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tuneman07
Jan 18, 2008, 10:12 PM
I have come to the conclusion that the MBA is some sort of tech showcase for Apple- it has to be. No one is talking about it though- anyone else thought this?
Love it or hate it the MBA simply doesn't have mass appeal, Apple cannot be depending on it as a mass seller but it is cool and uses some great engineering. So many people wait for Macworld it seems before buying a computer maybe Apple wanted to head fake people and put out something cool like the MBA that people wont want to buy so they can unload the MB/MBP before updating it? I want a Macbook but this seems like a bad time to buy because it just feels like the line is ready to be upgraded. It seems pretty obvious the MBA at least in its current form, cannot be the next step for apple.



kashik
Jan 18, 2008, 10:20 PM
The cost to create the MBA means it can't be a "head fake." I'm thinking the Air is just the first stepping stone in their future plan. I can't see the Air lasting as long as the MB or MBP line, but I do see a lot of products taking after it and being heavily influenced by the experience Apple will gain with it.

ahaxton
Jan 18, 2008, 10:23 PM
Personally I think the MacBook Air is how Apple envisions the future.
Sales figures will tell us how it appeals to people. I personally think its revolutionary and we will be see a whole lot more things this year from Apple relating to the wireless world.

apachie2k
Jan 18, 2008, 10:24 PM
The cost to create the MBA means it can't be a "head fake." I'm thinking the Air is just the first stepping stone in their future plan. I can't see the Air lasting as long as the MB or MBP line, but I do see a lot of products taking after it and being heavily influenced by the experience Apple will gain with it.

couldn't agree more... it really is what apple see's as the "future"

wildthing1994
Jan 18, 2008, 10:27 PM
Apple, is a leader, if not the leader in new products and introducing, and dropping new technology/products. Other companies wait to see 'what will apple do?' Which is a good thing, but does not lack its risk.

kashik
Jan 18, 2008, 10:29 PM
I personally think its revolutionary

Be careful, you're watering down the meaning of revolutionary when describing the Air.

Apple, is a leader, if not the leader in new products and introducing, and dropping new technology/products. Other companies wait to see 'what will apple do?' Which is a good thing, but does not lack its risk.

I would say Apple is the definition of a wait and see company. They take what has already been done and make it much much better.

richard.mac
Jan 18, 2008, 10:37 PM
i disagree. Apple thinks there is a market for a light, thin mac laptop with no optical drives, SSDs and smaller less powerful CPUs ATM. IMHO the macbook air will not be a popular, bang-for-you-buck notebook until the price of SSDs decreases.

i am interested to see what Apple will do with the air in the future. as the price decreases by time i personally think it will be a very popular notebook

macduke
Jan 18, 2008, 10:55 PM
I'm hoping that this was a stall for the MBP update. I was going to purchase whatever MBP update came out of Macworld, but I guess Apple had different plans. My alternate plan was to go ahead and buy anyway, but that multitouch is so neat, I know they will put that in the next version. I love it on my iPhone and would love it even more on my computer.

This sucks that Apple couldn't get it out for Macworld. The only question now is when would be a good time? I was looking at the Buyer's Guide and it says to wait...product updates soon. The Macbook Air wasn't going to be ready until 2 weeks after it was announced. I think Apple may have prioritized this as there weren't that many exciting things coming out of Macworld compared to last year. There would be no BOOM headline. Just a time capsule, iPhone/touch firmware, movie rentals and an update to the Macbook lines. Without the Air they wouldn't have grabbed as much attention. I'm sure now that the Air has been worked out they are working full bore to update the other Macbook lines.

Looking at past release dates in the early quarters of the year, in descending order we have June, April, January, January, April, January. All fall updates happened in September to November. In 2006, the MBP was updated 3 times, compared to only once in 2007. Given we are beyond January now (unless they pull something crazy), sometime before April seems most likely given the average number of days between updates has passed and their usual product schedule. I predict new MBP for my birthday in March. Here's to hoping...or perhaps dreaming?

tuneman07
Jan 18, 2008, 11:10 PM
I love the idea of getting rid of the opti drive etc... I think a lot of those things are going to be obsolete soon but it would be nice to improve something else as a result. For instance take these things out of the MB/MBP but maybe make it a lot faster, or bigger hard drives, or run cooler, or drop the price. A 600 dollar MB with no opti drive, ethernet, and a few less ports would be great for instance. I just really really REALLY hope the MB/MBP lines are updated soon so I can buy one. I was soooooo blown away when I first saw a MBP in the Apple store by how thin it was I would be so happy with that sleekness that the MBA just seems so over the top and unnecessary. I'm glad to see though that people are rumoring updates soon.

heatmiser
Jan 18, 2008, 11:12 PM
A 600 dollar MB with no opti drive, ethernet, and a few less ports would be great for instance. I just really really REALLY hope the MB/MBP lines are updated soon so I can buy one. .

The Macbook won't be updated until May, most likely. It was just updated in November. Apple's got no reason to mess with their six-month upgrade cycle.

ahaxton
Jan 18, 2008, 11:30 PM
I love the idea of getting rid of the opti drive etc... I think a lot of those things are going to be obsolete soon but it would be nice to improve something else as a result. For instance take these things out of the MB/MBP but maybe make it a lot faster, or bigger hard drives, or run cooler, or drop the price. A 600 dollar MB with no opti drive, ethernet, and a few less ports would be great for instance. I just really really REALLY hope the MB/MBP lines are updated soon so I can buy one. I was soooooo blown away when I first saw a MBP in the Apple store by how thin it was I would be so happy with that sleekness that the MBA just seems so over the top and unnecessary. I'm glad to see though that people are rumoring updates soon.



Isn't computer tech from the very beginning to now, about packing as much as you can into something as small as possible? The MBA is a testament to this. Special chip, motherboard etc.

HLdan
Jan 18, 2008, 11:38 PM
I would say Apple is the definition of a wait and see company. They take what has already been done and make it much much better.

Oh you mean like when Microsoft looked at OS X and then turned out Vista????:rolleyes:

synth3tik
Jan 18, 2008, 11:42 PM
Wow that sounds like an Apple conspiracy.......

HLdan
Jan 18, 2008, 11:45 PM
The Macbook won't be updated until May, most likely. It was just updated in November. Apple's got no reason to mess with their six-month upgrade cycle.

Um, I don't think the 6 month rule should be taken into account anymore. The iMac and Mac Pro were both on a yearly update. I think people here should just buy now and stop with all of this ridiculousness of "I think I should wait, Apple may come out with something new".
Does it honestly matter? The upgrade will be modest at best and to top that off even if you luck out and get the latest and greatest Apple WILL replace your machine.
I have the 2.8 iMac and I love it but it's been out for a few months now and I know Apple will upgrade it and will I care? No, because mine runs really fast and it satisfies my work needs and no upgrade will be so significant that it will really matter.

janitorC7
Jan 18, 2008, 11:52 PM
I think that it has a market in the education market

Thoughts?

meagain
Jan 18, 2008, 11:59 PM
Tuneman - I bet it sells like crazy. Meet me back here 6 months from now.

heatmiser
Jan 19, 2008, 12:00 AM
Um, I don't think the 6 month rule should be taken into account anymore. The iMac and Mac Pro were both on a yearly update. I think people here should just buy now and stop with all of this ridiculousness of "I think I should wait, Apple may come out with something new".
Does it honestly matter? The upgrade will be modest at best and to top that off even if you luck out and get the latest and greatest Apple WILL replace your machine.
I have the 2.8 iMac and I love it but it's been out for a few months now and I know Apple will upgrade it and will I care? No, because mine runs really fast and it satisfies my work needs and no upgrade will be so significant that it will really matter.

Completely agree. While people are waiting, the rest of us are enjoying our computers. Trying to keep up with Apple (or any other tech company) is a losing game, as they're only going to keep releasing newer things. Just buy what you need, when you need, and use it until it no longer suits your needs!

tuneman07
Jan 19, 2008, 12:17 AM
Tuneman - I bet it sells like crazy. Meet me back here 6 months from now.

I don't see this thing selling like crazy at all. It will be interesting to see if it carves out a niche but I seriously doubt it becomes popular at that price. I don't think people are giving the MB/MBP enough credit. These are very thin computers which are very portable. People are already impressed with them -at least I was the first time I saw them a few months ago. How many people have ever handled a MB/MBP for the first time and said "boy this is a great computer but I wish it was thinner"? Add in the fact that the MBA loses some power, and several features and the MB becomes a no brainer over the MBA.

heatmiser
Jan 19, 2008, 12:20 AM
I don't see this thing selling like crazy at all. It will be interesting to see if it carves out a niche but I seriously doubt it becomes popular at that price. I don't think people are giving the MB/MBP enough credit. These are very thin computers which are very portable. People are already impressed with them -at least I was the first time I saw them a few months ago. How many people have ever handled a MB/MBP for the first time and said "boy this is a great computer but I wish it was thinner"? Add in the fact that the MBA loses some power, and several features and the MB becomes a no brainer over the MBA.

Agree with this. Both MB/Ps are already 1" thick, and far sleeker than the average PC laptop. When you've got Mac users calling the MBA overpriced and underpowered the way PC users refer to Macs in general, it strongly suggests this isn't going to appeal to nearly as broad a base of users (Mac or PC) as Apple's other laptops do. If anything, the MBA is a better advertisement for the MB than it ever will be for itself.

ktbubster
Jan 19, 2008, 12:25 AM
The MBA is indeed a breakthrough product for apple, by that I mean that it is what they will use to trickle features and ideas into the macbook pro and macbook lines as things become cheaper and chips become smaller. Sorta like a showcase for the future. Eventually it will dissapear as it integrates with the current lines or change completely depending on new tech and such. It's just really neat and cool... and handy for the on the go person with another computer. Business traveler perhaps. We'll see the trickle down effect as things get cheaper.

Anyway. I think the MBA is more of a feat for INTEL then anything. Full C2D chips at an ultraportable size. THAT is something that other companies are gonna want. The problem with other ultraportables is the 1.3ghz chips.. a 1.6 and 1.8 at that size is pretty impressive and it seems people are forgetting about that when they are complaining about the slower processor power.

This is quite a feat for intel as far as chips go. People should be impressed with that and see what it could mean for the future of the other laptops ... computers in general. :)

LethalWolfe
Jan 19, 2008, 12:45 AM
I think the MBA is the iMac of Apple laptops. The first iMac pretty much made everyone do a "WTF?" 'cause it had no floppy drive (CD-ROM only), no legacy ports (replaced by a pair of USB ports), and was an all in one design. Now in a world that is rapidly going wireless the MBA sheds almost all the cables we are used to seeing. The iMac (which was released in '98 coincidentally) forced users to change their computing habits just like the MBA will, but iMac survived (anyone miss their floppy drive, parallel port or PS/2 connection?) and I think the MBA will too. Will the MBA be as successful as the iMac? Odds are against it, but I think the shift to the computing experience the MBA is made for will happen.


Lethal

Jiddick ExRex
Jan 19, 2008, 01:29 AM
I think the MBA is the iMac of Apple laptops. The first iMac pretty much made everyone do a "WTF?" 'cause it had no floppy drive (CD-ROM only), no legacy ports (replaced by a pair of USB ports), and was an all in one design. Now in a world that is rapidly going wireless the MBA sheds almost all the cables we are used to seeing. The iMac (which was released in '98 coincidentally) forced users to change their computing habits just like the MBA will, but iMac survived (anyone miss their floppy drive, parallel port or PS/2 connection?) and I think the MBA will too. Will the MBA be as successful as the iMac? Odds are against it, but I think the shift to the computing experience the MBA is made for will happen.


Lethal

Interesting points, however flawed: the iMacs of the time was innovative because they contained 'new unsecure technology' such as only USB ports and cd-rom drives. The MBA has nothing of that kind. I would be following you if the MBA had a USB 3.0 making it a LOT more versatile but truth is, the ports it has are downright stripped-down and not a 'bold new unsecure technology move' at all.

I would have loved it if the MBA had a FW800/3200 or an USB 3.0 on the side, making it the ideal companion to what I envisioned a true innovation from Apple, the iMac/ultra portable dock (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/03/apple-creating-imac-like-docking-station/).

ben2umbc
Jan 19, 2008, 01:38 AM
SSDs, LEDs, and THIN .....

The future is here. Yea, maybe its a showcase, but it does have mass appeal. Wait til the commercial runs 3 times during the Super Bowl (ya know, that big football game that a zillion people watch every year). Intel may have developed the specific chip for Apple, but now that they've done it once, they can do it again. Wait a year and see how what is on the market has shifted to mimic the Air, perhaps after Apple has sold 1 million units in the first 3 months or so. And showcase or not, I know you want to go into the Apple store and check it out just like the rest of us.:)

MacsAttack
Jan 19, 2008, 01:46 AM
i disagree. Apple thinks there is a market for a light, thin mac laptop with no optical drives, SSDs and smaller less powerful CPUs ATM.

Perhaps because of all the 12 inch PowerBook users who whine that the MacBook Pro is too big - but the MacBook isn't shiny enough for them. Well - they got what they were asking for...

Now the only question is how long before the MacBook Pro gets restyled to match. Apple didn't do it now because they don't want to distract people from the MBA. Sooner or later though...

LethalWolfe
Jan 19, 2008, 01:56 AM
Interesting points, however flawed: the iMacs of the time was innovative because they contained 'new unsecure technology' such as only USB ports and cd-rom drives. The MBA has nothing of that kind. I would be following you if the MBA had a USB 3.0 making it a LOT more versatile but truth is, the ports it has are downright stripped-down and not a 'bold new unsecure technology move' at all.


The bold move is wireless connectivity as the primary I/O. The MBA is a fully functioning laptop that exists at a time when it doesn't need to be physically connected to anything (except a wall to charge).


Lethal

Jiddick ExRex
Jan 19, 2008, 02:01 AM
The bold move is wireless connectivity as the primary I/O. The MBA is a fully functioning laptop that exists at a time when it doesn't need to be physically connected to anything (except a wall to charge).


Lethal

That is true. Well reasoned :)

Dontdothat317
Jan 19, 2008, 02:07 AM
I think the price of the MBA is not worth what you get. Yeah its small and ultra portable, but jeez.. thats a lot of money.. at least to preorder anyway..

Firefly2002
Jan 19, 2008, 03:23 AM
The first thing I thought when I saw it- well, two things at once, really.

First, "2400c."

Then, "you're ****ing sh*tting me right? 'Macbook Air?" It sounds like a drink. Or a shoe.

Then I saw the "Air" on the laptop. It's a little surreal. It just seems like such a .. cheap name, I guess. I don't know how else to put it.

As for its being revolutionary... are you serious? The original PowerBook G4 debuted nearly seven years ago at 1" thick. . . this is 24% thinner. That's... not a huge leap, given we've gone from using a .25 micron to a .065 micron process... and hardly more than 3x the frequency (although admittedly, with two cores and a transition from 1MB SRAM L2 to 2MB on-chip). The PowerBook had a graphics card, too.

I'd say TAM was revolutionary... or at least, could have been. I suppose it was foreshadowing for the G5 iMac ;)

I'd agree with another poster who said Apple's a wait-and-see company.. they're basically the Romans. They see what's good, then they improve upon it, but unlike the Romans, their PR machine is always in full swing; they pretend they've invented the wheel- not reinvented it. =]

zirkle2007
Jan 19, 2008, 03:35 AM
Perhaps because of all the 12 inch PowerBook users who whine that the MacBook Pro is too big - but the MacBook isn't shiny enough for them. Well - they got what they were asking for...

Now the only question is how long before the MacBook Pro gets restyled to match. Apple didn't do it now because they don't want to distract people from the MBA. Sooner or later though...

I think the only thing with this is that the PowerBook users want a replacement. The Air lacks the video power to do what most users want. The majority of things I saw pre-MWSF favored a smaller MBP. Instead we got a shiny smaller MB. Which is okay, but Apple would sell a lot more if that little guy had some power behind it.

Stridder44
Jan 19, 2008, 03:43 AM
I love the idea of getting rid of the opti drive etc... I think a lot of those things are going to be obsolete soon but it would be nice to improve something else as a result. For instance take these things out of the MB/MBP but maybe make it a lot faster, or bigger hard drives, or run cooler, or drop the price.


If by "soon" you mean like 10 years from now then yes. As longs as software, movies, games, and music are coming out on CD/DVD you can damn well bet that optical discs will be around for a while.

Also the MBP isn't for cutesy little petite designs that are nice and minimal (the MBA). MBPs are supposed to be powerful and, well, pro.

The MBA plays the Wii, eats tofu, and drives a Yaris. The MBP plays PS3/360, eats steak, and drives a BMW/Porsche/Audi.

I can't understand the "minimalists". You pay twice as much and get less than half.

djellison
Jan 19, 2008, 03:45 AM
Apple's got no reason to mess with their six-month upgrade cycle.

Explain the MBP then.

zirkle2007
Jan 19, 2008, 03:46 AM
The MBA plays the Wii, eats tofu, and drives a Yaris. The MBP plays PS3/360, eats steak, and drives a BMW/Porsche/Audi.


I love this! Dead on!

MacsAttack
Jan 19, 2008, 04:31 AM
I think the only thing with this is that the PowerBook users want a replacement.

Apple does and ultra compact that is perfectly adequate for most 12 inch PowerBook users I've ever met. Its called the iPod Touch. I'm just waiting for somebody to do a micro-keyboard that it can be plugged into.

mashoutposse
Jan 19, 2008, 06:27 AM
The MBA plays the Wii, eats tofu, and drives a Yaris. The MBP plays PS3/360, eats steak, and drives a BMW/Porsche/Audi.

I'm an MBP ;)

Catch
Jan 19, 2008, 07:43 AM
I have come to the conclusion that the MBA is some sort of tech showcase for Apple- it has to be. No one is talking about it though- anyone else thought this?

I agree that its a technological showcase, but are you seriously saying that no one is talking about it? This is probably one of Apples most controversial products yet. I can't remember another product that has evoked such love/hate responses on this forum!

Judging by the amount of emails I have received from colleagues whom know I use Macs, I would say allot of people are talking about it...

Regards,

C

zepharus
Jan 19, 2008, 07:45 AM
Personally I think the MacBook Air is how Apple envisions the future.
Sales figures will tell us how it appeals to people. I personally think its revolutionary and we will be see a whole lot more things this year from Apple relating to the wireless world.

It certainly is not revolutionary. I mean c'mon seriously people, revolutionary?!?!

It what way will this change your life that a MB could not? Save all that wear and tear on your arm from carrying a 1lb less? PLEASE WAKE UP.

Catch
Jan 19, 2008, 07:46 AM
Apple does and ultra compact that is perfectly adequate for most 12 inch PowerBook users I've ever met. Its called the iPod Touch. I'm just waiting for somebody to do a micro-keyboard that it can be plugged into.

You cannot be serious?! I am in more shock and awe than even Bush could generate with that statement! :rolleyes:

C

riscy
Jan 19, 2008, 08:00 AM
IMHO it is not enough of an improvement on the MB to persuade current Mac owners to switch but it might tempt some newbies to buy it for the "wow" factor.

Most of the MacHeads here are looking at the specs (which do not compare well to the MB)- the average user is going to walk into the Mac Store and go on looks, and the hype they have heard.

In a year from now the MBA will probably be a very good machine and very popular, but I will stick with my MB for a while yet.

meagain
Jan 19, 2008, 08:49 AM
Why doesn't anyone understand that some don't need a beefy super-powerful laptop?

Take me for instance... I have a 24" iMac. Because of this, I don't need oomph in my laptop. I want to take it outside, sit on the sofa with it on my lap, take it on trips where the TWO POUND difference adds up at every turn, shove it in my bag/luggage where it won't take up any bulk, not burn my legs off.
I have power in my iMac. This will be a secondary computer and with 2 memory, is going to be plenty fast for me.

This is a great secondary computer and further even if the sole computer, is plenty for the average user. I suggest the demographic here isn't representative of who is going to buy this. It does seem those complaining have one computer (mostly MBP), and fail to consider the situations of others. I contend this will sell like crazy and have a problem with blanket statements assuming these buyers are ignorant or just want something pretty. It's a darned nice computer and is going to blow away those in it's same class.

tuneman07
Jan 19, 2008, 11:56 AM
I agree that its a technological showcase, but are you seriously saying that no one is talking about it?
Regards,

C
I just meant I haven't seen many threads on what Apple's goal with the MBA was- people are definitely talking about it but half are saying it sucks compared to the MB and the other half are saying its the best laptop ever and they are going to buy 8 of them. What people aren't talking about so much is that maybe Apple knows this isn't going to sell and maybe it isn't supposed to sell.

Why doesn't anyone understand that some don't need a beefy super-powerful laptop?


Thats what the 1 inch thick MB is for at 700 bucks less.

Catch
Jan 19, 2008, 12:03 PM
What people aren't talking about so much is that maybe Apple knows this isn't going to sell and maybe it isn't supposed to sell.
.

I don't think even a company like Apple could convince their shareholders to produce a product thats not meant to sell. I would have to imagine that your argument is that its a research project designed to filter new technologies through other product lines. Unlikely I would say. I also think Intel would be a little less interested in swinging behind this project if the intention was NOT to sell any product.

If the product sells well or not I guess we will have to wait and see. If they discontinue it due to poor sales, then I for one will be extremely happy I bought it before that happened. :)

Regards,

C

JoeJoe
Jan 19, 2008, 12:10 PM
Wake up folks. The MBA is going to be hot, hot, hot with the women.

My wife and lots of women at work can't stop talking about it. Techies (mostly guys) get all riled up about firewire, optical drives, etc.......the chicks just want something slim and sexy (like they envision themselves). Slip this sucker in your D&B (or whatever is currently hot) and bob's your uncle.

I've never, ever heard as many women talk about a new mac product.

This is going to be a big hit in a "new" market.

trancepriest
Jan 19, 2008, 12:13 PM
I think its a trick.. it is a trick... its a conspiracy... this is obvious... its a part of the tiered approach to marketing. How difficult would it have been to include a firewire port or a mini firewire port? So 3 months from now expect that with some sort of HSDPA solution with AT&T. Heck this thing can't really be called Air without 3G... its a con... a con I tell ya. The fashionistas will get a good 3 months of bragging rights with this thing. Only to then start whining like characters from Les Miserables after their low end status symbol gets diminished when the next model comes out with a price reduction.

Hey I'm getting one for free... but I swear I'll hate every minute of having it. That won't stop me from going to business meetings, coffee shops, libraries and every damn spot I can show it off at and bragging about how great it is and that I don't any more damn features... because of course we all know only poor people need more features.

meagain
Jan 19, 2008, 12:17 PM
I've not used an ethernet jack in 3.5 years.

In my dream, I plan on using my 3g iPhone to wirelessly tether my MBA. :) It can do it now via hack so IMO, my dream is real.

ahaxton
Jan 19, 2008, 12:19 PM
You cannot be serious?! I am in more shock and awe than even Bush could generate with that statement! :rolleyes:

C


You know it's true! Theres more to the MBA than just an ultraportable. Didn't you watch the keynote?

ben2umbc
Jan 19, 2008, 01:48 PM
I think the poster was dead on in commenting about how the MBA will be popular with women. I also think it will be really popular overseas, in Asia for example, where style and electronics seem to be more hand in hand.
I saw a commercial for Tough Books a few hours ago and it became even more clear that the MBA is looking to fill a niche in mobile computing. Its obviously not as capable as many on here would like it to be, but it is a start.

Overall, the face of mobile computing will be changing with SSDs, but obviously those need a lot more time to come down in price. Perhaps in 18mos those will become standard features, and paired with tiny and powerful processors Apples mobile computing line will be vastly different by then. I also believe the time is coming where we will see 24 hour battery life in a battery like the one on MBA.

Stridder44
Jan 19, 2008, 02:22 PM
It certainly is not revolutionary. I mean c'mon seriously people, revolutionary?!?!

It what way will this change your life that a MB could not? Save all that wear and tear on your arm from carrying a 1lb less? PLEASE WAKE UP.


Bawhahaha yes! I know! I love how they complain now about how "big" and "bulky" the MBP is. I mean God forbid they'd have to use the super colossal MacBook.

Seriously, I don't get it. Where is this market that wants the absolute least equipment necessary for it to be considered a "computer"?

No optical drive/ethernet port/any actual useful ports and only 1 USB port? Come on! And now we hear complaints that 13" is too big of a screen? A micro-keyboard that is also separate from the actual computer!? What's wrong with you people?

DavoMrMac
Jan 19, 2008, 03:26 PM
This is a great secondary computer and further even if the sole computer, is plenty for the average user.

Couldn't agree more. The MBA does more than enough for the average user. Most use it for email, surfing, word processing, nothing more... yet the MBA is capable of so much more.

It is by no means underpowered or under-featured. Think of it, Apple has not cut down on things, they have taken out what they think is not needed. They were the first to chop the floppy, and now the first to bin the optical drive. Who knows, in a couple of years we may see an iMac with no optical drive.

I think the MBA is perfectly featured, and aimed at the mobile pro, or as a second computer for a desktop owner. Being very capable though, it will also be bought and happily used as a lot of users' only computer.

kaiwai
Jan 19, 2008, 09:59 PM
couldn't agree more... it really is what apple see's as the "future"

If flash keeps dropping on average at 60% per year (by one analyst) then its only a matter of time before we start to see MacBooks and MacBook Pro's become thinner with less moving parts.

Personally, when I update/upgrade this laptop, it'll be when flash is the standard and the graphics card is that new one Intel is going to release which include some major improvements (4000 series IIRC, I can't remember the code name though).