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MadDoc
Dec 27, 2007, 07:50 PM
Is SJ likely to announce a new ATV in MacWorld?

I haven't really been following the ATV rumours for months?

MadDoc,



zedsdead
Dec 27, 2007, 08:22 PM
Apple Tv is overdue for a software update and might get new hardware. I would definatly wait until macworld.

levitynyc
Dec 27, 2007, 09:07 PM
Hardware wise, I really don't see what Apple can do to make it better. Its basically a functional hard drive (basically what an iPod is) with Front Row on it. A kick ass software update can really make it worth owning.

Its entirely possible that the Apple tv will be a 1st generation product for quite a while without any major updates to the hardware.

A screen won't do ****, a memory upgrade to 200 GB is possible, forget about using it as a Tivo or something like that.

Some HD content on iTunes will make people rush out to buy it, not any hardware update.

I just bought a 160 GB model and I feel confident in my decision. If you get a good deal on one (which basically has best buy offering a BIG discount) then get it.

I really just wish it made navigating my photo's easier like an iPod and sync iPhoto events.

holtchristian
Dec 27, 2007, 09:31 PM
go ahead and buy it- unless you ure not satisfied with harddrive space, because POSSIBLY they will upgrade the hd. probably not, probably just a software update with itunes rental or whatever which everyone will be able to get. if ure dying to have it go get it, if not..why not wait to be safe?

JimmyDreams
Dec 27, 2007, 11:17 PM
I'm going to wait to see what MW brings. If there's an update, great. If not, then I'll buy then with fair confidence that it'll be money worth spent.

I'm already eyeing a firewire external HD to use for all my DVD's so they're in one place. :rolleyes:

Kashchei
Dec 27, 2007, 11:21 PM
Apple Tv is overdue for a software update and might get new hardware. I would definatly wait until macworld.

I agree, and I think the rumor about Apple's deal with Fox about movie rental will drive a new version of Apple tv. I'd wait if I were in the market--you might be pleasantly surprised on the 15th.

ibglowin
Dec 28, 2007, 08:00 AM
Hoping for a processor upgrade/bump and perhaps some HD content of sorts. If nothing I will pick up a refurbed. It really looks like rentals are on the way!

macleod199
Dec 28, 2007, 09:21 AM
Hoping for a processor upgrade/bump and perhaps some HD content of sorts. If nothing I will pick up a refurbed. It really looks like rentals are on the way!

Yeah, exactly. I bought a 40 GB refurb just before Christmas to tide me over, because the rumors were looking like a new one might not come out till late next year. But then again, maybe nothing will... and I wanted to start using it.

rfrankl
Dec 28, 2007, 09:25 AM
I've had the 40 gig pretty much since they came out. I like it alot...it does what I expected it to do.

Costco recently had them down to $90 after instant rebate so I bought the few they had left and sold them on eBay.

nick.hobbie
Dec 28, 2007, 09:44 AM
There were rumors that there would be accessories that would be able to use the usb port. Things like HD DVD Player, TV tuner, External Hard drive, etc. But this would only require a software update, nothing major. I can see apple doing it this way to increase ATV sales(They would not have to design a new ATV and that would save in R&D), get 3rd parties involved, and create a new source of revenue. Those were the rumors, I have not heard anything since then.

billabong
Dec 28, 2007, 03:38 PM
Seeing as Mac world isn't too far away now, I would hold out and see what happens. They could just be updated the software with the new rental store. Or they could release a new model, bigger HD, faster internal specs, maybe a bump to 1080p who really knows what to expect. I've had my 40GB :apple:TV since day one and love it. My whole family loves it, it's simple and easy, I use it everyday. So if you don't care about having the latest model then pick it up now. Or just wait a few weeks and see what MacWorld brings.

OdduWon
Dec 28, 2007, 03:43 PM
I agree, and I think the rumor about Apple's deal with Fox about movie rental will drive a new version of Apple tv. I'd wait if I were in the market--you might be pleasantly surprised on the 15th.
LOL, complete with spotlights and big block lettering.

MadDoc
Dec 30, 2007, 03:30 AM
Thanks for all your advice guys.

I've just shelled out for a terabyte of storage so I have to wait until Jan's payslip to get an ATV so I guess I'll wait for MW '08 - no harm done.

MadDoc,

Martin C
Dec 30, 2007, 05:58 AM
Go ahead, buy an ATV today...

http://www.legionglobal.net/images/150cc%20ATV.jpg

cicottrell
Dec 30, 2007, 11:43 AM
The way I see it, sales aren't brilliant so something needs to change, probably at Macworld. I'm personally waiting for Apple to include a Digital TV tuner (called Freeview here in the UK - using DVB-T). And a HD-DVD or Blu Ray player. Then I will buy one for every room in the house. What i don't want is a TV remote, DVD player remote, freeview/hard disc-recorder remote and an Apple TV remote. I want my Apple TV to be my TV, TV recorder, photo album, duke box and movie collection.

Software wise, A link to the (hopefully) new movie rental store is a MUST.

carts44
Jan 6, 2008, 08:03 PM
The killer application for me that I am hoping will come with the next revision of with :apple:TV is the ability to listen to internet radio. Anyone else listen to internet radio?

JohnnyGadgets
Jan 9, 2008, 12:32 AM
so apple tv should be able to as well I assume. I currently use a Roku Soundbridge which i love. I'm waiting till MacWorld next week before I buy an
apple tv. I currently use Netflix but want the convience of downloading via internet rentals and playing on my hdtv. I also want the picture viewing that atv provides. an appletv with a blue-ray disc drive would be killer too but not sure thats coming. this coming year we will see netflix with a set top box for playing downloaded movies on hdtv and likely to see some more from cable companies. this market will be coming on strong later in the year is my guess.

iBallz
Jan 9, 2008, 01:00 AM
Netflix blows. Anti-Apple

FF_productions
Jan 9, 2008, 11:09 AM
So do you guys think it is safe to go and buy an Apple TV at this point in the game??...of course i'd buy it off eBay, as you'd have to be a fool to pay $300 for it.

It's going to be tough holding back for the next week until MacWorld.

The reason I might just get it now is because I haven't heard one single rumor about the damn thing, so I figure why not, the Apple TV already serves my needs.

Come to think of it, if Apple comes out with one next week, it's going to cost me $300 (I assume) and I can't afford that.

My mind just went in a million directions....Screw it I'm buying Apple TV TODAY!

milo
Jan 9, 2008, 01:33 PM
I'd definitely wait. They could upgrade the hardware to support 1080p (who knows if the current iron can do it?), or drop the price. They'll likely ship a software upgrade for the current models, but less than a week away, I'd totally wait.

And if "netflix blows"...where else can I get so much video content so cheap and without having to even leave my house?

johny5
Jan 9, 2008, 01:52 PM
I agree, if they did update ATV then 1080p might be on the cards, and a dvd drive inside wouldnt go a miss.
you could import your dvd films to the hdd then :)

CWallace
Jan 9, 2008, 06:18 PM
So do you guys think it is safe to go and buy an Apple TV at this point in the game??...of course i'd buy it off eBay, as you'd have to be a fool to pay $300 for it.

My mind just went in a million directions....Screw it I'm buying Apple TV TODAY!

I'd wait for two reasons:


If Apple does update the :apple:TV with features you want, you'll likely regret not waiting.
If Apple does update the :apple:TV with features you could care less about, chances are the old units on eBay will get cheaper since folks who have :apple:TV units now will find something they want in the new model and will be auctioning off their old units to buy the new one, increasing supply.


Worst case, Apple does nothing, and you'll pay the same price on eBay for a unit after MacWorld as before.

iBallz
Jan 9, 2008, 11:59 PM
And if "netflix blows"...where else can I get so much video content so cheap and without having to even leave my house?

Their rental service is fantanubulous!

Their on-line movie download is a neat service, but wont work with anything but MS IE

jasonnorm
Jan 10, 2008, 10:13 AM
If Apple is going to rescue this product, they NEED to add the following at MW 08. Otherwise, it will be a dead product. (Keep in mind that I love my Apple TV and use it to view my movie library - all converted to MP4 file for ATV.).

1- True HD (1080p) resolution - Would require new hardware

2- iTunes Rentals (this looks like a slam dunk) BUT they need to improve quality and add HD content - Software only update

3- Now that the format war has been decided (and Apple has backed the winner since day 1) an integrated BluRay DVD player would make this a far more popular device and would further increase Apples market presence to non-apple consumers - Either new integrated hardware or "add-on" component (like the X-box 360 HD-DVD player - Bad choice Bill!)

4- True Surround Sound (7.1 Dolby Digital or THX-Certified) - Software should take care of this as hacks have already been able to produce 5.1

digmo
Jan 10, 2008, 10:30 AM
I love mine, wrote a review (see below) I can't see a hardware update but I really am hoping for a software update. Was it this time last year they announced the Apple TV ? I can remember the announcement, slight delay and then everything being over shadowed by the iPhone and Leopard.

I think Apple have had their hands full with the iphone etc - I am hoping they have found time for a second update that will boost the Apple TV :)

In the UK the content on iTunes is not great, I find that EyeTV is the best combo for Apple TV.

Review here : http://www.digmo.co.uk/hardware/apple-tv-review-love/

Dig
www.maccreative.net

imlucid
Jan 10, 2008, 11:01 AM
Was it this time last year they announced the Apple TV ? I can remember the announcement, slight delay and then everything being over shadowed by the iPhone and Leopard.

It was pre-announced at a special event in September (iTV codename), then shown at Mac World along side the iPhone with a February ship date.

Kevin

mrgreen4242
Jan 10, 2008, 03:43 PM
go ahead and buy it- unless you ure not satisfied with harddrive space, because POSSIBLY they will upgrade the hd. probably not, probably just a software update with itunes rental or whatever which everyone will be able to get. if ure dying to have it go get it, if not..why not wait to be safe?

Apple is going to HAVE to upgrade the hardware, or get more out of the old hardware through software updates. 720p24 @ 5mbps isn't going to cut it. 720p is acceptable, 5mbps is almost enough, but 24fps isn't acceptable for a lot of situations. A standard 30 fps the minimum, 60 would be much better.

The ATV also really needs to have a DVR option... just out of the box support for USB tuner and either an integrated h264 hadware encoder or support for a USB one. And a price drop.

If you could get a 160gb ATV that supports 720p60 @ ~7-9mbps for $250, a USB HD tuner (ATSC, NTSC, QAM compatible) for $100, and a hardware h264 encoder that did a decent job of realtime 720p60@7-9mbps they could be a big competitor for TiVo; I'd certainly replace my (SD) TiVo with one... Tivo HD is $299 + $13/month (supposedly current subscribers can get one for $199 by threatening to cancel). You'd start saving money after about a year, plus access to the iTMS rental store would be better than Amazon Unboxed, imo.