Help Get Panther Up-To-Date for New Revision AiBook Buyers

[mxpiazza]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
...Is the "upgrade kit" just Panther retail or is it just a bare bones CD that I have to install on top of Jaguar?
it isn't retail, just the disc(s). you can do a format and install, but you have to have 10.2 on the volume you intend to install it on first... then it will erase the volume and install OSX.

[zync]

Originally posted by mxpiazza
it isn't retail, just the disc(s). you can do a format and install, but you have to have 10.2 on the volume you intend to install it on first... then it will erase the volume and install OSX.

Are you sure about this? I think otherwise for two reasons:

1. They show the Panther box when you're approved and if they show that it could be misconstrued that that's what you're supposed to receive and they'd have a false advertising claim and I'm sure somebody would file one.

2. The UtD is a promotional savings and not a promotional sale AFAICT. It's supposed to discount the price of the version you'd buy if you haven't bought a mac recently. This leads me to think that they're still going to give you the full retail version but just at a limited cost.

My opinion but no one post that so-and-so told you some BS about blah because it has become more and more evident that no rep for Apple knows a damn thing about what's a. going on and b. going to happen. Quite frankly I'm suprised that they even know about UtD in the first place even though it's existed for quite a while.

[Abraxsis]

Ordered a 12" BTO on Sept 4th. Delayed till Sept 28, recieved on the 2nd of Oct. Just tried it and it took it just fine. You know people keep saying false advertisement this and sueing and what not. No you cant sue, Apple reserves all rights to this, Clarkey is right about that.

Personal note to Clarkey, logic would tell me that theyre actively updating the serial number list seeing people are suddenly getting qualified that werent yesterday. Dont be such a nay-sayer. :)

I encourage people to order away if they qualify, and to keep checking back.

[lotzcll]

Ordered a 15" BTO on Sept 16th, I've had it for 2 weeks now and love it. Tried various times over the last couple days to get Panther via the Up-to-Date page. It just kept saying my serial # wasn't valid. Well I just tried it again and it went in just fine.

So I say, try, try, again, it worked for me!

[nydoofus]

Woohoo! Worked for me. 15" BTO ordered on the 17th.

[MacIke]

I have noticed that Apple has a number of doing things.

A common thread is that they do things to prevent many users from doing things. An example is the ipod music folder being invisable.
the reason given is that people have a right to that music. Steve wanted to make it hard for the average user.

What if Apple inteneded to allow people to get the new Kitty Kat who purchased the powerbook all along. Just like a REBATE. Most people do not send in the upgrade rebate form. This means they make another 30+ per package.

So Apple/Steve decide make it there so people really cannot whine about the date. Yes most people do not know about it. Hence the rebate coupon. Most people will buy $129 package and leave the $19 package alone. Hence a $110 more.

[Zaknafein]

Sweet! I tried again, and my 15" BTO Powerbook (ordered 9/20) qualified.

[MCPeck]

wow, I tried this last week when it first was annouced for my new AL pbook and it said my serial number wasn't found. I just tried it, and it works! Truely amazing!
I bought this powerbook on 9/16 at like 4am. Woohoo for apple!

..$21.60 for my new kitty..

[stoid]

Originally posted by e.melchionne
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again! I've been attempting to input my BTO 15" PB every couple of hours since this thread first started. The last was about 2 hours ago. Guess, what? It works now. Go get 'em guys!

I don't know if I'd say "fixed" technically it's even more broken because it's letting in even more people that it's not supposed to.

Anyway, I placed my order because my BTO PBook ordered September 22 finally went through as well.

[Lord Bodak]

Mine (BTO 12") was found today as well; it was not found earlier in the week.

*crosses fingers* Hope we get it!

[rwclark]

Hey it worked! I had received the "serial number not found" message before but this time everything went through just fine. A 15" 1GHz BTO model. Fantastic! I think our complaints paid off. :-)

[imbriumink]

BTO 12" powerbook
Works for me now! I'm a happy camper. Still debating whether to cancel my educational order that I already placed or to sell it when I get it on eBay. My morals aren't holding me back, but the trouble is. I'm figuring that Apple is probably going to honor this since they added people to the list instead of taking people out.

[Powerbook G5]

I think I am keeping my EDU order. I know it's nearly $50 more, but I plan on reformatting and installing case sensitive HFS+ and all and I don't want to have to go through installing 10.2, and then having to install 10.3 on top of that if it is just an "upgrade" and not the actual full retail version. Not to mention, I want that cool black and silver box.

[fratrow]

Still NO...

BTO... 12" Sept. 30th...

Serial number not in DB...

[joelc73]

It didn't work on Wedenesday for my BTO 1.25 PB. I just tried again, and I'm in!

[Col127]

i just qualified for the up-to-date too! i've been trying for the past while and wasn't able to get the update (my serial wasn't in the database). whoever said they're adding more serials to the database everyday is right. just keep trying :)

maybe it takes a while to get the serial number when you register into the database?

oh i should mention the mac i registered with:P

from the apple education store (canada)
BTO 12" PB 1GHZ G4, combo drive
ordered 09/16
received 09/30

registered 10/06
qualified for up to date 10/11

[soakwashrinse]

Woohoo, serial works for me now -- BTO PowerBook 15 ordered 16sep.

Powerbook G5:

Why don't you wait until the UtD discs are released before deciding whether or not to get the full retail version? Someone else mentioned in this thread that Apple guaranteed to him in a phone call that the UtD discs *WILL* allow someone to install on a blank HD (or his money back). There's even a (very very) small chance that the UtD discs might be the full boxed thing. Of course, you just might want to support Apple by buying the full thing anyway... which would be cool too! :)

[PLin]

Originally posted by soakwashrinse
Woohoo, serial works for me now -- BTO PowerBook 15 ordered 16sep.

Powerbook G5:

Why don't you wait until the UtD discs are released before deciding whether or not to get the full retail version? Someone else mentioned in this thread that Apple guaranteed to him in a phone call that the UtD discs *WILL* allow someone to install on a blank HD (or his money back). There's even a (very very) small chance that the UtD discs might be the full boxed thing. Of course, you just might want to support Apple by buying the full thing anyway... which would be cool too! :)

I'm the one who was told this by Apple when I called tech support. However, I am now skeptical about this info, because I had the Mac Genius at the local Apple Store pull up the case notes, and the tech didn't enter anything about my question. The only thing the tech entered was that I asked questions about Panther Up-to-Date and that he answered my questions. If the CD's end up requiring OS X to be on the hard drive, I no longer have proof that he misinfomed me. I don't know why he didn't document the details of our conversation as I had requested, but I can only guess that he was covering his ass in case he was wrong.

Since the program is good until December, I'm going to wait until others receive their CD's to determine if I want to spend the $20 or purchase the academic retail version for $70.

[Powerbook G5]

I'd wait, but I am too excited to get my hands on Panther to wait an extra few days to get an up to date disc and find out it's not a full retail version and having to re-order the academic version. I've been as excited over Panther this summer as I had been over the new 15" PowerBooks coming out.

[PLin]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I'd wait, but I am too excited to get my hands on Panther to wait an extra few days to get an up to date disc and find out it's not a full retail version and having to re-order the academic version. I've been as excited over Panther this summer as I had been over the new 15" PowerBooks coming out.

If you PLAN on purchasing Panther after you determine which version you want, then I don't see any problem with getting a copy from someone and installing it first, assuming that you know someone who is purchasing it on the release date. However, if you install a copy and then decide to never buy it, then that would definitely be breaking the law.

Apple needs to get their facts straight and give customers accurate information about the Panther Upgrade CD's. It is simply unaccetable for any manufacturer to not know details about a product they are already taking orders for.

[Powerbook G5]

That'd be great if I knew someone who was getting it, but I don't, so it's either get it now for sure or wait to save some money...but it is just so difficult to get myself to wait when I want it as soon as it comes out.

[cheesy]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
That'd be great if I knew someone who was getting it, but I don't, so it's either get it now for sure or wait to save some money...but it is just so difficult to get myself to wait when I want it as soon as it comes out.

you can also "obtain" it from other "sources"...that's what I did the moment I ordered the Up To Date upgrade. I don't have any moral qualms with that :)



Disclaimer: the following has NO relation whatsoever to illegal means of obtaining Panther, rather it is mindless rambling about nothing, NOTHING AT ALL. Do not pay attention to it: I recommend searching "7B85" on Acquisition. Also try getting the Bittorrent file from Acquistion then using Bittorrent. ;)

[Powerbook G5]

Even if I did, my school blocks those "other sources" so none of them will even connect. Hell, I cannot even use iTunes without serious barriers.

[Abraxsis]

On my confirmation email, as well as my Order Status on apple's website, it says under shipping "PM Delivery 10/24" so Im taking that to mean Panther will be on my doorstep come 10/24 barring shipper's error. Anyone care to comment?

[Powerbook G5]

I wish I could be that optimistic...even if that were true, it says something about by 8 pm and my school stops accepting packages by 4 pm, so I just hope that doesn't mean that the majority of these orders will be on the later side of the "PM" range.

[switchingGeek]

Hi,
Bought new PBook 12" 1GHz with airport Extreme (from Taiwan) on 25th Sept, recd on Oct 2nd. Bought at apple online store, with edu discount. BTO system (due to airport card).

The first time I tried it couldn't find my serial number.

Then I read about the Cupertino thing, so I entered Apple store, Cupertino, CA for the place, city and state, and I received the purchase conf!!

summary
BTO,
recd 10/2, ordered 9/25
put Cupertino, CA
removed - from SN.

Hope this helps!!

[Zaknafein]

I can say with a fair degree of certainty that the Purchase location, City, and State have absolutely zero bearing on whether your purchase is authorized. It all depends on the serial. They've just been adding more and more serials to the db as time goes on.

[zync]

Originally posted by Abraxsis
Ordered a 12" BTO on Sept 4th. Delayed till Sept 28, recieved on the 2nd of Oct. Just tried it and it took it just fine. You know people keep saying false advertisement this and sueing and what not. No you cant sue, Apple reserves all rights to this, Clarkey is right about that.

Personal note to Clarkey, logic would tell me that theyre actively updating the serial number list seeing people are suddenly getting qualified that werent yesterday. Dont be such a nay-sayer. :)

I encourage people to order away if they qualify, and to keep checking back.

While I agree with your second topic the first is still the forerunner for which I still have qualms. It would seem that Apple does indeed hold rights to this and yes they can refuse a sale, but after they have sent a notice saying this will ship in addition to a letter confirming the sale itself it's a sealed deal and, yes, for them to break it would be false advertising. I gurantee you if brought that to the attention of the Better Business Bureau Apple would indeed make it right. I never said I would sue, I just said that it may be possible though I thought I was obviously going to an extreme, so I guess in further points I'll try to reconize this and make it more clear. Also, what someone else had said (which I recall hearing somewhere) about California law favoring the consumer in cases of price disputes is true and not only that but it would be a terrible business practice for Apple to reneg an offer that their database incorrectly gave to many people. I believe that Apple wasn't open about it, which is already pretty shady in and of itself, because they figured less people would try it if their statements said otherwise, and a lot of people in these boards didn't try it until this topic became a page 1 article. Apple has already been pissing customers off quite a lot lately, and quite regularly for that matter, and angering more people, especially recent switchers, is not an intelligent path for Apple to tread. :D

[Zaknafein]

Originally posted by zync
While I agree with your second topic the first is still the forerunner for which I still have qualms. It would seem that Apple does indeed hold rights to this and yes they can refuse a sale, but after they have sent a notice saying this will ship in addition to a letter confirming the sale itself it's a sealed deal and, yes, for them to break it would be false advertising.

Sorry, but previous instances of price mistakes have shown that companies can and do cancel a sale after the transaction has been completed. A good example of this happened just this week. Dell screwed up one of their discounts on their website, allowing people to get an $800 PC for $230. Many orders where placed, but every single one of them wsas cancelled, and an email was sent explaining that it was a price mistake.

However, logic says that Apple won't cancel these sales. What sense does it make to add additonal serial numbers to the qualifying database, if they don't qualify. Someone from Apple has had to go through and consciously make changes for this recent batch of numbers to start showing up.

[yujini]

Though having a crippled cd that can't be installed without 10.2 sux, I don't think it's worth paying another 50 dollars plus tax on it.

How many times do you reformat/install your mac? Unless if you do it regularly every month or biweekly, I doubt that extra 30 minute will be worth 50 dollars.

You just leave it on, and come back after you eat lunch/dinner and install 10.3 over it.

Just my opinion.

[zync]

Originally posted by Zaknafein
Sorry, but previous instances of price mistakes have shown that companies can and do cancel a sale after the transaction has been completed. A good example of this happened just this week. Dell screwed up one of their discounts on their website, allowing people to get an $800 PC for $230. Many orders where placed, but every single one of them wsas cancelled, and an email was sent explaining that it was a price mistake.

However, logic says that Apple won't cancel these sales. What sense does it make to add additonal serial numbers to the qualifying database, if they don't qualify. Someone from Apple has had to go through and consciously make changes for this recent batch of numbers to start showing up.

Did it occur to you that the fact that they sent out emails was to reach out to the people so that they wouldn't call organizations such as the BBB? Also, there could be a limit as to the extent of error a company is required to correct. I work at a Target and usually as long as the price difference is $10 or less they'll just give you the lower price, assuming that the product is valued high enough to warrant such a reduction in price. An error when a program such as UtD is being run and there's a $110 difference and an error where there is no special program and a difference of $570 exists are two different situations. Dell has a clear cut mistake whereas Apple isn't so clear on it, especially since, though they give restrictions, their sign-up form gives access to the deal. Also it's way more logical that it's a mistake when a PC, obviously worth more than $700 dollars, is being sold for $230 than it is with a piece of software which has value that can't be compared to another piece of software except for the same piece at regular price. However Dell should still have to make good on it's mistake and just because they sent out an email saying it was an error doesn't mean that no one complained and got the system for $230. Also, you are correct, it is obviously more evident that this isn't an error when more people are able to get UtD, including new iMac purchasers.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by LimeiBook86
I don't think you "have" to :p but Apple says one OS X copy per computer. It is your choice to play by the rules or not. Actually one guy at the apple store near me said that it doesn't matter they just want you to buy more copys. I hope he still has his job :p

Actually, if you read the license agreement, you are legally obligated to buy multiple copies.

Originally posted by Mineral
Since you're not letting us BTO people wiht PowerBooks get the upgrade, I'll just keep my money and my FREE COPY of Panther that I acquired without you.

No way in Hell I'm paying them anything for Panther now.

Heck, you can do better than that. Why don't you shoplift an iSight from an Apple Store? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by mxpiazza
the shipping charge is now off of mine as well, and it only makes sense. for 1, the 19.95 is supposed to be for shipping and handling... why the heck would we need to pay another shipping charge on top of that? and two, there were shipment options (ground, 2 day, priority overnite), and no matter what, it's supposed to be delivered on the 24th, so shipping options would most likely just confuse people. my $.02

The $20 is for the cost of the box and the CD's, not for the cost of shipping.

Originally posted by e.melchionne
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again! I've been attempting to input my BTO 15" PB every couple of hours since this thread first started. The last was about 2 hours ago. Guess, what? It works now. Go get 'em guys!

This indicates to me that Apple is indeed intending to honor PowerBook Up-To-Date purchases. Since they seem to have bothered to fix the database, you'd figure they'd fix the obvious, glaring bug, but they didn't.

For the record, I have both the full version (my mom is gonna buy it from me) and the Up-To-Date on order.

Originally posted by zync
Did it occur to you that the fact that they sent out emails was to reach out to the people so that they wouldn't call organizations such as the BBB? Also, there could be a limit as to the extent of error a company is required to correct.

In all fairness, we all know we're not *supposed* to get Panther this way, so any complaint we might have would be blunted.

When I called and complained, I complained that the up-to-date terms were unfair, nothing else.

[zync]

In all fairness, we all know we're not *supposed* to get Panther this way, so any complaint we might have would be blunted.

When I called and complained, I complained that the up-to-date terms were unfair, nothing else.


True, but they've sent shipping confirmation, I'd argue it at this point. You can't tell me you're not then tell me you will then tell me you were wrong and won't. I won't stand for that.

[MacIke]

Originally posted by Zaknafein
Sorry, but previous instances of price mistakes have shown that companies can and do cancel a sale after the transaction has been completed. A good example of this happened just this week. Dell screwed up one of their discounts on their website, allowing people to get an $800 PC for $230. Many orders where placed, but every single one of them wsas cancelled, and an email was sent explaining that it was a price mistake.

However, logic says that Apple won't cancel these sales. What sense does it make to add additonal serial numbers to the qualifying database, if they don't qualify. Someone from Apple has had to go through and consciously make changes for this recent batch of numbers to start showing up.


First the Dell thing is a TYPO. Typos do happen and a business is allowed to back down from a type. Yes it makes people mad... but it is an honest mistake.

Apple will not back down... remember the 10.1 fiasco. All of sudden, Apple gave them away... all of a sidden COMPUSA got the disks for free.

[jimd909]

FYI,

After trying to get my up to date Panther since it was announced, and the site not being able to find my serial no. (BTO), I was able to qualify my PB today (10-12-03).

My BTO 1.25 was purchased on 10-1-03 and I was able to qualify it and purchage the up to date panther.

[jimd909]

Does anyone know how Apple is going to ship out the up to date panther or even the retail version? It says the ship date is 10/24 for PM delivery.

Do they have an agreement with Fed-Ex that they can't deliver it until 8 PM?

[Armsreach]

Just wanted to add to this LONG conversation. My wife ordered a 15" Albook when they were announced. She was well outside of the Oct. 8th deadline. Me being the cheapo I am (having just dropped about $3000 on software this month I was not willing to drop another $10 if I didn't have to) had her call cust. support. They said no. They sent her to customer relations. They also said no. however, when she went to the up-to-date website and logged in and placed her order, there it was, Panther for $20. So, if you ordered one of the new books, just log in and try ordering it (via the Up-To-Date) website.

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by MacIke
First the Dell thing is a TYPO. Typos do happen and a business is allowed to back down from a type. Yes it makes people mad... but it is an honest mistake.

Apple will not back down... remember the 10.1 fiasco. All of sudden, Apple gave them away... all of a sidden COMPUSA got the disks for free.

10.1 was supposed to be a $20/free upgrade. They would even burn it into a CD for you at the Apple Store if you brought in a blank.

[MacIke]

Originally posted by jimd909
Does anyone know how Apple is going to ship out the up to date panther or even the retail version? It says the ship date is 10/24 for PM delivery.

Do they have an agreement with Fed-Ex that they can't deliver it until 8 PM?


I have a feeling that the answers depends on where you live. I will most likely have mine earlier in the day. As I live out in the middle of nowhere. Fedex still delivers out here. But I am sure they do not want to have to wait till 8pm and then drive two hours back to the Twin Cities.

personally i bet I will have my delivery prior to 3pm. Also the wording leaves me with the idea that they will be delivered by 8pm. So these delivers will be the last things that FEDEX (I hope) or airborne (I hope not) deliver that very long day.

I am sure Apple has enough power to cut whatever deal they need to cut. As I recall people were getting 10.1 (a saturday release) on Friday and I think Jag was the same.

[MacIke]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
10.1 was supposed to be a $20/free upgrade. They would even burn it into a CD for you at the Apple Store if you brought in a blank.


Orginally the "FREE" upgrade was only going to be sent via the $20 shipping fee.

There was a great outcry and Apple said a limited number of 10.1 disks would be Apple stores. More great outcry. I was 5 hours from the nearest one. Then finally the day before word was put out that CompUsa would have the disks... where I got mine. Also at the same time that Apple Stores would let you burn the CD.

That CD was also a true update CD as compared with the 10.2 update which is the full thing. The 10.1 required you to have 10.0 already installed. I found this out when I upgraded my HD and reinstalled 10.1

Orginally the iUpdate was only from Apple UTD program.

[Lord Bodak]

Originally posted by zync
While I agree with your second topic the first is still the forerunner for which I still have qualms. It would seem that Apple does indeed hold rights to this and yes they can refuse a sale, but after they have sent a notice saying this will ship in addition to a letter confirming the sale itself it's a sealed deal and, yes, for them to break it would be false advertising. I gurantee you if brought that to the attention of the Better Business Bureau Apple would indeed make it right. I never said I would sue, I just said that it may be possible though I thought I was obviously going to an extreme, so I guess in further points I'll try to reconize this and make it more clear. Also, what someone else had said (which I recall hearing somewhere) about California law favoring the consumer in cases of price disputes is true and not only that but it would be a terrible business practice for Apple to reneg an offer that their database incorrectly gave to many people. I believe that Apple wasn't open about it, which is already pretty shady in and of itself, because they figured less people would try it if their statements said otherwise, and a lot of people in these boards didn't try it until this topic became a page 1 article. Apple has already been pissing customers off quite a lot lately, and quite regularly for that matter, and angering more people, especially recent switchers, is not an intelligent path for Apple to tread. :D

I think in this case you would be in error-- the web site CLEARLY states that you're only eligible if you purchased your machine after 10/8. So, regardless of what the automated ordering system says, we have no guarantees and, IMHO, no legal right to the upgrade.

However, at this point I am also sure that Apple knows earlier machines are being accepted, and they have continued adding serial numbers for machines purchased before 10/8 (including mine). Therefore, even though they don't HAVE to give us the upgrade, it sure looks like they're going to.

[KBFinFan]

About five days after registering my serial/part number with Apple, I tried again to verify my system, and this time I was in luck. I bought a 15" 1.25 Ghz Powerbook the day they were announced 9/16 and entered that date into the form.

I ordered the 19.95 Panther up-to-date version for i think 21.?? after tax. Not too shabby.. we'll see what happens.

Just wanted everyone to know


As an aside- I ordered the free standard shipping is that still mean it will come the evening of the 24th? Also, I don't think my school even accepts packages after 5/6 PM in the evening..

[Phil Of Mac]

As for your school accepting shipments: The way we do it here is, it's brought to the dorm lobby and it's signed for at the front desk. AFAIK there's nothing stopping *you* from going and accepting the package *yourself* if it's addressed to *you*, at least not here. YMMV.

[Powerbook G5]

Here it is accepted in our mail room and by 5 pm it is locked so you cannot even get into the mail room even if your package is sitting right there looking at you, it sucks, since I have a 2:30 and a 4 o'clock class, so it doesn't give me much time to check to see if it's there if it is delivered before 8 pm.

[LMarie]

Originally posted by cheesy
It worked for me.

I went to the Panther Up-To-Date page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/) and clicked on the link For Macintosh Systems purchased directly from the U.S. Apple (online) Store. I logged in, selected Powerbook G4, entered September 16, 2003, entered the serial number, entered "Apple Store" and my shipping city and state as the location purchased. It worked fine and let me ad it to my order, then I completed the order.



I'm so glad you posted this Cheesy. When I tried to qualify last week online it wouldn't work. But your note got me to thinking, I'd entered Cupertino for the location instead of where I live and the store name as "Apple Online Store".

I just tried it again, this time I copied and pasted the serial number from the Apple profiler into the online form and deleted the dash. Then I used my shipping city and entered "Apple Store". I qualified this time. Yeah!

[zync]

Originally posted by Lord Bodak
I think in this case you would be in error-- the web site CLEARLY states that you're only eligible if you purchased your machine after 10/8. So, regardless of what the automated ordering system says, we have no guarantees and, IMHO, no legal right to the upgrade.

However, at this point I am also sure that Apple knows earlier machines are being accepted, and they have continued adding serial numbers for machines purchased before 10/8 (including mine). Therefore, even though they don't HAVE to give us the upgrade, it sure looks like they're going to.

Yes I would be in error - only if they didn't have an automated system that deals with qualifying you based on the date you purchase. It does state from what I remember. Also, you would be amazed how many times customers can get something cheaper when it's put in the wrong place even when the label clearly states that it's price is for another item. If it's your error, it's your fault. You have to make good on your errors, especially if there is a known established precedent, as would be the case in so many people being able to sign up. Add to this the fact that their system didn't detect the error and sent me two confirmation emails with the final one explaining shipping it has thus become their error and must be rectified. There was a day's time before I got the second confirmation in which their error could have been found and I could've been notified, it even said that in the email. It said that "Promotion savings are subject to verification," but in the second email this is omitted, in effect telling me that I've passed the verification. I cannot be verified, indeed verified twice (Online verification and the verification the email mentions), and have them tell me I was wrong, sorry people that's not how it works.

[Phil Of Mac]

AFAIK, YANAL :)

[MacIke]

Originally posted by Lord Bodak
I think in this case you would be in error-- the web site CLEARLY states that you're only eligible if you purchased your machine after 10/8. So, regardless of what the automated ordering system says, we have no guarantees and, IMHO, no legal right to the upgrade.

However, at this point I am also sure that Apple knows earlier machines are being accepted, and they have continued adding serial numbers for machines purchased before 10/8 (including mine). Therefore, even though they don't HAVE to give us the upgrade, it sure looks like they're going to.

If I was in any way deceptive about my order (place in the wrong date, wrong machine, fake serial number) it is MY fault and I have commited fraud.

Apple has verfied through thier system. A date of 9/16 and powerbook G4 should have tripped thier system. But it did not. Apple then sends me a verfication letter they will be shipping.

I am still of the opnion Apple knew exactly what it is doing:
1. Say publicly only systems purchased after Oct 8.

2. Allow anyone who desires who has purchased a powerbook to UTD regardless of the date.

This would make sense as far as business goes. Keeps most everyone happy and more money in the pocket.

[zync]

Originally posted by MacIke
If I was in any way deceptive about my order (place in the wrong date, wrong machine, fake serial number) it is MY fault and I have commited fraud.

Apple has verfied through thier system. A date of 9/16 and powerbook G4 should have tripped thier system. But it did not. Apple then sends me a verfication letter they will be shipping.

I am still of the opnion Apple knew exactly what it is doing:
1. Say publicly only systems purchased after Oct 8.

2. Allow anyone who desires who has purchased a powerbook to UTD regardless of the date.

This would make sense as far as business goes. Keeps most everyone happy and more money in the pocket.

I agree. That's what I did as well.

[Mac Dummy]

Hi All,

I just recieved my new 12" powerbook (1Ghz) on Wednesday 10/08! I just wanted to let everyone know that if you qualify for Apple's educational discount, then Panther is only $69 dollars. I know it's not as good as getting it for $20, but it's better than $129.

[Mac Dummy]

Originally posted by MacIke
If I was in any way deceptive about my order (place in the wrong date, wrong machine, fake serial number) it is MY fault and I have commited fraud.

Apple has verfied through thier system. A date of 9/16 and powerbook G4 should have tripped thier system. But it did not. Apple then sends me a verfication letter they will be shipping.

I am still of the opnion Apple knew exactly what it is doing:
1. Say publicly only systems purchased after Oct 8.

2. Allow anyone who desires who has purchased a powerbook to UTD regardless of the date.

This would make sense as far as business goes. Keeps most everyone happy and more money in the pocket.

I bought my 12" Powerbook on 9/25, and it was accepted for the upgrade. I hope that Apple honors the price. Otherwise, I'm canceling my order and reordering with the educational discount.

[G6iPod]

I tried to get the Panther upgrade for my BTO 15" last week and it didn't couldn't find my serial no. . I just tried again last night and it went through. So everyone who didn't get it, try again.

[Lord Bodak]

Originally posted by MacIke
If I was in any way deceptive about my order (place in the wrong date, wrong machine, fake serial number) it is MY fault and I have commited fraud.


But just by filling out the form you were being deceptive about your order. They clearly stated October 8th, and you chose to fill out the form anyway.

I happen to agree that the whole thing is probably intentional, but it is still possible that it's an error and if so, I still don't think there is any legal requirement for Apple to ship it to us at the upgrade price.

[soakwashrinse]

I've been called a fraudster, a cheat, a liar on other forums over this, but I have a clear conscience. Apple has had plenty of opportunity to rectify the qualification issues in their database -- they most certainly know that they're there. If they choose to do so, they could have very easily screened me out on the basis of the "purchase date" field alone -- at no stage did I provide them with any false information. I can only conclude that this has all been intentional on Apple's part.

If Apple choses to cancel my order, then fine by me -- I'll probably shell over the full price for Panther some time in future. Otherwise, I'm not losing any sleep over this.

[zync]

Originally posted by Lord Bodak
But just by filling out the form you were being deceptive about your order. They clearly stated October 8th, and you chose to fill out the form anyway.

I happen to agree that the whole thing is probably intentional, but it is still possible that it's an error and if so, I still don't think there is any legal requirement for Apple to ship it to us at the upgrade price.

Think of this another way. He calls Apple and they ask him the questions that the form asked and he answers truthfully, the guy comes back after asking his supervisor about the cutoff date and says yep, you qualify. Where is he being deceptive at all? By the way, don't try to say that this isn't a valid argument because it is. In no way other than it being a computer vs. human is this example different.

[pcpjr]

Well, after many calls and complaints, and making sure my system was in fact registered with Apple's database, I was successful in getting my order through.

I am one of the BTO orders that couldn't get through last week. I bought mine on Oct. 4th and received it on Oct 7th @ 3PM EST.

BTO 15" G4 1.25 w/
1 - 512MB SO-DIMM
5400RPM Drive
80GB HDD

I guess the BTO theory is out the window, unless of course they just got sick of me calling.

At the Up to Date site, I put in:

Oct 4, Serial#, Apple Online Store, Apple Online Store, CA...

[nickfit]

I fail to see how filling out the form with the correct information is decietful. The process should be automatic on their part. The serial number should have a registration date associated with it, and there is a purchase date box. There is no deciet in seeing if you qualify. Those who bought G5s before the 8th qualify, why shouldn't some one who spent as much on a new powerbook qualify.

Again, it's rediculous to think that this action is decietful.

[EatingPie]

You fill out a form, tell the TRUTH, and you are... DECEITFUL????

C'mon man. What they DO with the truth is on THEIR conscience, no ours.

Consider dead horse thoroughly beaten...

-Pie

[Phil Of Mac]

I spoke with my MIS professor about this, and she thinks it's intentional. Apple says that they have a cutoff date of October 8, but the real cutoff is earlier than that (and secret), so we get to qualify anyway. She says it's a relatively common practice--for instance, the top ten grade-earning individuals in her class actually consist of 12 people because the other 2 are so close to the top 10 that they might as well be counted. So there you have it.

[WK2003]

i just verified my powerbook purchased on 9/22 and qualified for the $19.99 upgrade to Panther with free shipping. I entered the serial number, my purchase date and the name of my school's computer store and had no problem with the verification system. My system is the BTO 1.25GHz 15" PB version. I got it along with the 10GB iPod and HP Printer under educational discount and the $300 rebate deal....incidentally, does anyone know what does Mac OS 10.3 Gold master (7b85) mean???

[WK2003]

i have a BTO 1.25GHz 15" powerbook also

[cheesy]

"Gold Master", or "GM" means the very final version of the software that will be distributed. "7B85" is the build number, in this case the build number of the GM release (I think/hope since I already installed it...)

[IC3]

Hey all,

To go back to something that was mentioned earlier - whether if you ordered your AlBook ages ago and still haven't received it, here's what happened to me:

I decided to call the nice people at the Apple Online Education Store (UK) this morning. I explained to them that I ordered my AlBook on 16th Sept, but due to delays in getting the parts for my BTO spec, I still haven't received it. I also haven't yet received an order confirmation (although they told me over the phone when I rung that my order had been confirmed and would be shipping shortly). At first the phone operator said I wasn't eligible for the Panther upgrade, simply because I ordered before Oct 8th.

I went on to explain how 'ordering' and 'purchasing' are not the same thing, and that the terms of the upgrade clearly say that AlBooks 'purchased' on or after 8th Oct can get the upgrade and as far as I knew, up until I called to check, they hadn't confirmed my purchase with me. The lady on the line then checked with her supervisor, who said I was elilgible!

The phone operator then proceeded to walk me through getting my Panther upgrade online (I have already looked at the site, know how it works and know that you need to have your machine before you can order the upgrade). When she realised this she told me I would have to wait until my machine arrives to order it (duh!)

The moral of this story? - Try and find someone who knows what they are talking about before you give up....and don't believe the first thing they tell you!

[cheesy]

Originally posted by IC3
Hey all,

To go back to something that was mentioned earlier - whether if you ordered your AlBook ages ago and still haven't received it, here's what happened to me:

I decided to call the nice people at the Apple Online Education Store (UK) this morning. I explained to them that I ordered my AlBook on 16th Sept, but due to delays in getting the parts for my BTO spec, I still haven't received it. I also haven't yet received an order confirmation (although they told me over the phone when I rung that my order had been confirmed and would be shipping shortly). At first the phone operator said I wasn't eligible for the Panther upgrade, simply because I ordered before Oct 8th.

I went on to explain how 'ordering' and 'purchasing' are not the same thing, and that the terms of the upgrade clearly say that AlBooks 'purchased' on or after 8th Oct can get the upgrade and as far as I knew, up until I called to check, they hadn't confirmed my purchase with me. The lady on the line then checked with her supervisor, who said I was elilgible!

The phone operator then proceeded to walk me through getting my Panther upgrade online (I have already looked at the site, know how it works and know that you need to have your machine before you can order the upgrade). When she realised this she told me I would have to wait until my machine arrives to order it (duh!)

The moral of this story? - Try and find someone who knows what they are talking about before you give up....and don't believe the first thing they tell you!

dude, you probably could have gotten it anyway, most of us have even though we ordered and in most cases received our PowerBooks before October 8.

[pb1212580]

So people, WHAT DO I DO?
ordered 09/18 and received 10/08, charged 10/08.
STILL DOESN'T qualify. Should I call them up?
Anyone?

[pb1212580]

Just spoke with Apple and verified that the Update CD will be the same as the Panther "full version". Basically, there is just ONE version. no difference between update and the other one.

Secondly, nope, Apple still wouldnt' give it to me even though my computer was received on the 8th. They claim that the money transaction took place on the 6th. argh...even then...

[cheesy]

Originally posted by pb1212580
Just spoke with Apple and verified that the Update CD will be the same as the Panther "full version". Basically, there is just ONE version. no difference between update and the other one.

Awesome! Great news! I hope it comes with all 4 CDs (3 install CDs plus 1 Xcode CD...I think)

Secondly, nope, Apple still wouldnt' give it to me even though my computer was received on the 8th. They claim that the money transaction took place on the 6th. argh...even then...

Hmm, thats crappy. I suggest you don't accept no as an answer. It seems the Up To Date page validated most of us, why not you? You did try entering your serial number and stuff, right...?

[cb911]

glad to hear that lots more people are getting the up to date offer now.

i just went and did it again, it worked this time. so now i've ordered it and i purchased my PB on the 26th of September! :eek:

i'm hoping that it still comes through, but if it does, i'll be feeling sorry for all the others that purchased theirs after me and still can't get the deal. :(

also glad to hear that UtD is the full version of Panther. i wouldn't pay just for an 'upgrade'.

[Phil Of Mac]

3 CD's now, plus Xcode? Why is it that Mac OS X grows by 1 CD in each major release? What next, a release on DVD?

[cheesy]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
3 CD's now, plus Xcode? Why is it that Mac OS X grows by 1 CD in each major release? What next, a release on DVD?

Yup, CD 1 and CD 2 are approximatly 630MB, and CD 3 is about 215MB, i believe. Still looking for Xcode GM...

[Chmeeee]

Just wanted to let people know that I successfully qualified my 17" iMac 1.25 tonight, purchased on the 19th of September. Oddly enough, the serial number did not match when I chose "The new iMac" as my computer type, but rather just "iMac." Bizzare.

It looks like Apple may just be qualifying all purchases of recently updated systems. Any iBooks out there qualify?

[coumerelli]

Originally posted by cheesy
Yup, CD 1 and CD 2 are approximatly 630MB, and CD 3 is about 215MB, i believe. Still looking for Xcode GM...

FCP is on a DVD, so why not? Also, with Jaguar you can cut out nearly a gig of bloat (extra language support) by 'configuring' the clean install and opting out. (A trick I read about in 'The Missing Manual" A must read for some great info - and fun, too.) I imagine the same will be tru for Panther.

And for those who qualified for the UTD, it'll ARRIVE at my doorstep on the 24th? Is that right? no matter what I picked for shipping (which they've taken off btw)?

[LimeiBook86]

I tried to get Panther again, no such luck. It says try and send in the mail-in forum :p

I'll just get my edu discount...:D

[cheesy]

Originally posted by coumerelli
FCP is on a DVD, so why not? Also, with Jaguar you can cut out nearly a gig of bloat (extra language support) by 'configuring' the clean install and opting out. (A trick I read about in 'The Missing Manual" A must read for some great info - and fun, too.) I imagine the same will be tru for Panther.

And for those who qualified for the UTD, it'll ARRIVE at my doorstep on the 24th? Is that right? no matter what I picked for shipping (which they've taken off btw)?

Why not? Because not every computer that supports Panther has a DVD drive (numerous older models, plus current low end iBook and eMac, XServe).

FCP4 is on a DVD because nearly every computer that supports it has a DVD drive...in fact obviously for a computer to support FCP4 it MUST have a DVD drive :rolleyes:

It would be nice if they offered a single DVD as an option, or standard with models that DO include DVD drives.

As a side benefit (for Apple) it would reduce piracy a bit.

[LimeiBook86]

I think Apple is smart to put Apps on DVDs. Panther should be, it is big. iLife was, so everything else should be. Almost all Macs have at least a DVD-ROM or Combo Drive now. I think it will all be on DVDs in about 2 or 3 years. Depends on what Apple decides to do with the next OS and what Macs would work with it. :p

[Phil Of Mac]

I believe Mac OS 8 was available as a CD, but you could ask for a set of floppies instead. Expect Apple to take the same tack with DVD's and CD's.

[sfleming]

Purchased 15" Powerbook with superdrive on 10/2. Due to this thread and all you nice helpful people I was able to order Panther for $20. THANKS! I'm spreading the word.

[yujini]

You know, when they say on or before the 24th, that means the estimated "ship" date is then. It doesn't mean that by the 24th, you'd be receiving your panther.

So we'd have to wait another 3-5 days until we get the package. (that is for standard shipping)

[Aetheros]

Bought my 17 inch PowerBook on October 4 and the Panther announcement came out while I was waiting for it to arrive.

I went through the Up to Date link and my machine qualified for the $19.99 upgrade. I also was not charged shipping on the purchase.

[pfonke]

At least one pbook owner says his/her credit card has been charged. See this (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?14@72.9jGbajb2hMc.4@.599adc84) thread on the Apple Support fora.

[Bendit]

I just got off the phone with apple for the third time. I argued with the lady heavily that I know people who've bought a powerbook before the Oct 8 deadline and have qualified for the free upgrade. They said that it is a mistake and before it ships it will have to go through them and they will notice these mistakes and they will not get shipped.

She was probably just saying that to get me off the phone but still, it's interesting.

So I still can't get qualified for mine (on the phone or the website)

She told me she was gonna tell her manager about this, so hopefully you guys won't get screwed because of me, and hopefully it'll just loosen their system and let me get the upgrade for free too.

[DrDookie01]

I bought my iMac 1.25Ghz on September 10, 2003 from the apple store... and I qualified for the Up-To-Date program for Mac OS X v10.3

I went to http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ followed the link "US Customers" (who bought from the Apple Store Online), answered the information truthfully, qualifed my computer... it was that easy....

good thing I checked this forum, I quickly CXLD a pre-order I had for Panther of which I had since the day they announced it.


Thank you q1232, if I had not read your post, I would of never known you could input your computer's serial number and find out whether you qualified or not.

[mikki]

I ordered my BTO PBG4 on September 23rd and it shipped on October 7th. I tried to register for the $20 upgrade through their website around the 13th but it wouldn't accept my serial number (I believe I registered my serial number that night also). So I waited and tried again today and it worked!

So for all of you BTOs, it does work. Perhaps it needed to be in their system a few days before it worked. Of course, like everyone else, I'll wait and see if they actually ship it at that price.

[drewcare]

I got a shipping notification for panther UTD this morning. Shipped via fedex :)

Ordered my 15" powerbook on 9/16 :)

[Zaknafein]

Originally posted by drewcare
I got a shipping notification for panther UTD this morning. Shipped via fedex :)

Ordered my 15" powerbook on 9/16 :)

Got the same shipping notice on my 15" BTO.

[Lord Bodak]

My Panther UTD shipped today via Fed-Ex. New 12" PowerBook ordered 9/10.

[WK2003]

my panther UTD was shipped via Fedex this morning.....i purchased my BTO 15" 1.25GHz powerbook on 9/22

[cheesy]

my panther was shipped as well (powerbook 17" ordered on sept 16)

[zync]

whaddya know, they shipped mine too! now who was that like twenty pages ago we all had an argument with and said we'd PM him "I told you so?" I said I wouldn't PM him but that I'd post it....so....

WE TOLD YOU SO!
:D

no hard feelings of course...oh and it seems they dropped my shipping charge finally...

[zync]

seems I hit the wrong button....edit is too close to quote when you're tired as hell...

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by zync
seems I hit the wrong button....edit is too close to quote when you're tired as hell...

Happens to me too :)

My kitty has shipped. BTO PBG4, ordered 9/16.

[ae86_16v]

Originally posted by Bendit
I just got off the phone with apple for the third time. I argued with the lady heavily that I know people who've bought a powerbook before the Oct 8 deadline and have qualified for the free upgrade. They said that it is a mistake and before it ships it will have to go through them and they will notice these mistakes and they will not get shipped.

She was probably just saying that to get me off the phone but still, it's interesting.

So I still can't get qualified for mine (on the phone or the website)

She told me she was gonna tell her manager about this, so hopefully you guys won't get screwed because of me, and hopefully it'll just loosen their system and let me get the upgrade for free too.

Mine was just shipped today. . . Don't worry. Thanks for the heads up. :)

[Counterfit]

Originally posted by zync
it seems they dropped my shipping charge finally... Same here.

[soakwashrinse]

Apple has charged my credit card for the UtD disks, although they haven't shipped yet! Like most in this thread, my new PowerBook didn't technically qualify for the UtD program (bought 16/09, shipped 26/09). It looks like Apple is going to honor our orders after all!

[zync]

Originally posted by soakwashrinse
Apple has charged my credit card for the UtD disks, although they haven't shipped yet! Like most in this thread, my new PowerBook didn't technically qualify for the UtD program (bought 16/09, shipped 26/09). It looks like Apple is going to honor our orders after all!

Actually they did...my PowerBook purchased on 9/16 will be getting it's, as Phil would say, black ***** on 10/24 before 4:30 PM, hopefully though it'll get here before I go to class because I'm going to a friend's house and won't be back until saturday, but then I'll have to go to freakin' work....damn this weekend will suck until sunday despite panther, and I think I work until 6 then so damnit! plus I have class at 9 AM on monday so I'll end up staying up late and being super tired like I am every monday....:( this viscious circle will never ****ing end...

[Bendit]

I couldn't get qualified so I had to buy it, at the student discount of course.

I am still pretty pissed. I bought a BTO 12" PowerBook on Sept 26.

I wouldn't be pissed if none of us got it, but it pisses me off that some are getting and some are not. Especially those who bought it weeks before me.

[pb1212580]

I hear ya. I bought a BTO 12" and received it on Oct. 8th; the day Pantehr was announced!!! Really pissy, isn't it?!

So freaking unfair... I wonder if there's a BBB agency that deals with this kind of things. why can't they just make it all the same... qualify everyone with new macs!!!

argh.

[betoranaldi]

Well i ordered both the up to date cd's and also and EDU Retail Box.

The UTD cd's shipped yesterday with typical 2 day shipping which i did not choose (i always choose basic shipping)

the boxed version hasnt shipped yet but shipping has changed to standard overnight, so i assume that it will go out sometime today.

I ordered my pb on 09/17 and recieved it 19/23 its was the standard 15" with Superdrive

-Brian

[ihparker]

Thanks to those on this forum that discovered that you could buy the $20 upgrade no matter when you purchased a 15" aluminum.

Mine shipped yesterday. Due to arrive tomorrow. Second day air upgrade for the same $20!

[johnnyjibbs]

All Panther products have free fast shipping so they will be here on Friday night.

For those of you that can't qualify like me, I would suggest a postal application. I am in the process of sending off a cheque for £14 (the British upgrade price) with the online printed postal up-to-date form and a covering letter explaining my situation. I bought on 21 Sept, it shipped on Oct 4th and arrived on Oct 9th! If I were you I would try to get it. Be nice though - although it's not a fair system they seem to be operating, remember that Apple is under no obligation to honour your claim if you bought before the 8th of October.

By the way, I can't load the up-to-date website with Safari, but I can with Camino and it says the serial number for my 12" BTO "cannot be found."

[WK2003]

i think now the internal policy looks to be that any 15" or 17" Albooks purchased with the latest hardware updates also gets the panther upgrade option, while not so for the updated 12"....BTW, anyone knows when the powerbook G5 will be introduced????

[Powerbook G5]

Originally posted by WK2003
i think now the internal policy looks to be that any 15" or 17" Albooks purchased with the latest hardware updates also gets the panther upgrade option, while not so for the updated 12"....BTW, anyone knows when the powerbook G5 will be introduced????

I'm right here, nice to meet you. ;)

[Phil Of Mac]

Has anyone else noticed the title of this thread?

I never knew "Aluminum" was abbreviated as "Ai" :)

[Powerbook G5]

I've noticed a lot of people spell it "Ai" as well. I guess no one took chemistry in High School.

[Phil Of Mac]

I think "Ai" is a word in Japanese, but I don't know what it means.

[pfonke]

Originally posted by WK2003
i think now the internal policy looks to be that any 15" or 17" Albooks purchased with the latest hardware updates also gets the panther upgrade option, while not so for the updated 12"....BTW, anyone knows when the powerbook G5 will be introduced????

My new 12" 1Ghz mini-DVI Powerbook qualified, and the up-to-date Panther upgrade is at the FedEx facility in Ft. Lauderdale.

[soakwashrinse]

With so many calling it an "AiBook", I'm suprised I haven't seen it referred to as an "AiBo" yet.

You have to admit though, "AlBook" isn't a term that rolls off the tongue easily. I just call it a "PowerBook". :)

And what is it with people calling laptops "labtops"?

[zync]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Has anyone else noticed the title of this thread?

I never knew "Aluminum" was abbreviated as "Ai" :)

Yeah I just never bothered to post it although it has pained me every time I read it...

[WK2003]

my UTD Panther is HERE!!!! delivered at 11.10 EST 10/24 to the front desk!!!!:D :D

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by mainstreetmark
I'll happily spend $130 on a new OS to support my favorite hardware/software manufacturer. If they give it away to everyone who purchased new hardware in the last few monhts, they loose a lot of valuable revenue.

The G5 deal is probably to make up for the extensive delay those poor guys have had. It's been what, over a quarter of a year for those boxes to arrive? My new 17PB arrived a week later.

Huh.....
Let's all remember that Apple, while a great, innovative company, is still just that: a company/corporation. They have no trouble raising revenue.

Who was it that said all corporations are inherently evil?

Sorry, this is off topic!

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by sethypoo
Huh.....
Let's all remember that Apple, while a great, innovative company, is still just that: a company/corporation. They have no trouble raising revenue.

They deserve it. It's in their best interest to make scads of money and it's in my best interest to use their products. It's called a win-win situation, it's called a mutual benefit, it's called capitalism!

[nickdtm]

Just throwing in another data point... BTO 15" purchased 9/16, my UTD cd arrived today.

[dr_lha]

I ordered my 12" Powebook on the 30th September and recieved it on the 21st. I've been trying to get the uptodate website working for a while but it doesn't recognise my Serial Number.

I noticed today that the form no longer accepts dates before 8th October. If you enter one it asks you to correct it.

Looks like they closed the loophole.

Oh well - I qualify for the Edu discount anyway so will just get the full version.

[Giaguara]

i ordered mine 18 oct, got it wednesday. so i qualified. now waiting only for the 10.3 pack to arrive.

[zync]

Mine's sitting at home and I'm sitting in class...maybe I will drive back home before going to my friends house :)

[Phil Of Mac]

Mine's delivered!

[Counterfit]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I'm right here, nice to meet you. ;) That played quite well into you hands now, didn't it? My copy came in today, err, well, yesterday by now (It's almost 5am!!!) I'm still backing up so I'll have to install tomorrow, err, today... :rolleyes:

[Hai]

They said "shipping on or before 24th". Oh yes, it did ship on the 24th. Exactly five minutes before midnight.

But it's Aibook UTD, no complaining.

[lucab1982]

Has anyone received the UTD Panther?

What is or what do you think the packaging will be like? A full version box or just the cds etc?

anyone got UTD with jaguar?

[ihparker]

It came in a thin envelope with CDs in soft plastic wrap and a couple of skinny "manuals." Not the full box version, but then again all I ever do with the box is help fill up some dump somewhere.

[pb1212580]

Ya, for $20, I guess they couldn't afford the box!
to be honest, it's still kinda disappointing... would have been nice... i'd display the box in the middle of my living room! HA! :) Make the box into a poster/installation art...

anyone want to send me theirs so I can make a piece of art out of it?!

[Counterfit]

The UTD Panther is the same for the Jag for Teachers, just an envelope with the box contents.

[pimentoLoaf]

Purchased my 17" alumaBook at an Apple retail store on 3rd October, and tried qualifying it, but it comes back asking for the system type and date -- knowing I'm not qualified, after all.

Will wait for bug fixes, however, after reading about all the problems so far.

[ihparker]

So weird how the qualifying thing seems random. I bought my 15" al at an apple store the day after they were released and I qualified and received the upgrade for $20.00.

[zync]

You'd think that if they gave us all the stuff that was in the box they could've just given us the damn box. The reason UTD is cheaper is because we all bought systems recently and you're paying for the OS when you buy the system, so the new one is basically discounted by what you've already paid for. We should've gotten the exact same thing as someone who purchased any version of Mac OS and then "upgraded." And if the contents are the same, what's the problem with sending the box? This is so stupid of Apple.....it's really very petty, I mean I know they're out to make money because I understand how economies work but geez, that box does not cost that much...yet there are people that will pay lots of money just for the box even though they qualified for UTD so I guess it's a smart, though assholish, thing for Apple to do...on a lighter note does anyone else seem to have problems with their illum keyboard now that panther is installed? Specifically after it's been asleep?

[zync]

My modem finally reports how long i've been online now though...maybe it's a trade-off? Hmmm, since they finally put DSL out here in the boonies I guess that's a lose-lose for me....:)

[Powerbook G5]

Originally posted by zync
You'd think that if they gave us all the stuff that was in the box they could've just given us the damn box. The reason UTD is cheaper is because we all bought systems recently and you're paying for the OS when you buy the system, so the new one is basically discounted by what you've already paid for. We should've gotten the exact same thing as someone who purchased any version of Mac OS and then "upgraded." And if the contents are the same, what's the problem with sending the box? This is so stupid of Apple.....it's really very petty, I mean I know they're out to make money because I understand how economies work but geez, that box does not cost that much...yet there are people that will pay lots of money just for the box even though they qualified for UTD so I guess it's a smart, though assholish, thing for Apple to do...on a lighter note does anyone else seem to have problems with their illum keyboard now that panther is installed? Specifically after it's been asleep?

What problems with your keyboard? Mine seems fine, but if there is a specific problem, I can check mine out more closely.

[milksheikh]

Originally posted by zync
And if the contents are the same, what's the problem with sending the box?

Well, for one thing, it makes it harder to sell on eBay for an easy profit...

Why should they include a box? If you got the OS with your new computer, you wouldn't have a box. And the Up-to-Date program is a proxy for that...

[zync]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
What problems with your keyboard? Mine seems fine, but if there is a specific problem, I can check mine out more closely.


It's been asleep for about 15-16 hours and then I woke it and put it back to sleep for a little while and then I turned the lights off and the keyboard did not light so I hit F8 and it showed that it was on but that it wasn't dark enough to come on....so I closed it and woke it and it worked and now it has the same problem...but I can't close it cause that'll end my stupid AOL....I dunno why it's doing it but maybe a reboot will solve the problem...it's obviously software related (unless the sensors aren't working now somehow) and rebooting solves like 90% of computer problems so when I do I'll let you know what happens...

[zync]

Originally posted by milksheikh
Well, for one thing, it makes it harder to sell on eBay for an easy profit...

Why should they include a box? If you got the OS with your new computer, you wouldn't have a box. And the Up-to-Date program is a proxy for that...

I guess but you're led to believe that you're getting exactly what everyone else is...and I think it even showed the box when I ordered it...I don't feel like I'm entitled to it, but it would be easy for them to send the box....and yes I guess you could make an easy profit on it...but then again so could anyone who had a boxed version (or even a box-less version) before the release...like that UK guy who got it on wednesday (assuming that they could ship it fast enough :))...

[Powerbook G5]

That's weird, mine seems to be working like normal. It seems to be brighter by default than Jaguar would set it to, though.

[zync]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
That's weird, mine seems to be working like normal. It seems to be brighter by default than Jaguar would set it to, though.

It did seem a little brighter....when it worked :)

[Powerbook G5]

Panther has seemed to have had quite a few bugs. Fortunately, I've found work arounds, fixes, and general ways past the ones that annoyed me the most. The only one that seems to be sticking is that the DHCP won't renew my IP address like it should so I have to go in and type one in manually or turn it off and on to get it working again. I can't wait for 10.3.1 to be released with a round of bug fixes.

[zync]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Panther has seemed to have had quite a few bugs. Fortunately, I've found work arounds, fixes, and general ways past the ones that annoyed me the most. The only one that seems to be sticking is that the DHCP won't renew my IP address like it should so I have to go in and type one in manually or turn it off and on to get it working again. I can't wait for 10.3.1 to be released with a round of bug fixes.

Yeah, me too!

[Haskellf]

I just tried to enter in my date of purchase sept.17th with the correct serial number and it did not accept it. I tried all other sept dates, to no avail. i then tried Oct.8th and it worked. I should be receiving my Panther Update in the next 2 days..... fancy that? Wonder why it worked?

[Counterfit]

Probably because you committed fraud. (probably not felony fraud, but fraud nonetheless)

[Haskellf]

Originally posted by Counterfit
Probably because you committed fraud. (probably not felony fraud, but fraud nonetheless)

Hahahahaha, you crack me up. Let's see it states here that you purchased your computer on sept.19th, so essentially your also committing fraud for filling out the form that clearly states that the updates are for those who purchased their computers after Oct.8th. Seems like your using the same breakdown in the system as I am..... would you not say :) Anyhow, I think you'll agree with me that Apple should have created a discount for users who purchased their computer in the past 3 months. I would have easily paid 50% of the retail cost. However, I find it's quite surprising to have to fork out another $125 or so for an upgrade. Anyhow, no offense on the crack, but I did have to defend your rationality there :)

[davebl]

I purchased my 12" AlBook from Compusa on the 2nd of November. I told the Apple Rep that I didn't feel it was fair that Panther was out and I am buying a brand new 1800 machine from them, and I still have to pay an "upgrade fee".

He explained it was to cover shipping and printing and other things just so that Apple could break even.

After I got the CompUSA manager over there, he took off 20 bucks to make my upgrade fee for Panther "free". Not quite free, but still it seemed better than nothing.

[Counterfit]

Originally posted by Haskellf
Hahahahaha, you crack me up. Let's see it states here that you purchased your computer on sept.19th, so essentially your also committing fraud for filling out the form that clearly states that the updates are for those who purchased their computers after Oct.8th. Seems like your using the same breakdown in the system as I am..... would you not say :) That's been discussed before, and if you give them the actual purchase date, you weren't lying, and (doubtfully, but possible) didn't know it would work. By giving false information with an intent to cheat on a form, that's most certainly fraud. I doubt they'll come after you though, their legal department is probably way too busy to bother with one person.