Cinema Displays - Where Are They?

[Mr.PS]

Where are the new Cinema displays that were rumored?

Dell just realesed a new 30"

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=223-4890

I hate dell and will of course not be buying one no matter how good of a deal it is. I want a cinema display to match my pro, but I want new tec!

[tersono]

Who promised? Not Apple, that's for sure, and no third party has any right to promise something on their behalf.

I strongly suspect that we'll see new displays this year, but in the meantime, if you need it, buy it. If you don't want the current version, there are plenty of other good displays out there - HP come to mind.

[Mr.PS]

Who promised? Not Apple, that's for sure, and no third party has any right to promise something on their behalf.

I strongly suspect that we'll see new displays this year, but in the meantime, if you need it, buy it. If you don't want the current version, there are plenty of other good displays out there - HP come to mind.

It was a rumor of course, but since other companies are releasing new panels it's only right for Apple to as well. I don't want a 3rd party display from Hp, Dell, Samsung, etc.. It just doesn't feel right to have a beautiful aluminum mac pro and have a black brick on your desk. :) I might wait, but I really can't, so I will probably get one of the current displays.

[amik]

I might wait, but I really can't, so I will probably get one of the current displays.

Appears apple made the right economic decision.

[sananda]

It was a rumor of course, but since other companies are releasing new panels it's only right for Apple to as well. I don't want a 3rd party display from Hp, Dell, Samsung, etc.. It just doesn't feel right to have a beautiful aluminum mac pro and have a black brick on your desk. :) I might wait, but I really can't, so I will probably get one of the current displays.

i see you edited your first post so as to make tersono's reply look odd.

[yeroen]

Where are the new Cinema displays that were rumored?

Dell just realesed a new 30"

[url]I want a cinema display to match my pro, but I want new tec!

Out of curiousity, what, exactly, would you want/expect in an updated Cinema Display?

[newtech]

New ACD ought to have...

1) add HDMI input and be HDCP compliant

2) LED backlighting

3) iSight style camera built in

4) thinner profile, thinner bezel

[orangejuice]

It was a rumor of course, but since other companies are releasing new panels it's only right for Apple to as well. I don't want a 3rd party display from Hp, Dell, Samsung, etc.. It just doesn't feel right to have a beautiful aluminum mac pro and have a black brick on your desk. :) I might wait, but I really can't, so I will probably get one of the current displays.

Beautiful aluminium cheesegrater... :D

[bigbossbmb]

It just doesn't feel right to have a beautiful aluminum mac pro and have a black brick on your desk.

I dunno... It feels pretty good having a 2560x1600 workspace with my dell 3007-HC. the 1/2" trim doesn't bother me a bit. It's a workspace, it doesn't need to be pretty. To tell you the truth, the dell doesn't look bad. It's got black bezel/alum base that goes pretty well with my current g5/on the way MP.

...and to get it for under $1200.

[Hatchet]

I hate dell and will of course not be buying one no matter how good of a deal it is. I want a cinema display to match my pro, but I want new tec!

Interesting...What do you have against Dell displays? I can understand issues with their computers, but their displays are some of the best out there.

The Dell 2407 vs Apple Cinema....Dell blows it out of the water.

Don't knock it unless you use it. I bet their monitors are some of their top sellers as the 2407 has a 1-2 Week shipping delay.

[Mr.PS]

Interesting...What do you have against Dell displays? I can understand issues with their computers, but their displays are some of the best out there.

The Dell 2407 vs Apple Cinema....Dell blows it out of the water.

Don't knock it unless you use it. I bet their monitors are some of their top sellers as the 2407 has a 1-2 Week shipping delay.

Umm, I have two Dell 2005FPW's and a 2405FPW. Both are great; however, I'm not fond of Dell as a company, nor am I fond of their looks. I'd like an Apple display due to the fact that it's a piece of furniture in a high end office like the one I reside in.

[Wild-Bill]

Interesting...What do you have against Dell displays? I can understand issues with their computers, but their displays are some of the best out there.

The Dell 2407 vs Apple Cinema....Dell blows it out of the water.

Don't knock it unless you use it. I bet their monitors are some of their top sellers as the 2407 has a 1-2 Week shipping delay.

I don't personally have anything against Dell displays. But Google 2407 ghosting and you'll find plenty of people who DO.

I'm also disappointed Apple didn't update their cinema display line. How old are these things now???? Their prices are still too high as well.

Looks like I'll be getting an NEC for the Mac Pro when it eventually comes in.

[Hatchet]

Google 2407 ghosting

This was resolved pretty well in the 2407-HC model.

I have the HC, not the original 2407 for clarification.

[Schmoe0013]

the dell is very nice. I really enjoy the inclusion of the various inputs.

This does put it over the ACD until an apple update.

[jessica.]

I hate dell and will of course not be buying one no matter how good of a deal it is. I want a cinema display to match my pro, but I want new tec!

Dude why do you hate Dell? :rolleyes: That's silly to even say because they make great displays. I have a 20" of theirs and it's amazing. Buy whatever you want. The current displays from Apple aren't bad.

[sailmac]

I don't recall hearing Steve Jobs say "one more thing" during today's keynote.


Two weeks ago there was a rumor started over on AppleInsider

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82733

that a 'secret' announcement will be made tomorrow at the FCPUG meeting.


Perhaps there is a slim chance that "one more thing" will be revealed tomorrow and it will be new displays.

I noticed the LG75 announced at CES is a 42" LED backlit HDTV, and Samsung announced a 30" unit with backlit LED, so at least screen size of LED backlighting is not technically impossible for Apple's display line-up.

I also noticed that Apple's suppliers have had 22" (maybe larger) LED backlit screens in play since mid-2007.

I concede price could cause a delay in release schedule.

Didn't Apple hold a separate "one more thing" event a few years ago, after Macworld was finished?

I won't put off buying a new display needed to get work done, but I'd feel more satisfied if I were buying the newest technology instead of something so late in the product life cycle.


And I'd really like to hurry along the demise of mercury and other toxins in displays. It's just one part in the overall contribution to toxic body burden, but every little bit helps...

[dante@sisna.com]

The Dell 2407 vs Apple Cinema....Dell blows it out of the water.

Don't knock it unless you use it. I bet their monitors are some of their top sellers as the 2407 has a 1-2 Week shipping delay.


That is a HUGELY misleading stretch and not accurate for those who work in print graphics.

For the Record, we have an ACD 30, a 2407 and a brand new HP LP3065.

All three are great: each has a strength the other does not. None of them blow each other out of the water. No way.

[TripleCore]

Two weeks ago there was a rumor started over on AppleInsider

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82733

that a 'secret' announcement will be made tomorrow at the FCPUG meeting.

Perhaps there is a slim chance that "one more thing" will be revealed tomorrow and it will be new displays.


I wouldn't hold your breath. It's on the new Mac Pros with FCP. Take a look at the agenda...

http://www.lafcpug.org/macworld_08.html

[sailmac]

I wouldn't hold your breath. It's on the new Mac Pros with FCP. Take a look at the agenda...

Ahh. Okay. [ exhales... ]

[TripleCore]

New displays possibly at NAB or with the Nehalem Pros.

I'm probably going to shop around for some other brands at MacWorld tomorrow to go along with my next Mac Pro system. I agree, the prices are high for this old of gear.

[purdueboiler87]

I picked up a 30" ACD at CompUSA over the weekend. They were marked down 15%. I was on the fence whether or not to get one but I did. It will replace a 24" and 20" Dell. The only bad thing is my PowerMac's video card can't support the resolution. This will problem will be fixed this week when when my new MP arrives (hopefully).

[sk8ordie]

The only fault I see with the ACD's is the price. Much to rich for my blood, I dont understand why they are so expensive.

[RaceTripper]

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The Dell 2407 vs Apple Cinema....Dell blows it out of the water.

....How so? The Dell 2407 uses a S-PVS LCD panel while the 23" ACD uses a superior SWOP-certified S-IPS LCD panel. Image quality on the Apple is better. You pay more, but it is better.

I saw the 2407 in a kiosk in the same mall where I got my 23" ACD. I saw nothing superior about the Dell.

[vohdoun]

Why do so many people always think Dell makes the displays...

Dell uses Samsung panels. When I bring up the factory menu its tells me its a Samsung.

LG use to be used in the Dell 30's, they then switched to Samsung. 99% of the displays are the same manufacturer, with another logo on the center of the lower front.

[Mr.PS]

The new dell 3008WFP looks awesome. Like I said, I have nothing against Dell Displays, I'm just not too fond of them in comparison to the ACD's. Especially since I pay so much attention to aesthetics.

New Dell 3008WFP:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=223-4890

Can anyone guess when Apple will release new displays? The panels are certaintly available, but the question is when. I waited a long time for the new Mac Pro and I don't want a 4 year old display.

[RaceTripper]

Can anyone guess when Apple will release new displays? The panels are certaintly available, but the question is when. I waited a long time for the new Mac Pro and I don't want a 4 year old display.I doubt Apple will update ACDs before they can do LED-backlit ones without raising prices significantly (or not at all). They've stated they are going green with new products so they will not refresh the ACD line without LED backlighting. I guess WWDC at the earliest.

[Mr.PS]

I doubt Apple will update ACSs before they can do LED-backlit ones without raising prices significantly (or not at all). They've stated they are going green with new products so they will not refresh the ACD line without LED backlighting. I guess WWDC at the earliest.

I see, that would make sense. Are there any displays currently in the industry offering LED back lighting? The Dell 3008WPF is expensive for what you get. The new more vivid colors are from a new cathode, not really much new tech.

[RaceTripper]

I see, that would make sense. Are there any displays currently in the industry offering LED back lighting?Small ones like the 15" MBP and the new MBA, and big HDTVs like the Samsung DLPs. As for larger monitors like 22-30" computer displays, I do not know.

I have a 23" ACD and am very pleased with it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a second one now if I felt the need for another display.

[Mr.PS]

Small ones like the 15" MBP and the new MBA, and big HDTVs like the Samsung DLPs. As for larger monitors like 22-30" computer displays, I do not know.

I have a 23" ACD and am very pleased with it. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a second one now if I felt the need for another display.

I have not bought a new computer since 2004. I'm running on a Dell 2005FPW right now on a POS Dell Laptop. I want a Mac pro and a 30" ACD, but I don't want old tech. The ACD came out in 2004, that is way too old to justify spending $1700 on. Very disappointing Macworld... :(

A few people are saying there is still something left to unveil at Mac World tomorrow, can this be true?

[RaceTripper]

The ACD came out in 2004, that is way too old to justify spending $1700 on. Very disappointing Macworld... :(The 30" ACD is an awesome display. The case may be older tech, but the LCD panel isn't. You get a modern S-IPS SWOP-certified LCD panel & you won't get better color (accuracy, consistency, etc) without spending more. My $0.02

[Mr.PS]

The 30" ACD is an awesome display. The case may be older tech, but the LCD panel isn't. You get a modern S-IPS SWOP-certified LCD panel & you won't get better color (accuracy, consistency, etc) without spending more. My $0.02

So you're saying the Apple ACD that is currently for sale has a pretty modern panel in it right now? And the Dell 3008WFP will not look better then it? What kind of panel does the ACD use? I run a 2005FPW I got in 2004 and the color accuracy is ok, but not the best. The new 3008FPW is nice, but it's pretty much just a different cathode which apparently gives much more vivid colors, but then again it is S-IPS and claims to delivery 117% of the NTSC colour gamut.

You might have convinced me to actually get an ACD now. :)

Dell Info
Features
The 3008WFP is built on an S-IPS panel and uses a WCCFL backlight, claiming to be able to show 117 percent of the NTSC colour gamut, theoretically allowing for greater distinction between colour tones and providing better colour accuracy. Colour calibration should also be made a little easier thanks to the sRGB and Adobe RGB presets included. The PC/Mac Gamma and RGB/YPbPr input modes make a return from the previous model, however this monitor has a few new tricks up its sleeve.

[jnc]

How so? The Dell 2407 uses a S-PVS LCD panel while the 23" ACD uses a superior SWOP-certified S-IPS LCD panel. Image quality on the Apple is better. You pay more, but it is better.

I saw the 2407 in a kiosk in the same mall where I got my 23" ACD. I saw nothing superior about the Dell.

Extra inputs and more ports? That has to sway the deal a little.

[RaceTripper]

Extra inputs and more ports? That has to sway the deal a little.My ACD has a DVI input, two USB ports, and two FW ports. Any more ports would be wasted on me. LCD panel quality carries far more weight for me.

[RaceTripper]

So you're saying the Apple ACD that is currently for sale has a pretty modern panel in it right now?...Yes. And you can improve it with hardware calibration. I use the Spyder2Express (about $60) to calibrate my 23" LCD (for the photography I use it for).

[AppleNewton]

well the Cinema Displays are the only item/product that hasnt been updated lately on the Apple site, it still an older page wiht out-dated info well with the new macpro releases.

I honestly dont see the inferiority with the displays, theyre far more color accurate than a majority of newer displays.

I dont see why there needs to be so many inputs/outputs on a friggin display,
if they would jsut update the display panel itself thatd be nice too. also with a lower prices =)

[treehorn]

So...bottom line...are ACDs worth it?

I use one at work and so am used to it (and that also means I have no reference point in regards to how it performs against other monitors). In 3 years, I've had no problems with it. I can see the advantage of other inputs (especially if I were to, say, want to use it as a TV monitor when it's not in use with my computer...an idea I was toying with to utilize space better in my office).

A plus for ACDs, though, is having the same Applecare policy cover my MacPro and ACD.

But for the $$$, would 'you' advise one to get an ACD (which would be used primarily for video work)?

[Mr.PS]

Having more inputs outside of DVI, USD, and Firewire is stupid in my opinion. I don't need HDMI or Component, I use my computer for business not video games and T.V.

[-Noodles]

For the Record, we have an ACD 30, a 2407 and a brand new HP LP3065.

All three are great: each has a strength the other does not. None of them blow each other out of the water. No way.

Perhaps you could elaborate on what you feel these strengths are. I am in the same boat as Mr. PS looking for a 30" display. While I can say that I've seen the 30" ACD in action (go to any apple store). I can't say the same for many other 30" displays which leaves me with reading reviews. One can only hope the agreement will be mutual if this is left as the method for decision making.

[coolant113]

yea they really got to release new ones they seem over due for a re-release.. hopefully they will be green and include a isight:apple::apple:

[Hatchet]

How so? The Dell 2407 uses a S-PVS LCD panel while the 23" ACD uses a superior SWOP-certified S-IPS LCD panel. Image quality on the Apple is better. You pay more, but it is better.

I saw the 2407 in a kiosk in the same mall where I got my 23" ACD. I saw nothing superior about the Dell.


Side by side and calibrated, the Dell 2407 outperforms the ACD in my eyes. Plus, the inputs, adjustability, etc make it a better buy by a long shot.

I think the ACD are great, but in my experience the Dell 2407-HC had more vivid colors and had a better picture. Plus, there is no reason why the ACD 23" should be $200 more.

I might change my mind after the new ACD's are rolled out, but right now the Dell is the best I've seen for the price and size compared with other models.

[AppleNewton]

i think it could use a slight update maybe the LED panels would be great, longer lasting and efficient. perhaps bette rpixel quality (not there is anything wrong with them now, but maybe less likeliness of burned out pixels or white spots).

there are a lot of decent devices that could be used in between to allow the display to function as a multipurpose display. (wishing the AppleTV would have perchance become that integrating that with the ACD's would be have been nice. but almost a hassle..i think it would be nice to have options but those come at a premium and quality constraints...im not sure how well a 30" ACD would be as a HDMI component say hooked upto a set-top box...since its higher then standard 1080p res. or if it offered options like that to be a multi-purpose unit)


i just dislike the backlighting in alot of Monitors out there, the LCDs are the same but the way they manufacture and grade them is far more different, i saw an HP 24" and i noticed if i titled the monitor it had a gradient effect to it, depending on desk height and chair level and how i work on stuff, i like to have my set up like an old-cartoon artist with my monitor on a desk clamp so i can draw on paper and then switch over to digital aniimation so i need a versatile display that doesnt cop-out on color quality and streamlined representation. i use a 23" at this point for that type of workso i can move it easily around without it geting in the way and angle it if im leaning to sketch or draw.

i dont think any of the current monitors by any manufacture have too much edge over the recreation that the ACD's have. other than maybe the NEC displays or Samsug which have high quality standards aswell.

[LOZER]

Would definitely like to see new models. I'll wait for new releases since I don't really need one at this point in time.

[Mr.PS]

I'm about to order a mac pro with a Dell 3008WFP or just not buy a monitor now and wait till the new ACD's are out. My main issue with getting the 3008WFP would be doing something with it when the new ACD's come out.

Does anyone know how much of the NTSC color gamut the ACD's can display? The new Dell 3008WFP can do 115% which is an industry high - with that being said it still lacks LED back lighting and it's $500 more then the ACD 30".

Urghhh why all these issues with decisions? I've waited since September for the new Mac Pro, it's here, now the Cinema displays. They are getting kind of old, you can sort of feel the update around the corner. I don't want to splurge $2k on a display only to have another far superior display come out 5 months down the road with LED back lighting, higher contrast ratios, and better gamma reproduction.

God damnit... I still love :apple: no worries. :)

[Hatchet]

I'm about to order a mac pro with a Dell 3008WFP or just not buy a monitor now and wait till the new ACD's are out. My main issue with getting the 3008WFP would be doing something with it when the new ACD's come out.

Does anyone know how much of the NTSC color gamut the ACD's can display? The new Dell 3008WFP can do 115% which is an industry high - with that being said it still lacks LED back lighting and it's $500 more then the ACD 30".

Urghhh why all these issues with decisions? I've waited since September for the new Mac Pro, it's here, now the Cinema displays. They are getting kind of old, you can sort of feel the update around the corner. I don't want to splurge $2k on a display only to have another far superior display come out 5 months down the road with LED back lighting, higher contrast ratios, and better gamma reproduction.

God damnit... I still love :apple: no worries. :)

If you can wait, then feel free to keep torturing yourself over this. My thoughts have been there will always be something bigger and better down the line, unless you have your whole life allocated to waiting, just go for it...

I really doubt the new Dell monitor will disappoint... They tend to be very solid displays.

[Mr.PS]

If you can wait, then feel free to keep torturing yourself over this. My thoughts have been there will always be something bigger and better down the line, unless you have your whole life allocated to waiting, just go for it...

I really doubt the new Dell monitor will disappoint... They tend to be very solid displays.

I understand that there will always be something bigger and better out there, but when I'm spending this much on a setup I will have for 2-3 years I want it to be the best out right now, and it's not. The display is dated and new technology is around the corner.

I'm considering waiting, then again I'd like the space of a 30" monitor. I can afford the Dell, but don't think it's wise to buy it only to get rid of it in a few months when the new ACD's come out. The reason I want an ACD so much is the bezel design really. I have a silver themed office with Apple stuff all around, I want it to match - simple as that. I know it sounds odd to some people, but I'm anal like that.

The worrying thing is there is no known date where a new ACD's could come out. I'm guessing like others have said that Apple is waiting for LED powered back lighting to push the "eco friendly" hype. The Dell would hold me over, but spending $2k on a monitor you're not truly happy with and want to replace not far down the line is kind of a waste of $.

[Hatchet]

I have a silver themed office with Apple stuff all around, I want it to match - simple as that. I know it sounds odd to some people, but I'm anal like that.

Well there it is, the truth comes out. ;)

I'm the same way, but I think silver and black work great together.

Nothing wrong with color matching, i spent extra to get the Xbox 360 Elite because I didn't want it in white, so I understand.

Do what you feel is right. But if the ACD's don't come out till August, is the wait really worth it?

Only time will tell...(killer, I know)

[Mr.PS]

Well there it is, the truth comes out. ;)

I'm the same way, but I think silver and black work great together.

Nothing wrong with color matching, i spent extra to get the Xbox 360 Elite because I didn't want it in white, so I understand.

Do what you feel is right. But if the ACD's don't come out till August, is the wait really worth it?

Only time will tell...(killer, I know)

:) Man I wish the ACD's out now were LED powered, the bezel design is fine, but LED powered with higher contrast ratios and a higher NTSC gamut I'd be all over them! I wonder what Apple's reasoning behind not upgrading is.

[CoopFLY]

I can not wait till the new displays with iSight comes out. I will be the first one to buy!!!!!

Co0p:apple:

[LOZER]

:) Man I wish the ACD's out now were LED powered, the bezel design is fine, but LED powered with higher contrast ratios and a higher NTSC gamut I'd be all over them! I wonder what Apple's reasoning behind not upgrading is.

I think they are just waiting for the cost to come down LED monitors are expensive. I really want one for my photo work.

[Kuraudo]

I too can vouch for the 2407WFP-HC.
I love mine!
I used the ACD 23" in school and always thought the damn thing was too "grainy/sparkly" whatever u call it. Its like having a veil over my eyes.
The darkness of hte blacks are better than the 2407wfp-hc, but other than that, it doesn't beat it in any other category.

I can't wait for OLED or LaZer screens to be at a decent price level.

Side by side and calibrated, the Dell 2407 outperforms the ACD in my eyes. Plus, the inputs, adjustability, etc make it a better buy by a long shot.

I think the ACD are great, but in my experience the Dell 2407-HC had more vivid colors and had a better picture. Plus, there is no reason why the ACD 23" should be $200 more.

I might change my mind after the new ACD's are rolled out, but right now the Dell is the best I've seen for the price and size compared with other models.

[product26]

Cinem Displays - Where Are They?


i have one on my desk...

oh... you mean new ones.... gnerr

[LOZER]

I too can vouch for the 2407WFP-HC.
I love mine!
I used the ACD 23" in school and always thought the damn thing was too "grainy/sparkly" whatever u call it. Its like having a veil over my eyes.
The darkness of hte blacks are better than the 2407wfp-hc, but other than that, it doesn't beat it in any other category.

I can't wait for OLED or LaZer screens to be at a decent price level.

Sony's OLED amazing 1000000:1 contrast ratio wow a million.

[LethalWolfe]

My ACD has a DVI input, two USB ports, and two FW ports. Any more ports would be wasted on me.
Just 'cause it would be wasted on you doesn't mean it would be wasted on others.

Having more inputs outside of DVI, USD, and Firewire is stupid in my opinion. I don't need HDMI or Component, I use my computer for business not video games and T.V.
Funny you say that' cause video games and TV is my business. I have one ACD and have no complaints, but the plethora of inputs on the Dells (as well as the ability to rotate the screen) is seriously making me consider getting a Dell instead of another ACD for my 2nd monitor.


Does anyone know how much of the NTSC color gamut the ACD's can display?

I'm not sure how relevant of a measurement that is as no computer monitor is going to give you an accurate representation of an NTSC signal. The lone exception I know about is using a Matrox MXO in combination a Dell 2407 or 23" ACD.


Lethal

[Mr.PS]

Just 'cause it would be wasted on you doesn't mean it would be wasted on others.


Funny you say that' cause video games and TV is my business. I have one ACD and have no complaints, but the plethora of inputs on the Dells (as well as the ability to rotate the screen) is seriously making me consider getting a Dell instead of another ACD for my 2nd monitor.



I'm not sure how relevant of a measurement that is as no computer monitor is going to give you an accurate representation of an NTSC signal. The lone exception I know about is using a Matrox MXO in combination a Dell 2407 or 23" ACD.


Lethal

I can see how more inputs could be of a convenience to some, but I think it's getting a bit out of hand. People are saying a monitor literally sucks because it lacks HDMI or such, but I also think that's a sign of something to come. The standard now is HDMI, Component, etc... Thats where the ACD shows it's age. Hopefully there is still a chance to see a new ACD by the 18th...

[THX1139]

The only fault I see with the ACD's is the price. Much to rich for my blood, I dont understand why they are so expensive.

It costs a lot of money to operate and maintain Steve's Lear Jet.

[fernmeister]

It's interesting to read the number of inputs being an issue for some readers here. The main beef I've heard in the "real" world has usually been about the price.

[LethalWolfe]

It's interesting to read the number of inputs being an issue for some readers here. The main beef I've heard in the "real" world has usually been about the price.
Apparently for the price people want more inputs. :D


Lethal

[AppleNewton]

i think the price could drop a bit, and well with the video cards used on most apple products im not entirely sure what kind of inputs/output upgrades theyd like to offer.

however the reason im going to purchase a new 30" display (aside from selling stuff idont particularly need anymore and have enough to cover it while breaking even + adc discount) is that i know their reputation and their quality.
I know what my work will look like on one of them and that even though there might be new displays by XYZ Brand i know that i wont have to sacrifice my work or change the way i produce my stuff for print/graphic web or video as it will be a streamlined process.

i think thats just the advantage in my mind over using various displays, im not sure how they will be in the long run compared to something that has actually lasted quite sometime and the quality was way ahead of itself back then too.

sure it may not be tomorrows technological improvement but its solid and has been reliable. better than spending money on a product that may or may not develop an end product the way i intend or am use to like the ACD's

:apple:

[Blogger]

It appears to me that Steve has his heart set on waiting until he can switch to all LED panels. It might be a while, yet.

[jonnos]

what panel is the 3008wfp using? its a s-ips isnt it?

[Mr.PS]

what panel is the 3008wfp using? its a s-ips isnt it?

Yes, S-ips.

[jnc]

Having more inputs outside of DVI, USD, and Firewire is stupid in my opinion. I don't need HDMI or Component, I use my computer for business not video games and T.V.

That's you. My display unit needs to be multi-purpose as I have limited space. Besides it's just more convenient being able to run Mac, set-top box, and console through one device.

This is the sole reason stopping me from buying Apple and considering Samsung / Dell instead. Apple would move more units if they offered more inputs - simple.

[vendettabass]

wwdc

[Graphis]

I understand that there will always be something bigger and better out there, but when I'm spending this much on a setup I will have for 2-3 years I want it to be the best out right now, and it's not. The display is dated and new technology is around the corner.

I'm considering waiting, then again I'd like the space of a 30" monitor. I can afford the Dell, but don't think it's wise to buy it only to get rid of it in a few months when the new ACD's come out. The reason I want an ACD so much is the bezel design really. I have a silver themed office with Apple stuff all around, I want it to match - simple as that. I know it sounds odd to some people, but I'm anal like that.

So what you gonna do if you wait for the new ACD and they redesign the look so it's no longer silver? If you want the best that's available RIGHT NOW, as you said, then get it RIGHT NOW. Easy.:)

[/\/\]

wwdc

Does anybody knows when the wwdc is? June, July?

[tribe3]

Dell makes decent displays for general use; web browsing; spreadsheets; and gaming, but except the 30" model which has an S-IPS panel, the rest are inferior quality monitors that will not give you good color rendering for any photo or graphics job.

If you want your prints/output to be exactly what you are seeing on your display you have to go with a quality panel. Apple makes very decent displays for the money, or you can go with Eizo, Some models of NEC, Lacie, or other exotic brands that will cost you many thousands of dollars.

If you're gonna spend a small fortune on a MP workstation and slap a cheap $300 monitor... It's like having a Lambo with 50 dollars tires.

[jnc]

Aw man everything is pointing towards a Dell 3008... but I too just want a comparable Apple display to go with my Mac Pro :D

[zmunkz]

Dell makes decent displays for general use; web browsing; spreadsheets; and gaming, but except the 30" model which has an S-IPS panel, the rest are inferior quality monitors that will not give you good color rendering for any photo or graphics job.

If you want your prints/output to be exactly what you are seeing on your display you have to go with a quality panel. Apple makes very decent displays for the money, or you can go with Eizo, Some models of NEC, Lacie, or other exotic brands that will cost you many thousands of dollars.

If you're gonna spend a small fortune on a MP workstation and slap a cheap $300 monitor... It's like having a Lambo with 50 dollars tires.

I know that Dell's 20" and Apple's 20" also use the same LCD panel: LG.Philips LCD LM201W01 (just as the 30" share the same panel). I don't know the specifics for the 23"/24", but again they are the same quality panel (I have a Dell 24" at work, and I have the Apple 23" at home). The difference between Dell and Apple is product design, available inputs, and customer support... not the picture quality.

[AppleNewton]

its gonna be awhile for the LED backlit displays.
even a 19" or it was 21" by NEC is going for $4000!
and an apparent viewsonic 22" LED display for 800-1000$ !

so id hold off and get the ACD's while you can if its something your going to want to use, as we all know with the majority of Apple products their value holds strong. so if there ever was a future revision, you can always upgrade and get almost near what you paid for with your investment


:apple:

[Mike Teezie]

I just bought two more, so I hope they stay this way for a while.....just for my sanity.

[RaceTripper]

I don't know the specifics for the 23"/24", but again they are the same quality panel.The Apple uses a S-IPS panel. The Dell uses a S-PVS panel. They are not the same quality. S-IPS is superior (and more expensive) where color quality and accuracy are concerned. I researched this when shopping (there are some web sites that list the panels types (TN, S-PVS, S-IPS) used by different monitors. I specifically chose the Apple over the Dell for the S-IPS panel.

The ACD is basically the entry-level to the high end of LCD displays.

[Infrared]

Well there it is, the truth comes out. ;)

I'm the same way, but I think silver and black work great together.


Ish :)

I'd keep the all silver/white for the pro-lines.

Actually, I'll go further. The current Apple towers and ACDs
have reached such a point of near perfection design-wise
that almost any change is likely to be for the worse. We're
incredibly lucky that there still is this company that actually
cares about the whole package, from design and build quality
through to function. That is so rare these days.

[treehorn]

Here's something I don't understand about the ACDs. In researching options and what one should look for in displays, I keep coming across that response time should be 2-5 ms, yet when I read the specs for the ACDs it had the response time at a whoppingly slow 16 ms.

I would think that for Motion and FCP work, you'd want as responsive a display as possible (I'm not a gamer so that's not an issue).

Am I missing something?

[jasone6]

The top two features that I'd hope for are:

- rotatability: I just stood my 23" ACD on its end, and it's awesome for Mail and for reading web pages (chat boards, blogs, etc.)
- built in iSight: I currently have the old-school iSight, which is fine, but elimination of a cable would be nice.

Of course, any improvement(s) in the screen would be welcome. However -- to those on the fence, my personal feeling is that no matter if the next version is diamond-encrusted and comes with 2 free Apple pies, these displays are still very elegant and worthy of professional use.

(+ Most people who are sincere about citing technical spec. deficiencies probably don't even calibrate their displays with a colorimeter -- reducing the legitimacy of their nitpicking, in my opinion)

One last note about the bezel: In addition to matching the Pro line of Apple gear, the silver/grey color of the ACDs actually serves a functional purpose -- neutrality. For that reason, I hope Apple never changes the color, or does anything but make the display more neutral.

I say this as I debate whether or not to order a 2nd 23" with my Mac Pro, or drop a little extra for a Samsung 46" LCD instead. :)

-J

[benpatient]

actually, guys, S-IPS is basically discontinued.

the latest generation of S-PVA panels matches or exceeds the color rendering and viewing angle capabilities of the S-IPS panels, and the technology has hit a wall in the S-IPS camp.

Combine that with a natural response time disadvantage due to the way S-IPS is structured, and you end up with a more expensive, slower version of S-PVA with equivalent color and viewing angles. It's quickly becoming a no-win for S-IPS.

This dell 30 inch, and any Apple version of it that appears this year, will probably be the end of the S-IPS line for most people...

[RaceTripper]

Here's something I don't understand about the ACDs. In researching options and what one should look for in displays, I keep coming across that response time should be 2-5 ms, yet when I read the specs for the ACDs it had the response time at a whoppingly slow 16 ms.

I would think that for Motion and FCP work, you'd want as responsive a display as possible (I'm not a gamer so that's not an issue).

Am I missing something?There is no problem with the ACD response time. This spec can be specified differently (gray-gray, black-white, etc). There are panels (TN) with faster response times but they lack in just about every other area (color accuracy, angle of view, etc). I think the cheaper displays emphasize speccing fast response times to make up for poorer display quality and to appeal to gamers.

[RaceTripper]

actually, guys, S-IPS is basically discontinued.

the latest generation of S-PVA panels matches or exceeds the color rendering and viewing angle capabilities of the S-IPS panels, and the technology has hit a wall in the S-IPS camp.

Combine that with a natural response time disadvantage due to the way S-IPS is structured, and you end up with a more expensive, slower version of S-PVA with equivalent color and viewing angles. It's quickly becoming a no-win for S-IPS.

This dell 30 inch, and any Apple version of it that appears this year, will probably be the end of the S-IPS line for most people...That's contrary to everything I've read. What is the basis (evidence) of your statements.

[macgruder]

Confusion reigns with Dell monitors:

The 3007-HC uses a S-IPS and looks a real bargain at the same price as the 23" ACD (Edit: ah in Japan at least :))

The 23" ACD uses a S-IPS and some of the Dell 2007-HC's do, but the 2407's use a S-PVA afaik. So for the 23/24 range I think the ACD is still a good deal given that it's a S-IPS and you expect to pay a little more for the Apple stuff, and all other 24" S-IPS displays have a comparable price.

On the other hand, the Dell 3007-HC is on paper a great bargain. Same price as the 23" ACD about, and same S-IPS technology as all ACD's.

Built-in camera. I don't think it will happen. Not suitable for many office environments where cameras are not allowed.

[Brianstorm91]

They must all be with those new MacBook Pros.
:mad:

[Madhawk]

We're
incredibly lucky that there still is this company that actually
cares about the whole package, from design and build quality
through to function. That is so rare these days.

I totally agree!!! ;)

[RaceTripper]

On the other hand, the Dell 3007-HC is on paper a great bargain. Same price as the 23" ACD about, and same S-IPS technology as all ACD's.Where do you find the Dell at the same price as the 23" ACD? I've never seen the Dell lower than $1100 or so, and it currently shows for $1400 on Dell.com. That quite a bit more than the 23" ACD? If I could get the 3007 under $1000 I'd be tempted to sell my 23 ACD.

Agree about cameras. Until recently I couldn't take my MBP or iPhone to work. The only reason that changed is that you can't get a cell phone without a camera anymore, so they relaxed the rules.

[macgruder]

Where do you find the Dell at the same price as the 23" ACD? I've never seen the Dell lower than $1100 or so, and it currently shows for $1400 on Dell.com. That quite a bit more than the 23" ACD? If I could get the 3007 under $1000 I'd be tempted to sell my 23 ACD.

Agree about cameras. Until recently I couldn't take my MBP or iPhone to work. The only reason that changed is that you can't get a cell phone without a camera anymore, so they relaxed the rules.

I'm in Japan and ACD 23" is 114,800 yen ($1000) and Dell is 118,000 yen and has a 3 year guarantee. Looks like the Dell is an incredible bargain over here. I assumed that the situation was similar in the U.S. Perhaps not :)

[RaceTripper]

I'm in Japan and ACD 23" is 114,800 yen ($1000) and Dell is 118,000 yen and has a 3 year guarantee. Looks like the Dell is an incredible bargain over here. I assumed that the situation was similar in the U.S. Perhaps not :)

23" ACD $899 vs. 30" Dell $1399.
I got $100 off that when I bought my ACD.

[macgruder]

23" ACD $899 vs. 30" Dell $1399.
I got $100 off that when I bought my ACD.

Yes, it looks as though the Dell in Japan is about 30% cheaper, and the ACD is about 15% more expensive. If only it were the opposite.


What should I do :confused: That Dell is mighty tempting.

[RaceTripper]

Yes, it looks as though the Dell in Japan is about 30% cheaper, and the ACD is about 15% more expensive. If only it were the opposite.


What should I do :confused: That Dell is mighty tempting.Given that the Dell has a S-IPS panel, I would have jumped on it at the same price point as a 23" ACD.I would still like to have a 30" S-IPS display. I may still sell my ACD and upgrade to the Dell or Apple (depending on tax returns).

[macgruder]

Given that the Dell has a S-IPS panel, I would have jumped on it at the same price point as a 23" ACD.I would still like to have a 30" S-IPS display. I may still sell my ACD and upgrade to the Dell or Apple (depending on tax returns).

My only worry is the Dell 3007 may actually be too big for me. The 2407 HC is going for $500 here. It seems there is some kind of Dell campaign going on in Japan, and the monitors are much cheaper than usual (http://www1.jp.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/monitors_24_30?c=jp&cs=jpdhs1&l=ja&s=dhs).

I'll give Apple a couple of days and see what happens.

[LOZER]

Its would be nice to see something by the end of Macworld but i doubt it. Maybe in next few months or WWDC.

[CalfCanuck]

Part of the reason the Dell 3007 may be that cheap is that the new model ( the Dell 3008WFP) has been released. Word is that the gamut on the new Dell can work in the Adobe RGB color space as well.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2244005,00.asp

[Ear Whiskers]

Can anyone guess when Apple will release new displays?

Well, since we're guessing...

Tuesday, 1/29/8, right before PMA 08 begins.

Uhmmm... how about...

20" updated specs or additional ports or lower price
23" dropped
24" LED (same price as outgoing 23")
30" updated specs or additional ports

I think it would be very Apple-like to LED a new 24" with the anticipations that frustrated and/or impatient 30" fence-sitters will purchase this monitor, in addition to all of us other folk who buy stuff because it's new and perty. Consequently, professionals and others might be upset that there is no 30" LED, so Apple will have some type of update for these folks.

The 30" LED gets released in April (same price or less), at NAB. At WWDC, the 20" goes LED (again, same price or less) thus completing the LCD segment of Apple's green initiative. This would make for a natural, brief talking-point during the opening of the Steve-note.

These are just updated displays, not redesigns. That happens later on in the year or MWSF '09, at the latest.

[babboxy]

I'm expecting new Cinema Displays any moment.... I just ordered mine :p

[AppleNewton]

Well, since we're guessing...

Tuesday, 1/29/8, right before PMA 08 begins.

Uhmmm... how about...

20" updated specs or additional ports or lower price
23" dropped
24" LED (same price as outgoing 23")
30" updated specs or additional ports

I think it would be very Apple-like to LED a new 24" with the anticipations that frustrated and/or impatient 30" fence-sitters will purchase this monitor, in addition to all of us other folk who buy stuff because it's new and perty. Consequently, professionals and others might be upset that there is no 30" LED, so Apple will have some type of update for these folks.

The 30" LED gets released in April (same price or less), at NAB. At WWDC, the 20" goes LED (again, same price or less) thus completing the LCD segment of Apple's green initiative. This would make for a natural, brief talking-point during the opening of the Steve-note.

These are just updated displays, not redesigns. That happens later on in the year or MWSF '09, at the latest.


well with the current displays at a price premium and LED backlit displays not as widely used (yet, they will be) there is going to be a bigger price premium give or take whatthe current displays go for.

just be expecting to pay the same price maybe alittle more fo rthat and unchanged ports for "updated" LED Backlit displays.


once the www.apple.com/displays/ gets updated @ apple.com (since its one of the last of the pages on the site to get updated and the information about the displays is using the "outdated" older information for the 1,1 & 2,1 MacPro video cards, so im guessing sometime this year theyll get rolled out ~ since the other products pages have been all updated to the current apple theme and look)


id still buy one now, im going to try by next week if a new one comes out, well see how well it fairs,i have no issue with purchasing one now and in the coming months trading it off towards one after i see how it is received

[ajn946]

Dells new one are available.
New 24'http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/dells-24-inch-2408wfp-monitor-with-displayport-and-everything/

NEC's new one is also available.
New 24' http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/necs-30-inch-lcd3090wqxi-makes-pros-swoon-linguists-scowl/

Any chance apple with follow suit? I doubt it :(

[klute]

I got tired of waiting so yesterday I bought a ACD 23".
Wow! It´s super nice and it´s still a great display.
Much better then my 20" Dell.
Now I just have to wait for my MB to arrive.

[OneArmedScissor]

im still deciding on the dell 30" or the acd 30". I really wish we had some kind of leak so i could get a time frame, because time for my purchase is running out.

[Mr.PS]

well with the current displays at a price premium and LED backlit displays not as widely used (yet, they will be) there is going to be a bigger price premium give or take whatthe current displays go for.

just be expecting to pay the same price maybe alittle more fo rthat and unchanged ports for "updated" LED Backlit displays.


once the www.apple.com/displays/ (http://www.apple.com/displays/) gets updated @ apple.com (since its one of the last of the pages on the site to get updated and the information about the displays is using the "outdated" older information for the 1,1 & 2,1 MacPro video cards, so im guessing sometime this year they'll get rolled out ~ since the other products pages have been all updated to the current apple theme and look)


id still buy one now, im going to try by next week if a new one comes out, well see how well it fairs,i have no issue with purchasing one now and in the coming months trading it off towards one after i see how it is received

The displays will most definitely be more expensive, that's expected. I can't stand the bitching and moaning on all of these forums about Mac products being expensive - deal with it. You're paying a premium for a premium brand and operating system. If you don't feel it's worth it, go back to PC.

As for the new Displays. I'd gladly order right now and trade up, but I don't want to loose any money when the new ACD's do indeed come out.

[benpatient]

i wonder why apple isn't using you in their "switch" campaign?

deal with it.

nice.

you do realize that people actually DO go back to PC all the time. largely because of people like you.

i guess maybe you're trying to make sure that apple doesn't get too popular, because then you'd have to switch to something else so you can continue to be in the elite minority?

[Mr.PS]

i wonder why apple isn't using you in their "switch" campaign?

deal with it.

nice.

you do realize that people actually DO go back to PC all the time. largely because of people like you.

i guess maybe you're trying to make sure that apple doesn't get too popular, because then you'd have to switch to something else so you can continue to be in the elite minority?

I honestly could not care less, I'm willing to pay for something I want and something that I feel is better then everything else for my needs. The Cinema Displays are cheap in comparison to the new Dell 30" ($2,000) and a fully loaded PC with the same amount of power as a Mac Pro is most certainly going to cost you the same if not more. I'm not a Mac user, I'm a PC user, and until new ACD's come out I will continue to be a PC user.

Like I said, deal with it, or buy other products. You pay a premium for good products and brand names - the same goes for cars, homes, clothes, planes, jewelry, yachts, food, and everything else in life.

[CalfCanuck]

I honestly could not care less, I'm willing to pay for something I want and something that I feel is better then everything else for my needs. The Cinema Displays are cheap in comparison to the new Dell 30" ($2,000) and a fully loaded PC with the same amount of power as a Mac Pro is most certainly going to cost you the same if not more. I'm not a Mac user, I'm a PC user, and until new ACD's come out I will continue to be a PC user.
To be fair, you have to compare the old, last generation ACDs to the old Dell 30", which is currently going for $1050 at Dell.

[Roy]

The displays will most definitely be more expensive, that's expected. I can't stand the bitching and moaning on all of these forums about Mac products being expensive - deal with it. You're paying a premium for a premium brand and operating system. If you don't feel it's worth it, go back to PC.

As for the new Displays. I'd gladly order right now and trade up, but I don't want to loose any money when the new ACD's do indeed come out.


Who wouldn't? I'll gladly buy a monitor now if when the next model comes out I can trade up and not lose any money.:)

[Mr.PS]

To be fair, you have to compare the old, last generation ACDs to the old Dell 30", which is currently going for $1050 at Dell.

I agree, but when a new Cinema display comes out it will be $2,500 at least. That $500 premium even over the 3008WFP is warranted with Mac due to the color accuracy and SOHC (sp?) certification.


Who wouldn't? I'll gladly buy a monitor now if when the next model comes out I can trade up and not lose any money.:)

Ha, true that!