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goodwilldrums
Jan 8, 2008, 12:04 AM
Ok,

I have just converted almost 200 video files
from dvd's (tv shows and movies) using handbrake
of course, and I used the ipod setting, because
initially that's where I wanted them to go, there
and to my iPhone. Now looking towards an :apple:tv, I really
do not want to reconvert all of my files again using the
:apple:tv setting, (this process has taken me weeks to complete
my collection)

I would just like to know if anyone knows
what an ipod setting on handbrake would look like on :apple:tv??

Thanks for any input!
-jake



NightStorm
Jan 8, 2008, 12:17 AM
If they were encoded using the newer iPod High-Res preset, I think you'll be OK, but that's just my opinion; it really boils down to personal preferences.

goodwilldrums
Jan 8, 2008, 12:35 AM
Most of them have an average bit rate of 1600 - 1650 or so...

and dimensions of 640x368
video codec H.264

I'm just worried that it will look a little "pixelated" on my 42" plasma (the tv i plan to use :apple:tv on)
it looks great on my 20" cinema display (full screen) when playing through itunes.


i have used my ipod video out to play videos on the tv i plan to use :apple:tv
with....do you think this is a good idea of what it will look like? Or will it be different since it's not played through an ipod?!

jarenado
Jan 8, 2008, 01:01 AM
im hoping they look ok, because I have done the same things with my files

MikieMikie
Jan 8, 2008, 07:04 AM
I am sure that if you are far enough away from your TV they'll look fine. I'd recommend the following:
1. If your TV is larger than 11", consider re-encoding.
2. If your TV is smaller than 11", it might be okay if you sit, say, 10 to 15 feet away.

Seriously, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. On a 57" set, from 14' away, I cannot watch iPod quality encodes without cringing, thinking all the while, "when will this torture be finished? What more does The Steve expect of me?"

I refer you to a recent thread here about a gentlemen who purchased an AppleTV, saw some purchased content off of the ITMS, and then wanted to return it. Beauty (as well as pixel density) is in the eye of the beholder... etc.

YMMV.

WildPalms
Jan 8, 2008, 07:06 AM
I am sure that if you are far enough away from your TV they'll look fine. I'd recommend the following:
1. If your TV is larger than 11", consider re-encoding.
2. If your TV is smaller than 11", it might be okay if you sit, say, 10 to 15 feet away.

Seriously, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. On a 57" set, from 14' away, I cannot watch iPod quality encodes without cringing, thinking all the while, "when will this torture be finished? What more does The Steve expect of me?"

I refer you to a recent thread here about a gentlemen who purchased an AppleTV, saw some purchased content off of the ITMS, and then wanted to return it. Beauty (as well as pixel density) is in the eye of the beholder... etc.

YMMV.


....Did you mean to print 11" (inches)??!!?

wPod
Jan 8, 2008, 12:00 PM
Seriously, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. On a 57" set, from 14' away, I cannot watch iPod quality encodes without cringing, thinking all the while, "when will this torture be finished? What more does The Steve expect of me?"


I think it is definitely personal preference. I encode all of my movies at iPod quality so i can occasionally watch them on my iPod. My :apple:TV is connected to a standard def 32" TV. I occasionally in action heavy scenes notice some pixeling, but it really doesnt bother me. Then again i have a standard def TV so I am not the most concerned about the quality. I really am not too concerned about seeing the pores on the face of some actor in a movie. so you should ask yourself how much the quality will bother you. some people think its torture, some could not care less.

MikieMikie
Jan 8, 2008, 12:49 PM
....Did you mean to print 11" (inches)??!!?

Yes, I just forgot to turn on the sarcasm alert.

MikieMikie
Jan 8, 2008, 12:51 PM
I think it is definitely personal preference. I encode all of my movies at iPod quality so i can occasionally watch them on my iPod. My :apple:TV is connected to a standard def 32" TV. I occasionally in action heavy scenes notice some pixeling, but it really doesnt bother me. Then again i have a standard def TV so I am not the most concerned about the quality. I really am not too concerned about seeing the pores on the face of some actor in a movie. so you should ask yourself how much the quality will bother you. some people think its torture, some could not care less.

The idea isn't to count pores -- it's to see things (all things) with a crisp clarity. Zooming in on pores is left to "directors" like Joel Schumaker (sp?)

tdhurst
Jan 8, 2008, 02:18 PM
....Did you mean to print 11" (inches)??!!?

Of course he did. 11" AROUND.

peeaanuut
Jan 8, 2008, 02:50 PM
I encode everything using the AppleTV setting and it looks fine on the aTV, iPhone, iPod. Saves me encoding several times.

tdhurst
Jan 8, 2008, 03:03 PM
I encode everything using the AppleTV setting and it looks fine on the aTV, iPhone, iPod. Saves me encoding several times.

I thought movies with an aspect ratio encoded for the apple tv couldn't be played on an iPod (720, not 640).

Am I mistaken?

NightStorm
Jan 8, 2008, 03:52 PM
I thought movies with an aspect ratio encoded for the apple tv couldn't be played on an iPod (720, not 640).

Am I mistaken?
All of my widescreen encodes are 720-wide and playback fine on my iPhone.

tdhurst
Jan 8, 2008, 04:02 PM
All of my widescreen encodes are 720-wide and playback fine on my iPhone.

What's the approximate size for a half hour or hour show?

NightStorm
Jan 8, 2008, 04:12 PM
What's the approximate size for a half hour or hour show?
That's dependent on the bitrate used, not the resolution. I typically encode TV shows at 1500kbps (audio = 160kbps), which gives me ~250-280MB for a 21-minute show (1/2 hour w/o commercials).

The resulting file looks great on my iPhone and pretty good on my AppleTV.

tdhurst
Jan 8, 2008, 04:24 PM
That's dependent on the bitrate used, not the resolution. I typically encode TV shows at 1500kbps (audio = 160kbps), which gives me ~250-280MB for a 21-minute show (1/2 hour w/o commercials).

The resulting file looks great on my iPhone and pretty good on my AppleTV.

Nice.

I ask because I encode my videos for use with my video iPod, which is connected to a 32" LCD TV. I can't wait until that thing breaks and I can spring for an apple tv.

Anyway, I appreciate the help.

Phippster
Jan 8, 2008, 04:53 PM
This is a great question. I see that someone claims that the AppleTV encodings he's done work for both his AppleTV and iPhone. However, I have not had the same success. The movies I've converted with Handbrake using it's AppleTV settings don't work on my iphone. I would love the "perfect" conversion that would give a single file that would play as "best quality as possible" on my 42" LCD via AppleTV as well as play well with my iPhone. Any hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.

NightStorm
Jan 8, 2008, 04:57 PM
This is a great question. I see that someone claims that the AppleTV encodings he's done work for both his AppleTV and iPhone. However, I have not had the same success. The movies I've converted with Handbrake using it's AppleTV settings don't work on my iphone. I would love the "perfect" conversion that would give a single file that would play as "best quality as possible" on my 42" LCD via AppleTV as well as play well with my iPhone. Any hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.
If you encoded using the AppleTV preset, it is not compatible with the iPhone.

slu
Jan 8, 2008, 05:05 PM
This is a great question. I see that someone claims that the AppleTV encodings he's done work for both his AppleTV and iPhone. However, I have not had the same success. The movies I've converted with Handbrake using it's AppleTV settings don't work on my iphone. I would love the "perfect" conversion that would give a single file that would play as "best quality as possible" on my 42" LCD via AppleTV as well as play well with my iPhone. Any hints or tips would be greatly appreciated.

Your only option, using presets in Handbrake, for encoding a file that will play on an iPod, iPhone, and AppleTV is the iPod High-Rez (or Low-Rez) preset. The AppleTV preset will NOT play on an iPod or iPhone.

In my opinion, the quality of the High-Rez video is great on an iPod and very good on my 37 inch HDTV. It is slightly worse than DVD quality. I have noticed that for some content, it is important to turn on Deinterlacing in Handbrake for best quality though. You can see the difference in the screen samples in the picture settings.

peeaanuut
Jan 8, 2008, 05:48 PM
I would like to clarify. Most of my encoding is done in visual hub at the appletv setting just under go nuts. But I have ripped a DVD in handbrake and can play it on my appletv iPod 5g nano and iPhone. It was ripped using the apple tv setting.

NightStorm
Jan 8, 2008, 07:00 PM
I would like to clarify. Most of my encoding is done in visual hub at the appletv setting just under go nuts. But I have ripped a DVD in handbrake and can play it on my appletv iPod 5g nano and iPhone. It was ripped using the apple tv setting.
I'm sorry, but using the AppleTV preset in Handbrake will generate an incompatible file with an iPod/iPhone. It uses advanced x264 options that are not supported by the portable devices.

peeaanuut
Jan 8, 2008, 07:10 PM
it appears in this case that it works just fine. YMMV.

Lebowski
Jan 8, 2008, 07:34 PM
i have always used handbrake to rip to the ipod preset.

i would rather have a slightly lower res file that will easily play on all of my various devices (iPhone, iPod, appleTV...) than a higher res file that will need to be converted to play on the phone or pod.

Not to mention i kind of look at the appleTV as a "convenience device", not a high quality playback option. If i want high quality, i drop the DVD in the player (99% of my rips are from my own collection of 1000+ dvds). Its just nice to be able to quickly switch from tv show seasons, to movies, to music without hunting for discs, changing sources etc...

it would be nice if there was an easy way to rip to full quality, with a relatively small file size and have it support 2 channel and 5.1. Apple should have a cross platform standard for video standards (what works on one video device should work on all). Unfortunately, that isnt an option right now.

btw- i have my appleTV connected to a 57" Sony HD rear projection CRT. Like stated above, quality is decent most of the time, but fast action can digitize up a bit. not bad though.

Divindude
Jan 8, 2008, 10:24 PM
I use the ipod hi-res with the 2-pass encoding. I then increase the screen size to the maximum without changing the aspect ratio. The two pass encoding takes quite a bit of time, but turns out superior looking video that works on my appletv (using 1080i), iphone, new ipod nano and my ps-3. Having a single file that looks pretty good on all of those works well for me :)

kagharaht
Jan 9, 2008, 01:35 AM
I use the ipod hi-res with the 2-pass encoding. I then increase the screen size to the maximum without changing the aspect ratio. The two pass encoding takes quite a bit of time, but turns out superior looking video that works on my appletv (using 1080i), iphone, new ipod nano and my ps-3. Having a single file that looks pretty good on all of those works well for me :)

Here is what I'll be doing. I'm ripping two versions. One for Apple TV setting/Anamorphic/2Pass/1700 to 1800 kbs/DPLII sound/Forced subtitles. My Onkyo has DPLIIx which outputs to 7.1 surround sound.

Tried it on the current AppleTV I borrowed and I swear, the image is so close to DVD quality at 1080i, that I have to look closely to see the differences. This is on my Sony 42" HDTV screen.

For audio, DPLII is a must for now to get decent surround sound. Stereo just won't cut it. DPLIIx takes full advantage of DPLII and gives awesome sound and amazing bass even without the dedicated .1 channel from the DPLII track.

Then I will do a second batch optimized for iPhone only. The file size are around 400 to 500 MB @ 320x240 and they look amazing on the iPhone. I will tag these as TV shows to keep it out of the move folder in iTunes and add " - iPhone".

MikieMikie
Jan 9, 2008, 06:00 AM
it appears in this case that it works just fine. YMMV.

peeaanuut, not to jump in and pile on, here, but Your Mileage Will NOT Vary.

Encoding in Handbrake with AppleTV settings will ALWAYS result in a file that is incompatible with iPods and iPhones.

peeaanuut
Jan 9, 2008, 09:44 AM
I would apologize about the wrong information. I had not used handbrake for a while (back when I first got my aTV I used it alot) and I could have sworn I used the aTV setting. I ran a rip last night just to make sure I was correct and it turns out I was wrong. So I apologize about that. I know for a fact that I use the aTV setting in visualhub and it does work on the iPhone. Sorry about that. :o

tdhurst
Jan 9, 2008, 09:57 AM
Cool. I use visual hub (to convert AVIs), so that's good information.

Does anyone know if the "All" setting on Visual Hub is better/worse than the AppleTV setting?

Little Newton
Jan 10, 2008, 10:00 PM
Well he is not wrong. If you avoid the anamorphic settings with Handbrake the AppleTV will transfer and play on my iPod Classic.

peeaanuut, not to jump in and pile on, here, but Your Mileage Will NOT Vary.

Encoding in Handbrake with AppleTV settings will ALWAYS result in a file that is incompatible with iPods and iPhones.

NightStorm
Jan 10, 2008, 10:14 PM
I'm afraid he (and you) are wrong. Handbrake uses 'x264 (h.264 main)', anamorphic encoding, and b-frames when you use the AppleTV preset -- all of which are not compatible with any current iPod hardware.

peeaanuut
Jan 10, 2008, 11:05 PM
What does this option do that is in the appleTV setting of handbrake?

peeaanuut
Jan 10, 2008, 11:06 PM
I'm afraid he (and you) are wrong. Handbrake uses 'x264 (h.264 main)', anamorphic encoding, and b-frames when you use the AppleTV preset -- all of which are not compatible with any current iPod hardware.

I use the H.264 option in Visualhub and it plays on ipods and iPhones.

NightStorm
Jan 10, 2008, 11:13 PM
I use the H.264 option in Visualhub and it plays on ipods and iPhones.

I never said anything about not being able to use h.264 with an ipod or iphone; it's the preferred video codec. I just said that you cannot use the default AppleTV preset (which uses the options I listed above) and expect it to work with the iPod.

peeaanuut
Jan 10, 2008, 11:22 PM
I never said anything about not being able to use h.264 with an ipod or iphone; it's the preferred video codec. I just said that you cannot use the default AppleTV preset (which uses the options I listed above) and expect it to work with the iPod.

It was in your list and I was simply stating that the H.264 has nothing to do with it.