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Foxer
Jan 17, 2008, 07:15 PM
OK, so I may have jumped the gun and rented a couple titles off iTunes. Is there anyway to get them to my AppleTV now or do I have to wait for the new update? Hope it is released before my rentals expire.



imlucid
Jan 17, 2008, 07:41 PM
OK, so I may have jumped the gun and rented a couple titles off iTunes. Is there anyway to get them to my AppleTV now or do I have to wait for the new update? Hope it is released before my rentals expire.

You have to wait for the update.

Kevin

pedz
Jan 18, 2008, 01:16 PM
Unfortunately I don't think you will ever get them there. For rentals the apple tv is closed off from itunes. if you rent from itunes you cannot transfer to the apple tv and vice versa.

This is how i interpreted it from everything i have read, i would love to find out i am wrong and someone point it out. I don't see any real issue with them at least letting us transfer from itunes to apple tv.

Silver-Fox
Jan 18, 2008, 01:18 PM
i think if you email apple they will give you a couple of free rentals if you tell them you thought you could use it on your :apple:tv straight away

NightStorm
Jan 18, 2008, 01:19 PM
Unfortunately I don't think you will ever get them there. For rentals the apple tv is closed off from itunes. if you rent from itunes you cannot transfer to the apple tv and vice versa.

This is how i interpreted it from everything i have read, i would love to find out i am wrong and someone point it out. I don't see any real issue with them at least letting us transfer from itunes to apple tv.

iTunes Rentals can be transferred to a updated AppleTV (2.0). However, this will not work the other way around.

Scarpad
Jan 18, 2008, 01:21 PM
iTunes Rentals can be transferred to a updated AppleTV (2.0). However, this will not work the other way around.

My understanding is you can only DL the HD Rentals from the Apple TV Box and it will put them on that big, previously unused HD inside the Apple TV. Regular SD Rentals I thought could be put on the ATV.

theBB
Jan 18, 2008, 01:56 PM
According to a Macworld article, you cannot transfer your rentals from computer to AppleTV, only to iPods. Rentals on AppleTV does not get synced back to your computer, either.

Peace
Jan 18, 2008, 02:00 PM
Just don't start to watch them.That way you have the 30-day window.Apple will have released the new Apple TV software before then.

gkarris
Jan 18, 2008, 02:28 PM
According to a Macworld article, you cannot transfer your rentals from computer to AppleTV, only to iPods. Rentals on AppleTV does not get synced back to your computer, either.

Apple says you can sync purchased media back and forth.

They better fix this because people are going to be confused...

What if you buy on :apple:TV, and want to watch it on a laptop a week after purchase?

roland.g
Jan 18, 2008, 02:32 PM
Apple says you can sync purchased media back and forth.

They better fix this because people are going to be confused...

What if you buy on :apple:TV, and want to watch it on a laptop a week after purchase?

I think you can only rent movies through Apple TV, not buy. You can buy music through Apple TV and sync back. But rentals only on Apple TV. Though it doesn't quite make sense, what if you rent it through Apple TV, watch 1/2 on your big screen but need to finish it on your iPhone/iPod or laptop the next day on the way to work or travelling..,,

zedsdead
Jan 18, 2008, 02:33 PM
Apple says you can sync purchased media back and forth.

They better fix this because people are going to be confused...

What if you buy on :apple:TV, and want to watch it on a laptop a week after purchase?

It will not sync back...if purchased on iTunes, it can go anywhere, but if on Apple TV, then the file is stuck (which I feel is VERY stupid).

pedz
Jan 18, 2008, 03:59 PM
Engadget put together a nice grid outlining what you can and cannot do.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/16/itunes-and-apple-tv-rentals-and-purchases-what-you-can-and-can/

I believe it is consistent with what I have read.
CAN:
Rent DVD and HD quality movies on Apple TV
Rent Near DVD quality movies on iTunes for Computer, iPod, iPhone
Transfer purchased movies/TV Shows from computer to Apple TV
Transfer purchased TV Shows from Apple TV to computer (can't tell if you can buy movies on Apple TV, so far looks like no)

CANNOT:
Transfer rental from Apple TV to computer
Transfer rental from computer to Apple TV (though I think they should allow this)
Buy movies on Apple TV (not totally sure about this one)

spencecb
Jan 18, 2008, 04:13 PM
I think you can only rent movies through Apple TV, not buy. You can buy music through Apple TV and sync back. But rentals only on Apple TV. Though it doesn't quite make sense, what if you rent it through Apple TV, watch 1/2 on your big screen but need to finish it on your iPhone/iPod or laptop the next day on the way to work or travelling..,,

This is just not true, according to both Jobs and the CEO of Fox. They both flat out say that people want to have as many options as possible about where to buy and watch their movies. Then they go to say that you can watch rented movies from the :apple:TV on your Mac or PC, current generation iPods and iPhone.

So whomever is saying they can not be transfered is wrong. Jobs said at the beginning when he started about :apple:TV that it no longer requires a computer. He then, immediately says, it will still sync beautifully with your Mac or PC if that is what you want.

Why are people confused?

theBB
Jan 18, 2008, 04:45 PM
So whomever is saying they can not be transfered is wrong. Jobs said at the beginning when he started about :apple:TV that it no longer requires a computer. He then, immediately says, it will still sync beautifully with your Mac or PC if that is what you want.

Why are people confused?
Purchased media gets synced back, not rentals. I don't know why they have this limitation, but according to all of the online sources that I came across this limitation does exist. Where is the confusion?

newboy4128
Jan 18, 2008, 05:12 PM
I also fell into the rental dilemma. We should start a club. :D

iSee
Jan 18, 2008, 05:34 PM
CANNOT:
...
Transfer rental from computer to Apple TV (though I think they should allow this)

This is almost surely wrong.

roland.g
Jan 18, 2008, 05:44 PM
I think the problem they might run into is that if you sync a Movie rental from the :apple:tv to your computer and you have not started watching it, it is too hard for them to maintain the 24 viewing clock when you do start watching it.

ie. if you sync it back and then disconnect your computer from the network and take it with you, theoretically you have 30 days to watch it. If you watch it on your :apple:tv, you could then have it still on your computer for 30 days to watch a second time as long as the 2 don't re-sync to tell eachother what's up. Personally I think they should have gone with a 48 or 72 window. 24 hrs is too short. What if you start a movie one night but can't finish it till a later time the follow evening or even the day after that, then your window is up. You should also have the right to watch it as many times as you want in that time period.

FreeState
Jan 18, 2008, 05:47 PM
There seems to be alot of miss information on this. Yes you can rent a movie in iTunes and transfer it to the AppleTV according to iTunes help file:

The iTunes Store offers movies you can rent. You can play rented movies in iTunes, on your iPod or iPhone, or using Apple TV.

NOTE: If you plan to watch a rented movie using Apple TV, you'll get the best-quality video by renting it using your Apple TV.

To rent movies from the iTunes Store:

In iTunes, click iTunes Store (below Store, on the left side of the iTunes window).

In the iTunes Store, find a movie you want to rent.

Click Rent.

After the movie downloads to your computer, to transfer the rental to an iPod, iPhone, or Apple TV, connect the device, select it in iTunes, click the Movies tab, select the movie, and then click Move.

After you transfer a rental, it is removed from your iTunes library.

A rented movie expires 30 days after you rent it or 24 hours after you begin playing it, whichever comes first. Expired rentals are deleted automatically.

jaw04005
Jan 18, 2008, 09:38 PM
As long as the rental was purchased on your computer using iTunes, you can sync the rental to Apple TV.

If you rent a movie on Apple TV, you cannot sync it back (whether it's SD or HD) to iTunes.

HD rentals are ONLY available using the Apple TV directly.

It's not that complicated.

FreeState
Jan 19, 2008, 12:05 AM
As long as the rental was purchased on your computer using iTunes, you can sync the rental to Apple TV.

If you rent a movie on Apple TV, you cannot sync it back (whether it's SD or HD) to iTunes.

HD rentals are ONLY available using the Apple TV directly.

It's not that complicated.

Nope its not that complicated - however the SD video if rented on AppleTV is higher quality than the SD movies available via iTunes - per Apples help file anyway;). [edit: Im not too sure if they are implying that SD is better quality or that the HD is higher quality - it could be taken either way.]

powerbook911
Jan 19, 2008, 12:52 AM
Nope its not that complicated - however the SD video if rented on AppleTV is higher quality than the SD movies available via iTunes - per Apples help file anyway;). [edit: Im not too sure if they are implying that SD is better quality or that the HD is higher quality - it could be taken either way.]

No, that is TRUE!! The SD rentals on Apple TV are DVD quality!!! 720x480, if widescreen, whereas iTunes is lower quality for widescreen. They aren't giving that quality on iTunes because iPods can't play it.

Very cool though, at least I think! :) DVD quality and HD quality = finally acceptable :)

Of course, it's a little silly in that people (some at least like me) would be willing to purchase DVD or HD quality movies. It was the iTunes quality that we never purchased!

CKtoph
Jan 19, 2008, 06:46 AM
I think the real problem is the lack of freedom iTunes users have in choosing a quality of video. Regardless of using :apple:TV or not, you should be able to choose between a lesser quality video for your iPod/iPhone/etc. or an HD quality video to play on an iMac, MacBook, etc.

Besides, even if Apple only offered an HD quality video that's not meant to be played on an iPod or iPhone, it's not that hard for the user to convert it.

zedsdead
Jan 19, 2008, 06:57 AM
No, that is TRUE!! The SD rentals on Apple TV are DVD quality!!! 720x480, if widescreen, whereas iTunes is lower quality for widescreen. They aren't giving that quality on iTunes because iPods can't play it.

Very cool though, at least I think! :) DVD quality and HD quality = finally acceptable :)

Of course, it's a little silly in that people (some at least like me) would be willing to purchase DVD or HD quality movies. It was the iTunes quality that we never purchased!

This isn't totally true either...try renting Simpsons or Die Hard...the files are 853x432. They are DVD quality. The iPhone and iPod specs have been increased even further than their 720x480 limitation and they now support some sort of Anamorphic setting. The Handbrake people are figuring it out now.

nlivo
Jan 19, 2008, 07:02 AM
I think the real problem is the lack of freedom iTunes users have in choosing a quality of video. Regardless of using :apple:TV or not, you should be able to choose between a lesser quality video for your iPod/iPhone/etc. or an HD quality video to play on an iMac, MacBook, etc.

Besides, even if Apple only offered an HD quality video that's not meant to be played on an iPod or iPhone, it's not that hard for the user to convert it.

I think its quite fair. If you own an appletv you get the luxury of having better quality rentals and purchases. I think its nice. I think it gives people a good incentive to buy an appletv. Plus, you don't need perfect quality if you're watching it on your iPod or computer screen.

pagansoul
Jan 19, 2008, 09:51 AM
My MacPro has a 27inch HDTV as its monitor and I watch plenty of DVDs on it. The monitor is also attached to a DVD Up-converter and TVmax. I do have a larger HDTV in the Media room for my Blu-ray, DVDs and Comcast cable. At this time Apple TV would be a bit redundant but when I get rid of cable TV in 6 months I may think about it. I rented 'Grosse Point Blank' on Wednesday and apple gave me 46 hours to watch, not 24. It may have been a programming error, but it was nice.

NewishMacGuy
Jan 19, 2008, 04:45 PM
There seems to be alot of miss information on this. Yes you can rent a movie in iTunes and transfer it to the AppleTV according to iTunes help file:

This doesn't seem to work...
...yet.

imlucid
Jan 19, 2008, 04:53 PM
This doesn't seem to work...
...yet.

This requires ATV 2.0...

Kevin

esouthern
Jan 19, 2008, 07:25 PM
Steve-O and his shareholders (myself included) are going to be losing big $$$ with millions of 5 & 5.5G Video iPods locked out of the Rentals process.

There is an online petition circulating to ask Apple to rectify this issue with a firmware update for older models at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/ipodrent/petition.html. There's a lot of people pissed about this -- pass it on.

If technological barriers and (speculative) DRM issues are truly not impediments to older video iPods utilizing the iTunes movie rental service - and, indeed, inspection of the purchased and rental videos show that files & codecs are exactly the same -- then Apple has no reason to exclude their millions of current customers for using the service as it was intended.

billabong
Jan 20, 2008, 06:27 PM
I just rented one to find out I can't even transfer it to my AppleTV now... This kinda sucks, can't wait for the update.

notjustjay
Jan 20, 2008, 07:19 PM
So what if I own several Apple TV's? Can I rent on one and transfer to another?

I plan to have a living room TV, and a kitchen TV (and possibly a bedroom TV) and I don't currently plan to subscribe to satellite or cable. With Apple TV's priced cheaper than set-top boxes it would be nice to be able to outfit each location with one, and it would be even nicer if I could start watching a movie in one location and move it to another.

barijazz
Jan 20, 2008, 07:43 PM
The apple t.v. has always acted like an ipod, rented movies can be transfered to ipods, so theoretically you should be able to transfer them to apple tv. Steve said that the update would come in 2 weeks, the rentals last 3 weeks. I think you'll be fine.

barijazz
Jan 20, 2008, 07:45 PM
So what if I own several Apple TV's? Can I rent on one and transfer to another?

I plan to have a living room TV, and a kitchen TV (and possibly a bedroom TV) and I don't currently plan to subscribe to satellite or cable. With Apple TV's priced cheaper than set-top boxes it would be nice to be able to outfit each location with one, and it would be even nicer if I could start watching a movie in one location and move it to another.

If you hooked up the apple tv to panasonic's lifewall..... You wouldn't need 3 tvs. Just one giant super tv wall.:p

imlucid
Jan 20, 2008, 11:16 PM
So what if I own several Apple TV's? Can I rent on one and transfer to another?

No, if you rent on an Apple TV, that rental can't be transfered anywhere and must be watched on that Apple TV.

I plan to have a living room TV, and a kitchen TV (and possibly a bedroom TV) and I don't currently plan to subscribe to satellite or cable. With Apple TV's priced cheaper than set-top boxes it would be nice to be able to outfit each location with one, and it would be even nicer if I could start watching a movie in one location and move it to another.

The only way to do this in your scenario would be to rent the lower quality content on iTunes and transfer it back and forth between ATVs.

Kevin

basherhp2112
Jan 23, 2008, 12:07 AM
OK, so I may have jumped the gun and rented a couple titles off iTunes. Is there anyway to get them to my AppleTV now or do I have to wait for the new update? Hope it is released before my rentals expire.

I have found something interesting in the new iTunes 7.6 I haven't seen reported as of yet.

You can watch movie previews for movies that aren't available for sale or for rent in the Itunes Music Store Version 7.6 (29).

To see these previews open the iTunes Music Store.

Then click on the 'Movies' link under the heading 'iTunes STORE' on the top left.

Then click the 'Browse' button under the heading 'Quick LINKS' on top right.

Pick 'Movie' under the heading 'Charts'.

Then click a Category under the heading 'Genres' like 'Action & Adventure'.

A list of movies will be displayed.

Notice the column titled 'Price'.

Click the Price to sort the movies from Lowest 'Price' to Highest.

You will see many movies in many categories with no price.

You are also able to double-click the movies to see the previews.

Many titles are old, but it looks to me that many movies are on their way.

I have attached a screenshot from the Action & Adventure category for everyone to see.

Check it out and let me know what you think.

Enjoy watching all those Movies Previews, I know I did. :D

P.S. Check out the Movie called 'Ghost in the Invisible Bikini' under the 'Comedy' Genre for a laugh...It's not what you think it is...It's like 'Beach Blanket Bingo'...Funny Stuff

:apple:PEACE...:apple:

amakh007
Jan 25, 2008, 08:44 AM
Rentals don't work on older video Ipods???
I just dowloaded one to my computer to check it out later this week.
Why not???????

ibglowin
Jan 25, 2008, 09:38 AM
Older video iPods (5G) do not have the video out chip that is an extra layer of DRM. If they allowed you to transfer a rental to one of those iPods you could hook up the Video out cable that was sold for it and hook up that cable to a DVD recorder and record that movie straight to DVD. The new Video cable and iPods (classic and Touch) prevent this.

Thus no rentals will transfer to 5G iPods. :cool:

NightStorm
Jan 25, 2008, 09:54 AM
I've also read posts stating that the clock functionality in the older iPods is not robust enough to properly handle the rental timeouts... I have no idea if this is true or not, but figured I'd post it here.

FreeState
Jan 25, 2008, 12:43 PM
You can watch movie previews for movies that aren't available for sale or for rent in the Itunes Music Store Version 7.6 (29).

To see these previews open the iTunes Music Store.

Then click on the 'Movies' link under the heading 'iTunes STORE' on the top left.

Then click the 'Browse' button under the heading 'Quick LINKS' on top right.

Pick 'Movie' under the heading 'Charts'.

Then click a Category under the heading 'Genres' like 'Action & Adventure'.

A list of movies will be displayed.

Notice the column titled 'Price'.

What you are seeing here is movies that are available for both purchase and rental - thats why there is no price (list view of titles is not set up to display titles with more than one price). If you click on the button that says view movie you will go to that movies description page where you will see both prices and a buy and rent button.

Demon
Jan 27, 2008, 09:59 AM
damn i was planning on spending the weekend with an iTunes rental, but after downloading, i realized it won't be streaming to the apple TV any time soon.
Shoot, i thought the update would be ready by now.:mad: