since there were no MBP update..

[mhml92]

Okay there were no update but instead of moaning why not try to see the best in the situation..

The MBP seems to be in need of a face lift so isn't there some of you photoshoppers who could come up with some mockups??

It would do it myself but since i dont have a decent computer and rather would burn in hell then use paint i ask you.

(it might also be because i suck at using paint)

[Creibold]

Man I'm sick of hearing about this "Macbook Pro update." Everyone told me not to buy one when I did a month before christmas and you know what? They were all wrong. They are more than fast enough for everything you would want to do with a laptop.

*rant over* Sorry, just annoyed.

[Rabbleboy]

Have to agree with the MBP update.. I am up for my first buy, and I want it to be fully up-to-date when I do.. All i'm asking is a new GPU and the Penryn CPU.
Anyone have any "rumors" to throw around. It's been 6 months since the GPU was last updated or am i wrong?

I am going for the low end MBP and not going to sell everything i have to get the big package(even though it wold be awesome), and i just think it is too unsure to buy one of the low ends now..

[Batt]

Have to agree with the MBP update.. I am up for my first buy, and I want it to be fully up-to-date when I do.. All i'm asking is a new GPU and the Penryn CPU.
Anyone have any "rumors" to throw around. It's been 6 months since the GPU was last updated or am i wrong?

I am going for the low end MBP and not going to sell everything i have to get the big package(even though it wold be awesome), and i just think it is too unsure to buy one of the low ends now..
Welcome to MacWaiters. Why the uncertainty? The inevitable did not happen. A MBP update was, for all intents and purposes, guaranteed all over this forum. Didn't happen. Stop waiting. Waiting is for suckers.

[scypher84]

I've been waiting since August. Why? Because I can. Until it comes out, I will continue bitching, because really, an update is long overdue.

[Stridder44]

I've been waiting since August. Why? Because I can. Until it comes out, I will continue bitching, because really, an update is long overdue.


x2

[MoreMaypo]

I think the reasonable thing for the waiters (including myself) to do is to continue waiting until ~mid-February. If they don't at least do a processor update by then, you can count on waiting until ~June for a major update.

[gazfocus]

I've been waiting since August. Why? Because I can. Until it comes out, I will continue bitching, because really, an update is long overdue.

x2

I too have been waiting since August, since the release of the new iMac's.

I am in no hurry for a MBP so I will wait as long as it takes. I am also waiting for a CPU upgrade in the iMac's before I buy one of those too...especially with the high end model now showing as 'discontinued'.

[gazfocus]

I think the reasonable thing for the waiters (including myself) to do is to continue waiting until ~mid-February. If they don't at least do a processor update by then, you can count on waiting until ~June for a major update.

I'd be happy waiting til next christmas if I had to.... all the time saving up even more money to put towards my new machine.

If the MBP is updated within the next 2 months, I will also be buying a new 'redesigned' model when that arrives.

[jumpinjoe]

I too have been waiting since August, since the release of the new iMac's.

I am in no hurry for a MBP so I will wait as long as it takes. I am also waiting for a CPU upgrade in the iMac's before I buy one of those too...especially with the high end model now showing as 'discontinued'.

Where does the high end imac show as discontinued?
I think there will soon be an upgrade to the Macbookpros. Like the macpros, the form will stay the same, and the internals changed. Nothing fancy for Steve to show on stage, but it will get an update. Probably just the Penryn processor, but an upgraded GPU would be nice.

[gazfocus]

Where does the high end imac show as discontinued?
I think there will soon be an upgrade to the Macbookpros. Like the macpros, the form will stay the same, and the internals changed. Nothing fancy for Steve to show on stage, but it will get an update. Probably just the Penryn processor, but an upgraded GPU would be nice.

On all/most European Apple Online Stores. It shows "Ready to ship: Discontinued"

[nikhsub1]

I've been waiting since August. Why? Because I can. Until it comes out, I will continue bitching, because really, an update is long overdue.
Let me be the first to say this to you. LMAO. An update is LONG overdue? Why? Man the people here live in a fantasy land it is laughable.

[gazfocus]

Let me be the first to say this to you. LMAO. An update is LONG overdue? Why? Man the people here live in a fantasy land it is laughable.

What makes you say or even think that?

The laptop design has been EXACTLY the same since the Aluminium PowerBook G4. Therefore, yes the design itself is long overdue.

As for spec's, the spec was last updated in June 2007, so again, the spec's are way out of date.

[wentwj]

What makes you say or even think that?

The laptop design has been EXACTLY the same since the Aluminium PowerBook G4. Therefore, yes the design itself is long overdue.

As for spec's, the spec was last updated in June 2007, so again, the spec's are way out of date.

Apple doesn't tend to update it's products as much as PC manufactures, a little over 6 months really isn't "long overdue". I'd say it's about time for an update, but probably not a major one given the Air announcement. Long overdue is when we start seeing 9+ months from an internals update.

If you think 6 months is "long overdue" how quickly do you think they should be rolling out updates?

[Rabbleboy]

Its true the design is kinda old.. But I don't really think it matters, it's still stylish and neutral. As for waiting i don't mind either - i'm not in a hurry, but i would indeed like to see some leakes about intended updates soon ............... I'm all after the internals, just hope they will be satisfying.:cool:

[gazfocus]

Apple doesn't tend to update it's products as much as PC manufactures, a little over 6 months really isn't "long overdue". I'd say it's about time for an update, but probably not a major one given the Air announcement. Long overdue is when we start seeing 9+ months from an internals update.

If you think 6 months is "long overdue" how quickly do you think they should be rolling out updates?

Please read my initial post.

The laptop design has been EXACTLY the same since the Aluminium PowerBook G4. Therefore, yes the design itself is long overdue.

I was saying that the design of the MacBook Pro is long overdue an update because it's been the same for several years.

I was just saying that the spec's are out of date in line with that of other manufacturers in the same price bracket. Dell are currently on 2.6Ghz processors for under £1000.

I know it's not really fair to compare an Apple with a Dell, but Apple are using Intel processors to enable them to update the machines quicker than with PowerPC processors.

[nikhsub1]

What makes you say or even think that?

The laptop design has been EXACTLY the same since the Aluminium PowerBook G4. Therefore, yes the design itself is long overdue.

As for spec's, the spec was last updated in June 2007, so again, the spec's are way out of date.
By your post I can tell you do not know much about PC hardware. The specs are way out of date? Really? You have no idea how wrong you are, that is the funny part. There is NO NEW MOBILE CHIPSET YET. So any 'new' updates would simply be a new processor (Penryn) which is hardly a worthy move to call it 'updated'. Quite simply, there is nothing to update to yet. The next chipset is Montevina, which will be out later this year. I don't expect Apple to do much UNTIL then. It would make sense to redesign the case then if they plan to do that as well.

In laymens terms THERE IS NOTHING TO UPGRADE TO YET. If you want to educate yourself on Montevina: http://www.wimax.com/commentary/blog/blog-2007/intel-montevina-wimax

[gazfocus]

By your post I can tell you do not know much about PC hardware. The specs are way out of date? Really? You have no idea how wrong you are, that is the funny part. There is NO NEW MOBILE CHIPSET YET. So any 'new' updates would simply be a new processor (Penryn) which is hardly a worthy move to call it 'updated'. Quite simply, there is nothing to update to yet. The next chipset is Montevina, which will be out later this year. I don't expect Apple to do much UNTIL then. It would make sense to redesign the case then if they plan to do that as well.

In laymens terms THERE IS NOTHING TO UPGRADE TO YET. If you want to educate yourself on Montevina: http://www.wimax.com/commentary/blog/blog-2007/intel-montevina-wimax

LMAO you're funny. I'm an IT Support Techie and I do an IT Degree at University but I don't know anything about hardware? Hmmmmm.

The Penryn CPU's offer more performance that the SR CPU's. (Not just in clock speeds either). There have been numerous reports stating this. People are also crying out to Apple to include better GPU's/VRAM and Bigger HDD's.

It's not all about CPU's and Chipsets!!!

[nikhsub1]

LMAO you're funny. I'm an IT Support Techie and I do an IT Degree at University but I don't know anything about hardware? Hmmmmm.
Then you wouldn't say an update (in hardware) is long overdue.

[gazfocus]

Then you wouldn't say an update (in hardware) is long overdue.

People, please read my posts!!!!! The only thing I said was "Long Overdue" was the design of the MBP.

I was simply stating that the hardware is likely to be updated before the new chipsets are released, in order to keep up with they market. It wouldn't make sense for Apple to completely miss Penryn altogether just because of Montevina would it?

[nikhsub1]

As for spec's, the spec was last updated in June 2007, so again, the spec's are way out of date.

Please read my initial post.
I was just saying that the spec's are out of date...

People, please read my posts!!!!! The only thing I said was "Long Overdue" was the design of the MBP.

You said it, not me. :p

[gazfocus]

You said it, not me. :p

Yes, I said the specs are out of date, which they are! There are companies uisng 2.8GHz processors and are about the price of the mid MBP

[nikhsub1]

Yes, I said the specs are out of date, which they are! There are companies uisng 2.8GHz processors and are about the price of the mid MBP
Umm, we are both talking about Apple right? Enough said.

[scypher84]

Haha, this is essentially an argument between those who did wait and those that didn't, or those whose needs were met by the Macbook Air and those whose needs weren't met. Let me bitch and be free.

The thing is, everyone here pretty much convinced me that the new MBPs would be released at MWSF. Normally I'd be pretty skeptical about rumors like that but this community seemed reasonably confident that it would happen (what with the whole Buyer's Guide saying "DO NOT BUY, UPDATES SOON" in big bold red letters). Internet, you have failed me once again.

wentwj,
I will be back in 3 months if that doesn't happen.

[thechidz]

I wont be updating mine until there is a redesign of the form factor of some sort, no matter how small it is...

[nikhsub1]

Haha, this is essentially an argument between those who did wait and those that didn't, or those whose needs were met by the Macbook Air and those whose needs weren't met. Let me bitch and be free.

The thing is, everyone here pretty much convinced me that the new MBPs would be released at MWSF. Normally I'd be pretty skeptical about rumors like that but this community seemed reasonably confident that it would happen (what with the whole Buyer's Guide saying "DO NOT BUY, UPDATES SOON" in big bold red letters). Internet, you have failed me once again.

wentwj,
I will be back in 3 months if that doesn't happen.
Think what you want. I KNEW there would be no MB or MBP update. To me, using the Santa Rosa and slapping a Penryn CPU in there is not an update. If it is to you, we just have different definitions. Apple is not dumb. If anyone looked at the intel roadmap you would see WHY there was no update, I will say it AGAIN, there is nothing to update to. Yeah you can say the 8800 mobile, the 2.8Ghz CPU but guess what? Those draw TOO MUCH power and produce too much heat for the current MBP design. Do people buy the MBP to game? Didn't think so. The 8600GM is still a very decent mobile card, it is not the best but certainly good enough. The gain of the Penryn in the current chipset is MINISCULE - 5% performance perhaps, 5% battery life? Intel also has a history of die shrinks which are supposed to lessen heat but actually do the opposite. If Apple were to update the MBP NOW, they could give it the Penryn and give the 17" an LED backlit screen and a more robust video card. Sure it's possible that they would do this, but I do believe we will get the full monty with the new Montevina chipset, meaning redsign case, trackpad etc, etc.

[wentwj]

Haha, this is essentially an argument between those who did wait and those that didn't, or those whose needs were met by the Macbook Air and those whose needs weren't met. Let me bitch and be free.

The thing is, everyone here pretty much convinced me that the new MBPs would be released at MWSF. Normally I'd be pretty skeptical about rumors like that but this community seemed reasonably confident that it would happen (what with the whole Buyer's Guide saying "DO NOT BUY, UPDATES SOON" in big bold red letters). Internet, you have failed me once again.

wentwj,
I will be back in 3 months if that doesn't happen.

Well, I'd hate to boil this down to just a "Wait X amount of months, thats when an update is due", type thing, I just don't see the REAL urgency in upgrading to penryn. I also don't see a huge reason to NOT update, so I do suspect there'll be a silent update for it soon.

I think the MacPro was considerably more overdue for an update before it got it's update, than the MacBook Pro is now. Apple is cutting edge on design, but as far as updating hardware in existing products, they tend to lax and not keep entirely up to date. It's probably a result of Apple being the only company that makes Macs. On the PC side there are several manufactures so everytime there's any kind of hardware update, some manufacture will be picking it up and making a new model for it.

I don't really have a horse in this fight either, I will be getting a Mac Pro in approximately two weeks whether or not it's updated. I'd like it to be updated, but I really don't mind about the current spec. I'd like a major redesign with magentic latches and new keyboards but... I could really take or leave a silent processor update. I'd rather have the newest tech for the same buck, but the current MacBook Pro hardware suffices for what I need.

I'll say what I always say to people who are waiting to buy a new machine. If you can wait, if you don't need it, or the current model doesn't fit some aspect that you need, then wait. If you need it, or your just waiting for an update just for an update (and you REALLY want it), then go ahead and get it.

[MadDog31]

I was one of the many that were disappointed by yesterday's MWSF (although the keynote was entertaining to watch as usual). I am ready to jump to the Mac side from Windows, and this just keeps my thirst going.

My desktop computer crashed finally (it had been adding up in the last month), but luckily I have an HP zv6000 that I loaded up a few years back to get me through this time while I wait. I'm among those that would like a new one now, but don't NEED it now...I can wait for even a silent refresh.

Big things for me, even outside of the Penryn upgrade and possibly GPU upgrade is the LED screen. I really like the look of them, and I'm excited about the possibilities of getting one when I switch over. The trackpad would be awesome, but for some reason for me it keeps coming back to the LED. The other things would be nice too, but I at least try to keep it real.

That said, a friend of mine had his PC crash and he had no computer to go to, so a friend of mine and I talked him into an iMac he's ordering tonight. That is a perfect example of NEEDING to get it now.

[gazfocus]

I do have to agree that if you NEED one now, buy it now.

I however, don't need a new laptop now (I have a work laptop and a high spec PC).

I will be waiting for the iMac to be updated somewhat, and although I was itching to buy a MBP (and have just sold my insurance replacement to fund majority of the price), I am thinking of waiting for the full upgrade (case and all).

My only worry is that if I don't like the new case, I'll be sorely disappointed to not have one of the current design.

[Spline]

Since Jobs made a commitment (http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=39980)to transition the entire notebook line to LED displays by the end of '08 (MBA being the first to roll them out), that plus Montevina in mid-08 or beyond, might suggest the timing for the next refresh.

[Hls811]

Maybe its just me - but i like the design of the current MBP and am somewhat afraid of what a newer version might look like.

Ever since I first saw Mini-Me and Yuo Ming on a plane with thier oversized/undersized Powerbooks I've liked this design..

The only thing I'd change is the Magnetic closure (I had a regular MB and thought that was pretty nifty) - but aside from that I'm still enjoying the MBP look!

[macsforme]

As others have said, these are great laptops as-is, and should serve you well for a long time to come. If you need it, buy it. However, just because an update was not introduced at MWSF doesn't mean there couldn't be an update in the next few weeks or months (and yes, I know it's not as simple as a 6-month release schedule or whatever). Personally, I'm a college student who can afford to wait it out a little longer, and who wants to get the very best value out of the dollar. If this means that I'll have to wait a bit longer, so be it.

[pksweedflame]

I was fully expecting a new Macbook Pro as everyone else, but now I'm having to decide between the Macbook Air and the Macbook Pro. I would buy the MBA, but somehow, the $1799US translates to $2999NZ on the New Zealand Apple store - using simple currency exchanges, it should be $2400NZ.

Even if you convert the $1799US in other currencies, such as Hong Kong, Korea, the Euro, and Australia, it's still significantly lower than the NZ price.

Anyway, i can get a 2.2ghz MBP for the same price as a 1.6ghz MBA, but the only thing preventing me is the fear of a new update:

- new processors?
- lower price on MBP?
- addition of multi-trackpad?
- an Apple-style re-design?

So for the mean while, I'll just have to wait until either the new MBP comes out or the MBA drops in price by at least $300 US.

[mashinhead]

i actually i think the most impressive thing about the MBA is the remote disk option. that to me is the real innovation. I think that the next macbook pro will be like the MBA, meaning sans built-in optical drive. It will probably have black backlight keys, and multitouch trackpad. basically a thicker MBA. but i wonder what kind of HD they will use? I want to say they will go with 1.8 in drives but the largest one i've seen available is 160gb. which means they would probably not use that seeing as how they won't go backward. is there an larger one coming out soon? this could be a hint of when it might come out.

[bluetuned]

i actually i think the most impressive thing about the MBA is the remote disk option. that to me is the real innovation. I think that the next macbook pro will be like the MBA, meaning sans built-in optical drive. It will probably have black backlight keys, and multitouch trackpad. basically a thicker MBA. but i wonder what kind of HD they will use? I want to say they will go with 1.8 in drives but the largest one i've seen available is 160gb. which means they would probably not use that seeing as how they won't go backward. is there an larger one coming out soon? this could be a hint of when it might come out.

I don't mean to offend but there is absolutely no way in hell that the next MBP comes without an optical drive. I'd personally hope for a Blu-Ray drive (probably not if it's just a refresh, but once they really do a full-blown redesign it should be there). But seriously, if you take the optical drive out then you might as well take 'pro' out of the name. The MBP is for people who work in the media related industries as much as it is for casual consumers, and an optical drive is pretty mandatory.

[gazfocus]

I don't mean to offend but there is absolutely no way in hell that the next MBP comes without an optical drive. I'd personally hope for a Blu-Ray drive (probably not if it's just a refresh, but once they really do a full-blown redesign it should be there). But seriously, if you take the optical drive out then you might as well take 'pro' out of the name. The MBP is for people who work in the media related industries as much as it is for casual consumers, and an optical drive is pretty mandatory.

Here Here!!! Apple would be really dumb to remove the optical drive from the MacBook Pro. Photographers, Music Producers & Video Editors use MacBook Pro's, and they don't want to be messing around with external drives to burn their stuff on location.

I don't see it happening to be honest.

[pksweedflame]

I don't think the new update of the MBP will be a 'thicker' MBA.

Apple isn't stupid and it won't disturb the market for MBA's. If it's got all the features that the MBA has - i.e. remote disk, super-slim, etc - what's the point of a Macbook Air that is so slow with a small harddrive? Won't people just buy the MBP??

I think the pro update will be modest - new penryn processors and most likely the multi-touch trackpad - but that's about as far they'll go.

Possibly a silent update like the Mac Pro??