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arn
Apr 21, 2002, 04:38 PM
Jeremy Bonan, cc bcc and Traumich note that Mac OS X 10.1.5 is already making the rounds...

MacPlus (http://www.macplus.org/magplus/article.php?id_article=994) and TheMox (http://www.themox.net/comments.php?id=244&category=6) have brief articles... which simply quote the supplied readme:

Mac OS X Update 10.1.5 delivers enhancements which improve the reliability of Mac OS X applications, delivers improved networking, security, and expanded peripheral device support. Specific improvements include:

Peripheral Device Support:
-Expanded support for new Canon digital cameras
-Improved support for Nikon FireWire cameras
-Expanded support for SmartDisk, EZQuest, and LaCie disc recording devices
-Improved support for MO drives

Application Improvements:
-Increased stability of Mail and Sherlock
-Emails are properly retained when rebuilding the Draft mailbox
-Updated Carbon applications can use Quartz anti-aliasing technology for high quality text display

Networking and Security Improvements:
-Improves networking via AFP when accessing multi-level directories on Windows NT file servers
-Significant improvement to file searching on local and remote volumes
-Mail accounts go off-line to indicate that SSL encryption settings are not supported by the mail server

WebDAV Improvements:
-More efficient iDisk mounting and file navigation
-Added support for connecting to iDisk using default DNS settings of AirPort
-Support for mounting a WebDAV volume from a non-standard http port

Asian Language Improvements:
-Significant updates to the Korean Input Method, especially important when using AppleWorks
-Internet Connect and Airport applications updated with Chinese and Korean localized content

TyleRomeo
Apr 21, 2002, 04:54 PM
well this all sounds good but how about some Sony Mavica support. i guess i'll have to wait for 10.2 for that

Smasher
Apr 21, 2002, 04:57 PM
...suddenly Rugby 's "this is not the last update before 10.2" (see 10.1.4 thread, page 2) sounds a lot more credible.

Not something to get worked up about, but certainly good stuff. Likely this is the last fix to take care of all the bugs, while they finish up/test/whatever 10.2.

Billicus
Apr 21, 2002, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by Smasher
...suddenly Rugby 's "this is not the last update before 10.2" (see 10.1.4 thread, page 2) sounds a lot more credible.
10.2.

True.

Does this mean that 10.1.5 isn't far away, or is it in early development. Care to elaborate arn?

Mr. Anderson
Apr 21, 2002, 05:10 PM
It is rather strange that the release came so soon after 10.1.4. Do they have so many people working on different 'fixes' for all the bugs and support issues that they'll just keep flooding us with 10.1.x's? If they had waited and released it all together, how much of a difference would that have made?

arn
Apr 21, 2002, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
It is rather strange that the release came so soon after 10.1.4. Do they have so many people working on different 'fixes' for all the bugs and support issues that they'll just keep flooding us with 10.1.x's? If they had waited and released it all together, how much of a difference would that have made?

I'm certain that feature sets for (let's say) 10.1.4 is "frozen" at some point... where no _new_ features are to be added... simply stablizing and fixing the current features...

while they might continue on implementing new features in (let's say) 10.1.5.

Just conjecture...

arn

Ensign Paris
Apr 21, 2002, 05:23 PM
I really can't wait for Spring Loading folders and fast iDisks.

AA in Carbon apps will also be very welcome!

Ensign

Wry Cooter
Apr 21, 2002, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
It is rather strange that the release came so soon after 10.1.4. Do they have so many people working on different 'fixes' for all the bugs and support issues that they'll just keep flooding us with 10.1.x's? If they had waited and released it all together, how much of a difference would that have made?

We are the beta test team.

I think I'm going to wait until a complete installer on CD is available.

I haven't seen any new or real bugs reported with 10.1.4 yet, just the usual, "Hey it overwrote my iApp folder, because I moved it from where the installer expected it" report, or the "Its still doing what it did last time" report. That is, it doesn't seem to be a build to quickly correct a wrong turn in 10.1.4 (and it may not be released that soon either, just becaue someone leaked their advance knowledge doesn't mean it will be in the Software Update panel tomorrow)

cleo
Apr 21, 2002, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by arn

Application Improvements:

-Updated Carbon applications can use Quartz anti-aliasing technology for high quality text display


"Updated" Carbon... so does that mean we'll have to wait for patches from the individual software authors? Or will this automatically mean AA in IE, etc?

theranch
Apr 21, 2002, 06:19 PM
I got nothin... pardon the english but when I ran software update nothing happened. I'm up to date with 10.1.4 on all 3 of my machines. When I ran the updater it said that I was up to date...? I guess I'll try tomorrow.

arn
Apr 21, 2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by theranch
I got nothin... pardon the english but when I ran software update nothing happened. I'm up to date with 10.1.4 on all 3 of my machines. When I ran the updater it said that I was up to date...? I guess I'll try tomorrow.

I'm sorry if I implied it was out...10.1.5 is only available in beta/underground circles

arn

theranch
Apr 21, 2002, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by arn


I'm sorry if I implied it was out...10.1.5 is only available in beta/underground circles

arn

Ahh.... that explains it.

Rocketman
Apr 21, 2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by arn


I'm certain that feature sets for (let's say) 10.1.4 is "frozen" at some point... where no _new_ features are to be added... simply stablizing and fixing the current features...

while they might continue on implementing new features in (let's say) 10.1.5.

Just conjecture...

arn

What OSX needs is support for PC ports so peecee users can upgrade without throwing away their peripherals and devices. Maybe a PCI card with parallel, ps2 and serial port on it. Under $100 andsome sort of provision for an extension that sends the proper commands to the port based on what DOS/Win might do.

Jerry

sergeantmudd
Apr 21, 2002, 08:47 PM
No way that Carbon anti-aliasing will make it into 10.1.x release. Something that complicated changes alot of underlying code, which will probably break support for a good deal of Carbon applications, and Apple is not going to piss developers off by not waiting for a 10.x release. Besides, something this big would make a good presentation at a keynote.

mac15
Apr 21, 2002, 09:21 PM
I went searching for it and its there
but I don't want to install it
It could be a dud and its nothin got mess with

Choppaface
Apr 21, 2002, 10:33 PM
ya spring loaded folders would be cool, but I want command-drap window scrolling (like in IE)

I use that a *LOT* in OS 9

Buggy
Apr 21, 2002, 11:30 PM
This is really good news!!

If they are going to fix the NT server issues before 10.2 then this means that large segments will not have to purchase 10.2 just to get what they were promissed in 10.0

Thus side stepping many potential class action lawsuits.

I am looking forward to 10.1.5 since 10.1.4 only fixed some of the issues on NT with 3com hubs.

Newborn77
Apr 21, 2002, 11:44 PM
"Increased stability of Mail and Sherlock"

At last! Sherlock really needs to be fixed. The thing crashes every time after loading 3 or 4 ads. That's the only thing that keeps me from using it as my main search engine. After all... it is a VERY useful utility (sans the bugs).

SubFredZero
Apr 22, 2002, 12:24 AM
I've got the 10.1.5 beta and it works great... it's realy great that mail doesn't crash all the time.

Originally posted by sergeantmudd
No way that Carbon anti-aliasing will make it into 10.1.x release. Something that complicated changes alot of underlying code, which will probably break support for a good deal of Carbon applications, and Apple is not going to piss developers off by not waiting for a 10.x release. Besides, something this big would make a good presentation at a keynote.

It's an update of the AA in carbon apps. I think they'll finish it in 10.2...

Wry Cooter
Apr 22, 2002, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by Newborn77
"Increased stability of Mail and Sherlock"

At last! Sherlock really needs to be fixed. The thing crashes every time after loading 3 or 4 ads. That's the only thing that keeps me from using it as my main search engine. After all... it is a VERY useful utility (sans the bugs).

Try Watson if you haven't yet, if you find sherlock still useful for the web.

I want Sherlocks functionality as a local file search engine returned.. I always searched by file type and creator in the custom field by dragging and dropping the file on the options dialog. I saw a third party OS X app providing exactly this function earlier today, so it is possible for that to work in Sherlock again, despite the differences in how OS X might see or noit see resource fork file info.

Xapplimatic
Apr 22, 2002, 02:39 AM
Two reactions about Quartz AA in Carbon apps:
1. Cool! It's about time...
2. Oh no! The worlds slowest build of IE just got that much slower! ;)

I am also surprised that they don't include the updated ATI drivers in with the OS updates. Not everyone checks Versiontracker daily, and it would go a ways to quell the "gui is slow" whining to have all the capable ATI chips out there with their 2d acceleration enabled again. If they update printer drivers through software update, they should update the video drivers too through the same mechanism either inside the OS update or separate release.

The pattern has been a 10.1.x update every two months, but I wouldn't be surprised if 10.1.5 comes in within just a month from now because 10.1.4 really didn't have much in it, and they probably don't want to release 10.1.5 too close to 10.2.. which most think ships in June at MacWorld..

j763
Apr 22, 2002, 03:22 AM
On the subject of AA Text...

I remember the head of the MacBU at M$ saying that they're working 'Closely with apple on making AA text available in the entire Office Suite' on YML (http://yourmaclife.com) the other day... I assume that he was including IE in that... although we all know that IE is a completely inseperable part of Windows :D. Speaking of which, does anyone know when Bill testifies?

AmbitiousLemon
Apr 22, 2002, 05:01 AM
hm... ok so 10.1.5 might come out soon, thats the best guess, but here are a couple other guesses:

1) the 10.1.5 build floating around is actually a branch of 10.2 not a real 10.1.5

2) 10.2 is a long way off and the 10.1.5 will come out in a few months in order to keep us satisfied until 10.2 comes out.

well like i said these are just alternative hypotheses, i still think the 10.1.5 soon hypothesis is most likely, but these other ideas are something to give consideration to.

crassusad44
Apr 22, 2002, 05:23 AM
I think we'll see 10.1.5 soon. If someone has a beta, and "it's working great", it should not be far away. Early system betas from Apple tent to not work great (like one of the early 10.2 betas I tried).

10.2 should be released this summer. Steve is not going to showcase a 10.1.x build at WWDC, and he's not going to showcase something that's six months or more away. Seybold at latest for 10.2, most likely MWNY this July!

My 2

StealthRider
Apr 22, 2002, 06:59 AM
so far with OS X, we've only had up to x.1.4......i think we'll stick with it...

jayscheuerle
Apr 22, 2002, 07:50 AM
These are just mini updates for basic functionality. There's no way Steve's going to allow any "wow" to escape before MWNY. He wants to hit the stage there like Moses coming down from the mountain with a list of everything Apple has listened to and improved upon.

10.2 is going to be big. Apple knows it has to be.:rolleyes:

Mr. Anderson
Apr 22, 2002, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by jayscheuerle There's no way Steve's going to allow any "wow" to escape before MWNY.[/B]

The preview at WWDC should be loaded with 'wow'. And I agree that we're only going to see support and bug fixes till then.

gopher
Apr 22, 2002, 08:46 AM
provide feedback here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback

eric_n_dfw
Apr 22, 2002, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Rocketman


What OSX needs is support for PC ports so peecee users can upgrade without throwing away their peripherals and devices. Maybe a PCI card with parallel, ps2 and serial port on it. Under $100 andsome sort of provision for an extension that sends the proper commands to the port based on what DOS/Win might do.

Jerry
How about USB to Serial/Parallel/PS2 ?
A Keyspan USB->RS232 9-PIN is available (this is what I used for my Palm IIIx cradle) - there's even a high speed model. PDA version is $39, high speed is $59.

There's a few PS2 to USB adapters for about $50 (www.kinesis-ergo.com is one of them) However - most mice/keyboards now are available in USB for less than the adapter.

There's a ton of USB to parallel printer adapters for as little as $20 now-a-days too.

There's also USB to ADB adapters FWIW -- I'll be looking into one of those when I upgrade from my Blue & White to an ADB-less machine so I can keep my Apple Extended Keyboard II (I really wish they still made those!)

TechLarry
Apr 22, 2002, 10:20 AM
I'll take an update-let a day if they want to fix things that quick :)

Just so long as there is a roll-up every now and then...

TL

TechLarry
Apr 22, 2002, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Rocketman


What OSX needs is support for PC ports so peecee users can upgrade without throwing away their peripherals and devices. Maybe a PCI card with parallel, ps2 and serial port on it. Under $100 andsome sort of provision for an extension that sends the proper commands to the port based on what DOS/Win might do.

Jerry

With the PC's move to Legacy-Free, I doubt this is garnering much attention about now :)

TL

Wry Cooter
Apr 22, 2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by j763
On the subject of AA Text...

Speaking of which, does anyone know when Bill testifies?

If only it was the sort of trial where contempt of court or perjury might apply....

Hemingray
Apr 22, 2002, 01:55 PM
Am I the only one that doubts the authenticity of this update?

This is an Apple-like description:
"Increased Stability of Mail and Sherlock"

This is NOT:
"Emails are properly retained when rebuilding the Draft mailbox"

It's too specific. I doubt this is the frozen 10.1.5, just a version still in development, because a final ReadMe would not sound like that. At least not from the Apple I know... remember, these are the guys that we had to heckle just to find out what was new!

Wry Cooter
Apr 22, 2002, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray
Am I the only one that doubts the authenticity of this update?

This is an Apple-like description:
"Increased Stability of Mail and Sherlock"

This is NOT:
"Emails are properly retained when rebuilding the Draft mailbox"

It's too specific. I doubt this is the frozen 10.1.5, just a version still in development, because a final ReadMe would not sound like that. At least not from the Apple I know... remember, these are the guys that we had to heckle just to find out what was new!

I wasn't under the impression that Apple had anything to do with writing the descriptionat all - after all it isn't officially released yet, so there wouldn't be a final ReadMe. I thought it was a report from someone with a seed of the next update. Even if the description was Apple's, the extra detail makes more sense for a beta seeded to developers.

The bit that makes it less likely to be real, in my eyes, is the 10.1.5 description popping up -so- soon after the 10.1.4 release, before the general public even started back with bug reports.

AmbitiousLemon
Apr 22, 2002, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by gopher
provide feedback here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback

i too encourage people to use apple feedback, but having used it extensively since the dp days of osx and have found that lately apple doesnt care what you have to say.

this is why i started my list (http://www.ambitiouslemon.com/opinion/Comments/macosx) i felt apple wasnt listening to me or others so i attempted to provide a forum for people to collect and present a united front and a cohesive image of what osx should be. the list has been circulated through apple cupertino through a couple unofficical channels but has still gotten little (if any) attention, but ive got peopel working on finding better apple contacts. i just find it a shame that apple has chosen to ignore its customers lately. i try lots of shareware, freeware, and payware out and if a developer is not responsive i quickly trash the app, cant do that with apple, so all i can do is try to get em to listen somehow.

av11d
Apr 22, 2002, 08:13 PM
anyone who's downloaded it: does it work or is it a fruad? is it even worth downloading this "pre-release" ?

PumaCode
Apr 23, 2002, 09:14 AM
10.1.5 is very real at the moment.

Really don't have a clue why but just wait and see.

PumaCode

gopher
Apr 23, 2002, 10:06 AM
Not showing up here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx

You never know, 10.1.5 could be the beta that will be shown at the WWDC, and then 10.2 come out in July. It wouldn't be the first time this happened.

PumaCode
Apr 23, 2002, 10:21 AM
I thought it would be clear that I meant 10.1.5 is very real inside Apple at the moment, not on Software Update.

sobelizzard
Apr 23, 2002, 04:23 PM
10.1.5 is very real.... 5S37... It appears to be far from release, as there are a few bugs that are still in it. For example, the energy saver control panel quits unexpectedly whenever you try to access it... also, the screen seems to 'tint' rather than sleeping... very strange.

i am NOT implying that it is available from software update... it is an internal build. if you don't know where to get it from, then you probably shouldn't touch it ...

Buggy
Apr 24, 2002, 05:52 PM
The NT networking problem (AFP crashing) appears to be fixed in 10.1.5

YIPEEEEEE!!!!!

Now I can start to move to OSX. Only my home computer could be OSX my work computers have been waiting a year for this!!!!!!!

Pathetically long time to fix it!

But at least it is fixed.

hackamacj
May 22, 2002, 08:44 PM
I am still waiting for an answer from Apple as to whether they are going to align their schedules up with the evil giant *cough Microsoft cough*, which I hope not. I am also just waiting for something that makes my computer a little faster, or maybe that would require giving more money to them *G4 POWERBOOK*. All I want is a nice computer that has a good Operating System, so I don't have to hurt my head any more, like I do at the school. I wish I could only have one of those dual systems running the Quartz Extreme, with 10.2, hopefully, until then, I am just Glad I am running a mac.

mvaneerde
May 23, 2002, 06:33 PM
I'm a network administrator at a 60-person company w/ a few Macs. I would loooove to upgrade all the OS 9.2.2 Macs to OS X, but we have an NT file server! I have been waiting for the OS X connection to an NT SFM share to work for over a year. It makes me sad to be teased this way with 10.1.5 being so close. :(

Dirk Stoop
May 26, 2002, 06:04 AM
edit

pwfletcher
May 26, 2002, 11:14 PM
I have been using 10.1.5 build 5S45 for more than a week without any issues. However, build 5S55 is the latest release. I haven't noticed any differences from 10.1.4 so I presume that all of the upgrades are to components that I just don't use.

TiPB G4 800

Rower_CPU
May 27, 2002, 12:26 AM
That's odd...I could swear that the build number on the iBooks I looked at yesterday at the local Apple Store were 5S55...

[edit: yes it is...I need to read more carefully...:rolleyes: ]