Mac OS X 10.5.2 Inches Closer... Build 9C23 Seeded

[MacRumors]

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Apple appears to be working hard on Mac OS X 10.5.2, and has seeded yet another build to developers. Today's build comes in at 9C23 and offers a number of fixes to CoreGraphics, DVD Playback, File Systems, BackupCore and Web Content Filter. Apple again lists "no known issues" with this seed of Mac OS X 10.5.2.

Apple is expected to publicly release 10.5.2 imminently. The previous Mac OS X 10.5.2 build (9C20) was seeded to developers just 2 days ago.

Known features/fixes for the upcoming version of Mac OS X:

- World of Warcraft fix, No AirDisk backups (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/23/mac-os-x-10-5-2-world-of-warcraft-fix-still-no-airport-extreme-backups/)
- Optional Transparent Menu Bar, DVD/CD Sharing (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/21/mac-os-x-10-5-2-optional-translucent-menubar-dvd-cd-sharing/)
- List View in Stacks (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/20/apple-adds-list-view-to-stacks-in-leopard-10-5-2/)

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/24/mac-os-x-10-5-2-inches-closer-build-9c23-seeded/)

[TimJim]

I like the idea of list view in stacks.
Should be a good update.

Nice double post.

[Eidorian]

This was double posted?I notice this as well.

I'm a little surprised that the last seed didn't make it out today. I just got ahold of Leopard Server and it's great but want my updates. I'm sure all of us will want to scour every little kernel extension to find out what new hardware is around the corner.

Can anyone confirm the Penryn enhancements?

[admit edit: double post fixed - arn]

[motulist]

Release date?

Friday was rumored to be the release day they were aiming for, but if they don't get it out by friday, might they release it over the weekend? Has an OS X upgrade ever been released on a weekend day in the past?

[ErikAndre]

This means the 8800GT is likely around the corner...

http://www.truewalk.com/thumb.gif

[4God]

I hope there's a graphics fix for us new MacPro owners with the graphics freeze issue.

[Nermal]

DVD Playback! Good, I've watched a couple of DVDs over the last few days and ran into a couple of issues that are now hopefully fixed :) (eg. One of my DVDs puts itself on mute when I fast-forward, and I need to fiddle with the volume slider to get noise out of it again).

[Rocketman]

Hi Steve.

So.

With all the minimalization of devices achieved and coming soon, I want a way to achieve bulletproof backward compatibility. I want an iPod dock like port that does the following from a dongle:

Ethernet 10/100/1000/10000
FW400
FW800/3200
USB 1/2/3
ADB/PS2/DB9
Composite Video/HDI/xx
and more

I realize the device itself will be a sphere or rectangulator with the wierdest surface ever. So price it at $299 retail and impress us with the interface driver. Dock it.

Rocketman

:)

[bennifer3000]

So from the screenshot the Menu Bar Opacity is either on/off, am I wrong?

I hope that it's not the case. Atleast let us go from 0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%.

[janitorC7]

Hi Steve.

So.

With all the minimalization of devices achieved and coming soon, I want a way to achieve bulletproof backward compatibility. I want an iPod dock like port that does the following from a dongle:

Ethernet 10/100/1000/10000
FW400
FW800/3200
USB 1/2/3
ADB/PS2/DB9
Composite Video/HDI/xx
and more

I realize the device itself will be a sphere or rectangulator with the wierdest surface ever. So price it at $299 retail and impress us with the interface driver. Dock it.

Rocketman

:)

I would love apple to have a one plug docking solution, where I could just plug in one thing, and my usb would be hooked up, power, firewire, digital audio out, dvi.... This really would be a good idea

[Eidorian]

Hi Steve.

So.

With all the minimalization of devices achieved and coming soon, I want a way to achieve bulletproof backward compatibility. I want an iPod dock like port that does the following from a dongle:

Ethernet 10/100/1000/10000
FW400
FW800/3200
USB 1/2/3
ADB/PS2/DB9
Composite Video/HDI/xx
and more

I realize the device itself will be a sphere or rectangulator with the wierdest surface ever. So price it at $299 retail and impress us with the interface driver. Dock it.

Rocketman

:)USB comes pretty close...

USB to Ethernet
USB Modem
USB to Parallel
USB to Serial
Display Link (USB to DVI)
USB A/V Breakout

[Topper]

This means the 8800GT is likely around the corner...

http://www.truewalk.com/thumb.gif

Nope, no thumbs up on this one.
It just means 10.5.2 is delayed even further.
Which probably means the 8800GT is also further delayed.

[Neo110503]

Hi Steve.

So.

With all the minimalization of devices achieved and coming soon, I want a way to achieve bulletproof backward compatibility. I want an iPod dock like port that does the following from a dongle:

Ethernet 10/100/1000/10000
FW400
FW800/3200
USB 1/2/3
ADB/PS2/DB9
Composite Video/HDI/xx
and more

I realize the device itself will be a sphere or rectangulator with the wierdest surface ever. So price it at $299 retail and impress us with the interface driver. Dock it.

Rocketman

:)


It should julienne fries too. Otherwise it should be priced around $279.

[JML42691]

Has Apple ever released an update the day after the seed was released? Because this seems a little rushed for tomorrow's rumored release.

[lostfan916]

Ah, I did a software update before checking here and I got excited when I saw 10.5.2 but then was immediately disappointed. :rolleyes: It's almost here. Almost.

JML42691, I *think* they released 10.5.1 the day after the latest build was seeded, but I could be wrong.

[darthraige]

I hope there's a graphics fix for us new MacPro owners with the graphics freeze issue.

Yea, I'm starting to get that mirror effect again no the dock. Got it about 5 times on my last MacPro, and now got it once on this one. 10.5.2 is gonna be awesome. Can't wait.

[MacGeek Pro]

I am very excited about this release. I have been having small issues left and right in the last few weeks. Hoping this irons out the wrinkles.

[4God]

Yea, I'm starting to get that mirror effect again no the dock. Got it about 5 times on my last MacPro, and now got it once on this one. 10.5.2 is gonna be awesome. Can't wait.

Awww man, Apple has to be aware of this. I guess it's a good thing (not good that you're going through it), but now I'd bet we see an update to the firmware soon.

[darthraige]

Awww man, Apple has to be aware of this. I guess it's a good thing (not good that you're going through it), but now I'd bet we see an update to the firmware soon.

Either way, 10.5.2 will do a lot for us. lol Hopefully it arrives this weekend.

[bacaramac]

Sorry guys the dock connector was my idea first (at least I think I was). I posted asking if all that would be possible if Apple releases a real UMPC.

Well, anyway the proceeds are mine if they launch this idea. :D

[AidenShaw]

Sorry guys the dock connector was my idea first (at least I think I was). I posted asking if all that would be possible if Apple releases a real UMPC.

Well, anyway the proceeds are mine if they launch this idea. :D

"Apple, please make a dock" is nothing new....

[bbarnhart]

I would really like a network solution to Time Machine without having to buy a Time Capsule.

[a1016neo]

I hope 10.5.2 is more stabled than 10.5.1

[foidulus]

They had the perfect way to organize TV shows in Tiger, but then in Leopard they changed it slightly. Instead of listing each tv show, then each season in the next menu level, Leopard initially just put all episodes of a particular series into a big list after you chose the series. Not the greatest system, but still much better than what they have now. In the root menu for tv shows, they now make a seperate entry for each season for each show(some of mine have up to 10 seasons) and whats worse is that they don't TELL you which season it is in the menu, you pretty much have to guess.

This is an inexplicably dumb move from Apple, who had a really sharp UI for this prodcut to start with then just seems tried to intentionally destroy it. These really makes me mad because Front Row was one of the big reasons I upgraded from a powerbook. The ability to basically have a remote that allowed my mac to act as a TV for all my purchased iTunes shows and dvds(ripped with handbrake) was great. But Apple has gone and made the UI almost unusable. I would go back to Tiger, but I have an SR macbook, so that isn't possible.

However, the odds of that being fixed in 10.5.2 are pretty slim. Anyone know of a good front row replacement that is compatible with the apple remote?

[bdkennedy1]

They've either been released of Tuesdays or Fridays. Since everyone get their MacBook Air tomorrow, I'm guessing it will be tomorrow because it has the wireless optical software for the Air.

Release date?

Friday was rumored to be the release day they were aiming for, but if they don't get it out by friday, might they release it over the weekend? Has an OS X upgrade ever been released on a weekend day in the past?

[bdkennedy1]

Search versiontracker.com for "Front Row" and some replacements will pop up.

They had the perfect way to organize TV shows in Tiger, but then in Leopard they changed it slightly. Instead of listing each tv show, then each season in the next menu level, Leopard initially just put all episodes of a particular series into a big list after you chose the series. Not the greatest system, but still much better than what they have now. In the root menu for tv shows, they now make a seperate entry for each season for each show(some of mine have up to 10 seasons) and whats worse is that they don't TELL you which season it is in the menu, you pretty much have to guess.

This is an inexplicably dumb move from Apple, who had a really sharp UI for this prodcut to start with then just seems tried to intentionally destroy it. These really makes me mad because Front Row was one of the big reasons I upgraded from a powerbook. The ability to basically have a remote that allowed my mac to act as a TV for all my purchased iTunes shows and dvds(ripped with handbrake) was great. But Apple has gone and made the UI almost unusable. I would go back to Tiger, but I have an SR macbook, so that isn't possible.

However, the odds of that being fixed in 10.5.2 are pretty slim. Anyone know of a good front row replacement that is compatible with the apple remote?

[newtech]

Barring any new issues, my money is still on 1/29 (tues). Software updates mostly land on tuesday's or thursday's, rarely on wednesday's, nearly never on monday's or fridays and NEVER over a weekend.

[motulist]

They've either been released of Tuesdays or Fridays. Since everyone get their MacBook Air tomorrow, I'm guessing it will be tomorrow because it has the wireless optical software for the Air.

Barring any new issues, my money is still on 1/29 (tues). Software updates mostly land on tuesday's or thursday's, rarely on wednesday's, nearly never on monday's or fridays and NEVER over a weekend.

You two seem to be in disagreement. Does anyone else recall which days of the week OS updates were usually released on?

[4God]

10.5.0 was released on Friday, October 26th and 10.5.1 was released on Thursday, November 15th.
Hoping 10.5.2 will be Friday, January 25th...;)

[nsbio]

I hope 10.5.2 is more stabled than 10.5.1

Surely, they will build a stable for the newly numbered Leopard :D

[darthraige]

Yea, I'm hoping for tomorrow afternoon too. I think the update could come any day of the week. It's just a software update, computer automatically recognizes when it comes.

[Keebler]

awesome. i just hope they fixed the issues with front row 2 not working with the airtunes express!

[Stang68]

Wait, my menus are transparent now. They have been. What is gonna be in this update? An option to turn that off?

[newtech]

10.5.0 was released on Friday, October 26th and 10.5.1 was released on Thursday, November 15th.
Hoping 10.5.2 will be Friday, January 25th...;)

10.5.0 was not a software update. It was the retail pressing of the DVD.

10.4.1 mon. 5/16/05

10.4.2 tue. 7/12/05

10.4.3 mon. 10/31/05

10.4.4 tue. 1/10/06

10.4.5 tue. 2/14/06

10.4.6 mon. 4/03/06

10.4.7 tue. 6/27/06

10.4.8 fri. 9/29/06 ( oddball )

10.4.9 tue.3/13/07

10.4.10 wed. 6/20/07

10.5.0 fri. 10/26/07 ( retail disc )

10.4.11 wed. 11/14/07

10.5.1 thu. 11/15/07 ( build 9B18 )

10.5.1 tue. 1/8/08 ( build 9B116? Mac Pro 3,1 )

[darthraige]

Wait, my menus are transparent now. They have been. What is gonna be in this update? An option to turn that off?

Yup. I like the transparency. It's cooler. lol

[AppleMojo]

You two seem to be in disagreement. Does anyone else recall which days of the week OS updates were usually released on?

Mostly Saturday's and 2nd Sundays... If I recall. ;-)

[4God]

10.5.0 was not a software update. It was the retail pressing of the DVD.

Yeah, I look at it as an upgrade from 10.4.11.

[RollTide]

Hopefully this will fix the web content filter as it says. MSN is not that evil. although it is kinda funny it picks MSN to block.

[GreyHare]

I want an iPod dock like port that does the following from a dongle:

[shopping list omitted]

I realize the device itself will be a sphere or rectangulator with the wierdest surface ever. So price it at $299 retail and impress us with the interface driver. Dock it.

Maybe what you're looking for is a PCI Express Cable Connector (http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/molex/jsp/family/intro.jsp?superFamOID=-19001&pageTitle=Introduction&channel=Products&familyOID=-16641&chanName=family&frellink=Introduction), since that's all you really need to do all that. The dongles will be largish, sure, but it'll be pretty future-resistant. The connector itself (for x1) is about the same size as a HD15 analog monitor connector.

Since PCIe is a serial standard, you don't have the bus length limited to a few inches any more, so you can put it on a cable without bridging. What's not to like?

[Mindflux]

10.5.0 was not a software update. It was the retail pressing of the DVD.


Technically the pressing was done way before that ;)

[tricil]

Yeah, I look at it as an upgrade from 10.4.11.

Considering 10.4.11 was released post October 25th, how so?

[bankshot]

Hopefully they release this thing tomorrow. I finally broke down and ordered Leopard, and my copy is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow. Might be nice to start fresh with 10.5.2.

[4God]

...10.4.8 fri. 9/29/06 ( oddball )

Well cheers, here's to an oddball fri. 01/25/08 :D

Considering 10.4.11 was released post October 25th, how so?

You're right, my bad.

[newtech]

Technically the pressing was done way before that ;)

Date is release to public.

[veeco3110]

i hope this fixes the airport issue

[DTphonehome]

I hear it shrinks USB 3G modems to fit the MBA's USB port :)

[Mindflux]

i hope this fixes the airport issue

It won't. been said time and time again already.

[AppleMojo]

I hear it shrinks USB 3G modems to fit the MBA's USB port :)

Yup! I read somewhere that it adds DLP projection to the 24" iMac's... That'll be nice in the home theater.

[Mindflux]

Yup! I read somewhere that it adds DLP projection to the 24" iMac's... That'll be nice in the home theater.


I heard the instant you download 1.5.2 a G5 Powerbook shows up at your doorstep.

[bacaramac]

It won't. been said time and time again already.

So everyone says it won't be fixed with this build, but what about a F/W fix to AEBS as others have stated may be needed to fix airdisk. Does anyone have the inside track on this. Everyone seems to hear about software fixes, but not firmware.

[AppleMojo]

I heard the instant you download 1.5.2 a G5 Powerbook shows up at your doorstep.

Oh! Then I had better update my Apple registration address...

[kevindosi]

i was really looking forward to this update because i miss listview. i've been using hierarchical dock since i upgraded to leopard, and i like it. i might continue to use it, because it gives a lot of space to each icon in the list. this works well for me, because i have a list of all my classes with custom icons for the folders, so it's nice to have the large icons. listview, from what i've seen, looks pretty ordinary.

[motulist]

It won't. been said time and time again already.

Really? I was under the impression that everyone was saying it would be fixed in this update. Perhaps they were all just talking about the time machine over wifi issue and not the general problem with wifi? And just for my education, what is the problem people are having with wifi under leopard?

[M!K]

i'm having very big issues with Photo Booth. I need to reboot it after nearly every picture taken because the camera becomes dark. And when i change effect, it bugs. It is very annoying! And since me and my friends always use this... and it always bugs... i don't want them to think that my computer is not good since it is the best one on earth:D

Anyway, too bad they're not addressing this issue in 10.5.2. Is anyone having the same problem as me???

[newtech]

Hard to call anything "firmware" when it is on flash EEPROM, more like non-volitile code.

[Mike Teezie]

Sweet. Maybe this will fix the few little issues I have in Leopard.

[M!K]

what is the problem people are having with wifi under leopard?

There's not one single thing that works! I usually have a wi-fi printer (via AirPort Extreme base) and it doesn't work! hard drives won't work either.

[CoreWeb]

So everyone says it won't be fixed with this build, but what about a F/W fix to AEBS as others have stated may be needed to fix airdisk. Does anyone have the inside track on this. Everyone seems to hear about software fixes, but not firmware.

I believe Apple will fix it... but when, I do not know. Just my opinion.

[4God]

Hard to call anything "firmware" when it is on flash EEPROM, more like non-volitile code.

Firmware, hardware, software, flatware, no hair, I don't care what it's called just fix the dang thing. :D

[newtech]

"... fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, fuzzy wuzzy had no hair ..."

[riversky]

This is the only thing I want. I have Oct 2007 MacBook black and the wifi goes in and out and states..."scanning" and then reconnects. About every 15 mins. On many different hotspots.....

FIX it please Apple!!!!

[shadowfax]

So everyone says it won't be fixed with this build, but what about a F/W fix to AEBS as others have stated may be needed to fix airdisk. Does anyone have the inside track on this. Everyone seems to hear about software fixes, but not firmware.

I would imagine that this is the case primarily because software updates are much more complex and require wide dissemination to developers to test. So there is a large pool of people who are "in the know" on the latest progress of internal software updates. Firmware is probably not that way--it's unlikely that anyone other than Apple itself tests the firmware updates before they are shipped out. That means the pool of people in the know for FW updates is quite small. That's not too good for finding things out in advance. We just have to have patience... bleh.

[opuslab]

Totally off the topic, but I'm just curious - how come most of the non-Apple software titles do not necessary follow the gradual increments in their update releases (e.g. Toast jumped from version 8.0.1 straight to 8.0.3, omitting 8.0.2). All OS X updates from the very beginning are in perfect order, no numbers skipped until the next major release. I remember OS 9 being an exception, it jumped from 9.1 to 9.2.1, I don't recall seeing plain 9.2 around. I believe that was also true for pre-9.0.4 versions of Mac OS. Just curious, is it just a different way of labeling the releases and making some of them public?

[jfremani]

I wonder when/if Apple will get around to addressing the issues with their cheap Agere/Lucent firewire chipsets in many of their newer systems. Fear is spreading around to pro audio and video users.

[Mindflux]

I wonder when/if Apple will get around to addressing the issues with their cheap Agere/Lucent firewire chipsets in many of their newer systems. Fear is spreading around to pro audio and video users.


What problem? Also most machines that have firewire these days seem to have 'cheap chipsets'. How are those any different?

[AidenShaw]

Totally off the topic, but I'm just curious - how come most of the non-Apple software titles do not necessary follow the gradual increments in their update releases (e.g. Toast jumped from version 8.0.1 straight to 8.0.3, omitting 8.0.2).

Numbering gaps probably mean the some release bombed during testing, and was never publicly released.

If the bad test release was called "8.3.1", and had to be fixed, then the eventual release might be called "8.3.2".

To someone who didn't test the software, it might look strange that the version jumpe from "8.3" to "8.3.2" - without any public "8.3.1".

To support people, however, you cannot have a situation where "8.3.1" might be the bad test version, or the fixed version. Therefore, if "8.3.1" is released to anyone outside of the enginerring team, then the fix cannot be called "8.3.1" - it must be called "8.3.2" even if that appears to create a gap.

[opuslab]

Numbering gaps probably mean the some release bombed during testing, and was never publicly released.

Ahhhhh... Thank you! :)

[grappler]

This is all very nice, but I really only care about making Time Machine work on disks connected to an Airport Extreme.

Come on Apple. Do something. Or say something. Either one.

[ChrisA]

Sorry guys the dock connector was my idea first

Realistically what will happen is the need for a dock will just disappear. Everything will be wireless.

[kevindosi]

This is the only thing I want. I have Oct 2007 MacBook black and the wifi goes in and out and states..."scanning" and then reconnects. About every 15 mins. On many different hotspots.....

FIX it please Apple!!!!

Whoa. I didn't know that happened to anyone else. All this time I thought it was my crappy internet. I suppose it still could be, but who knows. Anyway, it's incredibly frustrating. It just happened again.

[ltldrummerboy]

I hope this fixes my SR MacBook's bad habit of crashing every other time I insert a DVD. Anyone else have this?

[twoodcc]

hopefully this will be out sometime tomorrow (or i guess today now)

[starflyer]

This is all very nice, but I really only care about making Time Machine work on disks connected to an Airport Extreme.

Come on Apple. Do something. Or say something. Either one.

Peter Sichel on Why Time Machine Doesn’t Support USB Drives Attached to AirPort Extreme Base Stations ★

Peter Sichel (of Sustainable Softworks) in a comment at MacInTouch:

There is an option to have Time Machine show other network attached disks:

defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1

But Apple is hesitant to enable this as the default since it places the integrity of interrupted Time Machine backups at risk. So Apple is in a difficult spot with respect to supporting 3rd party NAS devices.

I heard a similar explanation from a few people at Macworld Expo last week, albeit regarding AFP, not USB — more or less that the AFP implementation in current AirPort base stations isn’t robust enough. Backups seem to work, but fail when you attempt to restore from them.

From daringfireball.net

[grappler]

Peter Sichel on Why Time Machine Doesn’t Support USB Drives Attached to AirPort Extreme Base Stations ★

Peter Sichel (of Sustainable Softworks) in a comment at MacInTouch:


I heard a similar explanation from a few people at Macworld Expo last week, albeit regarding AFP, not USB — more or less that the AFP implementation in current AirPort base stations isn’t robust enough. Backups seem to work, but fail when you attempt to restore from them.

From daringfireball.net

I'm hoping that fixing these issues is a high priority for them...

[scrambledwonder]

Cracks me up that the WOW fix has been at the top of the list of bug fixes in the last few posts about 10.5.2

Gotta get your WOW fix. I know I do.

[Mr.damien]

I would like to see the video play back when the video is reduced in the dock as it was the case in panther and tiger.:mad:

[boer]

Hard to call anything "firmware" when it is on flash EEPROM, more like non-volitile code.

What? Ever considered what firmware actually means?

"In computing, firmware is a computer program that is embedded in a hardware device, for example a microcontroller. It can also be provided on flash ROMs or as a binary image file that can be uploaded onto existing hardware by a user.

As its name suggests, firmware is somewhere between hardware and software."

All this and more on Wikipedia.

[oddne]

I hope this fixes my SR MacBook's bad habit of crashing every other time I insert a DVD. Anyone else have this?
I have the same problem, after a reboot it works ok though, but it's a pain

Loking forward to the fix

/O

[kugino]

There's not one single thing that works! I usually have a wi-fi printer (via AirPort Extreme base) and it doesn't work! hard drives won't work either.

i finally got my printer to work via the airport extreme base...i had to trash all the printer preference files (anything with "printer" in the name) and start anew. next thing i know, it finally works...and the printer utility actually auto quit, too! :D

[bmk]

I hope this fixes my SR MacBook's bad habit of crashing every other time I insert a DVD. Anyone else have this?

I'm constantly amazed by the number of people on this forum who say they have new machines and repeatable problems and who sit around and moan waiting for an Apple update to fix it. Have you not heard of the Apple store and the genius bar? If your dvd really crashes 'every other time', take it to the x*??!! Apple store and get it fixed! Why is that so difficult?? It is most likely a faulty drive - but instead of going and doing something about it, you sit around forever waiting and complaining for a software fix that'll never come.

Just to get things clear - if you have a new MB or indeed any other new Mac less than a year old, IT IS IN WARRANTY. If there is a reproduceable fault take it in to the Apple store and show them. If it don't work - they are obliged to fix it.

[MacRumorUser]

So I'm guessing no DVD player update in 10.5.2 to allow BluRay and HD-DVD support ?

[Mustafa]

1. SMS to be restored to Address Book.

2. Automator to work in Aperture.

3. Raw processing to be enabled for Nikon D3 and D300 cameras -- not that I have one, I'm just sick of all the whinging from people who buy new cameras without checking that their software supports them.

[MrT8064]

i hope this fixes the airport issue

for me; it takes 2mins to connect to my netgear router, linksys was fine.
my macbook pro running tiger was also fine, as is my iPhone

[jmggs]

And network is fixed?

i have random problem in conecting my vaio laptop (Vista Business) to Leopard Mac Pro. In Tiger network works fine with no problems.


Apple stop kick microsoft about vista and resolve leopard problems!

[MrT8064]

Apple stop kick microsoft about vista and resolve leopard problems!

I totally agree, Apple complains about Vista's security warnings, in Leopard you have to allow putting an application into the applications folder, allow a video to be opened if its downloaded... its far worse than Tiger with regard to security!!

unless theres a button which i can turn off?

[ATimson]

Numbering gaps probably mean the some release bombed during testing, and was never publicly released.
It's also possible that some release numbers have a reserved meaning; for example, Blizzard reserves 2.x.1 for emergency patches for severe bugs in the main patch (you'd see one of these generally a day or two after the 2.x.0 release), and if they don't have one the next patch out will be 2.x.2.

[cogsinister]

I wonder when/if Apple will get around to addressing the issues with their cheap Agere/Lucent firewire chipsets in many of their newer systems. Fear is spreading around to pro audio and video users.

All chipsets are "cheap" what computer maker would use an "expensive" chipset......

[abrooks]

in Leopard you have to allow putting an application into the applications folder,

I don't have to do that :confused:

[Tosser]

All chipsets are "cheap" what computer maker would use an "expensive" chipset......

I think what was meant was "cheap" as in "poor quality" or perhaps even "poor quality in order to save a penny".

[Tosser]

I don't have to do that :confused:

I did. Figured it was a bug in the install phase, so reinstalled 10.5.1. Problem solved.

[daneoni]

Any word on X3100 driver updates?

[cogsinister]

I still live in hope of some sort of graphics tweaks for us GMA900 users......

[Surely]

I'm constantly amazed by the number of people on this forum who say they have new machines and repeatable problems and who sit around and moan waiting for an Apple update to fix it. Have you not heard of the Apple store and the genius bar? If your dvd really crashes 'every other time', take it to the x*??!! Apple store and get it fixed! Why is that so difficult?? It is most likely a faulty drive - but instead of going and doing something about it, you sit around forever waiting and complaining for a software fix that'll never come.

Just to get things clear - if you have a new MB or indeed any other new Mac less than a year old, IT IS IN WARRANTY. If there is a reproduceable fault take it in to the Apple store and show them. If it don't work - they are obliged to fix it.

I hope that the update will fix the U.S. sub-prime mortgage crisis.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Actually, my MacBook has been operating flawlessly. I couldn't be happier. I'm just hoping for some cool new features that will add to what I'm already happy with.

[dual64bit]

I hope that the update will fix the U.S. sub-prime mortgage crisis.

Hahaha, doubtful.

[iCeFuSiOn]

I can't wait for 10.5.2, mainly for the menu bar translucency in the Desktop & Screen Saver preferences and some other fixes (not that I'm having any problems at all on my new MBP, just wouldn't mind some new goodies.)

[richard.mac]

im hoping that 10.5.2 will fix the choppy graphics im experiencing with grid stacks with > 35 items, iPhoto UI, moving into a space with where iPhoto is open, and the Time Machine UI. ive got a 128 MB GPU.

also hoping that a graphics issue will be fixed where cover flow albums show on a space where iTunes isnt open when a song changes and iTunes is in cover flow view

[maverick808]

I did. Figured it was a bug in the install phase, so reinstalled 10.5.1. Problem solved.

Could have fixed that more easily just by manually resetting permissions on the Applications folder.

[lazyrighteye]

I can think of one "known issue" - it's not out yet! :p

[TheSpaz]

So I guess we won't see it today? :confused: :(

[Kar98]

I'm constantly amazed by the number of people on this forum who say they have new machines and repeatable problems and who sit around and moan waiting for an Apple update to fix it. Have you not heard of the Apple store and the genius bar?


The one that's 145 miles away? 3 hours driving? Yeah, what about it?

[muncyweb]

Yay! List view is back!!

[TheSpaz]

I'm constantly amazed by the number of people on this forum who say they have new machines and repeatable problems and who sit around and moan waiting for an Apple update to fix it. Have you not heard of the Apple store and the genius bar? If your dvd really crashes 'every other time', take it to the x*??!! Apple store and get it fixed! Why is that so difficult?? It is most likely a faulty drive - but instead of going and doing something about it, you sit around forever waiting and complaining for a software fix that'll never come.

I don't think a genius at a genius bar is going to fix software bugs for you. Do I take my computer to him and say "There's a bug in the current version of Leopard... can you fix it for me?" Hahahahahahaha... you're funny.

[Kilamite]

I don't think a genius at a genius bar is going to fix software bugs for you. Do I take my computer to him and say "There's a bug in the current version of Leopard... can you fix it for me?" Hahahahahahaha... you're funny.

Also considering probably a fair bunch of the Genius's still haven't got the grasps of Leopard either, nevermind fix something in it.

[TheSpaz]

Yay! List view is back!!

Woah... have you been hiding under a rock?

[darthraige]

Anyone remember what the time span was between the 10.5.1 seed rumored and when it actually was available for the public?

[writeous]

If this doesnt come out today, I will attempt to skysurf, using my MBP as the board. Im sick of using XP for a reliable wifi connection.

[Mickinator]

I hope that the update will fix the U.S. sub-prime mortgage crisis.

Who cares about that? It'd be much more important if they could get Duke Nukem released! :cool:

[Tosser]

Could have fixed that more easily just by manually resetting permissions on the Applications folder.

Haha, yes, you would think that would work, right? However, for some strange reason I wasn't allowed to select myself as the one with the permissions. Hence the reinstall of the update.

No amount of fiddling with user permissions (manual or otherwise) solved the problem.

[0racle]

Have you not heard of the Apple store and the genius bar?

Not heard of it? Hell, I've talked to those supposed "Geniuses." They're geek squad in black shirts. You'd get as much help with your mac talking to them as you would talking to the bag boy at your local grocery store.

[Surely]

The one that's 145 miles away? 3 hours driving? Yeah, what about it?

How dare you live more than 15 minutes away from the Apple Store?!?!? You should be ashamed of yourself.:D

I think it's hilarious that there are people out there that think that everyone only lives 5 minutes away from everything. It's almost.... cute.

[MrT8064]

I don't have to do that :confused:

Hmm.. this is strange, i wonder if i need to change a setting, if there is a setting to prevent the password request, then any ideas were it is?

[iCeFuSiOn]

I can think of one "known issue" - it's not out yet! :p
Haha, yeah that's a good point :p what do you think the chances of it being out today are anyway?

[macpro2000]

I'll bet most of us who regular MacRumors forums etc could easily outsmart most 'geniuses' at the apple stores. I know I could.


Not heard of it? Hell, I've talked to those supposed "Geniuses." They're geek squad in black shirts. You'd get as much help with your mac talking to them as you would talking to the bag boy at your local grocery store.

[morespce54]

Hi Steve.

So.

With all the minimalization of devices achieved and coming soon, I want a way to achieve bulletproof backward compatibility. I want an iPod dock like port that does the following from a dongle:

Ethernet 10/100/1000/10000
FW400
FW800/3200
USB 1/2/3
ADB/PS2/DB9
Composite Video/HDI/xx
and more

I realize the device itself will be a sphere or rectangulator with the wierdest surface ever. So price it at $299 retail and impress us with the interface driver. Dock it.

Rocketman


It should julienne fries too. Otherwise it should be priced around $279.


No that would be after the initial release. When everybody will scream because their old dock can't do "Composite Video/HDI/xx" also... Then the $20 rebate will be offered... ;)


Seriously, I can't wait to have a fully functional OS once again! Doh, I did some sarcasm again... dargn! ;)

[darthraige]

I'll bet most of us who regular MacRumors forums etc could easily outsmart most 'geniuses' at the apple stores. I know I could.

I kinda did. It was great. He didn't even want to do further tests on the machine because everything I was mentioning he was agreeing with. But still, the Genius' are far more better than phone support.

[centauratlas]

Thank you for posting that. It saved me the trouble of doing so.
:-)

10.5.0 was not a software update. It was the retail pressing of the DVD.

10.4.1 mon. 5/16/05

10.4.2 tue. 7/12/05

10.4.3 mon. 10/31/05

10.4.4 tue. 1/10/06

10.4.5 tue. 2/14/06

10.4.6 mon. 4/03/06

10.4.7 tue. 6/27/06

10.4.8 fri. 9/29/06 ( oddball )

10.4.9 tue.3/13/07

10.4.10 wed. 6/20/07

10.5.0 fri. 10/26/07 ( retail disc )

10.4.11 wed. 11/14/07

10.5.1 thu. 11/15/07 ( build 9B18 )

10.5.1 tue. 1/8/08 ( build 9B116? Mac Pro 3,1 )

[Surely]

Interesting. Maybe it is coming today? I just ran Software Update, and this is what happened (see photo below). It didn't happen a couple of hours ago. Oh, and there is nothing wrong with my network, Network Diagnostics told me so.

[TheSpaz]

I kinda did. It was great. He didn't even want to do further tests on the machine because everything I was mentioning he was agreeing with. But still, the Genius' are far more better than phone support.

Yeah, it's funny sometimes when you're talking to them and you tell them that you've tried this, this, this, this, this, this and they can't think of anything else for you to try... THAT's when you know you're pretty smart with Macs.

[iCeFuSiOn]

Interesting. Maybe it is coming today? I just ran Software Update, and this is what happened (see photo below). It didn't happen a couple of hours ago. Oh, and there is nothing wrong with my network, Network Diagnostics told me so.
I just ran Software Update and it told me there were no new updates available.

[John Purple]

I just ran Software Update and it told me there were no new updates available.

Isn't it 7.33 a.m in California???

[Surely]

I just ran Software Update and it told me there were no new updates available.

Weird. In all of the years that I've used Macs, I've never had that window pop up when I've ran Software Update. Maybe it's just a weird coincidence. But if it isn't..... you heard it here first! :rolleyes:

[Kar98]

Weird. In all of the years that I've used Macs, I've never had that window pop up when I've ran Software Update.

Oh yes! The first day or two after Leo came out

[TPALTony]

There's not one single thing that works! I usually have a wi-fi printer (via AirPort Extreme base) and it doesn't work! hard drives won't work either.

There's obviously something very specific to either certain chipsets or certain routers (I know, it isn't supposed to matter!)

I back up two macs to a third mac over wifi (using Time Machine) with no issues whatsoever, ever. My wifi works flawlessly (better than under Tiger.)

I'm using two AEBS to create my wireless network and I have around 20 devices (g or n) connected to it.

I keep reading all these issues people are having and I can't believe I'm simply lucky (there's no precedent for that with me and technology!) So I wonder if there's any data out there for the exact nature of the setup people with wifi issues have, versus those who don't.

Very odd!

[arkmannj]

I hope the server version of the update includes a fix for iTunes 7.6, iTunes has basically been useless on that machine (freezing, becoming non responsive) and I'm not sure if it was from the iTunes update or 10.5.1 since I actually applied them at about the same time.

but this is the machine I use to serve all my content to Apple TV, use it as a DVR (withe a TV Tuner), etc...

Also, I've noticed that sometimes My Airport Extreme appears as a PC Server (with the tan monitor, blue screen of death icon)

[TPALTony]

I kinda did. It was great. He didn't even want to do further tests on the machine because everything I was mentioning he was agreeing with. But still, the Genius' are far more better than phone support.

Compare a Mac Genius to a Best Buy Geek? Now there's a "night and day" situation!

A friend of mine had her machine (windows) refuse to boot. Kept booting, rebooting, rebooting etc etc. She hadn't updated virus software in living memory and she had a ton of viruses.

Best Buy told her she needed a new hard drive and that would require a new copy of XP (she was told her existing license was no good anymore) and they wanted to charge her $650!

I booted her machine into recovery mode and restored it to factory condition from the restore partition (after putting her drive in a USB enclosure and copying all her data off first.) Took 2 hours (plus about 8 goes round the houses with Microsoft Update till it decided it was up to date.) Cost: $0!

Mac geniuses are pretty good on the whole, and I've certainly never gotten advice THAT bad from them!

[skeen]

Has anyone noticed that Smart Folders don't work in Front Row? That really sucks - I created a cool Smart Folder that would list my recently downloaded video, but alas, Smart Folders are not supported by Front Row. I hope they'll address this at some point.

[TPALTony]

"... fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, fuzzy wuzzy had no hair ..."

Are you serious?!?! Fuzzy wuzzy was a WOMAN?!

[Peace]

Has anyone noticed that Smart Folders don't work in Front Row? That really sucks - I created a cool Smart Folder that would list my recently downloaded video, but alas, Smart Folders are not supported by Front Row. I hope they'll address this at some point.

Smart folders are not real folders.They merely serve as a placeholder for a search.More like a metafile than an actual folder.They just look like a folder because of the icon.

There is nothing to address.:)

[TPALTony]

Has anyone noticed that Smart Folders don't work in Front Row? That really sucks - I created a cool Smart Folder that would list my recently downloaded video, but alas, Smart Folders are not supported by Front Row. I hope they'll address this at some point.

Even MORE irritating... Rented movies don't show up in Front Row! I have to open them inside iTunes.

Anyone else have the issue where the dock appears after a while in QuickTime full view (NOT Front Row)? Happens to me a lot, and my dock isn't set to auto hide.

[Kar98]

Compare a Mac Genius to a Best Buy Geek? Now there's a "night and day" situation!
...
Best Buy told her she needed a new hard drive and that would require a new copy of XP (she was told her existing license was no good anymore) and they wanted to charge her $650!
...
Mac geniuses are pretty good on the whole, and I've certainly never gotten advice THAT bad from them!

Except that one time they told me the cost to upgrade the RAM in my then current G4 mini would be "around $480" for 1GB of RAM. (for one 168 pin module of 1GB, available for $48 back then).

[JML42691]

Compare a Mac Genius to a Best Buy Geek? Now there's a "night and day" situation!

A friend of mine had her machine (windows) refuse to boot. Kept booting, rebooting, rebooting etc etc. She hadn't updated virus software in living memory and she had a ton of viruses.

Best Buy told her she needed a new hard drive and that would require a new copy of XP (she was told her existing license was no good anymore) and they wanted to charge her $650!

I booted her machine into recovery mode and restored it to factory condition from the restore partition (after putting her drive in a USB enclosure and copying all her data off first.) Took 2 hours (plus about 8 goes round the houses with Microsoft Update till it decided it was up to date.) Cost: $0!

Mac geniuses are pretty good on the whole, and I've certainly never gotten advice THAT bad from them!
Here is a story that our local ABC station (WCVB-5) aired in mid-November investigating computer repair prices and quality of the job, all that the people did was intentionally disable the laptop's Hard Drive, and only one of the three repair shops (Comp USA) was able to repair the actual cause. The Geek Squad guy was way off on his diagnostic of the problem. There are videos of the repairs and such on the page, here is the link:

Article Link (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14599349/detail.html)

[arkmannj]

Smart folders are not real folders.They merely serve as a placeholder for a search.More like a metafile than an actual folder.They just look like a folder because of the icon.

There is nothing to address.:)

Perhaps, but then I would think someone could argue they need to change the icon, if it is going to look like a folder to the average user, then it should probably be able to act like one.

personally how it behaves now doesn't bother me, but I could see how it could be confusing to people.

[Peace]

Even MORE irritating... Rented movies don't show up in Front Row! I have to open them inside iTunes.

Anyone else have the issue where the dock appears after a while in QuickTime full view (NOT Front Row)? Happens to me a lot, and my dock isn't set to auto hide.

You do realize a new version of Front Row is due out in a week don't you ? ;)

[skeen]

Smart folders are not real folders.They merely serve as a placeholder for a search.More like a metafile than an actual folder.They just look like a folder because of the icon.

There is nothing to address.:)

Who cares that they're not real folders? Neither are aliases, and they work. They create the illusion of a folder - that's the point; so I would say that there is something to address. Smart Folders. Not so smart after all.

[Snowy_River]

They had the perfect way to organize TV shows in Tiger, but then in Leopard they changed it slightly. Instead of listing each tv show, then each season in the next menu level, Leopard initially just put all episodes of a particular series into a big list after you chose the series. Not the greatest system, but still much better than what they have now. In the root menu for tv shows, they now make a seperate entry for each season for each show(some of mine have up to 10 seasons) and whats worse is that they don't TELL you which season it is in the menu, you pretty much have to guess.

This is an inexplicably dumb move from Apple, who had a really sharp UI for this prodcut to start with then just seems tried to intentionally destroy it. These really makes me mad because Front Row was one of the big reasons I upgraded from a powerbook. The ability to basically have a remote that allowed my mac to act as a TV for all my purchased iTunes shows and dvds(ripped with handbrake) was great. But Apple has gone and made the UI almost unusable. I would go back to Tiger, but I have an SR macbook, so that isn't possible.

However, the odds of that being fixed in 10.5.2 are pretty slim. Anyone know of a good front row replacement that is compatible with the apple remote?

I tend to agree. There are a number of issues with Front Row 2 that need to be addressed. I generally don't like to keep all my movies / videos / etc. in iTunes, but rather keep them stored in folders in the Movie folder. They show up fine and I have a lot of control over how they are arranged, but, for some unknown reason, because they are not in iTunes, Front Row won't remember where I stopped watching one of them. This is a ridiculous limitation. If Front Row can remember where I stopped in a video in one place (iTunes) it should remember where I stop in a video somewhere else (Movie folder).

[Deerhunter04]

You do realize a new version of Front Row is due out in a week don't you ? ;)

Hmm, i haven't seen anything about a new FR. Can you post a link? Maybe i just missed it.

[TBi]

Who cares that they're not real folders? Neither are aliases, and they work. They create the illusion of a folder - that's the point; so I would say that there is something to address. Smart Folders. Not so smart after all.

Aliases are different from smart folders. An alias is a built in function in the file system, I.E. the file system/kernel does all the work and front row talks to the file system, whereas smart folders are controlled by finder, which front row doesn't talk directly to.

(This is not exactly accurate but it's an easy way to understand the difference :) )

[Roy Hobbs]

Hmm, i haven't seen anything about a new FR. Can you post a link? Maybe i just missed it.

I think they are referring to the :apple:TV software update

[Deerhunter04]

I think they are referring to the :apple:TV software update

Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks!

[SheriffParker]

Wow, 10.5.2 looks like its gonna be a home run. Awesome. :)

[MrT8064]

hmm so how likely is it that 10.5.2 is released today? i'm in the UK, and would love to know if its worth staying up for!!

[jlbrown23]

Here is a story that our local ABC station (WCVB-5) aired in mid-November investigating computer repair prices and quality of the job, all that the people did was intentionally disable the laptop's Hard Drive, and only one of the three repair shops (Comp USA) was able to repair the actual cause. The Geek Squad guy was way off on his diagnostic of the problem. There are videos of the repairs and such on the page, here is the link:

Article Link (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14599349/detail.html)

Appalling, but not even a little bit surprising. I know that when I am in CC & BB, I routinely hear the "experts" telling customers the worst sort of BS and misdirection(CompUSA was better, Microcenter better still). I can barely keep myself from telling the customer how wrong the sales guy is and why. I know when they ask me if I need help, I always want to say "No, but is there anything YOU would like to know?"

I've always felt that Apple stores could be better, but that the alternatives are so unbelievably awful that Apple folks are very good in comparison. They still want to replace the logic board every time you have a loose wire, but they at least know SOMETHING about the products they sell(they're not just working there to get an employee discount on Playstation games).

[Kilamite]

hmm so how likely is it that 10.5.2 is released today? i'm in the UK, and would love to know if its worth staying up for!!

It'll be there tomorrow - why do you need to stay up just to download a software update?

[lazyrighteye]

So from the screenshot the Menu Bar Opacity is either on/off, am I wrong?

I hope that it's not the case. Atleast let us go from 0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100%.

Slider?

[MacAddict1978]

You do realize a new version of Front Row is due out in a week don't you ? ;)

front row was updated like a week or 2 ago with the last updates.
it didn't do much of anything.... except now loading movie trailers doesn't take 10 minutes

[EagerDragon]

Hi Steve.

So.

With all the minimalization of devices achieved and coming soon, I want a way to achieve bulletproof backward compatibility. I want an iPod dock like port that does the following from a dongle:

Ethernet 10/100/1000/10000
FW400
FW800/3200
USB 1/2/3
ADB/PS2/DB9
Composite Video/HDI/xx
and more

I realize the device itself will be a sphere or rectangulator with the wierdest surface ever. So price it at $299 retail and impress us with the interface driver. Dock it.

Rocketman

:)

Sounds cool for future laptops (mainly a docking station).
I would not think it would be pretty with today's laptop as they need to coonect via cables to the dock and let the dock have the full hub capabilities. With todays laptops and desktops you will have a maze of cable going to this device to make it serve it to the real devices.

[AppleMojo]

There's not one single thing that works! I usually have a wi-fi printer (via AirPort Extreme base) and it doesn't work! hard drives won't work either.

I have a 24" iMac that is wireless and networking obviously works alright with it for network. It also does wireless Time Machine backup to an Xserve's firewire disk store, prints wireless, etc

I haven't had any of the wireless problems posted here, yet I have had other minor interface and UI problems with Leopard.

I would imagine, that it just appears to be a larger issue than it is. The whole loud minority thing comes to mind.

[MacAddict1978]

I don't think a genius at a genius bar is going to fix software bugs for you. Do I take my computer to him and say "There's a bug in the current version of Leopard... can you fix it for me?" Hahahahahahaha... you're funny.

considering not everyone has these problems it may not be a bug in leopard. or it could be something you downloaded. Or it is faulty hardware. 90% of the bugs people whine about I have no issues with on any of the 4 macs I put leopard on.

And actually, quite a few of the bugs they had temporary work arounds for like the aiport connection dropping out. If you sit on your balls and they that they hurt, good for you!

[skyrider007]

I can't wait for 10.5.2!!!!!!!!!!

[AppleMojo]

I totally agree, Apple complains about Vista's security warnings, in Leopard you have to allow putting an application into the applications folder, allow a video to be opened if its downloaded... its far worse than Tiger with regard to security!!

unless theres a button which i can turn off?

Yeah... thats the proof alright, you just blew the secret of Leopard security out the window.

All chipsets are "cheap" what computer maker would use an "expensive" chipset......

I like that.

[The Tuck]

Aghahhhh!!! Stop teasing us. Haha Why am I so excited about a little incremental update?

[W1LLk]

Another thing I wish this seed/update would include is the proper recognition of adobe file types. Currently leopard has to be reset to grab the correct icon. It just looks like crap and is annoying to see .ai files show up as generic .PDF documents, even with the .ai extension.

On a side note, is there a quick way to switch documents from preview mode to just the affiliated programs icon?

[AppleMojo]

The one that's 145 miles away? 3 hours driving? Yeah, what about it?

Thats not Apple's fault. Real Apple fans move closer into the protective aura of the nearest Apple Store.

[W1LLk]

Aghahhhh!!! Stop teasing us. Haha Why am I so excited about a little incremental update?

Because you know as well as we do its like slow leaking bits of candy to a hyper-hypo. New features unlocked give us the power to pull mommies car home.

[AppleMojo]

Not heard of it? Hell, I've talked to those supposed "Geniuses." They're geek squad in black shirts. You'd get as much help with your mac talking to them as you would talking to the bag boy at your local grocery store.

Agree. The use of the word 'Genius' has gotten a little loose over there at the local Apple store.

I'll bet most of us who regular MacRumors forums etc could easily outsmart most 'geniuses' at the apple stores. I know I could.

My guess: 8% can, 90% think they can and the other 2% work at the Genius Bar.

[hugodrax]

Can you put a ruler banner that shows how many inches closer to macs the 10.5.2 is at the current moment? Make it a dynamic banner.

[JML42691]

Can you put a ruler banner that shows how many inches closer to macs the 10.5.2 is at the current moment? Make it a dynamic banner.
Huh? Nobody knows for sure when the actual release will be (well, a select few do). It was rumored for today, but that is basically it.

[the Helix]

Yeah, and people who have the latest high end cameras (i.e., Nikon D3, D300) need to be able to see their photographs and they won't be able to do that until this update is made available.

[Reach]

Thats not Apple's fault. Real Apple fans move closer into the protective aura of the nearest Apple Store.

There are some that fear the increased possibility of diseases in the long run from living inside the Reality Distortion Field that is projected from the Apple Stores, so we move outside it's range.

[Spike Lightfoot]

I think people are having problems with printers and disks connected directly to the AEBS. Like you, I have no problems backing up two computers to a USB disk hosted by another Mac. It seems the problems lie with the AEBS-USB link.

There's obviously something very specific to either certain chipsets or certain routers (I know, it isn't supposed to matter!)

I back up two macs to a third mac over wifi (using Time Machine) with no issues whatsoever, ever. My wifi works flawlessly (better than under Tiger.)

I'm using two AEBS to create my wireless network and I have around 20 devices (g or n) connected to it.

I keep reading all these issues people are having and I can't believe I'm simply lucky (there's no precedent for that with me and technology!) So I wonder if there's any data out there for the exact nature of the setup people with wifi issues have, versus those who don't.

Very odd!

[ajbgmex]

How about fixing the iDisk syncing problem in 10.5.1?
The one when syncing it takes all HD´s space until you have 0KB.

Thanks,

AJ

[MrT8064]

It'll be there tomorrow - why do you need to stay up just to download a software update?

because i'm sad like that!:(

[Clix Pix]

Yeah, and people who have the latest high end cameras (i.e., Nikon D3, D300) need to be able to see their photographs and they won't be able to do that until this update is made available.

I've heard that this indeed will be a part of the new update -- hooray! Been waiting since late November for this! In the meantime I"ve been either shooting in jpg and post-processing in Aperture or shooting in RAW and post-processing in CS3. I will be SOOOO happy when I can finally PP my RAW D3 and D300 images in Aperture!

<Clicks on "Software Update" -- is it here yet?>

[ffakr]

No known issues my ass. They've got my bug report on the last build.

ffakr

[ffakr]

Huh? Nobody knows for sure when the actual release will be (well, a select few do). It was rumored for today, but that is basically it.

It's rather unlikely that Apple will push an update a day after a build. It's also rather unlikely that they will push an update on a Saturday.

I'd be absolutely shocked if this was released before Monday at the earliest.

ffakr

[seashellz2]

if im not mistaken I could swear ive seen a Saturday release or two
It might need a finishing touch tonight but everyone goes home;
Im sure some staff work at APPLE on weekends so that finishing touch would go in and then Viola! -a Saturday release of 10.5.2

[evilbert420]

God, these apps on Leopard are the flakiest apps I've used in years. The constant crashing (yes, clean loads and wiped prefs) of these two apps is ridiculous (and it's only these two apps, so it's not my system).

[skyrider007]

if im not mistaken I could swear ive seen a Saturday release or two
It might need a finishing touch tonight but everyone goes home;
Im sure some staff work at APPLE on weekends so that finishing touch would go in and then Viola! -a Saturday release of 10.5.2

let's hope they release it by the end of today

[hassiman]

Have there been any changes made to the Leopard firewall ?

[guzhogi]

There are some that fear the increased possibility of diseases in the long run from living inside the Reality Distortion Field that is projected from the Apple Stores, so we move outside it's range.

Then you aren't a true Apple fan. If you were, you'd know that those aren't diseases; they're cures!

[numbsafari]

let's hope they release it by the end of today

Let's hope they test it adequately and release it when it is ready so we don't have this problem next month :)

[Reach]

Let's hope they test it adequately and release it when it is ready so we don't have this problem next month :)

IF the reason I'm waiting for my Mac Pro with the 8800GT is this damn update, I hope they just release it NOW and fix it later, so I can finally get my computer.. :p

[4God]

Let's hope they test it adequately and release it when it is ready so we don't have this problem next month :)

I'm kinda with you. Let's hope they already tested it adequately and release it 'cause it's ready today. Then we won't have this problem next month. :D

[Loudwater]

I thought it was going to be today... LOL

I don't know why my Safari is having some problems these days: either unexpectedly quit, or start burning CPU which I can tell when the fans start screaming and stop after I quit Safari.

[Snowy_River]

I can't wait for 10.5.2!!!!!!!!!!

Alas, I'm afraid that you'll have to... ;)

[BWhaler]

This looks to be a major set of fixes.

I hated how it took many updates to get Tiger stable, so while I think it is shameful for Apple to have released Leopard in the state it did, I am most pleased that they took the time to do a major patch.

My hope is 10.5.2 takes Leopard to the quality we expect from Apple and not the quality Microsoft spreads on the world.

My only regret from what I have read is there has not been a serious re-think on Spaces, as there have been on other poorly thought-through aspects of Leopard (Stacks, transparent menu, etc.) I would have loved Spaces, but the implementation is just too poorly executed.

But to end on a positive note, I hope this is everything we want it to be--a release with hundreds and hundreds of bugs removed bringing us the Leopard should have given us in the first place.

[Peace]

This build will not be released until the new Time Capsule ships and also not until the new Interface for Front Row is ready.

I'd hang around until Feb. 1st or the 5th.

[Reach]

I think it is shameful for Apple to have released Leopard in the state it did

Shameful? Really? I have used it on all my Macs (4) without any issues, and so have those I know. So while that doesn't mean it's perfect, I think "shameful" is a bit strong..

[ncsmith4]

My only regret from what I have read is there has not been a serious re-think on Spaces, as there have been on other poorly thought-through aspects of Leopard (Stacks, transparent menu, etc.) I would have loved Spaces, but the implementation is just too poorly executed.

How exactly would have have had it done? Whats wrong with it? I think Spaces is BRILLIANT and I actually have yet to meet a single person who uses it and does not absolutely LOVE it.

[Spike Lightfoot]

How exactly would have have had it done? Whats wrong with it? I think Spaces is BRILLIANT and I actually have yet to meet a single person who uses it and does not absolutely LOVE it.

I have to agree with ncsmith4. Living in Linuxland half the time, I was grateful to be able to use VirtueDesktops on Tiger. Spaces and Time Machine were my top two reasons for jumping to Leopard. And if Spaces didn't work as well as it does now, I'd consider moving back to Tiger, despite VirtureDesktop's flakiness.

[pyramid6]

I have Leopard on an first gen. intel imac, a first gen intel macbook pro, a mac pro, and a macbook, and none of them have issues. I just need D300 support. I understand other have issues, and I feel for them. I think Leopard is a damn good OS. I still have issues with XP, and how old is it? Not that I think Apple does everything right, but I would put Leopard towards the bottom of my list.

P6

[lazyrighteye]

Realistically what will happen is the need for a dock will just disappear. Everything will be wireless.

Agreed.
When Apple dropped the floppy, there was a big "WTF?!?" in the community.
The same thing is happening here with the Air. Dropping the optical drive, in my mind, simply indicates we are a lot closer to our "copies" of apps, OSes, etc. sitting on some server somewhere and not on a physical disc on our book shelves.

Remote Disc represents the 1st step towards an optical-less future - bridging our dependence & freedom from optical drives and supported media. We're still a few years from that concept as mainstream, but it would seem inevitable, from what very little I know about such things. Maybe?

A similar thing is happening to physical cables - they're phasing out.
Much like when those 1st iMacs shipped, with their dramatically reduced cable clutter, we're seeing the evolution of this with the Air - 1 cable. For power. I can't imagine we're not far from batteries recharging wirelessly (bluetooth, WiFi, ?) if not the entire device running of some over-the-air power supply.

[TheSpaz]

I think for people who have the issue and the people who do not have the issues... it depends on many factors such as:

Your particular configuration and 3rd party add-ons
The kind of work you're doing
Your workflow habits

For example: Just because you can browse the web, listen to music and check your mail without problems, doesn't mean that other people who are doing more complicated things won't have problems either. I think I use my computer for FAR more than the average user does.

[pyramid6]

Yeah, and people who have the latest high end cameras (i.e., Nikon D3, D300) need to be able to see their photographs and they won't be able to do that until this update is made available.


Does anyone know for sure the D3/D300 will be in the build? All the rumored release notes do not show the camera support as being updated.

P6

[Virgil-TB2]

I hope 10.5.2 is more stabled than 10.5.1As in "fit's in with the horse and buggy?"

[Virgil-TB2]

10.5.0 was not a software update. It was the retail pressing of the DVD.

10.4.1 mon. 5/16/05

10.4.2 tue. 7/12/05

10.4.3 mon. 10/31/05

10.4.4 tue. 1/10/06

10.4.5 tue. 2/14/06

10.4.6 mon. 4/03/06

10.4.7 tue. 6/27/06

10.4.8 fri. 9/29/06 ( oddball )

10.4.9 tue.3/13/07

10.4.10 wed. 6/20/07

10.5.0 fri. 10/26/07 ( retail disc )

10.4.11 wed. 11/14/07

10.5.1 thu. 11/15/07 ( build 9B18 )

10.5.1 tue. 1/8/08 ( build 9B116? Mac Pro 3,1 )This timing kind of implies that on a given Friday, the team leader says:

"OK, it looks finished and it's on the server, go home for the weekend and take a well deserved break. If no one finds anything else, we'll pull the trigger on it Monday morning."

[Reach]

I think for people who have the issue and the people who do not have the issues... it depends on many factors such as:

Your particular configuration and 3rd party add-ons
The kind of work you're doing
Your workflow habits

For example: Just because you can browse the web, listen to music and check your mail without problems, doesn't mean that other people who are doing more complicated things won't have problems either. I think I use my computer for FAR more than the average user does.

Yea, I think I do too, but that doesn't mean Leopard sucks. CS3, Logic and FCS2, Leopard has treated me great under Leopard on both a G5 and a MBP.

[SolRayz]

I don't think a genius at a genius bar is going to fix software bugs for you. Do I take my computer to him and say "There's a bug in the current version of Leopard... can you fix it for me?" Hahahahahahaha... you're funny.

Wow that would be horrible if we had to do that!:eek:

edit: Well I shouldn't bash them cause they have been good to me thus far. Last year I got a kernel panic and was unable to boot. Turned out to be a program I was running that unbenounced to me was a debugger version and ended up consuming 29GB and filling up my HD with console.log jibberish. The genius was able to delete that file on the spot via firewire boot. Good guy for sure!

[pyramid6]

I think for people who have the issue and the people who do not have the issues... it depends on many factors such as:

Your particular configuration and 3rd party add-ons
The kind of work you're doing
Your workflow habits

For example: Just because you can browse the web, listen to music and check your mail without problems, doesn't mean that other people who are doing more complicated things won't have problems either. I think I use my computer for FAR more than the average user does.

Trust me, a lot of people use their computers hard and don't have trouble. As you said it depends on a lot of factors.

P6

[ColinM]

I would love for 10.5.2 to be released today. Ever since I upgraded to 10.5.1, my simpletech drive won't mount, and I would truly love for this to get fixed. I had to try an erase and install to get Leopard on my computer, followed by sending it to a tech shop for 4 weeks. And everything I backed up is on there. I miss my music. :(

Let's hope for a release today!

[SolrFlare]

A similar thing is happening to physical cables - they're phasing out.
Much like when those 1st iMacs shipped, with their dramatically reduced cable clutter, we're seeing the evolution of this with the Air - 1 cable. For power. I can't imagine we're not far from batteries recharging wirelessly (bluetooth, WiFi, ?) if not the entire device running of some over-the-air power supply.

Not quite yet. But the next step will probably be the recharge pad instead. So, instead of a cable, you just toss your laptop down on a pad and it feeds the electricity through those. Thats well known existing tech that would fit in nicely.

Couple that with the technology already in the air and there you go. A completely cableless mac.

[garty]

God, these apps on Leopard are the flakiest apps I've used in years. The constant crashing (yes, clean loads and wiped prefs) of these two apps is ridiculous (and it's only these two apps, so it's not my system).

Maybe not your system who knows, but I've not had one single crash in Safari on Leopard.

[W1LLk]

Maybe not your system who knows, but I've not had one single crash in Safari on Leopard.

Neither have I, The only thing I've noticed with Leopard is that the occasional CD-r gets "fake" burned in iTunes and spits out a disc error.

Then again, thats what happens when you buy the discount spool at Best Buy :rolleyes:.

[gotohamish]

Does anyone know for sure the D3/D300 will be in the build? All the rumored release notes do not show the camera support as being updated.

P6

Camera Raw supports is already:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Are you waiting for iPhoto/Aperture support?

[writeous]

I guess its safe to say that this update isnt coming out today:(

[lazyrighteye]

Looking like a next week release...

[TheSpaz]

Looking like a next week release...

Damn.

[skyrider007]

Damn.

I've been expecting it too! :(

[Amdahl]

A similar thing is happening to physical cables - they're phasing out.
Much like when those 1st iMacs shipped, with their dramatically reduced cable clutter, we're seeing the evolution of this with the Air - 1 cable. For power. I can't imagine we're not far from batteries recharging wirelessly (bluetooth, WiFi, ?) if not the entire device running of some over-the-air power supply.

Lay off the weed. We're at least a decade before media discs are obsolete. The Air doesn't have a drive because Apple couldn't fit it in and maintain their design goals. It is not a statement on the imminent demise of discs.

[JohnnyMac76]

Does anyone know if the issues with photoshop (crop tool inaccuracy, etc.) will be resolved in the latest update? My apologies if this has already been posted :)

[hayesk]

No known issues my ass. They've got my bug report on the last build.

I don't think you understand what they mean by "no known issues." Known issues are generally things that prevent you from testing or causing large-scale data loss. It doesn't mean "no known bugs in the software at all." I don't think there is any commercial software that is bug-free.

[SirROM]

I guess its safe to say that this update isnt coming out today:(

When Apple releases something like this, it is typically after 5pm EST. At the time of this post, we still have a few minutes and possible another 1-2 hour window before we can say for sure it will not be until next week at the earliest.

[timish]

I don't think you understand what they mean by "no known issues." Known issues are generally things that prevent you from testing or causing large-scale data loss. It doesn't mean "no known bugs in the software at all." I don't think there is any commercial software that is bug-free.

Solitaire on Windows is a pretty solid app.

It has to be. The success of many an office worker depends on the stability of that one app. It's most likely the most used application in a business environment.
:)

[netdog]

It's coming today.

And when it comes, the Air is going to start shipping.

[AidenShaw]

Remote Disc represents the 1st step towards an optical-less future - bridging our dependence & freedom from optical drives and supported media.

Windows has been able to read remote DVD and CD drives since before there were CD and DVD drives (an exaggeration of course, but it's been there so long that I can't remember when it wasn't possible).

"Remote Disc" is just a hack done so that the external drive was a requirement for the MacBook Air.

Windows systems (and Linux/Solaris/...) can do a full network install from a network boot if needed - the boot loader is streamed from a server, then the OS files are loaded and installed.

That's much closer to an "optical-less future" than a hack to let the BIOS/EFI mount a remote DVD.

[dumbassmike]

I have a 24" iMac that is wireless and networking obviously works alright with it for network. It also does wireless Time Machine backup to an Xserve's firewire disk store, prints wireless, etc

I haven't had any of the wireless problems posted here, yet I have had other minor interface and UI problems with Leopard.

I would imagine, that it just appears to be a larger issue than it is. The whole loud minority thing comes to mind.

No... There are wireless problems with Leopard alright. I work at a Windows centric company. Wireless on my MacBook Pro works flawlessly when booted into the Vista Boot Camp partition. It hasn't worked in Mac OS since I "upgraded" to Leopard. I've spent hours tweaking it.

Even though the company is geared toward Vista there is a relatively large Mac contingent. The discussion around wireless networking problems under Leopard exposes a big dark underbelly with support for certificates in Mac OS X 10.5.0 & 10.5.1 specifically and standard network security support in general. Apple's wireless support is OK for home and consumer use. It's far from industrial strength though.

[icoffee]

I'm surprised that all previous Mac owners are not getting charged $20.00 to upgrade...whoops, my bad, thats the iPod. :D Guess it will only cost $10.52

[squirrelist]

Windows has been able to read remote DVD and CD drives since before there were CD and DVD drives (an exaggeration of course, but it's been there so long that I can't remember when it wasn't possible).

"Remote Disc" is just a hack done so that the external drive was a requirement for the MacBook Air.

Windows systems (and Linux/Solaris/...) can do a full network install from a network boot if needed - the boot loader is streamed from a server, then the OS files are loaded and installed.

That's much closer to an "optical-less future" than a hack to let the BIOS/EFI mount a remote DVD.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has ever been able to play a CSS-encrypted DVD over the network before. Also, this is the first time anyone has ever been able to boot from a DVD over a WIRELESS network. Apple rarely invents new technologies. But they are damn good at making synergy from existing technologies.

[stevetim]

Agreed.
When Apple dropped the floppy, there was a big "WTF?!?" in the community.
The same thing is happening here with the Air. Dropping the optical drive, in my mind, simply indicates we are a lot closer to our "copies" of apps, OSes, etc. sitting on some server somewhere and not on a physical disc on our book shelves.

Remote Disc represents the 1st step towards an optical-less future - bridging our dependence & freedom from optical drives and supported media. We're still a few years from that concept as mainstream, but it would seem inevitable, from what very little I know about such things. Maybe?

A similar thing is happening to physical cables - they're phasing out.
Much like when those 1st iMacs shipped, with their dramatically reduced cable clutter, we're seeing the evolution of this with the Air - 1 cable. For power. I can't imagine we're not far from batteries recharging wirelessly (bluetooth, WiFi, ?) if not the entire device running of some over-the-air power supply.

The technology for over the air power is has already been around for some years now. We are a lot closer for this tech to be introduced on cell phones right now than you may know. It will, however, probably be more of a type of pad you lay your phone on or near that induces a sort of uniform electron state in your personal device to charge the electrons. I'm too lazy to look up the specifics of the the technology but it is something along these lines.

Battery operated toothbrushes have been using an almost likewise technology, I think.

[pyramid6]

Camera Raw supports is already:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Are you waiting for iPhoto/Aperture support?

Not Camera Raw, camera support from the OS. Yes, for iPhoto/Aperture, but the OS handles raw support for those two applications.

P6

[Povilas]

No... There are wireless problems with Leopard alright. I work at a Windows centric company. Wireless on my MacBook Pro works flawlessly when booted into the Vista Boot Camp partition. It hasn't worked in Mac OS since I "upgraded" to Leopard. I've spent hours tweaking it.

Even though the company is geared toward Vista there is a relatively large Mac contingent. The discussion around wireless networking problems under Leopard exposes a big dark underbelly with support for certificates in Mac OS X 10.5.0 & 10.5.1 specifically and standard network security support in general. Apple's wireless support is OK for home and consumer use. It's far from industrial strength though.

Oh cut the crap please. There are plenty of x-files with wireless on winblows.

[andy721]

release the damn thing already:mad:

[timothyjay2004]

I don't think it's coming today. :( I thought for sure that it would and I was oddly looking forward to it. I'm one of those people that are OCD about updates and get excited for them. Maybe next week?

[gr8tfly]

The technology for over the air power is has already been around for some years now. We are a lot closer for this tech to be introduced on cell phones right now than you may know. It will, however, probably be more of a type of pad you lay your phone on or near that induces a sort of uniform electron state in your personal device to charge the electrons. I'm too lazy to look up the specifics of the the technology but it is something along these lines.

Battery operated toothbrushes have been using an almost likewise technology, I think.

It's called "induction" and has been known and understood since the early 1800's. Implant power supplies are charged this way (spinal cord stimulators, drug pumps, pace makers, cochlea implants).

[skyrider007]

It's coming today.

And when it comes, the Air is going to start shipping.

Are you sure? it's nearly midnight now!

[netdog]

Are you sure? it's nearly midnight now!

No, but it seems logical that they should want to get the Air into the channel and onto the store floors.

When people actually see this laptop, there are going to be a lot more people seduced.

They can release it late today Cupertino time. It is almost 1pm in California at the moment. There is still time.

[tomd89]

The Air needs 10.5.2 to run the multi-touch stuff doesn't it?

[timothyjay2004]

The Air needs 10.5.2 to run the multi-touch stuff doesn't it?

Not necessarily. It could have a different revision of 10.5.1 and/or drivers to include that ability.

[TheChemist]

I would really be happy if iSync supports the Nokia 6300.

The current plug-in works, but does not sync the calendars properly.

[byeehaaw]

stupid update needs to come out.... like NOW

[pyramid6]

...
They can release it late today Cupertino time. It is almost 1pm in California at the moment. There is still time.

It's closer to three. ;)

I don't think they are going to release it today.

P6

[dumbassmike]

Oh cut the crap please. There are plenty of x-files with wireless on winblows.

Yeah you're right. We should just pretend there are no problems at all. You've helped me to see the light. Sure Apple will be under no pressure to provide fixes but sensitive customers like you and me can move forward in confidence that all is perfect in the world. Gee wiz, I feel better already!

Do you have any other sage advice to impart? I've got some bit of money to invest. Any financial advice? Anything at all?

[jimthorn]

Any word on X3100 driver updates?

If the update did nothing else besides fix the X3100, I'd be happy. It needs a new driver. It runs worse than the old GMA 950 right now and it's buggy to boot. Intel's driver for Windows makes it run beautifully.

[Povilas]

Yeah you're right. We should just pretend there are no problems at all. You've helped me to see the light. Sure Apple will be under no pressure to provide fixes but sensitive customers like you and me can move forward in confidence that all is perfect in the world. Gee wiz, I feel better already!

Do you have any other sage advice to impart? I've got some bit of money to invest. Any financial advice? Anything at all?

As a matter of fact i do: get started using your head and complain no more. I have to Macs at home, work a lot on Macs at work we have very big wireles and cable network, moved to Leopard the day it came out and to this we have none known problems neither with wireless or anything else.

[Daveoc64]

Oh cut the crap please. There are plenty of x-files with wireless on winblows.

That may be the case, but for me (and others) some access points constantly disconnect when in Mac OS X, but work fine in Boot Camp on the same computer.

Conclusion: Mac OS X Leopard has some wireless issues.

Here at home, it's great. But if I use my friend's router (which happens to be one of the most popular in the UK) I pretty much just skip OS X, because it will go in an endless loop of disconnecting even with full signal.

[AidenShaw]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has ever been able to play a CSS-encrypted DVD over the network before.

Nobody has yet - Remote Disc can't do it.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/24/remote-disc-no-movie-playback-no-hd-support-and-everything-el/

You can browse the file contents of DVD discs, but you cannot actually play that media back over the network. Apple let us know that this only applies to commercial DVD media, and you should be able to play back home-burned iDVD movies via Remote Disc.
You can't rip DVDs over the network using a tool like Handbrake.
You can't browse a music CD or listen to tracks. Don't even think about burning a disc remotely.

Also, this is the first time anyone has ever been able to boot from a DVD over a WIRELESS network.

Nobody's *needed to* before the MacBook Air.

[Peace]

Nobody has yet - Remote Disc can't do it.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/24/remote-disc-no-movie-playback-no-hd-support-and-everything-el/





Nobody's *needed to* before the MacBook Air.

To be fair Aiden "nobody's" needed to boot from a floppy either.

[shawnce]

Windows systems (and Linux/Solaris/...) can do a full network install from a network boot if needed - the boot loader is streamed from a server, then the OS files are loaded and installed. ...and Mac OS X has had NetBoot and NetInstall since basically the beginning (including being exposed via option key down booting). ...aspects even existed in Mac OS days.

http://www.channelu.com/NeXT/NeXTStep/3.3/nsa/13_NetBoot.htmld/index.html

[megfilmworks]

The technology for over the air power is has already been around for some years now. We are a lot closer for this tech to be introduced on cell phones right now than you may know. It will, however, probably be more of a type of pad you lay your phone on or near that induces a sort of uniform electron state in your personal device to charge the electrons. I'm too lazy to look up the specifics of the the technology but it is something along these lines.

Battery operated toothbrushes have been using an almost likewise technology, I think.
It's called induction charging.
http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/estatics/u8l2b.html

[lazyrighteye]

Lay off the weed. We're at least a decade before media discs are obsolete. The Air doesn't have a drive because Apple couldn't fit it in and maintain their design goals. It is not a statement on the imminent demise of discs.

I'll lay off, if you try some.

I was simply commenting on the fact that discs' days are numbered.
No more. No less.
Chill.

[lazyrighteye]

Windows has been able to read remote DVD and CD drives since before there were CD and DVD drives (an exaggeration of course, but it's been there so long that I can't remember when it wasn't possible).

"Remote Disc" is just a hack done so that the external drive was a requirement for the MacBook Air.

Windows systems (and Linux/Solaris/...) can do a full network install from a network boot if needed - the boot loader is streamed from a server, then the OS files are loaded and installed.

That's much closer to an "optical-less future" than a hack to let the BIOS/EFI mount a remote DVD.

Thanks for the info.

[lazyrighteye]

The technology for over the air power is has already been around for some years now. We are a lot closer for this tech to be introduced on cell phones right now than you may know. It will, however, probably be more of a type of pad you lay your phone on or near that induces a sort of uniform electron state in your personal device to charge the electrons. I'm too lazy to look up the specifics of the the technology but it is something along these lines.

Battery operated toothbrushes have been using an almost likewise technology, I think.

Yep.
I have read bits n pieces about battery advancements and it's pretty fascinating.

[Amdahl]

Battery operated toothbrushes have been using an almost likewise technology, I think.

Don't forget the unicorn dust!

If you refer to the Sonicare, they do not use a 'likewise' technology. Any DC power converter utilizes two metal coils that are closely spaced so that they induce current from one to the other. The sonicare simply puts one coil in brush base, thus giving the illusion of magic.

[Amdahl]

I'll lay off, if you try some.

I was simply commenting on the fact that discs' days are numbered.
No more. No less.
Chill.

No, they are not, unless you are ready to provide the number. Discs are going to be here until fiber optics are coming out of every toilet in America.

[Bonsai1214]

i'm still not getting why everyone's bitching and whining for the .2 release. i mean, do you really want list view in stacks that badly? :p

[iVoid]

Re: Playing a DVD over RemoteDisc

Apple's DVD player might not do it, but maybe VLC would be able to. As long as the VIDEO_TS folder is mounted on the MPA, I'd assume it could.

Be worth someone trying it.

[uberjason]

The dvd covers/art when seeing remotely via front row.


http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php?searchid=9026075 :mad:

[moniker]

Here at home, it's great. But if I use my friend's router (which happens to be one of the most popular in the UK) I pretty much just skip OS X, because it will go in an endless loop of disconnecting even with full signal.

Just how many people are connecting to your friend's router if it is so popular?

[Povilas]

That may be the case, but for me (and others) some access points constantly disconnect when in Mac OS X, but work fine in Boot Camp on the same computer.

Conclusion: Mac OS X Leopard has some wireless issues.

Here at home, it's great. But if I use my friend's router (which happens to be one of the most popular in the UK) I pretty much just skip OS X, because it will go in an endless loop of disconnecting even with full signal.

I get same problems on lots of netwotks for example there is payed wifi network called zebra in my country and to this day i have no problems using it while with Vista i can't connect to all hotspots i use everyday and the speed on those i can use with Vista is not that good compared to OS X. I have linksys WTR series router at home it works flawless with OS X while XP and Vista seem to have speed problems with it, it's not all caused by OS, it depends on hardware as well. crappy wifi card + crappy router equals problems. faulty components can cause problems also.

[motulist]

Does anyone remember if any OS X update has ever even once come on a weekend day?

[Clix Pix]

Camera Raw supports is already:

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Are you waiting for iPhoto/Aperture support?

I most definitely am. I prefer to use Aperture for my post-processing and although I have CS3 and have done some PP in it (thanks to Adobe's quickly-updated ACR) I am still waiting for the OS X software update. It should be in this software update as it's a system thing, not just Aperture or iPhoto......

[drtyrell]

Does anyone know if the Mac Pro USB bugs have been fixed? I have $100 worth of cards I can't use because of Leopard.

[maverick808]

It's called "induction" and has been known and understood since the early 1800's. Implant power supplies are charged this way (spinal cord stimulators, drug pumps, pace makers, cochlea implants).

Induction isn't used for implants. Pace makers have batteries that will last more than 10 years... they don't use induction.

One important reason induction isn't used for much more than toothbrushes is that it's massively inefficient. Only about 20% of the power used will reach the target device. This might not matter if the device is tiny, like a toothbrush, but imagine if everyone in the world was charging laptops this way and wasting 80% of the power they used. Not only would your bills be really high, the environmentalists would flip out.

[Kar98]

i'm still not getting why everyone's bitching and whining for the .2 release. i mean, do you really want list view in stacks that badly? :p

No. I want:

Mail to ping EVERY time there's new mail
My mighty mouse to stay connected and scroll every which way I want (that's two issues, bluetooth and driver. No, it's not a hardware or dirt issue)
Connected Windows PCs to be visible in Finder
A reliable WiFi connection.
Spotlight to show ALL files again, including .plists
A decent translator widget that does more than just a few lines.
A decent movie widget that is aware of my area (without the provider having the freaking NERVE to ask ME to convince the theater to sign up with them)

That's just the things that are actually bugging me. Also, those are either advertised features, or features that have BEEN in the previous version of OSX. I couldn't give less of a :eek: about stacks and spaces and such.

[Daveoc64]

Just how many people are connecting to your friend's router if it is so popular?

Hmm, I should have expected that:rolleyes:

[gr8tfly]

Induction isn't used for implants. Pace makers have batteries that will last more than 10 years... they don't use induction.

One important reason induction isn't used for much more than toothbrushes is that it's massively inefficient. Only about 20% of the power used will reach the target device. This might not matter if the device is tiny, like a toothbrush, but imagine if everyone in the world was charging laptops this way and wasting 80% of the power they used. Not only would your bills be really high, the environmentalists would flip out.

Yes. Induction is most definitely used to charge LiIon batteries in implants. It's called transcutaneous energy transmission (TET), which uses mutual induction. It works through around 10mm of tissue. I don't know specifically about pacemakers, but I do know cochlear, drug pumps and spinal cord stimulators all use this method. Non-rechargable versions of the stimulator implants need to have batteries replaced every few years. Rechargeable LiIon versions will go for 5-7 years before requiring replacement. They need to be recharged every couple weeks (to keep above 50% charge, or so, depending on use).

I have done a lot of research on spinal-cord stimulator implants. Believe me, they charge through the skin.

As far as efficiency, I'll agree it can't be as efficient as a direct connection. If the convenience, portability, or other factors outweigh the inefficiencies, then there probably would be a good argument for its use. In the case of an implant, it reduces the frequency of surgeries to replace batteries. Also (in the case of stimulators), it gives the signal generator a higher current source - providing either stronger or longer periods of stimulation than it would be able to do with a non-rechargeable source or actually being powered through TET (no internal battery at all).

All that said, the future will bring better batteries and more efficient transmission designs/components, allowing the design of some interesting consumer devices using this method of recharging.

[motulist]

I want...
Spotlight to show ALL files again, including .plists

It already can. Go to system prefs > spotlight, then juct make 'sure search for system preferences' is checked.

[Kar98]

It already can. Go to system prefs > spotlight, then juct make 'sure search for system preferences' is checked.

Is checked. Still doesn't find *.plists.

[zoltamatron]

i'm still not getting why everyone's bitching and whining for the .2 release. i mean, do you really want list view in stacks that badly? :p

No, I want my computer to stop kernel panicking every time I disconnect my usb harddrive. Really annoying.

[ltldrummerboy]

I have the same problem, after a reboot it works ok though, but it's a pain

Loking forward to the fix

/O

Yeah, a reboot hasn't failed me yet.