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MacRumors
Jan 14, 2008, 06:13 AM
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As the keynote approaches, it seems increasingly likely that Apple will be releasing a slim notebook at Macworld. We've heard more confirmations that the notebook will be called the 'Macbook Air' despite a significant amount of disbelief surrounding the product name.

For Apple to launch an extremely slim MacBook laptop, however, there are a few design considerations that should be recognized. With the reported removal (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/31/apple-sub-notebook-hints-external-optical-drive-multitouch-trackpad/) of the optical drive from the body of the machine, it seems clear that Apple is interested in slimming down the laptop as much as possible. In creating a super-slim laptop, there are a few other components that become size-limiting.

While there has been much talk about the move to Solid State (Flash) based drives, these drives carry a significant premium over traditional hard drives. Apple uses 2.5" SATA hard drives in their current MacBooks. Regardless of type of drive used, moving to a 1.8" form factor would be necessary to slim down the laptop further. Apple has a significant amount of experience with the use of these 1.8" drives which are used in the hard drive based iPods. Of note, Samsung's recently announced (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/21/samsung-announces-160gb-1-8-hard-drive/) 1.8" 160GB drive has started shipping (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/industries/technology/article/samsungs-highcapacity-18-hard-disk-drives-mobile-ce-devices-shipping_424804_12.html) this past week for only $199.

Another size constraint would be the Ethernet jack on the laptop itself. We learned that Apple had been exploring this issue through a published patent application (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/16/ultraportable-connecting-system/) that explored the possibility of collapsable external ports. Other manufacturers of thin laptops have used ethernet-usb dongle to avoid housing the ethernet jack on the laptop itself. Similarly, Apple would have to include an attachable ethernet adapter, if their collapsable connectors never graduated from the research lab.

Apple is rumored to be releasing a new slim MacBook at Macworld San Francisco. User conferences begin on January 14th, but the keynote kicks off on January 15th at 9am. We'll have live coverage at MacRumorsLive.com (http://www.macrumorslive.com) and extended floor coverage at macrumors.com/mwsf (http://www.macrumors.com/mwsf/).

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/14/macbook-air-design-considerations/)



aswitcher
Jan 14, 2008, 06:16 AM
Mini DVI not DVI?

HDMI a possible replacement for DVI?

FW 400 will stay - this thing needs to boot into target disk mode to allow an external DVD drive with leopard to reinstall when there are issues.

jacktiernan
Jan 14, 2008, 06:17 AM
Aaaaw, stop it! You're getting me soooooooooo excited :D

Nice little article, can't wait...... only 28 hours to go!

derrickearl
Jan 14, 2008, 06:19 AM
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VicMacs
Jan 14, 2008, 06:21 AM
oh I'm so getting one

make that 2

takao
Jan 14, 2008, 06:23 AM
hm removing the optical for sure would mean in some regards some size advantage .. the question regarding the 1.8" drives is more on the point of speed ... anybody knows the speeds those drives can get ?

... sure a laptop with both: a small solid state drive for operating system and a 1.8" for the files used as combination might be a solution thoug hthe space saved then wouldn't be as big

on collapsable ports ... i wouldn't be so sure about that .. seems to be more of a hassle mechanically and more prone to break to be really worth it.. put the ethernet jack on a usb dongle and as said you might achieve the same result in heigth reduction

goldenlotus
Jan 14, 2008, 06:24 AM
This is almost as good as the iphone rumors last year. I'm excited!

derrickearl
Jan 14, 2008, 06:25 AM
The laptop would use Bluetooth, WiFi for communication, and have a USB and iPod style connector. Power can carried from the iPod style connector. A power button is on right side, further simplifying the keyboard area. The keyboard and much of the design cues would come from the new keyboards.

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 06:25 AM
Mini DVI not DVI?

HDMI a possible replacement for DVI?

FW 400 will stay - this thing needs to boot into target disk mode to allow an external DVD drive with leopard to reinstall when there are issues.

On Intel Macs, the FW400 TG issue can be accomplished with USB2, which has a smaller footprint and more ideally suited to a thin(ner) notebook.

Kolind
Jan 14, 2008, 06:26 AM
Is it possible that Apple would get rid of the ethernet port? They were the first to do it with floppy drives, they've dropped the laptop-modems, it seems they are getting rid of the optical drive too - so is it too far fetched that they get rid of the ethernet port and rely on wireless?

I don't think they'll do it (yet), but I wouldn't be surprised either.

Just my 2 ører (Danish currency :p)

bigandy
Jan 14, 2008, 06:27 AM
On Intel Macs, the FW400 TG issue can be accomplished with USB2, which has a smaller footprint and more ideally suited to a thin(ner) notebook.

...however FW400 being removed from this new mac would stop many serious potential suitors from forking out the cash. i'd certainly think twice about a Mac without firewire.

backspinner
Jan 14, 2008, 06:30 AM
For my work I really need an ethernet port, but not all the time. If carrying an ethernet cable is acceptable, carrying a USB dongle for these occasions is as well.

nomad01
Jan 14, 2008, 06:30 AM
hm removing the optical for sure would mean in some regards some size advantage .. the question regarding the 1.8" drives is more on the point of speed ... anybody knows the speeds those drives can get ?

I'm presuming there will be some performance compromises with something this small. However, if it's more portable than my Macbook I would definitely be in the market for it. I've wanted a small MacOS machine for AGES. When I first returned to Macs years ago it was a choice between a Sony VAIO or a 12" Powerbook. I plumped (thankfully!) for the Powerbook.

Fingers crossed for a compact, reasonably priced Macbook "nano". :-)

dobbin
Jan 14, 2008, 06:30 AM
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Another size constraint would be the Ethernet jack on the laptop itself. We learned that Apple had been exploring this issue through a published patent application (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/16/ultraportable-connecting-system/) that explored the possibility of collapsable external ports. Other manufacturers of thin laptops have used ethernet-usb dongle to avoid housing the ethernet jack on the laptop itself. Similarly, Apple would have to include an attachable ethernet adapter, if their collapsable connectors never graduated from the research lab.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/14/macbook-air-design-considerations/)


I've never used the ethernet port on my iBook - surely almost everyone uses wireless these days? Maybe Apple could develop a new "mini-ethernet" port and then use a converter-dongle for the rare occaisions that it's needed?

brop52
Jan 14, 2008, 06:30 AM
Firewire not on a Mac is blasphemy...

derrickearl
Jan 14, 2008, 06:32 AM
...however FW400 being removed from this new mac would stop many serious potential suitors from forking out the cash. i'd certainly think twice about a Mac without firewire.

How many of those new iPod/PC users that have yet to convert to Mac have Firewire products? This is a perfect product to show users how streamlined Apple can be and pull off an interface and industrial design that makes them forget about how things use to be.

Hold on let me save a copy of this thread on a floppy...

icrew
Jan 14, 2008, 06:34 AM
If apple needed something smaller than a standard ethernet port, I don't know why they wouldn't just license the X-Jack connector. It's very small, and totally proven technology. See http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/x/xjack.htm for details.

edesignuk
Jan 14, 2008, 06:34 AM
If this is to happen, I'm not too worried about the speed of a little 1.8" drive or lack of firewire/ethernet ports, separate video card etc. Using SSD storage will just send the price sky rocketing, and i for one can quite live without it for a laptop of this sort.

The soul focus of this design should be about form. Chances are it'll only be rocking a low voltage CPU, it's not designed to be any sort of work horse. So what if the drive is a bit slow? Crappy shared video? For surfing the web and doing emails it doesn't make any difference. Same with Firewire, who cares? No one is going to be editing video on this thing, and if you want an external drive USB2 is up to the job.

It just needs to be small and light, oh, and at a good price. The actual hardware specs aren't all that important, just so long as it can run Leopard half decently.

ebfoxbat
Jan 14, 2008, 06:35 AM
Let me be the first to say that a wireless laptop would suck.

Do you want to lug around an induction pad with you everywhere you go? It's one thing to have an induction-supporting desk. Some type of standard, then you can toss your laptop, cell, etc. on it.

It's a whole new ballgame when you depend on it. Now...

If the Air has a Mag-Safe connector and the pad uses a traditional Mag-Safe connection then you'd be OK: you could use it as you would a normal laptop while on the road.

Which leads me to my next point. Perhaps Apple is announcing an Induction Charging Standard for all of their products henceforth. One could have an iInduction desk and just toss your iPod, iPhone 2.0, MacBook Air, iWatch, et al on it to charge.

kungming2
Jan 14, 2008, 06:35 AM
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A bit on the chunky side, this one is.

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 06:36 AM
...however FW400 being removed from this new mac would stop many serious potential suitors from forking out the cash. i'd certainly think twice about a Mac without firewire.

On a sub-notebook I don't excluding FW would be a major disadvantage. It's a sub-notebook after all.

Malcster
Jan 14, 2008, 06:36 AM
Whilst fine for iPods and PDA's im pretty sure the performance of the 1.8" drives is simply nowhere near good enough for a full blown computer..

Consider Spotlight indexing, swap partitions etc, im sure it would be a serious bottleneck.

edesignuk
Jan 14, 2008, 06:37 AM
Whilst fine for iPods and PDA's im pretty sure the performance of the 1.8" drives is simply nowhere near good enough for a full blown computer.. IBM have used them for years in their tiny X series laptops.

nickane
Jan 14, 2008, 06:38 AM
Collapsible ports patent looked flimsy. No matter how well this is implemented it doesn't seem as convenient as having the ports behind the hinge. Most likely to me seems an optional USB dongle as ethernet is really uncommon nowadays and wouldn't make sense for a device of this type.

A minute ago, we were all talking about induction charging... Who wants an ethernet port?

eastcoastsurfer
Jan 14, 2008, 06:38 AM
I've never used the ethernet port on my iBook - surely almost everyone uses wireless these days?

Except in the business world. Many companies don't have onsite wireless (or it's very firewalled) b/c of the security issues. Getting rid of the ethernet jack would make this machine even less useful for many business users (lack of docking stations are already a negative in this area).

wavelayer
Jan 14, 2008, 06:39 AM
I just hope it's radically different and not just a slimmed down Macbook.
There is a lot of potential for a truly unique ultra portable computer here.

ebfoxbat
Jan 14, 2008, 06:39 AM
I think you'd be more likely to see a device with Flash chips as part of the logic board than a 2.5" SSD. The device would be treated like an iPhone, replaced entirely should something go wrong.

The benefit to Apple is two-fold. First, you'll have a much smaller profile. Second, you can purchase NAND chips much cheaper then pre-packaged SSDs (plus Apple has a bunker full of them).

As for the connectors. I think you're likely to have nothing but an HDMI (or mini-DVI) port, 2 USB ports, and a new proprietary dock connector. The logic being that you'll bring your dock with you on the road for a long-trip.

BornAgainMac
Jan 14, 2008, 06:41 AM
No tablet but I can see room for this Macbook Air to exist if a tablet does ever ship. Intel is probably happy. HP/Dell/Gateway just are not up to the task to show Intel's vision of how their processors can be used.

Wild-Bill
Jan 14, 2008, 06:42 AM
We've heard more confirmations that the notebook will be called the 'Macbook Air' despite a significant amount of disbelief surrounding the product name.

The 'disbelief' involved here is trying to fathom why Apple would choose such a terrible, terrible name.

"MacBook Air" is a horrible name. Someone needs to take the peyote away from Schiller. :rolleyes:

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 06:42 AM
Maybe to solve the port issue. The actual notebook will only have a few USB2 ports on it and an iPod connector on the back. This will allow the notebook to attach to a Dock which in turn will have a full set of ports, including the Ethernet. Afterall the only use for ethernet will be when your in an office or at a desk, hence then, you would have a Dock ready.;)

D*I*S_Frontman
Jan 14, 2008, 06:43 AM
As far as FW400, couldn't one use the smaller format plug, a la FW400/iLink camcorders? Include such a cable, or an adapter for use with standard FW400 cabling?

illitrate23
Jan 14, 2008, 06:44 AM
Let me be the first to say that a wireless laptop would suck.
Do you want to lug around an induction pad with you everywhere you go? It's one thing to have an induction-supporting desk. Some type of standard, then you can toss your laptop, cell, etc. on it.
wtf? where does it say the machine will be induction powered?

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 06:45 AM
As far as FW400, couldn't one use the smaller format plug, a la FW400/iLink camcorders? Include such a cable, or an adapter for use with standard FW400 cabling?

The smaller 4-pin FW only carries data not power as well, so you wouldn't be able to use with a host-powered external hard drive, which is what you are going to have if your using a sub-notebook isn't it?

Abstract
Jan 14, 2008, 06:51 AM
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Put the ethernet port through the side of the LCD's hinge. On one side, there's a power button (as shown in the drawing above). On the other side, there could be an ethernet port. It'll be the only other place on the laptop "fat" enough to have one.

The other alternative is a tray. If you make a laptop too thin for FW and ethernet, make a small tray that pops out from the side of the laptop, and allow for an ethernet cable and/or FW cable to plug into it vertically downwards. It'll look like you were plugging it into the top of the table itself, except it'll be into a little pop-out tray from the laptop.

It would look fugly, but may work. :o

ebfoxbat
Jan 14, 2008, 06:52 AM
wtf? where does it say the machine will be induction powered?

Here: http://www.9to5mac.com/macbook-air-2453564654
Here: http://www.macpredictions.com/2008/01/macbook-air-sub-notebook-with-no-cables.html

What would you suggest the Air refers to. Most are insinuating it'll be induction charging. I'm saying 'no way.'

TheSpecialist
Jan 14, 2008, 06:52 AM
Cant wait till tomorrow!

James Craner
Jan 14, 2008, 07:01 AM
I believe the issue here is that Apple is very likely to use flash memory rather than a hard disk for the Macbook Air. It will therefore only come with say 32 or 64GB of disk space. Hence the requirement to use wireless networking to stream music and video and files from a server, and this is why i think it is called MacBook 'Air' . It is not meant to be a pro machine , but something very light and portable with extended battery life. Also there were rumors of a iMac like docking station where the notebook could fit into that uses the screen of the notebook. This could mean a clever hinge or even a Mac tablet with a touch screen interface. I really don't think it is simply just a thinner notebook.

however who knows - we will find out tomorrow.

bigandy
Jan 14, 2008, 07:02 AM
I'm also going to be pissed if it gets so thin that they have a non user replaceable battery :eek:

How many of those new iPod/PC users that have yet to convert to Mac have Firewire products? This is a perfect product to show users how streamlined Apple can be and pull off an interface and industrial design that makes them forget about how things use to be.

Hold on let me save a copy of this thread on a floppy...

You do realise Firewire isn't just for old iPods, right? I loved the idea of this new MacBook, because before all this stuff came out it was wishful thinking about a more portable Pro, with decent graphics and all. Mmmm, I thought - FCP, Motion, Shake, whatever on a tiny machine. I need Firewire. USB2 is just too freaking slow. Same goes for lots of people who buy the Pro lines for their grunt, not because 'they look pretty in the shop'. Ask pro photographers, anyone who deals with DV, HDV upwards towards pro video formats, and further, loads of audio people, etc etc and they'll all swear by Firewire.

MacBoobsPro
Jan 14, 2008, 07:03 AM
I've never used the ethernet port on my iBook - surely almost everyone uses wireless these days? Maybe Apple could develop a new "mini-ethernet" port and then use a converter-dongle for the rare occaisions that it's needed?

Maybe it has no ethernet port and to avoid pissing people off they make it sound like a good thing by calling it 'Air' i.e. "theres no ports so use wireless, its built in."

Personally I dont use my ethernet port even though it is easily in reach of my cables and is technically faster than Airport.

With whiffs of an AirDrive too I wonder if this is the way of getting optical stuff onto your MacBookAir? Maybe its a wireless HD with an optical drive? Just a thought. It would work well for both wireless macs and the ATV. Stick your DVD in and it mounts on your MacBookAir? Maybe you could also watch DVDs on the ATV too?

I'll stop now, I'm dribbling! :D

alFR
Jan 14, 2008, 07:06 AM
Other manufacturers of thin laptops have used ethernet-usb dongle to avoid housing the ethernet jack on the laptop itself. Similarly, Apple would have to include an attachable ethernet adapter, if their collapsable connectors never graduated from the research lab.

No they wouldn't. Several ultraportables (e.g. Dell Latitude X1) are thinner than a MacBook and have a normal Ethernet jack.

ibwb
Jan 14, 2008, 07:07 AM
The 'disbelief' involved here is trying to fathom why Apple would choose such a terrible, terrible name.

"MacBook Air" is a horrible name. Someone needs to take the peyote away from Schiller. :rolleyes:

No worse than the "iPod photo" that didn't, you know, take photos. Sure it was the first iPod to display photos, but it's still a confusing name.

The most ridiculous aspect of all this is the talk about induction charging -- there's just no reason to even speculate on such a feature.

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 07:08 AM
I'm also going to be pissed if it gets so thin that they have a non user replaceable battery :eek:



You do realise Firewire isn't just for old iPods, right? I loved the idea of this new MacBook, because before all this stuff came out it was wishful thinking about a more portable Pro, with decent graphics and all. Mmmm, I thought - FCP, Motion, Shake, whatever on a tiny machine. I need Firewire. USB2 is just too freaking slow. Same goes for lots of people who buy the Pro lines for their grunt, not because 'they look pretty in the shop'. Ask pro photographers, anyone who deals with DV, HDV upwards towards pro video formats, and further, loads of audio people, etc etc and they'll all swear by Firewire.

You have valid points about FW. However you wouldn't run the likes of FCP, Motion, Shake, Aperture etc on the this new sub-notebook. I am sure Apple are not trying to target the Pro market with this new notebook. Thats what the MacBook Pro is for.

iBlue
Jan 14, 2008, 07:11 AM
The 'disbelief' involved here is trying to fathom why Apple would choose such a terrible, terrible name.

"MacBook Air" is a horrible name. Someone needs to take the peyote away from Schiller. :rolleyes:
Indeed, but since when do they care? MACBOOK is a stupid name. It's been a couple years and while I've gotten used to it, I still can't understand the choice.

KingScooty
Jan 14, 2008, 07:12 AM
The 'disbelief' involved here is trying to fathom why Apple would choose such a terrible, terrible name.

"MacBook Air" is a horrible name. Someone needs to take the peyote away from Schiller. :rolleyes:

Yeah, lol. Sounds like some kind of Nike shoe lol. :p

dernhelm
Jan 14, 2008, 07:12 AM
Except in the business world. Many companies don't have onsite wireless (or it's very firewalled) b/c of the security issues. Getting rid of the ethernet jack would make this machine even less useful for many business users (lack of docking stations are already a negative in this area).

Those many companies should hire IT people with a clue, then. I work in the medical industry, and believe me, it doesn't get a whole lot more regulated than we are (extreme HIPAA compliance, trade secretes, etc). We have wireless in all of our buildings all over the world that behaves just like you've plugged into an ethernet jack.

It can certainly be done, and in this day and age, more and more companies are doing it. We simply cannot afford to have to fly employees between offices in Europe and America, and not have them be able to access the network when they get there.

Powers
Jan 14, 2008, 07:17 AM
Plug the ultra thin DVD unit into wireless dock and watch the DVD anywhere in the home from the laptop WITHOUT WIRES.

All peripherals will (if you want) plug into a Wireless docking station, communication from the laptop with dock / all peripherals will be wireless.

This show is about media where you want it when you want it without wires:apple:

Ports will still be on the machine but include mini style adapters. The Air machine is very very thin!

Intarweb
Jan 14, 2008, 07:19 AM
Why is everyone debating about a firewire port? The port can be pretty small you know.

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thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 07:19 AM
Indeed, but since when do they care? MACBOOK is a stupid name. It's been a couple years and while I've gotten used to it, I still can't understand the choice.

Its a notebook and a Mac. What else would you call it?:confused:

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 07:20 AM
Why is everyone debating about a firewire port? The port can be pretty small you know.

The smaller 4-pin FW only carries data not power as well, so you wouldn't be able to use with a host-powered external hard drive, which is what you are going to have if your using a sub-notebook isn't it?

asrmatt
Jan 14, 2008, 07:20 AM
I'd love a small cool portable as this, but I must say I have HD size issues.
It's the first time in all these "Macbook Air" rumors that i read of a 160GB size.
Do you think it's really possible this ultra portable could have this size HD?
Or am I only dreaming?! :cool:

MacBoobsPro
Jan 14, 2008, 07:23 AM
Its a notebook and a Mac. What else would you call it?:confused:

BookMac?

Silicon Jedi
Jan 14, 2008, 07:24 AM
Although this type of connection is an easy to use solution and does not require an external cable or dongle to be connected to the card. If the user is not careful with the XJACK this piece can be easily broken off.

Yeah, this sounds PERFECT for a Mac. :rolleyes:

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 07:24 AM
BookMac?

Now thats just silly.:p

Mackan
Jan 14, 2008, 07:26 AM
IBM have used them for years in their tiny X series laptops.

I think they used it in their X40 series, and people could definatly feel that it was slow. They now use 2.5'' drives again in their latest X6x series.

maxink
Jan 14, 2008, 07:28 AM
Use existing technology. The ipod dock connectors have already come in usb and firewire flavors in the past. Why not just use the 30 pin dock connector on the device and use it for both usb and firewire?

GreyHare
Jan 14, 2008, 07:29 AM
I've never used the ethernet port on my iBook - surely almost everyone uses wireless these days?

I work at a defense research lab. We do everything we can wired. There are some WAPs near the conference rooms for visitors, but they get outside net access only, not even a DMZ. No telling how many Russkies are out there in the parking lot with a laptop and a Pringles can, I guess. Oh, yeah, we can't use BlueTooth either.

And, yes, Apple's penchant for putting a camera and microphone in everything causes us problems, too.

Those many companies should hire IT people with a clue, then.

Our security policy is dictated by federal agencies. No luck there.

The smaller 4-pin FW only carries data not power as well, so you wouldn't be able to use with a host-powered external hard drive, which is what you are going to have if your using a sub-notebook isn't it?

And drain the batteries faster? Plug in a brick for the external drive; most have a DC IN port.

As for the internal hard drive, what dictates the use of an existing form factor? The 1.8 inch standard was just to make it fit in PC Card slots. There are companies that sell chips that make regular flash chips look like SATA drives; Apple could build it into the motherboard that way.

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 07:33 AM
And drain the batteries faster? Plug in a brick for the external drive; most have a DC IN port.

What if your on the road and not near a power source? This new sub-notebook is meant to have extended battery life, so perfect if you need to run an external hard drive or an optical drive on the road.

miketcool
Jan 14, 2008, 07:33 AM
Use existing technology. The ipod dock connectors have already come in usb and firewire flavors in the past. Why not just use the 30 pin dock connector on the device and use it for both usb and firewire?

An Apple Co. laptop with an iPod Dock Connector. Somehow, I like it. After all, we can all guess correctly that this machine NEEDS a dock.

ictiosapiens
Jan 14, 2008, 07:34 AM
The dock could be totally independent, connecting itself to the airport, and accessible via the network. Transfer speeds would probably be a limiting factor.

I guess it could connect to the airport via usb port... Well, who knows, just brainstorming here...

Can't wait for tomorrow...

iBlue
Jan 14, 2008, 07:34 AM
Its a notebook and a Mac. What else would you call it?:confused:
I don't know. I just always thought it sounded very hokey and dumb.

At the end of the day, it is just a name. If the machine is good they can call it crapbook for all I really care.

masse
Jan 14, 2008, 07:39 AM
What about..

"Airbook"

sounds a lot better than macbook air. Puts it in a different category as well, separating it from the macbooks.

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 07:39 AM
I don't know. I just always thought it sounded very hokey and dumb.

I think most people thought it did at the time.

When SJ announced the first MacBook Pro he mentioned in his keynote the reason for the name changes. Due to the Intel transition, Mac hardware was now very similar to generic PC hardware. Apple wanted to have "Mac" in the name of their computers to differentiate them from the PC industry. At the time, machines like the iBook/PowerBook with an Intel chip wouldn't have said to you "Mac or Apple" So we had the MacBook Pro and later the MacBook.:cool:

iChan
Jan 14, 2008, 07:40 AM
Why is everyone debating about a firewire port? The port can be pretty small you know.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000165AS0.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

i hate 4-pin. no power.

Here: http://www.9to5mac.com/macbook-air-2453564654
Here: http://www.macpredictions.com/2008/01/macbook-air-sub-notebook-with-no-cables.html

What would you suggest the Air refers to. Most are insinuating it'll be induction charging. I'm saying 'no way.'

it would be great if apple built induction charging into the battery itself.
that means we can replace our macbook and MBP batteries with induction charging versions! dunno if this is even remotely possible though.

jacktiernan
Jan 14, 2008, 07:43 AM
The 'disbelief' involved here is trying to fathom why Apple would choose such a terrible, terrible name.

"MacBook Air" is a horrible name. Someone needs to take the peyote away from Schiller. :rolleyes:

Everyone seems so stuck on "macbook air", all because of that one google cache thing. I think "AirBook" is much more elegant and likely.

Not long til we'll know anyway. :)


EDIT: Aha, I see from the post above that I am not the only one thinking this.

iChan
Jan 14, 2008, 07:44 AM
What about..

"Airbook"

sounds a lot better than macbook air. Puts it in a different category as well, separating it from the macbooks.

apple want "mac" in all their product names.

if this product comes into fruition, my bets are on Macbook air or airMac.

GreyHare
Jan 14, 2008, 07:46 AM
What if your on the road and not near a power source?

One of these days, someone will make an external HD case with a battery to power it.

Personally, I'm surprised that someone hasn't added a Power-Over-Ethernet-like feature to Firewire. There are two differential twisted pairs; it would be the same thing. Maybe no room for the needed magnetics?

rabdan
Jan 14, 2008, 07:47 AM
here is why i think it is called air....
it has an ssd drive which is space limiting. so....

it is designed to use three elements that extend the storage-- wmax or 3g modem for always on, or extended data, backtomymac to access all data on a home mac, and the inclusion of a .mac account for storage.

elgato is coming out with eyetv 3.0 tomorrow and it will include a slingbox-like place shifting app so storage hungry video does not have to be on the unit itself.

the macair/macbookair/airmac-- whatever the heck it is called.... will be the first notebook designed to be a web2.0 device from the ground up.

keysersoze
Jan 14, 2008, 07:48 AM
What if your on the road and not near a power source?

Get yourself a crank. Duh. I mean, if the OLPC can do it, why not the 'Air Book Pro MacInteltosh?':p

Courtesy of http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/12/olpc-gets-cranky

thefunkymunky
Jan 14, 2008, 07:51 AM
Get yourself a crank. Duh. I mean, if the OLPC can do it, why not the 'Air Book Pro MacInteltosh?':p

Courtesy of http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/01/12/olpc-gets-cranky

Nice idea but no good if you wanted to travel light. Just you, your external hard drive and your new airMac.:p

Yebot
Jan 14, 2008, 07:52 AM
The problem with 1.8" drives is they're not designed to withstand constant writing and rewriting that would occur in a computer. As iPod doesn't tax the HD nearly as much.

Is anybody making a real non-Flash 1.8" laptop drive?

BillyShears
Jan 14, 2008, 07:54 AM
Was thinking the docking station might have a built-in hard drive for use with Time Machine. Also, while docked, the files could be written to the docking station's hard drive, thus saving wear and tear on your laptop's (probably irreplaceable) storage, and saving on write-time.

Also, I haven't really looked a MagSafe connection too closely, but it seems to me to be an ideal connector for a docking station. This also allows you to use a standard power adapter when away from your docking station.

Hattig
Jan 14, 2008, 08:03 AM
I don't see why Apple can't use a 2.5" hard drive (single platter). It's not like the MacBook Air is going to be small, it's only going to be slim and the removal of the optical drive will free up a lot of space.

As people mention, the biggest problem are the ports. USB is slim enough, even ExpressCard is slim enough. A standard Firewire port is pushing it however, and an Ethernet port is quite chunky.

Either the MacBook Air is thicker towards the back than the front (like a wedge) - this is how ultra-slim laptops have coped with this issue before. Or Apple will drop the ports but introduce a dock. Or they will do something else that's funky, looks good, works well but isn't conventional. Or there'll be a combo Firewire/Ethernet ExpressCard available if you need them.

Remember a lot of thinness could be from having a very thin display rather than a thin base, which could be just thick enough for the ethernet port and mini-DVI port.

bringbackduo
Jan 14, 2008, 08:08 AM
Just a thought.. could the cryptic message refer to the sixties song by Thunderclap Newman of the same title, which goes:

Call out the instigators
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here, and you know it's right.

gifford
Jan 14, 2008, 08:10 AM
Is it possible that Apple would get rid of the ethernet port? They were the first to do it with floppy drives, they've dropped the laptop-modems, it seems they are getting rid of the optical drive too - so is it too far fetched that they get rid of the ethernet port and rely on wireless?

I don't think they'll do it (yet), but I wouldn't be surprised either.

Just my 2 ører (Danish currency :p)

As long as it has wifi, then its no great loss, get rid of it IMO

ebfoxbat
Jan 14, 2008, 08:11 AM
What about..

"Airbook"

sounds a lot better than macbook air. Puts it in a different category as well, separating it from the macbooks.

Are you serious? Gag me with a spoon. Hopefully it's a tablet and not a notebook at all.

AirMac. Maybe the dock will be wireless. ethernet into the dock, wireless from the dock. some type of dedicated 802.11n that auto-pairs like the BT headset for the iphone.

solipsism
Jan 14, 2008, 08:11 AM
Apple has been making notebooks that hinge at the very back of the machine. If the hinge for the display is slightly forward then the back of the machine can be as thick as the entire thickness of the base and display when closed. This would the same amount of thickness—if not more—to mount all the typical ports along the back of the machine.

Or

Instead of placing the ports straight in the side, like we are used to, Apple could put them on the lower-back of the display so when the display is up the cables are running out the back perpendicular to the open display.

Grey Area
Jan 14, 2008, 08:16 AM
I think they used it in their X40 series, and people could definatly feel that it was slow. They now use 2.5'' drives again in their latest X6x series.

Indeed they do, and the X4* are heavily criticized for their drives on Thinkpad forums to this day - people who are looking for used X-type machines usually get the recommendation to buy an even older X3* so they won't have to suffer the slow disk. And the 1.8"-drive in the X4* was actually faster (4200rpm) than the more energy-conserving drive in the Ipod (3600rpm), so I really hope we won't get such a hard drive.

salmon
Jan 14, 2008, 08:16 AM
I just wanted to get a random guess in before the show. Unfortunately, I have no artistic talents or ability with photoshop, so I can't provide a mockup.

What about something between the tablet and the laptop? I've seen mockups for thin laptops with touchpad keyboards, but instead, try and picture this.


Two identical halves
each approximately 8" wide x 6" long
each is a touch display
the two fold apart like a regular laptop
it operates in two different modes - when partially open (in laptop mode), the lower display works as a touch keyboard
when fully open, the device auto-switches to tablet mode, and the whole device acts as a single screen.


It could utilize rare-earth magnet to make the opening/closing aspect nice and seamless. Not sure how the designers would handle the hinge line, but that's why Ives et. al. make the big bucks, right? :)

And they could put a mini-screen on the outside (like some cell phones have), so it could operate in iPod mode as well.

Anyone like this idea enough to try and make a mockup?

PS: And ideally, it would have a dual mode display - full colour and low power black and white (like the XO laptop), so it could work as an ebook reader, and the keyboard wouldn't be a large power drain. If Apple could do for ebooks what it did for digital music, that'd be fantastic.

sunfast
Jan 14, 2008, 08:17 AM
If ethernet went on a USB dongle I guess it would only be 10/100, no gigabit?

nickane
Jan 14, 2008, 08:17 AM
Its a notebook and a Mac. What else would you call it?:confused:

A Mactop. An elided name that suggests the superior integration of hardware and software that we associate with Macs (especially the notebooks, that seem to function better as a whole rather than as the sum of their components in a fancy chassis as with Windows machines) whilst putting a positive spin on the idea that you can either get a Personal Computer or a Mac by reapplying it as if it wasn't intentional by Apple's marketing dept (pretty sure it wasn't, since I've often read that Apple invented the PC).

dbwie
Jan 14, 2008, 08:18 AM
Having a superthin laptop is great, but it had better be durable and scratch resistant. Any speculation on the materials used for this laptop?

nickane
Jan 14, 2008, 08:21 AM
If ethernet went on a USB dongle I guess it would only be 10/100, no gigabit?

good point. For that reason alone, I would assume they wouldn't do that. Apple was Gig-E across the board for over a year before it bizarrely released the new Airport Extreme without it (which it has since updated - not sure what happened to early adopters).

nickane
Jan 14, 2008, 08:24 AM
The real problem with all the hinge ideas is that no one wants to unplug their ethernet cable every time they close their laptop.

I change my bid to ipod-like dock connector with seperate attachment that includes any ports that don't fit.

bobob
Jan 14, 2008, 08:25 AM
As to the name MacBookAir - I would suggest that although "Air" might be a great name for light shoes, that for computer products, using the homophone "Error" may prove to be just a little too tempting for pundits and critics...

EagerDragon
Jan 14, 2008, 08:25 AM
So this is just a set of design guesses that may or may not apply given that we do not know what materials Apple is using, nor do we know which patents they are using either.

Jocko
Jan 14, 2008, 08:31 AM
Is it possible that Apple would get rid of the ethernet port? They were the first to do it with floppy drives, they've dropped the laptop-modems, it seems they are getting rid of the optical drive too - so is it too far fetched that they get rid of the ethernet port and rely on wireless?I could definitely see them doing this. It's a totally Apple thing to do. It's a totally Apple time to do it. Plus it's about the only thing I can think of that would justify the name "Air." For those saying this wouldn't fly in the business world, most businesses DO have Wifi networks and for those that don't, Apple has other product offerings for purchase!

emotion
Jan 14, 2008, 08:31 AM
...however FW400 being removed from this new mac would stop many serious potential suitors from forking out the cash. i'd certainly think twice about a Mac without firewire.

Me included. It might rule out a lot of purchasers from the video, photographic and audio markets.


... sure a laptop with both: a small solid state drive for operating system and a 1.8" for the files used as combination might be a solution thoug hthe space saved then wouldn't be as big

Two types of storage used with ZFS perhaps?

I think the slim macbook (13" etc etc) and the Macbook Air could be two different products. The Air could be a small tablet that docs like the recent patent application perhaps, charging via inductance in that dock.

fastbite
Jan 14, 2008, 08:31 AM
I don't buy the injunction power, but I feel the philosophy would be to get rid of as much as possible, no connection of any type, nothing -- until it is docked, sort of like the iPhone or iPod.
The clever thing will be the dock and how it works.

Lepton
Jan 14, 2008, 08:42 AM
Standard iPod dock connector! Can be used for charging, video out, audio in/out... I don't know how many pins are still free, but maybe they can add Ethernet. Then they can sell us yet another specialized set of iPod cables!

Make this the only main connector on the device. OK, maybe add mini USB and headphones. "The device" being: Take a subnotebook. Take a saw. Saw it along the hinge and throw away the keyboard half, leaving only the ultra thin display top. Add multi-touch. If you want a keyboard and mouse, use the bluetooth ones. 32 or 64GB flash.

BillyShears
Jan 14, 2008, 08:44 AM
Induction is a bad idea.

Pros:

It looks seamless


Cons:

It wastes energy
You would have to carry around your charging station, not just a power adapter


As I said earlier, I think the MagSafe would make for a perfect docking connection, because you can easily connect and disconnect it.

ifirth
Jan 14, 2008, 08:46 AM
What about something between the tablet and the laptop? I've seen mockups for thin laptops with touchpad keyboards, but instead, try and picture this.


Two identical halves
each approximately 8" wide x 6" long
each is a touch display
the two fold apart like a regular laptop
it operates in two different modes - when partially open (in laptop mode), the lower display works as a touch keyboard
when fully open, the device auto-switches to tablet mode, and the whole device acts as a single screen.




I think this is bang on though I would go for 9" x 6" (widescreen), and the thing is wireless when away from a dock - having used an iPhone for a bit now I can't see them not using a touch pad somewhere. And I think form a look point of view... think iMac and iPhone - glass / black / and brushed aluminium.




As for a name... has anyone thought of Mac AirBook??? this fall into the Mac naming system and I think is snappier than MacBook Air IMHO or they could just keep the MacBook name and this is type of portable will be how all of the line will eventually end up

Marx55
Jan 14, 2008, 08:49 AM
A full handheld Mac OS X 10.5.1 computer is what is needed. And I mean full. But only about 5-inches or so.

emotion
Jan 14, 2008, 08:53 AM
Induction is a bad idea.


I agree. I'm not keen on the idea either. I might be persuaded by a very neat implementation though.

Dagless
Jan 14, 2008, 08:56 AM
My final prediction is-

12 or 13" LCD
80gb and 160gb drives (dependant on model)
All the usual stuff. 2xUSB, Firewire.
No optical drive (we can be sure of)

Basically I'm thinking a 12" PowerBook without the lower half.


Why is it called Air? I don't think it will be. It'll be Mac-something. Whether it be Book, Pad or Brochure is another matter.

fiftydollarshoe
Jan 14, 2008, 08:56 AM
A full handheld Mac OS X 10.5.1 computer is what is needed. And I mean full. But only about 5-inches or so.

How would you the the entire OS multi-touch....? can't happen.... too hard to use without a mouse.......... it will be scaled down.......

ts1973
Jan 14, 2008, 08:56 AM
I wonder where all these induction powered rumors are coming from, I know where they are posted, but who "invented" them ?

To be honest induction based power is good for a toothbrush (yes I own one of these) : it has a power requirement of a whole 2 (two !!) Watts (yes, I looked ;) ). Induction based power is only good for low power devices, like a toothbrush, or the magnetic field would just be too powerfull and it would have to be shielded pretty good inside some kind of connector, eliminating all advantages.

People thinking of transmitting any sort of real power, even by means of induction, through thin air would better think again : power means heat production - meaning you would get cooked slowly but very literally inside your own skin ;)

YoungCreative
Jan 14, 2008, 08:58 AM
Images of my old Duo are dancing through my head. I had a Duo back in the mid 1990s that got me through grad school. I never did buy a dock. I just used AppleTalk to connect to my PowerMac and I never really needed the floppy drive. A drive would have been handy at times, but the smaller laptop size was awesome. Fellow students were jealous of how much smaller my Duo was than their laptops.

That Duo seems so large right now! The "Air" would really bring out major laptop envy! Couple slim with WiFi and I can see a dream machine for most college students.

MacinJosh
Jan 14, 2008, 08:58 AM
Whatever the new laptop will be, I'm only buying it if the mass storage is flash based.

Joshua.

Mindflux
Jan 14, 2008, 08:59 AM
Whatever the new laptop will be, I'm only buying it if the mass storage is flash based.

Joshua.


Goodbye reasonable pricetag.

Palliser
Jan 14, 2008, 08:59 AM
I'm in... just got a Macbook last August and plan to go PC free in my home and will get the new "Macbook Air" or whatever it ends up being at the store this weekend. The new one is perfect as I travel a lot and want an ultra portable, although the Macbook is quite nice as well!

jhande
Jan 14, 2008, 09:00 AM
extended battery life.

This is the crux of the matter, as far as I'm concerned. If I can have a mini/micro/nano laptop, with speed compromises, that lasts a working day, I'll get it in a flash (no pun intended).

What I would fear is a gorgeous little power hog -- that would kill it for me.

OrangeCuse44
Jan 14, 2008, 09:03 AM
Everytime rumors build up and speculation is thrown around, Jobs always goes beyond our expectations. This will be an exciting keynote.

fiftydollarshoe
Jan 14, 2008, 09:03 AM
My final prediction is-

12 or 13" LCD
80gb and 160gb drives (dependant on model)
All the usual stuff. 2xUSB, Firewire.
No optical drive (we can be sure of)

Basically I'm thinking a 12" PowerBook without the lower half.


Why is it called Air? I don't think it will be. It'll be Mac-something. Whether it be Book, Pad or Brochure is another matter.

Those hard-drives will suck power... they will be flash.... and flash only...... what Jobs realises after iPhone is that as long as people have a base station PC/iMac they can take a portable with small hard-drives and don't need a CD/DVD drive if they can wirelessly connect back to the main PC...... why take the entire iTunes collection or all your documents when you can just drop into Starbucks and sync back over the net ? That’s where Air is coming from…. The ability as shown in the new version of Leopard to sync back to your MAIN PC…….. it will be a scaled down OSX and not the full version… why have everything if its just a portable ? you don’t need the entire thing… you really don’t…… if someone could be me an example of when they really need there entire PC and its contents on the go then I’ll stand down…….. I’ve seen entire departments work over CITRIX with zero apps on their PC’s….. you don’t need PC power or storage on a portable…..

MacinJosh
Jan 14, 2008, 09:03 AM
Goodbye reasonable pricetag.

Yeah. But maybe Apple can pull off a good deal from a manufacturer. And it doesn't have to be 300GB... 20-60GB is fine.

Joshua.

Andrmgic
Jan 14, 2008, 09:03 AM
(which it has since updated - not sure what happened to early adopters).

They got screwed, of course.

I didn't need gigabit ethernet anyway, the only devices close enough to the router to enjoy it are my video game consoles.

derrickearl
Jan 14, 2008, 09:04 AM
A bit on the chunky side, this one is.

About 5/8" thick

mixotic
Jan 14, 2008, 09:11 AM
MacBook Air Tablet with Dock
A 12.1" tablet computer with touch interface (iPod Touch on steroids). Dock creates a more traditional setup, with the docked machine sitting upright, screen exposed, directly in front of the user (very similar to a docked iPod/iPhone, but larger and horizontal?). Dock allows for peripheral device connection (USB, Firewire, Ethernet Ports, Monitor/HDTV) as well as wireless connectivity to devices connected to the dock when the tablet is being used undocked.

http://www.macplus.net/magplus/IMG/gif/050510_tablet_patent.gif

Apple TV 2
Now includes an (ultra?) Blu-ray/DVD/CD drive, can be used as an optical drive for other Macs in the house via the network. Also features iTunes rental service (duh).

dubhe
Jan 14, 2008, 09:14 AM
Those 160 GB drives are thicker than the 80 GB ones so it will have to be one of the other, but 80 GB would be enough for a portable. I also see there only being a couple of USB2 ports and some sort of hub for Ethernet and the like. How thick are those new Magsafe power ports? I'm still using a G4, are they as big as FW400?

Schnebar
Jan 14, 2008, 09:20 AM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2395/2190557903_b8a04ba09f_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2036/2176140681_74a0ee04e5_o.jpg

I like the on button in the circle thing but I also do not think it will have those ports on the side like the picture. Maybe it will have one USB and audio port under a flap on the other side. Like in the circle.

I think Apple will go for a clean look and have no exposed ports hence the name Air.

impierced
Jan 14, 2008, 09:20 AM
Everytime rumors build up and speculation is thrown around, Jobs always goes beyond our expectations. This will be an exciting keynote.

Yes, because "Flower Power" and "Blue Dalmatian" went above everyone's expectations. :rolleyes:

Often times it's just the opposite - rumors, speculation, and hype go way beyond current usable technology and our expectations can't possibly be met.

NYCMacFan
Jan 14, 2008, 09:21 AM
A rose by any other name is stlll a rose. Names can help a bit, but the product defines the what we think of the name too.

Ipod meant nothing to me, but with a revolutionary device, the names is great.

Look at car models and you will see a name doesn't save a flawed model and no one holds a name against a great car...

jwphllips2
Jan 14, 2008, 09:22 AM
When I got my little 12", I could run it all day long on one charge. I'm wondering about these issues. Is it now possible to recharge it from my cell phone? Is the keyless touchpad also a solar panel?

OrangeCuse44
Jan 14, 2008, 09:22 AM
Yes, because "Flower Power" and "Blue Dalmatian" went above everyone's expectations. :rolleyes:

Often times it's just the opposite - rumors, speculation, and hype go way beyond current usable technology and our expectations can't possibly be met.

Haha, well at least recently...

samarks
Jan 14, 2008, 09:23 AM
Apple WILL use flash memory. It is the next big thing in laptops and since they can't get there first, they will at least want to get there early. The idea of the Air is also to be an ancilliary portable to the desktop, not a desktop replacement.

They could use 1.8" drives, but it isn't sexy or forward looking.

Communication with the desktop is the big thing. The Air needs to be an extension of your desktop computer and communicate easily and seamlessly for the concept to work.

Ethernet dongles would be a disappointment. People always forget them.

A single dongle with muliple connectors for Ethernet, USB, Firewire, Audio might be a good compromise. Put all the connectors in one place.

Better be a 13" screen. 12" just doesn't cut it.

gotohamish
Jan 14, 2008, 09:26 AM
As to the name MacBookAir - I would suggest that although "Air" might be a great name for light shoes, that for computer products, using the homophone "Error" may prove to be just a little too tempting for pundits and critics...

I think "MacBook air" is as likely as "MacBook Air" - just as "nano" was force-lowercased. It works in tandem with the poster slogan too. I hope it's neither though!

sushi
Jan 14, 2008, 09:26 AM
Communication with the desktop is the big thing. The Air needs to be an extension of your desktop computer and communicate easily and seamlessly for the concept to work.
All Macs easily go into Target mode via FW.

I wonder if Apple will introduce a wireless version of Target mode?

Just thinking out loud. No data to support this idea.

fiftydollarshoe
Jan 14, 2008, 09:27 AM
Agree on all of that........ this isn't going to be another MacBook... its a new device......

Apple WILL use flash memory. It is the next big thing in laptops and since they can't get there first, they will at least want to get there early. The idea of the Air is also to be an ancilliary portable to the desktop, not a desktop replacement.

They could use 1.8" drives, but it isn't sexy or forward looking.

Communication with the desktop is the big thing. The Air needs to be an extension of your desktop computer and communicate easily and seamlessly for the concept to work.

Ethernet dongles would be a disappointment. People always forget them.

A single dongle with muliple connectors for Ethernet, USB, Firewire, Audio might be a good compromise. Put all the connectors in one place.

Better be a 13" screen. 12" just doesn't cut it.

gkarris
Jan 14, 2008, 09:27 AM
What's the deal with "collapsable" Ethernet ports?

At the office, most people with laptops don't even bother with the Ethernet port (even with a docking station). One less wire in the office.

It's wireless on the road, at their home, and in the office...

The Ethernet port is already obsolete, even on laptops that have them.

Nintendo with the Wii has started this trend...

Kennymacdaddy
Jan 14, 2008, 09:33 AM
Here: http://www.9to5mac.com/macbook-air-2453564654
Here: http://www.macpredictions.com/2008/01/macbook-air-sub-notebook-with-no-cables.html

What would you suggest the Air refers to. Most are insinuating it'll be induction charging. I'm saying 'no way.'

Does anyone think that "air" is reffering to Wi-max?

impierced
Jan 14, 2008, 09:36 AM
MacBook Air is a silly name, but I'm fairly confident that's what Apple will be going with.

Simply looking over the current product line and Apple's direction - or that of Ives really, it would seem that the current design theme is ... "thin". Remember the iMac commercial "You can't be too thin"? While MacBook Thin would be more descriptive, I'm sure the reasons for not selecting it are obvious.

Can't really call it he MacBook Mini either, as it apparently will be using a 13.3" screen and all this talk of it being a sub-notebook or an ultra-portable are a little misleading. While I'm sure others might disagree, a laptop with a 13+" screen just doesn't say small laptop to me.

So this leads me to wonder. What exactly is the market for this laptop? The 12" PowerBook market has been ignored for so long I do not believe Apple will ever be focusing on that demographic again. :(

meagain
Jan 14, 2008, 09:37 AM
My husband has the Toshiba Portage R500. Weighs 1.7 pounds. It's so lightweight - it's almost 'weird'. ZERO heat. Crap display (really bad!), cheezy mouse buttons. I want an Apple version of this. 13" screen. Doesn't have to be 1.7 pounds, I'd take up to 3. Would love multi-touch at least on a pad, but I'm trying not to be greedy.

In my perfect world, I'd love the display section to be like a giant iPhone (multi-touch) that detaches from the keyboard section at whim. Tablet AND traditional laptop.... like a winter coat that is reversable.

The more I think about it, the more I'm thinking multi-touch on a trackpad/keyboard area wouldn't be too hard to accomplish at this point. (I'm getting greedy again).

This last day before the keynote is going to be excruciating. I hope I don't make myself sick.

arkitect
Jan 14, 2008, 09:39 AM
MacBook Air is a silly name

MacBook
MacBook Pro
MacBook Air

I have no idea why people are going on and on saying it is a silly name… :confused:

jouster
Jan 14, 2008, 09:44 AM
good point. For that reason alone, I would assume they wouldn't do that. Apple was Gig-E across the board for over a year before it bizarrely released the new Airport Extreme without it (which it has since updated - not sure what happened to early adopters).

What always happens to them: bohica......

impierced
Jan 14, 2008, 09:44 AM
MacBook
MacBook Pro
MacBook Air

I have no idea why people are going on and on saying it is a silly name… :confused:

I think MacBook is stupid too. :eek::eek::eek:

However, as mentioned by many others - I've simply gotten used to it.

PowerBook --- now there was a name I could love. :D

jouster
Jan 14, 2008, 09:49 AM
A full handheld Mac OS X 10.5.1 computer is what is needed. And I mean full. But only about 5-inches or so.

As long as it doesn't use the desktop/laptop UI paradigm. The interface would need to be rewritten for such a device. The iPhone contrasted to the train wreck that is Windows CE proves this.

czeluff
Jan 14, 2008, 09:50 AM
If Firewire is removed, then it looks like you'll have to remove the Magsafe connector, because it's just too damn thick. *sarcasm*

Starting to sound like a pretty lame notebook that does not appeal to the masses, but rather, a niche.

cz

sunfast
Jan 14, 2008, 09:52 AM
How thick are those new Magsafe power ports? I'm
still using a G4, are they as big as FW400?

It just occurred to me that MagSafe has been with us for 2 years now! Anyway, they're a good bit smaller than FW400, especially in the direction that matters for an ultraportable

Mindflux
Jan 14, 2008, 09:53 AM
Starting to sound like a pretty lame notebook that does not appeal to the masses, but rather, a niche.

cz


Surprise! That's what Apple has always done.

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 09:55 AM
Sounds like this machine is going to be another POS like the iPhone. Hyped up teenagers with a lot of money on their hands will love it. Sensible users that know and remember the type of machines Apple once made in the past that truly competed with other manufacturers will be laughing uncontrollably.

Honestly though... a 1.8" conventional HDD in a laptop. Yeah... like 4200 rpm wasn't slow back in the early days of the iBook, now we are going to make a book with a 3600 rpm drive? :confused: WTFudge would Apple be thinking?

Touch screen and touch keyboards and touch interface..... WTFudge ever my friends. Give it a real keyboard to type on and leave the touch this and touch that to the high school mockup artists that don't do any real work. At least the hype isn't as annoying as the iPhone were people exchanged SSN so they could meet up and talk about how many iPhones they were going to buy.

I hope this slim MacBook is a real contender, and nothing like anyone is saying it is. Just give me a 13" or 12" widescreen slim MacBook Pro with dedicated GFX card, REAL 2.5" HDD or SSD (which I will gladly pay for!) and make the thing with a real keyboard and some kind of trackpad that just works.

Hurry it up Apple so you can start working on my redesigned 17" MacBook Pro.

sterno74
Jan 14, 2008, 09:58 AM
As for the connectors. I think you're likely to have nothing but an HDMI (or mini-DVI) port, 2 USB ports, and a new proprietary dock connector. The logic being that you'll bring your dock with you on the road for a long-trip.

Given the name "Air" I think their intention is to emphasize being wireless and, by and large, that makes sense. I suspect that the thickness of the device is going to be based around the USB ports. Any connector bigger than that will probably not exist (so agreeing that it's USB, maybe HDMI, and basic audio i/o jacks). Then, they can have a dock connector on the back if you need to get wired up.

The thing is, once you've crossed the threshold that you need Ethernet, then it's probably not much of a burden to require a docking station for it. I find myself wondering if they can come up with a kind of magsafe like connector for a docking station. Something where it just slides in without much effort and doesn't cause a lot of wear and tear on the connector. Anyhow, both the laptop and dock would readily fit into a laptop bag. Wireless is so prevalent, that it seems foolish to sacrifice laptop size when you can throw a USB dongle on there or dock it. It's not worth the extra weight.

I've got a MacBook currently and I have to say, if they come out with something crazy small for a reasonable price, I may look to ebay my old laptop and upgrade. I don't need a huge display on my laptop, and the smaller, the better for me. Probably wouldn't even need a dock since I've got 802.11n on my local network.

Virgil-TB2
Jan 14, 2008, 10:02 AM
How many of those new iPod/PC users that have yet to convert to Mac have Firewire products? This is a perfect product to show users how streamlined Apple can be and pull off an interface and industrial design that makes them forget about how things use to be.

Hold on let me save a copy of this thread on a floppy...This may sound reasonable but it flies in the face of FireWire's history.

Apple basically invented FireWire and has been promoting it ever since in almost every product they make. For them to give up on FireWire would be something they would telegraph to the users for years before it actually happened. They also would not do this without putting a replacement standard into the machines they make for a couple of years so people can change their peripherals and get used to the idea.

Firewire is currently as fast or faster in some situations than USB 2.0. The USB 3.0 spec will not be out for years and FireWire will likely have evolved by then also.

There is also no reason to remove it based on it's connector size. In both it's large and small connector configurations, it's basically the same size as USB. The Ethernet port is the big "stupid port" that needs to be shrunk on a mini laptop and that can be replaced by wireless.

The big question about ports on this hypothetical sub-notebook is not FireWire vs. USB, but whether or not they go with a funky collapsible Ethernet port, or whether they leave it off entirely and go wireless.

emotion
Jan 14, 2008, 10:03 AM
Sounds like this machine is going to be another POS like the iPhone.

You've clearly never owned one. Until you do then your comments look a little silly.

As for the other stuff you say. I think there's two products coming. Macbook Air (if it is that name) which is a dockable tablet and the small MBP that you'd like.

Only time will tell.

MagicWok
Jan 14, 2008, 10:05 AM
What's the deal with "collapsable" Ethernet ports?

At the office, most people with laptops don't even bother with the Ethernet port (even with a docking station). One less wire in the office.

It's wireless on the road, at their home, and in the office...

The Ethernet port is already obsolete, even on laptops that have them.

Nintendo with the Wii has started this trend...

The Ethernet port is FAR from obsolete (the need for it on an extreme ultraportable is not what I'm discussing here though). The max speed of the average wifi connection is still 54 Mbit/s. Wireless N (which is still to get final approval - twiddling thumbs takes a long time don't you know lol) only just allows users to go beyond 10/100 Lan - forget about Gigabit Lan for the time being. At the 'office', the ethernet port has never gone from the backbone of data transport from any of the small to very large companies I've worked with. Wireless just doesn't have the security and bandwith that a gigabit lan network provides, and will still be in place for a long time for workstations and dock profiles. In other words - you're just wrong :P If you want to transfer multiple gigabytes or even terabytes of data over wireless, even wireless N, then good luck to you - whatever takes your fancy.

The collapsable ports is a great idea, an ultra-portable with no visable ports would be dead sexy and very 'Apple'. A dongle you have to carry around is just not very 'Apple' at all. I bet Jobs hates the word 'dongle' just because of the way it sounds. I can't imagine PR saying: "A lovely brushed-aluminium donlge" lol.

Looking forward to this if it comes up, and to see what sort of innovations they come up with.

eastcoastsurfer
Jan 14, 2008, 10:06 AM
Those many companies should hire IT people with a clue, then. I work in the medical industry, and believe me, it doesn't get a whole lot more regulated than we are (extreme HIPAA compliance, trade secretes, etc). We have wireless in all of our buildings all over the world that behaves just like you've plugged into an ethernet jack.

It can certainly be done, and in this day and age, more and more companies are doing it. We simply cannot afford to have to fly employees between offices in Europe and America, and not have them be able to access the network when they get there.

IT security people with a clue know the problems with wireless security (ie. it doesn't exist!). I have friends who go to all of the conferences on IT security and they have watched people give presentations and hack any wireless connection in minutes. This is why the gov. still doesn't allow much in the way of wireless anywhere near their labs. Wireless connections are still too vulnerable to attacks.

Virgil-TB2
Jan 14, 2008, 10:07 AM
About 5/8" thickFrom what I have heard, by people who are seemingly in the know, it will be closer to 1.5 cm thick. :p

a456
Jan 14, 2008, 10:09 AM
The one thing that the "MacBook Air" needs to be is more iPhone than Palm Foleo - I hope that our memories are not too short to remember that disaster:

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/05/foleotop.jpg

The thing about subnotebooks and tablets is that logic dictates they should be desirable to all gadget lovers but the majority of people just don't need one, and this is a major hurdle to adoption. Let's hope that Apple can convince us otherwise by coming up with a solution that opens up a whole new way of doing things.

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 10:12 AM
You've clearly never owned one. Until you do then your comments look a little silly.

Please don't catch any feelings about my comment. It's what myself and a lot of other Apple users are saying. It has a glossy UI that is wonderful and years ahead of the competition, but it's a POS phone when you look at it for what it's worth. The fact that they don't have copy/paste is just the tip of the iceberg, then when you start going into the lack of phone as modem and AT&T's lack of insurance for the thing the desire to get the phone plummets. Most users are getting Windows Mobile phones, or putting up with the aging Palm OS, but at least those phone have real features.

I don't think there will be two slim devices. What Apple should be doing, and hopefully is going to do, is release an updated, redesigned MacBook Pro along with this slim book. Apple is behind in computer design, and now that PC makers are starting to understand that user don't want ugly black boxes anymore they are going to focus more on design, and they aren't doing a bad job so far.

Hopefully Apple sees this and changes the almost 5 year old design of the MacBook Pro and puts some real hardware in it for the pros, and not the "every man, average Joe" market.

The one thing that the "MacBook Air" needs to be is more iPhone than Palm Foleo - I hope that our memories are not too short to remember that disaster:

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/05/foleotop.jpg

The thing about subnotebooks and tablets is that logic dictates they should be desirable to all gadget lovers but the majority of people just don't need one, and this is a major hurdle to adoption. Let's hope that Apple can convince us otherwise by coming up with a solution that opens up a whole new way of doing things.

The words you speak are the truth. It makes me wonder how these CEOs can wake up in the morning and not know what the market they serve needs or desires for the future. The one thing I do like about Jobs is that he can understand that and either serve the market or change the way it's moving. The CEO of Palm wasted time and money on something that wasn't even asked for, and was served by the devices they already made. Instead of working on the Palm UI that is God awful and disgustingly old (even before what we saw in the iPhone) he spent it on making a crippled laptop.

I hope Jobs will produce a product that doesn't fall into the same slot as the Foleo, and isn't a hyped up toy like the iPhone.

Virgil-TB2
Jan 14, 2008, 10:18 AM
Yes, because "Flower Power" and "Blue Dalmatian" went above everyone's expectations. :rolleyes:
...Point taken, but in all fairness that was the same keynote that CD burners were added (they were fairly rare at the time), and iTunes was introduced for the first time wasn't it?

It wasn't that boring. :p

Virgil-TB2
Jan 14, 2008, 10:23 AM
The smaller 4-pin FW only carries data not power as well, so you wouldn't be able to use with a host-powered external hard drive, which is what you are going to have if your using a sub-notebook isn't it?Yes but ....

Even the "big" (powered) FireWire port would fit on an ultra-thin laptop.

The rumoured thickness of the thing is about 50% as thick as the old 12" PowerBook, or approximately 1.5 cm. If you divide that up into something typical like 1cm for the base and .5 cm for the screen, then a regular firewire port could easily exist on the side or the back of the base.

It's not a problem fitting FireWire on the thing at all.

They may choose to leave it off anyway, but there is no reason at all to think that because of size constraints that it would necessarily have to be left off.

PDubNYC
Jan 14, 2008, 10:25 AM
Those many companies should hire IT people with a clue, then. I work in the medical industry, and believe me, it doesn't get a whole lot more regulated than we are (extreme HIPAA compliance, trade secretes, etc). We have wireless in all of our buildings all over the world that behaves just like you've plugged into an ethernet jack.

It can certainly be done, and in this day and age, more and more companies are doing it. We simply cannot afford to have to fly employees between offices in Europe and America, and not have them be able to access the network when they get there.

Ya, most offices aren't wireless because the IT doesn't have a clue... I am sure it has nothing to do with the need to move massive graphics files around, and wireless is just far too slow. Glad it works for your company. It is not feasible for my company at this point, and many others, I am sure.

twoodcc
Jan 14, 2008, 10:29 AM
man, this thing is going to be hard to resist! :eek:

SwiftLives
Jan 14, 2008, 10:29 AM
I'm starting to suspect that the 'Macbook Air' is not so much a laptop as it is some sort of wireless docking station/pad/mechanism.

And perhaps new Macbook Pro machines will be designed to utilize it.

Or, it could be wishful thinking on my part.

gotohamish
Jan 14, 2008, 10:33 AM
Point taken, but in all fairness that was the same keynote that CD burners were added (they were fairly rare at the time), and iTunes was introduced for the first time wasn't it?

It wasn't that boring. :p

Actually i think Apple were very late to the party with CD burners in all machines, especially as standard configuration, and I remember they were heavily criticized for it.

emotion
Jan 14, 2008, 10:34 AM
Please don't catch any feelings about my comment. It's what myself and a lot of other Apple users are saying.

No feelings "caught". There's plenty of real users who took the leap of faith and bought one and realised the whole is a lot more than the sum of the parts (I agree that the raw specs don't look that neat).

Until you've used one as your handheld comms device it's unlikely you'll see what I, and many others, see in the device.

It's like trying to explain why I think OSX is better than Windows. It's a religious thing and no amount of banter between us will change that. However I've actually used both OSs extensively which is why I have that opinion.

Despite our difference of opinion I think I'm on safe ground by saying that only someone wanting a reaction would label the iPhone a POS. :D

whlteXbread
Jan 14, 2008, 10:38 AM
...The fact that they don't have copy/paste is just the tip of the iceberg, then when you start going into the lack of phone as modem and AT&T's lack of insurance for the thing the desire to get the phone plummets. Most users are getting Windows Mobile phones, or putting up with the aging Palm OS, but at least those phone have real features...

1. I can think of two times when I actually NEEDED copy/paste on my iPhone.

2. One word: AppleCare.

3. iPhone already has more (browser)share, and had more sales than Windows Mobile since it came out, enit?

As far as the multi-touch keyboard, there were stories on this very site about systems meant to raise the touch screen so you could "feel" the buttons, and tactile feedback isn't really a very hard problem either...

I kind of think the "air" might be a throw-off...but I kind of have a feeling they are going to be throwing some tough new 45 nm processors into the MacBooks....drooool (srsly though kids, you heard it here first)

LizKat
Jan 14, 2008, 10:40 AM
If Firewire is removed, then it looks like you'll have to remove the Magsafe connector, because it's just too damn thick. *sarcasm*

Starting to sound like a pretty lame notebook that does not appeal to the masses, but rather, a niche.

cz

Yah well the great thing is the niche will be pretty deep and think of all the 12" G4 Powerbooks people in that niche may be willing to part with once they get the ultraportable book, no matter what Rev A has on it. In my dreams they keep their 15" MacBook Pros and part with their not that old 12" G4 Powerbooks.

If I really really don't like Rev A of the airhead machine --that's what I'm starting to call it because all the other names suck and so do lots of the imaginary specs for the thing-- then I will scarf up a couple more 12" G4 PBs.

But, I might also buy a Rev A airhead if the thing is close to good (so Apple will do a Rev B). I will have to like it a lot in that case. It needs to be sturdy, not just lightweight and with a 12" or smaller screen. After that I'm easy on the specs. I'll be disappointed if it doesn't have FW but I'll live.
Ethernet more important than FW, even if it requires an adapter. I'm a fan of wireless but there are situations where you want or have to be able to plug in and the alternative is minutes (at best) of tweaking your machine onto some network, even your own, duh.

I know, I know, I am still obsessed by how nearly perfect the 12" G4 Powerbook has been for me. People are saying stuff like "oh it's so old..." It's way more than adequately equipped for what I do, and the actual age of the last refurb I picked up is 8 months.

dongmin
Jan 14, 2008, 10:41 AM
MacBook Air Tablet with Dock
A 12.1" tablet computer with touch interface (iPod Touch on steroids). Dock creates a more traditional setup, with the docked machine sitting upright, screen exposed, directly in front of the user (very similar to a docked iPod/iPhone, but larger and horizontal?). Dock allows for peripheral device connection (USB, Firewire, Ethernet Ports, Monitor/HDTV) as well as wireless connectivity to devices connected to the dock when the tablet is being used undocked.

http://www.macplus.net/magplus/IMG/gif/050510_tablet_patent.gif

Apple TV 2
Now includes an (ultra?) Blu-ray/DVD/CD drive, can be used as an optical drive for other Macs in the house via the network. Also features iTunes rental service (duh).

I really do hope that all this emphasis on SLEEK, LIGHT (as "air"), and PORTABLE form factor means that it's a tablet of some sort. If it's meant to be handled and carried around all the time, it must be a tablet, right? (I hope.) Why else would you go into so much trouble?

Other aspects of the design for your consideration:

http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/dock_sm.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/01/apple-patents-keyboard-imac.jpg

gkarris
Jan 14, 2008, 10:42 AM
In other words - you're just wrong :P

Me and the 30 other people in the office.

If you want to transfer multiple gigabytes or even terabytes of data over wireless, even wireless N, then good luck to you - whatever takes your fancy.

The largest files around here are 10Meg PDF's...

How will you transfer and fit terabytes of data anyways to your 32Gig flash based computer?

miketcool
Jan 14, 2008, 10:44 AM
What's the deal with "collapsable" Ethernet ports?

At the office, most people with laptops don't even bother with the Ethernet port (even with a docking station). One less wire in the office.

It's wireless on the road, at their home, and in the office...

The Ethernet port is already obsolete, even on laptops that have them.

Nintendo with the Wii has started this trend...

Seriously! Nintendo has raided the business world by storm with their exclusion of an ethernet port. Why heck, whenever I have a business presentation to do with my Wii and COD 4...

Oh right, the Wii is a console for gaming, not a platform for business presentations and a mobile office.
Ethernet is not obsolete, but possibly unnecessary on a sub-notebook.

As for air, its about the wireless baby! Who cares what the hell they call this laptop, as long as its amazing. Air, hopefully refers to a multitude of wireless related goodies, like :apple:TV or iPhone/iPods pulling many, many HD movies out of the "air".

I will go with my backup hope of an Apple partnership with "Glade Plugins"®. That new MacPro uses the heat sink to warm the effervescent oil and fill your dank computer room with the scents of aromatic meadow flowers and fresh sun dried linens!

bigbossbmb
Jan 14, 2008, 10:46 AM
a Macbook Air (or whatever) could work with just a 32GB flash drive when you think about having an AirDisk and Back to My Mac working with it. A subnotebook doesn't need to store you itunes library or have the ability to rip/compress DVDs. It would just be an ultra-portable extension of you're existing setup.

I would love to be able to go the Apple ultra-portable route, but my job necessitates a larger screen/more power/more drive space.

a456
Jan 14, 2008, 10:49 AM
I really do hope that all this emphasis on SLEEK, LIGHT (as "air"), and PORTABLE form factor means that it's a tablet of some sort. If it's meant to be handled and carried around all the time, it must be a tablet, right? (I hope.) Why else would you go into so much trouble?

The problem that I foresee is that the iPhone form factor is the biggest that you would comfortably carry in a pocket or a handbag. No matter if this thing is only twice the size of an iPhone you will need a rucksack or similar to carry it around. I can carry my laptop in a rucksack, so the only saving can be a bit of space in my bag and a bit of weight. Are there that many people that will see the advantage. I am starting to feel cautious, but hope that I am wrong. More practical would be to build more word processing, etc. functionality into the iPhone and iPod Touch, along with an ebook reader. That sort of portable DVD player size object just isn't cool enough to be trendy and probably isn't powerful enough to be practical.

leekohler
Jan 14, 2008, 10:50 AM
Indeed, but since when do they care? MACBOOK is a stupid name. It's been a couple years and while I've gotten used to it, I still can't understand the choice.

MacBook is a horrible name. MacBook Pro is even worse. I don't get why they did it either. The old names were awesome and certainly didn't need to change.

gkarris
Jan 14, 2008, 10:50 AM
Seriously! Nintendo has raided the business world by storm with their exclusion of an ethernet port. Why heck, whenever I have a business presentation to do with my Wii and COD 4...

Oh right, the Wii is a console for gaming, not a platform for business presentations and a mobile office.
Ethernet is not obsolete, but possibly unnecessary on a sub-notebook.

Just like the Wii, just hook up an external ethernet on USB (hopefully, the sub-note will at least have a couple of USB ports).

Also, that's what notebook docks are for...

AidenShaw
Jan 14, 2008, 10:51 AM
Point taken, but in all fairness that was the same keynote that CD burners were added (they were fairly rare at the time...

They were rare on Apples, but very common on other personal computers.

elgruga
Jan 14, 2008, 10:51 AM
Sounds like this machine is going to be another POS like the iPhone. Hyped up teenagers with a lot of money on their hands will love it. Sensible users that know and remember the type of machines Apple once made in the past that truly competed with other manufacturers will be laughing uncontrollably.

Why post something as miserable and negative and totally incorrect as this?

Try to cheer up - Macworld will be fun. Really.

OH. Troll. Of course. Windows mobile, etc.

Must not feed the troll.

cthorp
Jan 14, 2008, 10:53 AM
New meaning to the word vaporware:-)

I remember when the cheese grater form factor was floating around all the rumor sites just before it was released for the G5s. Everyone hated it and said there was no way it culd come from Apple. Which in hind sight would be a pretty good indicator. Anyone trying to spoof Apple would try to make it look like it came from Apple.

In the end, I've learned to enjoy the speculation but wait for the keynote before locking into a position. As Mark Twain said, " it's better to keep your mouth shut and look like a fool than to open it and remove all doubt".

I'm looking forward to tomorrow. (I just realized I look forward to keynotes more than Christmas. And they come twice a year! Yippee)

Greenbook
Jan 14, 2008, 10:56 AM
Hopefully Apple sees this and changes the almost 5 year old design of the MacBook Pro and puts some real hardware in it for the pros, and not the "every man, average Joe" market.

What sort of hardware improvements are you talking about? Is the MacBook Pro so horrible in terms of hardware for pro's as you suggest? They seem to have comparable clock speeds to PC laptops out on the market, and the graphics cards are fairly decent, provided you're not planing on playing intense games (but we are talking about pro's here, so that shouldn't be a problem). I guess for certain animation sort of capers, better graphics cards would be a help, but i would have thought a fully decked out Mac Pro would be better for that sort of stuff. Hard drive speeds aren't bad, and the superdrive is good enough.

So what sort of Pro work are you thinking of, and what sort of specs would you like to see in a refreshed MBP?

savar
Jan 14, 2008, 10:57 AM
on collapsable ports ... i wouldn't be so sure about that .. seems to be more of a hassle mechanically and more prone to break to be really worth it.. put the ethernet jack on a usb dongle and as said you might achieve the same result in heigth reduction

Apple's style is always to drop old technologies rather than shoehorn them in. Remember how the imac didn't have a floppy drive? At the time, it seemed kind of crazy, but they realized that floppies were already obsolete given email, external storage, etc. and so they made the floppy drive an external accessory.

I can't imagine they do anything otherwise with the ethernet port. Wireless is the future for most people. It's plenty fast for most tasks, especially if you're an on-the-go laptop user -- you're probably not sharing megahuge files or anything.

SirOmega
Jan 14, 2008, 11:00 AM
-No Ethernet port on the device, a USB-Ethernet adapter is sold separately for $30 or so.
-SSD is used, 1.8" HDDs arent fast enough. They may be good for your iPod but not your laptop. Though I definitely expect a lawsuit when people realize SSDs are only going to last for 3 years because the MLC flash memory only has 10,000 erase/write cycles.
-No crazy low voltage processors, just 2.1Ghz Penryns.

guzhogi
Jan 14, 2008, 11:06 AM
MacBook Air Tablet with Dock
A 12.1" tablet computer with touch interface (iPod Touch on steroids). Dock creates a more traditional setup, with the docked machine sitting upright, screen exposed, directly in front of the user (very similar to a docked iPod/iPhone, but larger and horizontal?). Dock allows for peripheral device connection (USB, Firewire, Ethernet Ports, Monitor/HDTV) as well as wireless connectivity to devices connected to the dock when the tablet is being used undocked.

http://www.macplus.net/magplus/IMG/gif/050510_tablet_patent.gif

Apple TV 2
Now includes an (ultra?) Blu-ray/DVD/CD drive, can be used as an optical drive for other Macs in the house via the network. Also features iTunes rental service (duh).

The tablet looks pretty cool and I like the idea of the docking station. Maybe the docking station can also have a hard drive, optical drive & memory card reader. I've been thinking of maybe it having a built in keyboard & track pad, too. Don't know.

As for the Apple TV2, sounds cool. Built in DVD/Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player and DVR functionality would be a really good idea, IMO. Maybe also combine the AppleTV, Airport base station and maybe Mac Mini, and that'll be great.

One thing I really wish Apple would introduce is a headless Mac that's somewhere in between a Mac Mini & Pro. Minitower case, 2 optical drives, 2 hard drives, single CPU and SLI/Crossfire graphics. A true gamer's rig.

Only thing is, I don't think there will ever be a single product that pleases everyone. Each person wants something different.

Drinahn
Jan 14, 2008, 11:06 AM
Bah - if apple do release a "slim" laptop kind of device with multitouch etc, they're not going to faff around sticking Ethernet ports on it.

Both my last PowerBook and my current MacBook Pro have *never* had an ethernet cable plugged into them.

DVI? Bollocks that - this is meant to be slimline. If you want a damned external monitor go buy a MBP, that's what it's for.

I'd be very tempted to say no to usb too... what are you going to plug into it that fits into the slim notebook tablet vision? I'm not running Aperture on this thing, so I don't need to plug my camera in. A mouse is obsolete in multitouch land.. keyboard? Hmm this isnt' meant to be a desktop device right? Hell, if you really want that, use bluetooth.

I say a power plug is the only physical plug.

a456
Jan 14, 2008, 11:09 AM
I say a power plug is the only physical plug.

Maybe not even that if Apple can go all the way with this thing.

Unspeaked
Jan 14, 2008, 11:09 AM
I'm in... just got a Macbook last August and plan to go PC free in my home and will get the new "Macbook Air" or whatever it ends up being at the store this weekend. The new one is perfect as I travel a lot and want an ultra portable, although the Macbook is quite nice as well!

This weekend?! You'll be lucky to get one by March if you preorder it immediately after the keynote, if history is any indication...



Yeah. But maybe Apple can pull off a good deal from a manufacturer. And it doesn't have to be 300GB... 20-60GB is fine.

20GB would leave you with about 10GB free after formatting and standard OS configuration. Granted, this might be usable for a small sub-notebook, but I'm guessing it's less than ideal for most people (even if it's their second machine).



IT security people with a clue know the problems with wireless security (ie. it doesn't exist!). I have friends who go to all of the conferences on IT security and they have watched people give presentations and hack any wireless connection in minutes. This is why the gov. still doesn't allow much in the way of wireless anywhere near their labs. Wireless connections are still too vulnerable to attacks.

Ya, most offices aren't wireless because the IT doesn't have a clue... I am sure it has nothing to do with the need to move massive graphics files around, and wireless is just far too slow. Glad it works for your company. It is not feasible for my company at this point, and many others, I am sure.

These are spot on.

Large companies with fully implemented wireless networks are the exception, not the rule.

I can't think of a single office with 500+ employees I've visited in the past year (and there's been several) that had an open wireless network. Half had no wireless whatsoever and the other half had small networks for specific visitor or conference uses.

As someone pointed out, the solution to this might be wireless for the device itself and ethernet on the dock. You leave the dock on your desk in the office to connect to the network and use wireless when you're traveling.

KingYaba
Jan 14, 2008, 11:11 AM
The name AirMac sounds a lot better than the Macbook Air.

bdkennedy1
Jan 14, 2008, 11:16 AM
macbookair.com, .net, .org and .us have been registered to Apple.

hephem
Jan 14, 2008, 11:16 AM
Ok guys.

Everyone is talking about the design, the optical drive, the hard drive, the wirelss charge, but hey... seams like one question is remaining... :D

What about the video card? The answer to this question will place the Macbook Air near from the Macbook class or from the Pro class...

Is there any rumor that Macbook Air will have a video card? Or will it have just a x3100 like the Macbooks?

Thanks for your answers. :)

emotion
Jan 14, 2008, 11:19 AM
Is there any rumor that Macbook Air will have a video card? Or will it have just a x3100 like the Macbooks?


I'd hazard a guess at an new small machine having an integrated graphics card. Why would you need anything else in a power-frugal ultraportable device?

guzhogi
Jan 14, 2008, 11:21 AM
With all this hype, I'm getting anxious. Also, I wonder whether an Apple sub-notebook would be a niche product. If it is, nothing wrong w/ that. Some niches are very important like hospitals/medical facilities. I think we can all agree that hospitals are VERY important and use products that no other profession uses.

Peace
Jan 14, 2008, 11:23 AM
The name AirMac sounds a lot better than the Macbook Air.

That would be very confusing in Japan where the Airport is called the AirMac.

hephem
Jan 14, 2008, 11:23 AM
I'd hazard a guess at an new small machine having an integrated graphics card. Why would you need anything else in a power-frugal ultraportable device?

Because actualy, the first rumors said that it willbe a Ultra-thin Macbook Pro.

And if it doesn't have a video card, then it will be nothing more than a Macbook (same screen size, same specs). :cool:

jshalvorsen
Jan 14, 2008, 11:23 AM
why do everyone think the air thing has to do with the ultraportable mac rumor??

what about video streaming from iTunes wirelessly? Like the Airport Express..

http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/airtunes.html

AidenShaw
Jan 14, 2008, 11:25 AM
3. iPhone already has more (browser)share, and had more sales than Windows Mobile since it came out, enit?

http://www.news.com/Google-sees-surge-in-iPhone-traffic/2100-1039_3-6225931.html

the iPhone, an Apple product, accounts for just 2 percent of smartphones worldwide, according to IDC, a market research firm.

Phones powered by Symbian make up 63 percent of the worldwide smartphone market, while those powered by Microsoft's Windows Mobile have 11 percent and those running the BlackBerry system have 10 percent.


iPhone traffic to Google fell below that of devices powered by the Nokia-backed Symbian operating system

jpturner
Jan 14, 2008, 11:29 AM
For a 12.1" tablet computer with touch interface...

WHAT WILL BE THE PRICE POINT?

Greenbook
Jan 14, 2008, 11:30 AM
macbookair.com, .net, .org and .us have been registered to Apple.

How do you know this? A Whois search does not reveal such things.

Project
Jan 14, 2008, 11:33 AM
what about video streaming from iTunes wirelessly? Like the Airport Express..

http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/airtunes.html

Thats called Apple TV.

ntrigue
Jan 14, 2008, 11:33 AM
MacBookAir Pro
-Ethernet located in hinge
-FW400 & FW800
-HDMI Port
-Optical Toslink Jack
-SSD as a BTO
-External optical comes packaged
-Modern keyboard

*Apple sells/includes box that receives HDMI and outputs DVI and Optical Toslink its white just like the power adapters and Airports

But I can't see them implementing any edgy technology in only a MacBook

AidenShaw
Jan 14, 2008, 11:35 AM
These are spot on.

Large companies with fully implemented wireless networks are the exception, not the rule.

I can't think of a single office with 500+ employees I've visited in the past year (and there's been several) that had an open wireless network. Half had no wireless whatsoever and the other half had small networks for specific visitor or conference uses.

I'll second that. Wireless is OK for a small office with a few stations (dentist, insurance agent,...) - but the shared bus doesn't scale well as you add users.

I work on a good sized campus (about 1000 people in 3 buildings) and as Unspeaked spoke - we're all wired Gigabit with wireless in conference rooms and public areas. No attempt is made to get wireless coverage to offices and cubes - if you're close to a conference room you might get it.

ntrigue
Jan 14, 2008, 11:37 AM
Does anyone think that "air" is reffering to Wi-max?

That's the first reasonable association that I've read...

You can't name a 2 lb piece of metal gadgetry AIR.

Project
Jan 14, 2008, 11:38 AM
http://www.news.com/Google-sees-surge-in-iPhone-traffic/2100-1039_3-6225931.html

You missed the part that said

On Christmas, traffic to Google from iPhones surged, surpassing incoming traffic from any other type of mobile device, according to internal Google data made available to The New York Times. A few days later, iPhone traffic to Google fell below that of devices powered by the Nokia-backed Symbian operating system but remained higher than traffic from any other type of cell phone.

Not bad for a phone with such a low volume market share.

Brianstorm91
Jan 14, 2008, 11:38 AM
*Picture*

I like that colour! Actually, I like pretty much all of it.

whlteXbread
Jan 14, 2008, 11:40 AM
http://www.news.com/Google-sees-surge-in-iPhone-traffic/2100-1039_3-6225931.html

I think we were talking about iPhone vs. Windows Mobile:

A few days later, iPhone traffic to Google fell below that of devices powered by the Nokia-backed Symbian operating system but remained higher than traffic from any other type of cell phone.

Which I assume includes Windows Mobile. Accidental omission?

As for marketshare, I still hold that the iPhone sold more than the Windows Mobile did in the same time period.

Sorry, back to topic: shout out to all the Penryn supporters. Pray for 45 nm!

zioxide
Jan 14, 2008, 11:40 AM
So here's my thoughts on this:

13.3'' IS NOT AN ULTRAPORTABLE

I don't give a damn how much it weighs. 13'' is not an ultraportable. 10-12 (on the high end) is. (Many 12'' are just 'thin and light' though).

I'd rather have a 12'' 3.5LB than a 13'' 2LB laptop. If one pound is such a big deal, then you might want to go and get a gym membership.

They're not going to get rid of ethernet. That would be the worst decision ever. Firewire won't be going anywhere either. It's going to have the standard compliment of ports.

Collapsable ports is a ****** idea. They would be fragile and break easily. There's no need for it either. How ****ing thin does this have to be? The Macbook Pro is already extremely thin. If you take out the optical drive (thickest component), you would be able to get rid of maybe 5mm of thickness. That's probably about it. This would still fit all of the normal ports on a notebook. No stupid proprietary dongles or anything (btw, dongles are the worst ****ing idea ever. They would completely defeat the purpose. "time to go, let me grab my ultraportable... but wait, I can't forget my huge case of 15 proprietary dongles")

0.9'' is pretty damn good. It's the thickness of a decent sized book. You don't need it to be any thinner. Plus it needs to be thick enough in order to fit a 2.5'' SSD, processor & heat sink, etc. None of that proprietary storage ****. Use a standard component and make it easily upgradeable. (You get a 32GB ssd now but 128-256 will be affordable within 1-2 years). 1.8'' drives are slow as **** and won't work.

As for the name "Macbook Air", it's not that bad. However, I think it's ridiculous that you all think it will be called this just because of the banner "there's something in the air". That seems like a stretch. In 2005 Apple had the "Life's random" banner and introduced the shuffle. Using the logic you're all using now, it would have been called the iPod Random.

Clive At Five
Jan 14, 2008, 11:40 AM
I remember when the cheese grater form factor was floating around all the rumor sites just before it was released for the G5s. Everyone hated it and said there was no way it culd come from Apple. Which in hind sight would be a pretty good indicator. Anyone trying to spoof Apple would try to make it look like it came from Apple.

I still think the cheese grater is ugly. It doesn't fit. They should've gotten rid of it when they no longer needed the ridiculous amount of airflow to cool those G5s.

I'm shocked the recent update is still the effing cheese graters. It just looks............. old.

and gross.

Old and gross.

Speaking of ugly computers, how 'bout those last two iMac form-factors?

Blech

-Clive

bdkennedy1
Jan 14, 2008, 11:42 AM
MacBookAir domain names registered by Apple (1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA)
Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:56 AM EST
After reading "Apple to debut ‘MacBook Air’ on Tuesday?" MacDailyNews reader "mango" did a little research on "MacBook Air" and found that it's an Apple owned domain name.

The Whois domain name lookup won't list any info using macbookair.com or .net, but macbookair.org shows the address:

Admin Street1: 303 Second Street
Admin Street2: Suite 800N
Admin City: San Francisco
Admin State/Province: CA

And macbookair.us, macbookair.biz, and macbookair.info show the same address, but with additional information:

Billing Street1: 1 Infinite Loop
Billing Street2: Mail Stop 3-TM
Billing City: Cupertino
Billing State/Province: CA
Domain Registration Date: Fri Jan 11 22:49:59 GMT 2008
How do you know this? A Whois search does not reveal such things.

headfuzz
Jan 14, 2008, 11:46 AM
I still think the cheese grater is ugly. It doesn't fit. They should've gotten rid of it when they no longer needed the ridiculous amount of airflow to cool those G5s.

I'm shocked the recent update is still the effing cheese graters. It just looks............. old.

and gross.

Old and gross.

You'd be a lot more forgiving with it if they were to produce a high end C2D xMac in that form factor, I'm sure Clive... ;)

bdkennedy1
Jan 14, 2008, 11:46 AM
I think exactly the opposite. While I'm surprised Apple is allowing the design to enter it's 5th year, I still get a glimpse of my original PowerMac G5 as I walk into the room and think, "man, that's a nice looking computer".

I still think the cheese grater is ugly. It doesn't fit. They should've gotten rid of it when they no longer needed the ridiculous amount of airflow to cool those G5s.

I'm shocked the recent update is still the effing cheese graters. It just looks............. old.

and gross.

Old and gross.

Speaking of ugly computers, how 'bout those last two iMac form-factors?

Blech

-Clive

Rafox2
Jan 14, 2008, 11:46 AM
Dunno if it has been suggested but "something in the air" ... isn't that about love? Love is in the air --->Beatles.
Maybe this isn't about big hardware updates and just some additions to iTunes store etc. I wouldn't be the first time that everybody is all hyped up and later on disappointed.

Clive At Five
Jan 14, 2008, 11:48 AM
Maybe not even that if Apple can go all the way with this thing.

And how, then, would you install applications onto it? Not all software developers offer internet D/Ls of their titles. Secondly, unless Apple releases a tool for it, I highly doubt most users know how to remotely install applications via wifi/SSH.

For a 12.1" tablet computer with touch interface...

WHAT WILL BE THE PRICE POINT?

Which isn't this computer....... I think our sources have been fairly confident that this unit is a laptop, not a tablet.

But to answer your question, probably $999+, knowing Apple... :rolleyes:

-Clive

killmoms
Jan 14, 2008, 11:48 AM
I still think the cheese grater is ugly. It doesn't fit. They should've gotten rid of it when they no longer needed the ridiculous amount of airflow to cool those G5s.

I'm shocked the recent update is still the effing cheese graters. It just looks............. old.

and gross.

Old and gross.

...You are insane. The Mac Pro is STILL the best looking tower case out there, bar none—an absolutely pure combination of form (minimalist aluminum) and function (efficient airflow). Beauty in appearance and operation.

bdkennedy1
Jan 14, 2008, 11:50 AM
You can't call someone insane for stating their opinion. Don't you kids learn this in school anymore?

...You are insane. The Mac Pro is STILL the best looking tower case out there, bar none—an absolutely pure combination of form (minimalist aluminum) and function (efficient airflow). Beauty in appearance and operation.

dongmin
Jan 14, 2008, 11:56 AM
The problem that I foresee is that the iPhone form factor is the biggest that you would comfortably carry in a pocket or a handbag. No matter if this thing is only twice the size of an iPhone you will need a rucksack or similar to carry it around. I can carry my laptop in a rucksack, so the only saving can be a bit of space in my bag and a bit of weight. Are there that many people that will see the advantage. I am starting to feel cautious, but hope that I am wrong. More practical would be to build more word processing, etc. functionality into the iPhone and iPod Touch, along with an ebook reader. That sort of portable DVD player size object just isn't cool enough to be trendy and probably isn't powerful enough to be practical.

Two-words:

Full-sized keyboard

This would be the main reason to keep the 12" or 13" form factor. I think a tablet-style form factor could work if it was thin and light enough and the eight was distributed well.

simag
Jan 14, 2008, 11:56 AM
I agree with various earlier comments: If there is no gigabit connector then the machine is a non-runner for business/pro use. While wi-fi is coming, few big companies have it readily available. Similarly a built-in camera all but eliminates it from the enterprise part of the market.

For the complete Spanish speaking market I reckon anything with "air" in it is a non runner - especially if the device occasionally runs hot. Just put "hot" and "air" together and slurr them together a bit ... depends a bit on your accent of course buts it comes out very close to the Spanish "joder"

'nuf said.

twig
Jan 14, 2008, 11:56 AM
I would hate to see a notebook without an ethernet port. My school (Lakehead) is probably best known for the university president's decision to ban wireless on campus due to possible health effects (google Lakehead wireless or see
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/realitycheck/sheppard/20060228.html ). There are, however, ethernet ports available pretty much all over campus (classrooms, library, coffee shops, internet cafes), so it's pretty easy to get online anytime you need to as long as you carry a an ethernet cable along with your notebook. Being forced to carry a dock around would pretty much defeat the purpose of a having a small, lightweight notebook. I know Lakehead is the exception to the general trend of campus-wide (or citywide) wireless networks, but from the posts in this forum there seem to be a lot of businesses that are still wired. As an aside, it's actually kind of funny to hear some of the students rant about how they can't get a proper education without wireless internet everywhere on campus. Then I think of when I started as an undergrad in the early 90s and hadn't even heard of the internet 'till my second or third year. I'm sure there are others on this forum who managed to get through an entire university education without touching a computer, let alone bringing one to class every day.

I'm also curious about wireless in hospitals. The hospital in town here bans cellphones in many areas because of the possibility of them affecting medical equipment. Would this not also be an issue with wireless (not to mention security concerns related to patient confidentiality)?

killmoms
Jan 14, 2008, 12:00 PM
You can't call someone insane for stating their opinion. Don't you kids learn this in school anymore?

You most certainly can. I just did! Honestly, you must be crazy. ;)

peharri
Jan 14, 2008, 12:00 PM
The "how do you put an Ethernet (or rather any RJ-xx) port into something really slim" thing has been solved before. It's not a new problem. PCMCIA card makers had to come up with solutions to this particular issue regularly.

The most popular at one point was a U shaped piece of (plastic, but obviously something stronger could be made) that popped out of the device. The inside of the base of the U had electrical connectors, and the prongs of the U were attached to the rest of the device. The plug thus was inserted from overhead. Kind of hard to explain. I just tried an ASCII art diagram but it didn't work very well.

The only problem with the design was that the things were generally made cheaply, so broke off fairly easily. There's no reason why a harder material wouldn't be usable, especially if there's slightly more width to play with than a PCMCIA card offered.

jtlz2
Jan 14, 2008, 12:04 PM
Let me be the first to say that a wireless laptop would suck.

Which leads me to my next point. Perhaps Apple is announcing an Induction Charging Standard for all of their products henceforth. One could have an iInduction desk and just toss your iPod, iPhone 2.0, MacBook Air, iWatch, et al on it to charge.

AFAIK induction technology isn't quite mainstream yet - but see e.g. http://www.splashpower.com/ (http://www.splashpower.com)

guzhogi
Jan 14, 2008, 12:04 PM
I'm also curious about wireless in hospitals. The hospital in town here bans cellphones in many areas because of the possibility of them affecting medical equipment. Would this not also be an issue with wireless (not to mention security concerns related to patient confidentiality)?

In the school district I work in, we had a lockdown drill and the police office said that in the case of a bomb threat, we need to turn off the wireless network b/c some bombs may be triggered by it.

screensaver400
Jan 14, 2008, 12:05 PM
The 1.8" 160GB hard drive wouldn't be fast enough for use as the only storage medium, but I think we all agree that having 32GB of SSD storage would not be enough.

There have been significant rumors about ZFS. It allows a machine to add storage, and it just "clumps" together as one drive.

What if Apple shipped a device with 32GB of SSD, and then a 100GB or so 1.8" drive, using ZFS? Now, I don't know if this is possible with ZFS, but it would work very well if there were a way for the OS to automatically move the most frequently accessed files and programs to the SSD, and the less frequently used bits to the "bulk" storage. The OS, frequently accessed media, and the most frequently accessed programs would end up using the fast SSD, and things like music, photos, and old documents would end up on the 1.8" drive.

If it were done well, this solution would offer the best of all worlds: Low power, speed for the most frequently accessed files, and relatively high capacity.

Remember, the alternative offered is 32GB of SSD by itself. I'd much rather have the 32GB of SSD and a 100GB 1.8" drive.

Figure about $400 for 32GB of NAND, and about $150 for a 100GB 1.8" hard drive. $550 is a lot for storage, but if the MacBook Air is a $1500-$2000 machine, it is certainly feasible.

Better yet: $1500 base with only 32GB of NAND. A $250 upgrade gets you an additional 100GB of storage.

trip1ex
Jan 14, 2008, 12:06 PM
How about a 2nd battery compartment instead of making it thinner?

I could see it being more of a consumer electronics device. More of a networked computer. Something that does the basics.

A dock with a hard drive in it and optical drive and ports would make sense.

Take it out of the dock and you have the iPhone O/S on flash. In the dock you have Leopard.

For this device to work though it's going to have to bring much much better battery life and probably something else to the table. OTherwise a small space savings isn't going to mean a lot. I'll just carry around a MacBook. It might be a bit heavier and larger, but, like someone else said, you have to carry around a bag still. A small size savings won't justify extra cost or lack of features over a MacBook unless battery life is multiples better.

So I have some doubts on whether they will even be introducing a small laptop especially since the iPhone is new and taking up a lot of Apple's resources not to mention it's basically a handheld computer.

Farther fetched idea: Apple makes a small laptop form factor that holds your iPhone. Your iPhone becomes your trackpad and 'control panel/interface.' The screen for this laptop is an EReader screen. Good on the eyes. Not good with graphics, but great battery life. The form factor holds a larger battery and has a full size keyboard maybe some extra flash. This laptop is dirt cheap because it's just an extension of the iPhone. IT's dirt cheap combined with a huge battery life.

Project
Jan 14, 2008, 12:11 PM
...You are insane. The Mac Pro is STILL the best looking tower case out there, bar none—an absolutely pure combination of form (minimalist aluminum) and function (efficient airflow). Beauty in appearance and operation.


Yep. I'm amazed that other OEMs have not come close to it after all these years. They seem to think flashing LED's and whatnot constitutes good design.

Greenbook
Jan 14, 2008, 12:12 PM
Dunno if it has been suggested but "something in the air" ... isn't that about love? Love is in the air --->Beatles.
Maybe this isn't about big hardware updates and just some additions to iTunes store etc. I wouldn't be the first time that everybody is all hyped up and later on disappointed.

You mean John Paul Young (re: Love is in the air). Maybe he will give the keynote. Could be good.

RoboCop001
Jan 14, 2008, 12:12 PM
I want my MacBook Air to be powered by Cheerios and Bibim Bap.

dal20402
Jan 14, 2008, 12:13 PM
Most users are getting Windows Mobile phones, or putting up with the aging Palm OS, but at least those phone have real features.

Hmm... last quarter, Apple outsold each of those two competitors. "Most users" seem to disagree with you. I expect you, like many people, fall into the trap of equating "most users" with "most people caught in the Outlook-or-death corporate environment."

Hopefully Apple sees this and changes the almost 5 year old design of the MacBook Pro and puts some real hardware in it for the pros, and not the "every man, average Joe" market.

I agree with you that the design of the MBP could use an update. But what more "real hardware" do you expect Apple to put in? The MBP already has Intel's fastest mobile CPU. It has the fastest mobile GPU that doesn't require a 1.5" thick, 8+lb enclosure for cooling. (If that's what you want, I'm glad Apple isn't following your wishes.) It has the fastest conventional 2.5" HD available (the 200GB 7200rpm option). It has 802.11n, FW800, and an ExpressCard slot that can give you eSATA. It's really hard for me to see how Apple could make MBP performance any better without turning the thing into an unusable BrickBook.

whlteXbread
Jan 14, 2008, 12:22 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/realitycheck/sheppard/20060228.html

Hogwash. You can't directly compare the (measurably small) EMF's emitted from transmission lines to the UWB RF radiation emitted from wireless routers. The amount of power emitted from wireless routers (and any EMF source) drops off at one over the distance from the router (or source) squared (IE really fast). In the vast majority of cases, you get more radiation from the sun walking from your office to your car, or from class to class...

I'm also curious about wireless in hospitals. The hospital in town here bans cellphones in many areas because of the possibility of them affecting medical equipment. Would this not also be an issue with wireless (not to mention security concerns related to patient confidentiality)?

Cellphones use much higher power RF energy than wireless routers. Even so, medical instruments are designed to be very robust - you can bet that sensitive circuitry is properly shielded. Noise tolerance is pounded into the brain of any circuit designer.

Windowlicker
Jan 14, 2008, 12:27 PM
...I can carry my laptop in a rucksack, so the only saving can be a bit of space in my bag and a bit of weight. Are there that many people that will see the advantage...

The biggest reason I haven't got myself a macbook is because it's too big to carry around with me anywhere I go.

rstansby
Jan 14, 2008, 12:29 PM
if someone could be me an example of when they really need there entire PC and its contents on the go then I’ll stand down

I agree that this subnotebook doesn't need full PC power. The way I see it, the folks who want "their entire PC and its contents" can just buy a Macbook or Macbook pro.

This machine needs to stand out and offer something that other computers don't offer. I think it will stand out by being incredibly thin with good battery life.

Greenbook
Jan 14, 2008, 12:32 PM
Hmm... last quarter, Apple outsold each of those two competitors. "Most users" seem to disagree with you. I expect you, like many people, fall into the trap of equating "most users" with "most people caught in the Outlook-or-death corporate environment."



I agree with you that the design of the MBP could use an update. But what more "real hardware" do you expect Apple to put in? The MBP already has Intel's fastest mobile CPU. It has the fastest mobile GPU that doesn't require a 1.5" thick, 8+lb enclosure for cooling. (If that's what you want, I'm glad Apple isn't following your wishes.) It has the fastest conventional 2.5" HD available (the 200GB 7200rpm option). It has 802.11n, FW800, and an ExpressCard slot that can give you eSATA. It's really hard for me to see how Apple could make MBP performance any better without turning the thing into an unusable BrickBook.

I agree.

Then again, I reckon apple could make a pretty decent laptop if they used the full volume of one of their classic mac carry bags.

http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/d1/43/0c71_12.JPG

guzhogi
Jan 14, 2008, 12:36 PM
I agree that this subnotebook doesn't need full PC power. The way I see it, the folks who want "their entire PC and its contents" can just buy a Macbook or Macbook pro.

This machine needs to stand out and offer something that other computers don't offer. I think it will stand out by being incredibly thin with good battery life.

I agree. Subnotebooks should be for those people constantly on the go, are in the field, or just don't need to much power. In the school district I work at, we have 3 servers in each school: an authentication server, a server to hold teacher accounts and another for student accounts. That way, no matter which computer they use, they can access their account. Plus, since their accounts are on the server and not their own computers, they save a lot of hard drive space.

Cloudsurfer
Jan 14, 2008, 12:39 PM
If this thing is real, then I think it will have three USB ports and a FireWire port.

I'm not really familiar with those ultra-low voltage chips, but I hope Apple managed to jam in a reasonable Core 2 Duo in there. If it is a 13" laptop, 2 GHz wouldn't be a bad idea. Also, I wouldn't mind a dedicated video solution if this is a Pro machine.

Clive At Five
Jan 14, 2008, 12:42 PM
You'd be a lot more forgiving with it if they were to produce a high end C2D xMac in that form factor, I'm sure Clive... ;)

Ahh, you know me too well... ;) Am I really that transparent?

I would be a little more forgiving of a computer I could actually use to its full potential, yes, but I still miss the days where Apple would make just a little sacrifice of functionality for form... and I'm not talking minimalistic MacMini-style. I'm talking G4 iMac style. That machine was a looker!

...You are insane. The Mac Pro is STILL the best looking tower case out there, bar none—an absolutely pure combination of form (minimalist aluminum) and function (efficient airflow). Beauty in appearance and operation.

I agree with your statement, but just becasue the Mac Pro is the best looking today doesn't make it beautiful. Others have preceded it which far outshine the Mac Pro's beauty. The Cube comes to mind, as well as even the "full-size" G4. Even the Graphite G3 iMac is still a thing of beauty, IMO.

Apple just hasn't been meeting my design standards since this whole "minimalist" phase. Yes, I like things simple, but I also like them with some sort of visual appeal...

What would you appreciate more, aesthetically, in a woman/mate? Simple beauty, or just simple?

Apple has abandoned simple beauty for simple. I'm a man who likes to have his cake and eat it too.

Call me greedy if you want.

-Clive

headfuzz
Jan 14, 2008, 12:44 PM
I just want a lightweight small Pro line machine to replace my 12" Powerbook as my Ableton performance machine... Is that too much to ask? :o

headfuzz
Jan 14, 2008, 12:45 PM
Ahh, you know me too well... ;) Am I really that transparent?

In a word, yes. :D

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 12:56 PM
Hmm... last quarter, Apple outsold each of those two competitors. "Most users" seem to disagree with you. I expect you, like many people, fall into the trap of equating "most users" with "most people caught in the Outlook-or-death corporate environment."

I agree with you that the design of the MBP could use an update. But what more "real hardware" do you expect Apple to put in? The MBP already has Intel's fastest mobile CPU. It has the fastest mobile GPU that doesn't require a 1.5" thick, 8+lb enclosure for cooling. (If that's what you want, I'm glad Apple isn't following your wishes.) It has the fastest conventional 2.5" HD available (the 200GB 7200rpm option). It has 802.11n, FW800, and an ExpressCard slot that can give you eSATA. It's really hard for me to see how Apple could make MBP performance any better without turning the thing into an unusable BrickBook.

Compared to other 17" books, the ones without SLI that are 2" thick... Apple is missing plenty of USB ports (although I'd prefer FW), a second HDD, a number pad (for those that care to use it), HDMI, 3G/WiMax built-in, and possibly... just possibly the addition of an internal eSATA port.

As far as the design..... wow, where do I start? Mag latch from MacBook, user replaceable HDD (if there are two HDD slots then BOTH of them user accessible), added ports, maybe even the MacBook keyboard just to be different. Honestly there is a lot to do with the current design and hardware in the MacBook Pros. Being satisfied with what is current is okay, but that doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't give working pros the option of juicing up their portables at the expense of battery power.


Don't believe the hype about the iPhone. Apple outsold Windows Mobile and Palm OS because, (1) most people still want a typical phone, and (2) most users that bought smart phones in the previous years still have theirs, (3) the iPhone isn't a smart phone, and when compared to the other phones in the market it couldn't compare. The motorola V3 was the top phone in 07

linkie: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/11/and_the_best_se.html

emotion
Jan 14, 2008, 01:06 PM
Don't believe the hype about the iPhone.

I, for one, don't need to believe a thing. This iPhone is real, here and in my hand and it's a great communication device/ipod/phone. OK, it's not cheap and it isn't perfect but even with that considered it's a great device.

Remember Mac vs. PC.... :D

I agree with you about the MBP design though. It's possibly a design classic but it really needs an update at this stage.

gkarris
Jan 14, 2008, 01:07 PM
If this thing is real, then I think it will have three USB ports and a FireWire port.

I'm not really familiar with those ultra-low voltage chips, but I hope Apple managed to jam in a reasonable Core 2 Duo in there. If it is a 13" laptop, 2 GHz wouldn't be a bad idea. Also, I wouldn't mind a dedicated video solution if this is a Pro machine.

We might be surprised and Apple come out with a 13" MacBook Pro, an Aluminum MacBook, and the "Air"...

I would think the "Air" would have at most 2 USB ports. It might have the new Wireless USB? Bluetooth and WiFi of course. How much for the 32Gig and the 64Gig?

jouster
Jan 14, 2008, 01:10 PM
Dunno if it has been suggested but "something in the air" ... isn't that about love? Love is in the air --->Beatles.
Maybe this isn't about big hardware updates and just some additions to iTunes store etc. I wouldn't be the first time that everybody is all hyped up and later on disappointed.

No way the addition of a group to the iTMS merits the main poster at MW. And anyway, it's not even a Beatles song iirc.

Maccus Aurelius
Jan 14, 2008, 01:15 PM
Compared to other 17" books, the ones without SLI that are 2" thick... Apple is missing plenty of USB ports (although I'd prefer FW), a second HDD, a number pad (for those that care to use it), HDMI, 3G/WiMax built-in, and possibly... just possibly the addition of an internal eSATA port.

A couple of extra USB ports (or even another Firewire port) would suit me just fine. An HDMI port would be stellar.

As far as the design..... wow, where do I start? Mag latch from MacBook, user replaceable HDD (if there are two HDD slots then BOTH of them user accessible), added ports, maybe even the MacBook keyboard just to be different. Honestly there is a lot to do with the current design and hardware in the MacBook Pros. Being satisfied with what is current is okay, but that doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't give working pros the option of juicing up their portables at the expense of battery power.


Totally agree. When I was picking out systems, I ended up getting the Macbook because of those notable design advantages, and the perfect size for traveling. Ever since the first macbook came out, I was wondering why on earth Apple stuck to the hook and latch method of clamshell closure.

As for this sub-notebook, no firewire, USB and mini-DVI port, and it's basically a no-go. I'd like a smaller notebook that is as powerful as my macbook, but does away with some components to make it optimal for traveling, but not render my current peripherals useless because it has no ports. I don't do companion machines, and I'd like something that is capable of being my road warrior, but can be expanded into a proper home system. My macbook can do this, why shouldn't this?

jmlarsen
Jan 14, 2008, 01:20 PM
By the time an ultraportable involves an external optical and at least an ethernet dongle, not to mention the usual power cable, it seems like quite a bulky an inelegant package to me. At that point, I would rather just carry a MacBook, even if it were a few ounces heavier. And 4-pin FW is believable, but I certainly hope Apple doesn't use it for an ultraportable, because the situations that call for an ultraportable also call for a hub-powered portable HD. If you have to carry around an HD's power cord, again, you may as well just have a MacBook. So between the problems with the 4-pin and the inelegance of the dongle, I wouldn't rule out the collapsable ports, a wedge shape, or some other creative way to fit real ports on this machine.

And at least one post on this thread reminded us that since this is probably not meant to be a primary computer, it does not have to be too powerful -- just enough for web & email. I'll add MS Office to that list of essentials -- but still, why get a notebook for that? Why not just a smartphone? Or a PDA? For me, this machine would need enough power to run Photoshop. I don't think an ultraportable has to run Final Cut, but Photoshop is necessary to distinguish a notebook from a smartphone. I don't know what hardware would be necessary to effectively run Photoshop, but many of you surely do, and I think that should be Apple's target performance. I just don't think that there is a market for a machine that can do any less than that, and I don't think we need pay for a machine that can do much more.

Can't wait...

unregbaron
Jan 14, 2008, 01:32 PM
My Al powerbook is supposed to give 4.5 hours, a new macbook 6 hours. Any chance this new machine could last for 10 hours ? That would be amazing.

Would replaceable bays as with Pismo's be out of the question?

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 01:37 PM
I, for one, don't need to believe a thing. This iPhone is real, here and in my hand and it's a great communication device/ipod/phone. OK, it's not cheap and it isn't perfect but even with that considered it's a great device.

Remember Mac vs. PC.... :D

I agree with you about the MBP design though. It's possibly a design classic but it really needs an update at this stage.

Not to get anyone on the whole iPhone versus other phones topic, but I agree that the phone is wonderful... I am upset that I can't own one myself, and the price isn't that far off from competitors. My biggest issue is what I am getting for that price. I think the UI is the biggest advantage the ease of use in syncing contacts and other info. For me I need phone as modem and the ability to use productivity apps and (SORRY) a real keyboard. I may be able to get used to the typing, but the other features I just can't live without.

I compare the iPhone and it's let down for some users with the MacBook Air because I have a feeling that some users may be upset (as is typical) and other shouting for joy. I know that if the MBA has a 1.8" drive, no FW, and a ethernet dongle that many will lose in the first month the MBA would be a failure to me. Which lead me down below....

A couple of extra USB ports (or even another Firewire port) would suit me just fine. An HDMI port would be stellar.

Totally agree. When I was picking out systems, I ended up getting the Macbook because of those notable design advantages, and the perfect size for traveling. Ever since the first macbook came out, I was wondering why on earth Apple stuck to the hook and latch method of clamshell closure.

As for this sub-notebook, no firewire, USB and mini-DVI port, and it's basically a no-go. I'd like a smaller notebook that is as powerful as my macbook, but does away with some components to make it optimal for traveling, but not render my current peripherals useless because it has no ports. I don't do companion machines, and I'd like something that is capable of being my road warrior, but can be expanded into a proper home system. My macbook can do this, why shouldn't this?

I am in that boat now.... I can either get my job to buy me a 17" MBP or a Mac Pro up to $4000. I used the money I saved before up to purchase some more photo equipment, it's Nikon so God only knows when I will see it. I don't want Apple to make notebooks super small and super trendy. Give me balance, like the MacBook. Now that they have SR a decent GFX card, and up to 4Gb of RAM I may opt to buy the SR MB and get the job to get me a Mac Pro, selling my current 15" MBP in the process.

I will miss the backlit keys and the FW800 though. I like the current 17" MBP and I love the fact that it's only a pound heavier than the 15" but I don't like that all I am getting for the cost is an extra USB (which I don't even use the ones on my 15" at all!) and the gorgeous screen. Push come to shove the 17" is my choice for the screen size, but I may get the 15" AGAIN (like I did when I first had the choice with the C2D) and save the $300 for a LowePro Stealth Reporter, or an external drive.

p.s. Dell has a new tablet that looks interesting: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/latit/topics/en/us/latit_xt_landing?c=us&l=en&s=gen

salmon
Jan 14, 2008, 01:56 PM
What's the deal with "collapsable" Ethernet ports?

At the office, most people with laptops don't even bother with the Ethernet port (even with a docking station). One less wire in the office.

It's wireless on the road, at their home, and in the office...

The Ethernet port is already obsolete, even on laptops that have them.

Nintendo with the Wii has started this trend...
My place of employment bans wireless for security reasons. Apple still offers USB modems, so I'm sure they'll keep some option open.

I remember a PCMCIA card from 10 years ago that had a pop-out ethernet port. They could do something similar, but hopefully make it stronger than that was.

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 02:03 PM
My place of employment bans wireless for security reasons. Apple still offers USB modems, so I'm sure they'll keep some option open.

I remember a PCMCIA card from 10 years ago that had a pop-out ethernet port. They could do something similar, but hopefully make it stronger than that was.

I remember those things... they were the flimsiest of devices for someone on the go. I do hope that if they have to take ethernet out they make a USB dongle for it, rather than an express card adaptor... if they even have an express card slot on it.

Maldini
Jan 14, 2008, 02:05 PM
I agree with you about the MBP design though. It's possibly a design classic but it really needs an update at this stage.

Even if the MBP design is classic, its still awesome....how can you make it any better?! :D

devonelle
Jan 14, 2008, 02:08 PM
it's going to be something very similar to the asus design:

http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24 :)

but with all the mac programs you've come to love.

If it's less than 1g mem than I won't bite. This asus is actually upgradeable to 2g...

Domofloge
Jan 14, 2008, 02:23 PM
The biggest reason I haven't got myself a macbook is because it's too big to carry around with me anywhere I go.

I have a Macbook and absolutely think that it is not "too big to carry around" at all. I'm a college student and my laptop goes with me where ever I go and so far, its has not gotten in my way once. It acts as the perfect companion in my opinion: small, light, and awesome all in one! haha

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 02:38 PM
Even if the MBP design is classic, its still awesome....how can you make it any better?! :D

They could make it much better by including the better features of the Macbook. The user replaceable HDD and magnetic latch for starters, and if you must add it the keyboard (but keep it backlit). Then they could include some of the features from other makers such as the built in Sprint broadband, and an extra FW400 or 800 port... and that wonderful HDMI connection.

Just to name a few. :)

it's going to be something very similar to the asus design:

http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24 :)

but with all the mac programs you've come to love.

If it's less than 1g mem than I won't bite. This asus is actually upgradeable to 2g...

I like the Eee PC, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that Apple would copy its design or specs. It's a far better concept than the Foleo though.

jshalvorsen
Jan 14, 2008, 03:20 PM
Thats called Apple TV.

My bad, never been interested in the apple TV, so didn't remember.

mirffy
Jan 14, 2008, 03:29 PM
it's going to be something very similar to the asus design:

http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24 :)
Well the Eee PC at least has what I consider to be necessary ports. I'm on the fence, waiting for whatever comes out tomorrow, but if it does not at least have: USB, RJ45, power, (headphones) then I'd rather go with a 15" MBP.

I don't see them using the collapsible ports on any ultra-slim notebook, seeing as the ethernet connectors have a physical minimum size as you can see here
http://alpha.octopart.com/Quest_Technology__NKJ-5102__0.jpg

They're almost square, so no matter how you put them in, you're hands are tied.

I don't see any way of this working to their benefit in an ultra-slim notebook.
There is a reason any network hardware is still at best as "thin" as the base of a normal Macbook.

I'm not holding my breath. If they've managed to get a notebook slimmer than the Macbook and still managed to implement the idea well (without flaws like "oh, my retractable port-drawer's hinges just broke :(") then I'm all for it.
I'm just saying: without going for any spacial distortions there's not going to be anything revolutionary thin. Don't forget there will need to be sufficient space for the heatsinks (and fans) too.

Anyway, should they go with a USB dongle, then it's a good idea, but back when I had my first laptop in 2002 (which was a really old - even for those days - 400MHz Compaq) I had to make do without an ethernet port too. I ended up getting a PCMCIA ethernet card, and despised using it every single time.
I started having one with a little PCMCIA-Ethernet adapter cable, which just ended up having a loose connection. Then I got one with an integrated Ethernet port extending beyond the laptop, which was much better, but ended up breaking due to being strained too much over the years. So I'd rather prefer not needing any dongle or adapter at all.

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 04:08 PM
So I'd rather prefer not needing any dongle or adapter at all.

Which to me is the finer points of modern technology. I love being able to just pull my MacBook Pro out of my bag and getting to work. If I need power I just pull out the power cable and plug it in. My biggest annoyance comes when I have to do serious work and I need my external HDD. Now I have to pull that out and plug it in, that's two cables now. If I can't get WiFi or the WiFi sucks but there is ethernet I plug another cable in. Worst case scenario is needing a wired mouse/second HDD/compact flash card reader and having to plug another cable in.... that's just too damn much.

I would love to see a much more versatile machine from Apple. So far the current lineup is great, but I am still going to yearn for that second HDD in the 17" MacBook Pro to alleviate the need for an external drive. I can get by the mouse issue by sucking it up and buying a wireless one. The CF reader is going to still be an issue unless I get an SD to CF adaptor to use in my gear.

Having an ultra portable with dongles, external optical drives, no ports, a slow as hell 1.8" HDD, all resting outside of the case isn't going to happen, it's not Apple's way and it's not the progression of technology. This new book will be light, and won't have an optical most likely, but has to have at least some real connectivity to it. Give me more to use in the same package no matter how small.

kinesin
Jan 14, 2008, 04:53 PM
Maybe it's possible to put the Ethernet port in the plug end of the Apple Power adapter using a new combined power/data magsafe cable to connect to Mac??
That way it can be it's a one cable docking station :D

jumpinjoe
Jan 14, 2008, 05:11 PM
The new product is called "Apple Air", and is a small pocket device shown in
this banner with the heading " Your home in your pocket".

briansolomon
Jan 14, 2008, 05:11 PM
Would it be crazy to think they might do away with ethernet altogether on this model and go the route of the USB Modem if anyone needed it. It's very rare that I actually use a wired connection for a laptop and I feel it is probably the same for much of us.

fiftydollarshoe
Jan 14, 2008, 05:24 PM
The new product is called "Apple Air", and is a small pocket device shown in
this banner with the heading " Your home in your pocket".


Wow where did you find this ? did you take the photo ? oh my gawd..... mate its a fake and has been proven so on another thread...... calm down with the exclusive....

Martin C
Jan 14, 2008, 06:16 PM
The new product is called "Apple Air", and is a small pocket device shown in
this banner with the heading " Your home in your pocket".
I love Photoshop.

Anyways, that looks like a complete fake. What would a house on the screen of something looking very similar to an iPhone have to do with air?

CWallace
Jan 14, 2008, 06:40 PM
The new product is called "Apple Air", and is a small pocket device shown in this banner with the heading " Your home in your pocket".

Except said banner violates fire codes so the Fire Marshall would be all over it and why would Apple, after being so effective at keeping stuff secret, unfurl a huge banner with a new product in the middle of the day in the middle of a wall of glass windows with everyone standing in front of said wall with a camera?

Jo-Kun
Jan 14, 2008, 06:49 PM
Apple Air 180° in white & pink translucent with nike logo on it :p *need to get some sleep starts to be silly...

johnnyjibbs
Jan 14, 2008, 06:54 PM
Assuming the MacBook Air or whatever it may end up being called is actually a computer and not a glorified iPhone/tablet, Apple is welcome to streamline it any way it can but it must not remove all functionality such that the average person needs another computer to get by on everyday tasks.

If that were the case, then Steve Jobbs may as well take out a hammer during the keynote and drive a nail deep through his foot. If this thing can only be used effectively as a 2nd computer, then Apple will be cornering itself into a very niche market. Only the likes of some hardcore business users (who would actually need a second computer anyway to do most of their work) and Mac fans such as you and me would buy the thing.

I fully expect that if the MacBook Air is a computer (which I believe it will be), then it will still meet the very minimum requirements (in Apple's eyes) for a computer. Those goals may have changed since the PowerBook 12" came out - that means they are free to drop the optical drive and even ethernet (which could be solved by way of a dock very nicely).

But Apple isn't going to have spent the last 5 years trying to set up the Mac as the centre of your digital life if this thing can't run iTunes... or hold your photos, etc. This thing will be more powerful than people are crediting here - and I fully expect to be buying one to replace my ageing 12" PowerBook so that I can give it to my sister, not have to keep it for myself to run Garageband, etc.

If it can't run iLife properly, or there is no way to perform simple computing tasks, then this thing will not be classed by Apple as a Mac. And then it will just be something way too overpriced. If the only thing I want to do on it is browse the internet and read email, I might as well buy an iPhone or, goddamit even an iPod touch these days.

My prediction, or rather, gut feeling:

- Small single display (10-13" ish)
- Mega thin - all this effort cannot be just to shave a couple of mm - what's wrong with an inch thick anyway? It's got to get eyes staring, i.e. 1cm or less
- Flash or HD storage - probably the latter due to cost but maybe Apple has pulled some mega deal out of the bag
- Dock - as someone else said - this will be the magic and it will work seamlessly in the way only Apple could come up with. To include ethernet, DVI, Firewire and optical drive, etc - possibly an HD so that flash could be used on the go
- No collapsable ports - too flimsy. This is a Mac after all and they add clutter.
- Headphones and USB on the device itself, plus wireless I/O
- Something else revolutionary that is wireless-related: the 'killer app'
- Price around £800-1000 ($1500?) - includes dock because you couldn't function without
- Magsafe power cord also

Have faith in Steve. He will deliver. :)

numediaman
Jan 14, 2008, 07:00 PM
I've been looking for opinions about this (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/01/breaking-macboo.html) here, but didn't see anything.

canucks-17
Jan 14, 2008, 07:12 PM
Knowing Apple, they would make a special port for their Ethernet Adapter. This way, you can't buy 3rd party. I love Apple to death, but I wouldn't be surprised.

headfuzz
Jan 14, 2008, 07:22 PM
Knowing Apple, they would make a special port for their Ethernet Adapter. This way, you can't buy 3rd party. I love Apple to death, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Apple are hardly alone in the use of proprietary interfaces. I saw a propietary USB interface on some Dell hardware a while back. I think it had extra pins for bus power, but I could be wrong. Suffice to say it looked like a mangled USB port.

Digital Skunk
Jan 14, 2008, 07:42 PM
I've been looking for opinions about this (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/01/breaking-macboo.html) here, but didn't see anything.

It's garbage... don't worry about it looking like that awful mockup. I don't think Apple is too interested in taking the bezel from the iMac and making a laptop out of it. It seems that even the mockup artists from semi-major websites have no creativity or imagination as well. Some of the ones i have seen on this site are better.

AidenShaw
Jan 14, 2008, 08:11 PM
Apple are hardly alone in the use of proprietary interfaces. I saw a propietary USB interface on some Dell hardware a while back. I think it had extra pins for bus power, but I could be wrong. Suffice to say it looked like a mangled USB port.

Dell's "D-Bay" port is a standard USB 2.0 connector with an adjacent power connector.

You can use the USB port with any USB device.

Dell's external optical drives for the subnotebook come with a "double" plug that connects to both the USB port and the power port. This lets the external drive support devices that require more than the 2.5 watt max permitted by the USB spec.

http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/4429.jpg

ps: Note the 1394 jack as well....

jjc09
Jan 15, 2008, 01:15 AM
I know I know... not so excellently drawn, but you get the concept.
http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/39788/2001294231947038014_rs.jpg

shemp9999
Jan 15, 2008, 01:55 AM
I know I know... not so excellently drawn, but you get the concept.


those ports seem to be 3/4 scale. would they all fit, especially considering the recessed keyboard inside?

Digital Skunk
Jan 15, 2008, 07:10 AM
I know I know... not so excellently drawn, but you get the concept.

The mockup is pretty much the same as everyone else's, sorry, I don't mean to be offensive. The iMac bezel isn't the answer all to screen bezels, the MacBook keyboard isn't the answer all to keyboards, the iPhone case isn't the answer all to handheld devices, etc etc etc.

I really hope that mockup artists and photoshoppers get the idea that you can't just pull parts from one machine to make the next one in it's entirety. Apple doesn't do this EVER. The closest we get is the iPhone to the iPod touch, and the Power Mac to the Mac Pro and Power Book to Mac Book Pro, but those are just updates and not new machines.

STOP USING OTHER PARTS IN YOUR DESIGN.... BE CREATIVE AND ORIGINAL.... FLEX THAT BRAIN MUSCLE GOD GAVE YOU, please. :( For the love of all that is good in design just use the time to think about design.

Another thing... I think the ports on your machine are far too small. They make the book look like some 15" MacBook Pro Hybrid thing.

pootle
Jan 15, 2008, 07:41 AM
here's a link which might calm peope down a little bit...

http://www.trustedreviews.com/apple/news/2008/01/15/Jobs-MacWorld-2008-Keynotes-Leaked/p1

Digital Skunk
Jan 15, 2008, 07:55 AM
here's a link which might calm peope down a little bit...

http://www.trustedreviews.com/apple/news/2008/01/15/Jobs-MacWorld-2008-Keynotes-Leaked/p1

It's been proven fake already. Where have you been? :D

Rocketman
Jan 15, 2008, 09:13 AM
One major possibility to subsequent multi-touch devices is the release of Menlow, a tiny, low power, full Centrino x86 format microprocessor.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3199#comments

Rocketman

Rocketman
Jan 15, 2008, 09:34 AM
I don't see them using the collapsible ports on any ultra-slim notebook, seeing as the ethernet connectors have a physical minimum size as you can see here
http://alpha.octopart.com/Quest_Technology__NKJ-5102__0.jpg

They're almost square, so no matter how you put them in, you're hands are tied.


Here is an image of one for RJ-11 (phone plug).

Large linked:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6832920-0-large.jpg

Small inline:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6832920-0-display.jpg

The contacts are on a thin plane and the plug extends above and below the plane.

Rocketman

jake2jake
Jan 15, 2008, 09:37 AM
well i hope its as thin as a tray so i can mistakenly take it to work in the restaurant :and show off when i get one...lol....:D