Mac OS X 10.5.2 Inches Closer... Build 9C23 Seeded

[vohdoun]

Hmmm.... seems we will have to wait a few more days.... Apple seeded build 9C25 of 10.5.2 (Server Edition) to developers earlier today. :(

It could be worse. Imagine if it was released and it had serious problems.

You have a lot of people wanting and demanding it now, then imagine it was rushed out and then you would have endless people bitching its messed up their machine.

[Neil321]

Now 11.38pm in the UK.....DAM you Apple im off to bed,
but will keep checking 2morrow while im stuck at work
in my Windows gloom

[Kar98]

Waiting For
Your Mac Update
Staying up, it's getting late.
Better have
A Burma Shave.

[arkmannj]

I wonder if the iWork updates that were just released was our sign that no 10.5.2 update would be coming out today.

If the update (10.5.2) is as big as I keep hearing, I doubt apple would want to further clog up their bandwidth with these updates.

[arkmannj]

strange my Apple TV just restarted and is asking me to pick a language...

EDIT: False Alarm, it still has standard menu and says version 1.1
But I don't understand why it restarted itself and asked me to pick a language.

[cogsinister]

Hmmm.... seems we will have to wait a few more days.... Apple seeded build 9C25 of 10.5.2 (Server Edition) to developers earlier today. :(

Oh god...........not more delays !

[arkmannj]

Oh god...........not more delays !

Hay I have an idea.
Apple can release what they have so far (the portion without any issues)
as 10.5.1.5

and release any remaining portions as the final 10.5.2 update

j/k

[newtech]

OS X Server is not always the same build as OS X client, though they are usually updated simultaneously.

[Ti_Poussin]

Hope it fix those issues:
- First key stroke not register
- Disk Utility take forever to repair permission
- Disk Utility can't resize partition, an error occur (external hard drive)
- Disk Utility repair permission can't be repaire (Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/load_hdi" has been modified and will not be repaired.) many like that
- Safari crashing often (memory leak with flash and dynamic content)
- xCode hanging then need a force quit on opening python project and resize the window quickly (I can reproduce this bug at will)
- Grid view of the dock really slow with 35+ item
- VPN doesn't remember password and ask every time (have to go back in keychain, delete it, delete the config and make a new one)
- Wireless drop for no reason, Belkin router (Wireless network was working flawless in Tiger and work flawless in Windows and other machine not on Leopard)
- Preview keep some stuff in memory (open few >150 Mo pdf file and close those files only, preview still take a lot of memory) 4.37 MB and 203 virtual when launch alone, 400 MB and 1.6 GB virtual with few files open, 22 MB after and 814 MB virtual
- Finder still give beach ball from time to time (wasn't this suppose to be one area where Leopard is stronger vs Tiger)

Hope they fix those issue, have report all of them to Apple. But the Disk Utility, wireless and keystroke are the more annoying.

[MrT8064]

OK, its 1.28 AM here in the UK, i am annoyed... and also tired... sadly, i am calling it a night!

[CLuv]

Oh well, I didn't see 10.5.2 happen yet, but we did get some updates. Maybe tomorrow the same little quirk will happen. Does get .2 updates of iWork still count on the prediction of an update today based upon what I've noticed SU to do on a day of updates?

I'm giving Apple 8 more minutes, that will make it 5:00 p.m. PST. I did get an update after 9:00 p.m. EST once before. Crossing fingers......

[asencif]

Hmmm.... seems we will have to wait a few more days.... Apple seeded build 9C25 of 10.5.2 (Server Edition) to developers earlier today. :(

Does anyone have any info on the server build as to what it is going to fix? Is the afp issue being addressed in those builds?

[BWhaler]

Does anyone have any info on the server build as to what it is going to fix? Is the afp issue being addressed in those builds?

I certainly hope so, and in general 10.5 server gets a ton of fixes.

Don't get me wrong, the Server version is vastly less buggy than the client version--whose quality was pretty disgraceful in my opinion--but the server version still needs some serious bug fixes.

It's a server for heaven's sake. It's pretty unforgivable to have many of these bugs.

[spriter]

Sigh, I thought it'd be out by the time I woke up. Never mind, I'll install Vista instead :eek: (OK, that's a bad idea).

[pickledegg]

9.15AM GMT, just checked my software update, no joy yet. I'd have thought a link would be floating around the backstreets of the web by now...

I'm not liking Leopard much, maybe this update will fix that, already had iphoto quit unexpectely this morning. Its getting that they should call it quit ON CUE, or quit TOTALLY EXPECTEDLY.

PS, Hi folks, this is my first post. How are you all?

[Neil321]

9.15AM GMT, just checked my software update, no joy yet. I'd have thought a link would be floating around the backstreets of the web by now...

I'm not liking Leopard much, maybe this update will fix that, already had iphoto quit unexpectely this morning. Its getting that they should call it quit ON CUE, or quit TOTALLY EXPECTEDLY.

PS, Hi folks, this is my first post. How are you all?

Not so good here at work in my windows gloom,checking apples site
for the update every chance i get, ooppps my boss just walked in bye

[picchiant]

Last night I has a dream about the 10.5.2 update!!
it was there!! I started downloading it, but the download was neverending!!! what a
nightmare!

[TheSpaz]

Last night I has a dream about the 10.5.2 update!!
it was there!! I started downloading it, but the download was neverending!!! what a
nightmare!

Wow, I haven't had a 10.5.2 dream in a while. Do you need to be held?

[Icewind]

Not so good here at work in my windows gloom,checking apples site
for the update every chance i get, ooppps my boss just walked in bye

Hahaaa... You and me both buddy :)
I was like you last night Neil... waited up late (well, in my bed with my Macbook) waiting and hoping that 10.5.2 would arrive. 1:30am and I gave up. Closed the lid and drifted off into a disturbed sleep.

Now I'm sitting in a lab at work (Windoes Hell, like you) and checking MR every 5 minutes. Fingers crossed we get this puppy by time we get home Neil ;)

[Sky Blue]

I wouldn't expect it for another 4-5 hours if it does come today.

[riscy]

I used to be like this guys, now I just have a Zen buddhist attitude, I am not stressing or anticipating, it will arrive when it arrives (like spring :) )

[Icewind]

I used to be like this guys, now I just have a Zen buddhist attitude, I am not stressing or anticipating, it will arrive when it arrives (like spring :) )

LOL... That reminds me of an old Chinese Proverb...

"There is no such thing as bad weather.... Only different kinds of good weather"

STUFF THAT.... I WANT MY CHOPPY EFFECTS FIXED lol

[kabunaru]

Somehow, I am feeling that we won't see Mac OS 10.5.2 this month. February 1st is probably the earliest we'll see Mac OS 10.5.2. :(

[TheSpaz]

Somehow I don't think Apple would release an update on Wednesday but, I hope I am VERY wrong because I want my STACKS fixed. Hehe.

[Neil321]

Hahaaa... You and me both buddy :)
I was like you last night Neil... waited up late (well, in my bed with my Macbook) waiting and hoping that 10.5.2 would arrive. 1:30am and I gave up. Closed the lid and drifted off into a disturbed sleep.

Now I'm sitting in a lab at work (Windoes Hell, like you) and checking MR every 5 minutes. Fingers crossed we get this puppy by time we get home Neil ;)

Hi just finished a late lunch break spent it glued to apples site
its now 2.49pm and still no sight off it,this updates turning into
a nightmare.When i get home its grab a sandwich say hi to gf
and nipper and straight on the Mac.Maybe i ought to get out more.

I do hope the above poster who said something about the 1st feb
is way off & we get it today

[Queso]

Working PAN Bluetooth networking would be nice. Unfortunately I don't know how I'm going to get the 10.5.2 update if it is included, as the only reason I need PAN Bluetooth networking is because my broadband is down and I can only use my usage-limited 3G :D

[skyrider007]

Hi just finished a late lunch break spent it glued to apples site
its now 2.49pm and still no sight off it,this updates turning into
a nightmare.When i get home its grab a sandwich say hi to gf
and nipper and straight on the Mac.Maybe i ought to get out more.

I do hope the above poster who said something about the 1st feb
is way off & we get it today

i presume you are in the uk? it's still early morning in california so we still have a chance seeing 10.5.2 coming out tonight. if not, next tuesday should be the target :)

[Neil321]

i presume you are in the uk? it's still early morning in california so we still have a chance seeing 10.5.2 coming out tonight. if not, next tuesday should be the target :)

Hi yes im in the uk, i do hope its tonight ive got all
my stuff backed up just so i can do a fresh install
of leopard,then i'll update from apples site so i get
the whole hog. Here's to wishful thinking as this
next tuesday lark is wearing thin

[Icewind]

"If you (read Apple) build it.... We will come" :D

[MacArchi]

when 10.5.2 finally arrives the clamour to get the download will be unprecedented and will no doubt crash all the servers. Pity we can't pre-order our download like you could pre-order a MBA. (Then find it in shops before your order arrived) apart from the occaisional crashing mail, and Adobe CS3 it is with Maxon C4D that I have biggest headaches. This has to be the most anticipated update in Mac history.....shades of OS8.6. (which very nearly put me out of business) It amazes me as consumers we put up with this nonsense, I think it is because we hope for what we feel we deserve, our loyalty to be appreciated and respected. Any predictions on 10.5.3 - End of Feb 08 perhaps? I have a feeling I will be needing that all the more..

[csalm87]

i have never been this excited about a mac os x .x update, and I don't even have any problems with leopard! i guess i just like being up-to-date :)

[Ant1-Hero]

i really dont needit either, its more the wait,

like waiting for christmas, but when the day comes your parents say "oh well we will have to wait another week before you get any presents" then the next week comes and still "oh your present isnt ready yet, but here you can have a small present to hold you over"

its driving everyone banana's

[writeous]

Saying 10.5.2 is due anyday now is exactly like saying 10.6 is due anyday in my book.

[supernet33]

I wish I had this update now.. What are the chances of them giving it us today?

[Tosser]

I wish I had this update now.. What are the chances of them giving it us today?

Three percent?

[Woody970]

It looks like are chances are slim to none :mad:

[MBX]

Some of you people remind me of that southpark episode where cartman froze himself to endure the long wait until the Wii launch.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1480426832

[petvas]

Actually noone can really tell when Apple will release the 10.5.2 update. We know it is pretty close to release but we don't know how close...
I hope it will be today, but I prefer them to delay the release till its ready.

[Topper]

On the 24th, a member said (in regards to this thread), "This means the 8800GT is likely around the corner..."

I replied back (post #12), "Nope, no thumbs up on this one.
It just means 10.5.2 is delayed even further.
Which probably means the 8800GT is also further delayed."

Rumors had it that 10.5.2 would be released at MWSF.
That rumor was started by MacBidouille. AppleInsider and MacRumors jumped on the bandwagon.

Look at the thread's title, "Mac OS X 10.5.2 Inches Closer...
It's been three weeks since MWSF.
It's been a week since this news article was posted.
Mac OS X 10.5.2 inches closer to what? Christmas?

What is very irritating about the whole thing is I feel like I've been waiting forever for the new Mac Pro to come out.
Apple finally introduces it on January 8th. I ordered it on the 8th.
There is still no word as to when I will finally receive my 8800GT Mac Pro.
I'm not sure but the release of the 8800GT Mac Pro may be tied to the release of 10.5.2.
The glorious waiting game is driving me batty!

[newtech]

SOAP BOX TIME...

Lately it seems Apple has been biting off more than it can chew. Too many hardware products and too many software products competing to be released.

It started with 10.5 being delayed six months so iPhone could be developed and released. Continued with the long awaited release of the new Mac Pro. MacBook Air missed MWSF by two weeks, even though it was announced there. 10.5.2 is delayed, AppleTV refresh is delayed.

And on top of all that Apple stock is taking a beating. Not all are directly related but I think it behooves Apple to consider just how much it can realistically take on at one time, so that many of their markets aren't simultaneously waiting on product, whether rumored or announced.

Just my $0.02

[orthorex]

Update avaialble. iWeb. :(

[csalm87]

now there's an update to iweb. it's only a matter of time...

[Daveoc64]

SOAP BOX TIME...

Lately it seems Apple has been biting off more than it can chew. Too many hardware products and too many software products competing to be released.

It started with 10.5 being delayed six months so iPhone could be developed and released. Continued with the long awaited release of the new Mac Pro. MacBook Air missed MWSF by two weeks, even though it was announced there. 10.5.2 is delayed, AppleTV refresh is delayed.

And on top of all that Apple stock is taking a beating. Not all are directly related but I think it behooves Apple to consider just how much it can realistically take on at one time, so that many of their markets aren't simultaneously waiting on product, whether rumored or announced.

Just my $0.02

I think that's pretty true.

They have too many things going on to deal with - even within the same departments. They have over 10 iPod firmwares to maintain!

[Sky Blue]

10.5.2 is delayed..


Most of what you said is true enough, but 10.5.2 is not delayed! Apple have never given any sort of estimate to when it would be out.

[braidz]

It should julienne fries too. Otherwise it should be priced around $279.

Yeah i think ur right! btw watch my video!!! its so funny

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c3fnqsZuwOk

[hodgjy]

See this latest blurb:

http://macosrumors.com/2008/01/30/apple-seeds-1052-build-9c23-massive-almost-500mb-release-drawing-near/

From what I gather, Apple is preparing for the huge bandwidth hit as well as making sure 10.5.2 is a solid release.

[Daveoc64]

Maybe the trickle of app updates claiming "Mac OS X Compatibility" improvements is related to what that Article says about the size issue.

Splitting things will mean users can download it easier and may not need to download certain things at all.

[alw4416]

"the final release of 10.5.2 will most likely come around build 9C40 and should arrive well before the end of February — quite possibly in as little as two weeks"

WTF!!!!!!!!!!?????????

[cogsinister]

"the final release of 10.5.2 will most likely come around build 9C40 and should arrive well before the end of February — quite possibly in as little as two weeks"

WTF!!!!!!!!!!?????????

GROAN !!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

[Mindflux]

GROAN !!!!!!!!!!!!! :(



"ZOMG FEBRUARY IS THE SHORTEST MONTH OF THE YEAR (EVEN WITH LEAP YEAR AKA THIS YEAR) I CAN'T WAIT UP TO 29 MORE DAIZ!!!LOL!one!1"

[newtech]

"the final release of 10.5.2 will most likely come around build 9C40 and should arrive well before the end of February — quite possibly in as little as two weeks"

WTF!!!!!!!!!!?????????

The latest seed, 9C25 was monday and had "no known issues" as 9C20 and 9C23 also had "no known Issues". I find it hard to imagine Apple is going to blow through 10+ builds in the next few weeks when supposedly everything works reasonably.

[cogsinister]

The latest seed, 9C25 was monday and had "no known issues" as 9C20 and 9C23 also had "no known Issues". I find it hard to imagine Apple is going to blow through 10+ builds in the next two weeks when supposedly everything works reasonably.

God, i hope so................

[Techguy172]

This is really pissing me off just get the damn update out.

[IT-Pro]

In my opinion, what they are announcing is not entirely true.

First of all they mention bandwith problems as a cause for the delay. This just not seems right. Why? Well, because Apple doesn't use their own servers for file serving, they use Akamai instead, which has plenty of bandwith capacity, approximately 2000 Gbit, and uses servers all around the world.
So bandwith shouldn't be much of a problem, I suppose.

For example they served the Windows Vista Beta's, both 32-bit and 64-bit versions which were 2 or 3 GB's each. That didn't result in any bandwith problems as far as I know. Why should an update of approximately 500 MB be such a great deal?

Therefore, 500 MB is pretty much for an update. Normally the size of an update varies between architectures (Intel, PowerPC) and the testbuilds contain a bunch of debugging code. If the normal update will be around 500 MB, the combo and delta updates have to be much bigger instead, they're always.

Second, I think it's pretty strange they announce a testbuild (9C23) which was "released" 6 or 7 days ago and then claim they know the update will be further expanded and delayed.
At the moment, as far as we know, no "known issues" are present and no new OS X client seed has been released. They actually released a OS X Server seed (9C25) yesterday of which are no known details.

This could be reason enough to assume they're pretty near to a release. Usually they release both Server and Client on the same day, so when they release a Server seed, they have to postpone the client as well.

I encourage Apple to take their time for this update, but I think a 10.5.2 release is pretty near. I would say Friday afternoon (EST). I think they'll release a couple of normal software updates tomorrow to be ready for the big release the next day.

Of course, I could be wrong but I just not think the source is right about this.

[hodgjy]

Good post. I hope you're right! I'm sick of waiting for my few Leopard bugs to be squashed. Are they show stoppers? No, but I'd like them fixed soon.



In my opinion, what they are announcing is not entirely true.
[...]

[ErikAndre]

It seems the folks over at Apple are a bit stretched thin... this is delayed, that is delayed... everything is delayed. I guess with a MacBook Air rushing to the door for release and then a new MacBook Pro around the corner, everything is on hold.

[MBX]

It seems the folks over at Apple are a bit stretched thin... this is delayed, that is delayed... everything is delayed. I guess with a MacBook Air rushing to the door for release and then a new MacBook Pro around the corner, everything is on hold.

Agree. They need to get more aggressive with hiring software people.

[ErikAndre]

Agree. They need to get more aggressive with hiring software people.

I mean, with the iPhone, they had to delay Leopard a whole 6 months or so from the original date. I'm not complaining, Im glad I finally have Leopard... it would just seem they have people for this kind of divided attention.

[newtech]

Perhaps Apple should dust off the old Claris division and keep in house staff employed on Firmware and OS X only.

[Spike Lightfoot]

"the final release of 10.5.2 will most likely come around build 9C40 and should arrive well before the end of February — quite possibly in as little as two weeks"

What is this, a Dilbert strip? Already planning around the bugs you haven't yet discovered, are you Apple? This source sounds like he's talking nonsense.

Reminds me of a girlfriend I once had, who said, "I'll probably be married twice." Pity the poor first husband.

[kabunaru]

Apple sure likes to annoy us with this waiting...

[iCeFuSiOn]

Apple sure likes to annoy us with this waiting...
Would you rather have a broken update instead of a fully tested release?

[alw4416]

What is this, a Dilbert strip? Already planning around the bugs you haven't yet discovered, are you Apple? This source sounds like he's talking nonsense.

Reminds me of a girlfriend I once had, who said, "I'll probably be married twice." Pity the poor first husband.

Hey, its an excerpt from the link in the post above mine... Reminds me of a girlfriend I had that didn't pay much attention and then stuck her foot in her mouth.

[Correia]

STUPID UPDATE!!! When are you going to come out!!! DAMN YOU STEVE JOBS AND YOUR DENIM JEANS!! :apple:

[chunkdude]

i just checked for updates now and theres an update for iweb. to be honest i dont even know what that is.

[Neo110503]

I'm going through withdrawal, i downloaded a trial of iWork '08 just so i could get the update. :eek:

[drrich2]

Would you rather have a broken update instead of a fully tested release?

I was pondering that earlier today. I decided that I'd take my MacPro shipped with it, IF that's an issue delaying the MacPro (lot of controversy about that one), and the 'broken' aspect was simply a matter of a few glitches affecting a small minority of the market, IF the update was optional & the glitches (where known) were admitted up front.

I'm thinking at this late stage, they're mostly known or affect a small minority of users, and can be fixed with a subsequent update.

Richard.

[pyramid6]

Would you rather have a broken update instead of a fully tested release?

I'll take it broken. Odds are the broken parts won't affect me, or I can work around them.

P6

[kaiwai]

I'm going through withdrawal, i downloaded a trial of iWork '08 just so i could get the update. :eek:

LOL - then again, for me I've given Office 2008 a week, and I officially hate it; iWork simply rocks my socks. Does everything I need, and does it alot nicer, simpler and faster - when you consider all the issues with Office 2008 right now.

[picchiant]

without this update we have no life! but we have ilife!
with this update we want a free world without windows and gates..

:p

[sunfast]

I mean, with the iPhone, they had to delay Leopard a whole 6 months or so from the original date. I'm not complaining, Im glad I finally have Leopard... it would just seem they have people for this kind of divided attention.

Call me cynical but I bet Leopard was going to be delayed anyway - OSs always are! And the iPhone was an exceedingly convenient excuse...

[ErikAndre]

Call me cynical but I bet Leopard was going to be delayed anyway - OSs always are! And the iPhone was an exceedingly convenient excuse...

Very true. What I'm getting at is that there's all these things on the table:

1) 10.5.2
2) MacBook Air Release
3) MacBook Pro Release
4) :apple:TV "Take 2" Update
5) 8800GT
6) iPhone SDK
etc...

Perhaps more time really is needed, but it just seems there's a lot on the table to focus on that was partly promised at MWSF.

[Kilamite]

Let's not forget Apple isn't a small company with just 10 programmers and designers. It has a huge team - having a lot of products awaiting updates/releases shouldn't matter if the team is big enough.

I've heard it loads of times, 10.5.2 is going to be the biggest OSX update ever. Makes me think there is more to this update than just a few bug fixes. Seems like Leopard was released prematurely, and this is the final slab.

Here's hoping for a Friday release.

[TheSpaz]

I don't think we'll see it today... probably Friday on the 1st of February.

[kaiwai]

Let's not forget Apple isn't a small company with just 10 programmers and designers. It has a huge team - having a lot of products awaiting updates/releases shouldn't matter if the team is big enough.

I've heard it loads of times, 10.5.2 is going to be the biggest OSX update ever. Makes me think there is more to this update than just a few bug fixes. Seems like Leopard was released prematurely, and this is the final slab.

Here's hoping for a Friday release.

According to the widget its now quarter to 6 in Apple head quarters on Thursday. I'd say that they'll look through, see if there are any screams of anguish from the bug testers, and then push it off to download land for all us unwashed masses.

[cubbie5150]

I'll take it broken. Odds are the broken parts won't affect me, or I can work around them.

P6

Yep...& besides, according to many people, 10.5.0 was released "broken" anyway....

[zorinlynx]

We're all so pathetic, doing nothing but sitting here waiting for this update. (including myself)

I suggest we all just forget about it for a while, and distract ourselves with something else. (I'm getting sushi for lunch today, for instance, with coworkers)

If you don't think about it all the time, the update will seem to come sooner. Trust me!

Anyway, I'm off, happy updates when we get there!

[ErikAndre]

We're all so pathetic, doing nothing but sitting here waiting for this update. (including myself)

I suggest we all just forget about it for a while, and distract ourselves with something else. (I'm getting sushi for lunch today, for instance, with coworkers)

If you don't think about it all the time, the update will seem to come sooner. Trust me!

Anyway, I'm off, happy updates when we get there!

Distractions work! They really do. Then a few months go by, we look at the clock and only 3 hours have passed. Reality hits us again and we come looking back to MacRumors to see if anything new has posted. Then check Page 2. Nothing. Crap. Then we check the forums to moan and groan and see if anyone knows anything and blast them for speculating too much.

Yep... it's all commonplace now a days.

[ghall]

I suggest we all just forget about it for a while, and distract ourselves with something else.

But waiting for 10.5.2 is my distraction. What do I do now? :confused:

[ErikAndre]

But waiting to 10.5.2 is my distraction. What do I do now? :confused:

lol

[cogsinister]

But waiting for 10.5.2 is my distraction. What do I do now? :confused:

I think i will install Windows Vista SP1 RC in my Vmware instalation of Vista, just to have something to update till 10.5.2 .....

[picchiant]

I don't want that update anymore!! can you imagine a life without this frustrating wait? then once we will have installed it, we will ask to ourselves : and now what????
Please apple do not release the update!! please!!!!!!
:D

[danbalsh]

I don't want that update anymore!! can you imagine a life without this frustrating wait? then once we will have installed it, we will ask to ourselves : and now what????
Please apple do not release the update!! please!!!!!!
:D

Reverse psychology... I like it :eek:

[cogsinister]

As soon as 10.5.2 is out the "10.5.2 broke my MB/MBP/Macmini/MBA" posts will begin.......then the "my (insert name of obscure 3rd party software app) no longer works in 10.5.2......"

As soon as it is out we will hate it........

I wish Apple would hurry and release it !!!!!

[ErikAndre]

As soon as 10.5.2 is out the "10.5.2 broke my MB/MBP/Macmini/MBA" posts will begin.......then the "my (insert name of obscure 3rd party software app) no longer works in 10.5.2......"

As soon as it is out we will hate it........

ha... very true.

[MacArchi]

or is it Valhalla, can't quite focus....
http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/attach/jpg.gif

[lssmit02]

without this update we have no life! but we have ilife!
with this update we want a free world without windows and gates..

:p

Ten point five point two.
No end to this cruel waiting.
Macrumors help me!

[TheSpaz]

or is it Valhalla, can't quite focus....
http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/attach/jpg.gif

That's fake. It was edited from the /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist file because they didn't change the date to 2008.

Hehehehehe... I've done that way too many times.

[ErikAndre]

That's fake. It was edited from the /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist file because they didn't change the date to 2008.

Hehehehehe... I've done that way too many times.

Good catch.

[MacArchi]

That's fake. It was edited from the /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist file because they didn't change the date to 2008.

Hehehehehe... I've done that way too many times.


Too good - but the origin is not correct...:)

[riscy]

Agreed, so, we can get the next bout of complaints over with :)

I know I want the new release, but it will cause other different problems probably until about release 10.5.4, you know the saying "You can please some of the people some of the time..."

As soon as 10.5.2 is out the "10.5.2 broke my MB/MBP/Macmini/MBA" posts will begin.......then the "my (insert name of obscure 3rd party software app) no longer works in 10.5.2......"

As soon as it is out we will hate it........

I wish Apple would hurry and release it !!!!!

[skyrider007]

I want 10.5.11

[TBi]

I want 10.5.11

Nah i wanna see 10.5.99 and then watch as everyone argues about what the next one will be called :D

Remember the whole rigamarole before 10.4.10 came out? :D

[skyrider007]

Remember the whole rigamarole before 10.4.10 came out? :D

I do, very evidently. History is repeating itself!

[kk1ro]

well.. the macbook airs have landed.. i don't believe apple will take too long to release 10.5.2.. that would be unfair to the MBA users because the ones who didn't buy it with the external drive won't be able to intall anything.. unless the MBA's come with the remote disk software on a dvd or something.. but i doubt it..

[psychofreak]

well.. the macbook airs have landed.. i don't believe apple will take too long to release 10.5.2.. that would be unfair to the MBA users because the ones who didn't buy it with the external drive won't be able to intall anything.. unless the MBA's come with the remote disk software on a dvd or something.. but i doubt it..

The MBA comes with a disk to allow sharing on Macs and PCs :)

[kk1ro]

WHYYYYY?! xD

[MacArchi]

The MBA's don't have 10.5.2, we are in meltdown, what is going on, the MacWorld show is becoming the great show of promises, with Steve sharing his dreams, it seems eventually everything digital behaves like windows, could it be the First Law of Gates, studied by future generations, the phenomenon of digital disappointment caused by unreal expectations, probably one company has ever managed to pull that off successfully... Apple.

[Neil321]

I think we all ought to get out more

[clevin]

Nah i wanna see 10.5.99 and then watch as everyone argues about what the next one will be called :D
10.5.10000

[TheSpaz]

Okay, so I'm back from lunch... any update yet?

[csalm87]

Okay, so I'm back from lunch... any update yet?

Unfortunately no :mad::(:(

[Mindflux]

Okay, so I'm back from lunch... any update yet?


This just in:
no.

[bjett92]

I'm hoping for tomorrow. I'm getting tired of checking for updates everyday and being let down every time. :(

[kabunaru]

I'm hoping for tomorrow. I'm getting tired of checking for updates everyday and being let down every time. :(

Mac OS 10.5.2 to arrive before the end of February:
http://macosrumors.com/2008/01/30/apple-seeds-1052-build-9c23-massive-almost-500mb-release-drawing-near/

[Techguy172]

Mac OS 10.5.2 to arrive before the end of February:
http://macosrumors.com/2008/01/30/apple-seeds-1052-build-9c23-massive-almost-500mb-release-drawing-near/

This was posted before.

[bjett92]

Mac OS 10.5.2 to arrive before the end of February:
http://macosrumors.com/2008/01/30/apple-seeds-1052-build-9c23-massive-almost-500mb-release-drawing-near/

Well tomorrow is before the end of February.

[IT-Pro]

I'm pretty stunned why people believe "rumors" like announced here (http://macosrumors.com/2008/01/30/apple-seeds-1052-build-9c23-massive-almost-500mb-release-drawing-near/)

I did a little cover-up yesterday in this thread, but when just taking a look at the comments I realized people are actually believing this story of MacOsRumors.

Why would Apple push out several seeds in a short time period, which usually announces near release, and finally decide to delay it untill they've reached build 9C40? I just don't know why Apple would be doing this.

Second I noticed one guy mentioned the bandwith problem saying that wouldn't be such a great deal, like I said yesterday... At least one person with some clue.

I'm still aiming for a Friday release. Three days since the latest OS X server seed (9C25) has been seeded. No new seed has shown up as far as I know.
Though I am hearing some words about 9C23 (client) still having some little bugs, which might have been fixed already, nobody knows.

Again. I'm just guessing, I could be wrong, but I just not hope I am :P

[newtech]

Apple needs to stop stroking it and release 10.5.2, then they can start doing seeds of 10.5.3 and do some more ground work for 10.6

[Sky Blue]

I'm pretty stunned why people believe "rumors" like announced here (http://macosrumors.com/2008/01/30/apple-seeds-1052-build-9c23-massive-almost-500mb-release-drawing-near/)


That macosrumors is the biggest load of nonsense. Funny though :)

[Neo110503]

I think uncle steve hates us :(

[Hugh]

Why is everyone want this update so bad? What is this update going to fix, that people can't wait to get it. :confused:

Hugh

[bjett92]

Why is everyone want this update so bad? What is this update going to fix, that people can't wait to get it. :confused:

Hugh

WIFI!!!! I want that fixed.

[Daveoc64]

Why is everyone want this update so bad? What is this update going to fix, that people can't wait to get it. :confused:

Hugh

A few of the common issues:

- Desire to turn off the transparent menu bar (some people don't like it, others think it looks bad with some wallpaper)
- Improved Dock functionality - tweaks to stacks as well as the option of having lists like previous Mac OS X versions. Stacks just aren't suitable for all situations
- General stability issues - some people find certain things are crashing a lot for them
- Wireless problems - Some people are having huge issues connecting to wireless networks that work fine in Tiger and also with their Mac running Windows
- Time Machine tweaks - Some people are hoping for a few issues to be solved and for the feature to work in more scenarios
- New graphics drivers - a new update for pretty much all graphics cards will be released at the same time as 10.5.2, people are experiencing some issues with the new Intel X3100 in the recent MacBook/Air revisions.
- Support for new hardware - although in the rumour phase, 10.5.2 should offer some better support for upcoming models (like the rumoured MacBook Pro)
- Networking improvements - Windows networking is very unreliable in 10.5.1
- Server improvements - Mac OS X server is supposedly quite unreliable and many fixes are expected for that
- and more!

The general consensus is that as Apple is releasing a ~500MB update, there must be a long list of things to fix (Apple has listed about 80 specific fixes).

Obviously if you don't have any of these issues or you aren't an update freak (a lot of us just like to know we have the latest version of things) then you wont care - but if your computer can't do things you need it to then you most certainly will care.

[motulist]

WIFI!!!! I want that fixed.

I millionth that motion! I want wifi fixed by last week!

[andy721]

It's about time, now release it so we can all get our mac pros with the 8800Gt graphics card. The waiting is killing me. I don't wish to receive it FEB 29th :mad::mad:

[pickledegg]

I thought Macs were supposed to 'just work', I've had one for 8 months, and although initially blown away by the stability/usabilty of Tiger, since upgrading to Leopard I've been astounded by how shockingly bad it is.

'Quit unexpectedly' should be rephrased to 'Quit on Cue'.

I can honestly say hand on heart that windows XP is by far more stable than Leopard in its current state, and I challenge anyone to disagree.

:apple: = :(

and I cannot believe the amount of people who appear to think that this 400+Mb update is acceptable Apple behaviour.

[MacArchi]

I personally have been through thick and thin with Apple, since the days of the Mac SE, I have seen Chips and Operating Systems come and go. Sometimes just to get things done I have had to relent and get in a few windose based machines to get the work done (when 8.5 hit the market). Apple have done us and I mean me personally a serious disservice with Leopard, the quick fix 10.5.1 underscored the significant issues. Claims that Leopard is stable are hollow and misleading. My complaint isn't that Leopard needs to be fixed and Apple are taking some time getting us there, it is that for January we have been left hanging not knowing just when this wretched 10.5.2 will materialise. Had I know that effectively I would loose the whole of January because 10.5.2 wasn't going to be ready for awhile I would have spent my Christmas holiday reinstalling Tiger on all my machines. Unlike Apple I take missed deadlines extremely seriously and because we have been fumbling around with our core production software wobbling on Leopard it has seriously undermined our business. I am not talking about some obscure third party App. Like Tosser this weekend we go back to Tiger. This nobody knows when mindset is quite perverse, for goodness sake Apple give us a date, then ship us the fixed OS on DVD, leave the bandwidth for MBA. My only conclusion is that 10.5.2 doesn't go far enough to fixing anything and Apple have painted themselves into a corner.

[andy721]

I thought Macs were supposed to 'just work', I've had one for 8 months, and although initially blown away by the stability/usabilty of Tiger, since upgrading to Leopard I've been astounded by how shockingly bad it is.

'Quit unexpectedly' should be rephrased to 'Quit on Cue'.

I can honestly say hand on heart that windows XP is by far more stable than Leopard in its current state, and I challenge anyone to disagree.

:apple: = :(

and I cannot believe the amount of people who appear to think that this 400+Mb update is acceptable Apple behaviour.

I will have to strongly disagree with you on that one ;)

[gikku]

I can honestly say hand on heart that windows XP is by far more stable than Leopard in its current state, and I challenge anyone to disagree.

:apple: = :(


Difficult to argue against this statement.
I haven't had XP crash for months Leopard, well, it's shameful, really. Leopard even manages to make Vista look attractive.

Apple have bitten off more than they chew in the past 18-24 months, Intel, Telephone and Leopard.
They did drop Computer from their name.

I have mates that haven't upgraded, with no immediate plans to do so for fears of instability.
and I won't be upgrading my Mum's iBook any time soon.

[ageha]

Difficult to argue against this statement.
I haven't had XP crash for months Leopard, well, it's shameful, really. Leopard even manages to make Vista look attractive.

Apple have bitten off more than they chew in the past 18-24 months, Intel, Telephone and Leopard.
They did drop Computer from their name.

I have mates that haven't upgraded, with no immediate plans to do so for fears of instability.
and I won't be upgrading my Mum's iBook any time soon.

I think XP is a relatively stable system compared to OSX and Linux. I'm working all day on Linux machines and at home we have OSX. I'm not a MS fan but actually XP isn't that bad in terms of stability.

[pickledegg]

I will have to strongly disagree with you on that one

By all means disgree, but can you explain the reasons why you do? I wish it wasn't the case, but thats what I find.

[ffakr]

Difficult to argue against this statement.
I haven't had XP crash for months Leopard, well, it's shameful, really. Leopard even manages to make Vista look attractive.

Apple have bitten off more than they chew in the past 18-24 months, Intel, Telephone and Leopard.
They did drop Computer from their name.

I have mates that haven't upgraded, with no immediate plans to do so for fears of instability.
and I won't be upgrading my Mum's iBook any time soon.

XP in its current form is more stable than Leopard. I support both but I'm a Macintosh user by choice.
Apple has a habit of shipping on a fairly rigid timeline with the intention that they'll work out issues down the line. For the most part, Mac users just accept this without too much fuss. The issue now is the increasing number of Converts. They've been promised computing Nirvana and they get a buggy new OS for their trouble.
Apple pushed Leopard back 6 months which sent shock waves through the Mac community at the time (and it'll be 9months to a year after the first scheduled (blown) release date before it's as stable as an SP2 Microsoft release). Vista, just for comparison, was pushed back for years and most of the non-hardcore geeks I know are waiting for SP1 at a minimum before moving to Vista. Actually the big problem with Vista for us is the UI changes that people don't want and the bigger problem that it broke a LOT of old software. We regularly down-grade people.

I'd say, don't fear this hiccup. Apple always works these issues out in a couple releases (for the most part ;-) )
On the upside, every update to OS X is a solid update. Apple has also pulled off the amazing feat of making software updates faster than previous versions. The 10.2 to 10.3 move was night and day. 10.4 also introduced new technologies that sped up many features.
In the future, you should just remember that it's best to wait till about 10.x.2 before you jump in. Vista, over all, hasn't been too bad though it's release date was pushed back at least a couple years and even so we still have some serious issues with software compatability. Other Microsoft OSes, like XP, weren't really stable till SP2 which was years after release.


As for Apple being stretched too thin.. I don't suspect the OS group is any smaller than it has been in the past. Apple still sells a LOT of Macintoshes. More every quarter in numbers and overall marketshare. They make a LOT of money from OS releases.
Apple has lots of new products but they have also grown and added new positions for these new product lines. Just because they're working on a new iPod, that doesn't mean they yank someone out of the OS group.

ffakr.

[MBX]

I'm surprised by so many people having issues with leopard. I made a fresh install from day 1 and haven't looked back to tiger once. everything in leopard was snappier (spotlight, apps, etc.) and features like quicklook, spaces and time-machine are things i can't be without anymore.

However i hope the 10.5.2 update arrives soon. Some stability and other improvements never hurt.

[andy721]

By all means disgree, but can you explain the reasons why you do? I wish it wasn't the case, but thats what I find.

Because xp is old and no one really cares for it, they want newer and better despite the flaws.:o:apple:

[Hugh]

I too do not understand what the trouble people are having with 10.5 or 10.5.1. I have been using 10.5.1 on my Mac Mini since it came out, with no trouble at all.. I do have some problems with some old software working on 10.5, but that's okay. The software hasn't been updated since 10.3.9.

My MacBook came with 10.5 pre-installed and haven't any problems with it either. What is it you guys are doing to get your copy to crash?

Hugh


I'm surprised by so many people having issues with leopard. I made a fresh install from day 1 and haven't looked back to tiger once. everything in leopard was snappier (spotlight, apps, etc.) and features like quicklook, spaces and time-machine are things i can't be without anymore.

However i hope the 10.5.2 update arrives soon. Some stability and other improvements never hurt.

[Eidorian]

I have 25 Leopard Macs deployed in my department without a single issue. I come here and we have users that have moved back to Tiger or are having too many issues with 10.5.1.

I wonder what I'm doing wrong...

[psychofreak]

I found a Leopard flaw on my Macbook :(

On this C2D Macbook, Address book won't let me add pictures to contacts, whether I'm trying to drag or take a picture from inside the app...

[Daveoc64]

I have 25 Leopard Macs deployed in my department without a single issue. I come here and we have users that have moved back to Tiger or are having too many issues with 10.5.1.

I wonder what I'm doing wrong...

Not using certain features or configurations.

Photoshop has never crashed for me. Mostly because I've never used it.

[Kilamite]

I found a Leopard flaw on my Macbook :(

On this C2D Macbook, Address book won't let me add pictures to contacts, whether I'm trying to drag or take a picture from inside the app...

That feature works fine for me, I drag it in, it asks me what region of the picture I want and it's there.

Have you tried using any other pictures?

[psychofreak]

That feature works fine for me, I drag it in, it asks me what region of the picture I want and it's there.

Have you tried using any other pictures?

Many, with many different contacts. I did it fine in Tiger, but can't do it now...

[iCeFuSiOn]

I have 25 Leopard Macs deployed in my department without a single issue. I come here and we have users that have moved back to Tiger or are having too many issues with 10.5.1.

I wonder what I'm doing wrong...
Agreed, the only time I've had a problem with Leopard was when I had installed a piece of bad software which messed up some things, that's all fixed, and all is fine.

[Kilamite]

I have 25 Leopard Macs deployed in my department without a single issue. I come here and we have users that have moved back to Tiger or are having too many issues with 10.5.1.

I wonder what I'm doing wrong...

I wonder what you are doing right ;)

[Eidorian]

Agreed, the only time I've had a problem with Leopard was when I had installed a piece of bad software which messed up some things, that's all fixed, and all is fine.This is probably true since I've only upgraded 2 or 3 of these Macs. There rest of them have been imaged.

[stlwx21]

I had a few hiccups with Leopard, but then I backed up all my files and did an "Erase and Install" and wiped the slate clean. Every since then, I haven't run across any issues. *keeping fingers crossed*

Still looking foward to 10.5.2 though! :)

[vohdoun]

I have shutdown issues with Leopard that I'm patiently waiting on .5.2 for. That .5.1 started creating, and the worst part was I had to install .5.1 for the SMB windows sharing fixes.

I seem to have the worst of two evils. Stick to 10.5, and suffer no workable windows shares and clean shutdowns.

Or stay with .5.1, have working window shares but suffer the shutdown hangs where it ramps up the fans.