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queuecipher
Jan 23, 2008, 10:20 PM
Is it true that you can't import music with remote disc on the MacBook Air?



queuecipher
Jan 24, 2008, 07:41 AM
I found this by Doug Aamoth on crunchgear.

"... can put a DVD in my regular computer, plop down in the living room, and watch the movie on my MacBook, right? No, you can’t. It needs to be fully transferred first.

What about games? Can I play a game that needs to access the CD or DVD for copyright purposes and/or to load new levels as the game progresses? Again, no. It doesn’t work like that. You’d have to dump the entire disc onto your hard drive and then use some sort of disc drive emulator — not an overly easy proposition for most folks."

Still nothing about importing a disc into itunes though...

clayj
Jan 24, 2008, 07:47 AM
Is it true that you can't import music with remote disc on the MacBook Air?My inclination is to say that this is probably true. You're not actually accessing a CD or DVD; you're accessing a network drive that happens to contain the contents of a CD or DVD. The code for ripping stuff from disc is probably going to want to talk directly to the drive, not as if it were a network drive. That means no ripping, no watching DVDs, and probably no burning files to a remote CD or DVD burner.

queuecipher
Jan 24, 2008, 08:03 AM
Hmm...that's kind of a bummer. Although I could move files from computers using an external hard drive, I would have to format it for windows as my other computer is a pc running xp.

Anybody see other solutions?

clayj
Jan 24, 2008, 08:09 AM
Hmm...that's kind of a bummer. Although I could move files from computers using an external hard drive, I would have to format it for windows as my other computer is a pc running xp.

Anybody see other solutions?Well, you could always install iTunes on your Windows PC, rip your songs there, and then WiFi them over to your MBA. Remember: If you have Remote Disc, that means your MBA and your remote machine both have WiFi. So copying files over once they've been ripped should be easy as cake. (Piece of pie? You know what I mean.)

Oh, and something else you should look into is Microsoft's RDC client for the Mac. It lets you take over a Windows PC from your Mac and drive it. Go to mactopia.com to download it (it's free).

queuecipher
Jan 24, 2008, 08:12 AM
Sorry, it's early and I may be missing the painfully obvious (also the MBA will be my first mac). If I rip cds with itunes on my windows machine, how do I "wifi" the files over to the macbook air?

clayj
Jan 24, 2008, 08:15 AM
Sorry, it's early and I may be missing the painfully obvious (also the MBA will be my first mac). If I rip cds with itunes on my windows machine, how do I "wifi" the files over to the macbook air?You will need to create a shared folder on your PC, which the Mac can connect to (in Finder, I think it's Tools > Connect to Server). Then you just put the files in that folder, connect to the folder from your Mac, and copy the files. Or you can turn on File Sharing on your Mac and use the Windows PC to copy the files to your Mac. Once the files are on the Mac, you just import them into iTunes.

Sorry if this is a short explanation, but I am at work right now and don't have access to a Mac. ;)

Sky Blue
Jan 24, 2008, 08:31 AM
From WSJ review:

It also doesn't work for installing Windows on your Mac, for watching DVDs, or for playing or importing music. For those tasks, you need an external DVD drive. Apple sells one for $99.

Fezzasus
Jan 24, 2008, 08:37 AM
I'll put it this way.

It wont do anything that iTunes can sell you.

clayj
Jan 24, 2008, 08:38 AM
Well, the WSJ review is obviously shooting for a simple explanation of things.

If you have a machine available to set up Remote Disc on, then you probably can install iTunes on that machine and rip your music there. Once the music is ripped, you just need to copy the new song files over the same WiFi network that Remote Disc is also using.

And you can also install Handbrake on the machine where Remote Disc is installed, and rip your DVDs into movie files there. Once that's done, again you can copy the movie files over to your MBA.

But yes, if you want to install Windows on your MBA, or if you want to watch a movie on disc or play a game that requires access to the CD/DVD, then you will need the external SuperDrive.

diabolic
Jan 24, 2008, 09:21 AM
IIt wont do anything that iTunes can sell you.

Isn't that part of the idea in removing the optical drive? I'm sure Apple sees this as a way to push more people toward buying their music and movies via iTunes. Not really a bad thing in my opinion from a business perspective.

dual64bit
Jan 24, 2008, 09:28 AM
I'll put it this way.

It wont do anything that iTunes can sell you.

Sure, it will allow you to import audio cds, etc. WITH the external drive for $99

Fezzasus
Jan 24, 2008, 09:30 AM
Isn't that part of the idea in removing the optical drive? I'm sure Apple sees this as a way to push more people toward buying their music and movies via iTunes. Not really a bad thing in my opinion from a business perspective.

Oh of course, it makes sense until the next anti-competition lawsuit comes along.

Up to now we have always had the option of using our cds/dvds instead of iTunes. By selling a separate superdrive they can maintain they still give us the option, but have made it much more effort to use a cd rather than download from itunes.

I doubt there is any hardware reason why you can't run a dvd remotely or rip a cd - after all I have streamed DVD quality movies from my networked hard disk without a problem.

clayj
Jan 24, 2008, 10:01 AM
I doubt there is any hardware reason why you can't run a dvd remotely or rip a cd - after all I have streamed DVD quality movies from my networked hard disk without a problem.A hardware reason, no. A software reason, yes.

The DVD Player application and iTunes both expect to be able to talk directly to the DVD or CD drive; when you connect to a DVD or CD drive across a network, it becomes a network drive and that's a whole other way of accessing the data. This is why DVD Player won't let you play a DVD from a shared DVD drive, and why iTunes won't rip music from a CD in a shared CD drive.

Fezzasus
Jan 24, 2008, 12:41 PM
A hardware reason, no. A software reason, yes.

The DVD Player application and iTunes both expect to be able to talk directly to the DVD or CD drive; when you connect to a DVD or CD drive across a network, it becomes a network drive and that's a whole other way of accessing the data. This is why DVD Player won't let you play a DVD from a shared DVD drive, and why iTunes won't rip music from a CD in a shared CD drive.

I don't buy this. You can get network mountable CD drives for backup purposes. If it was a software problem, apple are also a software company and can correct it.

clayj
Jan 24, 2008, 12:54 PM
I don't buy this. You can get network mountable CD drives for backup purposes. If it was a software problem, apple are also a software company and can correct it.Yes, and the backup software in that case doesn't mind that it's writing to a network device, because it's designed to allow for that possibility.

In the case of iTunes and DVD Player and pretty much any other media player application you care to mention (Windows Media Player, RealPlayer, etc.), concepts of playback and ripping are going to be expecting the CD/DVD to be directly accessible as local devices, not as network file shares. It's true that Apple or Microsoft or Real could change their applications to support this concept, but I would not expect them to for a corner case like "I am accessing the CD/DVD via a network."

So it's not that it's not possible; it's that they choose not to make it possible.

queuecipher
Jan 24, 2008, 04:13 PM
i see. the only reason I'm wondering is because I'll be doing electronic music composition. I'm all about purchasing music online, but until these large music services like itunes are able to provide music equivalent to a wav file, I'll still have to use a cd/dvd drive.

but no biggie, as i'll be able to use my windows laptop to do the conversion. Thanks for all your help everybody!

Virgil-TB2
Jan 24, 2008, 04:24 PM
I don't buy this. You can get network mountable CD drives for backup purposes. If it was a software problem, apple are also a software company and can correct it.Yeah, but this is a brand new piece of software that does this kind of miraculous uber-cool thing and you are complaining cause it doesn't do the one thing you want. Your expectations are a little ahead of reality here.

There is a shareware app (can't think of the name right now) for Mac that will allow you to transfer the music from your iPod to a new computer. So you could sync your iPod (assuming you have one) to your Windows iTunes and then plug your iPod into the Mac. Using that software you can copy all the music from the Pod to the Mac. It only takes as long as a regular sync and is a two click operation.

If there isn't enough space on the iPod, then rinse and repeat until all the music is copied over.

Fezzasus
Jan 25, 2008, 05:31 AM
Yeah, but this is a brand new piece of software that does this kind of miraculous uber-cool thing and you are complaining cause it doesn't do the one thing you want. Your expectations are a little ahead of reality here.

Not at all, there are four main uses of an optical drive. Install applications, backup data, rip music and watch dvds.

They are not just things that I want them, many people will want to do the same. I am complaining because apple obviously designed this software to funnel users into using the itunes store for their music and films.

em500
Jan 25, 2008, 06:32 AM
Yeah, but this is a brand new piece of software that does this kind of miraculous uber-cool thing and you are complaining cause it doesn't do the one thing you want. Your expectations are a little ahead of reality here.

Excuse me, but what is so brand new, miraculous and uber-cool about this? As far as I can tell, the only thing new to it is remote booting (which only works for booting OS X, and is kind of a self-inflicted problem on the MBA). For the rest Remote Disc doesn't appear to do anything that a standard network shared DVD drive doesn't. And I don't even need to install a 40MB package and click permission dialogs all the time for that. On Windows, I just right-click the drive, choose Sharing and Security -> Share this drive. I don't have my Mac here right now, but I'm sure OS X can do this out of the box too.

Mr. Eko
Jan 25, 2008, 08:30 AM
There is a shareware app (can't think of the name right now) for Mac that will allow you to transfer the music from your iPod to a new computer. So you could sync your iPod (assuming you have one) to your Windows iTunes and then plug your iPod into the Mac. Using that software you can copy all the music from the Pod to the Mac. It only takes as long as a regular sync and is a two click operation.

Podworks or Senuti? maybe

OS X Dude
Feb 1, 2008, 11:01 AM
They ought to update iTunes and DVD Player (and Finder for burning discs) and allow them to access network drives, else I find Remote Disc useless.

blairwillis
Feb 3, 2008, 09:53 PM
I don't see any reason for a limitation of this sort. If anything, couldn't you use disk utility to mount the remote disc, create a new "local" disc image and rip from there (worst case scenario)?

Matiek
Feb 3, 2008, 10:03 PM
When trying to play DVD using remote disk, have you tried opening the remote disk folder and dragging the TS files from the folder to DVD player? I have movies that I play from Airdisk using this technique. They work perfectly.

ROBARMY
Feb 4, 2008, 12:47 AM
When trying to play DVD using remote disk, have you tried opening the remote disk folder and dragging the TS files from the folder to DVD player? I have movies that I play from Airdisk using this technique. They work perfectly.

It errors out prior to showing any files.... can't remember error :(

jameskohn
Feb 4, 2008, 09:15 AM
The SuperDrive is $99 and it's about the size of 2 cd jewel cases. If you need to carry it around, it will take up about the same amount of room in your bag as carrying a couple of cd's! Otherwise, it can just live in a drawer at your home or office to be used as needed.

Why sweat all that other stuff when you can just plug this thing in and it works like a charm. It's so nice not having to take with you the 99.9% of the time when you're not going to need it, but having it available when you do need it. What a wonderful, convenient solution!

OS X Dude
Feb 4, 2008, 10:44 AM
The SuperDrive is $99 and it's about the size of 2 cd jewel cases. If you need to carry it around, it will take up about the same amount of room in your bag as carrying a couple of cd's! Otherwise, it can just live in a drawer at your home or office to be used as needed.

Why sweat all that other stuff when you can just plug this thing in and it works like a charm. It's so nice not having to take with you the 99.9% of the time when you're not going to need it, but having it available when you do need it. What a wonderful, convenient solution!

But it's still an inconvenience, a flaw. Something I can't bear to see on Apple gear.

I also pin that SuperDrive as the reason Remote Disc won't import CD's, play films or burn discs (possible with 802.11n for sure). After all, that'd make the drive obsolete wouldn't it, apart from those times where no other drive is available.

Course, you could always stick the SD to the bottom of the MBA and argue it has an optical drive :p

Freyqq
Feb 4, 2008, 10:55 AM
Well, you could always install iTunes on your Windows PC, rip your songs there, and then WiFi them over to your MBA. Remember: If you have Remote Disc, that means your MBA and your remote machine both have WiFi. So copying files over once they've been ripped should be easy as cake. (Piece of pie? You know what I mean.)

Oh, and something else you should look into is Microsoft's RDC client for the Mac. It lets you take over a Windows PC from your Mac and drive it. Go to mactopia.com to download it (it's free).

sounds like the best idea

not to mention, streaming it over wifi saves disk space on a small hd. If you want to take the songs with you, just copy the files over after they're ripped on the other computer.

bilbo--baggins
Jan 5, 2009, 08:35 AM
Wow that's bad. I remember the original presentation for the MacBook Air - Steve Jobs made it clear that you could use a CD/DVD drive from another computer as though it was in the MacBook Air. At the time I viewed this with some suspicion because of past experiences.

This seems like a real con. For quite some time it's been possible to access files from a CD/DVD drive on the network - but with the introduction of the MacBook Air they made it sound as though this was far beyond that capability - to behave as though the CD/DVD was actually connected directly to the MacBook Air.

If they had come out and said - you don't need a CD/DVD drive because you can access them remotely, the replies would have been - yes, but what about DVD movies, what about CD's in iTunes, what about DVD discs for games with copy protection etc etc. Their solution inferred that all of these limitations had been taken care of.

clayj
Jan 8, 2009, 05:58 PM
Their solution inferred that all of these limitations had been taken care of.Actually, I think you mean "implied", not "inferred". The solution implied something, or you inferred something.

And I never read it that way, sorry. Although it's perhaps not common knowledge, there are a lot of us out here who understand that there are degrees of usability. Just because I can access a CD or DVD drive remotely does not mean that I can use all of the special technologies (like ASPI) that have grown up around it to increase its data throughput, etc. You have to understand that the amount of data being moved around during, say, DVD playback can far exceed the capacity of any wireless network; so how would you expect that to work wirelessly?

By the same token, as I explained earlier in this thread, programs like iTunes expect to be able to talk directly to the CD drive, not through some intermediary such as a network. You can't rip CDs across a wired network, either.

So although I am more than willing to gig Apple when they do something dumb, this is not one of those cases.

maroquai
Jul 10, 2011, 12:30 PM
SOLUTION...

I originally thought you should be able to burn a CD to your MacBookAir library through using the remote disk from the devices menu in your finder. But no such luck.

The work around, even though a bit odd, is to have file sharing setup on both devices, and simply Add to library --> select the shared computer's library (not remote disk, but the one under the "shared" list in finder.) And connect as the user, using the CD's computers name and psw. Then navigate to the CD and voilà.

Importing is possible.

Sorry if I'm not very clear.

M