Apple Releases iTunes Windows and More [Archive]

MacRumors

Oct 16, 2003, 01:33 PM

Apple.com (http://www.apple.com) released iTunes for Windows, iPod accessories, as well as an iTunes update for Mac.

More details to come.

See our Live Coverage notes (http://www.macrumors.com/events/musicevent2003.html) for details.

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moosecat

Oct 16, 2003, 01:34 PM

Holy crimoly. Why is AAPL down on this news?

latergator116

Oct 16, 2003, 01:35 PM

hmmm, I though that was pretty lame. not worth an hour and a half.

notjustjay

Oct 16, 2003, 01:35 PM

woot woot!

Downloaded already..

No Canada, though. Doh.

Shadey

Oct 16, 2003, 01:35 PM

Installing iTunes for Windows right now.....this is kinda weird, really ;)

weezer160

Oct 16, 2003, 01:35 PM

cool, maybe this will change the opinions of many pc users

Bozola

Oct 16, 2003, 01:36 PM

Now how do I impress my PC friends with my mac now that they have itunes :(

reyesmac

Oct 16, 2003, 01:36 PM

Apple doesn't seem to be making anything but the iPod, all of the accessories are made by other companies like belkin. That kinda sucks. I would like to see how Apple would design some of those accessories.

I love the fact that iTunes for windows talks to iTunes for the Mac. Best feature for my setup at home. Now finally the PC has something to do while I am on the Mac....which is 95% of the time.

noel4r

Oct 16, 2003, 01:36 PM

i'm going to download iTunes for Windows asap! can you stream music between your Windows iTunes and Mac iTunes?

vwcruisn

Oct 16, 2003, 01:36 PM

Wow that promotion with pepsi sounds AWESOME!

MacRonin

Oct 16, 2003, 01:36 PM

dongmin

Oct 16, 2003, 01:36 PM

Wow. Apple's gonna win.

walkingmac

Oct 16, 2003, 01:37 PM

I thought (just from reading the note here at macrumors) that this was a huge showing.

Yet I still find myself wondering (maybe it was better live in and in person) about the voice recording capabilities. What is the quality level?

All in All.... KICK A**

AmigoMac

Oct 16, 2003, 01:38 PM

I'll take it for work tomorrow! :)

e-coli

Oct 16, 2003, 01:38 PM

So, the new iTunes 4.1 doesn't include any of those ridiculous new DRM methods like the inaudible gaps in songs that prevent re-ripping, does it?

simX

Oct 16, 2003, 01:38 PM

Apple's partnerships with AOL and Pepsi more than negate the negative impact of not including WMA support in iTunes or the iPod. If Pepsi makes a multimillion dollar ad campaign out of this, it'll be a serious boost of publicity for Apple. I'll just have to ask around and see if anybody here at college likes Pepsi, come February 1st. ;) (I sure don't.)

alset

Oct 16, 2003, 01:38 PM

So, who's installed iTunes on a PC? Let's have some reports on how well it works!

Dan

pepeleuepe

Oct 16, 2003, 01:39 PM

I'm really excited to see how this work on Windows. Apple, I'm amazed once again. Even though we all pretty much knew what was coming, all I can say is "Wow."

Java

Oct 16, 2003, 01:39 PM

Wow. Wow. Wow.

Dude, for a photographer who owns an iPod, just being able to transfer my photos to my iPod is perfect! I couldn't have asked for a better product.

Finally the world will see the quality of Apple first hand.

My hat is off to you Steve.

pb1212580

Oct 16, 2003, 01:39 PM

Just ordered my Recording accessory. I can't wait to see what the quality is like on the mic. I was hoping that we could plug our own mics in...

anyone has any idea on how to do that?!

F/reW/re

Oct 16, 2003, 01:40 PM

Why does the iTunes webpage look unbelivebly ugly! Thats the worst web/graphic design I have ever seen by Apple! As soon as something that has anything to do with Microsoft appears, it looks like crap!

$50 for a microphone, isnt that a little expencive?

From Win to Mac

Oct 16, 2003, 01:40 PM

Totally r*pes the other Music Services IMHO.
but... no Canada iTMS !! NOOO
Oh well, can't have everything.

Nice going Apple

dswoodley

Oct 16, 2003, 01:41 PM

iTunes for Windows has killed my PC running Windows 2000 - I can't even get to a logon screen before it freezes!

Sayhey

Oct 16, 2003, 01:41 PM

100 million songs by April 2004? With the team up with AOL and Pepsi, it is clear Apple is not going to surrender its leadership to Napster or anyone else without a huge fight. 400,000 songs by the end of the month! And now audio books as well. I'm impressed!

arby

Oct 16, 2003, 01:41 PM

Surelty this is momentous!

Apple have really blown the competition to bits with this announcement. 100 million free downloads, massive Pepsi promo, a huge deal with AOL, iPod accessories ..... Apple are on a roll.

What else can be said? Akamai better be ready for the rush of downloads!!!

anaquin

Oct 16, 2003, 01:41 PM

I LOOOOOOOVE APPLE!

Westside guy

Oct 16, 2003, 01:41 PM

My daughter is going to love this. She'd already asked me about "iTunes for Windows" (when i bought my PB, she got my old Dell Inspiron). The allowance feature probably is going under most people's radar, but it is a KILLER IDEA if you're a parent.

CmdrLaForge

Oct 16, 2003, 01:42 PM

Its so cool !

Apple just rocks :-)

. . . now downloading

e-coli

Oct 16, 2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by dswoodley
iTunes for Windows has killed my PC running Windows 2000 - I can't even get to a logon screen before it freezes!

Reboot agian. Maybe that will fix it.

Bummer, man. :(

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 01:42 PM

Akamai better be ready for the rush of downloads!!!

No noticable lag on the iTMS... that's a good thing!

HenrikDK

Oct 16, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by moosecat
Holy crimoly. Why is AAPL down on this news?

You'll find the answer using this link and reading news link for 10/16/2003 11:57AM

http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/quotes_news.asp?selected=AAPL&symbol=AAPL%60

Snowy_River

Oct 16, 2003, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Bozola
Now how do I impress my PC friends with my mac now that they have itunes :(

By the fact that the rest of the OS is just as easy and elegant as this one application... ;)

dswoodley

Oct 16, 2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by e-coli
Reboot agian. Maybe that will fix it.

Bummer, man. :(

that's the problem, I can't even boot now.

NavyIntel007

Oct 16, 2003, 01:44 PM

Is there an updated iTunes for mac?

From Win to Mac

Oct 16, 2003, 01:44 PM

that's *not* a good thing, if you know what i mean.

1macker1

Oct 16, 2003, 01:44 PM

Not impressed..but the AOL thing is good

JohnGillilan

Oct 16, 2003, 01:45 PM

Coke, Not Pepsi

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by From Win to Mac
that's *not* a good thing, if you know what i mean.

I think it shows that they're handling the load... so far, anyway.

macMaestro

Oct 16, 2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by dswoodley
iTunes for Windows has killed my PC running Windows 2000 - I can't even get to a logon screen before it freezes!

Maybe that was the whole point. Destroy half of the Windows computers out there, and double your market share.

windwaves

Oct 16, 2003, 01:47 PM

Anyone has figured out whether it can be connected directly to the Mac also ? or is it only working with the iPod (I guess the only difference would be the plug on the cable). Anyway, especially if one could use it both with the iPod and a Mac, that would be awesome....;

And for those wondering about quality of the mic, if it is intended for voice recording I would not have high expectations.

NavyIntel007

Oct 16, 2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by macMaestro
Maybe that was the whole point. Destroy half of the Windows computers out there, and double your market share.

HAHAHA you might be on to something.

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by dswoodley
iTunes for Windows has killed my PC running Windows 2000 - I can't even get to a logon screen before it freezes!

You've just been Punk'd! :eek:

pb1212580

Oct 16, 2003, 01:48 PM

yes. 4.1

Originally posted by NavyIntel007
Is there an updated iTunes for mac?

SilentPanda

Oct 16, 2003, 01:48 PM

Works fine for me on Windows 2000. The only problem (and I've already submitted the bug) is that I'm not getting audio out of the front headphone jack of my CD-Rom drive when playing an audio CD. Not a huge deal for most people but that's what I use. At work.... at home I have my nice friendly iMac...

SeaFox

Oct 16, 2003, 01:49 PM

Elapsed Time: 14:45
Time remeining: 42:40

26% Complete

I must say though, this is the first really well done promotion I think I've seen from Apple.

I note the irony of Sarah McLachlan performing and she was mentioned last night in the iTMS for Canada thread. But there was no announcement.

and QuickTime 6.4 installation is required for iTunes for Windows installation, just as I predicted.

walkingmac

Oct 16, 2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by JohnGillilan
Coke, Not Pepsi

COKE SUCKS

PEPSI ROCKS

It's like looking at it in terms of Big Global Microsoft that leaves bad taste in peoples mouths, and then Apple who is the better tasting, better looking, and all around better product.

Helmut Kool

Oct 16, 2003, 01:51 PM

Oh well, no Linux version and doesn't work with Win98, so no iTunes for me yet.

deepkid

Oct 16, 2003, 01:51 PM

Just left the downtown Chicago store (Michigan Avenue) and still feel a bit dizzy.

Was peculiar watching Steve demonstrate iTMS on a Dell. Was wondering if he'd demo on some other wintel, like an HP. Interesting.

All in all, some very good announcements.

Wonder who'll cater to the non-gen-3 iPod owners who want to voice record?

MattG

Oct 16, 2003, 01:51 PM

Wow..this really is identical to the Mac version.

I'm impressed. They've done it again :)

eddyg

Oct 16, 2003, 01:52 PM

Once you get iTunes and iPod from Software Update force it to run again and it will then pick up QT 6.4.

Cheers, Edward.

bitfactory

Oct 16, 2003, 01:52 PM

daddy told ya - no WM support. GOOD!

snahabed

Oct 16, 2003, 01:53 PM

Flawless!

Apple has given us almost everything we asked for. And more... As a Diet Pepsi addict, I am WAY happy about next year's promotion!!! I hope they put caps on Diet Pepsi Vanilla too :)

Any word on WMA playback in either version? Someone's gotta try it... with ripped WMAs, not purchased ones.

Kamu-San

Oct 16, 2003, 01:53 PM

Hahahahaaaa, I can share my music library with my XP machine!!
Cool!!

Now, it's too bad that both machines are next to eachother, but hey, it works :-)

bignumbers

Oct 16, 2003, 01:53 PM

Hey, story's on the top-right of CNN.com.

candan9019

Oct 16, 2003, 01:53 PM

Time to spend! They have more songs that I like now. iTunes 4.1 looks a little better but not much different. Only downside still only U.S. and nothing for my 1st Gen iPod. I was hoping for an update or something. Can't have everyting I guess.

shecky

Oct 16, 2003, 01:53 PM

note: quicktime 6.4, iPod software 2.1 and iTunes 4.1 in your software update

i installed and am running itunes on my Win XP pro, athlon 1500+ machine and its great - identical to itunes for mac. runs slick, souinds great. i am especially happy to see AAC support.

goodbye winamp.

bertagert

Oct 16, 2003, 01:53 PM

This should lay to rest the people that thought Apple had to get the windows version out so soon. Apple is 1 year ahead of everyone else.

Buymusic.com will be dead soon.

Music Match will die slowly over the next 6 months to a year.

Napster will be the competition. However, like a said in a previous thread, I doubt Napster has 500k songs for burn. I'll bet most of those will be for stream only.

This is going to be a HUGE ad campaign. Apple has definfietly won the battle against other companies.

Way to go Apple employees!

RogueLdr

Oct 16, 2003, 01:54 PM

Running iTunes on WinXP (my gaming box) at the moment, and I'll TELL you how it works...

It works like iTunes!

EXACTLY like iTunes!

Aside from my menu items being part of the iTunes window and the window min/max buttons being on the incorrect side of the window ;) , it is spot on identical. Which is as it should be.

MattG

Oct 16, 2003, 01:54 PM

OK I don't have my iPod cable here to test it, so maybe someone else can answer my question.

Being that I'm a Mac user at home, my iPod is Mac formatted. Before, when I plugged it into my PC at work, it told me that the drive needed to be formatted (since Windows can't read drives with the Mac file system). Now that I have iTunes installed, will my PC recognize a drive that's Mac formatted?

jeremy.king

Oct 16, 2003, 01:55 PM

Its a big download! 50% and counting!

They must have predicted the load, cuase they are using akamai!!!

nice

hobbes3113

Oct 16, 2003, 01:55 PM

Can't wait to try the new stuff...

jxyama

Oct 16, 2003, 01:55 PM

is the photo reader just a reader or read/writer? if it's a writer as well, i'd drop my money for it. (useful when i want to go to photoshop to drop off digital pics from the flash cards...) fw connection to computer is a nice touch as my current reader is at usb speed and is quite slow...

since the photo reader and voice thing are made by belkin, i assume apple told them to hold off on the annoucement or apple had some influence otherwise?

on the store online, it says it's a third-party accessory... i'm kind of confused by them being part of an official apple announcement..? maybe it's not so rare, anyways?

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by RogueLdr
Aside from my menu items being part of the iTunes window and the window min/max buttons being on the incorrect side of the window ;) , it is spot on identical. Which is as it should be.

Screen shots somebody... please.

Heart Break Kid

Oct 16, 2003, 01:58 PM

just messed with the rendezvous
it works flawlessly

im streaming from my 17" 1 ghz AlBOOK to my 500mhz Dell running XP

this is just awsome

512ke

Oct 16, 2003, 01:58 PM

Aaaah Itunes looks so nice and sounds so nice, already running it on my wife's PC notebook next to my Mac. Finally an UNCLUTTERED and ELEGANT player/tuner XP. MUCH nicer than Windows Media Player with its clutter. MUCH better organized than Realplayer etc etc. And the brushed aluminum actually looks brushed, not like Quicktime on XP.
I'm playing KCRW Simulcast.
Now if only Panther would run on the PC...

Snowy_River

Oct 16, 2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by walkingmac
COKE SUCKS

PEPSI ROCKS

It's like looking at it in terms of Big Global Microsoft that leaves bad taste in peoples mouths, and then Apple who is the better tasting, better looking, and all around better product.

Well, if you ask me, which, of course, you didn't, but I'll tell you anyway, they're both little more than colored sugar water. That said, let's not get overly prejudicial about who likes which brand. It's a bit different than comparing Apples and MSFTs.

nickysfuture

Oct 16, 2003, 01:59 PM

I just downloaded it and bought "Concrete Dunes" by Grandaddy. No problems with either one!

I'm downloading QT 6.4 right now... we'll see how that goes.

MattG

Oct 16, 2003, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Flowbee
Screen shots somebody... please.
http://homepage.mac.com/mattgudites/ituneswin.jpg

Doctor Q

Oct 16, 2003, 02:00 PM

iTunes 4.1 specs for Windows say "Latest Windows service packs recommended." Just a standard precaution, or do they know something about a particular service patch?

shecky

Oct 16, 2003, 02:01 PM

screenshots:

http://www.abrasivedesign.com/stuff/itunes01.jpg

http://www.abrasivedesign.com/stuff/itunes02.jpg

coumerelli

Oct 16, 2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by MattG
OK I don't have my iPod cable here to test it, so maybe someone else can answer my question.

Being that I'm a Mac user at home, my iPod is Mac formatted. Before, when I plugged it into my PC at work, it told me that the drive needed to be formatted (since Windows can't read drives with the Mac file system). Now that I have iTunes installed, will my PC recognize a drive that's Mac formatted?

I'd say probably not. I do know that if yo format your iPod to windows (sorry for the time it may take) you can use it for both mac AND windows without a hitch. I think this is mostly because macs can easily read windows formatted disks.

drbyers

Oct 16, 2003, 02:02 PM

works just like the mac version. but the interface looks a little cleaner now. hmm.

MattG

Oct 16, 2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by coumerelli
I'd say probably not. I do know that if yo format your iPod to windows (sorry for the time it may take) you can use it for both mac AND windows without a hitch. I think this is mostly because macs can easily read windows formatted disks. Ahh. Well, guess it wouldn't be too much trouble for me to format my iPod and transfer all the tunes back with PodWorks. Good to know--thanks!

LightFantastik

Oct 16, 2003, 02:03 PM

That's just too weird... but freakin' awesome.

I've already been spreading the news to my PC using friends on other boards.

krykert

Oct 16, 2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Flowbee
Screen shots somebody... please.

Yes! Please! Millions are clamoring to know. I'll even host your screenshots on my university connection if you send them my way.

badhorsie777

Oct 16, 2003, 02:04 PM

OH MY...

My little ibook is gonna be sooooo jealous of my XP dektop now... Seriously, though. I have ALWAYS stolen my wife's ibook for burning mix cd's, encoding, etc. The fact that it TECHNICALLY isn't as fast as my pc is ridiculous. The flow that itunes lets you have saves you more time than the XP box's processor edge. Most of you apple-y people here already know that, but as a recent convert speaking to some who are contemplating a switch, believe me - the operating system is a DREAM.

/gleeful rant

One question, though... I love books on tape, and was wondering what's the bitrate on those audiobooks?

mathematician

Oct 16, 2003, 02:04 PM

The new iTunes 4.1 allows optional error correction when importing (maybe s.th. like oversampling). I hoped for that!

macnews

Oct 16, 2003, 02:04 PM

The accessories are so so, not exactly what I was thinking of. I agree with the other posts that would want Apple to do some of the accessory design. At the same time, I can understand Apple wanting to leave that to other manufacturers.

iTunes for windows sounds great. I like the allowance feature, gift certs, 400k+ songs and I love the fact I can use a mix of pc and macs as authorized machines! Very good deal here! I think the AOL and Pepsi (would have preferred Coke but that is Coke's loss) are great marketing ploys and will dramatically increase the market share. It seems like here Apple finally realizes the economy of scale through sheer numbers. Say what you may about AOL but it is a perfect fit for windows iTunes. Simple internet with simple music downloads. I will be curious to see how many windows downloads they will get in the first few weeks. I would imagine with the iPod market share we will see many.

Hopefully we just won't have too many people with software problems after loading it up. Of course, that is one advantage of using OS X.

coumerelli

Oct 16, 2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by MattG
Ahh. Well, guess it wouldn't be too much trouble for me to format my iPod and transfer all the tunes back with PodWorks. Good to know--thanks!

yup! (boy this is fun!!!! :D :D :D )

GrannySmith_G5

Oct 16, 2003, 02:05 PM

Just downloaded 3 songs from my windows 2000 box. worked perfect. Using rendevous with my imac now, again perfect. This is going to be a big hit!

sebisworld

Oct 16, 2003, 02:05 PM

Why can't I access the iTunes Library on my Mac from Windows? It does not seem to want to download the list. Additionally, I can't search iTMS from the search box...

But it's a good start.

Jeff Harrell

Oct 16, 2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by deepkid
Was peculiar watching Steve demonstrate iTMS on a Dell. Was wondering if he'd demo on some other wintel, like an HP. Actually, Apple's doing exactly the right thing. If you have to feature a competitor's product, pick the one with the best-known brand and biggest market share. In other words, give free advertising to the one who will benefit from it the least.

coolbreeze

Oct 16, 2003, 02:07 PM

Problems w/iTunes on my Win2000 laptop:

1. iTMS preview not loading in music store (most likely due to massive traffic)

2. Radio option doesn't work

3. Sharing doesn't seem to work

4. Oddly enough, some menu options are "grayed out" and cannot be selected (i.e. visualizer, convert selection to AAC, etc).

Strange. iTMS is like molasses too (which is good!)

Rower_CPU

Oct 16, 2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by sebisworld
Why can't I access the iTunes Library on my Mac from Windows? It does not seem to want to download the list. Additionally, I can't search iTMS from the search box...

But it's a good start.

Stupid question: Do you have sharing turned on?

shecky

Oct 16, 2003, 02:08 PM

couple more shots:

http://www.abrasivedesign.com/stuff/itunes03.jpg

http://www.abrasivedesign.com/stuff/itunes04.jpg

bertagert

Oct 16, 2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by coumerelli
yup! (boy this is fun!!!! :D :D :D )

Just go get MacDrive. It reads mac formated drives on your windows machine.

MacDrive (http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/)

MorganX

Oct 16, 2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by alset
So, who's installed iTunes on a PC? Let's have some reports on how well it works!

Dan

Looks great, performs great. Haven't burned a CD or DVD yet. Much faster on an 800MHz PIII than it was on my 17" iMac. To be fair, it handles my large music library faster than WindowsXP explorer also.

I'm using Windows 2000 without SP4 which it recommends so I'm going to credit that with the two hangs.

All-in-all I'd give it a 9/10. Lack of WMA support is going to hurt though. iRiver's iHP-120 with optical out looks killer. OGG but no AAC. Something's going to have to give. Either someone other than Apple is going to have to give major support to AAC or Apple is going to have to think seriously about supporting WMA and other players.

But, I can play all of my iTMS purchases again, so I'm happy. I'm not sure what I'm going to do regarding future purchases. I'm definitely going to get an HP120 this Christmas.

Rower_CPU

Oct 16, 2003, 02:09 PM

Works great on XP - can see/play shared music from my Mac, gets radio stations, previews on iTMS run great

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by coolbreeze
Strange. iTMS is like molasses too (which is good!)

iTMS is working like usual for me... still no lags. Just downloaded the Jet album with no problems.

i_am_a_cow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:12 PM

yea but the volume is up like 10 000 000

physicsnerd

Oct 16, 2003, 02:12 PM

iTunes windows runs perfectly on my XP box (PIII 450, 384ram). The only thing i've noticed is that when trying to view iTunes on the Mac I get an error saying "The shared music library "<my name>'s music" is not compatible with this version of iTunes. I'm still running the orginal 4.0 on the mac, so i guess i'll have to update it.

Physicsnerd

ebow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:14 PM

Is anyone else getting bogus characters in the menus? See my screenshot. What's happening is the ellipse characters "..." are being turned into rectangles because of an encoding problem, or something. I may have changed my menu font, but it's only set to MS San Serif (meaning I figured it was a complete font with all appropriate characters).

i_am_a_cow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by pb1212580
Just ordered my Recording accessory. I can't wait to see what the quality is like on the mic. I was hoping that we could plug our own mics in...

anyone has any idea on how to do that?!

we should be able to use our own with the new software (it doesn't plug in to the bottom pins)

denm316

Oct 16, 2003, 02:15 PM

Everyone said they took to long and that they better hurry up with this software. But now all I can say is Thank You Apple.

sketchy

Oct 16, 2003, 02:19 PM

shecky

Oct 16, 2003, 02:19 PM

ebow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by i_am_a_cow
we should be able to use our own with the new software (it doesn't plug in to the bottom pins)

But the Belkin model also has a nub that goes into the headphone jack. That's probably how it saves the recorded sound to discrete files. I wouldn't think that's possible with just a microphone.

Shadey

Oct 16, 2003, 02:19 PM

Screenshots.

Click on images for larger version.

Burning
http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/burning_sm.jpg (http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/burning_lg.jpg)

Equalizer
http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/EQ_sm.jpg (http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/EQ_lg.jpg)

Playing A Song
http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/playing_sm.jpg (http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/playing_lg.jpg)

iTunes Music Store
http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/store_sm.jpg (http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/store_lg.jpg)

Visualizer
http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/visual_sm.jpg (http://www.shadeonline.net/images/itunes/visual_lg.jpg)

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 02:19 PM

Installed iTunes on my WinXp machine.

It takes up almost 40MB or RAM while running, which I think is quite a lot. Also it is using a good 80% of my CPU (Athlon 1400+ OC to 1.75Ghz) while playing music. Idle the numbers eventually go down to about 10MB and 5-10% CPU usage.

The install causes two other programs to run on startup iTunesHelper.exe and qttask.exe (which is the quicktime startup)

iTunesHelper.exe takes about 3.7MB and iPodService.exe (started by the iTunesHelper, I assume) takes another 3.2MB.

I am going to see if iTunes will still work without running these extra services. I just hate stuff starting on boot up.

Also, the "maximize" button puts iTunes into "mini" mode (I am not sure what it is called) but when you double click on the title bar, it resizes the window horizontally.. (this makes no sense to me) When resizing, it is kinda sluggish.

The interface is very clean and start up time is good. Startup time with the '/prefetch:1" option is less than a second.

No real major problems, but just wanted to point onut the minor ones for everyones info!

Time to go buy some music :)

http://hallwaysofhell.com/screenshot.JPG

suzerain

Oct 16, 2003, 02:21 PM

OK, so there are lies, damned lies and benchmarks. But it occurs to me that we have an interesting way to benchmark Pentiums against G4/5s now.

I am ripping MC Solaar's disc "MC Solaar", and my 2.2 GHz Pentium 4 running XP is toasting my PowerBook G4/867 12".

I know, I know...that's not really a fair fight, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Incidentally, the PC is ripping almost twice as fast as the PowerBook did, which would mean my G4/867 would be equivalent of a 1.2 GHz Pentium 4 -- at this task at least.

Anyway, totally unscientific and off the cuff...but just interesting...

UPDATE Looks like my little 867 MHz PowerBook achieves about 60% of the speed of my P4 2.2GHz desktop. So, that'd make it closer to a 1.3 GHz P4, ignoring everything else like bus speed, and so forth. Not too shabby since this little laptop's bus speed, memory and hard disk are all much slower than my Windows desktop.

sketchy

Oct 16, 2003, 02:23 PM

I use a PC at work. Just downloaded iTunes.. Excellent job Apple. And somehow I can get streaming through the firewall. I have no idea how.. since the stations I listen to will not stream through IE. And the iTMS works. This is most excellent. I have imported 4 mp3 CD's and all is well.

and the visual effects work.. this could be bad.. and i think my iPod is jelous now.. I wish that was cross platform..

I think Apple did a better job then anyone thought. especially with AOL and Pepsi.

if radio does not work it might be your network/firewall.

artmc

Oct 16, 2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by bertagert
Just go get MacDrive. It reads mac formated drives on your windows machine.

MacDrive (http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/)

Or you could try:
XPlay (http://www.mediafour.com/products/xplay/)

I use this with no troubles at all. Since it's built to work with the Apple formatted iPod. My Compaq Win2k box works *GREAT*
with this app. I was lucky that my desktop has (2) 6-pin Firewire ports on it.

* art *

sososowhat

Oct 16, 2003, 02:24 PM

There are 767 Terry Gross interviews (from NPR) on the site. Nearly 1000 "songs" or "books" or whatever. They're each about 45 minutes long.

I'm delighted to have these available, but:

1) titles/indexing could be MUCH better. What was the date of the interview? How do you differentiate between several interviews with the same person?

2) Is $2.99 a little much for a radio program? Yes, I know it's longer than a 'song' but it's also not something you're generally going to listen to more than once or twice.

3) They're fudging things a bit by calling them "books". I'd suggest instead a category (Interviews?) just for this sort of material.

nickysfuture

Oct 16, 2003, 02:24 PM

Installed QT 6.4, restarted, no problems at all so far. I still have do idea what it does, but it's 0.1 higher, right?

The error-correcting CD import option makes me happy inside. Both of my Secret Stars CDs had little scratches that were inaudible on the stereo, but they caused blips in the imported songs, maybe this will fix that.

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by suzerain

I am ripping MC Solaar's disc "MC Solaar"...

Good taste! Great disc!

badhorsie777

Oct 16, 2003, 02:26 PM

I know I rambled in my other post, but:

What's the bitrate on audiobooks/interviews/whatever? Anyone bought any?

thanks,
badhorsie777

ebow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by sketchy
I think thatis a font problem on your machine. we have the same problem when taking files from unix. try changing your fonts.

Thanks, that worked. I hate using Arial as the menu font because it's so thin... But then, Windows has never has as system fonts as nice as Mac's Charcoal and Lucida whatever fonts.

The MS San Serif font was the problem (though ellipses appear correctly with that font in any other app) but Arial (obviously) and the nicer Tahoma fonts both work correctly.

Mineral

Oct 16, 2003, 02:26 PM

How will PC users with MP3 players get their downloaded AAC songs onto their MP3 Players?? (i.e. NOT iPods)

wiz7dome

Oct 16, 2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by MorganX
Looks great, performs great. Haven't burned a CD or DVD yet. Much faster on an 800MHz PIII than it was on my 17" iMac. To be fair, it handles my large music library faster than WindowsXP explorer also.

I'm using Windows 2000 without SP4 which it recommends so I'm going to credit that with the two hangs.

All-in-all I'd give it a 9/10. Lack of WMA support is going to hurt though. iRiver's iHP-120 with optical out looks killer. OGG but no AAC. Something's going to have to give. Either someone other than Apple is going to have to give major support to AAC or Apple is going to have to think seriously about supporting WMA and other players.

But, I can play all of my iTMS purchases again, so I'm happy. I'm not sure what I'm going to do regarding future purchases. I'm definitely going to get an HP120 this Christmas.

The fact that Apple did not include WMA support is truly a GOOD thing!! A lot of people who want a portable player think ipod. Those that dont wont an ipod (they do exsist) are thinking mp3 not WMA. Adding WMA only adds legitimacy to the 'other' music services. Not adding support for WMA plus the DRM freedom (yes i know) from the iTunes store will be much more appealing to people than a format that even Windows users hate using.

bertagert

Oct 16, 2003, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Mineral
How will PC users with MP3 players get their downloaded AAC songs onto their MP3 Players?? (i.e. NOT iPods)

They won't.

Java

Oct 16, 2003, 02:29 PM

Hey, did anyone notice that the battery charger symbol on the 3g iPod is different?

Just noticed it after updating the software.

shecky

Oct 16, 2003, 02:30 PM

new game for your iPod too - Music Quiz, randomly plays a song from your ipod, lists 5 random song titles, you have to select the right one before the time runs out (10 seconds)

Mineral

Oct 16, 2003, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by bertagert
They won't.

Well, good luck then, Apple..:rolleyes:

ebow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Mineral
How will PC users with MP3 players get their downloaded AAC songs onto their MP3 Players?? (i.e. NOT iPods)

Who cares? Well, users of those other players may, but Apple sure doesn't. The iTMS is simply a way to add value to the iPod experience (and make a bit of revenue on the side). Since it's the most popular player, and there's now an online store catering to it on the most popular platform, there's even more incentive for others to invest in a 'Pod. :D

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by wiz7dome
Im on a Mac, but more that likely you will have to burn an Audio CD and then re-rip that CD into MP3 files instead of ACC.

Hope this helps

Would it be possible to set up a Virtual Drive and burn the songs to it and then rip them off the Virtual Drive. This would prevent any loss in the audio quality, wouldn't it?

I am not sure if it is possible though

P Rush

Oct 16, 2003, 02:34 PM

Unlss there is a way to convert from ACC, I don't think you can use ACC on any players (that I am aware of). It looks like a marketing tactic by apple to pressure people to buy an ipod rather than competing products. I don't mind, cause the ipod is an amzing device and nothing comes close. everyone should have one. I have had one for a year and a half and its still awesome! and I don't have a fancy shmancy dock or solitaire ;)

P Rush

Lancetx

Oct 16, 2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Mineral
Well, good luck then, Apple..:rolleyes:

No, more like good luck to the iPod's competitors. AAC is an open standard. After today's blockbuster announcements, I'm sure we'll see several new players from 3rd parties with AAC file compatibility by virtue of popular demand from consumers and iTMS customers.

bertagert

Oct 16, 2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Mineral
Well, good luck then, Apple..:rolleyes:

I think its more like, Good luck to the rest of the MP3 players right now.

Apple is selling ipods like hotcakes. I highly doubt the sales are going down anytime soon. Actually, they're going to go up.

ebow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by wiz7dome
The fact that Apple did not include WMA support is truly a GOOD thing!! A lot of people who want a portable player think ipod. Those that dont wont an ipod (they do exsist) are thinking mp3 not WMA. Adding WMA only adds legitimacy to the 'other' music services. Not adding support for WMA plus the DRM freedom (yes i know) from the iTunes store will be much more appealing to people than a format that even Windows users hate using.

But what if they just added WMA playback in the iTunes standalone player portion? That way, any mix-format Windows user (i.e. has MP3, WMA, and now AAC files) would only have to turn to one single app for all his/her listening pleasure.

I'd never want the iTMS to offer WMA content, but allowing WMA playback would give even non-iPod-using Windows users a reason to check it out.

alset

Oct 16, 2003, 02:36 PM

Can anyone check the FPS of iTunes visualizer on their PC and Mac and then post the specs for each? I'm really interested in this as an unscientific benchmark.

Dan

mian

Oct 16, 2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by badhorsie777
I know I rambled in my other post, but:

What's the bitrate on audiobooks/interviews/whatever? Anyone bought any?

thanks,
badhorsie777

Listen before you buy
The iTunes Music Store lets you download and listen to 90-second previews — high-quality 32 kbps AAC files that have been optimized for spoken word content — as many times as you like.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/books/

Stella

Oct 16, 2003, 02:37 PM

iTunes for Windows is pretty impressive. It picked up tunes from other macs and windows itunes flawlessly, and plays well too.

Its far far better than I thought Apple would do.

Well done Apple.

reyesmac

Oct 16, 2003, 02:38 PM

I have been using the Windows iTunes to listen to the songs on the Mac and it works great. It doesnt cause any performance hit on the Mac. Now I don't have to waste processor cycles playing songs on the Mac, I can let my PC take care of that. Although, when my new powermac comes in I don't think I will need the PC for that either.
But for people with older slower macs and a PC lying around, this is great news. Works perfectly together.

badhorsie777

Oct 16, 2003, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by mian
Listen before you buy
The iTunes Music Store lets you download and listen to 90-second previews — high-quality 32 kbps AAC files that have been optimized for spoken word content — as many times as you like.

http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/books/

Oh, sorry... I knew that about the previews, just wondered are the full files in 32kbps as well?

Shoud've been clearer.
-Badhorsie777

greenstork

Oct 16, 2003, 02:42 PM

All I have to say is WOW. I *never* expected the AOL deal or the 100 million song Pepsi giveaway, I was absolutely floored when I read this news.

This will change the way people purchase music. Apple will become a household name as it relates to music, unbelieveable.

Eventually, we'll be the stodgy old people who used to buy CD's, can you imagine? My only hope is that higher bitrate downloads will eventually become available.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

cuchulann

Oct 16, 2003, 02:42 PM

beautiful design but it is a memory hog, 50 megs without visualisations, and it skips when I open up other programs, we are not talking about a wussy computer here either.
Think I will stick to musicmatch for the moment.

Any other experiences?, maybe i should try a wipe and reinstall!!!

Rajj

Oct 16, 2003, 02:43 PM

I just put my PowerBook in the shop, so I have to use my Winbox for a while.
Now I don’t have to use weak azz Music Match to sync my iPod!!!
I love it!!
:D

jayscheuerle

Oct 16, 2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Mineral
How will PC users with MP3 players get their downloaded AAC songs onto their MP3 Players?? (i.e. NOT iPods)

Cumbersome and artifact inducing, but you could burn to CD format and then re-rip as MP3 files.

The value of your spent time may soon be worth more than an iPod, so....

wiz7dome

Oct 16, 2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by ebow
But what if they just added WMA playback in the iTunes standalone player portion? That way, any mix-format Windows user (i.e. has MP3, WMA, and now AAC files) would only have to turn to one single app for all his/her listening pleasure.

I'd never want the iTMS to offer WMA content, but allowing WMA playback would give even non-iPod-using Windows users a reason to check it out.

You have a point, however, Apple may feel that they are FINALLY in a game where they call the shots. There's no need to bow down to WMA. M$ is not in a position to muscle its way into getting a piece of iTunes success. Actually, its may be a cleaver way of giving M$ and WMA the finger:D

Rajj

Oct 16, 2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by cuchulann
beautiful design but it is a memory hog, 50 megs without visualisations, and it skips when I open up other programs, we are not talking about a wussy computer here either.
Think I will stick to musicmatch for the moment.

Any other experiences?, maybe i should try a wipe and reinstall!!!

Get more Ram!!!:rolleyes: ;) :p :D

Catt

Oct 16, 2003, 02:44 PM

Damn you Apple! Damn you!

Why haven't they made iTunes Windows 98 or ME compatible. I run ME (not through choice) and I can't install iTunes!
I am really annoyed - would it have been all that much more effort to code it for ME and 98 as well as XP and 2000?

And will I be able to update my iPod to Firmware 2.1? it said before download that that was also only for XP and 2000?

I am hacked off at Apple at the moment. :mad:

EDIT: OK so I CAN'T update my iPod firmware as I am running ME.

I AM VERY VERY VERY ANNOYED!!!!

Java

Oct 16, 2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by alset
Can anyone check the FPS of iTunes visualizer on their PC and Mac and then post the specs for each? I'm really interested in this as an unscientific benchmark.

Dan
I ran iTunes full screen and it gave me a reading between 70-80 fps—and that is with PS 7 running in the background. All on a G4 dual gig.

Is it just me, or did the speed increase?

-Java

i_am_a_cow

Oct 16, 2003, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by P Rush
Unlss there is a way to convert from ACC, I don't think you can use ACC on any players (that I am aware of). It looks like a marketing tactic by apple to pressure people to buy an ipod rather than competing products. I don't mind, cause the ipod is an amzing device and nothing comes close. everyone should have one. I have had one for a year and a half and its still awesome! and I don't have a fancy shmancy dock or solitaire ;)

P Rush

you might be able to convert it to mp3 using the "advanced" menu with your preferences set to import MP3. i dont know though because i have never bought music off iTMS (too slow with dial-up)

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Rajj
Get more Ram!!!:rolleyes: ;) :p :D

I have 512MB of RAM but iTunes still takes up over 40MB, even AOL doesn't take up more than 25MB, and Opera take at most 30MB with 5 different sites open.

cuchulann

Oct 16, 2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Rajj
Get more Ram!!!:rolleyes: ;) :p :D

I have 1 gig of DDR333, and a P4 2.53ghz, what more can I do, I cannot carry all my mp3's on my ibook it only has a 30 gig hd.
Yeah and the visualisations while fantastic are cruising at about 6 fps on a geforce TI4600

jayscheuerle

Oct 16, 2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Catt
Damn you Apple! Damn you!

Why haven't they made iTunes Windows 98 or ME compatible. I run ME (not through choice) and I can't install iTunes!
I am really annoyed - would it have been all that much more effort to code it for ME and 98 as well as XP and 2000?

And will I be able to update my iPod to Firmware 2.1? it said before download that that was also only for XP and 2000?

I am hacked off at Apple at the moment. :mad:

EDIT: OK so I CAN'T update my iPod firmware as I am running ME.

I AM VERY VERY VERY ANNOYED!!!!

Windows 98?

I don't even think it's compatible with OS9, is it? What was Apple offering in '98, Mac OS 8?

Melle

Oct 16, 2003, 02:51 PM

I've installed iTunes on my winbox, and so far I'm loving it. Can't wait to install it at work tomorrow.

One question though'. I'm listening to the music from my Mac now through sharing, and although everything works fine, I can't see any of the album artwork (it just says "Album Artwork Not Modifiable"). Has this always been the case when sharing music? I don't have two macs, so I'd never used the sharing option before

jettredmont

Oct 16, 2003, 02:52 PM

AmigoMac

Oct 16, 2003, 02:52 PM

Damn you Apple! Damn you!

Why haven't they made iTunes Windows 98 or ME compatible. I run ME (not through choice) and I can't install iTunes!
I am really annoyed - would it have been all that much more effort to code it for ME and 98 as well as XP and 2000?

And will I be able to update my iPod to Firmware 2.1? it said before download that that was also only for XP and 2000?

I am hacked off at Apple at the moment.

EDIT: OK so I CAN'T update my iPod firmware as I am running ME.

I AM VERY VERY VERY ANNOYED!!!!

----------------

They killed the support for those OS ... officially they only support 2000 & XP ... still GUI-IN-DOS
:D

Snowy_River

Oct 16, 2003, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Mineral
Well, good luck then, Apple..:rolleyes:

Given the fact that the choice is between AAC and WMA for DRM protected song files, and that there are a lot of players out there that don't support either of these, I don't think that Apple can be faulted for not providing a conduit to them. And by choosing to stick with the open standard AAC (a.k.a. .m4a) format, rather than supporting the proprietary WMA format, Apple is only doing good things for the market place. As AAC is an open standard, I'm sure that we'll see more players coming out that support it...

Stella

Oct 16, 2003, 02:53 PM

You really expect Apple to support an ancient OS?

Come on, be realistic. Windows 98 / ME, they are old.

Windows XP and 2000 are current.

How many other windows apps require XP/ 2000? Plenty?

Originally posted by Catt
Damn you Apple! Damn you!

Why haven't they made iTunes Windows 98 or ME compatible. I run ME (not through choice) and I can't install iTunes!
I am really annoyed - would it have been all that much more effort to code it for ME and 98 as well as XP and 2000?

And will I be able to update my iPod to Firmware 2.1? it said before download that that was also only for XP and 2000?

I am hacked off at Apple at the moment. :mad:

EDIT: OK so I CAN'T update my iPod firmware as I am running ME.

I AM VERY VERY VERY ANNOYED!!!!

Catt

Oct 16, 2003, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Windows 98?

I don't even think it's compatible with OS9, is it? What was Apple offering in '98, Mac OS 8?

That maybe so but still a large number of computers run Windows 98 and ME.
I am not saying that the operating systems aren't old, just that most software released on the PC is still compatible with all versions of Windows from 98 SE up to XP. I am very surprised Apple have made iTunes only compatible with 2000 and XP and at any rate to the best of my knowledge ME is younger than 2000.

ddbean

Oct 16, 2003, 02:56 PM

Does anyone know how to convert a full library of Real Music Jukebox songs into iTunes on Win2000 PC?

Itunes won't directly, and I don't see how to convert inside RealOne player.

If not I'll have to re-rip my work library into iTunes (which might not be a bad idea either if I get better sound quality)

Catt

Oct 16, 2003, 02:57 PM

In addition Windows 2000 was never aimed at the consumer in the first place, it was a coporate OS for all intents and purposes, with arguabley ME being its equivalent (albeit based on slightly different underlying software). And I would be very surprised if more people run 2000 than Windows 98/SE and ME.

Rajj

Oct 16, 2003, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Dippo
I have 512MB of RAM but iTunes still takes up over 40MB, even AOL doesn't take up more than 25MB, and Opera take at most 30MB with 5 different sites open.

Yeah I know it is memory hog, but it is still better than Music Match (in my opinion)!!

Have you tried to increasing your virtual memory?

shecky

Oct 16, 2003, 02:58 PM

both at fullscreen:

XP Pro, geforce 2 MX 400 64MB- 24 fps
1Ghz tiBook, ATI card 64MB - 30 fps

eduo

Oct 16, 2003, 02:59 PM

I took a few screenshots of iTunes for Windows and thought of posting them here:

http://www.ciateq.net.mx/~eduo/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Misc-200310 (http://www.ciateq.net.mx/~eduo/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Misc-200310)

The screenshots are at the bottom of the album.

deepkid

Oct 16, 2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Stella
You really expect Apple to support an ancient OS?

Come on, be realistic. Windows 98 / ME, they are old.

Windows XP and 2000 are current.

How many other windows apps require XP/ 2000? Plenty?

And with that being said, it potentially pushes up sales of XP for those who won't convert and are on older versions of windows.

MattG

Oct 16, 2003, 03:01 PM

I just downloaded some tunes on my work PC (Win2k). Everything worked flawlessly...downloading, playing, burning...just awesome. I can't wait to get my Powerbook back so I can try using Rendesvouz w/ iTunes over a mixed PC/Mac network.

This is fantastic. A Mac user who has never even used a PC before could sit down at the PC version of iTunes and feel totally comfortable because it's 100% identical to the Mac version.

Buymusic.com -- your days are numbered!

Coca-Cola

Oct 16, 2003, 03:02 PM

I am sure that apple has the artists on their side. Especially after being burned by the olde "napster" service for years. iTunes is artist friendlierist...ist.

wiz7dome

Oct 16, 2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by ddbean
Does anyone know how to convert a full library of Real Music Jukebox songs into iTunes on Win2000 PC?

Itunes won't directly, and I don't see how to convert inside RealOne player.

If not I'll have to re-rip my work library into iTunes (which might not be a bad idea either if I get better sound quality)

You may want to re rip your catalog. Mp3 to AAC may not sound so great.

elmimmo

Oct 16, 2003, 03:02 PM

Most people ripping to AAC in Windows before iTunes for Windows was available were using Nero Burning ROM, or that is the impression that I got when reading through hydrogenaudio.org (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org) 's forums.

Those Nero AAC files seemed to play perfectly fine when using whatever AAC player anyone used except for QuickTime for Windows 6.3, which was reported to create lots of artifacts and hissing. Not that anybody cared, since obviously nobody uses QuickTime as a jukebox. Quicktime 6.4, however, does not seem to have solved that, and iTunes for Windows, hence, has inherited the bug or whatever that is causing that.

So it seems to me that the people that have been interested in MPEG-4 sound and fiddling with it in Windows for some time are precisely the ones to reject iTfW more openly.

Lancetx

Oct 16, 2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Catt
In addition Windows 2000 was never aimed at the consumer in the first place, it was a coporate OS for all intents and purposes, with arguabley ME being its equivalent (albeit based on slightly different underlying software). And I would be very surprised if more people run 2000 than Windows 98/SE and ME.

Sounds like Apple is doing M$ a favor then. Likely it's because of the networking/sharing that is built into iTunes. Not to mention the USB 2.0 compatibility needed for the iPod as well. Integrating all of that into legacy OSes like 98 & ME would have been too much trouble to bother with apparently or else I'm sure Apple would have done so.

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Rajj
Yeah I know it is memory hog, but it is still better than Music Match (in my opinion)!!

Have you tried to increasing your virtual memory?

Virtual Memory certianly wouldn't help matters (this is windows remember). I have virtual memory disabled. I haven't had a problem running out of memory but since iTunes uses so much RAM, it cause it my whole system to be sluggish, but I still have 300Mb of RAM free.

It is Microsoft Windows, so I guess I can't expect too much from it.

Catt

Oct 16, 2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Lancetx
Not to mention the USB 2.0 compatibility needed for the iPod as well. Integrating all of that into legacy OSes like 98 & ME would have been too much trouble to bother with apparently or else I'm sure Apple would have done so.

Hmmmm... not sure. USB 2.0 is backwards compatible with USB 1.0 and seeing as MusicMatch supports USB 2.0 transfer speeds and runs on ME, yet ME doesn't support USB 2.0, indicates that this isn't actually/shouldn't be a problem. Added to this the fact that AFAIK 2000 doesn't support USB 2.0 either and it looks like this isn't at issue.

2000 and XP are closer together in terms of software code so it may just be that able didn't have the time or inclination to develop iTunes for 98 SE and ME as they would require a slightly different code.

mmshrwd

Oct 16, 2003, 03:06 PM

I went, dl'ed iTunes 4.1 update, installed it, and now it tells me "The iTunes Music Library file cannot be read because it does not appear to be a valid library file." I really don't want to redo all my playlists and I don't want it to re-run soundcheck on all those files. Help!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so excited about getting the new iTunes, but I've been shot down.... At least I still get to email all my Windows friends iTunes installers. Hehehe.....

dbunder

Oct 16, 2003, 03:07 PM

i was really looking forward to itunes for windows. using the same program on my mac and my pc to organize my music would be nice. installed it, tried to add my music to the library, divide by zero error. tried three more times, exact same crash. so much for that!

greenstork

Oct 16, 2003, 03:08 PM

simX

Oct 16, 2003, 03:08 PM

One thing that REALLY annoys me is that you can't log into the iTMS without having a credit card.

I don't have a credit card, and while this obviously wasn't an issue before (because there was no other way to buy tunes without a credit card), it is now, since there's now both allowances and gift certificates.

My friend and I tried to test out these features, and it seems that for both gift certificates AND allowances using existing Apple ID accounts (a.k.a. .mac users), you have to have a credit card. If you use your .mac account, you're not allowed to create a new account under that e-mail address -- you have to just "review" the account, which entails entering a credit card.

Therefore it seems the only way you can access and get music through the iTMS without having a credit card is by not having an existing Apple ID or .mac account, or not having the need to use this e-mail address when using the iTMS.

Grr. Minor gripe, sure, but I'd like to buy some music, Apple! :p

weez75

Oct 16, 2003, 03:11 PM

Very cool. My iBook is streaming to my office machine (XP). The office PC picked up the iBook library right off the bat. Very easy, very cool, and very nice.

I don't like to use the PC but at least now I have a little comfort while I'm forced to do so.

bommai

Oct 16, 2003, 03:12 PM

Catt

Oct 16, 2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by greenstork
Speculation is that the reason for ONLY supporting XP/2000 is because of the CD/DVD driver support these OS' offer. 98 and ME didn't have embedded drivers for the multitude of CD/RW's out there but the new Windows OS' do.

I don't see why that is such a problem. If other Music software packages can do it why can't Apple's iTunes? Windows Media Player and Music Match run on most flavours of Windows.
Personally I would prefer to have full iTunes features minus CD-Burning as one can always burn files to CD independently of iTunes if they wanted to; okay maybe it'd be a little less elagent a solution but it would still work.

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 03:13 PM

proglife

Oct 16, 2003, 03:15 PM

Ummmm....

"The Greatest Band in the World....

The Grateful Goddamned Dead!"

Lancetx

Oct 16, 2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Catt
Hmmmm... not sure. USB 2.0 is backwards compatible with USB 1.0 and seeing as MusicMatch supports USB 2.0 transfer speeds and runs on ME, yet ME doesn't support USB 2.0, indicates that this isn't actually/shouldn't be a problem. Added to this the fact that AFAIK 2000 doesn't support USB 2.0 either and it looks like this isn't at issue.

2000 and XP are closer together in terms of software code so it may just be that able didn't have the time or inclination to develop iTunes for 98 SE and ME as they would require a slightly different code.

Yes, but would you really WANT to try and sync it at USB 1.1 speeds? :) Apple tries to stick to making the user experience a good one...and that would be really, really dreadful trying to sync an iPod over that kind of a connection. I'm not sure about Win2k either as far as USB 2.0 goes, I just know it's a no go apparently for 98 & ME.

Catt

Oct 16, 2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Dippo
You are right Win2000 came out earlier than Windows ME, but the code base for Win2000 was used to create Windows XP. Windows ME code base was trashed (because it was the worst operating system ever)

Apple supporting Windows 2000 is only because WinXP is just Win2000 updated. The win95/98/Me OS was ended because the code base sucked.

I am all too aware of the failings of Windows ME :(

Ah well guess I'll just have to live with it :)
Hopefully I'll be able to buy a new Laptop soon...

Catt

Oct 16, 2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Lancetx
Yes, but would you really WANT to try and sync it at USB 1.1 speeds? :) Apple tries to stick to making the user experience a good one...and that would be really, really dreadful trying to sync an iPod over that kind of a connection. I'm not sure about Win2k either as far as USB 2.0 goes, I just know it's a no go apparently for 98 & ME.

of course syncing over USB 1.1 would be utter madness!
I use a the mini-firewire port on my ME Laptop. :cool:

steve-not-jobs

Oct 16, 2003, 03:17 PM

So I have a Mac at home with 10Gb of tunes, synced up with my 3rd gen iPod. At work I have a pc with Firewire cable and a just downloaded iTunes for Windoze.
What I can't see is a way I can transfer the tunes from my iPod to pc and keep both versions of iTunes in sync via the iPod.
Any ideas?

greenstork

Oct 16, 2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Catt
I don't see why that is such a problem. If other Music software packages can do it why can't Apple's iTunes? Windows Media Player and Music Match run on most flavours of Windows.
Personally I would prefer to have full iTunes features minus CD-Burning as one can always burn files to CD independently of iTunes if they wanted to; okay maybe it'd be a little less elagent a solution but it would still work.

I'm sorry but I totally disagree. Apple needs to make sure that this program runs flawlessly. Do you even understand the Pandora's box that would open up if iTunes was compatible with certain CD players or didn't work. They said themselves that this was a trojan horse to get people to switch to a Mac. How does that make them look when it functions like other windows programs, i.e. poorly?

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Catt
I am all too aware of the failings of Windows ME :(

Ah well guess I'll just have to live with it :)
Hopefully I'll be able to buy a new Laptop soon...

I had a laptop with WinME, it caused me so may problems I went out and got Windows 2000 to put on it. Wow, what a difference.

I would have got WinXP but I don't think it could have handled all the extra mess.

It does run iTunes pretty well with Win2000 :)

parrothead

Oct 16, 2003, 03:24 PM

Just downloaded and installed on my PC at work. I gotta say it is so nice to have a little bit of apple injected into my hellish pc work day. :)

NeXTCube

Oct 16, 2003, 03:24 PM

An earlier poster complained of high memory and processor usage under Windows 2000.

Here's a copy of the Task Manager screen from my P3/800 at work (256MB RAM):

http://users.adelphia.net/~a.blackburn/images/TaskMan.jpg

and the iTunes session I was using:

http://users.adelphia.net/~a.blackburn/images/iTunesWin.jpg

My machine was at approximately 11% processor usage at the time, with iTunes using ~20MB of RAM...

jorisx

Oct 16, 2003, 03:25 PM

First thing I did was install iTunes on a big XP machine .... really cool
... totally forgot that it is running on a server and has nou soundcard :D LOL

greenstork

Oct 16, 2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by steve-not-jobs
So I have a Mac at home with 10Gb of tunes, synced up with my 3rd gen iPod. At work I have a pc with Firewire cable and a just downloaded iTunes for Windoze.
What I can't see is a way I can transfer the tunes from my iPod to pc and keep both versions of iTunes in sync via the iPod.
Any ideas?

This doesn't work on two Macs either. Your iPod is linked to only one computer. The music industry pressured Apple to do this from the get-go. The reason being, they don't want the iPod to be a medium for illegally trading music. I would imagine that this would also carry over to two computers, Mac and PC.

That said, there are a number of programs for the Mac that allow you to transfer music from your iPod to any number of other Macs. It will probably be only a matter of time before these hacks show up for a PC too.

billyboy

Oct 16, 2003, 03:27 PM

so where do we go to hear about non-mac pc users´opinion of iTunes for Windows. Tried googling windows discussion groups and came up with nothing like this site.

jettredmont

Oct 16, 2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by ebow
Is anyone else getting bogus characters in the menus? See my screenshot. What's happening is the ellipse characters "..." are being turned into rectangles because of an encoding problem, or something. I may have changed my menu font, but it's only set to MS San Serif (meaning I figured it was a complete font with all appropriate characters).

You need to restart Windows. Your fonts have gotten screwed up. It's not normal to see bolded fonts in the menus.

Usually this is fixed with a restart; sometimes it requires a reinstall of Windows. Not good thing to crop up after an iTunes install ...

Which brings up an important question: If you buy so iTMS music and your PC is one of your three authorized boxes, then Windows does its twice-yearly "Reinstall me or do everything at half speed forever!" demand, do you need to deauth your PC before reinstalling Windows? I suspect you do, which makes the less prevalent but far more dangerous "Reinstall me if you even want to be able to boot up!" demand Windows sometimes throws even more damning ...

I'd hate to lose one of my three computers on account of Microsoft's crappy OS ...

greenstork

Oct 16, 2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by billyboy
so where do we go to hear about non-mac pc users´opinion of iTunes for Windows. Tried googling windows discussion groups and came up with nothing like this site.

slashdot.org (http://slashdot.org/)

sketchy

Oct 16, 2003, 03:34 PM

martijnvandijk

Oct 16, 2003, 03:35 PM

I'll pay you back using paypal or whatever. I just want to try to download my first ITMS song in Europe. To see if it works.

martijnvandijk@mac.com

EDIT: Laurent, a great guy, just sent me a $10 gift certificate. I created an account (I am in The Netherlands, Europe) and 2 minutes later, I downloaded my first ever iTMS song. I am extremely excited

heathpitts

Oct 16, 2003, 03:36 PM

We build pc's where I work and I installed iTunes on a brand new machine today. It doesn't run the visualizations any faster than my powerbook 12. It seems faster on normal load up but then again it didn't have my entire music library either 1639 songs. I will try tonight on my pc at home and load up all my music.

sketchy

Oct 16, 2003, 03:37 PM

tny

Oct 16, 2003, 03:40 PM

Couple of screenshots. The first is of Web radio, the second (in the next post) is of the visualizer. Everything I've tried so far worked: I downloaded two songs from my Mac using sftp and played them, so AAC files burned on the Mac work beautifully on the Windows iTunes.

Running on XP (with 1 GB of memory and a 2.4 GHz P4 ... what can I say, it's a development machine).

tny

Oct 16, 2003, 03:43 PM

Visualizer. The song is Peter Gabriel, Sky Blue, from Up. I had to shrink it considerably for bandwidth reasons.

aafuss1

Oct 16, 2003, 03:46 PM

If iTunes runs only on Windows 2000/XP-maybe the next update for Quicktime drop suppot for 98/ and ME systems. I noticed that the windows version download is around 20mb . And the Apple Australoia website hasn't been updated yet, with information about the new accessories.

aafuss1

Oct 16, 2003, 03:49 PM

formasfunction

Oct 16, 2003, 03:51 PM

Doesn't itunes for mac use the safari rendering engine for the itunes music store? What then is the PC version using? Could this mean that we might see safari for PC in the future when MS IE has ceased to be a stand alone application? Just a thought. I doubt this would benefit apple enough to justify the man power involved.

GulGnu

Oct 16, 2003, 03:57 PM

Instructed my bro to download it over the phone for his Win XP 'puter. Let's just say he was impressed. (Very impressed even.) iTunes will be *so* much better an ambassador on the PC compared to the crippled nag-screen infested quicktime player...

(That's the next stop on the technology path, btw - the QuickTime Videostore =P)

/GulGnu

snahabed

Oct 16, 2003, 03:58 PM

I very much disagree with Apple's decision to not include WMA playback in the Windows version of iTunes.

I understand that they do not want to support a competing standard... that makes total sense on paper. But I just made my two Windows using roommates instaall iTunes.. they thought it was fabulous. I help them add their music to the Library, and lo and behold, it is all WMA. 2000 songs in WMA.

They don't know what WMA is. It is a Windows default for people who don't know better. It would be foolish for him to have two jukeboxes (Real for WMA and iTunes for AAC/MP3), so he will have to delete iTunes.

I really think that allowing WMA playback (NOT encoding) was necessary here to get people to jump ship.

Otherwise, it is completely flawless software, perfect marketing, and in general an exciting project. However, i think Apple should add a WMA playback plugin IMMEDIATELY.

bertagert

Oct 16, 2003, 04:02 PM

I just thought of something for all the people that think Apple should support WMA.

1. How come you say that but won't say that MS should support AAC?

2. MP3 players, same thing.

It seems to me that Apple is the industry leader not only in the music download biz but also the mp3 biz. WMA isn't even a standard. MS windows definitely has a huge install base but that doesn't mean WMA should have 95% of the market too. Maybe you guys should start complaing to MS and the MP3 player companies that don't support AAC, to start supporting it.

That makes more sense to me.

jettredmont

Oct 16, 2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Catt
That maybe so but still a large number of computers run Windows 98 and ME.
I am not saying that the operating systems aren't old, just that most software released on the PC is still compatible with all versions of Windows from 98 SE up to XP. I am very surprised Apple have made iTunes only compatible with 2000 and XP and at any rate to the best of my knowledge ME is younger than 2000.

The deal is not with how old the OS is, but the internal APIs.

There are MANY Windows API niceties which exist in the NT codebase (2k, XP) that never have and obviously never will exist in the 9x codebase (95-ME).

The reasoning behind not supporting ME is thus:

1) Cutting-edge folks, who are generally more likely to both be shopping for tunes onliune and have an iPod which is where Apple makes the money off iTunes, are significantly more likely to have Windows XP than ME, which was widely regarded as an unstable mess of an OS, or Win 98SE, which, while significantly more stable than ME, is still 5+ years old.

2) The APIs they wanted to use were available on Win2k and XP (XP added very few new APIs aside from .NET crapola). Win2k support thus comes relatively "free" with XP support.

3) Physically supporting 2k and XP through tech support is hard enough; supporting the 9x branch of Windows on ANY software more than triples your overall support costs per customer.

So, 2k and XP it is. If you can find a copy of Win2k, I'd highly advise going that route over XP, which adds some flash and sizzle and lots of toddler-friendly colors, but also takes up more resources and thinks it knows better than you more often than Win2k.

NeXTCube

Oct 16, 2003, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by dbunder
i was really looking forward to itunes for windows. using the same program on my mac and my pc to organize my music would be nice. installed it, tried to add my music to the library, divide by zero error. tried three more times, exact same crash. so much for that!

I had the same problem - I installed Win2k SP4, rebooted the machine, then drag & dropped my music files in small groups over to the iTunes window without a hitch.

How many files were you trying to add?

Nicky G

Oct 16, 2003, 04:08 PM

Did anybody catch the fact that out of all legally downloaded music last week, 70% was through iTMS?

Keep in mind that last week, iTunes was Mac-only.

Moral of the story? Apple does not need WMA, is not way behind getting into the music download world for Windows, does not need to support tons of MP3 players...

iTunes + iPod = winning combination

Apple now OWNS the portable digital music player market AND the music download market. If anything, it's the other guys who need to start supporting the standards Apple is using. NOT the other way around.

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by bertagert

1. How come you say that but won't say that MS should support AAC?

Do we really want to play AAC songs in Windows Media Player? Not when we have iTunes. Of course if you already have thousands of songs in WMA, are you going to rerip them just to use iTunes? A normal windows user would say no!

snahabed

Oct 16, 2003, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by bertagert
I just thought of something for all the people that think Apple should support WMA.

1. How come you say that but won't say that MS should support AAC?

2. MP3 players, same thing.

It seems to me that Apple is the industry leader not only in the music download biz but also the mp3 biz. WMA isn't even a standard. MS windows definitely has a huge install base but that doesn't mean WMA should have 95% of the market too. Maybe you guys should start complaing to MS and the MP3 player companies that don't support AAC, to start supporting it.

That makes more sense to me.

Youre right about those points, but you're missing the problem. People may be all cool in starting NOW to rip AAC.. but we have to get Windows users with 1000's of songs ALREADY ripped to WMA to abandon MusicMatch, WMP, and RealOne, to use iTunes.

I think lots of players will start supporting AAC now, and thats great... but there needs to be a way that we don't penalize poor Windows users who didn't know any better by using the default WMA encoding.

Would you re-rip 2000 songs to a new format just to use new software? I sure wouldn't. That would take months, unless you have no life :)

wiz7dome

Oct 16, 2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by snahabed
I very much disagree with Apple's decision to not include WMA playback in the Windows version of iTunes.

I understand that they do not want to support a competing standard... that makes total sense on paper. But I just made my two Windows using roommates instaall iTunes.. they thought it was fabulous. I help them add their music to the Library, and lo and behold, it is all WMA. 2000 songs in WMA.

They don't know what WMA is. It is a Windows default for people who don't know better. It would be foolish for him to have two jukeboxes (Real for WMA and iTunes for AAC/MP3), so he will have to delete iTunes.

I really think that allowing WMA playback (NOT encoding) was necessary here to get people to jump ship.

Otherwise, it is completely flawless software, perfect marketing, and in general an exciting project. However, i think Apple should add a WMA playback plugin IMMEDIATELY.

I really dont follow your logic. I understand that windows users may use WMP by defult, but thats their issue. Keep in mind. iTunes is a FREE APP. If someone wants to test drive it, there's not a net loss. Worst case senerio, users may have to re rip their music. But given the limitations of WMP that may not be a bad idea. Apple's partnership with AOL and Pepsi will go a long way in knocking down M$ WMA as a "standard".

Hell, if nothing else........ya cant please everybody.:D :D

bertagert

Oct 16, 2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by snahabed
Youre right about those points,.....Would you re-rip 2000 songs to a new format just to use new software? I sure wouldn't. That would take months, unless you have no life :)

Good point. From my point of view it went like this: I asked 20 friends about ripping their music. They all replied with, "I rip into mp3". So my theory was not many people even rip into WMA. Of course 9 of them have an ipod so theres no way they would be using WMA.

I guess this is really a tuff call but I'm going to go with my previous posts in other threads. I really do think this has to do with Apple not wanting MS to have yet another "standard" and thats why they won't allow WMA. I guess only time will tell what will happen. I give my vote to AAC and the open standards. Let the best marketing machine win.

snahabed

Oct 16, 2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by wiz7dome
I really dont follow your logic. I understand that windows users may use WMP by defult, but thats their issue. Keep in mind. iTunes is a FREE APP. If someone wants to test drive it, there's not a net loss. Worst case senerio, users may have to re rip their music. But given the limitations of WMP that may not be a bad idea. Apple's partnership with AOL and Pepsi will go a long way in knocking down M$ WMA as a "standard".

Hell, if nothing else........ya cant please everybody.:D :D

Like I said, I think I know where youre coming from, but the idea here cannot be "thats their issue." That is not the best way to convert people to our side :)

I guess as it stands, I will advise them to convert to high bitrate MP3s... I know there will be a degradation in quality, but they didnt even know what a WMA was, so I doubt they will notice.

Maybe Apple should include info or a free batch coverter utility? I am just looking for ways to make the conversion to iTunes easier.

Jookbox

Oct 16, 2003, 04:24 PM

this is really cool. at work i noticed the 'shared music' folder has twice as many users now!

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 04:26 PM

Does Apple allow plugins to be written for iTunes?

wiz7dome

Oct 16, 2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by snahabed
Like I said, I think I know where youre coming from, but the idea here cannot be "thats their issue." That is not the best way to convert people to our side :)

You're right. Maybe a 3rd party could develop a 'batch conversion' app. I dont think M$ will make it easy though. After all.......it is Micro****:D :D

x86isslow

Oct 16, 2003, 04:37 PM

i just tried and failed at installing it.

just cuz i'm too poor to buy my own computer, i'm stuck with a WIN98SE PC- 733 p3 256kram.

to those who say it told you so... i had to try it. it was my last hope of having anything apple (until i get to college)

SiliconAddict

Oct 16, 2003, 04:49 PM

As apple said. They have aprox 30% of the digital audio market. By not supporting WMA there goes god know how many potential customers in that 60%. This may have been the path of least resistance for Apple but may very well come back to bite them in the long run. Never mind the fact that there are still a heck of a lot of users still on 9x. I should have guess this since they did the same for .Mac access utils for Windows. (e.g. XP only.) :mad:

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 04:52 PM

w00t.

I just bought my first song (Dido - White Flag) from iTunes. That was way too easy.

This could become addicting.

EDIT: The song artwork that shows up with the music you buy, is a very nice touch Apple

eric_n_dfw

Oct 16, 2003, 04:52 PM

... till I get home. My work provided Win2k laptop is locked down to where I don't have the rights to install it. (Damn IT support people!)

I did install it on my work G4 thought but our corporate firewall proxies don't allow ITMS traffic to pass through! (Damn network support people!)

:mad:

alset

Oct 16, 2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Dippo
Does Apple allow plugins to be written for iTunes?

Sure, just look at ArKaos Visualizer.

Dan

ebow

Oct 16, 2003, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by jettredmont
You need to restart Windows. Your fonts have gotten screwed up. It's not normal to see bolded fonts in the menus.

Usually this is fixed with a restart; sometimes it requires a reinstall of Windows. Not good thing to crop up after an iTunes install ...

Actually I make my menu fonts bold on purpose. I don't like using the thin standard fonts for my menu items... I guess I'm just too used to the nice thick system fonts on the Mac.

scem0

Oct 16, 2003, 04:57 PM

wow im listening to 'otep' with my brand-new software......

very nice ;).

scem0

SiliconAddict

Oct 16, 2003, 04:57 PM

FYI - I just handed out 30 copies of itunes today at work. :) I'm going for 50 by the end of friday. I've asked everyone to pass it on.

e-coli

Oct 16, 2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Mineral
Well, good luck then, Apple..:rolleyes:

Do you really think Apple would go through the trouble of writing and distributing a FREE program so people could go out and buy another company's Portable Music player?

iTunes for Windows if for selling more iPods. That's the only reason Apple wrote the program.

illumin8

Oct 16, 2003, 05:18 PM

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Dippo
w00t.

This could become addicting.

*Could* be? :D

Apple][Forever

Oct 16, 2003, 05:24 PM

Um, AAC is an open standard, and WMA is not. That's why it's not supported, and why others should support AAC.

I have noticed a huge speed increase on iTunes 4.1 from 4.01. 5 bounces to open, now 1 (from a fresh boot), and the interface is quicker.

I also installed iTunesFW on a Virtual PC WinXP install. It worked fine... my Mac iTunes library showed up automatically in the Virtual PC iTunes window. So... I played an MP3 through an emulator by streaming through a virtual TCP/IP connection. Weird. I guess that's the only way one could stream music without a network connection :)

beardedprophet

Oct 16, 2003, 05:40 PM

I live in europe.

can someone please send me gift certificate...

to beardedprophet@hotmail.com

I would love to buy my first songs from the itms from here from europe.

cheers

$10, I will pay it back by paypal...

edit:

just bought my first songs on itms from switzerland!!! thanks to laurent

litosclone

Oct 16, 2003, 05:43 PM

I just loaded iTunes on Two PC's at work. One has XP and the other has Win. 2000.
The XP machine ran iTunes just fine, It was surreal seeing the apple logo on a windows machine! So, I moved on to the 2000 box. Loaded tunes and the thing won't play the CD's. The Data base receives the tack names, and tunes see's the tracks. But, the speaker icon just moves down the list never playing the track. Strange!!

Fitzcaraldo

Oct 16, 2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by snahabed
Windows users with 1000's of songs ALREADY ripped to WMA to abandon MusicMatch, WMP, and RealOne, to use iTunes.

There are hundreds of WMA to MP3 conveters out there... Even Batch converters. try "Google":confused:

Poff

Oct 16, 2003, 05:52 PM

My room-mate tried out iTunes on his Windose PC, and it didn´t take long before he actually made it his DEFAULT PLAYER! Now he talks about un-installing Winamp. (!!) He also sais it´s the greatest player he´s tried, far better than win-amp. The only thing he doesn´t like is the fact that all his pirated songs without correct track-information is sorted wrongly.. well, noone can have everything..

The Rendezvous-feature works incredibly well btw. All my songs popped up on his computer, and all his on mine. And how elegant, right there with the play-lists.. I´m impressed!

Booga

Oct 16, 2003, 05:52 PM

The site highly implies that any iPod can sync to both Mac and Windows with the new iTunes. Before today, it was very annoying and difficult to sync a Mac iPod to a PC or vice-versa. I'm curious... can I take my non-dockable Mac iPod and sync it to my office Windows machine now?

vanmonkey

Oct 16, 2003, 06:18 PM

McDonalds----------BurgerKing

Coke------------------------Pepsi

Windows-------------------Apple

Makes sence to me

Stike

Oct 16, 2003, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by vanmonkey
McDonalds----------BurgerKing

Coke------------------------Pepsi

Windows-------------------Apple

Makes sence to me

Disney----------------------Pixar

;) just to complete the list!
Sorry for off-topic :o

Jagga

Oct 16, 2003, 06:49 PM

This has definately eaded my windblows suffering immensely!

E-coli did you install as an admin? Hope your ok on your win system now.

Got mine up and running on my dull. This is a god--send Thank you Steve!!!

This just makes me want a PowerMac that much more. Santa better be good to me!

I watched the interview on CNN Headline news with Steve and I was a little pissed off because regarding the case of some dude and Micheal Dell's email wanting shares of some other company.....the CNN interviewer asks Mr. Jobs if he new him or did business with this clown, trying to bait Mr. Jobs into an investigation. Steve cleared that up real quick though.

I'm ecstatic that Apples profits are up as well as sales of PowerMacs, PowerBooks, and iMacs.

10 months is what I give myself from todays date to own a Mac and disown this windows machine!!!!

A Good weeks for Apple!:cool:

ebow

Oct 16, 2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by vanmonkey
McDonalds----------BurgerKing

Coke------------------------Pepsi

Windows-------------------Apple

Makes sence to me

Pepsi?... The brand that has to change its image every 4 months to attract drinkers? And it's hardly the underdog vs. Coke that Apple is with respect to wintels. I think Apple may have gone with Pepsi precisely because they advertise so damn much. And besides, the "Apple" of the burger world would be "Wendy's". Mmm.. :D

crossed-over

Oct 16, 2003, 06:51 PM

So, who's installed iTunes on a PC? Let's have some reports on how well it works!

I convinced my die-hard PC using friend to download iTunes and give it a try, and he did. He has 4,900 mp3's and had them all sorted in folders by genre. He didn't use playlists, but rather, picked out the songs based on genre. For some reason, when he imported the songs into iTunes, it created folders for all the songs, and messed up his genre folders completely. Needless to say, he is pretty upset about it, as that was a lot of work to get them all arranged that way. It will be nearly impossible to find the time to fix all of that. This makes me, as well as Apple look bad. On the bright side, he thinks he has no other choice but to use iTunes with its playlists from now on, but I still feel terrible about it. Has anyone else seen something strange like this?

Miki

Oct 16, 2003, 07:02 PM

I just downloaded iTunes 4 and installed it on my P4 1.9GHz WinXP laptop and I think it's great. It uses even less CPU time than some other players (Winamp 3 aprox. 13-15% , JetAudio 8% , iTunes 5%). It consumes from 11 MB to 25 MB according to TaskManager and after slow 1st start it loads in about 3 secs.

But there are some features that I would like to see in it :

- support for WMA and RealAudio formats. Ok let's not start again with that thing whether Apple should support 'other' music formats , but other players that I've tried played everything that I throwed at them , so this is definitely a minus for Apple. About 10-15% of my music collection is ripped in WMA format and i have no intention in doing that again.

- iTunes has very very extensive playlist management. You can manage songs in playlists by bpm, bitrate, kind, track number, length of artists' d*** but you can't make a playlist which will contain songs from a specified dir and dynamically refresh itself whenever a new file is added. I've looked for something like that and I couldn't find it. Please correct me if I'm wrong! It is a big deal to me as I have few large dirs full of mp3s and sometimes I add a file in it, sometimes my sister , so it is very hard to keep track what is in the playlist and what isn't.

- some MP3 streaming radiostations won't work. Particularly those which use .pls files to start streaming. How could I overcome that?
BTW: is there a 3rd party RealAudio plugin for Mac iTunes?

- I can not add my own favourite radiostations in Radio playlist

- visualizations always start with a Apple logo. It becomes iritating after sometime

- resizing a iTunes window really sucks . Maximizing a window is impossible but after you close the fullscreen visualizer iTunes becomes maximized and you can not restore the previous window position!? Also, doubleclicking on the titlebar widens the window which makes no sense at all.

Other than that iTunes is excellent music player but I am looking forward to v4.2 ...[B]

Dippo

Oct 16, 2003, 07:18 PM

I just found out that I can add artwork to my own songs. This is so sweet. Anyone know if I can get the artwork off the iTunes Music Store or am I going to have to keep getting the artwork off amazon?

jogosz

Oct 16, 2003, 07:23 PM

Well I am not too impressed with iTunes as a music player, but I think when paired with an iPod I would see the beauty of it. I do not understand why they wouldn't play wma files, at least on iTunes. If the iPod ever has a firmware upgrade that supports wma files, I would buy it. All of my songs are ripped in this way.

I wish iTunes showed all songs by artist, then by album, like Windows Media Player. I would have to say I am disapointed, I like Windows Media Player better. I hope new versions have a little more functionality. I know Macs have always been simplistic, but us Windows users can handle a few more options!

jelwell

Oct 16, 2003, 07:26 PM

Two things:

First off, all those itunesdl, ileech, iSlurp don't work on iTunes 4.1. Maybe that's banned discussion in this forum, but I like to use the apps to share music with my roommates. Sure they could walk to my room and grab my cd, but it's easier to just let them pull them off my mac. Probably just a matter of time for those apps to be updated though.

Second, doesn't iTunes on the Mac use Safari/AppleWebKit for it's rendering engine? Did Apple port it to Windows for iTunes on windows? Are we going to see Safari on windows?

One last thing, I have to cry a little since now my window's friends are starting to get some of the benefits of owning a Mac without actually buying one. :(
joe.

vanmonkey

Oct 16, 2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by crossed-over
So, who's installed iTunes on a PC? Let's have some reports on how well it works!

I convinced my die-hard PC using friend to download iTunes and give it a try, and he did. He has 4,900 mp3's and had them all sorted in folders by genre. He didn't use playlists, but rather, picked out the songs based on genre. For some reason, when he imported the songs into iTunes, it created folders for all the songs, and messed up his genre folders completely. Needless to say, he is pretty upset about it, as that was a lot of work to get them all arranged that way. It will be nearly impossible to find the time to fix all of that. This makes me, as well as Apple look bad. On the bright side, he thinks he has no other choice but to use iTunes with its playlists from now on, but I still feel terrible about it. Has anyone else seen something strange like this?
Hell, dude can browse by genre anyway. I guess his hard work worked well enough for his crazy backwards pc world, but now he sees the light and everything is cool!

donco

Oct 16, 2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by jogosz
I wish iTunes showed all songs by artist, then by album, like Windows Media Player.

If it is like the Mac version, you can just drag the Artist column (or any other one) to the left (or wherever). There are also lots of other columns that may be shown... try right-clicking on any of the column headings to see a menu.

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Dippo
I just found out that I can add artwork to my own songs. This is so sweet. Anyone know if I can get the artwork off the iTunes Music Store or am I going to have to keep getting the artwork off amazon?

The best place I've found for artwork is allmusic.com.

Rower_CPU

Oct 16, 2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by jelwell
Two things:

First off, all those itunesdl, ileech, iSlurp don't work on iTunes 4.1. Maybe that's banned discussion in this forum, but I like to use the apps to share music with my roommates. Sure they could walk to my room and grab my cd, but it's easier to just let them pull them off my mac. Probably just a matter of time for those apps to be updated though.

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Well sharing still works within a subnet, so anyone on your home network can still play your tunes.

DakotaGuy

Oct 16, 2003, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by simX
One thing that REALLY annoys me is that you can't log into the iTMS without having a credit card.

I don't have a credit card, and while this obviously wasn't an issue before (because there was no other way to buy tunes without a credit card), it is now, since there's now both allowances and gift certificates.

My friend and I tried to test out these features, and it seems that for both gift certificates AND allowances using existing Apple ID accounts (a.k.a. .mac users), you have to have a credit card. If you use your .mac account, you're not allowed to create a new account under that e-mail address -- you have to just "review" the account, which entails entering a credit card.

Therefore it seems the only way you can access and get music through the iTMS without having a credit card is by not having an existing Apple ID or .mac account, or not having the need to use this e-mail address when using the iTMS.

Grr. Minor gripe, sure, but I'd like to buy some music, Apple! :p

I don't use credit cards, but I have a Visa Check/ATM Card that works well for this purpose. If you have a checking account ask your bank for a Check Card. It works just like a credit card without the bills. Well you have to have money in the account, but I prefer to spend what I have. Got into enough credit problems with credit cards back in my college days and am not going back...

darndog

Oct 16, 2003, 08:11 PM

Just about now Bill is discovering that iTunes won't play his DRM'd music library and he's gonna have to import the whole thing again to enjoy the best jukebox software on Windows...

dD

darndog

Oct 16, 2003, 08:22 PM

I wish iTunes showed all songs by artist, then by album, like Windows Media Player. I would have to say I am disapointed, I like Windows Media Player better. I hope new versions have a little more functionality. I know Macs have always been simplistic, but us Windows users can handle a few more options!

I don't know how WMP displays but in iTunes just click the browse button (looks like an eye) which allows you to sort by Genre, Artist or Album. You can also remove (or add) the Genre column from iTunes 'general' preferences pane.

dD

SBG88

Oct 16, 2003, 09:21 PM

The itunes software is for people that own an ipod. iTunes is not for every windows owner. Apple does not give a crap about people that have wma files. Why should they?

Danger! Will

Oct 16, 2003, 09:35 PM

I downloaded iTunes today for my Xp/Linux machine.
It was the first time i've ever used iTunes. I can't believe how easy it is to use. I used to *borrow* music from Kazaa because it wasn't offered by any pay service. But now I can find all my cool 80's music and all my dance music. There's no reason for me to *borrow* music anymore.

legacyb4

Oct 16, 2003, 09:36 PM

I think he meant other than sharing by streaming... ;)

Having said that, if shared streaming across platforms is this effortless, who really cares WHERE the actual music file resides_

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Well sharing still works within a subnet, so anyone on your home network can still play your tunes. ;)

vmagdic

Oct 16, 2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by donco
If it is like the Mac version, you can just drag the Artist column (or any other one) to the left (or wherever). There are also lots of other columns that may be shown... try right-clicking on any of the column headings to see a menu.

Actually, I don't think this will solve the problem because iTunes (mac) doesn't appear to let you move the "Song Name" column. It forces it as the first column in the view. Just tried it. weird.

I assume the windows version works the same and doesn't let you move it.

jkojima

Oct 16, 2003, 09:50 PM

Has anybody else found iTunes for Windows to be buggy?

In using it to play audio CDs, it did an extremely annoying playback stutter with one of my CD drives (that native PC programs never had a problem with). Also, I find I have to relaunch the program in order for the track information to update for any inserted audio CD.

Aside from that, I think it's a fantastic idea and I'm happy it's around for the PC now, as I'm a dual-platform user.

JGowan

Oct 16, 2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by snahabed
Would you re-rip 2000 songs to a new format just to use new software? I sure wouldn't. That would take months, unless you have no life :) Yes. In fact, many thousands of Mac users are in the middle of doing just this. ITunes 1, 2 & 3 came and we all loved it and were busy ripping our mp3s.

Then iTunes 4 came out with AAC. We heard a file that sounded just as good at 128kbps as our mp3s at 192kbps and we saw that, while it would take a while, it was worth getting our HD space back while keeping our sound quality at the same time.

My daunting task, you ask? I had 7,000+ songs when iTunes 4 came out.

Windows users can deal with it. I did.

vmagdic

Oct 16, 2003, 10:04 PM

when he imported the songs into iTunes, it created folders for all the songs, and messed up his genre folders completely. Needless to say, he is pretty upset about it, as that was a lot of work to get them all arranged that way. It will

I doubt there is any way to "undo" this. But it's worth noting that you can set iTunes so that it leaves your folders alone, and doesn't try to mess with them.

Preferences->Advanced

then uncheck the "Keep iTunes Music Folder Organized" option.

vmagdic

Oct 16, 2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by vanmonkey
Hell, dude can browse by genre anyway. I guess his hard work worked well enough for his crazy backwards pc world, but now he sees the light and everything is cool!

I can appreciate both sides of this one. I switched from windows to Mac nearly a year ago, and one of the toughest things for me to "let go of" was the desire to manually organize all my folders. I recall my horror when I moved my music library onto the Mac and now iTunes "reworked" it for me -- not to mention how iPhoto created a seemingly incomprehensible folder structure out of my photos.

In fairness, a lot of windows app's "encourage" you to get down and dirty with the filesystem so its understandable that windows users would have this behavour :)

Since moving to the Mac, I've come to appreciate that it doesn't really matter where my music file is located because I can work with it a higher level (for example, using metadata in iTunes).

Rower_CPU

Oct 16, 2003, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by legacyb4
I think he meant other than sharing by streaming... ;)

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Not unless his roommates live in another house. ;)

cevin

Oct 16, 2003, 10:22 PM

When will QuickTime Movie Store open then? In a year? two years time? 10 years time? never?

just curious.

Doctor Q

Oct 16, 2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by cevin
When will QuickTime Movie Store open then? In a year? two years time? 10 years time? never?

just curious. Apple's world moves at Internet speed, so it'll be sooner than we all think. I'll say a year.

markie

Oct 16, 2003, 10:53 PM

Unfortunately, I'm a Windows user :( When I bought this computer, I liked Windows better because of the game support (which I just don't care about anymore)... and I can't afford a new one yet. I downloaded 20 songs on iTunes for Windows today and am VERY happy with it. Had no problems, it works extremely well, sounds good, is nicer for playing my other files than any other Windows software around, and makes me want a Mac more...

Flowbee

Oct 16, 2003, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by vmagdic
I can appreciate both sides of this one. I switched from windows to Mac nearly a year ago, and one of the toughest things for me to "let go of" was the desire to manually organize all my folders. I recall my horror when I moved my music library onto the Mac and now iTunes "reworked" it for me -- not to mention how iPhoto created a seemingly incomprehensible folder structure out of my photos.

I remember the same feelings when I switched last year. I can sympathize with the Windows users who are upset that their folder structure has changed. Especially if they just wanted to 'try out' iTunes. Perhaps Apple should have left people's folders alone as the default option for iTunes Windows.

alset

Oct 16, 2003, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Miki
- iTunes has very very extensive playlist management. You can manage songs in playlists by bpm, bitrate, kind, track number, length of artists' d*** but you can't make a playlist which will contain songs from a specified dir and dynamically refresh itself whenever a new file is added. ...[B]

They are called Smart Playlists. Find them under the File menu.

Dan