:( Dirty Money Making Scheme Protest [Archive] - Page 2

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 08:50 AM

It's the nature of technology. Prices drop, devices get faster and have more memory, features are added. Any tech you buy today will probably be either cheaper or obsolete within a month.

For those who got them for Christmas, you've had the iPod Touch for over 20 days, has it brought you more than $1 a day's worth of pleasure from using it? If you had had to wait until now to get it, would you have paid $20 more to get it at Christmas?

Effectively new buyers got a $20 price cut today. But they are forced to spend that $20 on the Application suite. If you wouldn't have been mad at a $20 price cut you shouldn't be outraged about being charged for added functionality.

Yes, I would have waited had I known about this. I bought two touches at christmas -- one for me and one as a gift. I wouldn't be upset with a $20 price cut. Yes. I am outraged that I have to pay $20 for the additional functionality.

So, I'l box them back up, return them and then buy new ones. I'll probably end up spending way more than $40 in gas and time. It is the principle of the thing.

atszyman

Jan 16, 2008, 09:21 AM

Yes, I would have waited had I known about this. I bought two touches at christmas -- one for me and one as a gift. I wouldn't be upset with a $20 price cut. Yes. I am outraged that I have to pay $20 for the additional functionality.

Then how do you go about buying any technology? Tech advances, prices drop and features get added all the time. If you wanted features that are not present when you buy, you shouldn't buy. It's only a matter of time before the features are going to be added to the product you want or a competitors product.

So, I'l box them back up, return them and then buy new ones. I'll probably end up spending way more than $40 in gas and time. It is the principle of the thing.

You may want to be sure that, since they are open box, that you won't get hit with a restocking fee that could very easily negate/exceed the $20 you would pay for the apps.

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 09:34 AM

Then how do you go about buying any technology? Tech advances, prices drop and features get added all the time. If you wanted features that are not present when you buy, you shouldn't buy. It's only a matter of time before the features are going to be added to the product you want or a competitors product.

I'm a big boy, I understand all that. I don't mind paying for software. I write software for a living and our company charges for updates and new features. I bought a mini (long ago) and guess what came out? The nano? I liked it. Guess what I bought? Guess what came out next and guess what I bought? I bought an iMac. I used it for a long time. Guess what came out? A new iMac. I knew Leopoard was coming out. I waited. I bought it. I liked it.

Had all of this happened in 3-4 months, I would have happily paid the $20 because the home screen cusomtization and web clips look good for me. I feel this is a crappy move just after the Christmas sales rush.

Eraserhead

Jan 16, 2008, 09:38 AM

I would have happily paid the $20 because the home screen cusomtization and web clips look good for me.

That's all free, its just the new apps which aren't.

atszyman

Jan 16, 2008, 09:45 AM

Had all of this happened in 3-4 months, I would have happily paid the $20 because the home screen cusomtization and web clips look good for me. I feel this is a crappy move just after the Christmas sales rush.

So they should have waited longer after Xmas? If they had done this on February 15th, what do you do about everyone who bought one in January?

There is no good time to update anything if you're trying not to piss people off because no matter what, when you update/price cut/add features someone bought it just outside of the return window and is now going to be pissed that they could have waited just a few days and gotten something better.

It could have just as easily been a hardware upgrade and price cut, now you'd have obsolete hardware with missing features for more money... at least this way for $20 you can have exactly the same thing as someone who buys today, and you got to play with it for nearly a month while they didn't have one.

ob81

Jan 16, 2008, 09:59 AM

So they should have waited longer after Xmas? If they had done this on February 15th, what do you do about everyone who bought one in January?

There is no good time to update anything if you're trying not to piss people off because no matter what, when you update/price cut/add features someone bought it just outside of the return window and is now going to be pissed that they could have waited just a few days and gotten something better.

It could have just as easily been a hardware upgrade and price cut, now you'd have obsolete hardware with missing features for more money... at least this way for $20 you can have exactly the same thing as someone who buys today, and you got to play with it for nearly a month while they didn't have one.

Ok guy, thanks for defending Apple. You can be quiet now. Good job.

atszyman

Jan 16, 2008, 10:07 AM

Ok guy, thanks for defending Apple. You can be quiet now. Good job.

Nice, constructive...

It has nothing to do with defending Apple or any other corporate entity. The sense of entitlement that people seem to have these days tends to irk me. If you can't tell yourself, "I'll be happy with this purchase next week, even if they make a newer/faster/better version by then", you probably shouldn't be buying.

delude

Jan 16, 2008, 10:08 AM

Just want to add something else.

The existing owners should [b]NOT[/b[ be charged, because if we hadn't all bought it, and had waited until after Macworld to see, they probably wouldn't have updated it! They may have, but they would see that nobody is interested in it. Surely the people that bought one straight away are the true Apple supporters.

ob81

Jan 16, 2008, 10:11 AM

Nice, constructive...

It has nothing to do with defending Apple or any other corporate entity. The sense of entitlement that people seem to have these days tends to irk me. If you can't tell yourself, "I'll be happy with this purchase next week, even if they make a newer/faster/better version by then", you probably shouldn't be buying.

People are going to complain no matter what. No matter what.

The idiots in this scenario are the people that try to reason/wonder why they are complaining. They will be over it after a few hours of sleep. Let it go.

dr4cula

Jan 16, 2008, 10:14 AM

I bought an ipod touch just after christmas, and I have firmware 1.1.2 jailbroken, with all the 5 iphone apps installed plus iPhysics (which is awesome) and gpSPhone (gameboy advance emulator). Now, I could just upgrade to 1.1.3 and give up jailbreak, BUT in my country... THERE IS NO ITUNES STORE !! so how the hell would I be able to get the 5 apps (of which i frequently use mail) ? So yes, apple HAS made a bad move. They SHOULD be free. It's jailbreak all the way for me.

Exactly. There's no store in here either, not that I would pay for that kind of an update. What are we supposed to do?

Also, people were pissed about the iPhone's price drop. Apple finally settled with the $100 credit. Let's hope Apple understands what load of crap they have put together again.

atszyman

Jan 16, 2008, 10:18 AM

PThe idiots in this scenario are the people that try to reason/wonder why they are complaining. They will be over it after a few hours of sleep. Let it go.

Sometimes I just enjoy being an idiot and have fun in the debate... It's why probably more than half of my posts on this site are in the PRSI forum, and Console games...

I'd do it more at home but I'd rather sleep in the bed than on the couch, and my daughter who can talk usually ends all debates with "You're not my friend, dad!"

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 10:53 AM

Nice, constructive...

It has nothing to do with defending Apple or any other corporate entity. The sense of entitlement that people seem to have these days tends to irk me. If you can't tell yourself, "I'll be happy with this purchase next week, even if they make a newer/faster/better version by then", you probably shouldn't be buying.

I don't believe I'm entitled to anything -- in an sense of the term. Apple is free to do what every they please. Just because Apple is allowed to do something doesn't mean consumers have to like it. You can have your opinion. Others can be dissatisfied with Apple's choice and have their opinion. I'm personally irked by people who simply defend Apple's every move.

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 11:01 AM

That's all free, its just the new apps which aren't.

Other people who have upgraded claim this is not the case.

atszyman

Jan 16, 2008, 12:12 PM

I don't believe I'm entitled to anything -- in an sense of the term. Apple is free to do what every they please. Just because Apple is allowed to do something doesn't mean consumers have to like it. You can have your opinion. Others can be dissatisfied with Apple's choice and have their opinion. I'm personally irked by people who simply defend Apple's every move.

I think my main issue is how I read these posts saying that Apple should be giving the apps away for free. I don't see any obligation moral or otherwise for Apple to have to give these apps away for free. Just like they had no obligation to give the $100 iPhone credit that they did.

I was shocked that they are not free, I do think that $20 is a bit steep, and I'd like to see them offered individually for $2-$5 apiece. It would have been better publicity to give them away for free, but it's up to Apple to decide when and how to sacrifice corporate image for profit and vice versa.

Apple is out to make money. I like their products but I'm not under any delusions that they won't take every opportunity they can to take my money.

Sure is sucks that the apps are not free, but I don't see any obligation on Apple's part for them to be free.

dmcdayton

Jan 16, 2008, 12:13 PM

Here's a different tack:

To everyone reading this considering purchase of an iPod touch: I wish I'd just kept my iPod Nano for Mp3 and bought an Asus EeePC for portable surfing device. Much more robust solution, same price as touch:
http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24

ebrigm

Jan 16, 2008, 12:23 PM

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

People like this make Apple think this is O.K. It's not that we can't afford it, we just shouldn't have to pay for it. Just like the $100.00 rebate for all the original iPhone purchasers. Apple heard about it enough and "fixed" the problem. Of course, they give you a Apple Store credit, so they get your money either way....:rolleyes:

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 01:01 PM

I think my main issue is how I read these posts saying that Apple should be giving the apps away for free. I don't see any obligation moral or otherwise for Apple to have to give these apps away for free. Just like they had no obligation to give the $100 iPhone credit that they did.

I was shocked that they are not free, I do think that $20 is a bit steep, and I'd like to see them offered individually for $2-$5 apiece. It would have been better publicity to give them away for free, but it's up to Apple to decide when and how to sacrifice corporate image for profit and vice versa.

Apple is out to make money. I like their products but I'm not under any delusions that they won't take every opportunity they can to take my money.

Sure is sucks that the apps are not free, but I don't see any obligation on Apple's part for them to be free.

Very similar to what I think -- except I believe APPL should have just released these for free to existing customer or made the app pack/features available to new customers for the same fee. I'm glad APPL is developing new features for the Netwon, I'm mean iPod. I just believe they could have handled this better -- this should have never, ever been an issue. We should have all just been gushing over the next big/thin thing.

macfan881

Jan 16, 2008, 01:05 PM

you know its funny when people say they would pay 2-5 bucks for these apps but if im not mistaken people were still whinning and crying about having to pay 2 bucks for the 8021n feature Get a life either dont buy it or buy it plain and simple

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 01:18 PM

jnc

Jan 16, 2008, 01:24 PM

Customer service departments need more employees like you.

LOL

Not sure if you were sarcastic or serious... funny either way :D

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 03:01 PM

LOL

Not sure if you were sarcastic or serious... funny either way :D

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waiters and waitresses.

Regardless of where you stand on this specific instance ($20 for the apps, web clips and hsc) people should consider one thing. Have we hit the slippery slope where every new application, missing feature, bug fix or enhancement will require another payment? Is this a test trial to see how customers respond? Is $20, the new nickle and dime?

Everyone sit back and enjoy their Apple flavored juice ...

eL Des

Jan 16, 2008, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by xstorm101 View Post
BUT in my country... THERE IS NO ITUNES STORE !! so how the hell would I be able to get the 5 apps (of which i frequently use mail) ?

Same Problem here, I live in South Africa(just baught my new iPt)
20 buks...****...
mmmmm, but guess what?? No iTunes Store... :(:confused:

atszyman

Jan 16, 2008, 03:05 PM

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waiters and waitresses.

Regardless of where you stand on this specific instance ($20 for the apps, web clips and hsc) people should consider one thing. Have we hit the slippery slope where every new application, missing feature, bug fix or enhancement will require another payment? Is this a test trial to see how customers respond? Is $20, the new nickle and dime?

Everyone sit back and enjoy their Apple flavored juice ...

Bug fixes are, and should always be free.

When iLife came out and started getting bundled with new Macs, Apple didn't give it to people with old Macs regardless of whether or not their hardware was current. New apps, can be free, they can be charged for, who knows what the developers of the apps will decide to do?

Missing features should be free if they were promised when the device was launched, otherwise it's at the discretion of the company whether or not to charge existing users for the feature "upgrade."

razorianfly

Jan 16, 2008, 03:12 PM

That's all free, its just the new apps which aren't.

Incorrect. I had 1.1.3 (free) and while I had it, I couldn't customize my homescreen, or add bookmarks to the homescreen. Buying the upgrade, of which I have, allows for these features.

'1.1.3 FREE VERSION' contains one update. Having the iPhone dock. The end.

Pay the $20, and be done with it. It's $20 everyone. ¬_¬

R-Fly

jnc

Jan 16, 2008, 04:12 PM

Jecko024

Jan 16, 2008, 04:19 PM

All I know is I'm sticking to my jailbreaked 1.1.1 :D . I aint payin $20 for something I can get for free, hell I might just donate to the jailbreak team instead -- they could use the money more than Apple.

macfan881

Jan 16, 2008, 04:27 PM

Customer service departments need more employees like you.

Great joke did you stay up all night thinkin of that but still im saying people say that people say make them 2 bucks or 5 but this just the exact same scenario with the 8021n people still stop whining and get a life

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 05:12 PM

Great joke did you stay up all night thinkin of that but still im saying people say that people say make them 2 bucks or 5 but this just the exact same scenario with the 8021n people still stop whining and get a life

No, it came to me in an instance. I wish people like you would wear a badge that says "charge me extra, I don't mind".

Jack Flash

Jan 16, 2008, 05:13 PM

balwx

Jan 16, 2008, 05:49 PM

This is a very poor decison on Apple's part..

gr8tfly

Jan 16, 2008, 06:13 PM

razorianfly

Jan 16, 2008, 06:37 PM

The Apple TV and iPhone are sold using a different accounting scheme than the iPod Touch. This was public knowledge at the time the iPod Touch was released - it never applied to the iPod Touch.

This means you got exactly what you paid for. You should have only expected bug and some minor enhancements for free on the Touch. Using some of the logic seen here, all the iPod games should have been free, too.

Buyers of the iPhone and Apple TV will most likely receive new features and applications for up to 24 months, according to the "subscription based accounting" used. Again, this does not apply to the iPod Touch or other iPods.

Meaning exactly what i've been thinking. Apple see iPhone & iPod touch as one platform, for arguements sake, 'Mobile OSX'. Leopard cost you £79 to upgrade and experience it. Welcome to the first of hopefully many mobile OSX charged updates!

At least what they are charging is for is good, solidly written software. I wouldn't be surprised if, from now on, where possible, everything iPhone gets, which iPod touch could use, we will get it, in one of these charged 'packages'.

I just hope by the time the next one comes around, they have revised the system of downloading and syncing the applications to your device (i.e. creating an 'applications' section within your iTunes library (like Games).

Apple - keep em comin' I say.

R-Fly

aethelbert

Jan 16, 2008, 06:42 PM

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 07:06 PM

Over the past 24 hours, my fire has been watered down about the whole $20 for apps thing. Apple obviously had to do it (because of law) and they wanted people who told them back in August, "I'll pay money for the Mail App!" to be happy. What ever Apple announces, people always complain. Hell, they'll come out with a new iPhone, but everyone who had an iPhone would complain. Apple will come out with a new addition for a car, and people would scream because its not compatible for their car. Just deal with it people, and if you hate Apple so much, go here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=415744) and shut up already.:rolleyes:

aethelbert

Jan 16, 2008, 07:10 PM

and if you hate Apple so much, go here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=415744) and shut up already.:rolleyes:
No, go here (http://microsoft.com)

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 07:12 PM

No, go here (http://microsoft.com)

Haha, one of the best quotes I've seen since MacWorld.:)

aethelbert

Jan 16, 2008, 07:23 PM

Haha, one of the best quotes I've seen since MacWorld.:)
Thank you.

This website (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/default.mspx) works, too.

It seems that they left some stuff out. With the flash animation near the top, they left out a few words:

Since the launch of Windows Vista, people are

Waiting Less for BSODs
More Confident in Crashes
Safer Online (not really) from the world of malware that runs on Windows.

Jack Flash

Jan 16, 2008, 07:24 PM

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 07:26 PM

So, why did the have to charge $20?

Why not $2?

Why not $4? Why not $30? Who knows why they chose that price, its like why did Apple chose the iPhone to be $600 to begin with, then cut it by $200? Who knows.

kshott

Jan 16, 2008, 07:30 PM

No, go here (http://microsoft.com)

they keep pulling crap like this, and I might.

aethelbert

Jan 16, 2008, 07:30 PM

So, why did the have to charge $20?

Why not $2?
Gee, I don't know. Maybe because they want money? I have no idea. Maybe they just know that you'll eventually just suck it up and give them $20.

they keep pulling crap like this, and I might.
I guess that I would want to switch to Vista, too, if Apple tried to sell me one of their products!

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 07:32 PM

People, just get over the $20 thing. All right, you would complain if you didn't have the option of putting them on there without Jailbreaking.
Get in (complain), get out (pay the $20), and get on with your life (eventually "upgrade" back to 1.1.1).:apple:

gr8tfly

Jan 16, 2008, 07:32 PM

No, go here (http://microsoft.com)

:D

"no NO! Not Redmond! No! No, please! Anything but that! No! No!" (apologies to KFM (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076257/))

Jack Flash

Jan 16, 2008, 07:36 PM

Gee, I don't know. Maybe because they want money? I have no idea. Maybe they just know that you'll eventually just suck it up and give them $20.

And that's what it boils down to. Apple is taking advantage of early adopters for money.

gr8tfly

Jan 16, 2008, 07:36 PM

So, why did the have to charge $20?

Why not $2?

I seem to remember a recent firmware upgrade that cost $2 - people STILL complained.

aethelbert

Jan 16, 2008, 07:50 PM

And that's what it boils down to. Apple is taking advantage of early adopters for money.
Or... they're having a nominal cost for a very good upgrade. If you can't live with the fact that hardware and software get updated and you can't always have the best product without having to upgrade, you should stay away from the technology market.

I seem to remember a recent firmware upgrade that cost $2 - people STILL complained.
Haha. Nice point.

Mikey B

Jan 16, 2008, 07:55 PM

No matter what, MFers are gonna complain. I mean seriously I am flabergasted at the sense of entitlement that some people feel. Like has been said*before- you don't have to buy the update. Thanks for the effort, but I don't need some 15 year old kid who just read about Che Gevara in History class to go on some hot-aired anti-capitalist rant on me behalf on*the evils of corporate America (granted they are mainly on a different forum). I paid the 20 bucks, I got more stable firmware and apps. And now I can get (most likely buy) 3rd party apps when they are released. ANd guess what, you don't have to! I'm seriously, are we really shocked that Apple is, gasp, out to make money? That's how they R & D the best computer products that are on the market, and have gained a whopping 10% of the market share. Do I wish it was free? Sure. I wish my iPod was free. IF you don't want to pay, jailbreak it.

swiftman

Jan 16, 2008, 08:12 PM

Please don't turn into Micro$oft. :(

you should want that... Microsoft never charges for software updates...:p

apple is the only major hardware company in the world that charges their consumers for this kind of stuff. they just make cool enough stuff to blind consumers in their nickle and diming.

jnc

Jan 16, 2008, 08:15 PM

You should have only expected bug and some minor enhancements for free on the Touch. Using some of the logic seen here, all the iPod games should have been free, too.

Not really - the original 5G iPods have all the functionality of the 5.5G (I think) such as games through a free update, so I don't really know where you're going with that..

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 08:15 PM

you should want that... Microsoft never charges for software updates...:p

apple is the only major hardware company in the world that charges their consumers for this kind of stuff. they just make cool enough stuff to blind consumers in their nickle and diming.

Please people! Click to here to shut up. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4774456#poststop) Doesn't it eventually get old?

swiftman

Jan 16, 2008, 08:17 PM

Please people! Click to here to shut up. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4774456#poststop) Doesn't it eventually get old?

no because it is true.

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 08:23 PM

no because it is true.

They had to charge everyone! It was the law! Read some more forums around here and get your facts straight! Every new operating system Microsoft comes out with you have to pay for! Every new piece of software you have to pay for! Please, by Almighty Steve Jobs, just give up! There not going to budge, and if you hate it so much, go Jailbreak it! Live in the present, not the past, and move on!

Get in (complain about it). Get out (eventually download it) and get on with your life! (Jailbreak back to 1.1.1!) If all your trying to do is end up like an early-adopter for an iPhone and get a few bucks back, go ahead! Just stop complaining, this thread should be deleted.

davidnaquino

Jan 16, 2008, 08:25 PM

Perhaps ahead of the iSDK realize Apple wants 3rd parties to see that consumers are going to expect a lot for a little price.

Think outside the box once and a while...

Oh, and I'd say it is a sad thing, that $20 charge... I guess you should have just got an iPhone to begin with?

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 08:29 PM

TheSpaz

Jan 16, 2008, 08:43 PM

Looks like the option to purchase the upgrade is completely gone from iTunes now. It just says "Remind Later" and "No Thanks" right now.

hecks

Jan 16, 2008, 08:44 PM

Just deal with it people

No. Next point.

Ah ... I see you've spammed the forum with the same point repeatedly, exhaustively and boringly. If you think these variations on "put up or shut up, Apple will do whatever they want regardless of what you do or say or feel about it" is actually helping to promote the image of the company, you need to go back to fanboi school.

swearbymac07

Jan 16, 2008, 08:44 PM

Well, If this is going to be how Apple treats Early Adopters from now on, I simply won't buy any of their products until ALL the updates become available. I am holding off (with much difficulty) on the MacBook Air because i have a feeling in 3 years there will be a revision Z with 1TB of storage 8 GB of RAM and the fastest processor availble, all in a 0.2 of an Inch. If anything, the update should be Costly for the New People, not as expensive but still NOT FREE. The update should be cheaper than $24.99 (AUS) $19.99 (USOA) and should even be FREE to the Early Adopters. WE have already tolerated the Dark Screen Video Issue & Calendar Adding Error by waiting for Firmware Updates. I think that Apple should offer TWO Versions, One FREE with the HomeScreen Customization and Notes. The $10.00 Version with Mail, Stocks, Weather and the other App excluding Notes. APPLE we all Have NOTES on the Previous iPods we have bought, so why not the TOUCH. As for the Home Screen Customization, that should have been there in the first place. I have $24.99 for the Update OR something else. The iPhone Update is FREE and adds the same Home Screen Features + Bug Fixes that are always un-noticeable to the untrained eye, The iPod Touch Update should be FREE with the Home Screen Customization + Themes + Notes + Bug Fixes but NOT with Mail and whatever extra Apps there are. Thus shutting up people (who won't give up protesting on Apple dot Com after Several Discussions have been closed. This is just my two cents) I am posting this from my iPod and wanted to put this on my HomeScreen (The Site) and click on it whenever I wanted to check for Replies or News. This is unavailable because Apple have been greedy in asking for $419.00 (AUS) + $24.99 (AUS) = $444.00 (AUS Dollar) all for an iPod with a touchscreen crammed in the face and a Copy/Paste job of the iPhone OS to it. COME ON APPLE. Make it either Cheaper/FREE or in the TWO versions.

I usually stand by Apple with people bad-mouthing the 'Yuppy-Style' products but NOW i am furious and never expected Apple to do something like this.

Cheers

swearbymac07

Jan 16, 2008, 08:49 PM

Quote of the day.

How can Buying an iPhone be better????

I wanted an iPhone but swapped to an iPod Touch because I would've had to wait until 2008 (mid or late) to get the iPhone as I am in Australia, by then Apple would have Firmware 2.0.1 or something at least. And it would be double the price in Aus than it is in the US. I saw it going to be retailed for $1500.00 (AUS). Thats almost the price of a top-end balckberry and they can do much more than the iPhone.

Maybe Apple AU could make the update FREE for Australian Purchases Only?

Thats just my two cents.

Cheers

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 08:50 PM

No. Next point.

Ah ... I see you've spammed the forum with the same point repeatedly, exhaustively and boringly. If you think these variations on "put up or shut up, Apple will do whatever they want regardless of what you do or say or feel about it" is actually helping to promote the image of the company, you need to go back to fanboi school.

Yesterday I was pissed, and there is no way i'm an Apple Fan Boy. You guys literally come here to complain, and its up to the few that come here and talk about the good things to quiet you guys down. I was furious with Apple, but hey, if you just float with the boat, its better then standing upright and trying to fight back. If you feel so badly about, you can go spam Steve Jobs' email inbox.

Well, If this is going to be how Apple treats Early Adopters from now on, I simply won't buy any of their products until ALL the updates become available. I am holding off (with much difficulty) on the MacBook Air because i have a feeling in 3 years there will be a revision Z with 1TB of storage 8 GB of RAM and the fastest processor availble, all in a 0.2 of an Inch. If anything, the update should be Costly for the New People, not as expensive but still NOT FREE. The update should be cheaper than $24.99 (AUS) $19.99 (USOA) and should even be FREE to the Early Adopters. WE have already tolerated the Dark Screen Video Issue & Calendar Adding Error by waiting for Firmware Updates. I think that Apple should offer TWO Versions, One FREE with the HomeScreen Customization and Notes. The $10.00 Version with Mail, Stocks, Weather and the other App excluding Notes. APPLE we all Have NOTES on the Previous iPods we have bought, so why not the TOUCH. As for the Home Screen Customization, that should have been there in the first place. I have $24.99 for the Update OR something else. The iPhone Update is FREE and adds the same Home Screen Features + Bug Fixes that are always un-noticeable to the untrained eye, The iPod Touch Update should be FREE with the Home Screen Customization + Themes + Notes + Bug Fixes but NOT with Mail and whatever extra Apps there are. Thus shutting up people (who won't give up protesting on Apple dot Com after Several Discussions have been closed. This is just my two cents) I am posting this from my iPod and wanted to put this on my HomeScreen (The Site) and click on it whenever I wanted to check for Replies or News. This is unavailable because Apple have been greedy in asking for $419.00 (AUS) + $24.99 (AUS) = $444.00 (AUS Dollar) all for an iPod with a touchscreen crammed in the face and a Copy/Paste job of the iPhone OS to it. COME ON APPLE. Make it either Cheaper/FREE or in the TWO versions.

I usually stand by Apple with people bad-mouthing the 'Yuppy-Style' products but NOW i am furious and never expected Apple to do something like this.

Cheers

I agree with you about the price difference. Yeah, notes should have been on there before, and yeah, Apple's free 1.1.3 update should not been as crippled as it was. Its kind of ironic, if you think about it, that Apple gives you a free update to go pay money to go buy Rental Movies.:rolleyes:

But hey, if Almighty Steve Jobs came out tomorrow and said that there giving away free iPods, people would complain about it. It's life everyone, and lets just deal with it. Yeah, it would be nice if the give us a sort of refund for it or they apologize and give us an IOU for future Apps and such. But me? I'm ready for the SDK.

csky

Jan 16, 2008, 08:55 PM

Please, by Almighty Steve Jobs, just give up! Just stop complaining, this thread should be deleted.

The better quote of the day.

I'd love to live in a black and white world where a company can do either pure good or pure evil. Some can't accept that others can like a company's products but be dissatisfied with some of its decisions. If someone voices their opinion, they're a whiner or cry baby and should go some where else. It always has to be an extreme position -- love it all or leave it. If some other company did something similar there'd be a cute commercial with two guys with a white background.

Gaining market share and recognition comes with a huge price for the fan boys; not everyone is going to share their extreme idolization. Its ashame Apple makes such killer products. New customers are coming and they might not agree with everything. Sorry ...

macfan881

Jan 16, 2008, 08:59 PM

I seem to remember a recent firmware upgrade that cost $2 - people STILL complained.

ive been saying that since this was announced amen

Jack Flash

Jan 16, 2008, 09:05 PM

ive been saying that since this was announced amen

Yeah, in that situation the update should also have been free.

macfan881

Jan 16, 2008, 09:07 PM

I seem to remember a recent firmware upgrade that cost $2 - people STILL complained.

to all you who say you would pay 2 bucks for something and this this brings me to this article when they annouced the new airports and people complained again..

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=270100&highlight=Wireless+N+enabler&page=5

Pippen Man

Jan 16, 2008, 09:09 PM

Actually, go here (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=49D4F49C&fnode=home/shop_mac/software&nplm=D4141ZM/A). This is probably the update everyone is thinking about.

Jack Flash

Jan 16, 2008, 09:15 PM

aethelbert

Jan 16, 2008, 09:30 PM

Yeah, Apple needs to fix the bugs in the current unit before replacing it.
No joke. That's the legitimate thing to complain about out of the keynote: Release of Time Capsule still without the promised support of Wireless backup on an AEBS...

phytonix

Jan 16, 2008, 09:47 PM

$20 to add rent movie directly from iPod touch function. How about that?

another $20 to allow you open Word and Excel and Powerpoint document.

monke

Jan 16, 2008, 10:17 PM

The problem for me with paying for the apps (and i did before i knew this) is that if you buy an iPod Touch today, they drop the price 20 bucks so you can then upgrade it. Anotherwords, the same iPod Touch bought today includes the applications. That is the problem for me.

It's technology. If they would have upgraded the iPod Touch and then charged previous owners for the update, would you be complaining? Yes. It's constant. It's annoying.

A)No, is not about the $20, $4.99 or $1.99

B)Spectacular post? The iPhone will be available in Canada in 2012.

C)I think they should have never offered the upgrade for a premium. I have the right to complain. I am honest, I do not need this update. I am just upset!

I would like to know where you are getting information from that the iPhone will be available in Canada in 2012. You could have waited, but instead you decided to buy an iPod Touch.

They should have and they did. It's updating your iPod. No it's not a specification/hardware upgrade, but it upgrade's the software. It adds stuff to it. The iPhone already had all these applications, that is why Apple is charging people to pay $20 for the iPod Touch update.

Jack Flash

Jan 16, 2008, 10:35 PM

They should have and they did. It's updating your iPod. No it's not a specification/hardware upgrade, but it upgrade's the software. It adds stuff to it. The iPhone already had all these applications, that is why Apple is charging people to pay $20 for the iPod Touch update.

Ok, we've established that Apple was within their rights to update and change for it, but $20 is a big upfront fee that really feels like a slap in the face.

And I don't even own an iPod Touch

kshott

Jan 16, 2008, 10:42 PM

David G.

Jan 16, 2008, 11:18 PM

Don't give them your money. Not for the apps, not for their songs, not for their TV, or movies or anything. Find other places to get what you want. It's the only way to get them to treat their customers with any sort of respect.

Screw Apple. I'm done with them.

How dare you tell us what to do with our money. Who do you think you are? For your information I had a jailbroken iPod touch where all I installed were the 5 apps and now that I have the $20 update and the improvements compared to the jailbroken version have been unbelievable. Before all I could view in mail were ~20 e-mails and now I have access to every single one. Also, IIRC before none of the folders came up that I had made in Gmail and it would screw up multiple other things. It all works now so perfectly its amazing.

JWest

Jan 16, 2008, 11:18 PM

Looks like the option to purchase the upgrade is completely gone from iTunes now. It just says "Remind Later" and "No Thanks" right now.

I noticed that. I also noticed that they have yet to charge my paypal account even though I got the $20 update yesterday (regretfully- I just wanted those features WITHOUT having to hack). Very curious.

swiftman

Jan 16, 2008, 11:36 PM

They had to charge everyone! It was the law! Read some more forums around here and get your facts straight! Every new operating system Microsoft comes out with you have to pay for! Every new piece of software you have to pay for! Please, by Almighty Steve Jobs, just give up! There not going to budge, and if you hate it so much, go Jailbreak it! Live in the present, not the past, and move on!

Get in (complain about it). Get out (eventually download it) and get on with your life! (Jailbreak back to 1.1.1!) If all your trying to do is end up like an early-adopter for an iPhone and get a few bucks back, go ahead! Just stop complaining, this thread should be deleted.updates

if it is the law... why doesnt microsoft charge for software updates... why doesnt intel charge for bios updates...

service packs are about 100000000000more valuable to develop... yet they are free.

the problem is we are not talking about a new piece of software... we are talking about something that already existed... it had already been developed for iphone... and cost tens of millions of dollars less to develop than any update any where else.

basically... apple is selectively charging people to turn on a light switch

i suppose you also think it was the law to charge for 802.11n... really... than jeez man... every company should get audited b/c NOBODY charges for that kind of simple mediocre stuff besides APPLE.

im not saying apple doesn't make cool stuff... they do..

but if you cant see how incredibly shady apple is from a b2c perspective in some respects... i respectfully say that you are out of your mind.

csky

Jan 17, 2008, 12:02 AM

Wow, 10 pages of crying and moaning over $20.
This is utterly ridiculous. Why should you get the apps for free??

Wow. Now its 14 pages ....

spencers

Jan 17, 2008, 12:18 AM

I just jailbroke my roommates iPod touch (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2) and put on all the iPhone apps. Won't be installing 1.1.3

He didn't want to pay $20, so I helped him out! :D

jnc

Jan 17, 2008, 01:20 AM

Wow. Now its 14 pages ....

And if we assume half of the posts are current iPt owners objecting to and refusing to pay the charge, at 25 per page... that's around 170 people, and subsequently over $3,000 Apple aren't getting, just from this one little website :D we should treat ourselves!

hecks

Jan 17, 2008, 01:43 AM

And if we assume half of the posts are current iPt owners objecting to and refusing to pay the charge, at 25 per page... that's around 170 people, and subsequently over $3,000 Apple aren't getting, just from this one little website :D we should treat ourselves!

Compare that with the results of the Engadget poll:

Those opting for the upgrade: 6,908

Those annoyed by the charge and/or sticking with jailbreak: 24,169

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/poll-are-you-spending-20-on-new-ipod-touch-apps/

Think what you will about Engadget, but that's a pretty clear message to Apple.

Frosty1

Jan 17, 2008, 01:46 AM

y should I pay for something when I can get free via jailbreaking. It cost apple nothing to make those apps side the touch an iphone mi us the phone part. Y should I pay 20$ which is Hellas expensive just for apple to "unlock" apps. Its not even a new firmware which also should and always be free. Just look at he zine free firmware like it should be. There's no way im paying for this, and I dont see how other ppl can either $20 is at overprised even if it was 1 cent it would to much.

Any ways that's my opinion and I could write more but my touch keybaord is getting annoying now.

Daveway

Jan 17, 2008, 01:50 AM

hecks

Jan 17, 2008, 02:00 AM

But why continue arguing over this when there is a clear reason why Apple is charging for the extra features.
The iPhone is the only product that has subscription based accounting which allows them to add more features for free to a product making it more valuable than the purchase price.
Yall were happy with the apps on it when yall paid $200 for it, now the extra value must be accounted for.

Stop bitching at Apple, and start bitching at law makers that put laws like Sarbanes-Oxley into practice.

Or you could put it this way: assuming that SOX actually applies to 'upgrades' within the same fiscal year as the 'sale' at all (anyone?), what we have here is a clear oversight by Apple. They didn't use the same subscription accounting model as iPhone and ATV etc., when there's every reason to have done so.

They made a mistake. They'll probably correct this mistake for the next generation of iPods. In the meantime, instead of trying to find a creative solution, they just dumped on their early adopters.

gr8tfly

Jan 17, 2008, 02:07 AM

Not really - the original 5G iPods have all the functionality of the 5.5G (I think) such as games through a free update, so I don't really know where you're going with that..

Those were enhancements and compatibility updates. They added things like gapless playback and a couple of other things. But, not new applications (pretty much limited to games in this case, if I remember).

Daveway

Jan 17, 2008, 02:54 AM

Those were enhancements and compatibility updates. They added things like gapless playback and a couple of other things. But, not new applications (pretty much limited to games in this case, if I remember).

Right. It enabled the game functionality, but you still had to purchase the game.

Heather1

Jan 17, 2008, 04:23 AM

I haven't got the touch yet. I bet i'll get the 5 apps for free by the time i get it. And i honestly feel it's really unfair for those who are stuck with the older firmware and have to pay $20 extra just to get what i get. They shouldn't have had to pay 2 cents for it.

I know a whole bunch of you will go with Apple for this but we don't care you are that happy to throw $20 away.

Apple is being cheaper than ever in my eyes. Gee, I wonder if we have to pay $399 for the 1.1.4 firmware. <_<

Ivan P

Jan 17, 2008, 04:43 AM

Anyone know if you can use your iTunes gift card on the upgrade?

Yes, you can. I was curious as to what the new apps and features were like, so I bought a $30 gift card (upgrade costs $25 here in Australia) and got the upgrade. While the apps (Mail, Weather, Stocks, Notes, Maps) and features (customizable homescreen, lyrics) are nice, I really think it was wrong of Apple to make people pay for them ($25 is a lot of money to a 16 year old like myself).

ebony

Jan 17, 2008, 06:44 AM

I don't understand why people are complaining about the charge.

You are not paying for the updated 1.1.3 firmware. You still get this for nothing.

You are paying for new applications that were not on the original product. Why wouldn't there be a charge ?

I would have seen it, as very generous of apple to give the apps away free, but they are a business - who obviously sell software and hardware and want to be paid for it.

atszyman

Jan 17, 2008, 07:56 AM

Well, If this is going to be how Apple treats Early Adopters from now on, I simply won't buy any of their products until ALL the updates become available. I am holding off (with much difficulty) on the MacBook Air because i have a feeling in 3 years there will be a revision Z with 1TB of storage 8 GB of RAM and the fastest processor availble, all in a 0.2 of an Inch. If anything, the update should be Costly for the New People, not as expensive but still NOT FREE. The update should be cheaper than $24.99 (AUS) $19.99 (USOA) and should even be FREE to the Early Adopters. WE have already tolerated the Dark Screen Video Issue & Calendar Adding Error by waiting for Firmware Updates.

So by this logic any time Apple starts bundling a software package with their computers anyone who had buggy first gen hardware/OS should be entitled to that software for free? People who had G4 cubes should get free copies of iLife? First gen products are almost always buggy, if you don't want to deal with it wait until second or third generation and buy a more feature filled, less buggy product for less money.

It was mentioned that early adopters should be favored since they produce the sales that allow for the products to improve, but how far back do you take that? Should gen 1 iPod owners get free iPod Touches because without them the iPod would have tanked and we wouldn't have iPts today? You buy a product for the features it has not the features you think it might get in the future. If new features are added, you may luck out and get them for free, you may have to pay for them, or you may be ineligible because of older hardware, it's the nature of technology, tomorrow's products will always be faster, smaller, better, and cheaper.

updates

if it is the law... why doesnt microsoft charge for software updates... why doesnt intel charge for bios updates...

service packs are about 100000000000more valuable to develop... yet they are free.

The bug fixes for any software are almost always free (excepting the bug fix from ME->XP). The 1.1.3 firmware update for the iPt is also free.

the problem is we are not talking about a new piece of software... we are talking about something that already existed... it had already been developed for iphone... and cost tens of millions of dollars less to develop than any update any where else.

These apps, while already developed were not initially available on the iPt and thus count as new applications on that platform. Microsoft could start bundling MS Word with Vista tomorrow and offer it as a download "upgrade" for current users but they would have to charge for the "upgrade" while new Vista purchasers get it with the OS they buy today for no extra charge. This is where SOX comes into play. MS can issue any bug fixes and enhancements to applications already within Windows (Explorer, Outlook Express, etc.) but if they add any applications that weren't previously there they need to charge existing users for those applications.

Frosty1

Jan 17, 2008, 01:36 PM

atszyman

Jan 17, 2008, 01:46 PM

ya but u cant compare hardware to firmware, its totally different. The thing is The new IPT ppl get this for free, and there shafting the early adopters by not including it, when it should be free since its not like they had to waste man hours programming these apps, when there on the iphone already.

Did Apple give away iLife to old customers when they started bundling it with new computers?

How do you know that they didn't use these apps to perfect the SDK, effectively spending a lot of time and money to make them compatible with the SDK? The iPhone had the apps already so charging for an upgrade to the apps would have gone over even worse than charging for them on the iPt where the apps were not currently bundled.

Think of it all as a $20 price cut on the iPt and then forcing the new users to purchase a bundle of the iPt and the new apps. They may not want or use the apps but they have to spend the $20 to get their iPt (unless you can get your hands on the existing stock without the apps for $20 less).

phytonix

Jan 17, 2008, 01:57 PM

Did Apple give away iLife to old customers when they started bundling it with new computers?

New iLife is not supposed to be on old Macs in the first place (because they have NOT been released yet!!!!).
Apple and Oranges.

spencecb

Jan 17, 2008, 02:00 PM

I can see both sides to this argument.

I bought the iPhone at launch, and was upset, though not suprised, when Apple dropped the price significantly very early in the life cycle of the device. Apple did what was right, and gave us back a $100 store credit. I'm not here to argue about the fact that the money is still going back to Apple. That doesn't matter. They made early owners happy.

Now, for the iPod Touch. I really don't see a problem with them charging for this update. You want to know why? Because there is very little difference between the iPhone and the iPod Touch now. Sure, the Touch does not have SMS or the phone, but it does everything else now that the iPhone can do (with the exception of browsing the internet over EDGE). And you know what? That kind of sucks, cosidering I pay about $100 a month in order to use the iPhone. That is why iPhone users are entitled to free updates from Apple. They are getting subscription revenue from AT&T monthly from us. A one time $20 fee to update your Touch will not kill you.

As for the :apple:TV. Apple did the right thing by recognizing that the :apple:TV left a lot to be desired. Could you imagine how mad everyone would be that owned an :apple:TV and couldn't take advantage of the new features of the iTunes Store? I mean, that is the primary reason why they bought the device. Apple is paying them back with the new features because the :apple:TV sucked until Tuesday. Now it can be used as a true entertainment hub. This is the year :apple:TV will make its way into the living room. And probably mine.

Apple does take care of its customers. And 9 times out of 10 they get it right. When they get it wrong, they usually fix it. So, if they truly believe they are doing a disservice to early adopters of the Touch by charging the $20 software update fee, then they will revoke it. Time will tell.

Just my .02

atszyman

Jan 17, 2008, 02:02 PM

New iLife is not supposed to be on old Macs in the first place (because they have NOT been released yet!!!!).
Apple and Oranges.

iLife did not come with an entire Mac lineup refresh. People who had a completely current computer out of Apple's lineup were not given iLife just because new purchasers of the exact same hardware got it with their purchase.

iPt owners did not get these apps with their purchase, new iPt buyers do. Apple is under no obligation to give the apps away for free to people who knew the applications were not there when they bought their hardware.

phytonix

Jan 17, 2008, 02:05 PM

iLife did not come with an entire Mac lineup refresh. People who had a completely current computer out of Apple's lineup were not given iLife just because new purchasers of the exact same hardware got it with their purchase.

iPt owners did not get these apps with their purchase, new iPt buyers do. Apple is under no obligation to give the apps away for free to people who knew the applications were not there when they bought their hardware.

Again, it is when a completely new software is released. Those iPod apps are NOT new, at all. These are totally different situations. Plus Apple intentionally crippled iPod touch apps. Did Apple intentionally crippled Macs (removing iLife)??? Please stop comparing inappropriately. Becasue these are different situations, people are angry. If people just want free stuff, and what you said is comparable, we would see people complaining about iLife bundle. But we didn't, did we?

atszyman

Jan 17, 2008, 02:11 PM

Again, it is when a completely new software is released. Those iPod apps are NOT new, at all. These are totally different situations. Plus Apple intentionally crippled iPod touch apps. Did Apple intentionally crippled Macs (removing iLife)??? Please stop comparing inappropriately. Becasue these are different situations, people are angry. If people just want free stuff, and what you said is comparable, we would see people complaining about iLife bundle. But we didn't, did we?

The apps are new to the iPt. They weren't there when you purchased it, they weren't available without hacking. Essentially these are all new apps for the iPt platform.

How was the iPt crippled by not having these apps? It did everything it was advertised to do. Sure the capability was there to do more but these apps were not available or intended for use on the iPt until now.

My computer can do much more out of the box if I buy software for it, does that mean it's crippled because the applications weren't bundled with the computer?

phytonix

Jan 17, 2008, 02:49 PM

How was the iPt crippled by not having these apps? It did everything it was advertised to do. Sure the capability was there to do more but these apps were not available or intended for use on the iPt until now.

So all the people who thought iPod touch was crippled are crazy. And all the people who did not applaud when Jobs announced $20 to upgrade don't know what they are doing. What changed Apple to make them to "intend" to allow iPod touch to run these apps?

Sure, the Touch does not have SMS or the phone, but it does everything else now that the iPhone can do (with the exception of browsing the internet over EDGE). And you know what? That kind of sucks, cosidering I pay about $100 a month in order to use the iPhone. That is why iPhone users are entitled to free updates from Apple. They are getting subscription revenue from AT&T monthly from us. A one time $20 fee to update your Touch will not kill you.

Where does this iPhone users are superior than iPod touch users because you pay subscription fee come from? How ridiculous.

iLoveiPod

Jan 17, 2008, 02:59 PM

Well, i caved in last night and paid the stupid $20. It was worth it though. I was getting so tired of all the crap i had on my touch anyways. Much easier this way.

atszyman

Jan 17, 2008, 03:12 PM

So all the people who thought iPod touch was crippled are crazy. And all the people who did not applaud when Jobs announced $20 to upgrade don't know what they are doing. What changed Apple to make them to "intend" to allow iPod touch to run these apps?

Just because a device is capable of doing something does not make it "crippled" by not having the application to do it. The iPt did everything it was supposed to when it was released. Now Apple has opened it up to do more and provided applications to do more. Is it wrong for them to want to charge for applications that are new to the iPt?

Yes the apps were already available on the iPhone but who's to say that the 1.1.3 update didn't break these apps on the iPhone necessitating the update? Since the iPhone is advertised to have these applications they cannot charge iPhone owners for them, but it may have been a significant time/development effort on Apple's part to make the apps 1.1.3 compatible. Why can't they charge iPt users for features that were not there or advertised to be there when they purchased the product?

If Nintendo decides to start putting 4000 Wii points on every console they sell, or bundle one of their own games with the Wii, do they now have to send all prior purchasers the game/points? The hardware hasn't changed, the price is still the same, but new buyers get more for their money, while existing owners have to purchase the game/points.

spencecb

Jan 17, 2008, 03:17 PM

Where does this iPhone users are superior than iPod touch users because you pay subscription fee come from? How ridiculous.

Nice way to take this small part out of context of my entire post.

Tell me this: in the past, with iPods, most of the time, when Apple released a software/firmware update, it was to provide bug fixes, primarily, was it not? Yes, there were a few times when it added a couple new features. But that was rare. It was mainly to improve the stability of the device. And it was free.

Now, Apple releases five new applications to the device, and you are complaining that they are not free? I bet you $100 that when the SDK is released next month, a majority of the apps that are developed will cost money to be able to use on the iPhone/iPod Touch. Are you going to complain about that, too? And don't give me that crap that they are "not new apps because they were already developed for the iPhone." Well, the iPod Touch is not an iPhone, last I checked. So why should you expect to get the apps that were developed for the iPhone for free on the Touch?

And to everyone that does not see the comparison between the iPod Touch update and Apple updating iLife are just wanting to make an argument for the sake of arguing. It is the same thing. Same reason as I stated above applies to OS X: When Apple provides the free updates to OS X, aren't they primarily to improve security and to fix bugs? Rarely does an OS X software update involve new features. You have to pay for new features.

Look, I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice if Apple gave it away for free. Obviously that would make everyone happy. I think it would be great if Apple gave me a free copy of OS X every time there is a new release because I bought a PowerBook G4 when OS X 10.0 came out. But, they don't. And I'm okay with paying for it because it is worth it.

phytonix

Jan 17, 2008, 04:28 PM

I do not think this conversation is health because no matter how much you guys say, you just simply ignore the most fundamental problem: these apps should have been there since day 1. People were disappointed and surprised when they were not included. If you do not agree with this part, you can argue whatever you want and still sounds reasonable.

synth3tik

Jan 17, 2008, 04:30 PM

OMG who the hell is Apple to want to make money.

If you don't want to pay #20 then don't and leave it at that.

Is Apple forcing you to pay the money?
:mad:

phytonix

Jan 17, 2008, 04:33 PM

OMG who the hell is Apple to want to make money.

If you don't want to pay #20 then don't and leave it at that.

Is Apple forcing you to pay the money?
:mad:

Why should we leave it? We have been disappointed when those apps were not included when iPod touch was released. Apple did not explain why. Jobs lied about "unable to edit calendar event" is a "bug" when you can simply edit plist to enable it. People are so forgetful.

Why are customers mad at other customers when some customers are ripped off? How about next time when you are ripped off nobody wants to support you?

macfan881

Jan 17, 2008, 04:40 PM

Ok let me say this this was a ipod at first with the same os as the iphone but it was intended to be a IPOD second the webrowser and itunes store. now the only way we found out out about the email being on there and was hacking and stealing the iphone's rep source. which if im not mistaking modifying software like this is Against Apples ELUA so the only way steve i belived did this was to stop hacking on the ipod.

razorianfly

Jan 17, 2008, 04:48 PM

Why should we leave it? We have been disappointed when those apps were not included when iPod touch was released. Apple did not explain why. Jobs lied about "unable to edit calendar event" is a "bug" when you can simply edit plist to enable it. People are so forgetful.

Why are customers mad at other customers when some customers are ripped off? How about next time when you are ripped off nobody wants to support you?

I'm sorry, but I honestly fail to see where you or anyone else, for that matter, have been 'ripped off'.

Firstly, when you bought the iPod touch, you bought it with it's current functionality. Granted the in-ability to create events in the calendar application only came to light a few weeks after it was released, so ok, Apple made you buy under the impression you were going to recieve that, and if you wanted to take that further, you should have done so, at the time, with Apple.

Secondly, Apple are now 'giving' software away to new iPod touch users. Ok - big deal? - I'll re-iterrate my last point. You bought iPod touch with the stated functionality, for a stated price. If you expected anything more, you were foolish. Apple are not under any obligation to provide you or anyone else with regular software updates. They saw the product as fit for shipment, so they could of left you with all the previous bugs, which luckily, thanks to Apple, have now been fixed. Now the paid update - Ok, so how long did you expect to recieve free updates to your device for FREE (1.1.1 & 1.1.2), which continue to add minor and useful functions?

You can't expect that. No-one can. The people who go out and buy iPod touch from now on, yes they'll get the software free, why? - because they are buying the current iPod touch, and the current stated price, with the current stated functionality, as we did. Did Apple charge us for the software? - No, why should they charge new users? - Exactly.

No-one has been ripped off here. Actually, if anything is happening here, it's that people are showing they are not prepared to put forward ANY amount or currency towards the software Apple develops? - Why? - Why shouldn't Apple's software engineers get paid for whats likely plenty of man hours (originally - before the iPhone) to create, code, and bring this software to the touch platform, be paid for their work? How about your boss refusing you a pay packet next month? - fancy it? - I don't think so.

R-Fly

Teddy's

Jan 17, 2008, 04:50 PM

...modifying software like this is Against Apples ELUA so the only way steve i belived did this was to stop hacking on the ipod.

That sounds like microsoft. Making you pay will stop hacking!? ROTFL!!!

ELUA:rolleyes:

spencecb

Jan 17, 2008, 04:52 PM

Why should we leave it? We have been disappointed when those apps were not included when iPod touch was released.

Then why did you buy it if you were disappointed with what it had to offer?

phytonix

Jan 17, 2008, 04:53 PM

I'm sorry, but I honestly fail to see where you or anyone else, for that matter, have been 'ripped off'.

You want to pay for it, willingly, happily, faithfully, doesn't mean other people are not ripped off. Period.
How about people paying $3000+ for a SONY laptop are ripped off?

Then why did you buy it if you were disappointed with what it had to offer?

Because there is jailbreak. And faith that Apple would change this. Now they changed it, for a price. Unbelievable.

Teddy's

Jan 17, 2008, 05:07 PM

Now charge for 12kb to modify the plist whatever it is... Does safari seem snappier?

Only Apple is capable to elevate me to heaven and break my heart once in a while. But... isn't that love anyway?

gr8tfly

Jan 17, 2008, 05:26 PM

Where does this iPhone users are superior than iPod touch users because you pay subscription fee come from? How ridiculous.

I'm not an accountant, and don't know a lot about the subject, but I'm virtually certain a "subscription based accounting" method has little to do with whether the customer pays a monthly subscription fee (re: :apple:tv).

apsterling

Jan 17, 2008, 05:37 PM

Now charge for 12kb to modify the plist whatever it is... Does safari seem snappier?

Actually, yes. :p

GamecockMac

Jan 17, 2008, 07:12 PM

Compare that with the results of the Engadget poll:

Those opting for the upgrade: 6,908

Those annoyed by the charge and/or sticking with jailbreak: 24,169

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/15/poll-are-you-spending-20-on-new-ipod-touch-apps/

Think what you will about Engadget, but that's a pretty clear message to Apple.

Well, the number opting for the upgrade is up to 7,099 or 18.9% of people responding to the poll. Carry that percentage over to the 500,000 or so iPt owners and you get around 94,500 who pay the $20, which nets Apple $1.89 million. The "clear message" is they made nearly 2 million bucks to add to the Cupertino coffers vs. nothing if they had just given the apps away.

.Andy

Jan 17, 2008, 07:15 PM

Because there is jailbreak. And faith that Apple would change this. Now they changed it, for a price. Unbelievable.
Faith has lead someone astray again......

GamecockMac

Jan 17, 2008, 07:19 PM

jnc

Jan 17, 2008, 07:19 PM

Well, the number opting for the upgrade is up to 7,099 or 18.9% of people responding to the poll. Carry that percentage over to the 500,000 or so iPt owners and you get around 94,500 who pay the $20, which nets Apple $1.89 million. The "clear message" is they made nearly 2 million bucks to add to the Cupertino coffers vs. nothing if they had just given the apps away.

True, if Engadget was fully indicative of the iPt ownership... I'd bet the majority of iPt owners (the kind that don't browse gadget sites, don't know what "Macworld" is, bought a touch because it sounded/looked cool etc) would just see a $ sign and ignore the update.

GamecockMac

Jan 17, 2008, 07:29 PM

True, if Engadget was fully indicative of the iPt ownership... I'd bet the majority of iPt owners (the kind that don't browse gadget sites, don't know what "Macworld" is, bought a touch because it sounded/looked cool etc) would just see a $ sign and ignore the update.

I could make the counterargument that the majority of iPt owners aren't the type of never-satisfied geeks that would visit a gadget site like Engadget to whine about Apple's decision by voting in an online poll, have never heard the term "jailbreak" and associated it with an electronic device, and would be more likely to hear about the upgrade path through more mainstream media and think "Gee whiz, I can get new features for my iPod for $20? Where do I click?" So the percentage of owners who actually pay for the apps pack might in fact be considerably higher than 20%.

scotty96LSC

Jan 17, 2008, 07:38 PM

jnc

Jan 17, 2008, 07:48 PM

Make that 7,910. Great $20 spent with my iTunes gift card I got for my birthday. Happy and not bitching.:D

Well... that in part could be down to you not actually buying it. Had you not received a gift card would you still gone ahead and ponied up? I have other things to spend $20 of "real" money on, but if I was given some "Apple money" I would probably have no issue with the price either, if I really wanted the apps.

phytonix

Jan 17, 2008, 08:05 PM

Make that 7,910. Great $20 spent with my iTunes gift card I got for my birthday. Happy and not bitching.:D

technically, that $20 gift card is already Apple's, not yours. Spend it or not.

aethelbert

Jan 17, 2008, 08:38 PM

Well, the number opting for the upgrade is up to 7,099 or 18.9% of people responding to the poll. Carry that percentage over to the 500,000 or so iPt owners and you get around 94,500 who pay the $20, which nets Apple $1.89 million. The "clear message" is they made nearly 2 million bucks to add to the Cupertino coffers vs. nothing if they had just given the apps away.
Yeah, now all we need to know is what percentage of owners read engadget. Or what percent of the owners care enough to come online and complain. Or what percent of the owners thought that $20 was fair and didn't need to join a forum to bitch about it. Most people that did the upgrade won't come online to participate in polls that trash the price tag.