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Slip
Jan 15, 2008, 12:10 PM
It's official
Allow the hatred of the name to follow ;)



ILL Robinson
Jan 15, 2008, 12:13 PM
Straight from the site....

"MacBook Air is 0.16" to 0.76". The thickest part of the MacBook Air is thinner than the thinnest part of the Sony. It fits inside a envelope."

- 0.76" thick
- Magnetic latch, 13.3" widescreen display
- backlit LED
- iSight is built-in
- MacBook-like keyboard, ambient light sensor
- Multi-touch trackpad
- 1.6 GHz Standard, 1.8 GHz Option -- Intel Core 2 Duo
- 1.8" 80 GB hard disk standard, 64 GB SSD as an option
- 802.11n + Bluetooth 2.1/EDR
- 5 hours of Battery Life
- 2 GB Memory standard
- $1799
- pre-orders today (Jan. 15, 2008); available in two weeks


Damn, it sounds pretty sweet.

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:13 PM
congrats you were first your thread gets to stay lol

Locker
Jan 15, 2008, 12:13 PM
It's here, it's here! Thought it may have been a let down for a second there. What do we think? The thickest part of the MacBook Air is thinner than the thinnest part of the Sony - now that's nice! 0.16" at it's thinnest :D - The lid fits inside an envelope, muti-touch trackpad as predicted... what more can you say!?

OrangeCuse44
Jan 15, 2008, 12:14 PM
its slanty, NOOOOOOO

notjustjay
Jan 15, 2008, 12:14 PM
Wow.

0.16" thin at parts.

I'm watching the Live feed... c'mon, pictures!!

thechidz
Jan 15, 2008, 12:15 PM
multitouch trackpad!!!


%$%^#^% buyers remorse!!! lol:o:o:o

wasimyaqoob
Jan 15, 2008, 12:15 PM
It's AMAZING

But looking at first pictures from macrumourslive.com

It doesn't look that nice as an Apple product should do, however I'll wait for some better pictures to come.

I'm probably wrong!

jnc
Jan 15, 2008, 12:15 PM
I saw the TZ on screen and was scared because I thought it was the Apple design. :D

And good lord, the multi touch trackpad came true. Well %$U^% me.


it's priddy though. Is this our 13" MBP? No optical, LED backlit screen (OMG IS IT MATTE???), illuminated keyboard, iSight, 80GB/64GB SSD option, that 1.6-1.8 GHz c2d though... hmm.

What kind of displays can micro-DVI drive?

Let's see what the MBP refreshes (if any) reveal -

Edit: *slow clap* Of course, no other portable annonuncements to take the focus off this thing

After a while I stopped trying to convince myself that this fitted my needs. It doesn't - I needs me an MBP.

Pointer
Jan 15, 2008, 12:16 PM
I want one. Haven't even seen specs, already got a great laptop, don't need one. But I WANT one.

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:16 PM
Competitive baseline was the Sony TZ series.

.16" to .76" thickness. You could mail it in a large envelope.

13.3" widescreen display with LED backlight. Magnetic latch. iSight included.

Macbook-style keyboard with ambient light sensor (if this is what I have seen on Panasonic Toughbooks - it is slick).

Multi-touch trackpad.

80Gb 1.8" HDD or 64GB SSD.

1.6GHz or 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo.

j26
Jan 15, 2008, 12:17 PM
I haven't even seen it and I want one.

wasimyaqoob
Jan 15, 2008, 12:17 PM
Oh My God

Its So Bloody Thin!

Ryox
Jan 15, 2008, 12:17 PM
Wow Its So Thin!

Diode
Jan 15, 2008, 12:18 PM
Wow its like a size of a legal pad.

Should be called a legalbook

OrangeCuse44
Jan 15, 2008, 12:18 PM
Oh My God

Its So Bloody Thin!

You can barely see the damn thing.

Slip
Jan 15, 2008, 12:18 PM
Its near invisible from the side.
Man my MacBooks now obsolete ;)
But god it's thin
And SSD BTO not to forget

msharp
Jan 15, 2008, 12:18 PM
it seems that the rumors were right....

the world's thinnest, the thickest part of mba is thinner than the thinnest part of sony series...

wow....

that's SOMETHING.!

Billy Bob
Jan 15, 2008, 12:18 PM
Competitive baseline was the Sony TZ series.

.16" to .76" thickness. You could mail it in a large envelope.

13.3" widescreen display with LED backlight. Magnetic latch. iSight included.

Macbook-style keyboard with ambient light sensor (if this is what I have seen on Panasonic Toughbooks - it is slick).

Multi-touch trackpad.

80Gb 1.8" HDD or 64GB SSD.

1.6GHz or 1.8GHz Core 2 Duo.

macbook style keyboard? well that right there rules in out in my eyes

supercooled
Jan 15, 2008, 12:19 PM
It looks like a bastardized Dell/Apple design. I bezel is so unlike Apple.

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:19 PM
its slooooow though

notjustjay
Jan 15, 2008, 12:20 PM
Man. I'm going to get one of these... and I'm going to use a manila envelope as a carrying case :D

wasimyaqoob
Jan 15, 2008, 12:20 PM
Whats SSD BTO?

aswitcher
Jan 15, 2008, 12:20 PM
How much?

husJAF
Jan 15, 2008, 12:20 PM
gonna a fragile mofo...

motulist
Jan 15, 2008, 12:20 PM
This is gonna be SO expensive... (waiting for the price-shoe to drop)

thechidz
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
Has anyone mentioned the thinness of this thing?!?!?!?:rolleyes:

Locker
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
It'd have been nice if there was less plastic around the edge of the screen... Thumbs up to Intel for shrinking the processor by 60%!

KingScooty
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
"Apple asked Intel to shrink the Core 2 Duo. Intel shrunk the processor by 60%. Paul Otellini, CEO of Intel is taking the stage"

"Otellini: The processor is as thick as a nickle and as wide as a dime."

OMFG!!!! :eek:

macmike47
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
And to think how many hundreds of people were saying:

"There is no way on earth, Apple would use such a ridiculous name as MacBook Air"

Lol :D

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
Its near invisible from the side.
Man my MacBooks now obsolete ;)


no its not, your macbook is faster, and has more storage space, how is that obsolete?

Slip
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
Whats SSD BTO?

Option of a 64GB SSD drive Built To Order
80GB 1.8" drive as standard

Pointer
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
Hmmmmm black keys and the screen looks strange. How much is the key question. And only ONE USB port :O

xUKHCx
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
its slooooow though

1.8GHZ C2D isn't really slow and in something that small I'm surprised they managed to fit something that fast in there.

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:21 PM
1 USB ports?!?

thechidz
Jan 15, 2008, 12:22 PM
gonna a fragile mofo...

somehow I dont thiink so... would defeat the purpose of the portability. but we'll see.

All I know is if the price of macbook pros drop cause of this im gonna be P*%*^&:p

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:22 PM
Whats SSD BTO?

solid state harddrive, no moving parts, only available in built to order machines

sevimli
Jan 15, 2008, 12:22 PM
How big the power adapter????:confused:

ascender
Jan 15, 2008, 12:23 PM
The features and a large part of the design will be dictated by the form factor though.

j26
Jan 15, 2008, 12:23 PM
1 USB ports?!?

Hubs are cheap

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:24 PM
No optical drive included, but only a $99 accessory for external.

Hubs are cheap

And small.

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:24 PM
HAHA only 5 hours of battery life, how pathetic

and of course thats exaggerated so its closer to 4, ill keep my MBP k thx

aswitcher
Jan 15, 2008, 12:25 PM
I would like to get recommendations for a good sleek hub

notjustjay
Jan 15, 2008, 12:25 PM
$1799. Ouch.

Slip
Jan 15, 2008, 12:26 PM
Hmmmmm black keys and the screen looks strange.

Much like the Titanium PowerBook IIRC

no its not, your macbook is faster, and has more storage space, how is that obsolete?

Was a heat of the moment reaction
Though I would happily pinch that trackpad off it ;)

And on the topic of price, it sure is pricey :/

Locker
Jan 15, 2008, 12:26 PM
$1799 - owch for the specs on paper - nice though! I think I'll be getting one.

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:26 PM
hmm, guess they dont want to sell many

NightFlight
Jan 15, 2008, 12:26 PM
All I know is if the price of macbook pros drop cause of this im gonna be P*%*^&:p

I won't be, I have absolutely no use for such a machine even though spend a lot of time traveling. I would much rather have a 15" MB and if that doesn't happen I'll buy the hopefully cheaper MBP. :rolleyes:

Scuba Steve
Jan 15, 2008, 12:27 PM
Looks incredible, will be buying.

Bring on "OMG am I not going to be ablez to play Crysis at full rez, boo" posts.

citi
Jan 15, 2008, 12:27 PM
Would have been nice to have ONE firewire port. At least you can daisy chain firewire. Just because of that I'd have to pass. I was thinking I could use this with Serato but 80 gb internal is not enough for my music and everything else that I need an external drive. Serato uses the usb port so I'm a$$ed out.

dang it.

OrangeCuse44
Jan 15, 2008, 12:27 PM
screen looks goofy with the wide rim. battery life is unimpressive to say the least. just doesnt seem worth the price tag. ill happily still love my Macbook.

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:28 PM
Sony SZ and TZ models push into $2000 and even $3000. And the TZ's use slower CPUs, smaller screens, and they're still thicker and heavier then the MacBook Air.

dmr727
Jan 15, 2008, 12:28 PM
Not cheap, but it doesn't matter. Apple's gonna sell a ton of these things.

.:R2theT
Jan 15, 2008, 12:28 PM
And what's the up-charge on the 64 GB ssd? Another grand?

jnc
Jan 15, 2008, 12:28 PM
How much?

$1799 - I predicted that price :D

anansei
Jan 15, 2008, 12:29 PM
WTF are the thinking ... and also what is the video card in this thing .. this is looking like a forced product to me .. Apple may have just dropped a Cube2

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:29 PM
lets not forget another $300 for the SSD drive

plus the optical option

so that ups it to $2200

soupyjnr
Jan 15, 2008, 12:30 PM
Hey guys,

Were can I watch MacWorld 2008 live? Is there any internet sites?

citi
Jan 15, 2008, 12:30 PM
I like the ability to borrow the optical drive from your other mac or pc. I hope they make that a standard software across the board

erummel
Jan 15, 2008, 12:30 PM
Colour me underwhelmed.

But then again, I have never seen the point of paying (what is likely to be) a huge premium for a vastly inferior machine technology-wise. And by the looks of it, one that's going to be so utterly breakable and snapable that you'll pay a fortune on repairs. At 6'2" and 220 pounds my 17" MBP is almost entirely useless without an external keyboard/mouse. I can imagine trying to do anything useful on this machine. Makes a nice portable DVD player though... oh wait... not unless you buy an external Superdrive that takes up the only USB port and costs an extra $100.

The MacBook Air sounds nice... but the reality of the situation leaves quite a bit to be desired.

uNext
Jan 15, 2008, 12:31 PM
ssd cant save that processor.where in the **** are the new displays?


got dammit apple

update what matters not what you want.

Apple does not know what the diffrence between priority and want is.

Boooooooooooooooooo

jnc
Jan 15, 2008, 12:31 PM
WTF are the thinking ... and also what is the video card in this thing .. this is looking like a forced product to me .. Apple may have just dropped a Cube2

It's their foot in the door of the market. I'd like to see where this product's at in a year (probably when I'll be buying)

.:R2theT
Jan 15, 2008, 12:32 PM
lets not forget another $300 for the SSD drive



Apple's going to sell a 64 GB ssd for that cheap? How come Steve isn't saying how much? Just..."they're pricey, but they're fast".

rhett7660
Jan 15, 2008, 12:32 PM
Hell compared to the sony,,, it is a freaking steal!

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644507782&parentCategoryId=16154

OrangeCuse44
Jan 15, 2008, 12:32 PM
no "one more thing?"

wasimyaqoob
Jan 15, 2008, 12:32 PM
It will be VERY interesting to see if Steve announces anything to do with the current line MacBook Pro's!

Billy Bob
Jan 15, 2008, 12:33 PM
Hey guys,

Were can I watch MacWorld 2008 live? Is there any internet sites?

It's beyond me why you'd want to watch a balding ego maniac walk around in a turtle neck telling everyone how much better his company is than the competition

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:34 PM
Apple's going to sell a 64 GB ssd for that cheap? How come Steve isn't saying how much? Just..."they're pricey, but they're fast".

Super Talent 128GB SSD drives are $4000.

So a 64GB is going to be in four figures, most likely.

coolant113
Jan 15, 2008, 12:34 PM
what a beutiful machine!!! i just wish they incorporated touch screen with it:apple::apple:

Dimwhit
Jan 15, 2008, 12:34 PM
Interesting! I can't afford it, but I could definitely find some uses for it.

notjustjay
Jan 15, 2008, 12:34 PM
Anyone lol

Well, the keynote's almost over anyway... you might as well just wait and see it tonight on streaming QuickTime.

OK, so I probably won't pay the Early Adopter Tax for this one. But I'd love to see what people think of this machine. And even if I never end up buying one (and so far, this seems unlikely) I *am* very excited about what this may mean for the future of their traditional MacBook or MacBook Pro lines. I suspect some of the features will start rubbing off on them within the next few refreshes.

Speaking of which, we're still waiting for the "one more thing"... c'mon Apple!

HenMaster6000
Jan 15, 2008, 12:35 PM
boo hoo, i wanted a new mbp.

frankly, the mba is weird. i don't get who it's for.

Locker
Jan 15, 2008, 12:35 PM
Hell compared to the sony,,, it is a freaking steal!

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=16154
I had no idea these were so expensive... wow.

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:36 PM
no "one more thing?"

no the macbook air was the one more thing

unless you think there might be something that can top that

msizzle64
Jan 15, 2008, 12:36 PM
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

Guided tour, pics, and tv ad

NightFlight
Jan 15, 2008, 12:37 PM
frankly, the mba is weird. i don't get who it's for.

Neither do I. :rolleyes:

notjustjay
Jan 15, 2008, 12:37 PM
no the macbook air was the one more thing

unless you think there might be something that can top that

Can't be... he walked in saying there were 4 things, and the "air" was number 4.

A "one more thing" by definition is something you're supposed to think he wasn't going to talk about, and then at the very end he pulls it out of his hat.

Either it's still coming, or there won't be one.

soupyjnr
Jan 15, 2008, 12:37 PM
Had a quick peek at the 'MacBook Air' - I dont like it! I dont like the look of it.

Prefer the ones which are out now! Anyone else think the same

MacRumors
Jan 15, 2008, 12:37 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple announced a new line of portable computers during Steve Jobs' keynote speech at MacWorld San Fransisco today, the MacBook Air. The new line is a complement to the existing MacBook and MacBook Pro lines.

Features of the new portable include being "the world's thinnest notebook," at 0.16" to 0.76" - thinner than the the thinnest part of a Sony TZ series laptop. Screen size is an LED backlit 13.3" widescreen with a magnetic latch. The MacBook Air keyboard is MacBook-like, but with an ambient light sensor. The new machines feature a multi-touch trackpad, allowing the user to double-tap and move. Rotate a photo by pivoting your index finger around your thumb, as well as pinch & zoom.

Additionally there's a 45 Watt MagSafe power adapter, a Micro-DVI out as well as Audio Out, 802.11n + Bluetooth 2.1/EDR. There's a 1.8" hard drive for storage - either 80GB standard, or a 64GB SSD as an option. Intel shrunk the size of the Core 2 Duo chip by 60% to fit in the new machine.

Battery life is approximately 5 hours. No optical drive is on the MacBook Air, but a SuperDrive accessory is available for $99. There's also new software being released that allows the portable to "borrow" a Mac or PC's optical drive. All models feature 2GB of memory standard.

The case is fully aluminum (good for recycling), the first fully mercury and lead free display, circuit boards are BFR free, and retail packaging are 56% less volume than a MacBook.

The new MacBook Air starts at $1799 is available for pre-order today, and is expected to be shipping in two weeks.
MacHeist (http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkeynote.macheist.com&t=1200412826) is providing full sponsorship for our MacRumorsLive feed today. Buy their 11 application bundle (http://www.macrumors.com/c.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkeynote.macheist.com&t=1200412826) for $49 and support MacRumorsLive.

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Beowulf666
Jan 15, 2008, 12:38 PM
Well there you have it ladies and gents. I for one will never actually think of getting a MBA, but I have to admit, it does look pretty snazzy with its' incredibly thin body. Just out of curiosity, how many of you are thinking of getting one once it comes out?

dizastor
Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
really a beautiful notebook.

I wish there were updates to the macbook and macbook pro as well.

and at least "one more thing"

Sonicjay
Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
Apple store is back online

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
Well there you have it ladies and gents. I for one will never actually think of getting a MBA, but I have to admit, it does look pretty snazzy with its' incredibly thin body. Just out of curiosity, how many of you are thinking of getting one once it comes out?

id have to go hold one in the store to fall in love with it before that happens

ksz
Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
Apple Store is up and the SSD version of MacBook Air is $3098.

frick
Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
Looks like the 64gb SSD upgrade is $1000.

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
frankly, the mba is weird. i don't get who it's for.

People who value style over substance - and I am not being snarky when I say that. Especially since I plan to get one, and I'm not a hypocrite. :D

Executives, for example, would want it because it looks cool. They don't need a super-powered laptop in the conference or board room because they have one back in the office or they have "people ("staff") who do that for me".

I want something ultra-light and thin when on the road. And this is it.

Peace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:39 PM
3 grand for the SSD version

dbooth
Jan 15, 2008, 12:40 PM
sadly dissapoint in this keynote

all we got is an overpirce notebook

1800 is over priced and not worth it IMHO

.:R2theT
Jan 15, 2008, 12:40 PM
$3,098 for 64 GB (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&node=home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air)

OrangeCuse44
Jan 15, 2008, 12:40 PM
from Arstechnica -

rofl, high-end MacBook Air is $3100 with SSD hard drive

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:40 PM
holy crap 3098 for the 1.8gig model with the SSD drive

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:40 PM
Exactly what I am looking for as a travel notebook. Sign me up (with the 80GB HDD).

thechidz
Jan 15, 2008, 12:40 PM
Macbook air guided tour up on apple.com

Sonicjay
Jan 15, 2008, 12:41 PM
lets not forget another $300 for the SSD drive

plus the optical option

so that ups it to $2200

LOL.. check the Apple store: $3098!!

SthrnCmfrtr
Jan 15, 2008, 12:41 PM
13" is not ultraportable... I don't care what anyone says.

icecone
Jan 15, 2008, 12:41 PM
1 usb is ridiculous and black keyboard is ugly
but it's really THIN!!!

cloudblood84
Jan 15, 2008, 12:41 PM
1799....ouch

smiddlehurst
Jan 15, 2008, 12:41 PM
WTF are the thinking ... and also what is the video card in this thing .. this is looking like a forced product to me .. Apple may have just dropped a Cube2

Forgive me but do you consider what other people might want from a machine before you declare the product dead or is it just your opinion that counts?

I guarantee you that at this very moment IT departments across the land are fearing for their budgets when one of their executives claps their eyes on this. It's not a performance box, none of the ultra-portables out there are, but as far as I know there's nothing to touch this on performance in this packaging. A 1.6Ghz Core 2 Duo is MORE than enough for the majority of people and for those that need more there's the MBP line. 80Gb hard drive might be less than you'd like but I've got just that in my MB and that's got a bootcamp partition installed as well as all my apps, music, documents, photos etc and there's still at least 30gb free.

The price is a little steep but, again, for these sort of machines it actually seems to be quite low (pending build-to-order costs of course). For those that really want something slim and light to carry around this is going to be ideal. Is it going to be the top selling Mac Laptop? No, not a chance. But a profitable product to draw yet more attention to the company and get more people thinking about switching? Yep, it'll do that very nicely indeed.

Me? I'll stick with my 17" MBP for now as I do, on occasion, have need of the raw grunt and, more importantly, the screen real estate. But for my wife this could be a very nice option indeed.

biturbomunkie
Jan 15, 2008, 12:41 PM
i was gonna say... 1.8ghz for $3098! :eek:

i'd have to think thrice even if it was as fast as my 2.16ghz.

and the whole design looks kinda goofy, non-apple like.

Slip
Jan 15, 2008, 12:42 PM
Like another member posted, I think that I'm more excited about these features revealed trickling down to the MacBook/Pro ie the MultiTouch trackpad.

anansei
Jan 15, 2008, 12:42 PM
1280X800

for 1800

hahaha

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:42 PM
And what's the up-charge on the 64 GB ssd? Another grand?

you called it!! the option is $999

shoelessone
Jan 15, 2008, 12:42 PM
I reallky want to know if the multitouch software will also be available for the current MacBook Pros (and MacBooks I suppose!)

brettgo1
Jan 15, 2008, 12:43 PM
3000 bucks for the 1.8Ghz with 64GB SSD... wt?

That's way too expensive

frick
Jan 15, 2008, 12:43 PM
The Macbook Air seems pretty pointless without the SSD drive, too... 4200rpm HDD?

uNext
Jan 15, 2008, 12:43 PM
3098 thats a macpro and a lcd monitor now a days.

Who is willing to shell? 3098 for a 1.8ghz, 1 usb system?

does that even make sense?

No optical drive -1 usb, you have to buy the superdrive for 99.99 on top of the price....WOW


LOL

Eidorian
Jan 15, 2008, 12:43 PM
Looks like my MacBook is safe and my prediction of USB to Ethernet was correct.

shoelessone
Jan 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
13" is not ultraportable... I don't care what anyone says.

Yep.

This is the sad but honest truth. Frankly I'd say this is almost LESS portable than the current macbook, because I'd imagine the fact that it is so rediculously thin means that it's easier to bend/break.

Eee laptop is ultra portable, this is the same size for all practical purposes as the current macbook.

squeeks
Jan 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
no ram options...only one ram slot?

heatmiser
Jan 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
Come on, folks. Repeat after me: Apple hardware is not more expensive than matched PC hardware!

dbooth
Jan 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
the fact that the units battery is internal will become a huge issue for the ultra protable user not to mention a mess to replace

Small White Car
Jan 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
all we got is an overpirce notebook

Here we go.

I said, weeks ago, that a tiny notebook from Apple would cost more than the Macbook and be less powerful. Seems obvious, but I guess it's not.

The 'Air' is perfect for those who need it. (Which I suspect is a lot of people.) Anyone who says it's "made wrong" or "overpriced" was expecting a different product. I'm sorry you were misled by rumor sites, but that's not Apple's fault.

Dimwhit
Jan 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
Looks like the 64gb SSD upgrade is $1000.

Damn. I know SSD is expensive, but that seems excessive!

weckart
Jan 15, 2008, 12:44 PM
I do not want to be a downer, but frankly there is nothing impressive about the MBA at all. Sony et al have done it already. And better. The price is OK, I suppose, considering what some of these go for, but an 11" screen would have been better.

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
wow. $3098 and it has a 13" screen.

what the hell just happened here?

iPhoneHome
Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
she's so sexy
http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1373/store.apple.com/Catalog/regional/amr/macbook-air/img/gallery-big-01.jpg

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
Damn. I know SSD is expensive, but that seems excessive!

That is a bargain, considering SuperTalent wants $4600 for their 128GB unit.

bigiffo
Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
Check Apple Website

OrangeCuse44
Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
No one in their right mind would pay $3,100 for this thing.

Note: I said "right mind"

Philter
Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
What a turd frankly... how about stop making crappy gadgets for people who think computers are a form of clothing and not a tool...

twoodcc
Jan 15, 2008, 12:45 PM
can't wait to see one of these in person

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 12:46 PM
Here we go.

I said, weeks ago, that a tiny notebook from Apple would cost more than the Macbook and be less powerful. Seems obvious, but I guess it's not.

The 'Air' is perfect for those who need it. (Which I suspect is a lot of people.) Anyone who says it's "made wrong" or "overpriced" was expecting a different product. I'm sorry you were misled by rumor sites, but that's not Apple's fault.

i don't know anyone who would pay $3098 for a Macbook that didn't have Pro next to it.

darwinian
Jan 15, 2008, 12:46 PM
This is very close to my next laptop, which will be completely solid state ...

that display bezel isn't very attractive to me.

Spliff
Jan 15, 2008, 12:47 PM
There was no mention of what graphics card they will be using. I assume that since it is a MBP, it should contain a dedicated GPU and VRAM.

mainstreetmark
Jan 15, 2008, 12:47 PM
1280X800

for 1800

hahaha

Then don't buy it! Jeez... You can't get 1920 AND a miniature form factor.

In fact, seriously, if you join this forum and this thread just to point out a missing feature, please try to understand that the thing is .75 thick, and is made for those to whom SIZE and not HORSEPOWER is the key.

If you need other stuff, check out the MB or MBP - each have strengths.

Philter
Jan 15, 2008, 12:47 PM
$3000 platform to surf the web on a tiny screen... pass me the crack pipe Steve

MacBoySeattle
Jan 15, 2008, 12:48 PM
Hahahaha They took a standard 13.3" Macbook, made it a little thinner, and slapped a new name on it. LOL That's not an ultra-portable, that's taking the behemoth Macbook and modernizing it a bit to make it a little thinner. LOL I love how Steve called out the Sony TZ, as if somehow this were an ultra-portable. The thing weighs 3 lbs and has a 13.3" screen, it's not a TZ in anything other than frickin thickness. The TZ or even the EEE-pc are tiny by comparison.

And all the Mac-sheep go BAH BAH BAH BAH BAH. What a crappy product. An underpowered thinner Macbook that's not an ultra-portable, not small enough, not light enough, and really fits no market category except a thinner "standard" laptop. They should really get rid of Steve. He's bringing NOTHING to the table lately but crap.

$1799 for this piece of garbage? LOL You can buy 5 EEE PCs. And you can actually put those in your pocket.

Build a frickin UMPC Apple, your new product "wows" are drying up when your new technology is increasingly recycled crappy technology in a prettier form.

Rocketman
Jan 15, 2008, 12:50 PM
$3098 pricey with SSD? Um, ya.

Rocketman

anansei
Jan 15, 2008, 12:50 PM
This product is only a smattering of what it could have been if apple would have waited. In the next year there will be advances in battery life, size and technology. As well as processor speed in relation to size. It is also my opinion but one which is very well informed. I declare this product to be a piece of what is to come or if anything a piece of infrastructure for future development. As for the price maybe I am wrong expecting more for my buck so to speak. Is the "more" in this case a drop in size because a few pounds (MBP) can be so heavy and all. Perhaps this is the laptop line designed for the on the go anorexic -






Forgive me but do you consider what other people might want from a machine before you declare the product dead or is it just your opinion that counts?

I guarantee you that at this very moment IT departments across the land are fearing for their budgets when one of their executives claps their eyes on this. It's not a performance box, none of the ultra-portables out there are, but as far as I know there's nothing to touch this on performance in this packaging. A 1.6Ghz Core 2 Duo is MORE than enough for the majority of people and for those that need more there's the MBP line. 80Gb hard drive might be less than you'd like but I've got just that in my MB and that's got a bootcamp partition installed as well as all my apps, music, documents, photos etc and there's still at least 30gb free.

The price is a little steep but, again, for these sort of machines it actually seems to be quite low (pending build-to-order costs of course). For those that really want something slim and light to carry around this is going to be ideal. Is it going to be the top selling Mac Laptop? No, not a chance. But a profitable product to draw yet more attention to the company and get more people thinking about switching? Yep, it'll do that very nicely indeed.

Me? I'll stick with my 17" MBP for now as I do, on occasion, have need of the raw grunt and, more importantly, the screen real estate. But for my wife this could be a very nice option indeed.

clevin
Jan 15, 2008, 12:50 PM
should i say again?
SSD harddrive + journaled system like OSX sounds like a disaster combo to me.

dbooth
Jan 15, 2008, 12:51 PM
Did Anyone Notice The Battery Issue Its Internal!!!!!!!!!

Small White Car
Jan 15, 2008, 12:51 PM
i don't know anyone who would pay $3098 for a Macbook that didn't have Pro next to it.

$3000 platform to surf the web on a tiny screen... pass me the crack pipe Steve

I love how everyone complaining about the price just ignores the $1,799 model. Like it doesn't exist or something.

I guess bringing that up just doesn't sound as good, huh?

zioxide
Jan 15, 2008, 12:51 PM
FAIL

They should call this the Macbook Cube, because it's going to go the way of the Cube within a year or two.

snowfall
Jan 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
There was no mention of what graphics card they will be using. I assume that since it is a MBP, it should contain a dedicated GPU and VRAM.

Just saw on the store site that it uses GMA X3100.... and it's not the Pro it's the Air.

I'd surprised if they were able to fit a GPU in there, but I'm still disappointed that they didn't...

Ah well, my 12" PB hasn't reached the end of its life yet. Granted, the Air does look mighty cool...

darwinian
Jan 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
What other laptop mfg is putting SSD drives in their machines? No one expects them to sell in great qty, but coming to market with it is a good step in the right direction.

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
This product is only a smattering of what it could have been if apple would have waited. In the next year there will be advances in battery life, size and technology. As well as processor speed in relation to size.

And that is why they will release a new one at MWSF 2009. :D

clevin
Jan 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
I love how everyone complaining about the price just ignores the $1,799 model. Like it doesn't exist or something.

I guess bringing that up just doesn't sound as good, huh?

1799 is still over priced.

Matto1020
Jan 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
I will happily stick with my MBP.

I didnt like that they took out the DVD Rom. The fact that they lowered the harddrive is crazy...people already complain about the 120GB space limitations. The keyboard is ugly. And its not like the MBP is huge...it is perfectly portable for me.

Philter
Jan 15, 2008, 12:52 PM
There was something in the air in the Apple labs... the sweet stench of cannabis

Rocketman
Jan 15, 2008, 12:53 PM
This product is only a smattering of what it could have been if apple would have waited. In the next year there will be advances in battery life, size and technology.

Look at the microscopic motherboard! Also look at its aspect ratio. If that were put into a MID form factor with clamshell and dual display, the lower one being a display keyboard, we may some day have our long awaited iPhone not nano.

Rocketman

benfilan
Jan 15, 2008, 12:53 PM
wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wowowowowowowowowowowowowow

WOW!!!

effing beautiful. I want one! it looks phenomenal.

Cybix
Jan 15, 2008, 12:53 PM
I love it, looks lovely.. just watched the ad/product demo..

BUT, no network port? big issue for a consultant/admin like me :( I see they are doing a USB dongle/adapter for eth, like the modem. hrmmm.

v'nice looking on the site!

gloss
Jan 15, 2008, 12:54 PM
Let the bitching commence. You people are unbelievable. This is a gorgeous machine, and both more affordable and more technically dazzling than ANYTHING else in this weight category.

God almighty.

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 12:54 PM
Then don't buy it! Jeez... You can't get 1920 AND a miniature form factor.

In fact, seriously, if you join this forum and this thread just to point out a missing feature, please try to understand that the thing is .75 thick, and is made for those to whom SIZE and not HORSEPOWER is the key.

If you need other stuff, check out the MB or MBP - each have strengths.

This is a discussion forum though, right? I think it's a valid point that consumers would have to pay a premium for an underperforming, but beautiful laptop.

MacBoySeattle
Jan 15, 2008, 12:54 PM
What other laptop mfg is putting SSD drives in their machines? No one expects them to sell in great qty, but coming to market with it is a good step in the right direction.

The EEE PC, unlike this piece of garbage fronting as a UMPC, comes with standard flash ram, is a REAL ultra-portable in size, and is $199-$399.

biturbomunkie
Jan 15, 2008, 12:54 PM
There was no mention of what graphics card they will be using. I assume that since it is a MBP, it should contain a dedicated GPU and VRAM.

this is no pro, it's air.


Intel GMA X3100 graphics processor with 144MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory

dbooth
Jan 15, 2008, 12:56 PM
1799 is still over priced.

AGREED

this will not sell very well its gonna be way to nitchy. Apple had alot of the college crowd with the macbook but i don't think there gonna be able to sell this nearly as well

MacBoySeattle
Jan 15, 2008, 12:56 PM
Let the bitching commence. You people are unbelievable. This is a gorgeous machine, and both more affordable and more technically dazzling than ANYTHING else in this weight category.

God almighty.

It's the ultimate piece of garbage. It's a standard 13.3" laptop that been shrunk as far as ONLY thickness. It is not an ultra-portable, it's not even that light at 3 pounds. It's hardware crippled despite it's huge screen in the realm of UMPCs. And it's overpriced. Essentially it's a modernized Macbook standard laptop that fits no category and is garbage.

gloubibou
Jan 15, 2008, 12:56 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crashboombang/

bigiffo
Jan 15, 2008, 12:56 PM
Do you think current MBPs and MacBooks will be able to use the new toutchpad gestures? Perhaps in 10.5.2?

bijou
Jan 15, 2008, 12:57 PM
NO firewire
NO ethernet
NO eSATA connection

:mad:

FX120
Jan 15, 2008, 12:57 PM
I'll be passing on the Air.

With the 1.8" standard drive, I don't care how fast the processor is, the thing is going to be uselessly slow for ANYTHING. I would have rather had a ULV processor and a 2.5" drive.

And an extra $1000 for the SSD, that just places the price too high for a machine that I can't even use for recording because it lacks a firewire port.

Also, it isn't as thin as the pictures on Apple's site would lead you to belive.

Based on the picture I attached, it looks like the entire laptop is about .7" thick untill the last inch before the front, where it tapers to .17".

So for ~1/4" of an inch in thickness, they cut most of the functionality out of the machine.

kornyboy
Jan 15, 2008, 12:57 PM
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It is an amazing laptop but just not for me. The size isn't worth the price for me. I don't travel with a Mac for work and don't travel enough personally to justify. It would be great in a large city where there are lots of hot spots though or for someone who is always on the road for work. This would shed quite a bit of bulk and weight.

gloss
Jan 15, 2008, 12:58 PM
The EEE PC, unlike this piece of garbage fronting as a UMPC, comes with standard flash ram, is a REAL ultra-portable in size, and is $199-$399.

Also a 7 inch screen, 2-8GB of HD space, a mobile OS, a single core 900mhz Celeron-M, half the battery life.

Oh, and it weighs 0.5 pounds less, for all that lost hardware.

So...2x the screen measurement, 10x the HD space, a full-powered Core 2 Duo processor (with each core running at nearly twice the speed of the Eee's single Celeron), 2GB of RAM, and 2x the battery life is not worth the extra money?

Arrighty then. Keep on smokin'.

Mac21ND
Jan 15, 2008, 12:58 PM
It's the ultimate piece of garbage. It's a standard 13.3" laptop that been shrunk as far as ONLY thickness. It is not an ultra-portable, it's not even that light at 3 pounds. It's hardware crippled despite it's huge screen in the realm of UMPCs. And it's overpriced. Essentially it's a modernized Macbook standard laptop that fits no category and is garbage.

The only people who are calling it an ultramobile PC are in this forum. It's a smaller, lighter MacBook for those customers who desire that. If they don't won't it, they won't buy it.

Also, it's not overpriced. Instead of complaining, offer what you think it should cost.

anansei
Jan 15, 2008, 12:58 PM
I am actually happy that I can still look at my MBP and say - yes!

Philter
Jan 15, 2008, 12:59 PM
Apple is out of touch with what actual computer users need in terms of hardware.

Apple stock is not reacting well to this turd of a computer.

MacBoySeattle
Jan 15, 2008, 12:59 PM
Also a 7 inch screen, 2-8GB of HD space, a mobile OS, a single core 900mhz Celeron-M, half the battery life.

Oh, and it weighs 0.5 pounds less, for all that lost hardware.

So...2x the screen measurement, 10x the HD space, a full-powered Core 2 Duo processor (with each core running at nearly twice the speed of the Eee's single Celeron), 2GB of RAM, and 2x the battery life is not worth the extra money?

Arrighty then. Keep on smokin'.


LOL It's $300 and it has an SSD (or flash ram) instead of a garbage 1.8" harddrive. HAHAHA There is no way you can convince me that this Macbook Air garbage is worth a price premium of 9 times. Wake up Mac sheep.

iliketomac
Jan 15, 2008, 01:00 PM
I concur, it's priced on the high side... Even more than when the 12" PowerBook was in the market a few years ago! I think it should have been priced at $1499 (or lower?). And $3098 for the Air with the 64GB solid state drive? WOW! That's way more than my 2.6GHz MacBook Pro! :eek:

Slip
Jan 15, 2008, 01:00 PM
Come on guys, we all knew that this was never gunna be a competitor to the standard MB in terms of price and power, but, isn't this what people have been saying they wanted since the 12" PB was killed?
Admittedly, the 13" screen is a little too big to be truly ultra portable, 12 would have been preferable.

g4cubed
Jan 15, 2008, 01:00 PM
There was something in the air in the Apple labs... the sweet stench of cannabis

Cannabis no, but crack... maybe ;)

DeuceDeuce
Jan 15, 2008, 01:00 PM
The EEE PC, unlike this piece of garbage fronting as a UMPC, comes with standard flash ram, is a REAL ultra-portable in size, and is $199-$399.

Please dont even try and compare the two... What a joke? 2-8gb? Cmon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC

Spades
Jan 15, 2008, 01:00 PM
What's the point of making it so thin if you keep the footprint of a full size laptop.

Matto1020
Jan 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
I am actually happy that I can still look at my MBP and say - yes!

Amen.

My feelings exactly.

mikelcroft
Jan 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
Eh, it's cute.

color me unimpressed.

snowfall
Jan 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
I will happily stick with my MBP.

I didnt like that they took out the DVD Rom. The fact that they lowered the harddrive is crazy...people already complain about the 120GB space limitations. The keyboard is ugly. And its not like the MBP is huge...it is perfectly portable for me.

That doesn't bother me as much as that it's 4200 rpm... but oh well, it still looks like a beautiful machine that will fit the business traveller.

zdobson
Jan 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
I will happily stick with my MBP.

I didnt like that they took out the DVD Rom. The fact that they lowered the harddrive is crazy...people already complain about the 120GB space limitations. The keyboard is ugly. And its not like the MBP is huge...it is perfectly portable for me.

This is a niche product, guys. This computer would make a great companion to an iMac or Mac Pro. I don't think it's designed to be someone's only system. I'll happily lose the optical drive for slim factor. Same goes for the 80GB HD. I don't need much storage when pairing this with my Mac Pro.

1799 is still over priced.

We'll see if it's overpriced or not based on how much it sells.

scrambledwonder
Jan 15, 2008, 01:01 PM
Oh Snap! Quick, somebody design a MBA sleeve that looks like a manilla envelope! You'll make millions!!

Azurael
Jan 15, 2008, 01:02 PM
This is absolutely pathetic. If I wanted a 13" machine, I'd buy a MacBook. It would be cheaper, it would have a bigger HDD, it would have a built in optical drive, and as far as I can see, the battery life wouldn't be much different. Worse, this machine only looks thin because of the tapered edges. I don't care if it's the thinnest notebook in the world, it's only 1/4 inch thinner than a macbook, which frankly, is intangible.

Where's the REAL ultra-portable, Apple?

bloodycape
Jan 15, 2008, 01:02 PM
Am I the only one who thinks 5 hours of battery is pretty low considering other thin laptops can get like 8-10 hours.


Where's the REAL ultra-portable, Apple?
What do you mean real ultra portable are you looking for something that has a 10 or 11 inch screen?

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 01:03 PM
Let the bitching commence. You people are unbelievable. This is a gorgeous machine, and both more affordable and more technically dazzling than ANYTHING else in this weight catagory.

God almighty.

Okay, we're not taking anything away from the design. It's the most beautifully designed machine per usual with Apple products. Even if I'm not the target audience, find me a target audience that will pay the premium for this. I don't think it's wrong to be put off by this product. I think it would do Apple and this forum a great disservice just to fall in line and not question it. $3000 for nothing but a smaller solid state drive makes me scratch my head.

No doubt, I'm sure as time goes on, Apple will perfect this machine and we'll see something that will make it worth it's pricetag. But for right now, I don't see it. And I honestly haven't seen a decent argument in favor of this besides "it's beautiful".

Scarlett Johanssen is "beautiful", but she's still a bit out of my price range.

FireArse
Jan 15, 2008, 01:03 PM
no ram options...only one ram slot?

I think you hit the nail on the head here - is it onboard RAM? All 2GB?! Thats going to be a weak point of this unit.

Still think my 12PB has a great deal of life - Leopard runs very nicely indeed on it.

F

MacBoySeattle
Jan 15, 2008, 01:03 PM
What's the point of making it so thin if you keep the footprint of a full size laptop.

That is the quote of the day. What the hell was Jobs thinking? If you're going to make a UMPC, make a frickin UMPC. Don't make a thinner, modernized 13.3" standard laptop and act like it's a ultra-portable.

ruutiveijari
Jan 15, 2008, 01:04 PM
Damn. I really was hoping for a 11-12" laptop. Thinness is a useless quality, small footprint would have been much better.

Intarweb
Jan 15, 2008, 01:04 PM
This is absolutely pathetic. If I wanted a 13" machine, I'd buy a MacBook. It would be cheaper, it would have a bigger HDD, it would have a built in optical drive, and as far as I can see, the battery life wouldn't be much different. Worse, this machine only looks thin because of the tapered edges. I don't care if it's the thinnest notebook in the world, it's only 1/4 inch thinner than a macbook, which frankly, is intangible.

Where's the REAL ultra-portable, Apple?

There is no reason for anybody to buy it. Not one single reason. Because of form factor/weight...please.

iAFC
Jan 15, 2008, 01:04 PM
When I saw the price and the optional SuperDrive (they could at least include it for free in the box, for God's sake!) I thought it was a load of crap. Then I saw the pictures of this ****** notebook, which looks exactly like a Dell or something. What can I say? Unfortunately, Vaio TZ is still the way to go in this market.

MvdM
Jan 15, 2008, 01:05 PM
Mono speaker, no FireWire, no ethernet, no optical. Well, that's how they put a Mac in it.

corywoolf
Jan 15, 2008, 01:05 PM
What a rip off. Just a pricey toy. Not very functional IMO. One USB port?!? Good for the rich people that have a Mac Pro 3.2 Ghz and want a portable to go along with it I guess. I would definitely wait for the next revision. The price will drop a bit and it will have better battery life. The biggest shocker was that it didn't have a flash drive as standard. I like the Macbook Air, but it just looks too expensive/ limited for college students. I guess the thicker brother (Macbook) will have to suffice for the college crowd for now. This definitely confirms what the next MacBook Pro's will look like. The keyboard change is a given, maybe the form factor as well. Obviously they wont be as thin, but the curves will be similar.

clevin
Jan 15, 2008, 01:05 PM
Please dont even try and compare the two... What a joke? 2-8gb? Cmon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC

there is a SD slot for eee pc, i now has 12G, 8G sd card are $50, cheap!

PS. SSD harddrive is shortlived, especially with journaled system like OSX, whoever like to pay $3000 for a 2-3 life span laptop is beyond me.

zakatov
Jan 15, 2008, 01:05 PM
Damn. I really was hoping for a 11-12" laptop. Thinness is a useless quality, small footprint would have been much better.

So u'd rather have a thicker, slower laptop with a smaller screen just to save 1-2in diagonally :confused: ur crazy

mandoman
Jan 15, 2008, 01:06 PM
Only complaint is no firewire. Boo hoo. Otherwise, what
an incredible looking machine!

Mac21ND
Jan 15, 2008, 01:06 PM
Okay, we're not taking anything away from the design. It's the most beautifully designed machine per usual with Apple products. Even if I'm not the target audience, find me a target audience that will pay the premium for this. I don't think it's wrong to be put off by this product. I think it would do Apple and this forum a great disservice just to fall in line and not question it. $3000 for nothing but a smaller solid state drive makes me scratch my head.

No doubt, I'm sure as time goes on, Apple will perfect this machine and we'll see something that will make it worth it's pricetag. But for right now, I don't see it. And I honestly haven't seen a decent argument in favor of this besides "it's beautiful".

Scarlett Johanssen is "beautiful", but she's still a bit out of my price range.

Well, beside beautiful, add thinner, lighter, an LED screen, and the first Mac to have an option for a solid state harddrive. All of those things are engineering achievements, as far as I'm concerned, and warrant the extra cost above a regular MacBook.

jhande
Jan 15, 2008, 01:06 PM
Am I the only one who thinks 5 hours of battery is pretty low considering other thin laptops can get like 8-10 hours.

And, what is the difference in battery life between the SSD and harddrive version, if any?

If it would have lasted a full day (8 hours min), that would have made it a must buy. As it is, it's nice, and will probably do well, but I'll take a 'wait and see' attitude.

Jonny427
Jan 15, 2008, 01:06 PM
I love how everyone is bashing its price. Go to sony and compare prices, you're looking at about a $1-300 savings, depending on the specs. $999 for a 64GB solid state is right in line with what most manufactuers charge. So for basically the same price, you're getting a much prettier computer that runs OSX.

This is obviously not for everyone (and definitely not for me), which is why they have a whole line of products... why does everyone think this specific model needs all the specs of its sibilings?

zdobson
Jan 15, 2008, 01:06 PM
I think there are a lot of people on here who wouldn't be satisfied by anything Apple had to offer. I'm not saying this is the most amazing computer ever, but it's cool. Keep in mind that Apple is limited by current technology and by the prices of that technology. Some people here are expecting features or prices that are just not possible at the moment. The technology you imagine will never compare to what actually exists at the moment.

Phil A.
Jan 15, 2008, 01:07 PM
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well I'm getting one 'cos it fits my requirements perfectly as a complement to my mac pro.
Just got to decide if the SSD can be justified now ;)

MacBoySeattle
Jan 15, 2008, 01:07 PM
The Vaio TZ is better in every regard, as it is actually, OH MY GOD, a REAL UMPC, and not a 13.3" standard laptop that's been crippled and made thinner acting like it's an ultra-portable. And if you want a cheaper ultra portable, one that you can really fit into your pocket, buy an EEE-PC. This thing is a piece of junk.

bijou
Jan 15, 2008, 01:07 PM
So which one of you is willing to be an iGuinea pig so you can report back to us on just how much this stack of credit cards sucks?

Philter
Jan 15, 2008, 01:08 PM
Apple stock tanking atm

Markleshark
Jan 15, 2008, 01:08 PM
It's a good job its well sexy, coz thats a stupid name. ;)

zerger
Jan 15, 2008, 01:08 PM
They shaved two pounds and raised the price $700! I wonder what you get if you take the DVD drive out of the Macbook and replace the HD with an SSD, how much would it weight (never mind if it is practical).

Yes, the Sony TZ retails for more. However a business user is more likely to spring for a system that integrates with their corperate PCs. It has a beautiful form factor, but in the end, no market. I do agree with others that it is more a preview of things to come than a marketable good. A concept computer, if you will.

snowfall
Jan 15, 2008, 01:09 PM
Come on guys, we all knew that this was never gunna be a competitor to the standard MB in terms of price and power, but, isn't this what people have been saying they wanted since the 12" PB was killed?
Admittedly, the 13" screen is a little too big to be truly ultra portable, 12 would have been preferable.

Actually, I personally wanted a smaller sized Pro machine, this doesn't appear to be it. Specs off of Apple site:

1.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4MB shared L2 cache

2GB (onboard) [no mention of expansion]
80GB Parallel ATA, 4200 rpm

Intel GMA X3100 graphics processor with 144MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory

So it's slower than MacBook, has the same hard drive (yet with less storage) as the MacBook, and the same barebones graphics as the Macbook. It's certainly much thinner (and a beauty of a design), but I still declare my 12" Powerbook king.

I feel that if they had just gone ahead and released a 13" Pro computer two years ago, they would have filled a big market niche and not felt the pressure to come out with something so cool and different design-wise, just something really good and functional.

headfuzz
Jan 15, 2008, 01:09 PM
And an extra $1000 for the SSD, that just places the price too high for a machine that I can't even use for recording because it lacks a firewire port.

The lack of Firewire is a real shame, USB soundcards are generally inferior to their Firewire cousins, from my experience :(

I'm guessing the hard drive isn't user replaceable...?

EDIT: I still think it looks AMAZING though!

bijou
Jan 15, 2008, 01:09 PM
I think there are a lot of people on here who wouldn't be satisfied by anything Apple had to offer. I'm not saying this is the most amazing computer ever, but it's cool.

Not true. I love my MBP. If the Air had turned out to be a mini-MBP, than I'd be all over it.

iHerzeleid
Jan 15, 2008, 01:09 PM
The Vaio TZ is better in every regard, as it is actually, OH MY GOD, a REAL UMPC, and not a 13.3" standard laptop that's been crippled and made thinner acting like it's an ultra-portable. And if you want a cheaper ultra portable, one that you can really fit into your pocket, buy an EEE-PC. This thing is a piece of junk.

ok we heard the the first time. good for you.

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 01:10 PM
Well, beside beautiful, add thinner, lighter, an LED screen, and the first Mac to have an option for a solid state harddrive. All of those things are engineering achievements, as far as I'm concerned, and warrant the extra cost above a regular MacBook.

I'm content in saying this is another design structure for the mac that Apple will develop further.

zioxide
Jan 15, 2008, 01:11 PM
The Vaio TZ is better in every regard, as it is actually, OH MY GOD, a REAL UMPC, and not a 13.3" standard laptop that's been crippled and made thinner acting like it's an ultra-portable. And if you want a cheaper ultra portable, one that you can really fit into your pocket, buy an EEE-PC. This thing is a piece of junk.

QFT right there.

The rest of you need to stop listening to the RDF

bloodycape
Jan 15, 2008, 01:11 PM
Kind of odd that the Sony UX umpc has had a 64gb ssd options for almost a year that only cost like $700 more.

darngooddesign
Jan 15, 2008, 01:11 PM
My Powerbook G4 has a multitouch trackpad. So big-whoop on this one.

Graphis
Jan 15, 2008, 01:11 PM
Well I think it's gorgeous, and if I could afford it as well as the new Mac Pro I just ordered, I'd get it. One thing though, I wouldn't like to accidentally sit on it.:D

bdkennedy1
Jan 15, 2008, 01:12 PM
Where or where is 10.5.2!!!!!!!!!!!!???

sellitman
Jan 15, 2008, 01:12 PM
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For that kind of change I'd rather get a MBP. 5 hours of battery life won't get me through a airport terminal.

FX120
Jan 15, 2008, 01:13 PM
And..................








There goes Apple's stock price...........

maverick808
Jan 15, 2008, 01:13 PM
I'm quite disappointed. I have an MBP just now and I was hoping for a smaller one. What I would of loved is if they had taken the 13" MacBook, removed the optical drive and put more battery in instead so it lasts 10 hours or more, made it aluminium to match the pro, shoved in a backlit keyboard, that new multitouch trackpad and voila! 13" MacBook Pro.

Mac OS X Ocelot
Jan 15, 2008, 01:13 PM
A quandary: I can pay too much for a tiny laptop, or I can buy an actual computer, like a macbook pro, and spend the next month working out so I don't have to bitch about carrying my oh-so-heavy laptop around.

zdobson
Jan 15, 2008, 01:14 PM
Not true. I love my MBP. If the Air had turned out to be a mini-MBP, than I'd be all over it.

Don't you think they make the MBP as small as they can make it? If this is a mini-MB and costs $700 more, don't you think a mini-MBP would be an even higher premium (if it's even possible to make)?

macsrsocool
Jan 15, 2008, 01:14 PM
UGLY. The Macbook Air is so freakin UGLY. I don't like the color of the keyboard. I don't like that it says "Air" on the screen, very very tacky name and even tackier Apple thought it was ok to plaster it on the screen. I will NOT be buying this.

Sticking with my SR blackbook thank you!!

Slip
Jan 15, 2008, 01:14 PM
So u'd rather have a thicker, slower laptop with a smaller screen just to save 1-2in diagonally :confused: ur crazy

Well if a MB won't fit in your briefcase, making it thinner isn't gunna help.

Actually, I personally wanted a smaller sized Pro machine, this doesn't appear to be it. Specs off of Apple site:

1.6GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4MB shared L2 cache

2GB (onboard) [no mention of expansion]
80GB Parallel ATA, 4200 rpm

Intel GMA X3100 graphics processor with 144MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory

So it's slower than MacBook, has the same hard drive (yet with less storage) as the MacBook.

Um, no, the MB's is 80GB as well.

uv23
Jan 15, 2008, 01:14 PM
That massive screen bezel is heinous. They could have chopped an inch of width and depth off the Air if the screen was more flush to the case edge.

Dimwhit
Jan 15, 2008, 01:15 PM
Apple stock tanking atm

Usually does after keynotes.

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 01:16 PM
The Vaio TZ is better in every regard, as it is actually, OH MY GOD, a REAL UMPC, and not a 13.3" standard laptop that's been crippled and made thinner acting like it's an ultra-portable. And if you want a cheaper ultra portable, one that you can really fit into your pocket, buy an EEE-PC. This thing is a piece of junk.

Now, c'mon. Really? You're telling everyone to buy an EEE-PC and you have the gumption to call this a piece of junk? This is a great product, but it's too pricey for it's features. But this is lightyears better than the EEE-PC. That's just straight hating right there.

Ish
Jan 15, 2008, 01:16 PM
It looks amazingly small and if I had to carry a laptop around a lot I'd get one in a shot.

In the advert, when it's taken out of the envelope, it looks a bit like a giant nano minus the screen!

happydude
Jan 15, 2008, 01:16 PM
And..................








There goes Apple's stock price...........

not from today, the entire market is down today. can we say, recession. thanks, bush.

ruutiveijari
Jan 15, 2008, 01:16 PM
Is the battery user replaceable?

darngooddesign
Jan 15, 2008, 01:17 PM
...The biggest shocker was that it didn't have a flash drive as standard...

You're kidding right?

Apple would be stupid to only release a $2700 ultra portable. What's smart is to give people a $1700 laptop, or raise the price by a grand for the SSD.

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 01:17 PM
UGLY. The Macbook Air is so freakin UGLY. I don't like the color of the keyboard. I don't like that it says "Air" on the screen, very very tacky name and even tackier Apple thought it was ok to plaster it on the screen. I will NOT be buying this.

Sticking with my SR blackbook thank you!!

When did the cashmere mafia invade the mac community?

Scuba Steve
Jan 15, 2008, 01:17 PM
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3B48b Safari/419.3)

well I'm getting one 'cos it fits my requirements perfectly as a complement to my mac pro.
Just got to decide if the SSD can be justified now ;)

At least there's one logical post in the middle of this debacle.

This is exactly the niche apple is after. I'll be buying a laptop to complement my iMac and will be considering the Air. Perfect device to throw in a backpack and take with you or lounge on the couch with to browse the net.

One USB port isn't great, but will suffice when using the Air for what it is intended for.

As far as footprint goes, I don't care whether it is a 10", 12" or 13" display as it will have to get put in a bag regardless.

DAC47
Jan 15, 2008, 01:18 PM
UK price starting at 1200:eek:
ouch

thats $2400 people

diabolic
Jan 15, 2008, 01:19 PM
I just ordered one with the SSD.

It fits perfectly with what I need.

BTW, Apple stock always drops after announcements.

motulist
Jan 15, 2008, 01:19 PM
Intended market for the MBA = not your typical tech forum member

Yes, for the type of people that are likely to comment in a tech forum, this device probably won't be for you. But that doesn't mean there aren't lots of people who are different than you who are going to be interested in buying this machine.

Basically it's for any group that doesn't have heavy power needs but require a machine that has a great usability interface (i.e. not a 7 inch screen or mini keyboard) and need the machine's design to be stylish for personal or business reasons.

Right off the top of my head I can think of several large demographic groups that'll want to buy this machine.

1) Business executives - need a full keyboard and decent sized screen to do serious business work, but need it to be as small and light as possible because they're always on the go, and need it to look stylish because image is a huge part of the competition in the business world.

2) Personal machines for non-tech people, such as housewives - they wouldn't even consider a laptop that didn't have a decent sized screen and a regular keyboard, but they don't want something to heavy or imposing, and attractive styling is perhaps the most important criteria to this group

3) Secondary machines for desktop users - their heavier computing is already done with their iMac or Mac Pro, but they need a reasonably capable laptop that is so portable that they feel like they can just chuck it in their bag whenever they leave the house.

and many more.

Just because it's not right for the people in the demographic group that frequents tech forums doesn't mean that there aren't tons of other groups of people that this will be perfect for.

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 01:20 PM
not from today, the entire market is down today. can we say, recession. thanks, bush.

Exactly!

gangzoom
Jan 15, 2008, 01:20 PM
I think alot of people are missing the point comparing it to the MacBook Pro and MacBook, its not suppose to be used as an "Main" computer...:confused:

I have my MacPro with a 23inch cinema display for games/dvd ripping/work in general....i only use my laptop to drowse the net/ edit powerpoint presentations/ occasionally take it to work at the weekends(A job which my 8 year old G3 Pismo has been doing perfectly)

For some one like me the MacBook Air is perfect!! Nor do i think its over priced, i don't need extra power/weight/cost of a MacBook Pro, yet i really didn't fancy the plastic MacBook (no matter how cheap it is). For 1170 (am in the UK) i can guarantee apple will sell plenty :cool:

CWallace
Jan 15, 2008, 01:20 PM
With respect (seriously), a little bit more...perspective...is in order.

Why does Apple make the MacBook and MacBook Pro? Why not just one model?

Why do they make the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro? Why not just one model?

Why not just offer the iMac instead of the MM and MP since it's all-in-one which is the simplicity and ease of use that are Apple design hallmarks?

Why do they make the iPod Shuffle, the iPod Nano, the iPod Classic, and the iPod Touch? Why not just one model?

Because each device appeals to a different market.

Just because someone does not see a need for it where others do, this does not mean the product itself sucks. It just means it's not for them.

A number of people were arguing for just this form factor and feature-set and if Apple had come out with something bigger and heavier and more capable, they'd be in here bitching about it, instead.

Apple chooses not to please everyone all the time.

If you really want "something for everyone", run Windows on a PC. :p

happydude
Jan 15, 2008, 01:20 PM
anyone know if you can still use time machine without the time capsul? for example, using my external that i'm already using and back up without buying a new airport that still doesn't come with airtunes?

Klaxons2012
Jan 15, 2008, 01:20 PM
I just ordered one with the SSD.

It fits perfectly with what I need.

BTW, Apple stock always drops after announcements.

Let us know what you think, congrats on the purchase! :)

macsrsocool
Jan 15, 2008, 01:21 PM
Not to mention the higher end model is just way to expensive. Could buy a 15'' MBP and a cinema display for that and have a lot more fun!

happydude
Jan 15, 2008, 01:21 PM
With respect (seriously), a little bit more...perspective...is in order.

Why does Apple make the MacBook and MacBook Pro? Why not just one model?

Why do they make the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro? Why not just one model?

Why not just offer the iMac instead of the MM and MP since it's all-in-one which is the simplicity and ease of use that are Apple design hallmarks?

Why do they make the iPod Shuffle, the iPod Nano, the iPod Classic, and the iPod Touch? Why not just one model?

Because each device appeals to a different market.

Just because someone does not see a need for it where others do, this does not mean the product itself sucks. It just means it's not for them.

A number of people were arguing for just this form factor and feature-set and if Apple had come out with something bigger and heavier and more capable, they'd be in here bitching about it, instead.

Apple chooses not to please everyone all the time.

If you really want "something for everyone", run Windows on a PC. :p

very well thought out response, thank you.

Object-X
Jan 15, 2008, 01:21 PM
How do you connect it to the Internet without a WiFi network? No built in support for Edge, Verizon, ect., no express card slot, no joy. :(

scarletbiro
Jan 15, 2008, 01:21 PM
Well, that is lovely.

However, there's so much silver around the screen that it kind of looks like my aging but very much in use 12" PB G4. And come to think of it ... I think my nice old laptop fits in those manilla envelopes, too!

I'm going to start using it right now and just not look at it from the sides so I can pretend I have a MacBook Air until I can afford one.

bbplayer5
Jan 15, 2008, 01:22 PM
This looks like the biggest piece of crap they have ever made. Id rather have a macbook. Why would I want something far less powerful, and more expensive just to save .5 inches? Give me a break...


GIMIC.

samh004
Jan 15, 2008, 01:22 PM
It sounds decent, but I'm left a bit underwhelmed. I would of expected a 160GB drive like the iPod's seeing as they're using the same drives. I would of thought they'd get Intel to shrink a 1.8 and 2.0GHz chip at least. 2GB RAM I presume is non-negotiable, built-in and non-upgradeable. Meh.

It just lacks, but I'll wait to see it in person.

And I wonder if that multi-touch firmware for the trackpad will come to exiting MB/MBP's ? I would think it'd certainly be possible. Maybe someone could extract the required kext's or whatever they are ?

Finally, will the Superdrive be available as a stand-alone purchase for existing MB/MBP owners who have combo drives built-in ?

rimbaud@mac.com
Jan 15, 2008, 01:22 PM
Nothing revolutionary, like no moving parts, solar recharging, etc... Maybe the revolution is still in the works.

darngooddesign
Jan 15, 2008, 01:22 PM
The thing that really sucks is that now that the case is metal it will have the same sad wifi range as the MBP.

iliketomac
Jan 15, 2008, 01:22 PM
What's NOT in the box: NO Apple Remote and Front Row?? for the MBAir!!

j-a-x
Jan 15, 2008, 01:22 PM
I was hoping for a MacBook or MacBook pro with a multitouch trackpad.

This this is awesome and small and thin but not enough performance for the price for me. I need a HD larger than 80 GB and I would like a bit more processor power if I am going to upgrade my 12". Unfortunately, the Air would have the same hard drive or smaller. :(

elgruga
Jan 15, 2008, 01:23 PM
Lots of negative reaction here - but that just means its NOT for you.
Would I buy one? Yes, if I was doing a lot of on-the-road work.

Right now, the MacBook seems like a hell of a good buy, and maybe thats what Apple have done here - offered the cutting edge skinny thing, which pleases all the cool people with cash, and thus highlight the great deal that is MacBook.
Thats a good marketing ploy.

This is NOT a mainstream machine.

I dont like the bezel look, the slanty look, because it seems weak to me.
I would have preferred something more akin to the thinness of the ipod touch, rounded and constant in its thickness.

Somehow, the tapered thing doesnt feel right.
So if you have the slanty look, then you have large screen surround, its almost like the design is half done.
Slanty doesnt go with the 13.3" and the big border. Odd.

I think we will all have to see one in the flesh to be sure here. I think I like it.
Its slowly making sense.
The ports are fine - I have NEVER used the ethernet port on my MBP.

Dimwhit
Jan 15, 2008, 01:24 PM
I do think that this will be a much more attractive computer in a year or two when SSDs are doable for a reasonable price. I don't think I'd want this with the 1.8" hard drive in it. Not convinced they'll last long. (Isn't it true that you shouldn't run OSX off an iPod (classic) for an extended time because the hard drive can't handle it? Wouldn't that hold true for the Air? Or have there been improvements to those drives recently?

macsrsocool
Jan 15, 2008, 01:24 PM
Honestly though I think this MBA is a beast, ugly as sin. It looks like an HP in terms of coloring.

Who at Apple thought a black keyboard was a good idea on a machine that isn't black?

Lame.

The screen is very unattractive too.

diamond.g
Jan 15, 2008, 01:24 PM
Um, no, the MB's is 80GB as well.
The MB's drive is also 5400rpm... 4200 rpm drives suck for laptops... My last laptop had such a 4200 rpm drive.. It was quite slow.
Is the battery user replaceable?

Not that I can tell.

Small White Car
Jan 15, 2008, 01:25 PM
Why would I want something far less powerful, and more expensive just to save .5 inches? Give me a break...

Yeah...same as the iPod Mini!

Oh, wait. That was far and away one of the best-selling iPods up to that point?

Hmm...

bmk
Jan 15, 2008, 01:25 PM
What a turd frankly... how about stop making crappy gadgets for people who think computers are a form of clothing and not a tool...

I pity you if the only reaction you can come up with after seeing something that is by anyone's standards a beautiful piece of engineering is to call it a 'turd'. What is wrong with you?

karleaglemac
Jan 15, 2008, 01:25 PM
no "one more thing?"
That's what I'm thinking!

Btw, I feel sorry for ANYone complaining about the name, design, price, etc.

Take it easy. The thing is gorgeous and the name is clever.

darwinian
Jan 15, 2008, 01:25 PM
Regarding price, I do wish they had hit the 1499. Just for nice numbers sake, I suppose.


well I'm getting one 'cos it fits my requirements perfectly as a complement to my mac pro.
Just got to decide if the SSD can be justified now ;)

This is precisely the point to me.

The lack of Firewire is a real shame, USB soundcards are generally inferior to their Firewire cousins, from my experience :(

I'm guessing the hard drive isn't user replaceable...?

EDIT: I still think it looks AMAZING though!

From what I understand, the firewire controller is huge compared to the USB ones, which is why the iPod had to take it out. Please correct me if wrong.

Kind of odd that the Sony UX umpc has had a 64gb ssd options for almost a year that only cost like $700 more.

But isn't the Sony UMPC very very expensive as it is? For that tiny screen ... prohibitively small for computing for me.

Where or where is 10.5.2!!!!!!!!!!!!???

Amen!

For that kind of change I'd rather get a MBP. 5 hours of battery life won't get me through a airport terminal.

This is where I think a bit more thickness could have served them well -- I'm sticking to my story on this -- I think they tried for 10 h in some designs, couldn't hit it, and traded off thinness for battery. Too bad.

That massive screen bezel is heinous. They could have chopped an inch of width and depth off the Air if the screen was more flush to the case edge.

Agreed on the bezel. Yikes!

Is the battery user replaceable?

Good question ....

DemNoir
Jan 15, 2008, 01:25 PM
This is the same group of clowns that proclaimed:

The new Nano was ugly and a failure..

The iMac was ugly and a failure...

The iphone would never fly...

Do I need to go on?

Once again we will see why he is Steve Jobs and you folks are not.

student_trap
Jan 15, 2008, 01:25 PM
WHY DID apple think it was okay to name it "Air"???

Why did apple think it was okay to plaster "Air" on the screen?

TACKY and the MBA is ugly as sin

UGLY as SIN

UGLY. The Macbook Air is so freakin UGLY. I don't like the color of the keyboard. I don't like that it says "Air" on the screen, very very tacky name and even tackier Apple thought it was ok to plaster it on the screen. I will NOT be buying this.

The keyboard looks god awful. Nasty color contrast

how many times do you have to post this? I get the point, and in fact, agree that im not sure about the name. However, I think that it would make a perfect companion for the mac pro i await, and as i have to take my laptop (currently a mbp) all over the place, it seems like a really good idea!

joemama
Jan 15, 2008, 01:26 PM
No firewire = NO sale!

I know people will say to get a MacBook, but I want the backlit keyboard without the Pro price.

This Air has everything, except firewire.

FoxyKaye
Jan 15, 2008, 01:26 PM
I really like the MacBook Air, if not the name. Sure the 1.6/8 GHz is a bit slow, but it's Santa Rosa with 2GB of RAM. This isn't meant for power computing (although I did find it amusing they're pitching FCE with it - I can't imagine what that would do to the poor 1.8"/4200 drive), but portability.

I'm a little sad there's only one USB 2 port, two would have been nice. And, I suppose others are pissed that there's no FireWire (but a FW bus is really big and power hungry by the standards of the MBA).

And, I'd bet that folks are going to quickly figure out how to open them and upgrade the hard drive.

I think it's a great start, although the integrated battery also gives me pause for concern - what happens when it's old?

One prediction I will make is an uptick in cracked LCD screens on these, though. :D

berkowit28
Jan 15, 2008, 01:26 PM
I wonder how much the Superdrive weighs - no specs on that. I suppose you can leave it in your room. I wonder how much thickness and weight they "saved" by not including the optical drive in the computer, and how much it adds being a separate item.

In the MacRumorsLive transcript they had Steve saying "3 lbs was a good target weight, but required too many compromises with features." Then no weight mentioned at all. So I expected a weight of 3.5 lbs or so. But the spec say 3.0 lbs. Something must have got lost in the translation (aside from the optical drive).

puffnstuff
Jan 15, 2008, 01:26 PM
I was hoping for smaller screen and cheaper then the macbooks.:(

Horst
Jan 15, 2008, 01:26 PM
It's super sexy :).

Too bad it's also super useless; at the exact same size of a MB it's a little thinner and lighter, both doesn't really improve portability by much, if at all. You'll need a really strong and well padded sleeve to keep it safe.

No firewire, integrated graphics, slow HD and processor, big size at a fairly high prize; it can't be used by professionals, who but Apple nerds and trust-fund kids will buy that thing ?

A successor of the 12" PB, now that would have been something to drool over; this Air is one to go with the other gadgets in Apple's lineup, an overprized, oversized internet toy.

Poor example of form over function all the way...