New Mac OS X 10.5.2 Seed (9C20), Due Friday?

[MacRumors]

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Less than a week after the last release (9C16), Apple has seeded a new version of Mac OS X 10.5.2 to developers today. The latest seed (9C20) lists no known issues. They've also separated the graphics drivers out into a separate update called Leopard Graphics Update, which must be installed after Mac OS X 10.5.2. The latest seeds are only available to registered Apple developers.

Unconfirmed reports indicate that Apple is shooting for a public release this Friday. The new 10.5.2 update contains numerous bug fixes, as well as a few requested features which have been previously detailed (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/21/mac-os-x-10-5-2-optional-translucent-menubar-dvd-cd-sharing/). Some of these include:

- DVD/CD Sharing
- Optional translucent menu bar
- List view in Stacks



Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/22/new-mac-os-x-10-5-2-seed-9c20-due-friday/)

[miketcool]

Start the countdown till the translucent menu bar goes away all together, or is replaced with a hideable version.

[Eidorian]

We're all waiting for this update. I think I'll get my retail disc once they stamp the 10.5.2 or later ones.

[Sky Blue]

I have about a dozen iMacs i'm not rolling out until this is out.

[EagerDragon]

The sooner the better

[John01021988]

This is gonna be cool, can't wait for 10.5.2 (even though I have no issues at all with my mac, which is an upgrade installation.) (knocks on wood)

[lazyrighteye]

Should make for a nice weekend...

[FreeState]

Start the countdown till the translucent menu bar goes away all together, or is replaced with a hideable version.

I like the translucent menu bar - so Im excited those that do not will be able to stop whining about it :D

[Tsurisuto]

I never understood why people dislike the translucent menu bar so much. I for one will be keeping mine the way it is. (But each to their own).

On a further note, Apple can you please hurry up and release 10.5.2 so Delicious Monster can finally release Delicious Library 2!

[DarkFlame]

I'm pretty new with macs, but I'm assuming this is a free update? I was going to order a macbook right now but should this make me wait?

[MrT8064]

is AirPort going to be fixed with this update?

[cvahl]

I'm praying for an iTunes update. 7.6 was the worst update I can remember, iTunes is almost useless since last week

[Techguy172]

I have been waiting for this for soo.... long Please be released on friday that would make my day for sure.

[Sannekita]

Very nice. (if it's true), now i'd like a new MBP to go with it :D

[Tsurisuto]

I'm praying for an iTunes update. 7.6 was the worst update I can remember, iTunes is almost useless since last week

Can I ask why?

[cgray24]

I wonder if the cd/dvd sharing will eventually lead to dvd sharing with AppleTV. That way I can get rid of my DVD player :)

[Tsurisuto]

I'm pretty new with macs, but I'm assuming this is a free update? I was going to order a macbook right now but should this make me wait?

Yes, all updates to Leopard (for current and future Leopard users) will be free.

[Tsurisuto]

I wonder if the cd/dvd sharing will eventually lead to dvd sharing with AppleTV. That way I can get rid of my DVD player :)

That's an excellent idea!

[FreeState]

I'm pretty new with macs, but I'm assuming this is a free update? I was going to order a macbook right now but should this make me wait?

No need to wait - the update is free - as are all point releases of OSX (i.e. you buy 10.5.0 and 10.5.X is free - X being the point).

[Prof.]

Has anyone had any trouble with applications randomly quitting or hanging up? Hopefully this will be fixed with the new update. *crosses fingers*

[excalibur313]

I'm pretty new with macs, but I'm assuming this is a free update? I was going to order a macbook right now but should this make me wait?

Yes it is free. You only pay for the 10.x releases not the 10.5.x ones.

[bommai]

This probably OT, but I just realized something. All of Apple's devices are Leopard based except for Apple TV. It is Tiger based. Does the Apple TV Take 2 use Leopard or is it still Tiger based? I wonder when the software update for that is coming out.

[quigleybc]

Here's what I predict


This new update comes out. I install it. and........


NOTICE NOTHING DIFFERENT AT ALL.

You know, kind of like almost every OS X update from Tiger on....

of course there are differences, but they are so tiny and add up to "no big deal"

I also predict that I will run home, and install it and be excited about if for all of two minutes.

SWEET!

and Safari will NOT BE SNAPPIER>>>>>!!!

[ScifiterX]

I already wish it was Friday.

[mackiwi]

I wonder if the cd/dvd sharing will eventually lead to dvd sharing with AppleTV. That way I can get rid of my DVD player :)


HEY! Thats a great idea!!!! I think you are on to something!

I wonder if Blu-ray dvds could stream over wireless to Apple TV.

Only reason I can see them not doing this is DRM worries by studios and apples desire to push the itunes downloads.

Does the macbook air let you watch DVDs through this feature?

[Peace]

The bitrate required for DVD playback just isn't possible over Wireless connections.

[wavelayer]

I hope this fixes Time Machine. I have yet to get it to work and not freeze my system.

[ghall]

I can't wait. I hope this is accurate, because I'm getting fed up with all the crashes and stuff I'm getting since the updates last week.

[iCeFuSiOn]

I'm glad to see that Apple has listened to their customers who want a choice on the translucent menu bar as well as the stack options, this should prove to be a pretty good update. I don't really care about the change in functionality as I already like Leopard the way it is, but the more bug fixes the better. :)

[Prof.]

I can't wait. I hope this is accurate, because I'm getting fed up with all the crashes and stuff I'm getting since the updates last week.

Me too. Sarari, Mail, iTunes, iChat... they all keep crashing.:mad:

[krye]

Awesome.

I hope that also means Nvidia 8800 drivers too. Isn't that what is causing the 2-3 week lead time on Mac Pro orders?

[mackiwi]

The bitrate required for DVD playback just isn't possible over Wireless connections.

Do you mean just for Bluray or for regular DVDs as well?

[milo]

I never understood why people dislike the translucent menu bar so much.

Readability. Is that really so hard to understand?

[milo]

Awesome.

I hope that also means Nvidia 8800 drivers too. Isn't that what is causing the 2-3 week lead time on Mac Pro orders?

No. The Nvidia issue is firmware on the video card, not drivers.

[QCassidy352]

I've had no problems with leopard so far, but list view in stacks would be nice (I've already killed my translucent menu bar, so that doesn't matter to me anymore, but it sure was annoying in the beginning). :)

[Bern]

Here's what I predict


This new update comes out. I install it. and........


NOTICE NOTHING DIFFERENT AT ALL.

You know, kind of like almost every OS X update from Tiger on....

of course there are differences, but they are so tiny and add up to "no big deal"

I also predict that I will run home, and install it and be excited about if for all of two minutes.

SWEET!

and Safari will NOT BE SNAPPIER>>>>>!!!

Exactly!

Obviously the updates serve a purpose otherwise Apple would never do them, but I think to most of us we'll not notice much change.

BTW I like the translucent menu bar.

[solipsism]

Start the countdown till the translucent menu bar goes away all together, or is replaced with a hideable version.
This new release will let you hide it.
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/01/22/001233-trans.png

I wonder if the cd/dvd sharing will eventually lead to dvd sharing with AppleTV. That way I can get rid of my DVD player :)
This should be possible with a hack on the AppleTV. One to auto-mount the optical drive from your Mac. Another to add Leopard's Front Row (which supports optical media) when one is in the drive. This could be difficult if Apple removed that option from framework on the AppleTV.

The bitrate required for DVD playback just isn't possible over Wireless connections.
DVD will work over 802.11g/n, but Blu-ray won't without heavy caching.

[orthorex]

I hope this fixes Time Machine. I have yet to get it to work and not freeze my system.

I too had major problems with my system freezing with TM and a WD firewire drive. I switched to a Maxtor drive and have not had a problem since. What drive are you using?

[izzle22]

Readability. Is that really so hard to understand?

Yes it is hard to understand. Considering myself and everyone I know who has Leopard have absolutly no problems with the readability of the menu bar. Get glasses instead.:D

[timish]

The bitrate required for DVD playback just isn't possible over Wireless connections.

Somone better tell that to www.slingmedia.com and the thousands of slingbox users out there.

I can stream pretty darn near decent HD to any Mac/PC in my house with a slingbox over my 802.11N network.

Is it TRUE HD? No, but it looks pretty darn nice.

Tim

[Prof.]

Exactly!

Obviously the updates serve a purpose otherwise Apple would never do them, but I think to most of us we'll not notice much change.

BTW I like the translucent menu bar.

I thought that the menu bar was already translucent.:confused:

[solipsism]

Yes it is hard to understand. Considering myself and everyone I know who has Leopard have absolutly no problems with the readability of the menu bar. Get glasses instead.:D

Readability depends on you background image.

[izzle22]

Readability depends on you background image.

Yes I know. I've tried about 50 different background images and still have no problems.

[TheSpaz]

Awesome! I can't wait until Friday now!

[wavelayer]

I too had major problems with my system freezing with TM and a WD firewire drive. I switched to a Maxtor drive and have not had a problem since. What drive are you using?

WD MyBook thingamajig. I guess that must be it! I'll still check it out when the new seed gets released, if not I'll use another drive.

[gkarris]

Question:

So would it be possible to share my PC's DVDRW drive with my Mini (with just a combo drive). I have them both on Ethernet...

Just a thought, sometimes I'm too lazy to pull out my external mobile DVD burner.

[Maccus Aurelius]

I'm surprised no one mentioned optional Dock appearances, considering how much bellyaching there was over it. Personally, I love the new look, though options would be nice for those that don't, obviously. All I really care about right now is my Airport connection. There are no application performance anomalies that I can recall, but I'd like my wireless to be as consistent as it was during Tiger.

[UMHurricanes34]

I'm praying for an iTunes update. 7.6 was the worst update I can remember, iTunes is almost useless since last week

Amen. 7.6 hangs from the simplest things such as the track changing to me even opening the iTunes window...it's ridiculous.

[orthorex]

WD MyBook thingamajig. I guess that must be it! I'll still check it out when the new seed gets released, if not I'll use another drive.

That's exactly what I had. Froze my system every day.

[Cloudsurfer]

Graphics update? I suppose this is for the Nvidia boys among us?

[Maccus Aurelius]

Amen. 7.6 hangs from the simplest things such as the track changing to me even opening the iTunes window...it's ridiculous.

I haven't experienced hangs doing most things, but it DOES, however, hang when attaching art to albums, and especially movies. It's consistent, but irritatingly so.

[grappler]

Please, please, please have time machine support for airdisks (hard drives connected to an airport extreme).

[newyorkguy]

can´t wait to stop that 10.5.1 crap. worst operating system version ever...for me

[Mindflux]

can´t wait to stop that 10.5.1 crap. worst operating system version ever...for me


lolerskates.

[iBug2]

Graphics update? I suppose this is for the Nvidia boys among us?

The graphics update updates all drivers, not just Nvidia8X drivers.

[Kar98]

Has anyone had any trouble with applications randomly quitting or hanging up?

Yes, he snarled.

[ortuno2k]

Going to do a full backup and a clean install once this comes out.
Upgrading to 10.5 on top of Tiger has been somewhat spotty, and although my system doesn't regularly freeze, Finder hangs sometimes and I have to restart it.
I wish they fixed Finder! :cool:

[lukechip]

The bitrate required for DVD playback just isn't possible over Wireless connections.

Really....

8.5 GB = 8500000000 bytes = 68000000000 bits

Play time of a typical movie = 90 mins = 5400 seconds

Bitrate required = 68000000000 bits / 5400 seconds = 12592592 bps = 12592 kbps

802.11n (typical) = 74 Mbit/s = 74000 kbps = 74000000 bps

Therefore, 802.11n should be 5.8 times that required to stream raw DVD data.

802.11g (typical) = 19 Mbbit/s, which should be 1.5 time that required. So it should be OK too.

And I also think this feature would be great. Kudos to cgray24 for thinking of the idea - you should get a job at Apple for such clarity of thinking .

[Concorde Rules]

Is it just me that hasn't had ANY re-occurring problems?

No crashes of Apple Software, and the only kernal panic was when I had three bluetooth devices talking to each other.

Mail/Safari/iTunes all working perfectly...

I don't know what you lot have done to your machines...

[apfhex]

They've also separated the graphics drivers out into a separate update called Leopard Graphics Update, which must be installed after Mac OS X 10.5.2.
This caught my eye. Is the graphics update only installable on 10.5.2? I could see making it separate if they were going to let people with other OS X versions install it too, otherwise what's the point? Unless it's a really big file that they don't want to make everyone have to download? Or are there technical changes in 10.5.2 that must be present before the update can be installed?

[milo]

Yes it is hard to understand. Considering myself and everyone I know who has Leopard have absolutly no problems with the readability of the menu bar. Get glasses instead.:D

Glasses don't help when you have a busy background. Just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean nobody else does.

Yes I know. I've tried about 50 different background images and still have no problems.

So you haven't tried the same ones other people have tried. Just accept it already.

[flyinmac]

I'm pretty new with macs, but I'm assuming this is a free update? I was going to order a macbook right now but should this make me wait?

Yes, it will be a free update.

[SheriffParker]

Sweet! This sounds like its going to be a big one. I've had no problems with my leopard upgrade. Everything works great for me, but I guess things can always be more stable.

[wallaby]

Well, if everything in the OP actually makes it to the update, Apple will have fixed most everything that was keeping me from grabbing Leopard. Add an easy way to fix the dock to be like Tiger's, and we're golden. Now it's just a matter of waiting for Adobe to fix their compatibility issues with Leopard.

[scifiman]

This and every other Leopard update until they fix the Kerberos/Open Directory/Active Directory problems. That is keeping me from deploying Leopard in my Mac Labs. I could care less about translucent/transparent menu bars and other 'stacks' options if I can't manage all the machines I have from my server.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Please Apple give us a fix for this very important problem in the Education/Corporate environment!!! After that you can continue tinkering with the menubar!!!

[brandonchristel]

As an owner of a WD MyBook Pro with fw 800, i can't wait for an update. It wont stay mounted for more than about 20 min over 800, but 400 does just fine.
Also, anyone know if my graphics drivers will be updated on the 8600m? It feels painfully outdated even playing COD2.

[Alrescha]

Is it just me that hasn't had ANY re-occurring problems?

No, it's not just you. I have Leopard on 4 machines, at home and at work, and have no major problems. No app crashes, no hangs with my Western Digital MyBook and Time Machine (this may be because I carefully did not install their software).

My major gripe is with M-Audio, for not updating their drivers in a timely fashion. I wish that open dialogs didn't spin up every drive in my system (I have 4 external enclosures at this point). Ditto for any application that has a 'recent items' history - it seems to want to go out and touch all those things for some reason.

I think these are all minor quibbles, and I hope they get resolved someday. None of them would have kept me from upgrading.

A.

[cal6n]

Has anyone had any trouble with applications randomly quitting or hanging up? Hopefully this will be fixed with the new update. *crosses fingers*

Yeah, this morning I had my iPod vanish from both finder and iTunes. I also had iChat and System Preferences beach-balling until I force quit them. So far, I seem to have solved both issues by re-installing the full download of 10.5.1. Hopefully, 10.5.2 will stabilise my system.

[flyinmac]

Is it just me that hasn't had ANY re-occurring problems?

No crashes of Apple Software, and the only kernal panic was when I had three bluetooth devices talking to each other.

Mail/Safari/iTunes all working perfectly...

I don't know what you lot have done to your machines...


Nope... I haven't had any issues either. But, then I haven't had an issue with the Mac OS since we happily said goodbye to OS 9 and OS 8.x (especially OS 8.x).

OS X has always been stable, reliable, and such for me since 10.0.0 and all the updates between then and now.

I can't remember ever complaining about a stability or crashing problem with any version of OS X or with any update that I ever applied.

Does that mean I'm happy with OS X? Only partly. I still miss many of the OS 9 and OS 8 features that were left out of OS X (like the ability to customize my windows, buttons, and so on as I pleased without special shareware programs that break OS X somehow).

10.5 is no different. Been perfect for me since 10.5.0, and my only complaint is that the interface is still a bit drab and boring looking.

[Siemova]

This new release will let you hide it.
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/01/22/001233-trans.png

He meant hide (similar to the Dock's auto-hide feature), not disable.

As for the update... bring it on. :cool:

[bilbo--baggins]

Has anyone had any trouble with applications randomly quitting or hanging up? Hopefully this will be fixed with the new update. *crosses fingers*

Yes. The other day I came back to find that about 3 applications had all unexpectedly quit together.

[GoodWatch]

I just want one thing. To have a persistent AirDisk on the desktop. That's all folks. Now I have to manually attach it after every restart.

[nerdbert]

This new update comes out. I install it. and........


NOTICE NOTHING DIFFERENT AT ALL.

You know, kind of like almost every OS X update from Tiger on....
I hope it was like any other OSX update, but at least for me and quite a few others this is not the case. For example the driver for atheros wlan crashes under heavy load - when I'm really pushing it I manage to crash my mac in 2 minutes (running "normal" apps). Without any bad intentions it happens at least twice a day. It's quite a pain to use ethernet in order to connect to the internet if you got accustomed to the concept of WLAN. Another aspect is Spaces, which is a good move in concept, but hardly usable compared to what has been available in the OSS area. It works great at first look, but it sucks at performing a normal job like switching between apps with alt+tab. If you have more than one app running per space it's quite likely that Leopard will give you the wrong app in focus when switching back to the space you worked on before. I could rant on about poor smb-configuration on the gui side or Safari locking when accessing certain websites, but those "features" are also in Tiger.


of course there are differences, but they are so tiny and add up to "no big deal"

Depending on what you use it might be no big deal, but some are actually thinking about installing Tiger again. I think this is a new trend in the Apple camp and I'd rather see it vanish sooner than later.

[MattJessop]

Please :apple:, at least do something about the 802.11g wireless dropouts on battery :( It's been a problem since 10.4.10, but 10.5.1 just has made it worse ::/ *prays*

[Welly]

Readability. Is that really so hard to understand?

No readability issues here. Are you using a black background or something?

[Welly]

Please :apple:, at least do something about the 802.11g wireless dropouts on battery :( It's been a problem since 10.4.10, but 10.5.1 just has made it worse ::/ *prays*

I never noticed the problem with 10.4.10 but have really, REALLY had issues with it on Leopard. I was going to downgrade to Tiger but when I heard 10.5.2 is out shortly, I'm going to hold on until then. If that doesn't fix it, my Leopard disks are going back on the shelf and I'm going back to Tiger until at least 10.5.5.

[deathshrub]

The bitrate required for DVD playback just isn't possible over Wireless connections.

You have NO idea what you're talking about.

[nerdbert]

I just want one thing. To have a persistent AirDisk on the desktop. That's all folks. Now I have to manually attach it after every restart.

Same problem with WebDAV, even though it's the same protocol as .Mac. Would be easy to write a script which tries to connect. Running it every 30 seconds would be sufficient, but if that's a solution I could just as well run some other OS or hit http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/blackapple.gif+K in Finder every time. Maybe AirDisk will receive more support...

[Peace]

Do you mean just for Bluray or for regular DVDs as well?

You have NO idea what you're talking about.


I know exactly what I'm talking about unfortunatly I had Blu-Ray on my mind at the time.;)

[Beric]

Please :apple:, at least do something about the 802.11g wireless dropouts on battery :( It's been a problem since 10.4.10, but 10.5.1 just has made it worse ::/ *prays*

I so agree. My Macbook has dropouts like no other. Especially on battery, and even occasionally when it's plugged in. 10.5.2 is supposed to be a fix, but who knows? My wireless even dropped out when I tried to post here about it dropping out. :(

I personally couldn't care less about the translucent menu bar. If you don't like it, get a different desktop and quit the complaining. Us MB and MBP users have a real problem we've been plagued with for months!

[FoxyKaye]

Anyone out there know if they'll be updating iSync and/or adding additional profiles in 10.5.2?

[Mindflux]

I just want one thing. To have a persistent AirDisk on the desktop. That's all folks. Now I have to manually attach it after every restart.


This would be nice. Also after a while the airdisk drive never lists it's contents in finder from the Shares bar, only from the icon on the desktop once it IS mounted.

[basset hound]

I like the translucent menu bar - so Im excited those that do not will be able to stop whining about it :D

I'm with you on that one. It seems to be such a "small" problem that many feel is a "BIG DEAL."

is AirPort going to be fixed with this update?

I sure hope so. I'd live to be able to use a HD attached to my AEBS for Time Machine.

[bluefido]

Me too. Sarari, Mail, iTunes, iChat... they all keep crashing.:mad:

Really? I haven't suffered a crash since I got my MacBook last Thursday. It's honestly been an extremely smooth transition from a Powerbook 12". Leopard is a revelation (compared to Panther). Personally, Safari and Mail alone were worth the price.

Right now, I am still using Microsoft Office X (the generation before 04) using Rosetta. It works fine (actually it's still faster than on my previous laptop). It is there any real reason to get iWork? I've used Keynote before, and it is nice, but I always have to convert my Keynote presentations to PowerPoint anyways because my office is Microsoft/PC dominated.

[dderek26]

WD MyBook thingamajig. I guess that must be it! I'll still check it out when the new seed gets released, if not I'll use another drive.

My WD MyBook was screwed up from the start with Time Machine. No matter what I did, I could not get a complete TM backup. I bought a Maxtor drive and it went right through without a single problem.

[milo]

No readability issues here. Are you using a black background or something?

Busy backgrounds, backgrounds with black at the top, etc. Don't forget that OSX has a feature that randomly rotates backgrounds automatically. Not a good combo with a translucent menu bar.

[aprilfools]

I never hear anyone complaining about the dock in Leopard. The Dock in Leopard is too hard to see if an Application is open or not. In the Tiger Dock you have a little black triangle making it is easy to know if an application is open or not. In Leopard it is too hard to see that little bubble. It is not distinct enough. What was wrong with the Dock in Tiger? I hope 10.5.2 provides an option like the fix for this so called translucent menu bar.

[nerdbert]

You have NO idea what you're talking about.

The DVD standard has a max data rate of around 10.5 Mbit/s, which is around 1.3 MB per second. 802.11b at 11 Mbit is not enough for this and my 54 Mbit 802.11g network rarely reaches one MB per second. The net data rate is below 10.5 Mbit/s in both cases (protocol overhead, error correction, others using the same AP, other stations on the same frequency and marketing buzz accounts to most of the nominal data rate). 802.11n might be in a totally different league, but I don't believe it before I've tested it under real-life conditions. If you don't use MPEG-2 it's a different story, but the industry couldn't justify new media like Bluray or HD-DVD without it, because there would simply be no need for so much storage space...

[Beric]

I never hear anyone complaining about the dock in Leopard. The Dock in Leopard is too hard to see if an Application is open or not. In the Tiger Dock you have a little black triangle making it is easy to know if an application is open or not. In Leopard it is too hard to see that little bubble. It is not distinct enough. What was wrong with the Dock in Tiger? I hope 10.5.2 provides an option like the fix for this so called translucent menu bar.

I actually agree with this. The little black triangles in Tiger may not have looked space-age, but at least they were functional. The "bubbles" in Leopard are very difficult to make out. This should definitely take priority over the menu bar.

[bobt]

Maybe some additional RAW support (Nikon D3/D300) in this update?

[psychofreak]

Hopefully it will bring support for more phones with iSync :)

[jonharris200]

My dream update would fix:

1. Time Machine - can't get it to work despite trying almost everything
2. File icons disappear about half a second after I open the Finder, every time. Files still open, but most file icons are replaced with a very basic white and grey icon with three letters indicating the file type eg TXT XLS DOC etc. Actually, it's not just in the Finder - it's system wide. Anyone else had this?
3. Random application crashes
4. Option to turn off translucent menu bar
5. Option to turn off glass shelf on dock

All that said, I still like Leopard very much! Top feature: Cover flow even works in the Trash!!

[Kar98]

Glow bubbles are fine :)
And if you the transparent menu bar bugs you so much, then maybe use one of the older wallpapers that came with OSX? Or edit them so they have a uniform stripe on top?

[bmcgrath]

I hope this fixes the choppy graphics problems I have been having :(

[HyperZboy]

Graphics update? I suppose this is for the Nvidia boys among us?

If you go to Discussions.apple.com you'll find all kinds of graphics card complaints including ATI Radeon 9600s and X800s, not to mention that almost all Nvidia cards have issues in Leopard too, especially with Powermac G4s.

Hopefully, this Leopard Graphics Update will fix all of these issues.

[Muzzway]

Me too. Sarari, Mail, iTunes, iChat... they all keep crashing.:mad:

Only Safari crashes for me; of course, Safari has always crashed for me, ever since 2003 and Panther when I jumped onto OS X. If anything, though, it seems to crash less in Leopard than it did in 10.3 or 10.4.

Dang it, Safari crashed while I was writing a reply. :mad:






That last bit was a joke.

[milo]

I actually agree with this. The little black triangles in Tiger may not have looked space-age, but at least they were functional. The "bubbles" in Leopard are very difficult to make out. This should definitely take priority over the menu bar.

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2007101815375480

This makes it much better.

And isn't it a bit stupid to worry about the "priority" of fixing the menu bar, when it has been demonstrated that they've already finished that one? It's not like they can go back and find another use for the time (probably a total of about five minutes, since it was just a design decision and not a bug) it took to put in a transparency switch?

[vohdoun]

Graphics update? I suppose this is for the Nvidia boys among us?

I wonder what updates.

I never hear anyone complaining about the dock in Leopard. The Dock in Leopard is too hard to see if an Application is open or not. In the Tiger Dock you have a little black triangle making it is easy to know if an application is open or not. In Leopard it is too hard to see that little bubble. It is not distinct enough. What was wrong with the Dock in Tiger? I hope 10.5.2 provides an option like the fix for this so called translucent menu bar.

Yum.

http://www.maxthemes.com/guistuff/downloads/newdock.png (http://www.maxthemes.com/guistuff/downloads/newdock.zip)

[pyramid6]

Maybe some additional RAW support (Nikon D3/D300) in this update?

That is what I am hoping, but I'm afraid we're going to have to wait fro PMA at the end of the month. :(

P6

[jatkins123]

Yes. The other day I came back to find that about 3 applications had all unexpectedly quit together.

then you realised ninja's did it.

10.5.2 won't fix this at all!

[flyinmac]

then you realised ninja's did it.

10.5.2 won't fix this at all!

No, it wasn't Ninja's. It was George Bush's minions exercising the Patriot Act.

[Daveoc64]

In the case of "I don't like the dock" or "I don't like the translucent menu bar", Apple should offer users the choice.

It's an individual preference.

While I like the translucent menu bar, it looks disgusting when paired with certain colours/patterns.

I don't mind the dock, but I'd welcome some more customisation features - like how they're improving stacks.

[Chris F]

Please please pretty please fix the bittorent related KP in the airport driver on intel macs built in N.

I really really want to go back to using wireless for Azureus.

[Hattig]

The bitrate required for DVD playback just isn't possible over Wireless connections.

Maybe not over 802.11b connections, but 802.11a, 802.11g and 802.11n connections would have no problem unless the connection was poor or saturated, and possibly caching within the AppleTV would help here.

DVD max bitrate is 10.08mbps. That's typically 6-8mbps of video and audio on top. I don't know if the AppleTV can actually decode that high a bitrate to be honest, if it can do 5mbps H.264 I imagine it should be able to do DVD, even in software given it has a 1GHz CPU.

However for streaming High Definition media from BluRay or HD-DVD drives? No way - too much bandwidth required (>40mbps in the specifications), and I somehow think a device that is specced for 5mbps H.264 would have issues with 30mbps H.264 anyway.

[twoodcc]

yeah, looking forward to this update. hopefully it'll happen friday

[dagamer34]

Safari has been crash happy. I hope that will be fixed.

[Foxglove9]

I've never anticipated an OS update as badly as this one! Even though Leopard is fairly solid for me, it looks like a lot of the little annoyances might get fixed this time around.

And a graphic driver update? Oh wow, maybe this will smooth things out for us poor integrated graphic folks.

[ErikAndre]

Graphics update? I suppose this is for the Nvidia boys among us?
I've been telling you all!! I expect the nVidia 8800GT to start shipping around the 29th (still speculation, but read my post in my sig... you'll see)! :D

[madmax_2069]

Glow bubbles are fine :)
And if you the transparent menu bar bugs you so much, then maybe use one of the older wallpapers that came with OSX? Or edit them so they have a uniform stripe on top?

if you have less then perfect eyes then those little light blue bubbles on a light colored background are hard to see.

Apple should have allowed you the option to select a transparent menu bar or not from the get go, one should not have to edit something that Apple should have supplied the option to set, this should not be up to the user to do.

Apple is to closed minded about users maybe wanting their OS to look different then everyone else's, they should have the options to do so without having to resort to editing anything, but Apple has never gave the user the option to do so until 10.5.2 (maybe)

If you go to Discussions.apple.com you'll find all kinds of graphics card complaints including ATI Radeon 9600s and X800s, not to mention that almost all Nvidia cards have issues in Leopard too, especially with Powermac G4s.

Hopefully, this Leopard Graphics Update will fix all of these issues.

so far i haven't had a single issue out of my Geforce2 MX in my Digital audio, and to top it off Leopard is running on a 533mhz DA.

the only real issue i have seen on a AGP G4s is with a flashed Geforce 6x00 7x00 ( 4 - 8 minute boot freeze) and this is a issue with the heat sensor kext file in Leopard. when you remove the kext file it will work fine.

but that dont explain the GFX issues other been having like corrupt video, system lockups, or other video card related issues on intel or PPC systems with ATI or Nvidia video cards.

[nerdbert]

DVD max bitrate is 10.08mbps. That's typically 6-8mbps of video and audio on top. I don't know if the AppleTV can actually decode that high a bitrate to be honest, if it can do 5mbps H.264 I imagine it should be able to do DVD, even in software given it has a 1GHz CPU.

An Intel PIII 650 MHz decoded DVD's and divx 3.1 files just fine. The CPU used in Apple TVs is quite likely capable of displaying several DVDs at once. I just bought the cheapest DVD player I could find (40€) and it plays MPEG-4/AVC just fine (aka H.264). It would really surprise me if it had anything fancy under the hood...


From a technical standpoint there are some wireless solutions which would provide sufficient bandwith for streaming DVDs over the air, but as you said those solutions only work under conditions better than "poor". In my experience wireless performance is usually quite disappointing - I simply don't believe that DVD playback is possible over 802.11g under non-optimal conditions. 54 Mbit gross performance results in less than 10 Mbit net performance in reality...

But even if Apple would consider it an option, it's far more likely they will equip the next generation with DVD or HD drives. If they come up with the wireless solution which was proposed on this thread, people might wonder why they didn't buy a DVD-player in the first place.

[Kar98]

if you have less then perfect eyes then those little light blue bubbles on a light colored background are hard to see.

Hard to imagine people (other than the legally blind) with worse eye sight than mine. :cool:

Apple is to closed minded about users maybe wanting their OS to look different

Well, yeah.

[viggen9]

This and every other Leopard update until they fix the Kerberos/Open Directory/Active Directory problems. That is keeping me from deploying Leopard in my Mac Labs. I could care less about translucent/transparent menu bars and other 'stacks' options if I can't manage all the machines I have from my server.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Please Apple give us a fix for this very important problem in the Education/Corporate environment!!! After that you can continue tinkering with the menubar!!!

I couldn't agree more, and have you seen the horrendous bug in which Software Update Service on 10.5.1 server re-caches ALL the updates every 12 hours. We're talking about 7-10GB of updates being re-downloaded from Apple twice a day....that makes an impact on the network...

[compuguy1088]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3B48b Safari/419.3)

WD MyBook thingamajig. I guess that must be it! I'll still check it out when the new seed gets released, if not I'll use another drive.

My WD MyBook was screwed up from the start with Time Machine. No matter what I did, I could not get a complete TM backup. I bought a Maxtor drive and it went right through without a single problem.

I have a mybook USB hard disk that seems to work fine with time machine. The only real problem with it is that it is sometimes not recognized on boot/resume from sleep. This though happens on windows as well (before I made it a TM disc).

[killerrobot]

I've never anticipated an OS update as badly as this one!

I was going to wait 'til .3 to break Leopard out again since .1 fixed nothing for me, but I guess I might see if .2 likes my MBP.

[bananaquit]

We're all waiting for this update. I think I'll get my retail disc once they stamp the 10.5.2 or later ones.

Sorry if this is an obvious question, but how do we know when the retail disc is updated? I've been waiting to get Leopard, but am wondering if I should wait longer, and if so, whether waiting makes any difference in the long run. Just less hassles out of the gate?

[flyinmac]

Sorry if this is an obvious question, but how do we know when the retail disc is updated? I've been waiting to get Leopard, but am wondering if I should wait longer, and if so, whether waiting makes any difference in the long run. Just less hassles out of the gate?

They usually update the packaging to reflect the updated version.

Here's a picture of my retail box version of Tiger 10.4.3

[PBG4 Dude]

An Intel PIII 650 MHz decoded DVD's and divx 3.1 files just fine. The CPU used in Apple TVs is quite likely capable of displaying several DVDs at once. I just bought the cheapest DVD player I could find (40€) and it plays MPEG-4/AVC just fine (aka H.264). It would really surprise me if it had anything fancy under the hood...

A DVD player certainly wouldn't be anything as fancy as any kind of general purpose CPU such as an x86 chip. It would have a chip dedicated to hardware decoding of DVD CODECs. That's all a DVD player needs to do.

A general purpose CPU is required for the ATV because it's running a full preemptive multitasking OS.

[applefan69]

Reading these posts is getting me to thinking...

You apple fans are difficult to please OR borderline blind.

Im gonna give my opinion on some things i been hearing and i'd love to know why it is that im not having any of these problems?

1) Can't read menu bar dur to transparency... wtf? are you serious? FOR starters the transparency is EXTREMELY subtle, heck i can only tell its transparent when im looking for it.. heres a screenshot, maybe my version of leopard if different?

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=98905&stc=1&d=1201057551

Alright, see that screenshot i took that seconds ago... now your HONESTLY tellin me you cant EASILY read the text on that menu bar? I purposely picked a pictures of history menu cause that one has lots of text.
Please someone tell me what everyones problem is... i HONESTLY don't understand...

2) Blue orbs for indicating when applications are open... well for starters theres a program i downloaded, it allowed me to adjust stuff like the dock color (notice MY dock is black which btw looks amazingly sharp) but anyways i find those blue orbs as easy to see as the triangles were in Tiger.. then again i never had difficulties telling of a program was open...
Do I have enhanced vision over everyone else in the world or something?

3) Issues with programs crashing?... maybe it's cause i have a fairly high end laptop. It's a 2.0Ghz core 2 duo, 2Gb of RAM... maybe that extra ram really helps leopard run well...
ONLY program i've had randomly crash is safari, and that is only when im closing a safari window and that window has flash video running in it, in THIS case, it still only occurs about 1/5 of the time

I hate to sound like one of those Apple fanboys who will defend ANY crap apple throws at us, but... I honestly don't see what the problems are.. leopard has been perfect for me, and considering i USED to use Panther before i got this new laptop Leopard has been a HUGe i mean HUGE step up from panther, i loved OS X panther... and now I have leopard and there isn't words for how much i love leopard.

[killerrobot]

I hate to sound like one of those Apple fanboys who will defend ANY crap apple throws at us, but... I honestly don't see what the problems are.. leopard has been perfect for me

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle...seems like they done fixed dat der leopard thingy majig already. Martha, call dem Apple whipper snappers an' tell 'em deys got no reason to be putting out 10.5.2 since its done fixed already. I done reckon its time ta go milk dem cows na.:rolleyes:

[applefan69]

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle...seems like they done fixed dat der leopard thingy majig already. Martha, call dem Apple whipper snappers an' tell 'em deys got no reason to be putting out 10.5.2 since its done fixed already. I done reckon its time ta go milk dem cows na.:rolleyes:

joke all ya want, but truth is i agree. i see no need for 10.5.2 ... Im perfectly happy with 10.5.1, jeese even 10.5.0 has been good to me

I understand it's not perfect for everyone, and i understand nothing is truly perfect... im just saying my personal experiences have been perfect with the odd hiccup.

Whihc is AMAZING when compared to lets say something like Vista.

[Peace]

Point updates are always a good thing. They bring quirky fixes and ofttimes introduce cool new features.

Good stuff man !

[asencif]

How about a list of bug fixes for 10.5.2 Server? Obviously, the dock is not a priority for the server version. Any word on them fixing the AFP issue? I have clients that want Leopard Server for iCal Server, etc..

[treblah]

Reading these posts is getting me to thinking...

1) Can't read menu bar dur to transparency... wtf? are you serious? FOR starters the transparency is EXTREMELY subtle, heck i can only tell its transparent when im looking for it.. heres a screenshot, maybe my version of leopard if different?


The Menu bar is at the top. Tell me which one is easier to read.

[The Flashing Fi]

The only thing I want fixed is the lag that's apparent when you have the background set to change. It seems that whenever the background changes, everything is laggy (inluding the dock). It's very annoying. I have noticed this on two MBPs with the same specs (2.2 C2D, 2 gigs of RAM, 8600m GT 128 meg, 15").

[ingenious]

I like the translucent menu bar - so Im excited those that do not will be able to stop whining about it :D

amen!

[ingenious]

Readability. Is that really so hard to understand?

yea, because it's always been readable to me... :rolleyes:

do you just have a weird (for the translucency) background image? :confused:

[hadleydb]

Just got a new Mac Pro today!! I hope the update comes out soon. Even though this thing is running sweet.

[applefan69]

The Menu bar is at the top. Tell me which one is easier to read.

Well... alright I can see what your issue is NOW... that sure is one trippy backround image... I guess if you are usin a background image like that, it can be annoying. SO now i understand what the issue is.

My question is, how can you use a background image like that all day? Even if menu bar wasnt transparent i still couldn't stand looking at it for long periods of times, and im generally not sensitive to headaches.

P.S thank you for showing me such an obvious example of how it is a problem

[Dave00]

To me, the issue isn't the translucent menu bar. It's the translucent windows and palates and menus. Sometimes the foremost window/menu is completely unreadable because of interference from background. And it really doesn't add anything to the experience; knowing what's behind a window doesn't help me because I can't click on it or drag to it or otherwise interact with it. And if I really want to see what's there, just one click of expose will do it. Stacks are similarly useless. It's analogous to having a stack of papers on my desk unlabeled, vs. having them in a manila folder with a label. Icons have gone to the crapper as well - hard to tell the applications folder from the documents folder from the movies folder. This is a complete departure from the standard set around OS8 where folders didn't have to look like folders any more, you could have a treble clef for your music files and a dollar sign for your financial files. These are serious gui design flaws, and someone needs to admit they goofed and go back to a more standard convention.

Dave

[Data]

I sure hope this will fix my itunes problem, i start itunes up and then i have to leave it alone for 5 minutes otherwise it will go in to does not respond, if i do touch the mac while its starting even other apps will freeze like ichat and finder, grrr bring it on and make it good please

[yojitani]

I just want to know when they are either going to make the downloads folder and any other user added 'stack folder' icons static or at least make them editable. Most of this other cosmetic stuff is not a bother for me.

[DaveTheGrey]

I've got only one problem, which I hope will be fixed with 10.5.2!
When I open up the lid of my 2,2 MBP to wake up from sleep mode the screen sometimes stays black... This is SO annoying!
Please Apple fix this!

Dave

[chimerical]

2) Blue orbs for indicating when applications are open... well for starters theres a program i downloaded, it allowed me to adjust stuff like the dock color (notice MY dock is black which btw looks amazingly sharp) but anyways i find those blue orbs as easy to see as the triangles were in Tiger.. then again i never had difficulties telling of a program was open...
Do I have enhanced vision over everyone else in the world or something?


The default "Aurora" wallpaper has stars that look like orbs. Imagine a wallpaper featuring just stars. It could get confusing if these stars ended up behind the dock.

You also used a dark modified dock in your example. Hardly the best example to use to prove orb visibility in extreme cases. The default dock out of the box looks like this: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/4

By the way, whether you think menu translucency affects readability, you'd think that for pure aesthetic reasons, they should at least allow you to disable it. I may love the "Aqua Graphite" wallpaper, but not the shade of the blue that the translucent menu bar takes on with that image.

[weblogik]

The Menu bar is at the top. Tell me which one is easier to read.

thats the most awful desktop background ever. Surely apple wasnt thinking anyone would put something that atrociuous behind their translucent bar :eek::eek::eek:

[JFreak]

Anyone out there know if they'll be updating iSync and/or adding additional profiles in 10.5.2?

Who cares about updating iSync? I want it FIXED first. Currently (10.5.1) iXync cannot sync address book - only ical - and cannot even reflect changes made to address book groups. No fun at all. I'm hoping 10.5.2 will let me sync my mobile phone again.

[onewiseman]

thats the most awful desktop background ever. Surely apple wasnt thinking anyone would put something that atrociuous behind their translucent bar :eek::eek::eek:

That's right. Apple clearly wasn't thinking.

[spriter]

Sounds like this is what 10.5.0 should have been... ready for primetime.

[flyinmac]

That's right. Apple clearly wasn't thinking.

Yes, they were. Just like every other business decision they've made for the last 3 years, their one and only thought was:

"Oooh, Pretty"

[Kaptajn Haddock]

Any news if 10.5.2 will fix the 'first keystroke not always registered' bug on MacBook Pros?

See here for more info on the bug: http://www.petergabriel.dk/mbp.html

[ricosuave]

@ applefan69 What is that GameBoy app on the dock?

[chrisconfessed]

I like the translucent menu bar - so Im excited those that do not will be able to stop whining about it :D

I feel the same!

[Neil321]

wifi dropouts is my main issue when waking up, have to go threw the assist
me enter WEP password most days

[andy721]

how bout you guys hurry up on this update an stop posting update news for all of the hype of BS>

[bogg]

how bout you guys hurry up on this update an stop posting update news for all of the hype of BS>

?

[BWhaler]

How about a list of bug fixes for 10.5.2 Server? Obviously, the dock is not a priority for the server version. Any word on them fixing the AFP issue? I have clients that want Leopard Server for iCal Server, etc..

Agreed.

The bugs in leopard client are bad, but the AFP (and others) bugs in Leopard server are a disgrace.

Apple needs to get their act together on quality.

Anyway, we tried Leopard Server on a test computer and it was just way too buggy. We really would like to cut over too, but Apple needs a serious bug fix for the server...

Fingers crossed...

[zign]

The Menu bar is at the top. Tell me which one is easier to read.

How can you read anything at all with this background? It hurts my eyes! :)

Anyway, having an option is always nice.

[Bakafish]

I have to say that OS X.5 hit me with a couple painful bugs that I, in the past, never came to expect from Apple. The most crippling one was the continuos dropping of wireless connectivity when using certain third party wireless hubs. The second painful bug was the inability to print to my new Epson printer via my (Snow) AirPort Extreme. These two bugs wasted many hours futilely attempting to debug the issues before discovering that they were somewhat known bugs. I'm comforted that they are supposed to be fixed in this update, it can't be soon enough.

As for the people defending the transparent menu bar, if you want to use it that's your prerogative. It is heavily background dependent though, and saying that the problem is with the user is pathetically fanboyish and myopic, allowing user choice should have always been an option and Apple is doing the right thing to do so.

[achtung!]

Posted by flyinmac: Yes, they were. Just like every other business decision they've made for the last 3 years, their one and only thought was: "Oooh, Pretty"

the wallpapers, but especially that menu-bar isn't pretty, isn't functional, isn't consistent. it's only different, and lame.
:)

[scifiman]

I couldn't agree more, and have you seen the horrendous bug in which Software Update Service on 10.5.1 server re-caches ALL the updates every 12 hours. We're talking about 7-10GB of updates being re-downloaded from Apple twice a day....that makes an impact on the network...

Thankfully no. We never had SUS running long enough to see that. I got Leopard Server installed on a test machine with Netboot/NetInstall working and then focused on the AD/OD stuff and found out how many problems there were with it. Then we just put it aside till that is fixed and left our Tiger server running. We really want to go to Leopard to use the new Wiki/blog services (blojsom in Tiger is awful to administer) and the iCal server. Maybe by the end of Feb. we can have Leopard server where it should be for a production environment.

[asencif]

Waiting is ok for some clients, but I have others that recently bought or are needing to buy the new XServes. I don't want to have them go out and buy copies of Tiger Server for their new servers when Leopard is already included. They need to just fix things.

[viggen9]

Thankfully no. We never had SUS running long enough to see that. I got Leopard Server installed on a test machine with Netboot/NetInstall working and then focused on the AD/OD stuff and found out how many problems there were with it. Then we just put it aside till that is fixed and left our Tiger server running. We really want to go to Leopard to use the new Wiki/blog services (blojsom in Tiger is awful to administer) and the iCal server. Maybe by the end of Feb. we can have Leopard server where it should be for a production environment.

Unless all your clients are Macs with safari or using Firefox, the wiki is problematic. Under IE6 and IE7, the interface is incredibly slow....in the way that you start typing and by the time you finish writing a sentence, the first characters start to appear, and then slowly appear. Reminds me of word processing on an old LC-era Mac. In Safari for PC, we had odd drawing of the pages, with the wiki appearing within another frame --- didn't look right at all.

Our AD/OD integration seems to be working fine, with the exception of a binding error from Tiger. Workaround at this point is to manually add the LDAPv3 entry and go find the workstation from Workgroup Manager. It's clunky but seems to function.

[Yankees 4 Life]

amen!

agree. Who cares about it being transparent. Aren't there other things to complain about?

[ilogic]

1. Time Machine over AEBS
2. AEBS dropped connection
3. Mail
4. AEBS does not always sense my printer
5. improved system stability
6. miscellaneous bugs
7. translucent menu bar :D

[cogsinister]

The graphics update updates all drivers, not just Nvidia8X drivers.

I hope the GMA 900 gets a tweak then...............

[pounce]

wifi dropouts is my main issue when waking up, have to go threw the assist
me enter WEP password most days

same here and that is quite a pain.

[dual64bit]

Is everyone else hoping the 10.5.2 update is the delay in shipping the macbook airs?

I guess it would only make sense the air requires 10.5.2 due to the remote disc features.

[bearwise]

Is everyone else hoping the 10.5.2 update is the delay in shipping the macbook airs?

I guess it would only make sense the air requires 10.5.2 due to the remote disc features.

My favorite, completely unsubstantiated, rumor of the moment......

[treblah]

yea, because it's always been readable to me... :rolleyes:

do you just have a weird (for the translucency) background image? :confused:


My question is, how can you use a background image like that all day? Even if menu bar wasnt transparent i still couldn't stand looking at it for long periods of times, and im generally not sensitive to headaches.


thats the most awful desktop background ever. Surely apple wasnt thinking anyone would put something that atrociuous behind their translucent bar :eek::eek::eek:

How can you read anything at all with this background? It hurts my eyes! :)

For the record that is not my desktop but that doesn't change the fact that the translucent menubar looks horrible and adds absolutely nothing to the desktop other than 'ohh, shiny!'

Anyway, having an option is always nice.

Exactly.

[williedigital]

I haven't experienced hangs doing most things, but it DOES, however, hang when attaching art to albums, and especially movies. It's consistent, but irritatingly so.

It's completely normal for this to happen when adding art to movies. In many cases, itunes must rewrite the movie file to appropriate room on the end of the file for metatag info, which holds things like the photo. Likewise to tracks. It has to rewrite the mp4 file. The reason it's shorter with songs is that the files are much smaller.

[Domofloge]

I'm pretty new with macs, but I'm assuming this is a free update? I was going to order a macbook right now but should this make me wait?

Yeah the updates are free, unlike the Apps for the iPod Touch that Apple is charging $20 for. Crazy. Think of it as Apple's fix for some of the bugs in the OS. Very similar to service packs in the Windows OS. You can order a Macbook now, cause it will most likely come with the most up-to-date software. If not, you can just download 10.5.2 it when it arrives. :D

[surfsnow]

Do anyone know what are listed on the bug fix?

[Data]

I'm still hoping theyll bring back sending and recieving sms messages trew Adressbook and a BT connected Phone.

[jimthorn]

Does anyone know which graphics drivers are being updated? I have a new MacBook and the integrated GMA X3100 is buggy. I would be happy to know a new driver is coming within the week.

[legacyb4]

Beating a dead horse, I only wish this was true across their product lines if the numbering logic was true...

No need to wait - the update is free - as are all point releases of OSX (i.e. you buy 10.5.0 and 10.5.X is free - X being the point).

[andy721]

It better be here Friday, or I will have a ***** FIT!:eek:

[Mindflux]

It better be here Friday, or I will have a ***** FIT!:eek:


oh noes.

[Stellarola]

I'm loving the 9C20 build of 10.5.2. I can't seem to break it, which is a good thing.

The updated drivers for Nvidia 7xxx series cards work very well. I can't really say my system feels faster but it is all around much more stable. :)

-Stell

[jimthorn]

Any word on new GMA X3100 drivers for current MacBooks? Anybody?