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billabong
Dec 31, 2007, 04:03 PM
http://www.cinematical.com/2007/12/31/monday-morning-poll-downloading-2008/

With the internet buzzing about the upcoming iTunes rental, where do you guys stand? Are you going to rent? Yes or No? Check out this article and lets rock the chart for HELL YES!



flyinmac
Dec 31, 2007, 07:30 PM
No way.

I won't pay to rent something that I also have to pay to download (bandwidth fees). Even further, I will not pay to rent or buy something that is provided at such a low resolution. And, I definitely will not watch something like that on a 2-inch screen (and I will not suffer through watching video at that low resolution blown-up with an Apple TV to my television or on my computer screen).

I'll gladly pay to get actual DVD quality movies and even tolerate the bandwidth use / fees. But, there is a catch, it must be at least half the price of the comparable DVD at the local store. If I have to lose some of my bandwidth allowance or pay fees for overages, then I am definitely not paying anywhere near store price.

After-all, I can go to the store, and buy DVD's at full quality for regular price (or a nice discount at many stores) and not have to burn them to disk myself, copy them to a given device, or any other messing around. And, I don't have to use up my download allowance or pay extra fees. I get full quality, great T.V. resolution, and no hassle.

Now, if someone just really didn't want to leave the house, there's always Netflix that will rent them to you (many, many per month) at a flat fee and deliver them to your door. That's even cheaper. You can rent a lot of movies per month that way and it's cheaper than paying for just small number of rentals.

And, again, with Netflix, I get higher quality, larger screen, no hassles, no download fees, and I don't have to leave home.

RaceTripper
Dec 31, 2007, 08:51 PM
I will rent streaming high definition video for a buck or two. Anything lower res or more expensive is a deal killer.

flyinmac
Dec 31, 2007, 08:56 PM
I will rent streaming high definition video for a buck or two. Anything lower res or more expensive is a deal killer.

I'd do maybe 50 cents or so for what you propose. A dollar or two is too much considering that I still have to download it and pay download fees.

RaceTripper
Dec 31, 2007, 09:05 PM
I'd do maybe 50 cents or so for what you propose. A dollar or two is too much considering that I still have to download it and pay download fees.I'm trying to be realistic about it. You'll never see 50 cent HD rentals. I pay the same for my broadband access whether I download anything or not, so that's not an issue for me.

sushi
Dec 31, 2007, 09:09 PM
With the internet buzzing about the upcoming iTunes rental, where do you guys stand? Are you going to rent? Yes or No?
I think rentals would be very nice.

The key will be the price and time allowed.

A dollar or two is too much considering that I still have to download it and pay download fees.
Download fees? How are you connecting to the Internet? Dialup?

flyinmac
Jan 1, 2008, 01:44 AM
I think rentals would be very nice.

The key will be the price and time allowed.


Download fees? How are you connecting to the Internet? Dialup?

I'm using DSL. But, I only get a small download allowance (unless I want to spend $90 a month or more (or I could get an even smaller allowance for double the price with Cable).

So, once I exceed the allowance, I have to pay by the megabyte.

Just browsing the Internet and e-mailing usually uses half my bandwidth allowance for the month. On the rare occasion that I've watched anything streaming or downloaded anything of size, I've used my allowance.

The only unlimited allowance I can get is through dial-up (which I do have available), but I'm not even going to wait for a video to come through dial-up.

alywa
Jan 1, 2008, 06:57 AM
I'm using DSL. But, I only get a small download allowance (unless I want to spend $90 a month or more (or I could get an even smaller allowance for double the price with Cable).

So, once I exceed the allowance, I have to pay by the megabyte.



I think you are in the minority. I don't know anyone who has a limited data plan with broadband. Are you in the US?

Anyway, I'm all for a movie rental service, but I need to be able to put it on my iPhone, use on Apple-TV, etc. It also will have to be for at least a week (for traveling, etc) for it to get much use by me.

sushi
Jan 1, 2008, 08:18 AM
I'm using DSL. But, I only get a small download allowance (unless I want to spend $90 a month or more (or I could get an even smaller allowance for double the price with Cable).

So, once I exceed the allowance, I have to pay by the megabyte.
Roger. Sux.

Seems like you are in the minority when it comes to DL limits.

Jasonbot
Jan 1, 2008, 08:31 AM
I think you are in the minority. I don't know anyone who has a limited data plan with broadband. Are you in the US?

Anyway, I'm all for a movie rental service, but I need to be able to put it on my iPhone, use on Apple-TV, etc. It also will have to be for at least a week (for traveling, etc) for it to get much use by me.

Minority!? My whole country uses limited data plans seeing as Unlimited plans cost over the equivalent of $220 without line rental costs! But then again that just Us third world South Africans...

You guys really take your internet for granted!

zap2
Jan 1, 2008, 12:25 PM
Minority!? My whole country uses limited data plans seeing as Unlimited plans cost over the equivalent of $220 without line rental costs! But then again that just Us third world South Africans...

You guys really take your internet for granted!

Well, the rental thing is likely going to be US only, so the data plans of South Africans don't really have much impact on anyone thinking about renting from iTunes.

Jasonbot
Jan 1, 2008, 01:15 PM
Well, the rental thing is likely going to be US only, so the data plans of South Africans don't really have much impact on anyone thinking about renting from iTunes.

Good point, we don't even have iTMS :'(

flyinmac
Jan 1, 2008, 02:09 PM
Minority!? My whole country uses limited data plans seeing as Unlimited plans cost over the equivalent of $220 without line rental costs! But then again that just Us third world South Africans...

You guys really take your internet for granted!

You're not alone.

To answer those above: Yes, I am in the United States. The absolute only unlimited download plan I can get is either Dial-up or the plans that are $150 to $300 a month for cable or DSL.

All the plans under $150 are limited. But, in my state we only have one statewide provider (cable) and one local area provider (DSL). The statewide provider (cable) purchased every single competitor in every single city around the state. The DSL is provided by my phone company. Both are expensive. We already pay $40 or so a month for what we have. It would cost me another $100 to step up to a plan without limits (everything between that range just increases speed).

RaceTripper
Jan 1, 2008, 02:17 PM
What state are you in, 'cause I'm not moving there.

flyinmac
Jan 1, 2008, 02:24 PM
What state are you in, 'cause I'm not moving there.

Alaska (where we could really use good Internet)

But, even relatives I have in other states (such as Washington) have limited plans on their broadband as well. Even worse, they have pushed advertisements from their ISP (ComCast) that are constantly pushed to their desktop as long as they have a browser window open.

The advertisements come up as pop-under windows. When you're done with your browsing, you have to close around 20 or 40 extra windows. We looked at it the last time we visited, and it's an ISP thing.

So, I guess I don't have it as bad as them.

Unlike my ISP which just charges me extra, ComCast will actually turn off your service and boot you from their customer list if you actually use their service too much.

peeaanuut
Jan 1, 2008, 03:11 PM
I would download rentals to the AppleTV for my mother in law. i wouldnt put them on the iPod or iPhone but my mother in law is home all day and likes to watch movies. If she could rent for say a buck a DVD quality movie for 24-48 hours (from time of first watching) that would be good for me. She doesnt really notice much different between HD and SD so that isnt that big of a deal but 480P DVD quality would be good enough.

Also if she had the option to purchase said rented movie directly from the AppleTV for a discount (at least the price of the rental but a few extra bucks would be nice) and than sync back to her mac that would be a very nice feature. She has found the AppleTV to be a great addition to her entertainment set-up and it is very easy for her to navigate.

At a dollar a rental that would be less than the cost of going to the rental place and more flexibility than netflix. She also found netflix to be a bit hard to use but she is not very computer savvy so this would be the solution.

CWallace
Jan 1, 2008, 05:46 PM
But, even relatives I have in other states (such as Washington) have limited plans on their broadband as well. Even worse, they have pushed advertisements from their ISP (ComCast) that are constantly pushed to their desktop as long as they have a browser window open.

The advertisements come up as pop-under windows. When you're done with your browsing, you have to close around 20 or 40 extra windows. We looked at it the last time we visited, and it's an ISP thing.

So, I guess I don't have it as bad as them.

Unlike my ISP which just charges me extra, ComCast will actually turn off your service and boot you from their customer list if you actually use their service too much.

I am in Washington and have used Comcast since it's been available (and AT&T before Comcast bought them). I have unlimited data throughput for $45 a month and believe me, I shovel gigs across it every month and Comcast has never shut me down.

I also do not get any advertisements, but then I run Firefox with AdBlock Plus. I expect all those pop-unders are from the sites they surf and not Comcast since I used to run IE with no ad or popup blockers on Comcast for some time and never saw a plethora of such things unless they were generated by the sites I was visiting.

So whatever Comcast service they have, it's something different then what I (and a not insignificant number of family and friends) are using.

flyinmac
Jan 1, 2008, 05:54 PM
I am in Washington and have used Comcast since it's been available (and AT&T before Comcast bought them). I have unlimited data throughput for $45 a month and believe me, I shovel gigs across it every month and Comcast has never shut me down.

I also do not get any advertisements, but then I run Firefox with AdBlock Plus. I expect all those pop-unders are from the sites they surf and not Comcast since I used to run IE with no ad or popup blockers on Comcast for some time and never saw a plethora of such things unless they were generated by the sites I was visiting.

So whatever Comcast service they have, it's something different then what I (and a not insignificant number of family and friends) are using.

That's strange.

They are a couple in their 80's. So, I know it's not that they go to any weird sites. He just uses it for news sites like CNN.

But, they use Internet Explorer.

We did try using an add-blocker, but then the service wouldn't allow them access. It was like the ads were a required part of the service. Maybe they are on a different plan or something (they do have ComCast Cable T.V., so maybe it's a bonus plan or something).

docprego
Jan 2, 2008, 02:12 AM
I love the rental model. I NEVER buy DVDs and have also never purchased a movie online for download. I am however a voracious renter, currently using Blockbuster Online for my rentals. If iTunes rentals were at least DVD quality I would completely move my rental business over to iTunes. I addition I am hoping for a new AppleTV to facilitate renting and playing back the movies on my home theater projector. At the very least a software update will be available for all Apple TV's to accommodate the rentals.

Lastly I am hoping that the rentals have a provision for syncing them on to my iPhone. If iPod/iPhone syncing is left out that would be a major blunder and I am 100% sure that it will be part of the rental picture. After all the iPod is Apple's golden ticket in the music business and it should do the same for video rentals. I actually think the iPod is the reason for the success of the ITMS while other contenders have come and gone. The same will be true of video purchase and rentals with one casualty this week already; Walmart.

milo
Jan 2, 2008, 09:46 AM
So now this thread has turned into how much internet access sucks in Alaska. I don't think that will be a big factor in what Apple decides to roll out.

I'd love to see a rental plan, assuming the bang for the buck is good.

I'm actually OK with lower quality files if they're cheap enough. I wouldn't mind a tiered system, dirt cheap rental for 480 quality and more for HD.

My first choice would be a subscription model that could compete with netflix, although it would probably take years for them to build up a comparable catalog. All you can eat (including TV) for a monthly fee would be killer, I'd probably stop watching 95% of broadcast TV.

JonHimself
Jan 2, 2008, 03:46 PM
I'm in favour of the idea of rentals, but again as has been said, it depends on the specifics. ~5$ for an HD rental for 3-5 days seems perfectly reasonable to me. Even at 1-2 days it still makes sense. All they really have to do is make it enough of a better deal to prevent me from going to a Blockbuster. I don't even have an HD dvd player so by even offering HD movies they're providing an advantage. 2-5$ for standard (or even very close) DVD specs for a week also works fine for me.
Then again, seeing as how Canada just got TV episodes and doesn't even have movie purchases, I doubt it will even affect me.

MikieMikie
Jan 4, 2008, 05:40 AM
I love the rental model. I NEVER buy DVDs and have also never purchased a movie online for download. I am however a voracious renter, currently using Blockbuster Online for my rentals.

I wish I had something nice to say about Blockbuster rental policies. And I mean policies. Since I signed up, they have changed their pricing structure twice, both times to my disadvantage, and have limited the number of brick-and-mortar stores in the area which will accept in-store exchanges.

Nonetheless, as a rent-only ITMS, hooked into the AppleTV, I would consider renting if the cost was not higher than what I currently pay. When Blockbuster delivers a DVD to my door, there is no time limit or play limit to my viewing, so Apple's going to have to go some to match the competition.

docprego
Jan 4, 2008, 06:11 PM
I wish I had something nice to say about Blockbuster rental policies. And I mean policies. Since I signed up, they have changed their pricing structure twice, both times to my disadvantage, and have limited the number of brick-and-mortar stores in the area which will accept in-store exchanges.

Nonetheless, as a rent-only ITMS, hooked into the AppleTV, I would consider renting if the cost was not higher than what I currently pay. When Blockbuster delivers a DVD to my door, there is no time limit or play limit to my viewing, so Apple's going to have to go some to match the competition.

I agree completely with your discontent for Blockbuster's policies. They changed my plan pricing 3 times in 3 years. Once after saying that I would not be subject to such changes, well they did it anyway.

If Apple's ITMS is at least DVD quality I would completely abandon Blockbuster and buy an AppleTV. "Wouldn't it be great" (Steve always says this) if I could rent and watch a movie on my Mac, watch it instantly on my projector using AppleTV, and perhaps even sync it to my iPhone? All for $2-$5! Yes it would be great.

RaceTripper
Jan 4, 2008, 06:22 PM
I agree completely with your discontent for Blockbuster's policies. They changed my plan pricing 3 times in 3 years. Once after saying that I would not be subject to such changes, well they did it anyway.BB has historically been overly arrogant. That's why they are nearly bankrupt. I stopped doing business with them over 15 years ago.

theBB
Jan 4, 2008, 07:05 PM
I switched to Blockbuster after years of Netflix, where quite a few movies in my queue stayed in wait list for two or three months. At least with Blockbuster, I can walk into the store and get that popular movie. However, it pains me to use Blockbuster's website, which is an eyesore. They increased my monthly price as well and they notified me about it by burying it into the third paragraph of an email that starts out by advertising a few recent releases. I don't know how long I can stand it before going back to Netflix.

pjarvi
Jan 4, 2008, 07:14 PM
I already rent movies with the Xbox 360, so renting through iTunes is a no-brainer for me. The only issue Apple and the movie studios need to address is quantity and quality. There are way too few movies available on iTunes, and most of what's there is mediocre at best. Also, what about Unrated versions of movies? Microsoft offers them, but will Apple?

Dont Hurt Me
Jan 4, 2008, 07:26 PM
Its interesting to say the least and I vote yes because I like to rent movies even though we own them too. Consumer is King.

je1ani
Jan 5, 2008, 01:06 AM
I use netflix and I love it. Although I wish they included the bonus discs when they send them

Apollo33
Jan 5, 2008, 02:29 AM
I can easily go to the nearest grocery store and rent pretty much any recent DVD for just $1 per day. That's the entire DVD with bonus features, commentary, and everything. What will you get with Apple's service? Crappy quality that still (somehow) manages to take up 1GB (if the TV show downloads are any indication). I'm still amazed by how crappy Apple's quality is, compared to how much space it takes up.

You'll spend most of your rental time likely downloading the thing (granted, your "rental" will probably begin when you first play the movie or transfer it to an iPod.) I'm not really interested in paying money to download some crazy DRMed rental file that will only play via iTunes or an iPod, especially when I could just as cheaply (if not cheaper, as I've heard some rumblings that Apple may charge $2 for 1 day rentals) get a DVD that will play on my PC or in my DVD player. (or even any portable DVD player, if I had one)

flyinmac
Jan 5, 2008, 02:57 PM
I can easily go to the nearest grocery store and rent pretty much any recent DVD for just $1 per day. That's the entire DVD with bonus features, commentary, and everything. What will you get with Apple's service? Crappy quality that still (somehow) manages to take up 1GB (if the TV show downloads are any indication). I'm still amazed by how crappy Apple's quality is, compared to how much space it takes up.

You'll spend most of your rental time likely downloading the thing (granted, your "rental" will probably begin when you first play the movie or transfer it to an iPod.) I'm not really interested in paying money to download some crazy DRMed rental file that will only play via iTunes or an iPod, especially when I could just as cheaply (if not cheaper, as I've heard some rumblings that Apple may charge $2 for 1 day rentals) get a DVD that will play on my PC or in my DVD player. (or even any portable DVD player, if I had one)

Exactly ;)

Yvan256
Jan 6, 2008, 02:21 PM
I think you are in the minority. I don't know anyone who has a limited data plan with broadband. Are you in the US?

Anyway, I'm all for a movie rental service, but I need to be able to put it on my iPhone, use on Apple-TV, etc. It also will have to be for at least a week (for traveling, etc) for it to get much use by me.

I also have monthly limits for my DSL connection. A combined download+upload of 35GB per month. After that it's 10$ per extra GB. Yes you read that right.

And I have no other ISP available in my area, either.

Willis
Jan 6, 2008, 02:48 PM
I feel this has gone a bit off topic with talk about broadband prices.. (speaking of which, I pay 25/month for 8MB ADSL (actual ~6MB) with unlimited DL's. So you americans are getting ripped off!!)

In terms of Movie rentals... I dont know... It'd be nice to download you film, but as mentioned, it will depend on the quality. And then to get full use out of it, you will need :apple:TV...

cost effective??

flyinmac
Jan 6, 2008, 02:49 PM
I also have monthly limits for my DSL connection. A combined download+upload of 35GB per month. After that it's 10$ per extra GB. Yes you read that right.

And I have no other ISP available in my area, either.

Wow, you get 35 GB. I only get 10 GB per month. After I transfer 10 GB, then I have to pay $15 per Gigabyte.

Your plan sounds much better (by comparison). Transfer limits suck.

As long as there are limits in monthly transfers / downloads, the Internet will fail to take off as the primary means of obtaining movies.

flyinmac
Jan 6, 2008, 03:11 PM
I feel this has gone a bit off topic with talk about broadband prices.. (speaking of which, I pay 25/month for 8MB ADSL (actual ~6MB) with unlimited DL's. So you americans are getting ripped off!!)

In terms of Movie rentals... I dont know... It'd be nice to download you film, but as mentioned, it will depend on the quality. And then to get full use out of it, you will need :apple:TV...

cost effective??

With the conversion rates (to U.S. Dollars), what you are paying (for your 8MB ADSL) comes out to approximately what I am paying for my 256K (yes that's K) ADSL connection with a 10 GB transfer limit.

The best I can upgrade to with ADSL is 768K and to get unlimited downloads (only available with the 768K package), I would have to spend $140 U.S. Dollars a month (approximately 71/month).

I disagree with your assessment of transfer limits being off-topic. The reason they are important in terms of this discussion, is because transfer limits effectively make the concept of video downloads completely unattractive and unaffordable.

Transfer limits effectively make downloading the movies much more expensive than using a home delivery service or buying / renting them at the local store (just a few blocks away).

If I can walk to the local store in a few minutes, and buy or rent a high-quality DVD version of the movie, then why would I pay the same price for a lower quality version when I have to download it and then pay the additional fees incurred by my ISP for the download volume.

The total cost and quality comparison is a valid discussion when discussing whether or not online rentals and purchases are practical or worthwhile.

Willis
Jan 6, 2008, 04:25 PM
With the conversion rates (to U.S. Dollars), what you are paying (for your 8MB ADSL) comes out to approximately what I am paying for my 256K (yes that's K) ADSL connection with a 10 GB transfer limit.

The best I can upgrade to with ADSL is 768K and to get unlimited downloads (only available with the 768K package), I would have to spend $140 U.S. Dollars a month (approximately 71/month).

I disagree with your assessment of transfer limits being off-topic. The reason they are important in terms of this discussion, is because transfer limits effectively make the concept of video downloads completely unattractive and unaffordable.

Transfer limits effectively make downloading the movies much more expensive than using a home delivery service or buying / renting them at the local store (just a few blocks away).

If I can walk to the local store in a few minutes, and buy or rent a high-quality DVD version of the movie, then why would I pay the same price for a lower quality version when I have to download it and then pay the additional fees incurred by my ISP for the download volume.

The total cost and quality comparison is a valid discussion when discussing whether or not online rentals and purchases are practical or worthwhile.

My point was about standard pricing. It seems you americans also get swindled with fees too. We have download limits too, but if you exceed them, I think your internet speed is throttled down, or you're charged per/MB. Not too sure. Because im a heavy online user, we've always had unlimited use, but even that can be limited if it exceeds fair use policy.. *sigh*

In response to your internet prices, we have much better deals here. You can get Cable Broadband speeds upto 60MB with Virgin media I think it is for about 50 a month... now thats insane!

flyinmac
Jan 6, 2008, 04:55 PM
My point was about standard pricing. It seems you americans also get swindled with fees too. We have download limits too, but if you exceed them, I think your internet speed is throttled down, or you're charged per/MB. Not too sure. Because im a heavy online user, we've always had unlimited use, but even that can be limited if it exceeds fair use policy.. *sigh*

In response to your internet prices, we have much better deals here. You can get Cable Broadband speeds upto 60MB with Virgin media I think it is for about 50 a month... now thats insane!

You have some amazing packages there. The prices you can get are just impressive.

I can't get past the K speeds with DSL here. And you're talking about MB. And, you can get those speeds so much cheaper than I can get the K speeds.

Yes, I know that isn't necessarily worded the best way. But, I would be all for the idea of movie downloads if I could get speeds and unlimited downloads at those prices.

Willis
Jan 6, 2008, 05:17 PM
You have some amazing packages there. The prices you can get are just impressive.

I can't get past the K speeds with DSL here. And you're talking about MB. And, you can get those speeds so much cheaper than I can get the K speeds.

Yes, I know that isn't necessarily worded the best way. But, I would be all for the idea of movie downloads if I could get speeds and unlimited downloads at those prices.

wow, i remember those days here in the UK ~2001... for 128k - 1MB used to be between 14-40 a month. These were also unlimited, then later came more options and the monthly allowances.

I have to say, its seems monthly download limits are subject to suitable broadband, and at the end of the day, that is down to your ISP.

flyinmac
Jan 6, 2008, 05:39 PM
wow, i remember those days here in the UK ~2001... for 128k - 1MB used to be between 14-40 a month. These were also unlimited, then later came more options and the monthly allowances.

I have to say, its seems monthly download limits are subject to suitable broadband, and at the end of the day, that is down to your ISP.


Yep, definitely determined by the provider. Unfortunately, we only have two available. I can get cable with higher speeds (up to 3 MB). But, their prices start even higher than the DSL prices.

With cable, they start at 64K (yes K) as in barely faster than a dial-up modem, and that costs about what I'm paying now for my slow 256K DSL package.

They won't even consider offering unlimited Cable Internet unless I get Cable television with every channel they offer, Cable telephone, use them for my long distance provider, and then take whatever other services they offer. If I buy every package they offer and every service they offer, then I can get unlimited downloads from the cable company. But, by then I'm up around $200 or more every month (around 102 or more).

Of course, if I spend that much on the service provider, I can't afford to purchase any content / movies :rolleyes:

I did use cable several years ago before the current company took over the local cable provider. But, the current company always hits you with fraudulent charges for things you didn't do, and then you have to argue with them for 6 months to get them reversed. They always have one or more "accidental" mess-ups every month. And, then they agree to fix it and don't. You end up in perpetual circles.

I almost switched to them again a few years ago in a time of desperation. But, before they even arrived to connect anything to the new house, they started billing me for things I had supposedly done, although I didn't have service and couldn't even possibly use yet.

I canceled right then, and still spent months arguing to get the false charges reversed.

So, I use the only other option here, and that's the DSL. But, even they are expensive for what I get.

termina3
Jan 16, 2008, 09:23 PM
We already pay $40 or so a month for what we have. It would cost me another $100 to step up to a plan without limits (everything between that range just increases speed).

I'm in Texas, and we pay ~$55/mo (incld. equipment rentals) for what ends up being a cable T1 connection (few 'net users in neighborhood; I somehow pickup extra bandwith). Absolutely no caps whatsoever. We're also cable customers. When we signed up, it was with TimeWarner, but now we're under Comcast.

(ComCast) that are constantly pushed to their desktop as long as they have a browser window open.

...

Unlike my ISP which just charges me extra, ComCast will actually turn off your service and boot you from their customer list if you actually use their service too much.

I've never had an issue with Comcast pushing ads. I'd suspect a virus/adware.

As mentioned, my Comcast subscription won't shut off; no limits.