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srexy
Jan 16, 2008, 08:20 AM
Now that we have Time Capsule do you think Apple tv will stream directly from the base station or will it always be tied strictly to an install of iTunes?



imlucid
Jan 16, 2008, 11:08 AM
Now that we have Time Capsule do you think Apple tv will stream directly from the base station or will it always be tied strictly to an install of iTunes?

Tied to iTunes on a Mac or Windows. There is no ability to stream from anything else.

Kevin

CWallace
Jan 16, 2008, 11:43 AM
I am certainly hoping Apple adds the ability to stream content from the Time Capsule to a Mac, :apple:tv, iPhone and iPod Touch. It would really leverage the technology beyond just as a wireless Time Machine store.

Avatar74
Jan 16, 2008, 11:50 AM
Now that we have Time Capsule do you think Apple tv will stream directly from the base station or will it always be tied strictly to an install of iTunes?

My understanding was that AppleTV will, after the forthcoming software update, be able to stream from the network storage on Time Capsule.

AppleTV can only sync to one computer, and that computer has to be running iTunes, but it can stream from multiple computers.

I'm sure more will be known when the item is shipping, as Apple's employees generally do not have the full details until then.

PhatBoyG
Jan 16, 2008, 12:36 PM
If it ends up that you can stream of the time capsule to Apple TV, that might make the capsule worth the cost. I just don't need yet another wireless router in my office (already had an 802.11n DGL-4500 handling 5 GHz and the older 802.11g DGL-4300 on 2.4 GHz).

imlucid
Jan 16, 2008, 12:45 PM
My understanding was that AppleTV will, after the forthcoming software update, be able to stream from the network storage on Time Capsule.

This is not going to be supported for this release.

Kevin

billabong
Jan 16, 2008, 02:44 PM
this would be very nice for people with a Laptop. I stream my movies from my MacPro which is always on and doesn't go anywhere so I'm good.

JonHimself
Jan 16, 2008, 04:19 PM
What I have now is a 500GB USB drive. On that drive is an iTunes library that contains all of my music and ALL of my TV shows and movies (I keep another library on my actual laptop with music and a handful of movies/tv shows in case I'm not at home). What the Time Capsule (TC) would allow me to do is essentially make the 500GB drive I have now wireless. Not literally. I would buy the 1TB drive and relocate my iTunes library to TC and probably sell the 500GB USB drive (or use it for something else).
In this case, I would technically be streaming from the TC as it would be the location of iTunes library. A computer is still needed however as I am not streaming directly from the TC to Apple TV

7on
Jan 16, 2008, 07:33 PM
this would be very nice for people with a Laptop. I stream my movies from my MacPro which is always on and doesn't go anywhere so I'm good.

Well you don't need a computer with the new software, I imagine you can manage the :apple:tv manually like ipods now

crosses fingers

srexy
Jan 16, 2008, 09:40 PM
What I have now is a 500GB USB drive. On that drive is an iTunes library that contains all of my music and ALL of my TV shows and movies (I keep another library on my actual laptop with music and a handful of movies/tv shows in case I'm not at home). What the Time Capsule (TC) would allow me to do is essentially make the 500GB drive I have now wireless. Not literally. I would buy the 1TB drive and relocate my iTunes library to TC and probably sell the 500GB USB drive (or use it for something else).
In this case, I would technically be streaming from the TC as it would be the location of iTunes library. A computer is still needed however as I am not streaming directly from the TC to Apple TV

Not too dissimilar from my setup except that I have 720gb hooked to my Airport Extreme which I access from my MBP. I'm fortunate that after rolling back to 7.1.1 firmware my airdisk seems pretty stable. I store all of my music on a partition and iTunes accesses this wirelessly.

I'm hoping that Apple TV can indeed stream from the Time Capsule in which case I'd consider dumping my 720gb drive and the AEBS for one.

I can't really imagine synching the Atv w/itunes on my MBP and then effectively streaming wirelessly twice...

stvfisher
Jan 17, 2008, 01:16 PM
I really hopes this works - I would love to stream from Time Capsule to Apple TV without turning on the MacBook!

imlucid
Jan 17, 2008, 02:29 PM
I really hopes this works - I would love to stream from Time Capsule to Apple TV without turning on the MacBook!

This won't work.

Kevin

oursfan
Jan 17, 2008, 02:32 PM
I have a similar set up. 500gig hard drive hooked into my base station and power book pulls my itunes library straight from that hard drive. When I stream my Apple TV from this library, it can not play videos that I have stored on that hard drive because it is simply too much streaming. I can however stream music to the Apple TV. I guess the smaller file size is much easy to handle with all of the streaming. The reason it does not work is because the Apple TV pulls wirelessly from the lap top which pulls the video file wirelessly from the hard drive and then sends it back to the laptop which in turn sends the file back to the Apple TV (all done wirelessly). Simply too much streaming going on for it to work I guess.

Will the Time Capsule cure this problem one day I wonder?

beetlejuice
Jan 19, 2008, 04:46 PM
I have 2 500 gig hd connected to my airport extreme and i can stream video from them through my mac book with no problem at all. I imagine it will be exactly the same with timecapsule

d.f
Jan 20, 2008, 02:08 PM
This won't work.

Kevin

do you know if the reason is technical or otherwise...? such a shame. this would be a huge feature. the lunacy in this wireless / capsule / air age that they haven't enabled this.

so i decide on a whim i feel like watching something of my library, and i still have to go and open my laptop and launch itunes. i know this isn't the biggest thing in the world, but hardly the 'just works' philosophy either.

for me Apple tv MkII is two steps fwd and one step back.

does anyone know if the iTunes compatible NAS devices would work with the new Mk.II version.

CWallace
Jan 20, 2008, 03:10 PM
I can understand Apple not pushing it right away, but I hope they can update iTunes and the firmware on the :apple:tv, iPhone, and iPod Touch to allow Time Capsule to serve as a content source and stream.

I imagine such capability will require some type of device authentication (ala the :apple:tv uses) to try and keep just anyone with an Apple device from being able to connect and grab content.

Time Capsule works for me as-is, since it is more convenient then using locally-attached HDDs (I still keep content on the wired NAS).

aduteau
Jan 21, 2008, 07:43 PM
I called Apple Tech support and they said that you no longer need your PC or MAC opened with itunes to stream media to Apple TV, they said that the new Apple TV update now has a "itunes" software running from Apple TV and that it can find all itunes media from anywhere on the network from Time capsule or even Air disk it seems. !

Mindflux
Jan 21, 2008, 08:23 PM
This won't work.

Kevin


You keep saying this but provide no proof? Steve mentioned specifically streaming from the Time Capsule to the AppleTV 2.0 (software update). So, what do you know that we do not?


Works with iPhone, Apple TV and more
Works With Icon

Time Capsule works flawlessly with Apple TV, iPhone, iPod touch, and all your other Wi-Fi devices that use the 802.11a/b/g and 802.11n draft 2.0 wireless standards.2


Right from the Time Capsule page on the store.

Mindflux
Jan 21, 2008, 08:26 PM
I called Apple Tech support and they said that you no longer need your PC or MAC opened with itunes to stream media to Apple TV, they said that the new Apple TV update now has a "itunes" software running from Apple TV and that it can find all itunes media from anywhere on the network from Time capsule or even Air disk it seems. !


It'll be interesting to see how this works. Being you can share your iTunes DB off your Computer still requires that computer to be on and iTunes to be open. As for additional sources (airdisk etc).. that WOULD be pretty sweet to work with the Air Disk (as that is my setup).

smooky
Jan 22, 2008, 12:37 AM
You keep saying this but provide no proof? Steve mentioned specifically streaming from the Time Capsule to the AppleTV 2.0 (software update). So, what do you know that we do not?

Right from the Time Capsule page on the store.

Check his profile (imlucid) ;)

imlucid
Jan 22, 2008, 11:17 AM
Right from the Time Capsule page on the store.

Here's the quote I found on the store:

Fits your Wi-Fi lifestyle.
Time Capsule uses the 802.11n draft 2.0 specification, so you can rest assured that it works with certified 802.11n draft 2.0 products. And itís compatible with Macs and PCs that use 802.11a, b, or g technologies, as well as wireless devices such as iPhone, iPod touch, and Apple TV.

Yes, Apple TV works with Time Capsule as AN AIRPORT BASE STATION. It won't access its drive directly.

Kevin

d.f
Jan 22, 2008, 02:24 PM
Here's the quote I found on the store:



Yes, Apple TV works with Time Capsule as AN AIRPORT BASE STATION. It won't access its drive directly.

Kevin

i appreciate your insight on this thread. in your opinion do you see it being added as an update. seems a useful feature.... or do you know why Apple would not offer this.

you are currently our oracle on all things :apple:TV.

any info appreciated.

mr_matalino
Jan 22, 2008, 02:38 PM
This won't work.

Kevin

Let us dream

Mindflux
Jan 22, 2008, 03:36 PM
Here's the quote I found on the store:



Yes, Apple TV works with Time Capsule as AN AIRPORT BASE STATION. It won't access its drive directly.

Kevin

no **** sherlock. it's going to access it over WIFI from the AppleTV -> Time Capsule drive. The whole point of the new AppleTV release is to stream from your Time Capsule (OVER WIFI OR A LAN CABLE) without going through your iTunes db on your PC/MAc or rent iTunes movies.

What the hell are you on?

Furthermore, how would you rent iTunes movies directly from the AppleTV (AS SAID IN THE KEYNOTE) if the new version didn't have some version of iTunes on it for the purchasing interface?

NightStorm
Jan 22, 2008, 03:42 PM
no **** sherlock. it's going to access it over WIFI from the AppleTV -> Time Capsule drive. The whole point of the new AppleTV release is to stream from your Time Capsule (OVER WIFI OR A LAN CABLE) without going through your iTunes db on your PC/MAc or rent iTunes movies.

What the hell are you on?

Furthermore, how would you rent iTunes movies directly from the AppleTV (AS SAID IN THE KEYNOTE) if the new version didn't have some version of iTunes on it for the purchasing interface?

I think you have something wrong... it isn't going to stream anything from your time capsule drive directly to the AppleTV. Your computer purchases will come from the iTunes Store, but if you put your iTunes Library on your time capsule drive, it is still going to go "Time Capsule (aka an internal AirDisk) -> Computer -> Airport Extreme (built into Time Capsule enclosure) -> AppleTV" because it has to stream via an open iTunes library. If you rent something from the AppleTV interface, it will stream directly from the Internet to the AppleTV. If you buy something from the AppleTV, it will stream directly from the Internet to the AppleTV, and can by synced back to an iTunes Library if one is configured. Of course, I have not used the new interface, so this is completely based on what I've seen/read about it and my experience with v1.1.

I'm pretty sure Kevin, who is an engineer on the AppleTV team by the looks of his website, knows a lot more about what he's talking about than you on this subject.

Mindflux
Jan 22, 2008, 03:45 PM
I think you have something wrong... it isn't going to stream anything from your time capsule drive. Your purchases will come from the iTunes Store, but if you put your iTunes Library on your time capsule drive, it is still going to go Time Capsule (aka an internal AirDisk) -> Computer -> Airport Extreme (built into Time Capsule enclosure) -> AppleTV because it has to stream via an open iTunes library.

I'm pretty sure Kevin, who is an engineer on the AppleTV team by the looks of his website knows a lot more about what he's talking about than you.

That makes no sense to add a hop into your streaming. Both for latency sake and simplicity sake. Why have my Mac on to stream from a disk independent from my Mac? If this is the case I'll continue to use my AppleTV as I have. I stream directly from my AirDisk (via hacks).

NightStorm
Jan 22, 2008, 03:50 PM
That makes no sense to add a hop into your streaming. Both for latency sake and simplicity sake. Why have my Mac on to stream from a disk independent from my Mac? If this is the case I'll continue to use my AppleTV as I have. I stream directly from my AirDisk (via hacks).
Because that's how streaming from an iTunes library works. It has to go through an open iTunes library. I can verify this is how it works via my ReadyNAS NV+ and AppleTV. I guess if the Time Capsule had an iTunes client running on it, what you are proposing would work, but there has been nothing hinting at this feature.

The ReadyNAS NV+ does have an iTunes-compatible streaming server that will do what you are talking about, but currently only works for music and cannot be associated with an AppleTV (only computers).

Mindflux
Jan 22, 2008, 03:52 PM
Because that's how streaming from an iTunes library works. It has to go through an open iTunes library. I can verify this is how it works via my ReadyNAS NV+ and AppleTV. I guess if the Time Capsule had an iTunes client running on it, what you are proposing would work, but there has been nothing hinting at this feature.


No I dont think TC will have an iTunes client on it, I think the AppleTV software update will. (It had been suggested by a few others on the forum). It would make no sense for the Time Capsule to have it, since not everyone has an AppleTV to use that 'feature'. I guess I'll keep an eye out for how things work when the update hits. I wanted a Time Capsule, but now maybe not so much.


If all the AppleTV update does is use my desktop iTunes as a proxy then it's no good to me.

pruppert
Jan 30, 2008, 02:28 AM
Well, after reading this thread, I agree that the ability to stream directly from Time Capsule would be an excellent feature since it will always be on and given its copious storage capacity. It is too bad it wasn't included this time but I'm still looking forward to Take Two nonetheless, and hopefully this feature will be included in the next update.

Kudos to Kevin and his colleagues.

stvfisher
Mar 1, 2008, 09:12 PM
SO now that AppleTV Take 2 and Time Capsule are both on the market....

has anyone tried to stream straight from the TC to the AppleTV without having and iTunes client running on their macbook/imac/etc ?

FleurDuMal
Mar 2, 2008, 10:41 AM
Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't using the Time Capsule as a media storage device which can be accessed by AppleTV without a Mac/PC running iTunes inbetween kinda missing the point of the Time Capsule (from Apple's PoV)?

The Time Capsule is meant to be an enhancement of the Time Machine part of Leopard, making the process a little more seamless (i.e. no disconnecting/reconnecting external hard drives for us laptop users). Apple does not see this as simply extra storage with wireless capabilities. Hence I'm skeptical that Apple is gonna update software to allow for this sort of integration with AppleTV. If Apple allows it to be used in such a away, it makes it much more difficult to also use TC as a backup device (after all, what are you gonna back up the media on the TC onto?!?).

However, the idea is laudable. I think it'd make sense for some sort of media storage device to pair up with the AppleTV to be released. The concepts reliance on an always on machine seems rather messy to me - a bit unApple. Ideally, they'd release a Time Capsual Media Edition, or something, which actually had two drives inside - one 500GB one for your media, and one 1TB one to back up both that media and whatever is on your Macbook/iMac.

Evangelion
Mar 2, 2008, 10:50 AM
The Time Capsule is meant to be an enhancement of the Time Machine part of Leopard, making the process a little more seamless (i.e. no disconnecting/reconnecting external hard drives for us laptop users). Apple does not see this as simply extra storage with wireless capabilities.

Um, yes they do. From the website:

ime Capsule with Time Machine in Leopard is the ideal backup solution. But that doesnít mean Tiger, Windows XP, and Windows Vista users canít enjoy the benefits of Time Capsule, too. Because it mounts as a wireless hard drive, Tiger and Windows users simply access Time Capsule directly from the wireless network for exchanging and storing files quickly and easily.

Time Capsule is just network attached storage that can be used for backups. But that does not mean that it's ONLY meant for backups. You can use it for regular filestorage as well.

That said, streaming content to AppleTV would not work, since the streaming has to go through iTunes. Of course you could store your iTunes-library on Time Capsule, and then stream it, but even then it needs iTunes running on the computer. The content would basically go from Time Capsule, to the iTunes running on the computer to the AppleTV.

balamw
Mar 2, 2008, 10:50 AM
The concepts reliance on an always on machine seems rather messy to me - a bit unApple.

Amen. :apple:TV is not a zen-like experience like the iPod is/was, and the lack of big storage is a big part of it. The Take 2 firmware helps a lot since it shows you all your media in the iTunes library without having to select a separate source.

It would be SO much easier if either: the USB port was natively enabled and can be used to expand/replace your internal drive. ** Or, if they let you stream from Time Capsule, or some other 3.5" HDD based device.

** For example, the DirecTV HD-DVRs have an eSATA port on the back, when you connect an external to it, it replaces your internal drive instead of expanding it.

B

Evangelion
Mar 2, 2008, 10:51 AM
no **** sherlock. it's going to access it over WIFI from the AppleTV -> Time Capsule drive. The whole point of the new AppleTV release is to stream from your Time Capsule (OVER WIFI OR A LAN CABLE) without going through your iTunes db on your PC/MAc or rent iTunes movies.

What the hell are you on?

Furthermore, how would you rent iTunes movies directly from the AppleTV (AS SAID IN THE KEYNOTE) if the new version didn't have some version of iTunes on it for the purchasing interface?

Keep digging that hole, buddy...

FleurDuMal
Mar 2, 2008, 11:00 AM
Amen. :apple:TV is not a zen-like experience like the iPod is/was, and the lack of big storage is a big part of it. The Take 2 firmware helps a lot since it shows you all your media in the iTunes library without having to select a separate source.

It would be SO much easier if either: the USB port was natively enabled and can be used to expand/replace your internal drive. ** Or, if they let you stream from Time Capsule, or some other 3.5" HDD based device.

** For example, the DirecTV HD-DVRs have an eSATA port on the back, when you connect an external to it, it replaces your internal drive instead of expanding it.

B

Perhaps its an indication of Apples future strategy? I don't think they want people to store 100s of ripped movies on their AppleTV. They want you just to store your music and photos on it (for which 160GB - for most people - is enough), and then just rent your movies off the iTunes store. I reckon as HD movies come in, Apple is gonna phase out buying movies outright and make renting from the Store the norm.

stvfisher
Mar 2, 2008, 02:04 PM
Perhaps its an indication of Apples future strategy? I don't think they want people to store 100s of ripped movies on their AppleTV. They want you just to store your music and photos on it (for which 160GB - for most people - is enough)...

It kind of annoys me I need to store my media on 3 devices. My MacBook, iPod and AppleTV.... not to mention my Time Machine backup. That's 4 places Apple wants me to store my media.

And yes, I understand I don't 'have to' store my media on an AppleTV, but I'd rather store it there than stream from my MacBook. What if I'm on the road with my laptop and my wife wants to watch or listen to something on the AppleTV?

I really hope they eventually come out with a Media edition time machine.

balamw
Mar 2, 2008, 09:44 PM
Perhaps its an indication of Apples future strategy?
I sincerely hope it's not Apple, but the misguided content providers who also thought DRM was a good idea that are behind this.

EDIT: I think the way that Apple is being fairly lenient with modders/hackers is an indication of this...

B

grazzyman
Mar 11, 2008, 08:17 PM
So when apple put on their website 'works with appletv' for the description what do they actually mean. I purchased the time capsule solely for putting on movies, music etc that I could access from my Apple TV.

What should/could I do? Can I use NitoTV or ATV files etc to access files on the Time Capsule?

Any help appreciated.

Grazzyman

grazzyman
Mar 12, 2008, 08:20 AM
any ideas?

balamw
Mar 12, 2008, 08:37 AM
So when apple put on their website 'works with appletv' for the description what do they actually mean. I purchased the time capsule solely for putting on movies, music etc that I could access from my Apple TV.

What should/could I do? Can I use NitoTV or ATV files etc to access files on the Time Capsule?

Any help appreciated.

Grazzyman

On the page you cite, Apple is merely saying that :apple:TV is compatible with the access point/router features of Time Capsule, i.e. it can talk to your PC/Mac and the internet though it.

You can get it to "work" if you still keep a Mac or PC in the loop, just put the iTunes library on the Time Capsule and keep the Mac or PC on and running iTunes. :mad:

I have not (yet) hacked mine, but as I understand it ATVFiles is the plugin you need, nitoTV and Perian just add to the kind of movies you can watch. Unfortunately ATVFiles is still in beta for Take 2.

B

roland.g
Mar 12, 2008, 10:59 AM
I called Apple Tech support and they said that you no longer need your PC or MAC opened with itunes to stream media to Apple TV, they said that the new Apple TV update now has a "itunes" software running from Apple TV and that it can find all itunes media from anywhere on the network from Time capsule or even Air disk it seems. !

It'll be interesting to see how this works. Being you can share your iTunes DB off your Computer still requires that computer to be on and iTunes to be open. As for additional sources (airdisk etc).. that WOULD be pretty sweet to work with the Air Disk (as that is my setup).

iTunes tells the Apple TV what content is available to stream. If it is not running, there is no content. When I shut down iTunes I lose access to all my streaming media which means only my synced photos are available. This would be true regardless of whether I was using a TC base station, and AEBS with a Airdisk connected, a FW/USB HDD connected to my Mac or my internal drive as my library. iTunes must be running. For those who use laptops, sorry but that's the sitch. Get a desktop or leave your portable running with iTunes open. You can even keep it awake and close the lid.

mindcrash
Mar 12, 2008, 12:00 PM
If all the AppleTV update does is use my desktop iTunes as a proxy then it's no good to me.

Guess it's no good to you then huh?

What is it with Apple customers and their (sigh, I guess our) incessant whining?