all 3*) but I'll add/reemphasize that PSN is in infancy and hardly as feature rich as Live, and as for the Wii online play - look how many games support it. Sorry, I'd rather pay that >$3 a month and know that 99% of the games that come out will support online play.

[Not trying to stir the pot or cause a ruckus - I'm just defending Live]

[Mackilroy]

That would be the same as me trying to tell you that you're halving the price. My post said "I", just like yours did. That is what it costs ME, in my currency, which is (not surprisingly) AUD, as my location says Australia.
And we'd both be right. *laughs* But your point is made. :)

better graphics, more powerful

The Xbox 360 has a more powerful GPU, and the Cell doesn't outstrip the Xenon core by that much.

[2nyRiggz]

I miss ya MRU. You, and a few others, the rest can all die. :p


Oni....long time no see man...glad to have ya back....hope you had a merry merry(I'm talking about drinking here) christmas.

I've yet to update my live account to gold again.....I'm too freaked out about RROD to waste my money on it.

Like I've said before PSN does everything I want...thats play online and it does it well so PSN is great for me.



Bless

[Symtex]

So... I keep haring people say "Live is better, live is better, live is better." That's been said about 40 times in this thread, and no one has stated why.

For the Thread Starter, I will let you in on my experience with the 360.

Bought a launch unit. It failed 3 months later. Got a replacement. That failed two months later. Now, a year and a half later, the third unit is starting to fail (keep in mind it's in the most open spot in my entertainment center, with about 22 inches above it that is completely open on both sides.)

So, their failure rate sucks. Plus, it scratched the ever loving **** out of my Assassin's Creed disc (no, I didn't tip it, it just made a funny sound when I was playing it and put a huge circular scratch all the way around the disc).

Then the last update wouldn't allow me to go on Live. Why? Well, the Microsoft Tech support guru was wise and said "ah, yeah, you're router isn't compatible." I told him it was plugged straight into my modem. He said "Ah, yeah, your modem isn't compatible."

Seriously, get the **** out of here. He was telling me that after 4 years of using live none of my equipment was compatible. What a douche. I finally got on live after restarting all of my equipment and assigning manual IP and DNS addresses in the network section for the 360.

Save yourself the trouble and heart-ache and keep the PS3.

I bought a launch unit and it's still working. It's connected to Xbox live since day 1. I have over 15 games for X360 and only 1 game for my PS3 : FF XII. You heard me, I don't even own a PS3 game because there is not much to play right now on that platform. If the game is multiplatform, it usely is better on X360.

I know there is alot of blu-ray/PS3 fan around here but I just wanted to give a different side of view. It's not Microsoft's fault if your router is a piece of ....

[spyker3292]

*why Live is good*

wow, if you can think of so many reasons to day one console is great you are labeled as a FANBOY, have fun ;). Anyway... why hasn't the thread starter ever replied??? Did he just type this to start an obnoxious console war?

[spyker3292]

I know there is alot of blu-ray/PS3 fan around here but I just wanted to give a different side of view. It's not Microsoft's fault if your router is a piece of ....

That's why you buy an Airport Extreme, and then boost the signal with an Airport Express ;).

[Mackilroy]

wow, if you can think of so many reasons to day one console is great you are labeled as a FANBOY, have fun ;). Anyway... why hasn't the thread starter ever replied??? Did he just type this to start an obnoxious console war?

I might note that MRU is hardly a 'fanboy.' He's always been very partial to all of the systems, and he owns all of them, IIRC.

Try not to jump to accusations before you know the character. ;)

[MacRumorUser]

I might note that MRU is hardly a 'fanboy.' He's always been very partial to all of the systems, and he owns all of them, IIRC.

Try not to jump to accusations before you know the character. ;)

Exactly. Somebody asked a question and I answered accurately with factual differences of why Live is a better online system rather than just subjective opinion. :confused:

So now I'm a fanboy :rolleyes:

You can only say one word......




Bless. :)



(sorry stolen from 2ny)

I guess the fact I've mostly been playing on my DS, PS3 & Wii over xmas so far means nothing ;)

[MacNut]

After doing some research I have decided to get a 360, maybe go after a PS3 later in the year when the better titles come out. As for what my mom thinks, well she doesn't care either way. I know a lot more people with 360's and I am interested in xbox live.

MRU does give the best unbiased reviews here.

[MIDI_EVIL]

Because I can save my mother a few hundred bucks.:)


Well you don't mention that anywhere in the first post, and if this is the real reason you want to return it, then you shouldn't have to come here for the answer.

There are some pretty ungrateful people on this forum. It makes me cringe.

[MacRumorUser]

MRU does give the best biased reviews here.

I hope you meant 'unbiased' ;) but your more than welcome :)

[MacNut]

I hope you meant 'unbiased' ;) but your more than welcome :)Yes that too, its hard to think otherwise around these parts.:DThere are some pretty ungrateful people on this forum. It makes me cringe.And that is why I don't hang out in here often.;)

[MIDI_EVIL]

And that is why I don't hang out in here often.;)

...I didn't ask you not to hang out here, I just said you were ungrateful.

[2nyRiggz]

retracted.

[MacRumorUser]

I think you will find the Gaming section has a rather bad public image and it has at times lived up to that bad image.

MacNut decided to ask a question in this section, he does not need to justify asking a question or starting a thread. He is not responsible for the juvenile behavior of some of the posters in this section, pure and simple. Their actions and posts are their responsibility.

The fact that some posters saw an opportunity to start the usual 'nonsense' that has given this section a generally bad reputation is not the OP's fault.

We are all responsible for our own actions.

The fact that MacNut chooses not to post in this section that often will now seem to be fitting, given the responses he has received and the accusations thrown at him.

We need to make this section a warm and welcoming section, with mature discussion and less of this pathetic bickering that goes on. Then and only then will it be seen as a worthwhile section within the mac community forum.

[Zwhaler]

The Xbox 360 has a more powerful GPU, and the Cell doesn't outstrip the Xenon core by that much.

Eh, I think you are kind of right. Although the Cell does have more than twice the number of cores of the Xenon running at the same clock speed, the two systems are more or less the same when it comes to todays games. But I have a feeling that while the 360 is the best system now, it will run into some roadblocks in a few years in some areas like storage on the DVDs, and raw processing power for more advanced games that will come to light in the next couple of years.

[2nyRiggz]

snip

I really don't see a problem in this thread....we are here for a discussion and help...this is what the topic was created for.

The gaming section has been going well for the past months.....with a few threads that carry on for too long but I don't see a need to get into all of this.

What is really expected with a topic like this....we will disagree with our views but this is what we do here...we dicuss and try to help each other out and sometimes we get out of hand(Most all of us) with our post but it isn't that bad to draw attention to it.

I believe this section is doing very well for itself now and I don't want to be mean about it but I think we should lighten up a bit and stop taking these things too serious.


Bless

[MacRumorUser]

retracted.

I really don't see a problem in this thread....we are here for a discussion and help...this is what the topic was created for.

I guess my shaming post did it's job ;):p



But I know from experience from other sections what the general view of the gaming section is, hence that is why I don't want to see people attacking a poster, whether they are newbies or long term members.

You are right the forum has been doing better lately, and I want to see it stay like that for the betterment of all.

[2nyRiggz]

My post wasn't on a level to "spar" with the op...it was just his comment was amusing to me nothing to take in too heavy....well I retracted it before it was read wrong but your eyes are fast:p


We all get out of hand every now an again(I've seen you MRU:p) but it isn't anything serious like how it was several months ago....I think thats the past and we should move on and try to be productive.


Bless

[zero2dash]

Wouldn't that be great if things were all peachy keen?

Yeah, too bad there's too much anti anything but Nintendo by a raving majority here who always like to stick their noses in topics that have nothing to do with Nintendo whatsoever. You guys leave it to yourselves to try and figure out who; anyone who's been here longer than a week can figure that one out.

I'm with several of you...I just don't bother here anymore. Hopefully someday things will change, but I highly doubt it will happen anytime soon. :rolleyes: Oh well...sad, really. Such trivial things such as games mean so much to some people that they must debate!!!!!!!!!!!!~! take no prisoners! there's a war to be won!!!! :rolleyes: :cool:

[MacRumorUser]

We all get out of hand every now an again(I've seen you MRU:p)

LOL! who me? never... ;) http://www.gaire.com/e/smilies/psycho.gif


:)

[XNine]

I know there is alot of blu-ray/PS3 fan around here but I just wanted to give a different side of view. It's not Microsoft's fault if your router is a piece of ....

Actually it's a wide-spread problem, not that my router is a piece of ****. Not to mention I had it connected directly to the modem and it still wouldn't connect. Perhaps if you READ my post you'd have noticed that.

And just so you can be a little more informed the next time you decide to retort:
http://www.qj.net/Xbox-Live-having-connection-problems-Update-/pg/49/aid/110229

2ny: Yeah, good to see you too. This is my six-month drop by. See you in June! lol


MRU: This place would be so much more worth it if all of the losers who threw the term "fanboy" around so loosely were banned, then their addresses given to us so we could go beat their heads in with lead pipes. ;)

[spyker3292]

Exactly. Somebody asked a question and I answered accurately with factual differences of why Live is a better online system rather than just subjective opinion. :confused:


Ok... ok... Sorry :).

[Symtex]

Actually it's a wide-spread problem, not that my router is a piece of ****. Not to mention I had it connected directly to the modem and it still wouldn't connect. Perhaps if you READ my post you'd have noticed that.

And just so you can be a little more informed the next time you decide to retort:
http://www.qj.net/Xbox-Live-having-connection-problems-Update-/pg/49/aid/110229



Was working for me the whole time. I have been a member of Xbox live for 5 years and I can count on my hand the number of time it was down. Most of thoses time were announcement maintenance window.. I say that is a pretty darn good.

oh btw, I do have a PS3 and a Wii at home.

[e²Studios]

Was working for me the whole time. I have been a member of Xbox live for 5 years and I can count on my hand the number of time it was down. Most of thoses time were announcement maintenance window.. I say that is a pretty darn good.

oh btw, I do have a PS3 and a Wii at home.

Wow.. *twirls finger*

Heres a cookie for you since you are self righteous enough to deserve it.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb117/357_Sniper/CHOCOLATE_CHIP_COOKIE.jpg

[Mackilroy]

I've had no problems with my PS3, Wii, or Xbox 360 with my Airport Extreme router, but there are people who have problems, and those could be from any number of factors.

Oni: good to see you once in a while. :p

Z2D: you forgot about the hordes of Xbox 360 users as well. ;)

[Symtex]

Thanks for the cookie :-).