:( Dirty Money Making Scheme Protest

[Euanp]

Sorry, why should I pay anything for an update for my iTouch? This sucks. Don't say people who won't pay are cheap; this is a blatant money making scheme. We've already paid, why should us early adopters be punished? :eek: Yes; Apple are a business but that doesn't give them the right to exploit customers. Please don't turn into Micro$oft. :( We shouldn't put up with this as consumers. Please don't be blinded or star struck by the rest of the conference which has attempted to make nothing of this. It may only be $20 but we shouldn't put up with this, which should have been on the original product but they didn't have time! Of course, new buyers won't have to pay so it's win-win for apple. Money from new customers and theft from their loyal ones. NO MORE MICROTRANSACTIONS! We can stop this if shout loud enough.

[vwDavid]

I concure. Where is the app[le complaint URL when you need it.

Just post it here and I'll click it all day long...

[godisjustpreten]

http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipodtouch.html

[Euanp]

I concure. Where is the app[le complaint URL when you need it.

Just post it here and I'll click it all day long...

Opps I guess this is what you get when you're a newb and angry. Sorry :)

[delude]

Right, get a petition going and then once everybody is signed up we should spam the feedback form with the link.

This is terrible! Its just going to want to make more people go against Apple and Jailbreak!

[vwDavid]

Right, get a petition going and then once everybody is signed up we should spam the feedback form with the link.

This is terrible! Its just going to want to make more people go against Apple and Jailbreak!


Feedback sent!

[kshott]

this is such crap.

[CorTeX]

What a scam

[wannabe07]

Complete and total BS. What is SJ trying to do: screw the people who pay his salary????

[McBoberts]

Man, I was really excited when I went on :apple:.com and saw the new Touch update.

Then my heart sank when I saw the price. Totally sucks.

Anyone know if you can use your iTunes gift card on the upgrade?

[jasonmac21]

Price is horrible. I already sent feedback and encourage everyone else to do the same.

[uburoibob]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

[Aaleck]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

I can afford the $20 no problem, the fact is they should've gave us those programs in the first place. Then make us pay for them, after we've already boughten the $400 device. Then, on top of it, give it free to new owners. This has nothing to do with money or the price.

If you're loose on who you give your money too, send it on my way. It can help pay for the new graphics card I just bought.

[McBoberts]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:
Just because I can afford it doesn't mean I should have to pay for it.

This update should be free especially for people who bit the bullet and adopted the device in its infancy.

[IgnatiusTheKing]

While it does suck for those of you that have to do it, you are paying for a software upgrade. I've never heard anyone complain that a new version iWork costs money. No one (rationally) complained that Leopard wasn't free.

It's only $20.

[McBoberts]

While it does suck for those of you that have to do it, you are paying for a software upgrade. I've never heard anyone complain that a new version iWork costs money. No one (rationally) complained that Leopard wasn't free.

It's only $20.
If its free for new users, it should be free to veteran users.

[christopher3071]

I find it utterly atrocious that apple wants to charge me $20 for applications that they gave away on the iphone. That is absolute bull. A factor that made me buy the iPod touch was because apple said that they had other features down the line that they would be adding. I didn't expect to have to pay for such applications! I gave them $400+ of my money for an iPod touch and THEY WANT MORE?!?! Jailbreak it is. I am very pissed off. I love apple and have always granted them praise, but this is an outrage.

[dukebound85]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

i guess some people will defend apples every decision...

[-Dark Angel-]

-Sent in the $20 already- its cheap enough and it has some good updates. I rather send in 20 instead of buying a new touch for the updates.

[kshott]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

It's just bad form on Apple's part man. It's so blatantly planned. Wait until right after Xmas when they KNOW so many people will be getting the Touch as a gift, and then spring this on them.

I got the $20, but I damned sure ain't givin' it to Apple.

[md63]

I assume existing inventory of iPod Touch can be upgraded for free with these 5 applications. How does Apple track when the item was purchased? I bought two iPod Touch for Christmas, but only used one. The second unit is still unopened. If I registered the second unit today would I get the upgrade for free on the second unit? I purchased from Amazon and can still return both if that is required.

Thanks

[IgnatiusTheKing]

If its free for new users, it should be free to veteran users.

That's a good point.

I guess if it was $99 I would understand the outrage, but for $20 all I'd be is a little bummed.

[Pablo]

This really is curious. I wouldn't think the $20 would be worth the loss of goodwill that they are sure to see. They didn't charge for the update to the Apple TV, so why for the iPod?

[christopher3071]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

Because apple tv's update is totally free. That's why. Apple's greedy. Simple

[Aaleck]

i guess some people will defend apples every decision...


Steve Jobs: Give me $1000... oh and just one more thing... I'll give you this VERY super cool... sticker. Limited supply, so come quick!

Guy1: ALL RIGHT! *gets out credit card*

:rolleyes:

[negatv1]

While it does suck for those of you that have to do it, you are paying for a software upgrade. I've never heard anyone complain that a new version iWork costs money. No one (rationally) complained that Leopard wasn't free.

It's only $20.


Except for the fact that AppleTv gets a (much needed) software upgrade for free. Ditto for the iPhone. It's not like the iPod touch is cheap, it's the same price as an iPhone at the high end.

If Apple was universal in charging for added features/software upgrades then I guess I could better understand the logic. Yes, it's only $20 - but $20 that I will spend elsewhere.

[dukebound85]

This really is curious. I wouldn't think the $20 would be worth the loss of goodwill that they are sure to see. They didn't charge for the update to the Apple TV, so why for the iPod?

because the update to apple tv will give them money when people use it lol

ipod touch update...not so much

[IgnatiusTheKing]

Because apple tv's update is totally free. That's why. Apple's greedy. Simple

Apple TV was a flop. Apparently Touch is not.

[djibouti33]

Just filed a bug report from the link posted above:

"Surely this can't be a feature! You're charging $20 for an updgrade that should have been included in the original release!! And not only that, but you're going to give it away for free to new customers! That's a load of crap. You're software might be running smooth, but your pricing policies are full of showstoppers."

[nw43]

If its free for new users, it should be free to veteran users.

This isn't a very convincing counterpoint to the argument above, given that Leopard isn't free to 'veteran' users.

Whilst I certainly would have liked Apple to give these away free and think they probably should have done, they are by no means obliged to. Really, we're being asked to pay extra for some additional functionality - they're not exactly essential for usage of the product. When (if?) games are eventually released we won't be expecting to get these for free. Not that much of a difference really...

[Josheua]

Guys, Stop thinking of your iPod Touch as an all in one product and start thinking of it as a portable system. You are using an OSX based device. Like an earlier post mentioned, this is like iWork. If you want the upgrade, pay for it. If you don't, don't. Apple has a right to charge for software (and include it in updates if they see fit). You didn't see people complaining that they didn't get spaces, the new dock, and Stacks free when Leopard came out!!!! So suck it up and pay if you want it, if you don't, then don't.

[McBoberts]

That's a good point.

I guess if it was $99 I would understand the outrage, but for $20 all I'd be is a little bummed.
Thats what I am, bummed.

I'm not going to light torches and get out a pitchfork and go riot, but I'm disappointed in the decision.

[andrew050703]

I've sent feedback - it just seems really greedy to charge for what you already give new customers for no extra cost. Bad apple :mad:

edit: but I still want it & have forked out

[dasmb]

Heh, yeah it's a money making scheme! In fact, don't tell anybody but EVERYTHING Apple does is a money making scheme.

See, they're what's called a "Company," operating in an environment called "Capitalism."

I mean, heck. I had to pay for my lunch EVERY DAY THIS WEEK down at the commissary. WTF? I just paid for lunch yesterday! Where mah free sammich?

Either pay for the upgrade or go without, it's your choice. As is whining about it.

[negatv1]

Keep up to date in the iPod touch hacks forums and you'll likely see the new "updates" available the same way Mail and stocks, and notes, and a usable iCal have been available for months...

[Quasiportnoy]

Jailbreak. Duh.:rolleyes:

[dukebound85]

i have the eerie feeling once the sdk comes out, you will have to buy the apps through apple

[wannabe07]

This really feels like an attempt by Apple to piss off those who have jailbroken their IPTs, while at the same time discouraging new buyers against hacking.

I can certainly see everyone's points of view, but I still think it's ludicrous. I'm not sure who said it, but it does seem rather ironic that they waited until after Christmas, after EVERYONE got an IPT, to release this little "update."

[bluefiberoptics]

Jailbreak. Duh.:rolleyes:
I'm with him.

[McBoberts]

This isn't a very convincing counterpoint to the argument above, given that Leopard isn't free to 'veteran' users.

Whilst I certainly would have liked Apple to give these away free and think they probably should have done, they are by no means obliged to. Really, we're being asked to pay extra for some additional functionality - they're not exactly essential for usage of the product. When (if?) games are eventually released we won't be expecting to get these for free. Not that much of a difference really...
No, it makes no sense to penalize me for adopting this product blindly. I expect a bone every once in a while for hopping on a product the day it was released (after the keynote I bought a Touch and new nano).

When I bought my MBP within a certain amount of time, I got Leopard for $10. That was a classy and savvy business move.

Now you've just irritated people and convinced people they should continue to circumvent your software to get it on the cheap.

I'm dissapointed in the powers that be at Apple.

[andrew050703]

Heh, yeah it's a money making scheme! In fact, don't tell anybody but EVERYTHING Apple does is a money making scheme....

Either pay for the upgrade or go without, it's your choice. As is whining about it.

Yeah, but we didn't pay for the upgrade that changed the functionality of the iCal "bug" that meant we couldn't add calendar entries

[Merkin]

i just called apple tech support and spoke to bryan about the touch upgrade. he told me that if you do not pay the twenty dollars to upgrade the ipod touch, you will be stuck with firmware version 1.1.2 in perpetuity, so if your ipod goes buggy or something else happens, you will essentially be forced to upgrade or to keep using old firmware. considering the way that the upgrading works in itunes, if you have to reset your ipod, it will come down to using 1.1.1 (reset to factory settings) or paying twenty dollars. this is extortion.

[dukebound85]

i just called apple tech support and spoke to bryan about the touch upgrade. he told me that if you do not pay the twenty dollars to upgrade the ipod touch, you will be stuck with firmware version 1.1.2 in perpetuity, so if your ipod goes buggy or something else happens, you will essentially be forced to upgrade or to keep using old firmware. considering the way that the upgrading works in itunes, if you have to reset your ipod, it will come down to using 1.1.1 (reset to factory settings) or paying twenty dollars. this is extortion.

for real? if so definitly time to jailbreak for me

[nw43]

i just called apple tech support and spoke to bryan about the touch upgrade. he told me that if you do not pay the twenty dollars to upgrade the ipod touch, you will be stuck with firmware version 1.1.2 in perpetuity, so if your ipod goes buggy or something else happens, you will essentially be forced to upgrade or to keep using old firmware. considering the way that the upgrading works in itunes, if you have to reset your ipod, it will come down to using 1.1.1 (reset to factory settings) or paying twenty dollars. this is extortion.

Hmm...not sure about this. From what I can tell version 1.1.3 is a software update whereas the new apps are a software upgrade. Can anyone confirm?

[hecks]

i just called apple tech support and spoke to bryan about the touch upgrade. he told me that if you do not pay the twenty dollars to upgrade the ipod touch, you will be stuck with firmware version 1.1.2 in perpetuity, so if your ipod goes buggy or something else happens, you will essentially be forced to upgrade or to keep using old firmware. considering the way that the upgrading works in itunes, if you have to reset your ipod, it will come down to using 1.1.1 (reset to factory settings) or paying twenty dollars. this is extortion.

Way to go Apple tech!

The firmware update to 1.1.3 is free - others are doing it right now. The 5 new apps will cost. Obviously with the firmware flashed to 1.1.2, 'factory settings' becomes 1.1.2, not 1.1.1.

I'm speechless at the sheer and utter lameness of Apple's decision to go this way. No doubt it has something to do with the upcoming SDK. :(

[TheSpaz]

I'm not trying to be a fan-boy but, geeze... Apple doesn't have to give everything away for free... You should be happy!

[andrew050703]

Hmm...not sure about this. From what I can tell version 1.1.3 is a software update whereas the new apps are a software upgrade. Can anyone confirm?

I didn't notice any flashing messages saying "we'll take $20 thanks" when I downloaded it - I wasn't logged in to itunes store so i'm guessing 1.1.3 is different to the apps

[Merkin]

this may be a case of the tech support people not knowing what they are talking about. i hope it is.

i can't decide which will cause a bigger uproar- charging people twenty bucks for these apps, or the day when apple eats crow and releases them for free a la the 100 dollar gift card for iphone early adopters?

up until today i had been adamant about not jailbreaking my touch, but i think i shall have to do some research and learn how it is done.

[megatronbomb]

Pfft... figures, I just ordered my Touch yesterday.

Not impressed.

[Darkjenso]

now i dont really care either way, but here are a few points i'd thought i'd make

the thing says its a January only, so does this mean that we'll be unable to update or it'll cost more later?
this could be measure to stop people waiting till the hackers are able to get around the new version to update.

all our iPods are pritty new, so, what would happen if saaaay, my ipod *accidentally* breaks some how and i decide to trade it in on the warranty?

is it even possible to jailbreak the new version. they've mannaged to keep up out of the new iphone software over here in the UK.

one thing is that the iPhone seems to have the latest update for free, which is a little cruel i think

what do you all think?

[hecks]

I'm not trying to be a fan-boy but, geeze... Apple doesn't have to give everything away for free... You should be happy!

You've officially lost all credibility on this forum.

[atszyman]

Would everyone be as outraged if they had reduced the price of the iPod Touch by $20 and made everyone pay for the apps? When new iLife apps or new features in the OS come out, legacy users don't get them for free despite new computer buyers getting the new products.

If the iPod Touch had undergone a hardware update to add new functionality? Would you still complain that buyers of new iPod Touches are getting the added functionality for the same price that you paid in the past?

[xstorm101]

I allready have the 5 apps on my iPod Touch because I jailbreaked it, and I can tell you they're not worth the 20$. Maybe mail is worth like 5 bucks, but the rest are a bit useless to me. Anyway I can't wait for 1.1.3 to be jailbroken, so I can have customisable gui. But then I allready have that from the Customise aplication, so... it's not even worth the hassle to update my device :D. My advice is to stick to your jailbroken 1.1.2 people. And if you didn't jailbreak it yet, you are missing out on A LOT of features for sure...

[megatronbomb]

They'll probably start giving it away for free starting Feb 1. :D

[christopher3071]

Would everyone be as outraged if they had reduced the price of the iPod Touch by $20 and made everyone pay for the apps? When new iLife apps or new features in the OS come out, legacy users don't get them for free despite new computer buyers getting the new products.

If the iPod Touch had undergone a hardware update to add new functionality? Would you still complain that buyers of new iPod Touches are getting the added functionality for the same price that you paid in the past?

Nope. We wouldn't. Because I see the reason for paying for iLife when a new version comes out. This $20, I cannot see. So no.

[Markleshark]

I must admit, I was disappointed to see it was £12.99, but I've paid and now I think it's worth it.

[delude]

Sign the petition;)

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ipod-touch-update-fee

[ChiChi]

*sighs* I should have waited. Not only did they lower the price of the iPod touch, you also get the new apps for free. So the big die hard apple fans who ordered when announched has a loss of almost 50 euro (74 dollars).

That is seriously not fair.

[GamecockMac]

Pfft... figures, I just ordered my Touch yesterday.

Not impressed.

Knowing the keynote was today?

Not the brightest move ever.

[theman]

you have to admit, it's a pretty good business strategy... leave usefull features off for no reason, and then offer them months later for $20. nice work steve.

[theman]

Knowing the keynote was today?

Not the brightest move ever.

agreed, i was hoping there would be an iphone-like pricedrop, or some sort of hardware change like larger storage capacity. nope. just dumb mail, notes and weather... useless.

[Merkin]

there is a big difference between a hardware upgrade and this farce. with a hardware upgrade, there is usually a decent value for your money involved. i am fairly certain that there is little to no code in this update that did not come straight over from the iphone. if apple can drop the price of the iphone and release its updates for free, why not release the update for the ipod for free? it is a blatant attempt to screw us out of another twenty bucks after we have already spent three or four hundred dollars, not counting the ten bucks that most ipod touch users probably spent trying out the novelty of being able to buy songs from itunes directly on to the touch while they are out drinking coffee.

[delude]

Yeah, I know people will say 'its only $20/£12' but that’s not the point! Existing iPod Touch owners have to pay this fee, when new customers don't!

Write your comments, tell them what you think and sign the petition below!
(I'm new to online petitions but I believe that when the target is reached, there will be an option to send the email off. The target can be changed, so I'll see how it goes)

SIGN BELOW!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ipod-touch-update-fee

[Shanesan]

http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipodtouch.html

My Feedback:

I want to thank Apple Inc. for attempting to wrench $20 out of my pocket after I had already invested 400 of such cash into my iPod Touch. When I paid for this product, I was expecting to receive, as I always have from Apple before, the appropriate software updates - new features or not, that I paid for when I initially purchased the product. I see this is not the case.

First with the Wireless N thing on Macbook Pros, then slashing the price, screwing the early adopters of the iPhone, not this? Will you be charging me for OS 10.5 updates now? If thats the case, Linux is calling my name.

I understand that money makes the world go round, and so is the reason I spent good money ~up front~ to deal with this.

I don't know what Jobs, or whoever is coming up with this Corporate Greed structure, is thinking, but I am ~NOT!~ at all happy with this, and it makes me question if I shall ever purchase a product from you again. When will Apple try to scum me out of a few dollars again? Next month with the next update? Not even MICROSOFT scums the top of their surface like this.

Wasn't 400 dollars enough? The scum caked on the top of the Apple Inc. aluminum finish is starting to smell like a bog.

[delude]

Shanesan, please show your anger in the petition :D

[uburoibob]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

[megatronbomb]

Knowing the keynote was today?

Not the brightest move ever.

Technically it was a gift and was bought for me yesterday and is due to arrive Thursday. I didn't really have a say in when it was bought. ;)

[Shanesan]

Would everyone be as outraged if they had reduced the price of the iPod Touch by $20 and made everyone pay for the apps? When new iLife apps or new features in the OS come out, legacy users don't get them for free despite new computer buyers getting the new products.

If the iPod Touch had undergone a hardware update to add new functionality? Would you still complain that buyers of new iPod Touches are getting the added functionality for the same price that you paid in the past?

This is not iPod Touch 2007. This is iPod Touch: Current Revision. We are not legacy. The only thing Legacy about us is that we were once Apple faithful.

If the iPod Touch had undergone a hardware update, we'd be sad because we'd be out buying another iPod for 400 bucks if we deemed we needed one. I don't need 32GB yet, so I don't have to update.

However, they are trying to gouge you for a SOFTWARE PATCH. Those people who don't think the computer is some magical box knows the difference between software and hardware.
For one: Software takes up nanometers of space in the world, while hardware does not.
For two: Software usually comes packed in some form of hardware. Without the hardware, the software would not exist.
For three: If the hardware is broken or impoverished due to software, legit companies patch it because you spent good money on the hardware and their reputation shalt not be tarnished. Or, if they don't like to be legit, they can slap money on a patch and watch as people don't buy it and hack it themselves.


Like I said previously, would you enjoy it if Apple started charging you for 10.5 updates? Slaves to the system.

[TheSpaz]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

I agree... $20 is almost nothing compared to the price of the iPod touch... plus, I bet we've spent over $20 already on just iPod touch accessories already... stop being whiners and just like it that Apple is giving us more options. It's okay... People will complain no matter what Apple does... if they're not giving it away for free... people will whine.

[-Dark Angel-]

Can I just have a lighter and gasoline please..??

[gkarris]

It's Sarbanes-Oxley, people, not Apple.

We decided at work to opt out of their "compliance strategy" because we were doing wierd things to our customers to be compliant as well...

[Shanesan]

It's Sarbanes-Oxley, people, not Apple.

We decided at work to opt out of their "compliance strategy" because we were doing wierd things to our customers to be compliant as well...

And Ron Paul voted against that. Ron Paul '08, anyone?

[Eraserhead]

97886

[Mercury7]

sure makes me happy I have jailbreak....got all those apps for free months ago......

I like some of the 1.3 features though.....waiting for it in my installer app now :):)

[atszyman]

This is not iPod Touch 2007. This is iPod Touch: Current Revision. We are not legacy. The only thing Legacy about us is that we were once Apple faithful.

And if I buy a new Mac computer over 30 days before the release of a new OS or iLife I don't get those for free, or a discount either, I'm expected to pay for the software upgrades just like everyone else, regardless of if my hardware is current or not.


However, they are trying to gouge you for a SOFTWARE PATCH. Those people who don't think the computer is some magical box knows the difference between software and hardware.

This is not a patch, it's an application suite. By your logic Leopard was just a software patch.


For one: Software takes up nanometers of space in the world, while hardware does not.
For two: Software usually comes packed in some form of hardware. Without the hardware, the software would not exist.
For three: If the hardware is broken or impoverished due to software, legit companies patch it because you spent good money on the hardware and their reputation shalt not be tarnished. Or, if they don't like to be legit, they can slap money on a patch and watch as people don't buy it and hack it themselves.

According to others in this thread the 1.1.3 version of the iPod Touch software is still free to download, the applications are an additional download. Contrary to your point most software does not come bundled with hardware. MS Office and most other applications come in their own box and can be bought regardless of whether or not you have the hardware to run it on.

These are applications that add functionality to the iPod Touch that was not previously there just as iLife offers functionality to my PowerBook that was not previously there. I don't expect to get Application updates for free just because I'm running on current hardware why should this be any different?


Like I said previously, would you enjoy it if Apple started charging you for 10.5 updates? Slaves to the system.

But at the same rate I didn't expect them to give 10.5 to everyone who happened to be on the latest hardware revision (excepting the discount for those who purchased within a certain window).

[mrgreen4242]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

1) No, I won't spend $20 at Starbucks.
2) Since $20 is no big deal to you, would you mind Paypaling me just $10? In exchange I'll tell you how great and wonder you AND Steve Jobs are.

[delude]

Real smooth guys.

Forums are for opinions, no? Some people just think it’s a little out. I will probably pay the money for the apps when I actually get my iPod back from repair, but still don't think that we should have to.

I don't want to annoy anybody or fall out over this, lol.

[mrgreen4242]

It's Sarbanes-Oxley, people, not Apple.

We decided at work to opt out of their "compliance strategy" because we were doing wierd things to our customers to be compliant as well...

If that's the case, explain the AppleTV and iPhone updates today.

[astrostu]

Why do I have to put down my street address on this petition?

[delude]

Gawd knows. I only signed up to the site when creating the petition, but I believe when you sign it it also makes an account on the site for you, so that you van sign other petitions etc. Maybe its just there to find out where abouts you are signing from?

[Badandy]

Heh, yeah it's a money making scheme! In fact, don't tell anybody but EVERYTHING Apple does is a money making scheme.

See, they're what's called a "Company," operating in an environment called "Capitalism."

I mean, heck. I had to pay for my lunch EVERY DAY THIS WEEK down at the commissary. WTF? I just paid for lunch yesterday! Where mah free sammich?

Either pay for the upgrade or go without, it's your choice. As is whining about it.

DING DING DING DING.

[dukebound85]

1) this isnt like a tiger to leopard upgrade. its 1.1.2 to 1.1.3. they are like upgrades to leopard and those are free right?

just wanted to set that straight

however, as pissed as i am, its not new in industry. who get upset when say directtv gives promos on new boxes or programming to new customers while existing ones cant get the same deal?

for me i dont need these apps. weather? i can use my computer, and chances are if i dont have my comp, ive been outside and dont need a device to state the obvious. same as mail and other apps. if im in a wifi zone, i have access to a computer. this is why i dont really browse on my touch

i mean its not like the touch has edge to have access to the data at all times. you need to be in a hotspot. and im willing to bet most of us have a computer to access in a hot spot. if not, most of these apps can be used via the interent on the device anyway

[Badandy]

1) this isnt like a tiger to leopard upgrade. its 1.1.2 to 1.1.3. they are like upgrades to leopard and those are free right?

just wanted to set that straight



You can get 1.1.3 without paying money for the added uses. These are programs, like Microsoft Office, that cost money.


Apple makes products I want. I pay them money in return. If they make a product I don't want, I don't pay the money. I don't run around with a pitchfork and complain...

[gkarris]

If that's the case, explain the AppleTV and iPhone updates today.

No new Apps. :apple:TV already accessed media off the internet and iTunes store. The iPhone were just extra enhancements to existing apps.

New apps bringing new features (maps app and notes for Touch) SOX says you have to charge customers for...

[atszyman]

1) this isnt like a tiger to leopard upgrade. its 1.1.2 to 1.1.3. they are like upgrades to leopard and those are free right?

just wanted to set that straight

Way to go Apple tech!

The firmware update to 1.1.3 is free - others are doing it right now. The 5 new apps will cost. Obviously with the firmware flashed to 1.1.2, 'factory settings' becomes 1.1.2, not 1.1.1.

And the update is still free, it's only the apps that cost $20. Just think of it as a price cut of $20 in the iPod Touch line and all new buyers are forced to buy the $20 application suite to get the Touch whether they want it or not. You all managed to save $20 if you don't want the suite. Would you have paid $20 more for the Touch if you could have had these applications when you bought it?

For the record, I would have expected this to be a free upgrade, and was genuinely shocked when the $20 price tag was announced, but it's their software and they are free to charge for it if they want to.

[kshott]

but it's their software and they are free to charge for it if they want to.

And they're free to bite me.

[delude]

Just wondering...does anybody have a digg account that they could post the link on, just to see if it would actually do anything? :D

Thanks

[mizelly41]

Well of course Apple can charge for these programs. They could charge $100 for them if they wanted. They could charge for regular update to Leopard if they wanted. But do they? NO
And for the people saying that they are charging for the apps and not the update.
Did the Iphone have the Itunes Music Store on it when it first came out?
No.
Why didn't Iphone owners have to pay for that?

[Godric]

Get real. No one cares about internet petitions. If you want to get the update for free, pirate it.

[delude]

Ummm....Thaks for that.

[dehgenog]

Isn't this fee the result of the SOX act?

[phytonix]

Signed. More people please!

[TheSpaz]

Get real. No one cares about internet petitions. If you want to get the update for free, pirate it.

Can't pirate the update... the only way to get it is to buy it... it's integrated into iTunes.

[macRat17]

absolutely unfair. I am hoping they will change their mind and give the updates for free. Hold off till next week people!

[notjustjay]

Can't pirate the update... the only way to get it is to buy it... it's integrated into iTunes.

Then wait for the inevitable jailbreak.

I wish these updates were free, too. However, I'm quite happy with my jailbroken 1.1.1 Touch with all these apps and more.

I will continue to be happy with it, too, until one of the following happens:
- Apple changes its mind and releases these apps for free
- The iPhone is released in Canada and I end up cross-grading
- I destroy my iPod to the point of needing replacement

In any case Apple is not getting my $20.

(The latter is not out of the question... just last Sunday I dropped it on pavement and scratched up the bezel :mad: Really kicking myself for not buying that case I saw at Wal-Mart for $15)

I'm not happy about the $20 upgrade path, but they could also have released it as a new updated Touch with a new part number, and then all of us with existing units would have NO options but to sell it and buy the new one. Like all those guys who bought the AEBS before Time Capsule was released.

[atszyman]

Did the Iphone have the Itunes Music Store on it when it first came out?
No.
Why didn't Iphone owners have to pay for that?

Maybe the difference is that the iTunes Store is free on every other platform, where these apps are not available for free download anywhere else and their cost is already rolled into the iPhone and OS X price.

[tguilliams]

Just wondering...does anybody have a digg account that they could post the link on, just to see if it would actually do anything? :D

Thanks

Someone already dugg the Feedback link:


http://digg.com/apple/Show_Apple_That_20_For_A_Software_Update_Is_Unacceptable

[Hls811]

If that's the case, explain the AppleTV and iPhone updates today.

Those were updates to pre-esisting software on the devices.

Mail, Widgets, Notes, and Maps are not currently on the iPod Touch so there is nothing to update.




my IPT is currently jailbroken but I do have random issues with some apps - I have no problem paying the $20, especially knowing I'll have to pay for apps in teh future when the SDK is released - I'm sure not many of those 3rd party apps will be free - but at least there'll be a level of support.

[mizelly41]

Maybe the difference is that the iTunes Store is free on every other platform, where these apps are not available for free download anywhere else and their cost is already rolled into the iPhone and OS X price.

I have Mail and I can get a weather widget on my macbook for free?

[nickster9224]

apple cmon these should be free. ive have my touch less than a month.

[Hls811]

Someone already dugg the Feedback link:


http://digg.com/apple/Show_Apple_That_20_For_A_Software_Update_Is_Unacceptable



Too bad that link is giving out incorrect information:
"Apple has very recently announced that the 1.1.3 firmware update for the iPod touch will cost $20."

The firmware is NOT $20. The Firmware is FREE. The additional apps - IF YOU WANT THEM are $20.00. You are not required to purchase them.

[Macinva]

I sent my feedback as well.

I'm not expecting a refund but a $20 credit in Itunes would satisfy me.

[atszyman]

I have Mail and I can get a weather widget on my macbook for free?

I don't know about you but my OS X upgrades came with Mail and Weather widgets, and I paid over $100 for them. Who's to say that the price of those apps aren't rolled into the OS X price? Yes it appears free since it just comes with your computer/OS, but you paid for the computer/OS to get the apps. Show me where to download Mail.app for free, or show me where to download the default Weather widget...

[macfan881]

Heres what im annoeyd about i dont mind spending 20 bucks for the updates rember this was a IPOD at first the other features were nice to have what eerks me is that the new people who buy this will get it for free i say if your gonna do this make everyone pay the 20 bucks..

[Madmic23]

Remember when Leopard came out, if you had recently purchased a Mac without Leopard pre installed you would get it for free? Don't you think they should do the same here?
Granted, I think it should be free for everyone, but why not at least give it to people who just bought an iPod Touch? It just makes sense.

[maxrobertson]

If its free for new users, it should be free to veteran users.

That's like saying people should have to pay for Leopard after buying a Mac because people who bought a Mac with Tiger have to pay for it. It's simple, the features aren't that great, so don't buy them. Or if they are, do buy them. You can also get the apps on there for free if you jailbreak it, so quit whining. I understand it's annoying and I'd be annoyed too, but I wouldn't come on here and complain, I just wouldn't pay for it.

[chris200x9]

my exact feedback :p

I think charging 20 dollars for an update is ridiculous when the iphone and apple tv updates are free. I can see the rationale behind the iphone update being free, since we were told of features to come. The ipod touch owners were not, but neither were apple tv owners and they have a free update. Anyway I think it's pretty poor to charge for 5 new apps and in closing I would like to leave you with this why should people who made you *more* money be charged while people who made you *less* money are not? My reasoning behind this is the people who already have it have already given you their money so you could have occurred interest over the amount of time since they bought it, while the new users just gave you there money. So really why are the people who bought long ago being punished for giving you *more* money?

[Mercury7]

just for info....if you do decide to pay the 20.00 then you will find the mail app alone worth it...when I jailbroke my touch the mail app made it a new device....the other apps are cool but the mail app rocks....I use imap with gmail

[LizKat]

now i dont really care either way, but here are a few points i'd thought i'd make <snip> what do you all think?

i THINK i've never seen so much brouhaha over twenty bucks in my life and I've been on the planet a long time.

now i do definitely remember what it's like to be an extremely broke student, don't get me wrong. But really. This is $20 in 2008 dollars. C'mon. One can beg rides from friends for a couple weeks, save $20 on gas and get the upgrade.

most of the carrying on here is trollsome, imfho :) have a nice day :)

[thegrandmaster]

I'm disgusted at the blatant rip-off, feedback sent!

[mizelly41]

i THINK i've never seen so much brouhaha over twenty bucks in my life and I've been on the planet a long time.

now i do definitely remember what it's like to be an extremely broke student, don't get me wrong. But really. This is $20 in 2008 dollars. C'mon. One can beg rides from friends for a couple weeks, save $20 on gas and get the upgrade.

most of the carrying on here is trollsome, imfho :) have a nice day :)

I think most people are not upset that it is $20. Most people are upset that they have to pay any amount for these apps.

[AoWolf]

It's not just the apps that are $20. I installed the update, and still cannot do the new wallpaper, home, and dock customization.

[macfan881]

ill admit its funny though how people whine bout stuff like this but you never here any one complains over The Online games paying 50 bucks for the game than 15 or more for the service :rolleyes:

[iJiten]

Well I already have these apps, so I'm not upgrading the firmware. I think the only reason that they're charging is so AT&T doesn't get pissed. Apple may be giving some of the money made from the upgrade and portion of the money made from the new iPod touches to AT&T, although I doubt it. Just my two cents.

[Spizzo]

I think most people are not upset that it is $20. Most people are upset that they have to pay any amount for these apps.

Yeah, seems kind of ridiculous for a company that makes software to charge for it!!!:rolleyes:

[AoWolf]

ill admit its funny though how people whine bout stuff like this but you never here any one complains over The Online games paying 50 bucks for the game than 15 or more for the service :rolleyes:

Yeah because it costs apple millions of dollars a week to host iPhone updates...


Apple has no problem giving iPhone users the update free. Oh and apple Apple TV users got theirs for freeOh and new iPod users who buy the same hardware at the same price get it for free.

[Spizzo]

Yeah because it costs apple millions of dollars a week to host iPhone updates...

Apple has no problem giving iPhone users the update free.

Apple makes money off each iPhone contract each month, right?

Oh and apple Apple TV users got theirs for freeOh and new iPod users who buy the same hardware at the same price get it for free.

ATV doesn't sell like iPods. By upgrading the ATV apple stands to make more money off of rentals, and hope rentals will lead to more ATV sales. So it only makes sense to upgrade them for free.

By not giving you the New Apps for free, you don't lose the ability to view rentals on your touch. So how does it benefit apple? You still get a free update, just like the ATV!

[surferfromuk]

There's a real easy solution to this 'dilemma' your all facing ;

DON'T BUY THEM!

Just stick with the super sexy Apple Ipod Touch you already own and ( I'm guessing love right?) and you get to keep your $20

It's not a compulsory purchase!

Those of us who want the apps can just be glad that Apple are even letting us get them onto our touches.

$20 for google maps and mail - it's a no brainer for me!

4 months in and my touch just 'leveled up' for a few bucks!!

What a good day!!

[toxicbomber]

Actually it's I'm for Apple on this one. If you want new features for the iPhone apps that were customized just for the touch then by god you have to pay for them. :D Works fine for me!

[MvdM]

Sent it and told them that if they don't offer them for free I never buy Apple again. Selected xp/2000 as my os (= not true) , hehe.

[hierobryan]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:

people like you are the reason why people like APPLE came up with this ********. you want to waste your money? go ahead.

[ScottFitz]

I've never jail broken my touch. Figured it wasn't worth the hassle. I'm not a guy that really wants or needs those apps mostly because I have what I think is the best cell phone on the market (HTC TyTN2). I use it for work and for all those apps that they're charging 20 bucks for.

But, I think this method of cash extraction from people that just bought their touch over x-mas, like I did, is poor form. Bad mojo if you ask me. I already sent them a complaint form.

Now, I'm not militant over it, but I will be buying my son a laptop as he graduates soon and will be going to college. The plan had been to buy a macbook or a nice pc. Now I'm not so sure. Why? Cuz I have a bad taste in my mouth over the way they are handling the touch upgrade. Screwing people over isn't right.

[Nayrb]

Wasn't the initial $400 enough, not to mention the $18 tax?
Giving these free would keep many more people loyal for something actually worth paying for.

Guess I'll be sticking with my jailbroken iPt for now.

[toxicbomber]

Guys I'll just be honest with you. This little fee is just to keep the cell phone provides cool. If they just said HERE YA GO GUYS and slap them on the touch then it would really piss off the carriers. Nearly ALL of the money you pay goes straight to the cell phone provides. Source? Of for the love of god. You wouldn't believe where I heard it. :rolleyes:

[LtRammstein]

I don't know if someone has tried to explain why, but if so, I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm repeating.

First off, you take a RISK whenever you purchase a new device, period. You can't always have the latest greatest thing at the time and not expect something better to come out later.

Second, this sounds like the iPhone price drop thing. Remember Jobs' letter? COME ON! Technology is always changing. My programming professor doesn't want us to buy books, why? Because they are out of date a day or two after being published.

Third, it's an optional update! You can purchase the software upgrade, but do you really need to? No! The iPhone is closer to a PDA than the Touch, so don't expect them to be nearly the same.

20 dollars for a upgrade of software that most people might not need. You can't really use the Map app when you're on the road, unless you are using a satellite car. The Stock and Weather apps are nice to have, but with the Stocks... It's easier to just use your computer for that. Email, same thing!

Don't get me wrong these apps might work for you in what you do, but for the general public, it's not necessary.

So if you think about it, it's a steal! 20 bucks to get you all the same apps the iPhone has WITHOUT THE MONTHLY FEES! So stop complaining.

[volk]

Yeah, seems kind of ridiculous for a company that makes software to charge for it!!!:rolleyes:


That's not really the point here. The point is that this is a way to gain a smaller measure of price parity between the iPhone and iPod Touch. If you own an iPod Touch vs. an iPhone, why did you pick the Touch? I picked the iPod Touch because I didn't want to pay more for cell phone functionality and a long term contract with AT&T. Cost was a big factor here.

Now, I realize that Apple isn't really doing anything wrong by charging a fee for this software, but it gives the impression that iPod Touch users are being punished for not buying the iPhone. It would be one thing if Apple took the iPod Touch applications in a new direction, but what they are really doing is telling their users that if you want similar functionality to the iPhone, you can pay to get the EXACT same applications on your Touch. There is no new app in this group, nor is their any unique functionality specific to Touch users.

It's not unethical for Apple to do this, it's just stupid. They will generate far more bad will amongst their consumers than they will recoup with the software fee. The only way this strategy is a success is if Apple is truly interested in furthering the Jailbreak movement, because most of the Jailbreak fence sitters are going to do it now.

Me, I'm just going to skate along on a hacked 1.1.2 with the Apple apps for free.

[atszyman]

Just think of it this way:

The iPod Touch today got a $20 price drop. (Are you mad now?)

New buyers of the iPod Touch will be required to spend $20 on this app suite in order to purchase an iPod Touch.

What if the new iPod Touch buyer has no use for the apps? They were now forced into purchasing a $20 application suite they may never use. Existing owners at least got a choice. If you bought it in the last 14 days you should be able to argue that you can get them free, so that makes the cost to you of less than $1.43 per day for the privilege of using you're iPod Touch for the last two weeks while other people were Touchless...

[Pippen Man]

Has an update ever cost money before for an iPod/iPhone/:apple:TV/Mac OS X (other then from Panther to Tiger, etc,)?

No, I've sent my feedback, and yes, I wrote a very angry letter.:mad:

They can't do this to us, just because were early adopters. What I should do now is give my iPod touch a fatal error and take it to the Apple Store and ask for a new, 1.1.3 iPod touch in return.:apple:

[atszyman]

Has an update ever cost money before for an iPod/iPhone/:apple:TV/Mac OS X (other then from Panther to Tiger, etc,)?


They've been charging for games (new applications) on the iPod for well over a year now, and most games cost $5. Five apps for $20 is a good deal. It would be nicer if it was $5 apiece and all five for $20 so that if you don't need them all you can get only the one or two you want.

[apsterling]

I'm fine with paying for Maps, and to a slightly lesser extent, Mail, but $20 for these is absurd. Maybe $10- the price of two games, is better. For the fact that the other three are essentially widgets- there's no point in paying for them, I'll just code one and post it on my iMac.

I sent a letter to "Steve" to complain, I hope to see something back.

[jmpage2]

Good show Apple. We talk up the Touch to friends and family and help you sell millions of the bastards and you pay us back by charging us $20 for software that should have come free on day of purchase.

Your ******** story about "Accounting problems" and having to charge us the $20 is just that, a ******** story.

If MS pulled this people would be screaming like a lynch mob but too many people want to spooge all over Steve Jobs shoes and let this kind of crap slide.

[surferfromuk]

What I find funny is all these 'threats' to go back to Windows Xp and the like.

That's hilarious!!..

So because you don't want to spend $20 for some extra apps ( that never came with your product when you bought it and you don't 'apparently want') your going to go WASTE a ton of money buying what YOU KNOW to be second rate junk just to 'show Apple'..

Well, whilst your putting yourself back into the dark ages of technology we'll still be here loving Apple kit, buying it ( yeah that's right - paying for things we like that are 'amazing') and just generally being really happy about our technology - and lots of other people will be wising up and buying Apple kit to replace the handful who 'went nuts over $20'...

I mean that's a cab fare isn't it?


So...go knock yourselves out - the choice is yours...

[jasonmac21]

ill admit its funny though how people whine bout stuff like this but you never here any one complains over The Online games paying 50 bucks for the game than 15 or more for the service :rolleyes:

Actually, they do complain about the monthly fee. However, the monthly fee is justified since programmers work tirelessly to add quests, gear, fix balancing issues and other bugs. They do charge (usually $20) for substantial upgrades, but they are usually huge upgrades and released a year after the initial game was released.

Apple is releasing programs that have already been written and working with the Touch (as evident by the fact that they are on my Touch right now). They had to change nothing, save the "sent from my iphone" message in mail, to release them for the Touch for free. Instead, they have the balls to charge $20 for FREE programs. I mean really, you can download them as widgets for free on a Mac (or very similar ones).

We'll see how investors react to the keynote and the quarter. Intel didn't meet guidance, I expect AAPL to do the same. Interesting Jobs didn't announce ipod sales...

[volk]

Just think of it this way:

The iPod Touch today got a $20 price drop. (Are you mad now?)

New buyers of the iPod Touch will be required to spend $20 on this app suite in order to purchase an iPod Touch.

What if the new iPod Touch buyer has no use for the apps? They were now forced into purchasing a $20 application suite they may never use. Existing owners at least got a choice. If you bought it in the last 14 days you should be able to argue that you can get them free, so that makes the cost to you of less than $1.43 per day for the privilege of using you're iPod Touch for the last two weeks while other people were Touchless...

Your analogy is bad...the Touch didn't get a price drop, it got a price increase. Christmas buyers just payed $20 more for their iPod than today's buyers for an e-mail client and a couple of widgets.

Apple is within their rights to ask for money for these applications, but that doesn't make it smart. In fact, it's downright stupid. More people will now jailbreak their iPods, and people will now always be leary of how much more they have to spend to get upgrades that iPhone users get for free.

[bunnyuk]

I didn't want the new apps, they all seem useless to me anyway. I wanted to be able to add items to my home screen but apparently all the update does is add a "+" symbol to Safari. This came in the 160MB download. If they want to get money for the apps then I don't care but I'm peeved about not customizing the home screen. Feedback has been sent, for the second time with the Touch. First time was a calendar you couldn't add events to.

[aethelbert]

Buy the update and move on. Just be happy that they gave you these apps that everyone has wanted. They're not going to change anything.

In fact, this is exactly what the users of the iPod touch asked for when it came out: Downloadable apps available for purchase on iTunes for $2-5 each.

[bunnyuk]

In fact, this is exactly what the users of the iPod touch asked for when it came out: Downloadable apps available for purchase on iTunes for $2-5 each.

But they aren't $2-5 each, if I want one I have to buy the lot for the whole $20.

[volk]

What I find funny is all these 'threats' to go back to Windows Xp and the like.

That's hilarious!!..

So because you don't want to spend $20 for some extra apps ( that never came with your product when you bought it and you don't 'apparently want') your going to go WASTE a ton of money buying what YOU KNOW to be second rate junk just to 'show Apple'..

Well, whilst your putting yourself back into the dark ages of technology we'll still be here loving Apple kit, buying it ( yeah that's right - paying for things we like that are 'amazing') and just generally being really happy about our technology - and lots of other people will be wising up and buying Apple kit to replace the handful who 'went nuts over $20'...

I mean that's a cab fare isn't it?


So...go knock yourselves out - the choice is yours...


No, the choice is to jailbreak and get them for free and not buy another iPod from Apple. Just curious, but how would you feel about Apple charging for every point release of OS X? They often add new features and enhancements, maybe they should charge for them, too? What if Apple charged more for iLife on a Pro model than they do on a consumer machine? After all, Pros should be using pro apps, right?

Spin all you want, but this is a bad business move...especially when AppleTV and the iPhone all got free upgrades.

[volk]

Buy the update and move on. Just be happy that they gave you these apps that everyone has wanted. They're not going to change anything.

In fact, this is exactly what the users of the iPod touch asked for when it came out: Downloadable apps available for purchase on iTunes for $2-5 each.


Why? Jailbreak and get them for free. Apple is going to regret this in the future.

[aethelbert]

But they aren't $2-5 each, if I want one I have to buy the lot for the whole $20.
Divide 20 by five. Then tell me how much each app costs. Too bad if you don't want them all. This is what we asked for and you all should be happy with what we got.

[Mikey B]

Wow, people are really pissed off! I definately understand why, but its $20 dollars for chrissakes! Like some one earlier posted, were complaining about 20 bucks to update something that costs $400! That's nothing compared to the cost of the touch! Besides, the firmware update is free... you don't have to buy the apps I'm sure it'll be jailbroken within a week anyways, so who cares? If you want to go legit, you pay 20 bucks and get the most useful apps. Plus you get to keep your ipod up to date. If that isn't important to you, than don't buy them! I opted to pay the money, and hope that the SDK will be worth it. If not, than I'll go back to jailbreaking. Either way, it is an amazing device, and I absolute love it, and see 20 bucks as a small price to pay. But that's just me...

[volk]

Wow, people are really pissed off! I definately understand why, but its $20 dollars for chrissakes! Like some one earlier posted, were complaining about 20 bucks to update something that costs $400! That's nothing compared to the cost of the touch! Besides, the firmware update is free... you don't have to buy the apps I'm sure it'll be jailbroken within a week anyways, so who cares? If you want to go legit, you pay 20 bucks and get the most useful apps. Plus you get to keep your ipod up to date. If that isn't important to you, than don't buy them! I opted to pay the money, and hope that the SDK will be worth it. If not, than I'll go back to jailbreaking. Either way, it is an amazing device, and I absolute love it, and see 20 bucks as a small price to pay. But that's just me...


Again, it's not the cost, it's the principle. You look at $20 as no big deal for the consumer, but when the consumer has shelled out $400 already and the applications cost nothing for Apple to move to the Touch, the $20 should be no big deal for Apple. The apps have already been developed and recouped, it's no loss for Apple to give them to Touch users. Apple could have and should have offered these for free.

[Mikey B]

I hear you, volk, believe me, I wish they came free with the update. But I guess I've made peace with it. Everything with Apple costs a little bit more, but for me, it's always been money well spent.

[Badandy]

Again, it's not the cost, it's the principle. You look at $20 as no big deal for the consumer, but when the consumer has shelled out $400 already and the applications cost nothing for Apple to move to the Touch, the $20 should be no big deal for Apple. The apps have already been developed and recouped, it's no loss for Apple to give them to Touch users. Apple could have and should have offered these for free.

You bought a Touch. They added functionality to it. You can pay for that added functionality, or not. It is a loss for Apple to give them to Touch users. They calculated that they would make more money by charging for it than if a few defectors got angry and decided not to purchase an Apple product in the future. If you're mad about it, then don't purchase anything and be quiet. But until then, you all sound childish for thinking you somehow "deserve" this update for free. I don't give a rat's (blank) if it wouldn't have cost Apple that much more to make it available to you for free, they're in the business to make money. I bought my Powerbook without iLife 07. They released iLife 07 without a hardware upgrade to my Powerbook and charged for it. I didn't cry about it.


/rant

[aethelbert]

Again, it's not the cost, it's the principle. You look at $20 as no big deal for the consumer, but when the consumer has shelled out $400 already and the applications cost nothing for Apple to move to the Touch, the $20 should be no big deal for Apple. The apps have already been developed and recouped, it's no loss for Apple to give them to Touch users. Apple could have and should have offered these for free.
Believe it or not, Apple is in the game for money. It doesn't matter if you want to pay or not. It's their product, their software, their decision. It's obvious that you want these apps. If you want your warranty as well, they're advising you to get them this way. If you don't like it this way, go buy a Zune.

[surferfromuk]

No, the choice is to jailbreak and get them for free and not buy another iPod from Apple. Just curious, but how would you feel about Apple charging for every point release of OS X? They often add new features and enhancements, maybe they should charge for them, too? What if Apple charged more for iLife on a Pro model than they do on a consumer machine? After all, Pros should be using pro apps, right?

Spin all you want, but this is a bad business move...especially when AppleTV and the iPhone all got free upgrades.

No - this analogy is all wrong...

1) Yes, you can go 'rip' them for free - your correct that is a 'choice' - a personal decision - for those who don't want to do that they can now buy them - that's also a choice - one Apple has given us ( thankfully) - so why you complaining about that? You can go rip em and stay happy.

2) This is not a 'point' release - it's a suite of applications that never shipped with the product I purchased nor where they ever promised for it.

Feature updates to apps, O/S enhancements or bug fixes for products I already own I expect to get free - and I do!

Five totally new apps that I never bought or owned ? no, I don't expect that - who should?

I agree that the current ipod touch is an even more amazing deal than ever but I'm still happy that Apple haven't left me 'stuck without' like so many other companies do...

3) Iphone users never got new apps - they got 'updates. Apple TV never got new apps - they got new features spawned from itunes - the same ones we got in itunes for our ipod touch and our macs.

[CBell]

i just don't understand why it's free for iPhone users, but iPod Touch people have to pay.

[aethelbert]

i just don't understand why it's free for iPhone users, but iPod Touch people have to pay.
You're paying for the apps with the touch. Why should iPhone users pay for something that they already have?

[SpikeX]

Total, utter BS. Not ever going to pay for this ****.

[nba1341]

ive always hated apple as a company and now i hate them even more

[Spizzo]

i just don't understand why it's free for iPhone users, but iPod Touch people have to pay.

iPhone users continue to pay for their iPhone each month, once you buy your iPod, it's yours. The iPhone was created more as a PDA/Media Device. Your touch is JUST a media device. By paying 20 bucks you can give it some more functionality.

[celebi23]

No - this analogy is all wrong...

2) This is not a 'point' release - it's a suite of applications that never shipped with the product I purchased nor where they ever promised for it.


Umm, you sir are wrong. These 5 apps are INCLUDED in the 1.1.3 firmware. The thing that you buy from iTunes? A 20KB file. All it does it it modifies the plist file (in Springboard) to ENABLE the apps to appear on the home screen thing. How is a 20KB file worth $20?? :mad:

[Badandy]

These are the same type of people complaining in this thread that were complaining when Apple cut the price of the 8 GB iPhone.

[Badandy]

Umm, you sir are wrong. These 5 apps are INCLUDED in the 1.1.3 firmware. The thing that you buy from iTunes? A 20KB file. All it does it it modifies the plist file (in Springboard) to ENABLE the apps to appear on the home screen thing. How is a 20KB file worth $20?? :mad:

Because it enables added functionality that you did not pay for to begin with. Done.

[apsterling]

ive always hated apple as a company and now i hate them even more

... then why post on an Apple-Centric forum?

[aethelbert]

Umm, you sir are wrong. These 5 apps are INCLUDED in the 1.1.3 firmware. The thing that you buy from iTunes? A 20KB file. All it does it it modifies the plist file (in Springboard) to ENABLE the apps to appear on the home screen thing. How is a 20KB file worth $20?? :mad:
The same way that those five apps are. You bought an iPod. Apparently few people can grasp that concept. It doesn't matter if it runs the same OS as the iPhone or if it has the capability to run iPhone apps. You bought a portable media player. And now all people can do is get upset when Apple offers to improve it for a nominal fee. If you were happy with the iPod touch when you bought it, you can still be happy with it without paying $20 for apps. So stop complaining.

[celebi23]

Because it enables added functionality that you did not pay for to begin with. Done.

If you go by that logic then how is it that people who bought the original AppleTV are getting the update for the AppleTV 2 (which contains added functionality that they did not pay for to begin with) for free? Apple has a pretty huge double standard here.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/01/15appletv.html


The new Apple TV software will be available as a free automatic download to all Apple TV customers later this month.

[nba1341]

why is it that i got windows xp service pack 1 and 2 for free if i did not pay for it to begin with?


also why will i be getting windows vista service pack 1 if i did not pay for it to begin with?

[Badandy]

If you go by that logic then how is it that people who bought the original AppleTV are getting the update for the AppleTV 2 (which contains added functionality that they did not pay for to begin with) for free? Apple has a pretty huge double standard here.

Not really. The AppleTV was a flop, they will take a short term hit in order to try to ensure its success in the long run.


I'm going to repost one of my previous posts. Please READ it:

You bought a Touch. They added functionality to it. You can pay for that added functionality, or not. It is a loss for Apple to give the programs to Touch users for free because they would be making no money on it. They calculated that they would make more money by charging for it than if a few defectors got angry and decided not to purchase an Apple product in the future. If you're mad about it, then don't purchase anything and be quiet. But until then, you all sound childish for thinking you somehow "deserve" this update for free. I don't give a rat's (blank) if it wouldn't have cost Apple that much more to make it available to you for free, they're in the business to make money. I bought my Powerbook without iLife 07. They released iLife 07 without a hardware upgrade to my Powerbook and charged for it. I didn't cry about it.


EDIT:


why is it that i got windows xp service pack 1 and 2 for free if i did not pay for it to begin with?


also why will i be getting windows vista service pack 1 if i did not pay for it to begin with?

Because they're choosing to give it out for free. Vista is buggy, and they'll be fixing that among some other things. You payed for a Touch. They are adding new PROGRAMS to it. You can either pay to get the new programs, or not. Stop being babies. Oh My God.

[iLoveiPod]

The $20 is no problem to pay, but i agree that it is total BS. I mean, early iPhone adopters got $100 BACK! WTF Steve! Cut us a break here bud.

[theBB]

First off, you take a RISK whenever you purchase a new device, period. You can't always have the latest greatest thing at the time and not expect something better to come out later.
No, I disagree. I think this is a bit different. These apps existed on iPhone at the time of purchase, so a lot of people assume it was a simple matter to make them work on the touch, as the two products share a lot of parts. I mean in the end, yeah, you paid for the then existing product, so legally Apple can charge what it wants now for added functionality. However, it is definitely bad PR. Besides, $20 is substantially more than $5 that it asked for 11n functionality last year. If it is just about a matter of filling out a SOX related form, I don't think they would need to charge that much.

[Spizzo]

If you go by that logic then how is it that people who bought the original AppleTV are getting the update for the AppleTV 2 (which contains added functionality that they did not pay for to begin with) for free? Apple has a pretty huge double standard here.

Well... by offering everyone who already has an ATV the ability to rent movies, apple has the potential to make more money... so the free update is good for apple.

[hecks]

The same way that those five apps are. You bought an iPod. Apparently few people can grasp that concept. It doesn't matter if it runs the same OS as the iPhone or if it has the capability to run iPhone apps. You bought a portable media player. And now all people can do is get upset when Apple offers to improve it for a nominal fee. If you were happy with the iPod touch when you bought it, you can still be happy with it without paying $20 for apps. So stop complaining.

Apple refer to it as an upgrade for the iPod Touch. After adding the apps - and the new enhancements to Springboard that aren't applied until you do pay - you're therefore left with an iPod, but according to Apple a better iPod than the one you bought from the shop. The whole 'it was only ever meant to be a portable media player, so ****' just doesn't make any sense in this context.

I for one would have welcomed Apple explaining clearly when both products were launched that iPhone buyers could expect indefinite free feature upgrades, but iPod Touch users should expect to pay for them by default (on the Archos model). The lack of transparency and underhand feeling of this move has left a bitter taste in many peoples' mouths. As for the need to secure a future revenue stream from the iPods: well, turning people away from jailbreaking and on to the SDK bandwagon was the way to do that - which plenty of people seemed ready for, but no longer as many I suspect.

But I think you probably already know this. Your posts so far in this thread have been so perfectly devoid of logic, not to say content, that I can only imagine that you're either a contrarian by nature, or an Apple shill who's paid to disrupt discussion in threads like these.

[aethelbert]

No, I disagree. I think this is a bit different. These apps existed on iPhone at the time of purchase, so a lot of people assume it was a simple matter to make them work on the touch, as the two products share a lot of parts. I mean in the end, yeah, you paid for the then existing product, so legally Apple can charge what it wants now for added functionality. However, it is definitely bad PR. Besides, $20 is substantially more than $5 that it asked for 11n functionality last year. If it is just about a matter of filling out a SOX related form, I don't think they would need to charge that much.
Well, people can't assume that Apple will give them something for free. It doesn't matter. People got the apps that they asked for. End of story. Doesn't matter if they have to pay.

[iLoveiPod]

I don't know about you but my OS X upgrades came with Mail and Weather widgets, and I paid over $100 for them. Who's to say that the price of those apps aren't rolled into the OS X price? Yes it appears free since it just comes with your computer/OS, but you paid for the computer/OS to get the apps. Show me where to download Mail.app for free, or show me where to download the default Weather widget...

Use some logic here...your'e not paying $100 for weather and mail. Yes they seem "free" but when taken into account, theyre prrobably only a few dollars.

[Jack Flash]

Well, people can't assume that Apple will give them something for free. It doesn't matter. People got the apps that they asked for. End of story. Doesn't matter if they have to pay.

I wonder if Steve Jobs assumed you'd give him head for free.

[bunnyuk]

For those who think you get the iPhone as part of a contract, here in the UK you pay for the phone (£269) then pay monthly for the contract to the network provider. A large part of this, especially with me, was that it seemed to be assumed that the update would give you all these new features, such as the home screen, but you would pay the £12/$20 to get these five applications. I can't see how the home screen will cost me that much given I do not want the applications. I want to play music and watch videos on it and browse the web using the quick links they, I assumed, would provide on the home screen. If I could find some way to remove the hidden applications without jailbreaking it I would do so to free up more room for music and videos.

[Badandy]

I wonder if Steve Jobs assumed you'd give him head for free.

I wonder if Steve Jobs assumed that mac-heads would be of the same intelligence level as you are.

[aethelbert]

I wonder if Steve Jobs assumed you'd give him head for free.
Especially since I didn't (nor do I want to) buy the apps, I would say that Steve would have been very smart to do so.

[mattibek]

This does little to entice jailbreakers to go "legit" and add apple apps. It's not the fee that upset me but the history of apple. We have seen the iPhone get free apps and updates and it needs to do this to stay competitive. iTouch has no competition from other mp3 players so they charge us.

$20 multiplied by the 1/2 million or more iTouch players sold is greedy. I would have paid $1.99 for the update with no quams. It is the fact that I feel like I'm paying for the free updates that iphone and apple TV got by purchasing apps that existed when iTouch was released and should have been bundled from the start. It's the everybody got something but me feeling.

It's not about the money it's about apple saying thanks for buying this and showing it to your friends so they would get one and hey here are some free apps (that everyone hence forth will get) to show our appreciation.:mad:

[Resist]

I paid the stupid $20 for the new apps but hated doing so because it seems to be way to much money for only 5 apps. I keep asking myself why I paid it then....guess I wanted maps and mail on my Touch.

But I really hate the new dock!

[aethelbert]

This does little to entice jailbreakers to go "legit" and add apple apps. It's not the fee that upset me but the history of apple. We have seen the iPhone get free apps and updates and it needs to do this to stay competitive. iTouch has no competition from other mp3 players so they charge us.

$20 multiplied by the 1/2 million or more iTouch players sold is greedy. I would have paid $1.99 for the update with no quams. It is the fact that I feel like I'm paying for the free updates that iphone and apple TV got by purchasing apps that existed when iTouch was released and should have been bundled from the start. It's the everybody got something but me feeling.

It's not about the money it's about apple saying thanks for buying this and showing it to your friends so they would get one and hey here are some free apps (that everyone hence forth will get) to show our appreciation.:mad:
The iPhone has only got an update with iTunes. That was on the touch before the iPhone. Remember, it's an iPod. Completely different product.

Apple TV didn't really get much of an update. It is mainly to support movie rentals. If you were happy with the product that you bought on the day you got your touch, you should still be happy with it. Other products are completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter what people are getting now. If you really want the apps, give them the $20. Sure, it would be nice if they were free. But Apple is in the game to make money. They've already got a hold on the music market, so charging $20 for an optional upgrade (that isn't even necessary) is not such a bad move. It's a good source of profit.

Now what would have happened if they would have released 1.1.3 without the apps? Everyone would have been mad that Apple took away their applications. Well, now they're giving you a way to do it in a legit manner. Personally, I would rather fork over the money than sit around at each update wondering "Is it safe to upgrade my iPod? It could get bricked or I could lose all of my apps."

[volk]

Believe it or not, Apple is in the game for money. It doesn't matter if you want to pay or not. It's their product, their software, their decision. It's obvious that you want these apps. If you want your warranty as well, they're advising you to get them this way. If you don't like it this way, go buy a Zune.


As someone who's been a manager for most of my professional career, I can tell you that your view is very anti-growth. I have already said that Apple can charge if they want to. It's up to them, but that doesn't mean it is smart.

Throwing iPod Touch users a bone by giving them these apps for free would have been smart. Most users would upgrade to the new firmware and would have left hacking behind forever. Certainly no one could complain at all, and Apple's rep improves, their customers are more satisfied, and they keep and build the user base.

Instead, Apple has decided to take a quick $20 and piss off a lot of their user base. It helps shrink user base, not grow it. It is a short-sighted tactic, and they are doing it over something they don't have to charge over.

Like I said, I understand wanting to make money, but I feel this is just a stupid move.

[toxicbomber]

It was either this on the touch or lose the carriers of the iPhone. You choose. :rolleyes: All the money goes to the carriers.

[uburoibob]

I've sent feedback - it just seems really greedy to charge for what you already give new customers for no extra cost. Bad apple :mad:

edit: but I still want it & have forked out

You mean the way they give Leopard with new computers?
;)

[mattibek]

Akonradi, an update is an update they are all significant, though I would say that it is a significant update as it actually makes the Apple TV worth buying.

iTunes app appeared on iTouch at launch your correct, it was GIVEN to iPhone free. Maps, mail, etc. appeared on iphone but not GIVEN to us.

if the unit remained the same and all future itouch buyers had to pay for the update seperately it would be fair But this is not a Mac it is an iPod and this is unprecedented behavior for iPod.

I don't think you will change your irrational logic but nothing you will say will make me feel better about Apples move here... or dislodge $20 from my wallet.:mad:

[uburoibob]

How is a 20KB file worth $20?? :mad:

Hmmmm.... would that be a buck a K?

[mattibek]

Nicely said Volk;)

[mizelly41]

After reading many posts, one thing I am tired of is hearing people say, "What do you expect, it is an Ipod, not a PDA." That is so stupid. When the Ipod came out, it just played music. Then it got photos and then it got videos. So are you all saying that the Ipod shouldn't have gotten photos and videos because it was made to play music only? No you wouldn't. Well this is the same situation. They can make the Ipod whatever they want it to be. Not just a MP3 player.

[dmcdayton]

What a petty move on Apple's part. I've already filed my complaint and emailed request for full refund. My wife got it engraved for me for Christmas gift or I'd have already returned it for all the WiFi troubles I'm dealing with (it only connects about 1/3 the time).

What a load of crap from Apple. Obviously their success is going to their heads, they're getting greedy and at this rate (after the iPhone early adopter penalty) will leave themselves open for a huge backlash.

The screen it too small to be a practical surfing device anyway, nifty touch commands aside, it takes 4 times longer to read anything when it is working.

*&^%#*&@^%$&*@#^%$

I registered here just so I could vent.

[aethelbert]

Akonradi, an update is an update they are all significant, though I would say that it is a significant update as it actually makes the Apple TV worth buying.

iTunes app appeared on iTouch at launch your correct, it was GIVEN to iPhone free. Maps, mail, etc. appeared on iphone but not GIVEN to us.

if the unit remained the same and all future itouch buyers had to pay for the update seperately it would be fair But this is not a Mac it is an iPod and this is unprecedented behavior for iPod.

I don't think you will change your irrational logic but nothing you will say will make me feel better about Apples move here... or dislodge $20 from my wallet.:mad:
The iPhone is the premier product. It costs more, needs a contract, and produces Apple more money. Of course it will get better features. The iPhone also came first. That doesn't mean that every single feature of the iPhone has to be on every product with some similarities. You must have been content when you bought it. If this $20 improvement package is changing that, something went wrong on your end, not Cupertino's.

[jnc]

I paid the stupid $20 for the new apps but hated doing so because it seems to be way to much money for only 5 apps. I keep asking myself why I paid it then....guess I wanted maps and mail on my Touch.

But I really hate the new dock!

How did it feel when you bent over? Curious, just curious :)

[volk]

The iPhone is the premier product. It costs more, needs a contract, and produces Apple more money. Of course it will get better features. The iPhone also came first. That doesn't mean that every single feature of the iPhone has to be on every product with some similarities. You must have been content when you bought it. If this $20 improvement package is changing that, something went wrong on your end, not Cupertino's.

Nonsense. Profit margins are the highest on Apple's iPod lines...not the iPhone. In fact, you could argue that the shuffle is Apple's premier product from your logic. I don't care if the iPhone came first or not. Nothing in your post is logical at all.

[kainjow]

Oh quit complaining. You can't compare it to an iPhone since iPhone users are paying a minimum of $60 a month. You have to pay a one-time fee of $20. Boo hoo.

And the argument of new buyers get it free is the same as Leopard and new computers. Leopard comes free with new computers but existing users have to upgrade.

The Apple TV update is free because Apple will make money off it by you renting movies. They won't make money off you with the iPod touch features.

Every MW something like this happens :rolleyes:

[cheekybobcat]

Complete and total BS. What is SJ trying to do: screw the people who pay his salary????

Isn't that what American enterprise requires?
Enron...:(

[mattibek]

This says it all.

http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/01/15/macworld-ars-ipod-touch-users-to-pay-20-for-iphone-applications

[pab277]

i do completely agree that us early ipod touch owners should not have to pay for apps and features that already were in existence. I myself am not a jailbreaker so i went ahead and purchased the apps since it benefited me. I do think one of these days apple will learn their lesson and drop the price of the apps and refund the difference to people like me.

that is all.

[kainjow]

Um, why are you guys saying you don't agree with it, and then you continue to purchase the update? That doesn't make sense at all.

[macfan881]

Um, why are you guys saying you don't agree with it, and then you continue to purchase the update? That doesn't make sense at all.

probally cause people dont mind spending 20 bucks. look i say the same thing 2 but heres what im debating at I jailbroken my ipod touch mainly for the stuff we got today the only other program i really used was blackjack but i can see for the people who use the other apps that you can get i can understand too as well. so for me im going to upgrade and use the official apps. i really liked the maps feature and the fact to i can now use all my emails including yahoo is a benefit.

[Cormier6083]

By buying this update, you are only proving to Apple and Co. that they can take advantage of the consumer. Screw it. Until the update is free, I will never ever update.

[aethelbert]

Nonsense. Profit margins are the highest on Apple's iPod lines...not the iPhone. In fact, you could argue that the shuffle is Apple's premier product from your logic. I don't care if the iPhone came first or not. Nothing in your post is logical at all.
Saying that AAPL makes money off of the contracts, I don't think so. And the iPhone has a pretty high profit margin. Put those two together and Apple makes more money off of the iPhone. When Steve talks about the great new products of '07, he says iPhone and new iPods. Not iPod touch. That pretty much indirectly says it all.

And the shuffle wouldn't be their premier product, their RAM upgrades would be. :rolleyes:

After reading many posts, one thing I am tired of is hearing people say, "What do you expect, it is an Ipod, not a PDA." That is so stupid. When the Ipod came out, it just played music. Then it got photos and then it got videos. So are you all saying that the Ipod shouldn't have gotten photos and videos because it was made to play music only? No you wouldn't. Well this is the same situation. They can make the Ipod whatever they want it to be. Not just a MP3 player.
That doesn't mean that they are required to do it for free.

[volk]

Oh quit complaining. You can't compare it to an iPhone since iPhone users are paying a minimum of $60 a month. You have to pay a one-time fee of $20. Boo hoo.


You are paying for cellphone service! How is that even comparable???

[aethelbert]

You are paying for cellphone service! How is that even comparable???
Because that's a pretty steep price for such a terrible service plan.

[rph105]

sent a complaint to apple via http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipodtouch.html

I suggest you all do the same, maybe they'll re-consider

[Hamburger3]

The same way that those five apps are. You bought an iPod. Apparently few people can grasp that concept. It doesn't matter if it runs the same OS as the iPhone or if it has the capability to run iPhone apps. You bought a portable media player. And now all people can do is get upset when Apple offers to improve it for a nominal fee. If you were happy with the iPod touch when you bought it, you can still be happy with it without paying $20 for apps. So stop complaining.

People can complain all they want if they are not happy.

Apple suck.

[Keebler]

here's a thought: don't use the new software then.
if you see value, you'll spend the tiny amount to get those apps.
it's quite simple.

heck, for another $2, you can probably buy a box of kleenex too :)

[Spizzo]

You are paying for cellphone service! How is that even comparable???

It's not! But you want it to be. You want the touch to receive the same treatment as the iPhone. :rolleyes:

[atszyman]

Your analogy is bad...the Touch didn't get a price drop, it got a price increase. Christmas buyers just payed $20 more for their iPod than today's buyers for an e-mail client and a couple of widgets.

There's nothing wrong with the analogy, you just need to look at it form a different angle. Today's users are forced into buying a $20 set of apps for the iPod Touch that they may or may not want. If those apps are worth $20 then the iPod Touch is $380 of the $400 spent. New users don't get the choice of whether they want the $20 apps or not. If you don't think they're worth the price don't buy them. New iPod Touch buyers aren't given the choice to save $20 by not buying the apps.

Think of it as finding the perfect car, but it already has the window tinting done. You could have lived without it and it would be $500 cheaper without the tinting, but you're stuck with it and the extra cost if you want the car.

[aethelbert]

People can complain all they want if they are not happy.

Apple suck.
That doesn't mean that they have legitimate reasons to complain.

here's a thought: don't use the new software then.
if you see value, you'll spend the tiny amount to get those apps.
it's quite simple.

heck, for another $2, you can probably buy a box of kleenex too :)
Amen

It's not! But you want it to be. You want the touch to receive the same treatment as the iPhone. :rolleyes:
Pretty much true. Just because it looks similar does not mean that Apple is required to do whatever people want for free.

The iPhone came out. Then people wanted an iPhone-Phone=iPod touch.
Apple gave us that.

But then everyone got mad because they didn't get their apps. Most people said back in September that they were willing to pay for them. A lot of us sent requests to Apple saying that we would gladly pay for these apps. Now we get the apps and most people are angry that they're not free.

[KoolStar]

Another thing is why is it that the early adopters of the iphone get money back and a free update, and we have to pay. This suxs.

[macfan881]

That doesn't mean that they have legitimate reasons to complain.


Amen


Pretty much true. Just because it looks similar does not mean that Apple is required to do whatever people want for free.

The iPhone came out. Then people wanted an iPhone-Phone=iPod touch.
Apple gave us that.

But then everyone got mad because they didn't get their apps. Most people said back in September that they were willing to pay for them. A lot of us sent requests to Apple saying that we would gladly pay for these apps. Now we get the apps and most people are angry that they're not free.


Amen to what you said to i rember seeing this stuff

[KoolStar]

The main reason that i am dumfounded is that the iphone users got not only the update, but they got money back too, cant apple see that the first major update should be free perhaps.

[Spizzo]

The main reason that i am dumfounded is that the iphone users got not only the update, but they got money back too, cant apple see that the first major update should be free perhaps.

Dude... you should have bought an iPhone!!! You do get a free updates, just not free extra apps.

[aethelbert]

The main reason that i am dumfounded is that the iphone users got not only the update, but they got money back too, cant apple see that the first major update should be free perhaps.
They got money because the price dropped by $200. And the music store didn't add signifiant functionality. Also, it makes Apple money. By adding it for free, they'll make more money. Nobody says that you are required to upgrade to 1.1.3 or buy the apps. It's an option. You bought an iPod, so be happy with an iPod (no, an iPod does not need iPhone apps to be an iPod).

[TheSpaz]

Dude... you should have bought an iPhone!!! You do get a free updates, just not free extra apps.

I thought the iPhone'rs had to pay something like $60 a month and you're worried about a tiny $20 1-time payment to get iPhone-like functionality... that's terrible.

Edit: I just found out that Apple legally has to have us pay for these new features because of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act

[KoolStar]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I would like to formally apologize for my irrational thinking in my previous post. I currently have a jail broken 1.1.1 and i use the iphone applications. I had been using other applications from appsnapp. I have thought about whether i need these other ones. I have made a choice. Times are now for the update. I can wait for the platform to be open for the sdk in February. I would like to say that i am sorry for the rant, as i have come to the realistic side and have just purchased the updated apps.

[aethelbert]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I would like to formally apologize for my irrational thinking in my previous post. I currently have a jail broken 1.1.1 and i use the iphone applications. I had been using other applications from appsnapp. I have thought about whether i need these other ones. I have made a choice. Times are now for the update. I can wait for the platform to be open for the sdk in February. I would like to say that i am sorry for the rant, as i have come to the realistic side and have just purchased the updated apps.
Good job supporting the company that listened to us.

[Pippen Man]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I would like to formally apologize for my irrational thinking in my previous post. I currently have a jail broken 1.1.1 and i use the iphone applications. I had been using other applications from appsnapp. I have thought about whether i need these other ones. I have made a choice. Times are now for the update. I can wait for the platform to be open for the sdk in February. I would like to say that i am sorry for the rant, as i have come to the realistic side and have just purchased the updated apps.

No...:eek:not you too! Don't go to the dark side! ;)

I have a 1.1.2 Jailbroken iPod touch, with all the goodies inside. I am right now questioning updating and wasting my soul by paying Apple $20 for the iPhone Apps. I'm just going to wait it out for a week or two, and see how the Touch Dev Team does with 1.1.3:):apple:

[toxicbomber]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! IT'S NOT APPLE'S FAULT YOU HAVE TO PAY! IT'S THE CARRIERS LIKE AT&T! :rolleyes:

[ScottFitz]

It was either this on the touch or lose the carriers of the iPhone. You choose. :rolleyes: All the money goes to the carriers.


I disagree. The carriers aren't going anywhere. ATT has the hottest phone in the US market. Not going anywhere.

I think the point is being missed. People that just bought their touch's for x-mas just got hosed a little bit. I won't be paying the fee, nor upgrading to 1.3 if it sucks more memory from my touch.

[toxicbomber]

I disagree. The carriers aren't going anywhere. ATT has the hottest phone in the US market. Not going anywhere.

I think the point is being missed. People that just bought their touch's for x-mas just got hosed a little bit. I won't be paying the fee, nor upgrading to 1.3 if it sucks more memory from my touch.

Erm.. no. I'm right about the carriers. ;) But yeah I do say the people who just bought it should get a free update. It's not fair. But for us who had it for awhile it is just fine to upgrade. It's really worth the $20! Honestly!

[kshott]

Soooooo.... this is for "accounting reasons"? And..... I can upgrade for free, and apparently, the apps come with the upgrade? right?

So, how does it help their "accounting" to go ahead and give me the apps if I never activate them? If I go thru the process and bandwidth for the download? Am I throwing off their books if I never pay the $20?

NO. This is a lame, and totally transparent excuse.

[mcarnes]

Man, you guys have your ass puckered up tighter then a snare drum. Pay the fee and move on. There are much bigger injustices to fight (if this can even be called that).

[toxicbomber]

Man, you guys have your ass puckered up tighter then a snare drum. Pay the fee and move on. There are much bigger injustices to fight (if this can even be called that).

Amen, brother. I say the fee is a great deal for what you get. Let's recap.
Mail, Google Maps, Notes, Stocks, Weather, a customizable springboard, internet web clips, song lyrics and movie lyrics. You really do get what you pay for. I say nuts to you who don't think it's worth it.

[Sweetbike40]

I can afford the $20 no problem, the fact is they should've gave us those programs in the first place. Then make us pay for them, after we've already boughten the $400 device. Then, on top of it, give it free to new owners. This has nothing to do with money or the price.

If you're loose on who you give your money too, send it on my way. It can help pay for the new graphics card I just bought.

I bought the apps (having issues with the ******* install to top it off) but it does suck that we have to pay for these. I didn't realize that they are installed on Touch's you buy now. It's not like it's even the 2nd generation. It's the same iPod just with the applications installed. Why not then charge people who buy a iPod Touch tomorrow 20 bucks more!!!?? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[toxicbomber]

I bought the apps (having issues with the ******* install to top it off) but it does suck that we have to pay for these. I didn't realize that they are installed on Touch's you buy now. It's not like it's even the 2nd generation. It's the same iPod just with the applications installed. Why not then charge people who buy a iPod Touch tomorrow 20 bucks more!!!?? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Who said you had to buy it? :rolleyes:

[macfan881]

Amen, brother. I say the fee is a great deal for what you get. Let's recap.
Mail, Google Maps, Notes, Stocks, Weather, a customizable springboard, internet web clips, song lyrics and movie lyrics. You really do get what you pay for. I say nuts to you who don't think it's worth it.

Agreed nice post

[chaos86]

You got what you paid for.

Want more? $20 please.

[KoolStar]

Being the i'm an apple premier member developer, and i do development for my college, i figured that i should go legit for the sdk coming out.

[toxicbomber]

You got what you paid for.

Want more? $20 please.

... Why bother. :rolleyes: I'm not gonna convince all of you. It's just an option. You guys are complaining about the option to get iPhone apps. As a matter of fact, you shouldn't even be complaining! You should be happy they have this option available.

[panto]

i already sent my feedback on the pricing... even though i already paid for it and i think it was worth it specially on the map app, because i live in Chile and i think it's awsome that the maps have our streets on it, made my life so much easier...
keep your ipod's clean people! i'm sure they'll realise their mistake and give us loyal customers store credit (it's impossible to get an itunes card down here and my credit card won't work since it's not american)

[McGiord]

:apple: is doing an experiment.
Be strong and shoot all your feedback, the best way: DON'T PAY!!!

If they (:apple:) succeed in this test, they will come with a conclusion like: iPod Touch owners paid, why iPhone owner couldn't pay? Let's charge them from now on every single software update we know they want, and make those updates as slow as possible to make more money....
________
buy scale (http://www.**************/scales)

[jkim251]

huh...

i'm confused so why are people complaining about the extra $20 for the software update.

you can get everything in the update except
1.) the "jiggle moving icons" (which can be done through some other app i forget)
2.) putting bookmarks or something on your home screen

the rest you can just download after jailbreaking. whats the big deal?

if you upgrade to the 1.1.3 firmware and if you ipod touch is jailbroken its gg correct?

[aethelbert]

:apple: is doing an experiment.
Be strong and shoot all your feedback, the best way: DON'T PAY!!!

If they (:apple:) succeed in this test, they will come with a conclusion like: iPod Touch owners paid, why iPhone owner couldn't pay? Let's charge them from now on every single software update we know they want, and make those updates as slow as possible to make more money....
You got the update for FREE. You only paid for the apps...

[monke]

One general consensus from this thread: Suck It Up.

You paid $300-$400 dollars for this device, it won't kill you to pay an extra $20.

akonradi made a spectacular post. If you wanted an iPhone, you would have bought an iPhone. You bought an iPod Touch, it was what you wanted. So now you're complaining that Apple's charging you $20 for new applications. Why? You wanted what you got but are now jealous of what happened. It's technology, things happen. You can't expect things to stop after you buy something.

Most people out there don't even need this update. They won't even use it. For the people out there that want it and will use it, they will buy it. It's that simple.

At least Apple is offering you these apps. They didn't just put them on the iPhone and walk away. You would be complaining if they didn't offer them, you're complaining now. Life isn't free.

[Teddy's]

I thought the iPhone'rs had to pay something like $60 a month and you're worried about a tiny $20 1-time payment to get iPhone-like functionality... that's terrible.

Edit: I just found out that Apple legally has to have us pay for these new features because of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes-Oxley_Act

How the hell that SOx law has to be applied here in Canada and the rest of the world??? Duhhh, Yeah I imagine. Screw you! f**ing Apple Marketing Execs!

Is not about the $20 it is all about the principle.

Today I am embarrassed of being a mac zealot.

[Teddy's]

A)You paid $300-$400 dollars for this device, it won't kill you to pay an extra $20.

B)akonradi made a spectacular post. If you wanted an iPhone, you would have bought an iPhone.


C)At least Apple is offering you these apps. They didn't just put them on the iPhone and walk away. You would be complaining if they didn't offer them, you're complaining now. Life isn't free.

A)No, is not about the $20, $4.99 or $1.99

B)Spectacular post? The iPhone will be available in Canada in 2012.

C)I think they should have never offered the upgrade for a premium. I have the right to complain. I am honest, I do not need this update. I am just upset!

[mizelly41]

For those who talk about Iphone users having to pay $60+ a month:
You say that Ipod touch users shouldn't be complaining about the $20 because we don't have to pay $60 month or you say just get an Iphone.
The reason we don't pay $60 is because we do not get cell phone service nor, internet access anywhere I go.
The reason why I went with the Ipod over the Iphone is because of AT&T's poor service in my area. My family had them for 4 years and I had at least 3 dropped calls a day. If it wasn't for this I would have an Iphone.
So for some, the Iphone is not a choice so this is the reason I want apps that are on the Iphone to be on my Ipod. After all the Iphone is a phone that as other apps on it for nothing. Why can't the Ipod be a music player that has other apps for nothing?

[iLeoMarc]

After all the Iphone is a phone that as other apps on it for nothing. Why can't the Ipod be a music player that has other apps for nothing?

Well first of all I would like to say that I feel your pain. Us iPhone users went through this whole mess (in a much larger scale) when they dropped the price on us by $200. Secondly the iPhone is a smart phone, therefore is advertised to include those extra features. I just hope that most of you ready to burn down Apple, were not the same individuals telling us iPhone users "You knew it was going to happen.", "You can afford it". bit not so long ago.

Don't make me go back to that thread and take down names! :D To the rest, I feel you!

[nhw]

like everyone else, i can pay the $20 but feel it is unfair. this update should be free. period. i love apple and i dont understand how steve jobs can let his marketing team to make this move.

[edesignuk]

It's ONLY $20!!!!! What is wrong with you people. You'll spend that on a couple of mochafrappucinos at Starbucks. All that new software for less than 5% of the original purchase price. Whatta bunch of whiners. If you can afford $400 for an iPod, what's all the griping about $20 that extends its usefulness 10-fold? Geez! Or did your mommy and daddy buy you the iPod?
:rolleyes:If MS were charging for a Zune software update I wonder what you'd say...

It's a complete farce.

[GamecockMac]

ive always hated apple as a company and now i hate them even more

Then wtf are you doing in this forum? Just being a troll?

Idiot.

[GamecockMac]

As someone who's been a manager for most of my professional career, I can tell you that your view is very anti-growth. I have already said that Apple can charge if they want to. It's up to them, but that doesn't mean it is smart.

Throwing iPod Touch users a bone by giving them these apps for free would have been smart. Most users would upgrade to the new firmware and would have left hacking behind forever. Certainly no one could complain at all, and Apple's rep improves, their customers are more satisfied, and they keep and build the user base.

Instead, Apple has decided to take a quick $20 and piss off a lot of their user base. It helps shrink user base, not grow it. It is a short-sighted tactic, and they are doing it over something they don't have to charge over.

Like I said, I understand wanting to make money, but I feel this is just a stupid move.

Wow, you must not be very successful as a manager to make such an illogical statement.

So you actually think the number of iPod touch users will DROP as a result of Apple's decisions with regard to the 1.1.3 + apps upgrade? You honestly believe that they will have a smaller user base for this product at this time next year? Next month? Next week??

I'm glad you aren't managing anything for me.

[franzmueller]

I think this is a mayor update for the itp and in the future new apps will also cost money .

Now i can tell you that my itp is the best ipod/pda i had in my life.


My 2 centavos

Saludos

[The Grood]

I knew it wasn't an email device when I bought it. Now it can be.

So £12.99 to upgrade is excellent value for money. I have no problem with it all.

The other apps/features are a bonus (though not very useful)

[Agathon]

It's a deeply puzzling decision.

Certainly, there will be users in countries that don't have the iTunes Store, who won't be able to get the upgrade.

I wonder if this is a decision forced by accounting. It's not really going to make Apple a ton of money. I remember there was a similar upgrade charge for something else a while back, apparently for accounting reasons.

[blueharvester]

I'm very angry at this!

[cavebob]

I think the general consensus is that its more a matter of principle than cost and I have to say I agree. Apple knew that Leopard was coming and they knew users would be buying macbooks before its release and so they offered free upgrades. Likewise with the ipod touch apps updates, they knew it was coming and they also knew that heaps of touches would be sold during xmas and yet they didnt offer the upgrade for free. Thats just not right.

Those of you who say suck it you've paid X amount for the ipod already whats 20 more. You mangs need to realize that just because someone has 100 dollars, it doesn't mean they have 100 more lying around. Some people save hard to buy things like ipod touches. Kids for example, would have been saving money all year to buy themselves an ipod for christmas, now they need to blow another 20 bucks.

I think that this serves as a great reminder to us all that, although you guys can trash microsoft about charging for stuff, Apple are a money making machine as well and this just illustrates that point. I think its sad that this is happening. For the record, I don't like it. =(

[Sweetbike40]

One general consensus from this thread: Suck It Up.

You paid $300-$400 dollars for this device, it won't kill you to pay an extra $20.

akonradi made a spectacular post. If you wanted an iPhone, you would have bought an iPhone. You bought an iPod Touch, it was what you wanted. So now you're complaining that Apple's charging you $20 for new applications. Why? You wanted what you got but are now jealous of what happened. It's technology, things happen. You can't expect things to stop after you buy something.

Most people out there don't even need this update. They won't even use it. For the people out there that want it and will use it, they will buy it. It's that simple.

At least Apple is offering you these apps. They didn't just put them on the iPhone and walk away. You would be complaining if they didn't offer them, you're complaining now. Life isn't free.

The problem for me with paying for the apps (and i did before i knew this) is that if you buy an iPod Touch today, they drop the price 20 bucks so you can then upgrade it. Anotherwords, the same iPod Touch bought today includes the applications. That is the problem for me.

[GamecockMac]

I'm very angry at this!

LOUD NOISES!!!

[toxicbomber]

Why, guys. Why? It's just $20. Just pay it and stop the ****. :D I mean... honestly... this won't happen again. Take my word for it. ;)

[Sweetbike40]

Who said you had to buy it? :rolleyes:

I'm annoyed that i have to pay for it because if i went and bought one today i wouldn't have to. If you bought today and still had to pay for the upgrade, i WOULD NOT be annoyed AT ALL. It's not a 2nd generation iPod Touch was announced and i'm upset that i don't have new features. It's the same iPod. Apple is charging $20 less for people who buy a iPod Touch today, so when they go home, they can then upgrade it. Does that seem right?

I can't stand comments like this. "Who said you had to buy it?" :mad:

[dwright1974]

I knew it wasn't an email device when I bought it. Now it can be.

So £12.99 to upgrade is excellent value for money. I have no problem with it all.

The other apps/features are a bonus (though not very useful)

Here here!

And also worth it for the extra Kudos today from those who saw mail and Google Maps - granted it was those who went ooooooh when I first got it!

Like most things, if you want that functionality then go for the upgrade, if you don't, then don't. After all, it still plays music :)

- D

[atszyman]

I'm annoyed that i have to pay for it because if i went and bought one today i wouldn't have to. If you bought today and still had to pay for the upgrade, i WOULD NOT be annoyed AT ALL. It's not a 2nd generation iPod Touch was announced and i'm upset that i don't have new features. It's the same iPod. Apple is charging $20 less for people who buy a iPod Touch today, so when they go home, they can then upgrade it. Does that seem right?

I can't stand comments like this. "Who said you had to buy it?" :mad:

If instead of including the apps with new purchases, what if the price of the iPod Touch had been dropped by $20? Would you still be mad?

[Eraserhead]

If MS were charging for a Zune software update I wonder what you'd say...

If MS charged $20 to add a web browser to the Zune I would think that would be OK, as they could otherwise just not add it.

[limbery]

At first I agreed that it was just a money grab on Apples' part....but I got to thinking that, Hey, Wasn't it worth it to have had a couple of months use or whatever time of the touch?.....say on the other hand, that Apple didn't release the touch until all the software that they had in mind was ready?...like now?....we wouldn't have had the use of ours nor the showing off fun of the new gadget etc?....Look at the $20 as a fee for having the bragging rights of being able to have the new prototype units earlier......

[Sweetbike40]

If instead of including the apps with new purchases, what if the price of the iPod Touch had been dropped by $20? Would you still be mad?


Ah... i get your point. But still, then whoever gets one now, then gets a discount on it. Whatever.

I'm so done with this topic.

I have to say, i love the applications and they are worth the $20. It really makes this $400 iPod(obviously it was meant to be more than a music player) worth the money.

[ob81]

I had a frown on my face, but I surely laid down my $20. It is weird that they would charge. Obviously the tech was there, it is in the iPhone, and the iTouch has the same software image, as was revealed with the early shipment of the itouch units. Why on earth they would charge for features that they should have had already is beyond me.

This does reveal that either Jobs is a changed man, or the prospective powers at Apple have a very strong voice. Extra for features that we should have had? Blatant gimping of Time Machine Backups to create a market for this stupid Time Crapsule? I have never seen a business slap consumers in the face so straight-forward in my life.

[Roy Hobbs]

Wow, 10 pages of crying and moaning over $20.
This is utterly ridiculous. Why should you get the apps for free??

[atszyman]

Ah... i get your point. But still, then whoever gets one now, then gets a discount on it. Whatever.

It's the nature of technology. Prices drop, devices get faster and have more memory, features are added. Any tech you buy today will probably be either cheaper or obsolete within a month.

For those who got them for Christmas, you've had the iPod Touch for over 20 days, has it brought you more than $1 a day's worth of pleasure from using it? If you had had to wait until now to get it, would you have paid $20 more to get it at Christmas?

Effectively new buyers got a $20 price cut today. But they are forced to spend that $20 on the Application suite. If you wouldn't have been mad at a $20 price cut you shouldn't be outraged about being charged for added functionality.