Logic 8 Studio screen resolution apple 23" 30" display screenshot

[Funky007]

Hi Everyone

I have been using mac rumors for a number of years and think this site is excellent and very informative, however but this is my very first post :)

I am looking to upgrade my whole set up which will include a new display. My concern however is the screen resolution of the display, which will eventually run logic studio.

I saw the new interface Logic studio running on the apple 30" and 23" display at the optimum resolution of the respective monitors.

Does anyone here use Logic with a screen resolution of 1920x1200 on a 23" screen and if so would you be kind enough to upload a screenshot so that I may see it in my natural environment away from the apple store?

I saw logic on a 30" display to and the writing of the fonts in some cases is very difficult to read, :eek: however if anyone uses Logic on this screen size an uploaded screenshot would be so very useful :)

Thanks in advance for your help ;)

Regards
Stephen

[Funky007]

anyone? :eek:

[InLikeALion]

Sorry, i've only got a 20" screen. I know people here have the larger screens and Logic - I don't know why you can't get anyone interested in posting for you. :rolleyes:

[NewbieNerd]

Aren't there a couple of Apple stores in London? Why not just go down there and check it out for yourself? Sounds like a good excuse to go to me! :)

[Funky007]

Aren't there a couple of Apple stores in London? Why not just go down there and check it out for yourself? Sounds like a good excuse to go to me!

I have been to the apple store in London many time, was there a few days ago.

There is a big difference seeing something in store and seeing it in the natural working environments. Screen shots would help me to get some kind of idea of Logic's interface on the different screen size. But doesn’t matter now as I managed to get some elsewhere as full res.


InLikeALion... thanks for your post anyway.

:)

[InLikeALion]

Take a screen grab yourself while in store, and use a webmail service to email the grab to yourself. You could then get whatever screen size and Logic layout that you wanted. Or you could take a thumbdrive in and save the grabs to it.

[gotzero]

Blank template on one 23" with the windows I use most.

EDIT: Sorry, I did not realize it would thumbnail anyway...

[Cromulent]

Full size shot.

[JonasLondon]

Hi, I should be able to help out with Dual-Monitor shots of 23 and 30" soon as well, if only Logic Studio arrives here soon.... :)

[theapex]

I wonder how it feels doing much of anything on a large computer screen. I will be working on a 32 inch LCD monitor (actually a TV) by the end of this week...just can't decide which TV I want to get.

if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.

[Killyp]

I wonder how it feels doing much of anything on a large computer screen. I will be working on a 32 inch LCD monitor (actually a TV) by the end of this week...just can't decide which TV I want to get.

if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.

Erh, you do realise that will be like working on a MacBook Pro screen? Most LCD TVs have a very limited maximum resolution...

[theapex]

Erh, you do realise that will be like working on a MacBook Pro screen? Most LCD TVs have a very limited maximum resolution...

please be a little bit more detailed in your response...I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say.

thanks.

[Killyp]

Basically, the size of a screen doesn't reflect how much 'space' there is available on the display.

A 32" LCD TV will display less information than an iMac display, as the TV display is designed to work at most with high definition video (which isn't exactly very highly detailed in comparison to the output from a computer).

A 30" Apple Cinema Display will have the same resolution as ~4x LCD TVs put together. A 20" Cinema Display will have a considerable amount more 'workspace' than an LCD TV.

A 32" LCD TV may be larger than even the biggest Apple Cinema Display, but everything will appear much 'larger' on an LCD TV as it can't get anywhere as much detail into each inch of it's screenspace.

[theapex]

Basically, the size of a screen doesn't reflect how much 'space' there is available on the display.

A 32" LCD TV will display less information than an iMac display, as the TV display is designed to work at most with high definition video (which isn't exactly very highly detailed in comparison to the output from a computer).

A 30" Apple Cinema Display will have the same resolution as ~4x LCD TVs put together. A 20" Cinema Display will have a considerable amount more 'workspace' than an LCD TV.

A 32" LCD TV may be larger than even the biggest Apple Cinema Display, but everything will appear much 'larger' on an LCD TV as it can't get anywhere as much detail into each inch of it's screenspace.

That does not seem to be the issue when I connect my Mac Book Pro to my 61 inch rear projection TV. So are you sure that your information is correct...do you have any links or anything to back the statement up? just trying to see what's best at this point.

Also, did you know that once you connect the Mac Book Pro to an external display you get another completely different set of screen resolutions to choose from? I just may have to actually take my computer up there and see if they will let me hook it up and see how it looks.

[Killyp]

Yes I was aware of this, and it's not possible that your rear projection TV is displaying higher resolution than your MacBook Pro display, it's most likely skipping out pixels.

A 720p display which run at 1280 x 720, and a 1080p display will run at 1920 x 1080.

A 20" ACD will be higher res than a 720p display easily, and a 23" display will be higher res than any HDTV. A 30" display will run in much higher resolution than that (2560 x 1600).

[theapex]

Yes I was aware of this, and it's not possible that your rear projection TV is displaying higher resolution than your MacBook Pro display, it's most likely skipping out pixels.

A 720p display which run at 1280 x 720, and a 1080p display will run at 1920 x 1080.

A 20" ACD will be higher res than a 720p display easily, and a 23" display will be higher res than any HDTV. A 30" display will run in much higher resolution than that (2560 x 1600).

The 32inch displays that I am looking at buying right now are all running at 1366 x 768 (also 720p)

I am not doubting the resolution issue that you are saying, but how does that automatically attribute (may have just made up a word...Lol) to not having a larger workspace. Or ever a decent amount of workspace?

Why would companies put PC inputs on TVs if there was no real advantage in making that connection?

Even saying that, my initial reason behind trying to go for a larger monitor was the simple fact of making it larger on the screen for me. I can see very well (I guess lol). But the way my home studio is set up the MacBook has to sit too far from where I'd like it to be. I mean it is just on the opposite side of my desk from where I am sitting. If you want to see pictures, I can post. Maybe someone can help me do something different. But I just want it to be larger. Maybe a little more workspace would be good, but that is not my primary reason.

Also, I'd looked at buying the new 24inch Gateway monitor...but that bad boy is $550. And when I thought about the fact that I could almost buy a 32 inch TV for that price....(it seems like a no brainer to me) The monitor can only be used for computer stuff...while the TV could double as a TV and a monitor. And I'd get another 8 inches of screen.

[Killyp]

Post pictures of your studio. It may be worth doing a bit of moving-things-around. I did this recently and found things were much better (sonically as well as workspace usability).

[theapex]

would I need to post them somewhere else first? or can I just attach them on here somehow?

[Killyp]

Yes, you can attach them directly to the forum. If they are JPEGs they can be up to 1.14 mb.

Scroll down and click the 'manage attachments' button in the boxed area below the 'Reply To Thread' box. You can upload up to 5 images at the same time. They will automatically appear below your post =]

[theapex]

hey my man, it keeps on saying file failed to upload....any other options.

[Killyp]

Imageshack (http://imageshack.us) is a good way of doing it. Paste in the 'show image on forums' text into a post here in this thread (I think it's labelled as that anyways, it's relatively obvious).

[theapex]

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[killmoms]

and a 23" display will be higher res than any HDTV.

Only vertically. A 23" or 24" display for a computer is nearly always 1920 x 1200, and a 1080p HDTV is 1920 x 1080. So yes, it has 120 more lines on the screen, but the horizontal width is the same. Your statement is a bit disingenuous.

Other than that I have no qualms. :p

[Adrien Baker]

I am not doubting the resolution issue that you are saying, but how does that automatically attribute (may have just made up a word...Lol) to not having a larger workspace. Or ever a decent amount of workspace?


The "resolution issue" he is saying directly attritibutes to why you wouldn't have as much work space. It's simple. It's math!

Now if you're just blind an need to see a BIGGER picture, but not as much usable space, ableit smaller--then fine.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_resolution

Adrien

[Killyp]

A much better investment than a new display would be a sensibly sized MIDI controller, something from M-Audio or Alesis. Put this on your sliding drawer under the table (so choose one that fits snugly) and move the MBP towards you. I'd also put the speakers the 'normal' way up, at that kinda distance you want to try and align the drivers vertically if possible, and get them as far apart as possible (standing upright and a smidge further apart should help).

Move the Roland onto a stand behind the Korg and get them all MIDI'd up if they aren't already (an M-Audio Midiman 2x2 should do the trick).

[theapex]

I feel you...well at least kinda. What do you mean "sensibly" sized MIDI controller. That is what I am using the Roland for. My parents bought me that for like my 13th Birthday. (I am 26 now) and it was my first "real" keyboard...meaning no internal speakers...

I was very glad to finally be able to have some use for it. If I was to buy another midi controller, then I'd have no use at all for the Roland. It also, made my parents pretty happy when I told them that I'd finally incorporated it back into my setup.

The reason the speakers are turned side ways was do to some information I read (plus every sings picture of studio's that I seem to see...(at least I think)) has them sideways. The information I have read (up to about 5 minutes ago) has been saying to lay them horizontally. Something about the high sounds being on the outer most side of the sweet spot and the mid to low frequencies being on the inside.

May I ask why you would suggest them be vertical (other than the space issue).

My Tascam 1082 should be here in the mail on Thursday. Once that gets here I will need to figure out a way to get everything I have midi'd up together. I will have the Roland JW50, the Korg Triton, and the Roland VS880. I need a way to push play on one thing (the tascam) and everything start playing all at once. And also, be able to control Reason (the sounds, etc.) from both the Triton and the Roland. (I use the Triton when I am playing piano intensive parts of my music cause of the weighted keys.

With all that said...please make any further recommendations that you may have....about the monitor and everything else.

Thanks for your help today.

[Killyp]

The reason I say stand them upright rather than sideways is that they're so close together the comparative difference in size between the soundstage created by the bass/mid drivers and the soundstage created by the tweeters is gonna do some funny things to the soundstage. Stand them upright and prop the front up a little so they aim up by a few degrees only (nothing too extreme).

As far as connecting everything goes - the Tascam has two MIDI outputs, but you could just run MIDI thru from the Korg Triton into whichever Roland is left without a MIDI connection and just run the two on different MIDI channels.

I assume you're running Logic? If so, just ReWire Logic and Reason together. Reason supports multiple MIDI inputs (the last option in Reason's preferences will help you set this up). If you set up your MIDI inputs etc... from the drop down lists, and then go back to the hardware device right at the top of your Reason project, you can choose which BUSes go to which instruments.

You can easily assign the keys on the Tascam to functions in Reason, which will in turn control Logic if the two are tied together.

[theapex]

The reason I say stand them upright rather than sideways is that they're so close together the comparative difference in size between the soundstage created by the bass/mid drivers and the soundstage created by the tweeters is gonna do some funny things to the soundstage. Stand them upright and prop the front up a little so they aim up by a few degrees only (nothing too extreme).

As far as connecting everything goes - the Tascam has two MIDI outputs, but you could just run MIDI thru from the Korg Triton into whichever Roland is left without a MIDI connection and just run the two on different MIDI channels.

I assume you're running Logic? If so, just ReWire Logic and Reason together. Reason supports multiple MIDI inputs (the last option in Reason's preferences will help you set this up). If you set up your MIDI inputs etc... from the drop down lists, and then go back to the hardware device right at the top of your Reason project, you can choose which BUSes go to which instruments.

You can easily assign the keys on the Tascam to functions in Reason, which will in turn control Logic if the two are tied together.

cool (i think), now that we have that out of the way, what about the monitor?

[Killyp]

I'd get some other stuff first, which will help more, such as room treatement. Some bass traps etc... will really help with your mixes/being able to hear what's going on.

Either that, or get a desktop Mac. I don't like using my laptop for recording, desktops are much nicer.

[theapex]

I'd get some other stuff first, which will help more, such as room treatement. Some bass traps etc... will really help with your mixes/being able to hear what's going on.

Either that, or get a desktop Mac. I don't like using my laptop for recording, desktops are much nicer.

dang dude you done gone a complete nother direction!!! LOL... you need to view my other recent thread about what, if any, other equipment I need. here is a link check it out.http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=457321


anyway, to respond to your post...there is NO WAY I AM TREATING A ROOM AND I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT. bass traps??? have no idea. And the statement about desktop macs vs laptops is complete opinion. There is no way a desktop mac is any where in my budget. I am just about at the end of the building of my home studio (which you will see in the other thread).

I have just really been considering getting a new display cause of what I go through during long periods of working through the mac.

I want to get back on the subject of the resolution and how it is going to affect me negatively if I buy a TV.

[theapex]

by the way, I hooked up my mac book pro to my 61 inch JVC HD-ILA series TV and it looks pretty good if I must say. Only BIG problem is that I can't see the toolbar that is at the top of the screen when you open a program (file, edit, tools, etc...) and I also can not see the very bottom of my desktop. I am running Widows in parallel mode and my start button and windows toolbar is down there....any idea how to get around that?

I am taking my laptop to BestBuy tonight and going to hook up my laptop to one of the 32 inchers...and see how it comes out on there.

keep sending the comments though. You are really giving me alot of things to think about.

[Killyp]

Fair enough. Basically:

If you buy an LCD TV, you will get a far lower screen resolution than if you buy an LCD computer monitor for the same money.

[theapex]

Fair enough. Basically:

If you buy an LCD TV, you will get a far lower screen resolution than if you buy an LCD computer monitor for the same money.

Well, this is what I ended up getting. Please check out the specs and let me know what you think.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8739118&type=product&id=1201913867539

[Killyp]

Good move, it should do the job perfectly.

[theapex]

Good move, it should do the job perfectly.

TOO BAD IT WAS BROKEN OUT OF THE BOX.

[Killyp]

That sucks. If you manage to get a working one though it should work great...

[theapex]

That sucks. If you manage to get a working one though it should work great...

yeah I sure hope so... OH yeah...when I took it messed up, it just messed me all up in the head. This is my replacement monitor

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8725828&type=product&id=1201306785628
(http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8725828&type=product&id=1201306785628)

You try and support the good name brands, and you see how they do you...so I am going with one of the smaller guys...

should be a solid product.