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Jan 17, 2008, 02:29 AM
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After dropping hints at the launch of a new Mac product in the days before the keynote, Garmin announced the release of Project Bobcat version 2.0.0.0 (http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3886) The beta software allows Mac users to interface with their existing Garmin GPS devices.

- Bobcat allows you to transfer waypoints, tracks, and routes between your Mac and Garmin device and manage your data using your Garmin maps.
- Bobcat provides the ability to search for points of interest from the convenience of your Mac and then send the locations to your Garmin GPS.
- Bobcat also serves as a backup tool for your Garmin GPS. You can receive all your waypoints, routes, and tracks from your GPS and Bobcat will save them automatically.
- MapManager copies maps and unlock codes into the right place to be accessible by Bobcat and MapInstall.




Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/17/garmin-releases-bobcat-software-for-mac-os-x/)

LimeiBook86
Jan 17, 2008, 04:39 AM
This is fantastic news for any Garmin user with a Mac. Up until now it's been a pain for Mac users to even use their Garmin devices, hopefully this will change all of that. :D

Although personally www.garmin.com/mac should lead to their Mac software section, which is pretty difficult to find as it is just scattered with all their other software. As of now it leads to a lame 404 page. I sent them an e-mail about it months ago, and they said they'll pass it along. Let's hope they do! (A few more of the same e-mails may help too) :)

Dugg!

John Purple
Jan 17, 2008, 05:05 AM
Does this work with sea maps (for sailing?).

RevToTheRedline
Jan 17, 2008, 05:55 AM
I've been waiting for this for a long time, Garmin rox! And one more thing to convince my dad to buy himself a Mac Mini and leave windows with no regrets! (Yeah I've shown him Parallels and Bootcamp Windows XP and that still doesn't give him enough incentive to switch)

It's too bad this is a preview built (hopefully the final version will not cost money) so not everything works. The "find address" feature doesn't work so it makes it near useless for me.

RevToTheRedline
Jan 17, 2008, 06:00 AM
Does this work with sea maps (for sailing?).

It works for any Garmin map set as long as you have the CD. I just converted, City Navigator North America V8, and Topo maps.

What this does is basically converts a Windows map CD/DVDs to work with Mac, and the 25MB Bobcat software is the front end for OSX.

Maui19
Jan 17, 2008, 07:14 AM
Wow the Garmin site is LAME. Go to Garmin.com and do a search for "Bobcat" and you get...nothing! Good thing Macrumors provided a thread. BTW, the documentation says that an Intel processor is required. Rats.

jaknudsen
Jan 17, 2008, 07:19 AM
Wow the Garmin site is LAME. Go to Garmin.com and do a search for "Bobcat" and you get...nothing! Good thing Macrumors provided a thread. BTW, the documentation says that an Intel processor is required. Rats.

* Bobcat allows you to transfer waypoints, tracks, and routes between your Mac and Garmin device and manage your data using your Garmin maps.
* Bobcat provides the ability to search for points of interest from the convenience of your Mac and then send the locations to your Garmin GPS.
* Bobcat also serves as a backup tool for your Garmin GPS. You can receive all your waypoints, routes, and tracks from your GPS and Bobcat will save them automatically.
* MapManager copies maps and unlock codes into the right place to be accessible by Bobcat and MapInstall. To migrate the maps from your Windows PC, download MapConverter onto your PC and follow the instructions.
* Download and install MapConverter for Windows to convert your unlocked PC maps for use on your Mac. For more information please read this document. (PDF file- 245KB)
* System Requirements:
Intel-based or PowerPC G3 or later Mac
OS 10.4 or later
512 MB RAM
USB port
* Please email us if you experience any issues at mac.bobcat@garmin.com.
* Although this software is believed to be reliable, it has not yet been released for production and should be used at your own risk.

bigandy
Jan 17, 2008, 07:24 AM
I'm loving this, especially the ability to use nautical mapping. :D

Sailing + Macs, what a combo :D

Orng
Jan 17, 2008, 07:57 AM
Finally I can get some use out of that thing.
No Mac support has made the GPS closed and useless. I can't wait to be able to upload maps and routes and waypoints.

I know I had a whole bunch of reasons for wanting to be able to do this. Just because I can't remember them right now doesn't mean they aren't valid! :)

I'll put new batteries in it and see if I can remember.

tarkeybear
Jan 17, 2008, 08:24 AM
I have a couple hand held Garmin devices and was excited a couple years ago when Garmin announced that they would be releasing software for the Mac.

Almost 2 years went by with nothing but vapor.
I was really looking forward to buying the Nuvii, but decided to go with TomTom, becuase TomTom had a Mac software interface (its half baked, but at least they had a deliverable).

I will have to upload my old Mapsource North America disc into "Bobcat" and see how this works on my Garmin devices. If it works well, I can delete my bootcamp partition that I have kept alive for the old kludgey Garmin PC software, so that I could upload maps to, and download waypoints from my Garmin handheld (hiking-style) GPS.

I guess Garmin couldn't ignore the growing Mac market share and the whiny Mac users that come with it! ;-)

dejo
Jan 17, 2008, 08:45 AM
So, what does Bobcat have that I wouldn't find in their MapSource Trip & Waypoint software?

theboyk
Jan 17, 2008, 08:50 AM
First off, for anyone looking for advice on buying a GPS, especially if you're a Mac user, as a long time user of both Garmin and Macs, DO NOT BUY A GARMIN GPS! For the last two years they've been roping in Mac users with the promise of their software and hardware being Mac-compatible. Two years later, until yesterday, we were STILL waiting (well, they released a couple useless Mac betas [POI loader, Web updater - neither of which worked]) even though they set their target for Mac-compatibility to the end of 2006. I highly suggest looking elsewhere for you GPS needs. TomTom have some really nice units and some really nice Mac-based software for using them.

That being said, let's talk about Bobcat. For those who don't know anything about Garmin GPS systems, to utilize your GPS and your maps, you need to use the Garmin software "MapSource". Unfortunately, MapSource is a PC-only application. For years I had to use GuestPC (as Virtual PC didn't support the Garmin devices because of bad USB drivers) to use this software on PPC-based Macs. It was very slow, you could only use older versions of it, but it worked enough to at least be able to use the GPS.

Then along came Intel-based Macs. Things got better because you could run Parallels (or other VM software), but even then it was "unsupported" by Garmin and very prone to crashing and general instabilities (which I personally feel is just the way their software is having seen the same things happen on native Windows PCs).

So I, along with many Mac users have been waiting and waiting for Mac support! Again, in very early 2006 Garmin announced Mac support was coming and MapSource would be Mac-ready by end of the year. The end of 2006 came and went. Nothing. 2007 came and went. Nothing. Finally, early 2008, two years later, Garmin post on their blog about "Bobcat" coming, but no solid information.

Well, "Bobcat" has now come...and gone. Anyone familiar with Garmin/MapSource and finally being able to run it on a Mac must be very disappointed in what "Bobcat" was. I know I was/am. It's one little tiny piece of what MapSource is. Basically, it allows you to mark waypoints, view/store tracks & routes (and possibly make routes?). You can't transfer maps from within the program (to transfer maps on the Mac, you have to go through a very unstable 2+ hour process to convert your PC maps to Mac maps, then use other programs to load them onto your GPS). Anyone who's used MapSource must know how frustrating this would be because you want to be able to use the same program you manage your watpoints, tracks, routes, etc. to manage your maps (as you want to select your maps based on your waypoints, tracks, routes, etc.). Having to go through numerous different applications just doesn't work. Why Garmin decided to go in this direction, I have no idea? And why, after so long in development, "Bobcat" (which again, is only a fraction of what MapSource is) comes out, and comes out in a very unstable (and pretty much unusable) beta, well, it's a complete let down. In my opinion, there's absolutely no point in using this software on a Mac if you have access to the PC applications (whether that be a "true" windows Machine, or a VM machines - either way, you're better off than running this Mac software). The only people I can see benefiting from this Mac release are people with Macs that can't run any sort of Windows. And even then, it's still kinda useless because you can't use your maps as you NEED a PC to convert them for use on the Mac (why Garmin couldn't just write the Mac software to read the PC maps, I have no idea).

Anyway, long story short, don't waste your money on a Garmin GPS if you're a Mac user (or, in my opinion, a PC user). Garmin make some nice systems, but their software is terrible (and their maps are overpriced, but that's another story). If you're looking for a GPS system, as a long time Garmin user, I suggest looking at other makers. Garmin has become the Quark of the GPS industry. Like Quark, they had a stronghold on the industry, then others joined in the game and blew them away. As someone recently posted on another blog, for a GPS maker, Garmin is LOST.

Regards,
k.

liketom
Jan 17, 2008, 09:07 AM
i'm liking the software - for what i bought my garmin for it's great,

for you cyclist's out there in the UK halfords has the Garmin 205 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_369413_langId_-1_CarSelectorCatalogId__CarSelectorGroupId__varient__categoryId_90908_crumb_84370-90906_parentcategoryrn_90908) for £89.99
and the Garmin 305 (http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_369467_langId_-1_CarSelectorCatalogId__CarSelectorGroupId__varient__categoryId_90908_crumb_84370-90906_parentcategoryrn_90908) for £139.99.

which is all great but remember the new stuff from garmin will be here soon:p

Great app, great device that works with my mac:cool:

But i also say if you have one of these , then upgrade to google earth plus as it works on the mapping side very well -

There online website Motionbased (http://www.motionbased.com/) also works well with Mac's not all the feature but most of it , not really sure why Theboyk thinks the mac support is so rubbish - maybe before but not now IMO

jegeorge
Jan 17, 2008, 10:56 AM
Unfortunately, I've been unable to get any of the serial to USB cable/converters to work on Leopard, and the one Garmin sells is not
Mac compatible and has only Windows drivers. I know of no way to hook any of the "serial" Garmin devices to a Mac!

iwood
Jan 17, 2008, 11:23 AM
nice info but what do you recommend we use for us mac users? (instead of garmin?)


First off, for anyone looking for advice on buying a GPS, especially if you're a Mac user, as a long time user of both Garmin and Macs, DO NOT BUY A GARMIN GPS! For the last two years they've been roping in Mac users with the promise of their software and hardware being Mac-compatible. Two years later, until yesterday, we were STILL waiting (well, they released a couple useless Mac betas [POI loader, Web updater - neither of which worked]) even though they set their target for Mac-compatibility to the end of 2006. I highly suggest looking elsewhere for you GPS needs. TomTom have some really nice units and some really nice Mac-based software for using them.

That being said, let's talk about Bobcat. For those who don't know anything about Garmin GPS systems, to utilize your GPS and your maps, you need to use the Garmin software "MapSource". Unfortunately, MapSource is a PC-only application. For years I had to use GuestPC (as Virtual PC didn't support the Garmin devices because of bad USB drivers) to use this software on PPC-based Macs. It was very slow, you could only use older versions of it, but it worked enough to at least be able to use the GPS.

Then along came Intel-based Macs. Things got better because you could run Parallels (or other VM software), but even then it was "unsupported" by Garmin and very prone to crashing and general instabilities (which I personally feel is just the way their software is having seen the same things happen on native Windows PCs).

So I, along with many Mac users have been waiting and waiting for Mac support! Again, in very early 2006 Garmin announced Mac support was coming and MapSource would be Mac-ready by end of the year. The end of 2006 came and went. Nothing. 2007 came and went. Nothing. Finally, early 2008, two years later, Garmin post on their blog about "Bobcat" coming, but no solid information.

Well, "Bobcat" has now come...and gone. Anyone familiar with Garmin/MapSource and finally being able to run it on a Mac must be very disappointed in what "Bobcat" was. I know I was/am. It's one little tiny piece of what MapSource is. Basically, it allows you to mark waypoints, view/store tracks & routes (and possibly make routes?). You can't transfer maps from within the program (to transfer maps on the Mac, you have to go through a very unstable 2+ hour process to convert your PC maps to Mac maps, then use other programs to load them onto your GPS). Anyone who's used MapSource must know how frustrating this would be because you want to be able to use the same program you manage your watpoints, tracks, routes, etc. to manage your maps (as you want to select your maps based on your waypoints, tracks, routes, etc.). Having to go through numerous different applications just doesn't work. Why Garmin decided to go in this direction, I have no idea? And why, after so long in development, "Bobcat" (which again, is only a fraction of what MapSource is) comes out, and comes out in a very unstable (and pretty much unusable) beta, well, it's a complete let down. In my opinion, there's absolutely no point in using this software on a Mac if you have access to the PC applications (whether that be a "true" windows Machine, or a VM machines - either way, you're better off than running this Mac software). The only people I can see benefiting from this Mac release are people with Macs that can't run any sort of Windows. And even then, it's still kinda useless because you can't use your maps as you NEED a PC to convert them for use on the Mac (why Garmin couldn't just write the Mac software to read the PC maps, I have no idea).

Anyway, long story short, don't waste your money on a Garmin GPS if you're a Mac user (or, in my opinion, a PC user). Garmin make some nice systems, but their software is terrible (and their maps are overpriced, but that's another story). If you're looking for a GPS system, as a long time Garmin user, I suggest looking at other makers. Garmin has become the Quark of the GPS industry. Like Quark, they had a stronghold on the industry, then others joined in the game and blew them away. As someone recently posted on another blog, for a GPS maker, Garmin is LOST.

Regards,
k.

johncallen
Jan 17, 2008, 12:25 PM
Hey Garmin...too little, too late.

Sondergaard
Jan 17, 2008, 12:58 PM
Dunno what the fuss is about. I've been using MacGPS Pro with PPC (and more recently Intel) architecture for over 5 years. Mine is a professional marine application in a more or less featureless area of the Beaufort Sea, so my primary use is as a science nav display for the vessel captain and as a means of backing up and manipulating waypoints, routes and tracks. I use a (now old) Garmin GPS 12 Map and a Keyspan USB/Serial adapter and the whole setup does exactly what I need.

MacGPS Pro also has extensive support for viewing waypoints/routes/tracks on top of maps and charts, and for the newer USB-based Garmin units, but that's not my usage profile so I can't really comment there.

Snide
Jan 17, 2008, 01:07 PM
I checked out the new Colorado units at Macworld, and they are pretty sweet.
I am still using my GPS-III (not III+) from 1997. I've always liked Garmin,
but the software situation is inexcusable. I was at MWSF '06, and was given the
End of Year™ story. Can anyone recommend a good handheld that compares
to the Colorado units?

Lord Blackadder
Jan 17, 2008, 01:13 PM
I recieved a TomTom for Christmas and it's *****. Mine had a hardware problem where it would hang on bootup 90% of the time. Calls to technical support were choked with post-Christmas traffic (maybe with the same issue?) and they failed to solve the problem. I returned the unit.

Can anyone suggest a good Mac-friendly GPS?

Dinski
Jan 17, 2008, 03:18 PM
nice info but what do you recommend we use for us mac users? (instead of garmin?)

I have been using LoadMyTracks (http://www.cluetrust.com/LoadMyTracks.html) which is FREE and incredibly simple, to get my GPS data into Google Earth (http://earth.google.com/), also free. KML files can also be uploaded to Google maps and shared across the web as well (Such as on MapyRide.com) I use this method to share my mountain and road bike routes with friends. I have not tried uploading information to my GPS in this way, but it seems to be supported.

Garmin has essentially offered nothing that hasn't already been offered for free for quite some time.

Sabon
Jan 17, 2008, 04:21 PM
I had a problem with my Garmin unit (fixed under warranty). When I called I got escalated up and talked to a hardware guy that knows several of the software people working on the Mac version. Sorry but I don't have a live link with this guy.

About a year before Apple went from PowerPCs to Intel, Garmin started a small group of people working on a Mac version and apparently had it way past this version but there was still a long ways to go to get to MapSource level.

Then they found out about Apple changing to intel so they shelved what they were working on until Intel Macs came out and started working on it again once they knew Macs were going to have Rosetta.

Then they found out that Rosetta doesn't work that good with hardware.

So they restarted again from almost scratch because it was different enough on code (I think they started out with Code Warrior so they had to learn Coacoa or whatever the new programming interface is for Apple) that they pretty much had to learn that and start from scratch.

Now they are finally back to where they feel comfortable releasing a beta. No it's not like MapSource. But then it isn't even their first "official" release. It is a Beta and they know it isn't where they or we want it.

I'm not apologizing for Garmin. BELIEVE me I'm not. I started bugging them back in 1998 about getting a Mac version. At that time they thought Apple wasn't going bankrupt. Obviously that changed and once they were sure of that they started working on a Mac version and then all these changes...

RevToTheRedline
Jan 17, 2008, 04:46 PM
I recieved a TomTom for Christmas and it's *****. Mine had a hardware problem where it would hang on bootup 90% of the time. Calls to technical support were choked with post-Christmas traffic (maybe with the same issue?) and they failed to solve the problem. I returned the unit.

Can anyone suggest a good Mac-friendly GPS?

I don't think there really is a true mac friendly GPS company, Lowrance, Magellan, Garmin, TomTom, none really offer a true Mac solution yet, of course we know Garmin is getting there.

GPS + Mac = SOL

Sondergaard
Jan 17, 2008, 05:20 PM
GPS + Mac = SOL

Maybe so, if you don't want to spring for the third-party software I mentioned in an earlier post. But with that software I've been using GPS + Mac for years and I am not SOL :p

IzzyJG99
Jan 17, 2008, 07:04 PM
I hope the final release has satellite/hiking/road map support so you can look at a detailed map and make your own tracks. There are other apps out there that do that, but they're just crap and never work right.

Also...this Bobcat preview is FULL of bugs. Puts waypoints up to 5 miles off course on the GPS. Need I remind everyone that Garmin STILL is 4 years (They said in 2004 they'd have all Mac software) behind with their support for Macs.

Parsa
Jan 18, 2008, 04:00 PM
As was stated by Rev, none of the companies has been courting Mac users. In fact, Garmin is the only company to even say they are, and the only one to develop any software for macintosh.

Bobcat is not mapping software.
You still have to make maps on a PC. However, the Garmin OS X web site (http://www8.garmin.com/macosx/) states the following:
"We're pleased to announce that Garmin will be releasing all of our new map products in native Mac format, starting with City Navigator North America 2008 and City Navigator Europe 2008."

Yes, it's been over two years since they declared Mac support. However, they are at least doing something.

Magellan just went backwards with their new Triton series. The new units require a PC software app to do everything now. Previously, you only needed the PC to make the map files. The map files, the POI files and the Geocache files were all simple text files, so you could easily put them onto your Mac, then onto your SD card. You can't do that anymore. :mad: Even the PC users are not happy that waypoint files can no longer be dragged onto an SD card with a card reader.

I was always hoping for an Apple GPS receiver though. :rolleyes:

Parsa

chickenlegs
Jan 31, 2008, 07:53 AM
:mad:Well, what a disappointment. Having spent hours converting my windows based maps and transferring them to my new iMac and installing Bobcat, I have quickly become disillusioned with the new Garmin software. I have had to revert to my windows pc to create routes and waypoints and upload them to my StreetPilot 2610. Bobcat frequently crashes and I have lost track of the number of error reports that I have sent to Garmin following crashes and freezes. Come on Garmin, please try harder to provide Mac based software that WORKS.

Mindflux
Jan 31, 2008, 09:03 AM
I have a Garmin Nuvi 260 I got for my Birthday. I'd like to convert the North American NT 2008 maps and use Bobcat, but this Garmin didn't come with a CD? I can get the map off of the unit, can I still convert it and use bobcat?

sunfast
Jan 31, 2008, 11:36 AM
Does this work with sea maps (for sailing?).

I'm loving this, especially the ability to use nautical mapping. :D

Sailing + Macs, what a combo :D

Anybody interested in nautical charts on macs (and gps interfacing) would be quite interested in PassagePlus (http://www.windvector.com/passageplus/overview.html). I've played with the demo quite a bit and it's brilliant. Going to buy it soon I think.

This looks very interesting anyway. At the moment I've been using a combination of LoadMyTracks (http://www.cluetrust.com/LoadMyTracks.html) and GPS Results (http://www.gpsresults.com/download_e.html) for my GPS stuff. Can't wait to try this :)

jegeorge
Feb 3, 2008, 10:42 AM
Garmin's own USB-Serial cable is not supported on Macintosh for the Bobcat software, KeySpan and others also are not supported, and according to Garmin's tech support, they will NEVER support any of the USB-Serial converters on Macintosh. THUS FOR MACINTOSH, BOBCAT AND FUTURE GARMIN SOFTWARE WILL ONLY SUPPORT USB!!!

Thus if you have any of the Garmin devices with only serial connections, keep your Windows computer or load Windows onto your Macintosh!!!

I've written the officers of the company, but it appears they are devoting their efforts to the cell phone options.....

Sondergaard
Feb 4, 2008, 09:10 AM
Thus if you have any of the Garmin devices with only serial connections, keep your Windows computer or load Windows onto your Macintosh!!!As I posted twice before in this thread, I have a Garmin GPS 12 Map, serial only, connected via Keyspan USB/Serial adapter to an Intel Mac. Professional application. Works great, has for over five years. I am not SOL. I did not load Windows.

Do a Google search on "mac garmin gps" and click on the first link. How hard is that?

Sabon
Feb 11, 2008, 06:08 PM
As I posted twice before in this thread, I have a Garmin GPS 12 Map, serial only, connected via Keyspan USB/Serial adapter to an Intel Mac. Professional application. Works great, has for over five years. I am not SOL. I did not load Windows.

Do a Google search on "mac garmin gps" and click on the first link. How hard is that?

Some people absolutely hate reality.

Kwill
Apr 16, 2008, 01:15 AM
As of March 13, the beta is up to version 2.0.0.3.

I am reading what Bobcat is supposed to do but am still a bit confused. Perhaps someone using it or Garmin GPS can elucidate.


Maps and POI are already in the Garmin GPS. Why is there a need to install more maps? Is this only for updates from outdated software?
Could "waypoints" be contacts within my Mac Address Book? (Asking too much for beta?)
Without Bobcat, can new locations or "waypoints" be added by typing directly into the GPS?


Thanks. I'll be traveling about 700 miles within the next few days and a GPS device could prove helpful.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=468989

jackc
Apr 16, 2008, 06:50 AM
As of March 13, the beta is up to version 2.0.0.3.

I am reading what Bobcat is supposed to do but am still a bit confused. Perhaps someone using it or Garmin GPS can elucidate.


Maps and POI are already in the Garmin GPS. Why is there a need to install more maps? Is this only for updates from outdated software?
Could "waypoints" be contacts within my Mac Address Book? (Asking too much for beta?)
Without Bobcat, can new locations or "waypoints" be added by typing directly into the GPS?


Thanks. I'll be traveling about 700 miles within the next few days and a GPS device could prove helpful.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=468989

I recently bought a Garmin GPS, it is completely self-contained without the software, I haven't even tried to mess with it yet, it looks like it's still a work in progress. You can type in locations on the GPS and add them to your favorites. I doubt it could integrate with Address Book.

RaceTripper
Apr 16, 2008, 07:01 AM
Bobcat by itself only has a base map. If you want the finer detail map, like that in the Garmin, you need to install it. I was able to get a backup DVD of the maps from Garmin for $15. It was the Window version (Mac version was not yet available). Once I installed in on Windows I was able to use MacConvertor to convert it for use in Bobcat. It was relatively painless to do.

It does not integrate with address book, although my Nuvi 760 does access my iPhone phone book when paired.

I can add waypoints to my Nuvi 760 directly. Bobcat is not necessary to use a Garmin effectively.

Kwill
Apr 16, 2008, 09:32 AM
Bobcat by itself only has a base map. If you want the finer detail map, like that in the Garmin, you need to install it... I can add waypoints to my Nuvi 760 directly. Bobcat is not necessary to use a Garmin effectively.

Good to hear Bobcat is not absolutely necessary. However, what you bring up is what's confusing me.
Why would one install finer detail maps if they already exist in the Garmin?

RaceTripper
Apr 16, 2008, 09:38 AM
Good to hear Bobcat is not absolutely necessary. However, what you bring up is what's confusing me.
Why would one install finer detail maps if they already exist in the Garmin?So you can use your Mac to plan, reviews, trips, etc. on something bigger than a 4" screen.

Bobcat is not a finished product. I plan/anticipate being able to use it to change/deviate computed routes.

jackc
Apr 16, 2008, 10:01 AM
Bobcat by itself only has a base map. If you want the finer detail map, like that in the Garmin, you need to install it. I was able to get a backup DVD of the maps from Garmin for $15. It was the Window version (Mac version was not yet available). Once I installed in on Windows I was able to use MacConvertor to convert it for use in Bobcat. It was relatively painless to do.

It does not integrate with address book, although my Nuvi 760 does access my iPhone phone book when paired.

I can add waypoints to my Nuvi 760 directly. Bobcat is not necessary to use a Garmin effectively.

I thought if you plug in your Garmin, it would upload/unlock the maps on Bobcat. Is that not correct? I haven't tried it yet because I need to buy a USB cable.

RaceTripper
Apr 16, 2008, 10:22 AM
I thought if you plug in your Garmin, it would upload/unlock the maps on Bobcat. Is that not correct? I haven't tried it yet because I need to buy a USB cable.It will not. You need to get the map disk from Garmin. Tell them you want the backup maps for your device and they'll send you the DVD for $15. That's what I did (although I got the Windows disk and had to convert the maps).

jackc
Apr 16, 2008, 10:36 AM
It will not. You need to get the map disk from Garmin. Tell them you want the backup maps for your device and they'll send you the DVD for $15. That's what I did (although I got the Windows disk and had to convert the maps).

So even if you wanted to use it in Windows, you'd need to buy a DVD?

RaceTripper
Apr 16, 2008, 10:49 AM
So even if you wanted to use it in Windows, you'd need to buy a DVD?Yes. If you want to use maps on a computer you have to get the disk. You can't just transfer them from a Garmin.

It's only $15. When I called I had it within a couple days.

Edit: the 2009 Maps are due for release this month. You might just wait and do an upgrade disk.

jackc
Apr 16, 2008, 12:25 PM
Thanks for the info, they sure don't make it easy to learn anything about the software (Windows or Mac) on their web site, and there's nothing in the manual.

It sounds like you should be able to "unlock" the data with your unit on their site
https://my.garmin.com/mygarmin/marketing/unlock.htm

And they have this WebUpdater thing, it seems crazy that you'd need to buy a DVD

RaceTripper
Apr 16, 2008, 12:44 PM
It sounds like you should be able to "unlock" the data with your unit on their site
https://my.garmin.com/mygarmin/marketing/unlock.htm
To unlock your disk I said you need to get.

I looked into this when I got my Garmin. I ended at the phone placing an order for my disk.

Kwill
Apr 16, 2008, 10:25 PM
So you can use your Mac to plan, reviews, trips, etc. on something bigger than a 4" screen.

Bobcat is not a finished product. I plan/anticipate being able to use it to change/deviate computed routes.

OK, I have a better understanding now. Something like one might do with Google, Yahoo, or MapQuest, a route might be planned on the computer with points of interest along the way. The "trip" could then be (theoretically if the beta worked) downloaded into the GPS unit. Without the foregoing, point-to-point directions can be obtained.

IJ Reilly
Jun 2, 2008, 05:38 PM
I just downloaded the Bobcat beta for my nüvi 260, and here's what it can do:

Sabon
Jun 2, 2008, 06:35 PM
As of March 13, the beta is up to version 2.0.0.3.

I am reading what Bobcat is supposed to do but am still a bit confused. Perhaps someone using it or Garmin GPS can elucidate.


Maps and POI are already in the Garmin GPS. Why is there a need to install more maps? Is this only for updates from outdated software?
Could "waypoints" be contacts within my Mac Address Book? (Asking too much for beta?)
Without Bobcat, can new locations or "waypoints" be added by typing directly into the GPS?


Thanks. I'll be traveling about 700 miles within the next few days and a GPS device could prove helpful.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=468989

From the Garmin device you can download custom routes and custom way points that you have created to the PC/Mac.

From the PC/Mac you can upload maps (only ones from Garmin) plus routes including custom way points.

To get maps on a Mac you have to get the Map DVDs from Garmin (no other maps from other companies are compatible) and install them on a Windows computer, if you have one. You then run their map converter program and it will convert it into something that Bobcat can read. You then transfer by CD/DVD/network sharing (they are too big to e-mail) to your Mac.

Sabon
Jun 2, 2008, 06:37 PM
I you want to be able to use the Mac address book for way points make sure you let Garmin know that by e-mailing them and calling them. Make sure if you call and get the support desk to tell them to add it to their database for management to see.

If don't know if they actually do anything with a database but hopefully they will get the word passed along.

RaceTripper
Jun 2, 2008, 06:38 PM
From the Garmin device you can download custom routes and custom way points that you have created to the PC/Mac.

From the PC/Mac you can upload maps (only ones from Garmin) plus routes including custom way points.

To get maps on a Mac you have to get the Map DVDs from Garmin (no other maps from other companies are compatible) and install them on a Windows computer, if you have one. You then run their map converter program and it will convert it into something that Bobcat can read. You then transfer by CD/DVD/network sharing (they are too big to e-mail) to your Mac.If you get the latest maps (2009) they install directly to the Mac. You don't need to do the Windows install and conversion anymore.

IJ Reilly
Jun 2, 2008, 11:20 PM
IOW, unless you are prepared to spend more money, the Bobcat software really is as useless as it seems?

Alexpeter
Jun 4, 2008, 06:10 AM
Its great

IJ Reilly
Jun 4, 2008, 10:23 AM
Its great

I don't suppose you plan on enlightening us on precisely why it's so great.

Khryz
Sep 17, 2008, 07:39 PM
BUMP!

I'm looking for a good, reliable and feature-rich GPS system and from all the reviews I've read Garmin is the winner. I'm looking to get the nuvi 760 as that seems to be pretty cheap sold at dealers like Wal-Mart and Amazon compared to the retail price. Has anyone else bought a Garmin and uses it with a Mac that enjoys it? Or are people still recommending we go elsewhere for GPS systems?

chickenlegs
Sep 18, 2008, 03:59 PM
Khryz, I have a fairly old (in GPS years) Garmin StreetPilot 2610 which I use on a motorbike and sometimes in the car. I hated Bobcat to start with as the early versions were very unstable and constantly crashed. I now love it as it has been updated and improved. It works perfectly on my iMac and picks up the GPS via usb without any trouble. I would love to get a more current GPS and would always choose Garmin, but I cannot justify it from a financial point of view as the StreetPilot is perfectly fine for me and when coupled with Bobcat, works flawlessly.
Chris

IJ Reilly
Sep 18, 2008, 04:43 PM
I'm finally getting some use out of the Bobcat software. The unadvertised trick is getting the map update file installed. Only the most recent (2008) map package is Mac compatible and you will probably end up buying it from Garmin. If you don't happen to be entitled to a free update, then it's expensive. Be prepared to fork over -- otherwise, the Bobcat software is utterly useless. Once you get over that hump (by luck only really, since Garmin makes no effort to explain any of this), then you are introduced the few joys of Bobcat. Most of the functions of Bobcat are slow and awkward. Copying points and routes to the GPS should be a clear and straight-forward process, but it isn't. Deleting data you've copied to the GPS is a puzzling matter at best.

BTW, the GPS does not come with a USB cable. Naturally Garmin's accessory cable costs a fortune. But fortunately I stumbled on an excellent and unbelievably inexpensive alternative, which I will be happy to share if anyone wants to know.

The GPS is fine. The software needs work.

RaceTripper
Sep 18, 2008, 08:24 PM
BTW, the GPS does not come with a USB cable. Naturally Garmin's accessory cable costs a fortune. But fortunately I stumbled on an excellent and unbelievably inexpensive alternative, which I will be happy to share if anyone wants to know.

My Nuvi 760 came with a USB cable, but regardless, a regular USB to Mini USB cable (like the ones for the portable hard drives) works just fine. It's not a special cable otherwise.

IJ Reilly
Sep 18, 2008, 11:15 PM
First I've heard that. I don't know if the same is true for the nuvi 260 I bought. I found a guy on the net who makes the cables custom. Sells them for $5.00, post paid.

RaceTripper
Sep 19, 2008, 07:37 AM
First I've heard that. I don't know if the same is true for the nuvi 260 I bought. I found a guy on the net who makes the cables custom. Sells them for $5.00, post paid.I've used a regular mini USB cable that came with my WD portable drive. There really is nothing special about it. But $5 isn't bad to pay for a cable anyway.

IJ Reilly
Sep 19, 2008, 10:26 AM
I've used a regular mini USB cable that came with my WD portable drive. There really is nothing special about it. But $5 isn't bad to pay for a cable anyway.

Actually he sells them "shareware" -- you get to pay whatever you think the cable is worth. You pledge a certain amount through his web site (he recommends $5 but it's up to you), then he mails you the cable with a self-addressed envelope, which you use to mail back your pledge. This guy is an internet hero in my book.

http://www.pfranc.com/Garmin-USB-Cables/

ned
Oct 25, 2008, 02:23 AM
I have just downloaded road trip. the problem is when i connect my gps, roadtrip wont see the gps. has anyone else had this problem

IJ Reilly
Oct 25, 2008, 10:50 AM
Does it mount on the desktop as an external drive?

knucklehead
Nov 3, 2008, 07:32 AM
Here's a good link for any Garmin Mac users:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331421

I've been following this for a while, hoping things might get "easy"...