Evidence for New MacBook Pros [Archive]

MacRumors

Jan 30, 2008, 10:53 AM

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Despite persistent rumors of MacBook Pro updates, we've yet to see the rumored Penryn, Multi-touch trackpad MacBook Pro revisions. However, there appears to be ongoing evidence that the MacBook Pro updates are imminent.

The current MacBook Pros which were released in June (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/05/apple-releases-new-macbook-pros-with-santa-rosa/) carry a system identifier label of "MacBookPro3,1". One reader notes that an application called MiniBatteryLogger (http://www.emeraldion.it/software/macosx/minibatterylogger.html) provides public battery tracking logs, and recently revealed (http://burgos.emeraldion.it/mbl/entry/5cba8768214db05dd629188bd1ded708) an entry with an identifier of "MacBookPro4,1". "MacBookPro4,1" is presumably the identifier for the unreleased MacBook Pro revisions. The author of the application states that the identifier is obtained automatically from the system, though there are no guarantees that it wasn't faked.

However, this same new "MacBookPro4,1" identifier has also found in the latest developer seeds of Mac OS X 10.5.2 from Apple. In contrast, the public version of Mac OS X 10.5.1 does not contain the "4,1" identifier.

In many ways, all this does is verify what we have presumed to be true... that MacBook Pro revisions are coming, and soon enough that the Mac OS X 10.5.2 will support them, but it's still somewhat reassuring for those waiting patiently (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=412084) for the new MacBook Pros.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/30/evidence-for-new-macbook-pros/)

Eidorian

Jan 30, 2008, 10:54 AM

A weak verification since it's easily faked. I just want to upgrade from my MacBook to a Pro now. :rolleyes:

Maybe we can expect 10.5.2 soon as well, again.

notjustjay

Jan 30, 2008, 10:55 AM

"waiting patiently", indeed. Well, my 12" PowerBook has lasted me this long, it can hold out just a bit longer. :)

Actually, I had to buy a 20" iMac a while back when the PowerBook hard drive died, so I'm actually pretty well set. Still, if an updated 15" MBP is sufficiently tempting, I might sell one or the other.

SwiftLives

Jan 30, 2008, 10:56 AM

I'm starting to suspect we'll see them the Tuesday after 10.5.2 is made available.

arn

Jan 30, 2008, 10:57 AM

A weak verification since it's easily faked. I just want to upgrade from my MacBook to a Pro now. :rolleyes:

Maybe we can expect 10.5.2 soon as well, again.

It is a part of 10.5.2 however - that isn't fake.

arn

olliebraves20

Jan 30, 2008, 10:57 AM

basesloaded190

Jan 30, 2008, 10:57 AM

i just want 10.5.2. i thought maybe we would get that yesterday, but i guess we can't get everything we want.. it would be cool to get the new mbp and 10.5.2 upgrade the same day though. can't wait to see if there are any surprises with the mbp or if we have guessed everything they are going to throw at us

jciapara

Jan 30, 2008, 10:58 AM

Please I've waited long enough to replace my Powerbook G4 1.25 Ghz, more than 4 years with it, now that I have the money I want to wait for the new revision!!

33scottie33

Jan 30, 2008, 10:59 AM

Thanks, arn! However, my final verification will be when my new MBP is in my :apple: shopping cart!

mozmac

Jan 30, 2008, 10:59 AM

I'm going to put "Patiently Waiting" by 50 Cent/Eminem on a continuous loop until the new MBPs are announced.

Icewind

Jan 30, 2008, 11:00 AM

Come to Papa :D

SwiftLives

Jan 30, 2008, 11:00 AM

Amateur prediction:

10.5.2 Friday (2/1)
New MacBook Pros Tuesday (2/5)

This is just based on the rumor frequency over the past few weeks.

twoodcc

Jan 30, 2008, 11:01 AM

well it seems like it can't be much longer now. maybe next week?

AdeFowler

Jan 30, 2008, 11:01 AM

A redesign please ;)

Ryanr14

Jan 30, 2008, 11:03 AM

Amateur prediction:

10.5.2 Friday (2/1)
New MacBook Pros Tuesday (2/5)

This is just based on the rumor frequency over the past few weeks.

Let's hope this to be true!

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 11:07 AM

Hic et nunc ! ;)

tothelimit

Jan 30, 2008, 11:08 AM

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

...but it's still somewhat reassuring for those waiting patiently (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=412084) for the new MacBook Pros.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/30/evidence-for-new-macbook-pros/)

reassuring indeed.

why couldn't that identifier have said "MacBookPro4,1(coming feb5)"??

calabi

Jan 30, 2008, 11:11 AM

arn have you heard anymore wispers on a specific date :(

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 11:12 AM

"MacBookPro4,1" is presumably the identifier for the unreleased MacBook Pro revisions.

Why 4.1.?
Anyone here with a 4.0 at his hands?

sinisterdesign

Jan 30, 2008, 11:13 AM

i'm saying 3rd week of Feb. i thought i heard the 24th, but i can't remember.

iPhonePlaya

Jan 30, 2008, 11:13 AM

elppa

Jan 30, 2008, 11:13 AM

10.5.2 must be coming soon now surely?

We've been hearing about it for quite some time.

Lyle

Jan 30, 2008, 11:13 AM

A redesign please ;)I don't really want a redesign, or not much of one. I've been tempted to just go ahead and buy one of the refurbished MacBook Pros, but I want to wait a little bit longer and see if there's anything really must-have about the new models.

northwest

Jan 30, 2008, 11:15 AM

A redesign please ;)

first post here, just joined, been waiting for updates of mbp as well - as a near computer tech illiterate 2 questions - first is there any reason why, if there is a redesign, it would come rather now with the pennryn or later with the montevina chip update?

Also could anyone comment on how significant a change it would be with the montevina chip platform - and thus to wait for that if it is just a matter of a couple of month - ?

anybody care to comment?

djellison

Jan 30, 2008, 11:17 AM

I resent the implication that my waiting for a new MBP is being conducting in any way that might be inferred as patiently. ;)

jb510

Jan 30, 2008, 11:21 AM

Sooner would be nice and all and I really hate to burst the all the optimistic bubbles... However, it seems highly unlikely to me that a MBP will come in February. The March 17th rumors still sound the most credible, as well as being a reasonable time line relative to the MBA announcement at MW. Assuming this rumor (MacBook4,1) is true. It's still entirely conceivable that someone at internally at apple has one and Apple will still hold it at least until March to get volume up and avoid cannibalizing MBA hype not to mention MBA sales.

Marion

Jan 30, 2008, 11:21 AM

Cloudane

Jan 30, 2008, 11:22 AM

Seems plausible enough given that it's practically the same way we found out about the Macbook Air. They're long overdue, too. New keyboard time at last :)

kkat69

Jan 30, 2008, 11:24 AM

Wow I'm impressed. As of this post no negatives? Surely there's someone out there who just has to be the fly in the ointment.

Or they aren't awake yet?

drhkocher

Jan 30, 2008, 11:24 AM

I don't think it will be Feb. 5.

Why?
1) To close to MBA in stores.
2) This is "Super Tuesday" with many elections. I don't think they will introduce a new product when people and the media concentrate on the election outcome.

Sorry. However, I still hope it will be sooner rather than later. I already ordered my new MBP 17" but told my dealer to wait until the new machines are available...

Hartmut

propropro

Jan 30, 2008, 11:25 AM

first post here, just joined, been waiting for updates of mbp as well - as a near computer tech illiterate 2 questions - first is there any reason why, if there is a redesign, it would come rather now with the pennryn or later with the montevina chip update?

Also could anyone comment on how significant a change it would be with the montevina chip platform - and thus to wait for that if it is just a matter of a couple of month - ?

anybody care to comment?

I think the redesign is more problable with the release of Montevina by summer because it implies a new motherboard (logic board as Apple likes to name it) )design. On the other hand, the new penryn processors work with the current motherboard without much modification. Having to redesign the motherboard maybe it's a better time for a case redesign than any other.

I will leave the second question for someone with more info about Montevina ;)

paul.b.davis

Jan 30, 2008, 11:26 AM

first post here, just joined, been waiting for updates of mbp as well - as a near computer tech illiterate 2 questions - first is there any reason why, if there is a redesign, it would come rather now with the pennryn or later with the montevina chip update?

Also could anyone comment on how significant a change it would be with the montevina chip platform - and thus to wait for that if it is just a matter of a couple of month - ?

anybody care to comment?If you always keep waiting for the next update, you will never get one

and I for one would not like a redesign, I think the way the MBP is now (which is basically the way the PowerBooks were) is the best laptop design I have ever seen. All I really care about is the keyboard remaining the same though

bmorris

Jan 30, 2008, 11:26 AM

well this does give that extra boost of patience to wait just a tad bit longer.

thank god i got myself a little old hp to learn ubuntu on.
something to distract me from going out and just getting a macbook pro.

jameskohn

Jan 30, 2008, 11:28 AM

You're killing me.

Wallace86

Jan 30, 2008, 11:30 AM

u all r blowing smoke up each others assses

SwiftLives

Jan 30, 2008, 11:31 AM

Based on the rumors, a redesign doesn't look likely.

Expect speed bumps and a multi-touch trackpad (more like the MacBook Air's than the 'two-finger' scrolling on current MBPs). Maybe some resolution increases, too.

And since this won't be a major technological advance, and most of the election coverage will happen later in the evening, I can very easily see them announced via press release on the morning of Super Tuesday.

Clive At Five

Jan 30, 2008, 11:32 AM

Is there a MacMini4,1 in there too? ;)

-Clive

joefinan

Jan 30, 2008, 11:33 AM

u all r blowing smoke up each others assses

And that means?

Virgil-TB2

Jan 30, 2008, 11:38 AM

reassuring indeed.

why couldn't that identifier have said "MacBookPro4,1(coming feb5)"??Does MacRumors have an opinion on whether the new MacBook Pros will pick up some of the features of the Air?

I have heard some rumblings to that effect, but if this is true, it would imply a bigger announcement at some upcoming show or event wouldn't it? Instead of just a quick revision announced on the Apple store site.

Anyone know when the next opportunity for an Apple presentation with a media presence is?

Wow I'm impressed. As of this post no negatives? Surely there's someone out there who just has to be the fly in the ointment.

Or they aren't awake yet?I've been here over a year now and I still have never "voted" on a thread to my knowledge.

I have never been quite sure what the point of it is and suspect that a lot of the negative votes are the result of people who are equally confused, just clicking around at random. :)

InLikeALion

Jan 30, 2008, 11:43 AM

Does MacRumors have an opinion on whether the new MacBook Pros will pick up some of the features of the Air?

I have heard some rumblings to that effect, but if this is true, it would imply a bigger announcement at some upcoming show or event wouldn't it? Instead of just a quick revision announced on the Apple store site.

Anyone know when the next opportunity for an Apple presentation with a media presence is?

I don't think it would require a big announcement - in fact i think it would be bad to have one. Basically, these new possible features have already been show-cased on the MBA. It would be bad to get the press together to show them tech that has already been presented.

ruckus

Jan 30, 2008, 11:49 AM

A redesign please ;)

I have mixed feelings about a redesign. In the one hand, new designs would be exciting. On the other hand, the current design is quite nice. Maybe they will move everything to a bigger version of the macbook air case? Who knows...

IEatApples

Jan 30, 2008, 11:49 AM

I resent the implication that my waiting for a new MBP is being conducting in any way that might be inferred as patiently. ;):D Me too! :D

EagerDragon

Jan 30, 2008, 11:53 AM

Love it, now lets see if we can get some real specs on these babies. Some pictures would be nice also, but specs would be great.

No black keyboard on alum MacBook Pro please, I don't like the look of the black keyboard onn the MacBook Air no mater how great. It just makes it look less pro in my mind.

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 11:54 AM

It's still entirely conceivable that someone at internally at apple has one and Apple will still hold it at least until March to get volume up and avoid cannibalizing MBA hype not to mention MBA sales.

IMO there is not much logic in this assumption, not even if repeated 100+ times on this or other sites.
The choice will normaly be made starting from the MB. If you need more power (speed, graphic...), you will go for the MBP. You will not choose an MBA then, as those have less power than an ordinary MB.
Or you don't truly need the power of an MB but weight and size is important, then you will decide in favour of MBA.
Maybe a few people will choose between MBA and MBP on a emotional basis, but most of us will probably think twice before spending so much money ;) .

greenmeanie

Jan 30, 2008, 11:55 AM

If he is smart he would do it soon before everyone blows their income tax refund LOL..
But if it was coming soon I think someone would of leaked some pictures by now.

G.I. Joe

Jan 30, 2008, 11:55 AM

Just another teaser to make my blood pressure rise! :o

northwest

Jan 30, 2008, 11:56 AM

I think the redesign is more problable with the release of Montevina by summer because it implies a new motherboard (logic board as Apple likes to name it) )design. On the other hand, the new penryn processors work with the current motherboard without much modification. Having to redesign the motherboard maybe it's a better time for a case redesign than any other.

I will leave the second question for someone with more info about Montevina ;)

thanks, i am getting my first mbp- switching over from ibookG4, there is no hurry, twice i've bought camera/and computer with significant changes following almost immediately after, and so now with all the signs saying 'slow down' there really is no point in not being patient ....

johnnyjibbs

Jan 30, 2008, 11:58 AM

Not to put a dampener on things, but there's no chance that this identifier is simply the MacBook Air is there? I remember that the PowerBook 12" had an iBook identifer, NOT a PowerBook identifer, so it is possible that, internally at least, the MBA is identified as a MBP.

Still, I'm waiting on new MBPs and this is just making me get more impatient so I hope I am wrong! :p:eek:

samh004

Jan 30, 2008, 11:59 AM

I'm looking at it like this, I've waited this long what is few more weeks or months. I would think however that it would be more like weeks. I just think they don't want it to complete with the new MacBookAir....

Completely different product focused on a completely different group of people. The MBA isn't even "Pro", by any standard.

A redesign please ;)

first post here, just joined, is there any reason why, if there is a redesign, it would come rather now with the pennryn or later with the montevina chip update?

Unfortunately I think a re-design, if one comes at all, will come with Montevina, and not Penryn, but one could hope.

This is "Super Tuesday" with many elections. I don't think they will introduce a new product when people and the media concentrate on the election outcome.

Good point, Apple does like media coverage, and they wouldn't get it with a whole load of other things going on at the same time.

I thought there was a Penryn shortage anyway, so they'll probably wait till that clears up. Gives time for a little more refining too.

and I for one would not like a redesign, I think the way the MBP is now (which is basically the way the PowerBooks were) is the best laptop design I have ever seen. All I really care about is the keyboard remaining the same though

You mean you like how they get worse reception through wifi than the MB's because of the aluminium shell, or the fact that they dent really easily, and then Apple wont repair something (not related to the ding) till you buy a new case ?

What about the fact that the design hasn't changed for ages, it's old, it's well out of fashion.

I used to think the "Pro" keyboards were the best too, but with everything else moving over to a uniformed MB-style keyboard; and the MBA getting backlighting in it's MB-style keyboard, I can't see why they wouldn't incorporate this in their "Pro" offering sooner rather than later.

In all honestly, when Apple redesigns the MBP I think they'll make a right mess of it. Shaving off further mm's for an even thinner laptop, that is more a statement of who you are than a professional laptop built for high performance.

We'll see, time will tell.

so it is possible that, internally at least, the MBA is identified as a MBP.

Nope, I recall a thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=413381) (and news story (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/13/introducing-the-macbook-air/)) pre-MWSF about the MBA identifier being found on an Adium log or some such.

sterlingindigo

Jan 30, 2008, 12:00 PM

IMO there is not much logic in this assumption, not even if repeated 100+ times on this or other sites.
The choice will normaly be made starting from the MB. If you need more power (speed, graphic...), you will go for the MBP. You will not choose an MBA then, as those have less power than an ordinary MB.
Or you don't truly need the power of an MB but weight and size is important, then you will decide in favour of MBA.
Maybe a few people will choose between MBA and MBP on a emotional basis, but most of us will probably think twice before spending so much money ;) .

Do you see the fabled sub 12" ultraportable notebook ever materializing, especially since MBA was introduced (sacrifice screen/keyboard)?

iAthena

Jan 30, 2008, 12:01 PM

I'd sure like to see the new Intel processors in the MBP soon.

kkat69

Jan 30, 2008, 12:05 PM

I've been here over a year now and I still have never "voted" on a thread to my knowledge.

I have never been quite sure what the point of it is and suspect that a lot of the negative votes are the result of people who are equally confused, just clicking around at random. :)

I don't really understand it either. Even good news always ends up with what appears more negative than positive. It's almost like "God is actually visiting us in human form this week and granting everyone 3 wishes" and there's like 20 positives and 100 negatives because some people feel "only 3?"

stevenfarrisohi

Jan 30, 2008, 12:05 PM

Macula

Jan 30, 2008, 12:08 PM

Amateur prediction:

10.5.2 Friday (2/1)
New MacBook Pros Tuesday (2/5)

This is just based on the rumor frequency over the past few weeks.

I agree.

madmax_2069

Jan 30, 2008, 12:09 PM

u all r blowing smoke up each others assses
And that means?

Definition (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blowing+smoke+up+my+ass)

digitalbiker

Jan 30, 2008, 12:11 PM

If MBPs are updated in February then it creates more of a buying decision dilemma.

On the one hand a penryn laptop with new keyboard and touch pad would be nice but..

February is too early for the montevina chipset. Faster bus, more power efficiency, support for newer tech, better choice of mobile GPU's all too early to make it into a February MBP.

So when May - June rolls around it is possible that there will be a complete redesign of the MBP. Possibly lighter, smaller, new case design, easier access to batteries, memory, & HDD.

It would really suck to purchase the February MBP only to have a completely new model released in May.

Dr.SteveBrule

Jan 30, 2008, 12:12 PM

Can someone explain what the advantages of "montevina" over "santa rosa refresh" are? I am waiting to buy the refresh, but I don't clearly understand what we are waiting on with montevina. If it is only a matter of months then will it be worth it? I am going to use my MBP to do audio recording and some video editing.

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 12:14 PM

Do you see the fabled sub 12" ultraportable notebook ever materializing, especially since MBA was introduced (sacrifice screen/keyboard)?

'ever' is a very special time frame. I could say 'yes', as nobody will ever be able to prove that I was wrong :cool:

Honestly I don't know but I don't expect it in a short period of time, as can't see any sense in offering a 12" and a 13" UP. Maybe 10" or 11" ???

sterlingindigo

Jan 30, 2008, 12:15 PM

Definition (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blowing+smoke+up+my+ass)

LOL! elementary mortuary science, or macabre humor?

OS X Dude

Jan 30, 2008, 12:18 PM

Seeing as this multi-touch lark is software based, why not release it for ALL Apple laptops in 10.5.2???

aprilfools

Jan 30, 2008, 12:20 PM

I am new on here and a little confused. I am ready to switch from a PC to a MBP. I have been told to wait for there is a new MBP to be released. As I read through the threads there does not appear to be substantial evidence of such an upgrade? Where is this information coming from? Are their Apple employee's that have suggested such a change...I am confused...

If you need it than buy it now. Don't take into account anything you read here. Everyone thinks they are Nostradamus. Buy it now. You coming from the PC world, anything you buy mac, is already a huge improvement over what you are used too.

madmax_2069

Jan 30, 2008, 12:22 PM

LOL! elementary mortuary science, or macabre humor?

i meant it to be funny

NYCMacFan

Jan 30, 2008, 12:22 PM

EagerDragon

Jan 30, 2008, 12:22 PM

I'm wondering if the release of the MBP is so near and if so, why we are not hearing more about it (leaks) ? Is it because it will be only a minor revision with no visual upgrade ? If I remember, some folks had seen a strange laptop on the campus before the official release of the MBA. But I didn't hear anything similar for the new MBP. And don't get me wrong, I want the new one right now, I'm waiting since September to get my first ever Mac...

It maybe possible that there are several running around in Campus but they may look similar enough that it would not be detected by a casual viewer that it is a new machine.

I would like to see some serious differences between MacBook and MacBookPro, the price difference is quite significant between them, so it would be nice if the two would be different enough to make it worth it for most users to consider the more expensive PRO. Today they are not that different in power and features, as a mater of fact the pro still does not have the magnetic latch.

Does anyone knows if there is such thing as MacBookPro3,1, MacBookPro3,2, MacBookPro3,3????

If so what is the meaning of the second number?

Just a guess on my part, but it maybe logical that if the first number changes it may mean significant set of changes, not just a new cpu with fater memory and bus.

I like the current model, and adding multitouch would be great even if most apps can not yet use the feature. Multitouch, magnetic latch, higher res LED screen and the new CPU(s) with the faster mem and bus would be great. 4 cores would be a real game changer, however I don't expect that for a very long time, but would be real nice in a PRO machine.

jameskohn

Jan 30, 2008, 12:23 PM

'ever' is a very special time frame. I could say 'yes', as nobody will ever be able to prove that I was wrong :cool:

Honestly I don't know but I don't expect it in a short period of time, as can't see any sense in offering a 12" and a 13" UP. Maybe 10" or 11" ???

13" MBP would be perfect for so many of us looking to replace 12" PowerBooks: it can be smaller/lighter than the 15" MBP, similar form factor to current 13" MacBook, but max'd out feature set.

It really is a shame about the plastic MacBook enclosures, because it is such a good machine and just the perfect form factor. I just can't get past the plastic. My own issue, I know.

bruk201ib

Jan 30, 2008, 12:24 PM

Super Tuesday = Super MBP :D

NYCMacFan

Jan 30, 2008, 12:25 PM

'ever' is a very special time frame. I could say 'yes', as nobody will ever be able to prove that I was wrong :cool:

Honestly I don't know but I don't expect it in a short period of time, as can't see any sense in offering a 12" and a 13" UP. Maybe 10" or 11" ???

Would be nice, but Apple is usually not that keen to support too many different model lines. MB, MBA and MBP (2 sizes) keeps them busy. Also, many parts would be different, custom for this and so it add to the cost and along with R&D, cuts into margins.

achtung!

Jan 30, 2008, 12:26 PM

Posted by samh004: What about the fact that the design hasn't changed for ages, it's old, it's well out of fashion.

what do you mean out of fashion? do you think apple "design" or whatever "design" is driven by fashion? :eek:

akadmon

Jan 30, 2008, 12:26 PM

It would really suck to purchase the February MBP only to have a completely new model released in May.

Is June OK for you? How about July? I'll call Steve and tell him to delay Montevina just for you.

Come to think of it, I don't even need to call him :rolleyes:

sterlingindigo

Jan 30, 2008, 12:27 PM

Orng

Jan 30, 2008, 12:35 PM

u all r blowing smoke up each others asssesAnd that means?

One thing that helps me live a stress free life is to avoid having online discussions/disagreements with people who can't be bothered to type out a three letter word.

Another thing that would help me live a stress free life is if everybody else did the same! :)

It's as if they're holding up a big sign that says, they don't have enough respect for you to type "you." I'll never understand why anyone engages these people.

EagerDragon

Jan 30, 2008, 12:38 PM

A little off topic,

But I have yet to hear any rumors of a new Apple AD for superbowl.

We normally get a rumor or two about that close to SuperBowl.

Unspeaked

Jan 30, 2008, 12:43 PM

The 12" MacBook Pro is slowly becoming the PowerBook G5, which is both sad and annoying.

tgildred

Jan 30, 2008, 12:50 PM

Whoa67

Jan 30, 2008, 12:50 PM

I really would like to see a Pro with a smaller footprint than 15". Please let there be a 10-12" model. :apple:

SirOmega

Jan 30, 2008, 12:51 PM

I really dont see the redesign coming this time. This is due to that the Penryn SFF packaging (like is used in the MBAir) isn't due until H2 08. And while I wouldn't expect a smaller MBP, it could be marginally thinner and lighter than previous iterations.

Yaboze

Jan 30, 2008, 12:51 PM

I didn't read every post but I expect the new MBP's to have a black, MBA type keyboard, MultiTouch, Penryn CPU's and possibly a slight bump in the GPU with a 8700M or whatever the current 'lower end 8 series' Nvidia mobile solution is.

A total redesign would take some of the MBA's thunder next week, so my guess just these small changes, somewhat silently to arrive after 10.15.2.

Just a newb guess. :cool:

nickbates

Jan 30, 2008, 12:52 PM

A little off topic,

But I have yet to hear any rumors of a new Apple AD for superbowl.

We normally get a rumor or two about that close to SuperBowl.

Actually there was a rumor on CNN a couple of weeks ago that Apple will be showing an ad during SuperBowl announcing the Beatles library on iTunes finally.

tgildred

Jan 30, 2008, 12:54 PM

Actually there was a rumor on CNN a couple of weeks ago that Apple will be showing an ad during SuperBowl announcing the Beatles library on iTunes finally.

Sounds like a recycled rumor from last year.

arn

Jan 30, 2008, 12:58 PM

Further evidence...

I received confirmation that the Battery log information came from an Apple IP address. So, it seem legit.

arn

nickbates

Jan 30, 2008, 12:58 PM

dksp

Jan 30, 2008, 12:59 PM

A guy from Ingram told me they'll receive new Apple products on the 12th. Sounds credible to me. MacBook Air starts shipping, people will receive them soon. That leaves one week to unbox them, and being reviewed by the press. And then it's time for some fresh Apple news

Appler

Jan 30, 2008, 01:00 PM

If you always keep waiting for the next update, you will never get one

and I for one would not like a redesign, I think the way the MBP is now (which is basically the way the PowerBooks were) is the best laptop design I have ever seen. All I really care about is the keyboard remaining the same though

Couldnt have said it better. I dont see myself changing my MBP if the keyboard changes. I simply love it. Wrote my entire masters thesis on it. I hate the MB keyboards, could never get used to them, prefer no spaces between keys. I have been waiting for a "worthwhile" update for a while, i have the first ever macbook pro, so ive had it for 2 years minus a few months. So i wouldnt want but generally welcome a redesign, just leave the freakin keyboard alone lol.

r00

Jan 30, 2008, 01:00 PM

Further evidence...

I received confirmation that the Battery log information came from an Apple IP address. So, it seem legit.

arn

Thank god.

And to think I almost bought a Penryn Thinkpad last night... I can hold out just a bit longer.

soldmachine

Jan 30, 2008, 01:05 PM

Crike .40

Jan 30, 2008, 01:05 PM

The 12" MacBook Pro is slowly becoming the PowerBook G5, which is both sad and annoying.

except that a G5 was Never (well not likely anytime soon) going to fit into a laptop - it wasn't designed for it.

The 12" PowerBook was a decent seller for apple with a large user base who is begging/hoping/pleading for a replacement.

Most of us can agree that the MBA is not a replacement and the lack of dedicated gfx/bigger footprint are the same reasons a 12" iBook was passed over for a 12" PowerBook by so many users....myself included.

Now, I realize that going from a 12" PB to a 13" MB would be an upgrade in "all ways" even the new integrated gfx score higher than the old 5200 go.

BUT, I waited a long time to get my 12", it runs great, and I will keep it until either a "true-replacement" appears or until it dies at which point I will probably switch to a 15" even though I won't be happy about it.

Eidorian

Jan 30, 2008, 01:07 PM

Further evidence...

I received confirmation that the Battery log information came from an Apple IP address. So, it seem legit.

arnThanks for the update arn. I'm a little surprised that someone at Apple would install software on unreleased hardware that reports back to a mothership outside of Apple.

SheriffParker

Jan 30, 2008, 01:10 PM

I really would like to see a Pro with a smaller footprint than 15". Please let there be a 10-12" model. :apple:

lol

andrewdale

Jan 30, 2008, 01:12 PM

I really would like to see a Pro with a smaller footprint than 15". Please let there be a 10-12" model. :apple:

I don't really see how they could release such a Pro model that would actually undercut the MBA.

The whole premise behind the MBA is its portability. If they release a computer that's 10%-20% smaller than it, what good would that do for the MBA sales?

I don't think anything will fall below the 13.3" mark other than (possibly) the MBA.

Orng

Jan 30, 2008, 01:12 PM

The 12" MacBook Pro is slowly becoming the PowerBook G5, which is both sad and annoying.

The difference being that the Powerbook G5 had some actual technical hurdles working against it.

I believe he needed to remove some letters from the beginning of the sentence in order to add an extra letter to "assses."

Ha ha ha!
And I thought he was just doing his Cobra Commander imitation.

joefinan

Jan 30, 2008, 01:13 PM

My money's on the new MBP being announced along with 10.5.2 and the new Apple TV update - next week?

Koolio27

Jan 30, 2008, 01:16 PM

Thanks for the update arn. I'm a little surprised that someone at Apple would install software on unreleased hardware that reports back to a mothership outside of Apple.

Let's hope they keep doing that in all future Macs! ;)

ntrigue

Jan 30, 2008, 01:18 PM

Eidorian

Jan 30, 2008, 01:19 PM

Let's hope they keep doing that in all future Macs! ;)The majority of the time we're digging through kernel extensions and model numbers in the latest Apple updates.

Can anyone find MacBookPro4,1 in the 10.5.2 seeds?

Tosser

Jan 30, 2008, 01:21 PM

We're overlooking a pleasant tidbit here.

You can see that MacBookPro4,1 has a design capacity of 6300mAh while the current MacBookPro3,1 has a design capacity of 5600mAh. Never having been pleased by my MBPro's battery this is a plus for me!

The reason for something like that could also be it was a power hog, thus yelding no more real-time use than your 5,6Ah ……

Unspeaked

Jan 30, 2008, 01:23 PM

except that a G5 was Never (well not likely anytime soon) going to fit into a laptop - it wasn't designed for it.

The difference being that the Powerbook G5 had some actual technical hurdles working against it.

I realize the PowerBook G5 was an impossibility and am not implying that the 12" MacBook Pro would be nearly as difficult to produce.

What I'm saying is, even with the technical viability and the die-hard fans clamoring for such a product, Apple has failed to offer a desktop-replacement level machine in this form factor for almost two years.

That's why I called it sad and annoying...

propropro

Jan 30, 2008, 01:28 PM

The reason for something like that could also be it was a power hog, thus yelding no more real-time use than your 5,6Ah ……

doesn't the MacBook Pro 17" have a higher capacity battery than the 15" model? Maybe it's just that...:confused:

tgildred

Jan 30, 2008, 01:29 PM

Maybe, but I saw them announce it on CNN during CES week.

Sorry, not recycled by you, but by CNN. I just tend to think of most television media as being a bit lazy in their reporting. But you never know... could happen.

scrambledwonder

Jan 30, 2008, 01:30 PM

I don't really want a redesign, or not much of one. I've been tempted to just go ahead and buy one of the refurbished MacBook Pros, but I want to wait a little bit longer and see if there's anything really must-have about the new models.

Yeah, wait until the new ones come out, then then if you're okay with the current version, you can get one for the price of a refurbished machine.

tgildred

Jan 30, 2008, 01:31 PM

The difference being that the Powerbook G5 had some actual technical hurdles working against it.

Ha ha ha!
And I thought he was just doing his Cobra Commander imitation.

Ssssilence, you foolss!

amjustice

Jan 30, 2008, 01:36 PM

I think that the mbp updates will come out when apple releases the dev kits for the iPhone. They'll probably have some kind of event in "late" February (basically the last business day of February) I hope we get updates soon but I don't see them coming till after that so the MB Air has its time to shine

......patiently waiting

As much as I would like them to release the new MBP's next week I think they will come as a one more thing on a press conference for the iPhone SDK in mid-late Feb.

I just keep telling myself, good things are worth waiting for!

snej

Jan 30, 2008, 01:36 PM

You can see that MacBookPro4,1 has a design capacity of 6300mAh while the current MacBookPro3,1 has a design capacity of 5600mAh. Never having been pleased by my MBPro's battery this is a plus for me!

The current 15" and the 17" Macbook Pro have different battery capacities but share the internal MacBookPro3,1 name.

eisa01

Jan 30, 2008, 01:37 PM

matznentosh

Jan 30, 2008, 01:42 PM

We're overlooking a pleasant tidbit here.

You can see that MacBookPro4,1 has a design capacity of 6300mAh while the current MacBookPro3,1 has a design capacity of 5600mAh. Never having been pleased by my MBPro's battery this is a plus for me!

I would say this is a legitimate leak where Apple would have spent far too much time trying to cover it up. This likely puts us within the month of February.

Ah, maybe that fits with my fantasy of the next MacBook Pro. I know no one will agree with me, but believe it or not I want a MacBook Pro 15 inch WITHOUT an optical drive. I want a bigger battery instead. Remember the old Pismo Powerbooks that you could remove the floppy drive and put in a second battery, or a hard drive or whatever). I hardly use the optical drive but I want longer battery life.

Maybe they could sell it with the external dvd drive included in the box.

Oh, saw the post that 15 and 17 inch MacBook Pros use the same numbering scheme, so maybe it's a new 17 inch model that was detected. Too bad. I'd still like a bigger battery without increasing size or weight (i.e., exchanged for the optical drive).

Stella

Jan 30, 2008, 01:46 PM

The world consists more than just the u.s ( look on a map on the world ).

To hold up a world wide release of a product due to one country's election process is very very lame.

I don't think it will be Feb. 5.

Why?

2) This is "Super Tuesday" with many elections. I don't think they will introduce a new product when people and the media concentrate on the election outcome.

Hartmut

quinney

Jan 30, 2008, 01:54 PM

I don't think it will be Feb. 5.

2) This is "Super Tuesday" with many elections. I don't think they will introduce a new product when people and the media concentrate on the election outcome.

Hartmut

On the other hand, many companies allow their employees to take
time off work to vote, and for the true Apple addict, this would allow
them to visit the Apple store on the first day of availability.

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 01:55 PM

:)

I'm EAGERLY awaiting Super Tuesday. no bullsh[i]t

I'm from Austria. (not Australia)

I wouldn't mind two big events in one day, though. :D

byebye
love
michael

emotion

Jan 30, 2008, 01:55 PM

I was hoping for the redesign to be Montevina based as potentially we could then have a thinner and/or cooler design.

Fumes

Jan 30, 2008, 01:56 PM

All I have to say:

PowerBook G4 550 Mhz - no combo drive 20gb HD.

I can wait:)

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 01:57 PM

On the other hand, many companies allow their employees to take
time off work to vote, and for the true Apple addict, this would allow
them to visit the Apple store on the first day of availability.

HILARIOUS, all the mac-geeks strolling around town, "going" to the vote.

:apple:

ydb1914

Jan 30, 2008, 01:58 PM

writeous

Jan 30, 2008, 02:00 PM

This thread is kind of pointless. Wasn't it obvious that the MBP's would be updated.

nep61

Jan 30, 2008, 02:01 PM

One thing that helps me live a stress free life is to avoid having online discussions/disagreements with people who can't be bothered to type out a three letter word.

Another thing that would help me live a stress free life is if everybody else did the same! :)

It's as if they're holding up a big sign that says, they don't have enough respect for you to type "you." I'll never understand why anyone engages these people.

TOTALLY OFF topic, I know ..... I couldn't agree with you more. The 'text message shortcuts' that have made there way into every aspect of our lives are just an excuse for people who are too lazy to type out an entire word, or too lazy to learn how to spell it.

The other thing that sucks... is when you see written text... and there is no capitalization or punctuation of any kind..... damn, that's annoying...

Back on SUBJECT.... i cant wait 4 rev. of the MBP line its been 2 long and i need a new 1 bad:)

coachingguy

Jan 30, 2008, 02:02 PM

Does anyone know anything about implementing a bluray burner or even a bluray player in the new MBP?
But actually I can't quite believe that this will happen because they haven't put a bluray drive in the new Mac Pro, so I don't think they will put it in the MBPs.

Does anyone have more info about bluray?

I'd be surprised if Apple but Bluray in their computers any time soon. If SJ had his way, he'd have us all download our video/music content from iTunes. So while Apple is on the BluRay board (or whatever), at most it'll be a BTO, but I don't expect to see it anytime soon, especially not in their laptops.

Coachingguy

drhkocher

Jan 30, 2008, 02:04 PM

The world consists more than just the u.s ( look on a map on the world ).

To hold up a world wide release of a product due to one country's election process is very very lame.

Actually, I know: I'm from Germany. However, for Apple, the US is still the largest and most important market.

But I could live with Apple proving me wrong on this one ;)

Stella

Jan 30, 2008, 02:05 PM

I know the difference between Austria and Australia:-)

I'm hoping Apple release MBPro ASAP, getting impatient - all this waiting around.

:)

I'm EAGERLY awaiting Super Tuesday. no bullsh[i]t

I'm from Austria. (not Australia)

I wouldn't mind two big events in one day, though. :D

byebye
love
michael

tgildred

Jan 30, 2008, 02:06 PM

The world consists more than just the u.s ( look on a map on the world ).

To hold up a world wide release of a product due to one country's election process is very very lame.

Haha, yes, but Apple HQ is located in Cupertino, CA. Look on the map of the world--it's on the left side of the North American continent. I don't think it's lame at all to delay a product announcement to avoid an event within a country representing a major slice of the market. Particularly when the company releasing the product is based in that country.

Having said that, if there were to be a product release next Tuesday, I'm not sure its an event that would necessarily delay the release.

Sannekita

Jan 30, 2008, 02:06 PM

This gets me really excited!! Please God, let this rumor be true!
Ofcourse it's likely the MBP get's updated, but the more rumors, the closer it's coming.
I really don't think they could release it without an optical drive (like a member a couple of posts earlier mentioned)! Pro users need to burn CD's and DVD to hand in products...

pondie84

Jan 30, 2008, 02:12 PM

I wonder how long after they release the new MBPs people will be demanding the next one.

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 02:13 PM

This thread is kind of pointless. Wasn't it obvious that the MBP's would be updated.

Ohhhh :o come ON!

you're taking all the fun out of this!

Quillz

Jan 30, 2008, 02:13 PM

I don't think the MacBook Pro needs a complete redesign, but I do think it should use the new keyboard that's on the MacBook & MacBook Air. The Air proved that you can make the newer keyboards backlit.

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 02:22 PM

I wonder how long after they release the new MBPs people will be demanding the next one.

they are already demanding the next next one > Montevina

cibby

Jan 30, 2008, 02:23 PM

I'm not a chip expert or anything, but thought I'd respond to some folks' posts who like me are wondering about the differences between Penryn and Montevino. From what I found online, it looks like Montevino has a faster front side bus, is much more power efficient, allows for a ~40% smaller logic board, and has built in support for WiMax and Blu-Ray, HD-DVD. Not knowing much about chips, I don't know if not having the last 2 would preclude (or make it less likely) Apple from including support with the Penryn update.

I for one am hoping we get a case redesign with the next update, mainly because I know I'll have it for a long time and want to minimize laptop envy. Unfortunately given the considerable changes and size reduction for Montevino, it doesn't seem likely we'll see any meaningful body changes until the summer. Personally I think there is a better chance we see the MB upgraded to aluminum cases before that. Of course the ultimate irony will be that the case update probably means a keyboard change, which will really bum me out. So maybe I just rationalized my purchase of a Penryn MBR!

ydb1914

Jan 30, 2008, 02:25 PM

Ohhhh :o come ON!

you're taking all the fun out of this!

i agree...i'm spending my time reading ALL the posts while waiting for the release of the new MBP..& i'm having fun, lots & lots of fun...thanks to ya'll :)

thejadedmonkey

Jan 30, 2008, 02:25 PM

This thread is kind of pointless. Wasn't it obvious that the MBP's would be updated.

Not at all. Apple has been known to simply cut off their best selling model of a product line before, so this is simply a confirmation that Apple isn't going to drop the Macbook Pro from their laptop lineup and replace it with a Macbook Super Pro :rolleyes:

Yes, this thread is very pointless. Who cares if we know a new model's coming out? I could have told you the day I bought my MBP that a new model would come out after it.

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 02:28 PM

> As for Monetvina

They'll definetely wait 7-8 more months after this update. They won't release anything new in summer, only in late 2008 - and that's 9 months, the time a baby takes.

MBX

Jan 30, 2008, 02:33 PM

i just hope it doesn't have a thick case border around the screen like the macbook air. hopefully less thick than current mbp versions.

Pokoo

Jan 30, 2008, 02:37 PM

I just hope they will put a killer graphics card in, something like 8800 GTS. Also there are new ATi graphics cards around this time, so let's hope the best.

Do you think Apple would even release the updated MBP before the next Tuesday? I can't wait anymore... :)

happydude

Jan 30, 2008, 02:37 PM

Amateur prediction:

10.5.2 Friday (2/1)
New MacBook Pros Tuesday (2/5)

This is just based on the rumor frequency over the past few weeks.

i kinda don't think it'll happen on tuesday just because that is super tuesday and apple would rather have the press focus on them for a little bit. my guess is they will be announced alongside 10.5.2 on friday, but will announce they won't ship until sometime in the near future.

G.I. Joe

Jan 30, 2008, 02:38 PM

Thanks for the update arn. I'm a little surprised that someone at Apple would install software on unreleased hardware that reports back to a mothership outside of Apple.

Didn't something similar happen with the MBA? I think it was an Adium log.

http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/13/introducing-the-macbook-air/

EagerDragon

Jan 30, 2008, 02:48 PM

All I have to say:

PowerBook G4 550 Mhz - no combo drive 20gb HD.

I can wait:)

Seems you been saving to buy the entire Apple store then.

happydude

Jan 30, 2008, 02:50 PM

The world consists more than just the u.s ( look on a map on the world ).

To hold up a world wide release of a product due to one country's election process is very very lame.

yah, well, look how much love apple has shown canada lately . . . well, ever. but since apple is a u.s. company, in a u.s. market relying most heavily on u.s. media - a media that will be consumed wholly with super tuesday, if apple wants press surrounding this release, they won't do it tuesday. rest of the world be damned. however, it could be a "quiet release" without any fanfare and they'll just throw that out there, saving future media events for iphone SDK. my bet is still not tuesday though.

oh, and california is one of the super tuesday states. with edwards out the state is a toss up between hillary and obama, so no way any cameras will be pointed toward 1 infinite loop that day.

TheRuggedLion

Jan 30, 2008, 02:54 PM

I too think the current MBP design is absolutely stunning and in my eyes perfect. I pray they don't use the MBA black keyboard on the new model MBP :(

bastiaan1321

Jan 30, 2008, 02:58 PM

The Dutch Apple Shop online changed the 17" model from 24h to 2 days. I'm desperatly waiting for the new MBP cuz my 12" ibook g4 died on me last week :( and i'm NOT buying until the update.. (just have to work on my pc until that time comes)

My apple reseller was also running out of stock last time i was there (monday)

c-ker

Jan 30, 2008, 03:01 PM

However, the fact that you are still waiting implies patience. The impatient ones now own Santa Rosa MBPs. :)

Orng

Jan 30, 2008, 03:08 PM

the state is a toss up between hillary and obama, so no way any cameras will be pointed toward 1 infinite loop that day.

You mean people in the US put the first ever candidate race between a woman and a black man before new gadgetry from Apple?

Honestly, I'll never understand you people (joking!)

Stridder44

Jan 30, 2008, 03:12 PM

YES!!!! 10.5.2 is said to be soon so MBP should be soon as well, yes?

God this is like a breath of fresh air. Here's to hoping this is a redesign.

Clive At Five

Jan 30, 2008, 03:14 PM

Most of us can agree that the MBA is not a replacement and the lack of dedicated gfx/bigger footprint are the same reasons a 12" iBook was passed over for a 12" PowerBook by so many users....myself included.

Now, I realize that going from a 12" PB to a 13" MB would be an upgrade in "all ways" even the new integrated gfx score higher than the old 5200 go.

BUT, I waited a long time to get my 12", it runs great, and I will keep it until either a "true-replacement" appears or until it dies at which point I will probably switch to a 15" even though I won't be happy about it.

This is the exact same logic I follow as to why I can't upgrade my iMac. I wanted a computer that was just a step below a PowerMac, and my G4 iMac did a good job of being that... Today's iMac, however, is multiple steps below a Mac Pro and there's no substitute. Apple doesn't make a computer that will fit my needs.

I think all the people here asking for a smaller footprint in a pro have a totally legitimate request, though, I seriously have my doubts about it happening now since the MBA. Apple has some serious difficulties listening to its customers... and is very stubborn, which doesn't help at all. Not even the iWorld is perfect, Steve.

-Clive

Spritey

Jan 30, 2008, 03:14 PM

i'm saying 3rd week of Feb. i thought i heard the 24th, but i can't remember.

I certainly wouldn't mind having a new MBP announced just in time for my birthday ;)

matznentosh

Jan 30, 2008, 03:18 PM

The Apple store is still showing MacBook Pros of all stripes available in 24 hours. Always in the past when new models were showing up the shipping date would start to slip. I don't think anything is coming out for a couple of weeks at least.

mellow2bits

Jan 30, 2008, 03:22 PM

TOTALLY OFF topic, I know ..... I couldn't agree with you more. The 'text message shortcuts' that have made there way into every aspect of our lives are just an excuse for people who are too lazy to type out an entire word, or too lazy to learn how to spell it.

(...)

ooohhwww... I just can not let this one pass!
Speaking of spelling: don't (do not) you mean 'their' in stead of 'there'?

OK (Okay) that was cheap. But it felt good, though ;)

Xanderapx

Jan 30, 2008, 03:32 PM

ooohhwww... i just can not let this one pass!
Speaking of spelling: don't (do not) you mean 'their' in stead of 'there'?

OK (Okay) that was cheap. But it felt good, though ;)

Noted! it is funny when you make the same mistake as the person you are criticizing...

Coming Back the The MBP. i have an imac (i know old) and i have been considering buying myself a new computer. obviously i wanted something portable and was going on the direction of MBP but now it is obvious that there will be an update soon enough.... what is the time frame "we" are giving this update to actually happen (knowing apple's timing and such)?

Should i wait til it is finally out or is it wise to buy now?

greenmeanie

Jan 30, 2008, 03:35 PM

Don't you see the post about whining for monteva LOL.

I wonder how long after they release the new MBPs people will be demanding the next one.

Brianstorm91

Jan 30, 2008, 03:35 PM

MacBook Pro news is seriously meagre in comparison to previous models, Apple must be getting tired of leaks :(

greenmeanie

Jan 30, 2008, 03:36 PM

How do you think they can run a 8800 in a tiny notebook like that?
Please explain.

I just hope they will put a killer graphics card in, something like 8800 GTS. Also there are new ATi graphics cards around this time, so let's hope the best.

Do you think Apple would even release the updated MBP before the next Tuesday? I can't wait anymore... :)

Stridder44

Jan 30, 2008, 03:38 PM

MacBook Pro news is seriously meagre in comparison to previous models, Apple must be getting tired of leaks :(

Well, its customers are getting tired of waiting.

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 03:39 PM

Actually, I know: I'm from Germany. However, for Apple, the US is still the largest and most important market.

But I could live with Apple proving me wrong on this one ;)

With the two first letters in your username it is quiet obvious where you come from :rolleyes:
Well, it could have been Austria also ;)

PhatBoyG

Jan 30, 2008, 03:42 PM

Well, its customers are getting tired of waiting.

Yeah, the tiring 8 months since the last MBP refresh is just insane. I mean, new CPU, new graphics card, new backlight -- that can't be counted as an update since it didn't change the iconic design of the MBP case.

MindBrain

Jan 30, 2008, 03:43 PM

Days since update: 239 (Avg = 186)

Duh, obviously they are going to be updating the MBPs soon. I mean, really.

Pokoo

Jan 30, 2008, 03:43 PM

How do you think they can run a 8800 in a tiny notebook like that?
Please explain.
Quite easily. It needs the same count of Watts like a 8700.

Edit: Just as the 8600 did fit, too. They always made the notebook thinner but with better graphics card. Why shouldn't they be able to implent an 8800, too :) Btw, I am talking about the 8800M GTS, not GTX

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 03:49 PM

Noted! it is funny when you make the same mistake as the person you are criticizing...

Coming Back the The MBP. i have an imac (i know old) and i have been considering buying myself a new computer. obviously i wanted something portable and was going on the direction of MBP but now it is obvious that there will be an update soon enough.... what is the time frame "we" are giving this update to actually happen (knowing apple's timing and such)?

Should i wait til it is finally out or is it wise to buy now?

Best advice: Look at the 'Buyer's Guide' on the top of this page.
Most entertaining (??) advice: Look at the different threads on this site :rolleyes:

joeliethegoalie

Jan 30, 2008, 03:51 PM

Redesign or no redesign, these new MBP's better be freakin' powerful.

All of us spending our days (and nights) on these boards, speculating and angst-ing over the what & when of the update will have a lot of work to catch up on once the new machines do actually ship. ;)

iBunny

Jan 30, 2008, 03:52 PM

The world consists more than just the u.s ( look on a map on the world ).

To hold up a world wide release of a product due to one country's election process is very very lame.

Lies. The US is the only country in the World.

Thats worth a damn anyway :D

RoDe

Jan 30, 2008, 03:54 PM

Man the suspense is killing. I really want a new MBP.

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 04:00 PM

Lies. The US is the only country in the World.

I might agree. But then I don't get the point of the joke I heard recently:
What are the three thinnest books (made of paper! not notebooks) in the world about?
Russian modesty, english cooking, U.S. history... ;)
What a luck nobody knows the country I'm coming from :o

Stella

Jan 30, 2008, 04:03 PM

Haha, yes, but Apple HQ is located in Cupertino, CA. Look on the map of the world--it's on the left side of the North American continent. I don't think it's lame at all to delay a product announcement to avoid an event within a country representing a major slice of the market. Particularly when the company releasing the product is based in that country.

Having said that, if there were to be a product release next Tuesday, I'm not sure its an event that would necessarily delay the release.

If Apple did the following, sales may not be as bad outside of the states:

- turned the 'u.s only' features in OSX into features that the rest of the world would find useful ( i.e., more localisation in its dictionary, thesaurus etc )
- more promotion
- better exchange rate pricing.
- quicker negotiations for tv / movies in iTunes
- iphone in more countries

Like it or not, Apple generally treat the rest of the world as second rate. Apple are losing a *lot* of potential sales.

Having said that, the forthcoming MacBook Pro machines will rock! ( Especially if they have multitouch).

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 04:08 PM

STELLA

REALLY off-topic

I gonna do an exam on Canadian Civilization tomorrow. ;)

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 04:10 PM

If Apple did the following, sales may not be as bad outside of the states:

- turned the 'u.s only' features in OSX into features that the rest of the world would find useful ( i.e., more localisation in its dictionary, thesaurus etc )
- more promotion
- better exchange rate pricing.
- quicker negotiations for tv / movies in iTunes
- iphone in more countries

Like it or not, Apple generally treat the rest of the world as second rate. Apple are losing a *lot* of potential sales.

Considering the higher prices (+ 15%) outside the U.S. I would not be surprised to learn that :apple: does 2/3 of their sales within the U.S. but 2/3 of the profit in the rest of the world :(

peterjeter26

Jan 30, 2008, 04:10 PM

totaly right but dont you think apple will need a little more time their hardware designers are doing a lot of stuff like the next iphone, macbook air apple tv and an update like the one expected will not meet up to our expectations or take a couple months to be ready

melchior

Jan 30, 2008, 04:11 PM

Uh, 8 months IS a long time between updates.

MR/Arn had suggested that the addition of a BTO hard drive upgrade could be perceived as an update and therefore, there is no need to update. If every other computer manufacturer updated their line every 8 months, the computer industry, which is locked in a space race, would slow to a halt.

Now back in the good 'ol days Apple could spout it's guff about Motorola not living up to expectations and we'd all be bagging on Motorola/IBM to 'give us
out damned G5 Powerbook!'

Now however, apple is paired with intel, one of the major driving forces in computer innovation, who are continually able to release update after to update. They are so tightly paired that intel is making custom cpu's just for apple. This is HUGE!

Yet, apple wants to keep us customers in our place and make sure we wait until 'the time is right', like we always have for apple products. The difference is now there is only apple to chastise for time we waste on forum talking about which Tuesday is it going to be? Oooh, ooh, let me guess! Next Tuesday! No, wait, the Tuesday after that for sure! Or maybe a random Monday in March?

The point is, apple is benefiting in cost, supply access and time (not to mention the weak US dollar makes for cheap export profits, since international apple prices refuse to reflect the current state of the market) and these benefits are not being fully passed on to their Mac customers.

Grrrrr!

Yeah, the tiring 8 months since the last MBP refresh is just insane. I mean, new CPU, new graphics card, new backlight -- that can't be counted as an update since it didn't change the iconic design of the MBP case.

greenmeanie

Jan 30, 2008, 04:14 PM

Am I the only one who could care less about multi touch?

John Purple

Jan 30, 2008, 04:16 PM

Am I the only one who could care less about multi touch?

No, we are two :p

melchior

Jan 30, 2008, 04:16 PM

Am I the only one who could care less about Apple TV, updated or not and the MBA?

And if decent engineers are so thin on the ground at apple, it might be time for an employment drive?

Am I the only one who could care less about multi touch?

totaly right but dont you think apple will need a little more time their hardware designers are doing a lot of stuff like the next iphone, macbook air apple tv and an update like the one expected will not meet up to our expectations or take a couple months to be ready

gazfocus

Jan 30, 2008, 04:19 PM

It's obvious there'll be an updated MBP but what we want to know is when???

melchior

Jan 30, 2008, 04:21 PM

OT: My apologies, but this thread is pointless anyway.

Gazfocus, you should change your sig to read 'Pronounced DEAD' and throw in a date and time for good humour.

It's obvious there'll be an updated MBP but what we want to know is when???

onicon

Jan 30, 2008, 04:22 PM

I just hope they don't include the MacBook styled keyboard in the new MBP, man i hate those.

As for the super tuesday and the mentioned unlikeliness because of the missing focus of the media: The tech sites/blogs don't care and the first page news won't cover it anyway. But why not a fresh ad on sunday? i heard there's going to be some action half of america is going to watch ;)

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 04:24 PM

It's obvious there'll be an updated MBP but what we want to know is when???

not only when, but what

IMAGINE:
Apple mega clue: YES, our friends of Intel and APPLE astonish you again. The new MBP is fully equipped with Montevina, so it's the newest laptop [and now remember the Macworld Expo keynote] :cool: IN THE WORLD

I guess Steve was close to tears. :)

Orng

Jan 30, 2008, 04:24 PM

ooohhwww... I just can not let this one pass!
Speaking of spelling: don't (do not) you mean 'their' in stead of 'there'?

I didn't want to say anything!

well... that's not true, i did want to say something, but I fought it back :)

melchior

Jan 30, 2008, 04:31 PM

My friend onicon, we finally have an original idea in this thread. Superbowl, of course, was off my radar being it's sport and it's in the united states, but there has been no rumour of any superbowl ad unlike some previous years. Would probably be a better better to say they'll have MBA ad though. :confused:

I just hope they don't include the MacBook styled keyboard in the new MBP, man i hate those.

As for the super tuesday and the mentioned unlikeliness because of the missing focus of the media: The tech sites/blogs don't care and the first page news won't cover it anyway. But why not a fresh ad on sunday? i heard there's going to be some action half of america is going to watch ;)

You're right, Steve should have announced the new Intel Quantum CPU shipping in 2020.

not only when, but what

IMAGINE:
Apple mega clue: YES, our friends of Intel and APPLE astonish you again. The new MBP is fully equipped with Montevina, so it's the newest laptop [and now remember the Macworld Expo keynote] :cool: IN THE WORLD

I guess Steve was close to tears. :)

Now for more off-topic boredom, did anyone catch the new episode of House the other night with the lame iPhone product placement?

gazfocus

Jan 30, 2008, 04:31 PM

not only when, but what

IMAGINE:
Apple mega clue: YES, our friends of Intel and APPLE astonish you again. The new MBP is fully equipped with Montevina, so it's the newest laptop [and now remember the Macworld Expo keynote] :cool: IN THE WORLD

I guess Steve was close to tears. :)

Hmmm I wish...

queshy

Jan 30, 2008, 04:31 PM

Amuraivel

Jan 30, 2008, 04:32 PM

I am patiently waiting, I almost sprung for the latest version, but just not compelling enough to go from 2.16 X1600->2.4 8700GT.

But with another 10% performance from penryn, there is.

I would bet on February. There is no reason not to drop higher performing chips into the product. Lenovo is selling thinkpads with the 2.5 Penryn at the same cost as the 2.4 Meroms; Sony will ship the first week in Feb. So there cannot be that much of a shortage. Moreover, HP and lenovo have first included the penryns in their consumer lines.

Second, while the MacBook Air coverage hasn't been bad, it hasn't been great. The rumored Lenovo X300 far outstrips it.

@12" users (me too formerly): For a long time there was nothing comparable with the powerbook, considering its optical audio in, dvi, gpu, and fast processor. However, Asus just released the WXGA 12" U6S w/ nvidia 8400 & HDMI @3.5lbs which is exactly what the powerbook 12" with a bit better batter life at possibly weighing a bit more 3.9lbs (also to avoid competing with MBA).

A 12" MBP would be cheap and easy to produce because the ODMs already have similar models.

The chips and the tech are there to build smaller machines--But I wonder if Apple really sees itself as a core computer business anymore (they changed their name after all).

They don't need a zillion models like asus, dell or Hp, but maybe etending the line to 5 (with 12" MBP) wouldn't be a bad idea to cover each weight class from 3-7lbs.

McCarron

Jan 30, 2008, 04:34 PM

I predict the new MacBook Pros will keep the same old design, but include the new Penryn processors, a slightly better graphics option, multi touch trackpad, and an LED screen for the 17 incher. That is all. Everyone will be angry.

If that comes out in the next month, I'll be very happy. My new job is getting me a new MacBook Pro and I was hoping the Penryn model would come out to make it a bigger difference over my Core Duo entry level model MacBook Pro. The rest you mentioned are just added bonuses, but also what I'm expecting to see as well. Maybe they'll do a magnetic latch as well, one less moving part.

ipo

Jan 30, 2008, 04:36 PM

khazm

Jan 30, 2008, 04:37 PM

For the past 2 weeks all FutureShops and Best Buys have been cutting prices on all MacBook models... but especially on the Pro version. They are clearing before getting the new shipments I guess!

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 04:37 PM

Stridder44

Jan 30, 2008, 04:39 PM

I guess there's always the possibility of a superbowl ad, but I can't really see it happening (for a new product release anyway). Have they ever done it before?

Yeah, the tiring 8 months since the last MBP refresh is just insane. I mean, new CPU, new graphics card, new backlight -- that can't be counted as an update since it didn't change the iconic design of the MBP case.

For your sake I hope that wasn't sarcasm.

akadmon

Jan 30, 2008, 04:41 PM

For the past 2 weeks all FutureShops and Best Buys have been cutting prices on all MacBook models... but especially on the Pro version. They are clearing before getting the new shipments I guess!

Huh?:confused: I just checked BB.com and the prices are unchanged.

photo-video

Jan 30, 2008, 04:46 PM

G.I. Joe

Jan 30, 2008, 04:53 PM

No, we are two :p

Make that 3.

thechidz

Jan 30, 2008, 04:53 PM

I think since it has been so long since a revision we will see some kind of redesign, but not radical...

I don't think it'll be until April at the earliest though..

Kar98

Jan 30, 2008, 04:59 PM

Am I the only one who could care less about multi touch?

Gimme a multitouch mighty mouse, instead of the roller nipple, and I might care. Otherwise, not so much.

gazfocus

Jan 30, 2008, 04:59 PM

Another interesting bit of analysis about MacBook Pro updates. Link (http://switchtoamac.com/site/macbook-macbook-pro-updates-soon-release-dates-analyzed.html).

The current MacBook Pro models have had the longest period between updates. The prior record was 224 days based on the referenced analysis.

Rest assured that revisions to the Pro line will be here soon.

The information on that link in somewhat contradictory as it says one length of time in the table but then it says Apple classes the MBP's as late 2007's since the addition of the 2.6GHz upgrade option.

It can't be both a november release AND 239 days old???

Shackler

Jan 30, 2008, 05:03 PM

dont know if this has been asked already but...
so how much will the current refub prices go down after this intro.
anyone know from past experience?

ViperrepiV

Jan 30, 2008, 05:09 PM

dont know if this has been asked already but...
so how much will the current refub prices go down after this intro.
anyone know from past experience?

Good Question! I have been wondering the same thing myself...the current MBP is fine for my needs, and I was planning on a refurb unit (the 2.4 version for $2,100)...but if these will be cut again in the next few weeks, i will have to wait...

this is how i feel

:mad::eek::mad::eek::mad::eek::mad::eek::mad::eek::mad:

PeterC-7

Jan 30, 2008, 05:12 PM

I've always thought that a big part of that very large 10.5.2 update (the biggest in OSX history) was to revamp and optimize Leopard for the new Penryn libraries and routines. To my amateur eye Penryn's new 128-bit Floating-Point engine seems not unlike the alti-vec/velocity engine of PPC fame. This is the stuff that really ramps up Penryn performance over its predecessor.

This would make OSX even faster and put an even BIGGER gap between it and Vista. As the competitor disappears in the dust, we slam our machine into overdrive. MS is still coming to grips with far lesser issues, like how do I get this thing out of second gear?

If so, you could expect up to a 40% speed-boost for similar clock-speeds (on optimized software). I think such gains would be very enticing for Apple and would explain why engineers being diverted to the Air would have delayed what seems to be a significant but otherwise minor last MBP upgrade prior to a major redesign mid '08 with a new chip-set. I could be wrong, we may see an Air-like lid with magnetic latch and a few more mm shaved from the bottom case in addition to the gesture-sensitive trackpad, but this would be further encroaching on the Air-space and I think that little bird is going to need all the help it can get to fly.

This optimization of 10.5.2 would not affect the Air’s performance since it is running what amounts to a decapitated Penryn, with none of the new libraries or routines. The boost would, however, provide a further broad incentive to sales as the new CPU architecture is set to replace all Mac's by year's end - particularly iMac's running the 'X' (Extreme) Penryn series.

So my guess: prior to 10.5.2 the new MBP's would debut with a performance-boost of 10-14%, after 10.5.2 the boost could be up in the high 30's (for the OS and shortly thereafter, Apple Apps). So better to delay the MBP's as first impressions count. Also, prior to its release, 10.5.2 needs to be exhaustively tested secretly by Apple on Penryn MBP's - hence little glimpses of MBP 4,1 showing up in logs and hence no 10.5.2 has turned up when all known issues now seem resolved.

With the emphasis on performance with the MBP's, a none-to-favourable comparison would be made with the Air if released too soon. It works better for sales to at least get the Airs in store and out prior to the MBP's arrival. After all they say you do need to see the Air to appreciate it.

Once the OS update is out, there would seem little to delay the MBP release other than Air-space and supply-lines. If correct, it all works rather elegantly in Apple's favour and ultimately ours as well.

DocSmitty

Jan 30, 2008, 05:23 PM

Now for more off-topic boredom, did anyone catch the new episode of House the other night with the lame iPhone product placement?

Oh it was much better than that. They had a MB, MBP, and iPhone. On top of that, House mentioned Steve Jobs by name. Impressive, no?

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 05:27 PM

ANOTHER CASE

the darjeeling limited, new movie by Wes Anderson

mellow2bits

Jan 30, 2008, 05:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenmeanie
Am I the only one who could care less about multi touch?

No, we are two :p

you, you and me are three!

(simultaneously;))

edit:
oops, missed the previous #3 post.. that makes us four, but can't think of an appropriate Chef-song...

aiterum

Jan 30, 2008, 05:36 PM

I predict the new MacBook Pros will keep the same old design, but include the new Penryn processors, a slightly better graphics option, multi touch trackpad, and an LED screen for the 17 incher. That is all. Everyone will be angry.

I wouldn't be, becuase that is exactly what I am expecting, and a lot of people here are expecting from the update too. This update is less about actual performance, and is more about letting the macbook pro stay competitive with other companies in the hardware department

swagi

Jan 30, 2008, 05:37 PM

I think since it has been so long since a revision we will see some kind of redesign, but not radical...

I don't think it'll be until April at the earliest though..

<Darth Vader voice>

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

</Darth Vader voice>

Please don't redesign. If you think, you are in for a redesign, please Ive and Jobs, do something very revolutionary:

MAKE IT THICKER! (sic)

Me don't want a shiny thin new Macbook Pro, me want a nice powerful machine. I don't care if you give me noisier, thicker fans, as long as this thing doesn't get that damn hot (sheesh, I thought my Alu PB was bad, but I heard Mac laptops are getting worse temperaturewise with every iteration).

Please put in a capable (and I mean it like that) gfx card. And do not forget to put in that HDMI-port. Go ahead, strip that bloody DVI, sell a HDMI-DVI dongle if you like, but peeeleaaaaze HDMI.

Oh wait, redesign...yeah, give me some nice carbon around the display. Actually that'd look cool and maybe I don't have these bloody WiFi-signeals anymore.

And while we are at it -> Black keys are the worst design decision Apple ever made. The MBA looks so...dare I say it...disgusting. Really sexy outside, but as yoon as you see it open, the thick latch and the black keys totally ruin it.

Have I talked about a matte option?...Hmmm, I guess Apple better get their act together, or I'll better wait for Montevina :mad:

aiterum

Jan 30, 2008, 05:38 PM

Have I talked about a matte option?...Hmmm, I guess Apple better get their act together, or I'll better wait for Montevina :mad:

last time i checked you could purchase the mbp already with a matte screen?

rhyx

Jan 30, 2008, 05:39 PM

I wouldn't be, becuase that is exactly what I am expecting, and a lot of people here are expecting from the update too. This update is less about actual performance, and is more about letting the macbook pro stay competitive with other companies in the hardware department

THIS. I don't want something revolutionary. I just want something that is better than June 2007.

wallaby

Jan 30, 2008, 05:41 PM

Anyone expecting more than a processor and graphics memory upgrade and maybe multitouch on the trackpad are expecting too much. We didn't even see that much of a revision in style going from the Powerbook to the Macbook Pro, why the hell would you expect to see one now?

Personally, I always think it's nice to have the newest revision but I don't know where I'd be if I hadn't bought my MBP over the summer (right after the last revision). New and shiny is nice but I'm expecting this machine to be a workhorse for a long time to come.

aiterum

Jan 30, 2008, 05:41 PM

THIS. I don't want something revolutionary. I just want something that is better than June 2007.

exactly! It's the crazy nuts who are expecting an 8800 SLI or a quad core processor or something like that who are giving the waiting crew for the MBP a bad name

searchformehere

Jan 30, 2008, 05:42 PM

Let's hope they keep doing that in all future Macs! ;)

His stats for his battery are the best in the group!:D

chrmjenkins

Jan 30, 2008, 05:49 PM

You will not see 8700m or 8800m. They are too large and produce too much heat.

We may see Mobility HD 3600, but I don't know how big of a performance increase that will mean (slight, likely).

As for Montevina questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevina#Montevina_platform_.282008.29

So, yeah it has some nice stuff coming, and you will see some increase from a faster FSB, but the 800mhz memory won't be any faster. DDR3 is a power saver, but its latency is higher, so its advantage is only for higher frequencies that DDR2 can't come close to (1066+). If you are willing to wait for Montevina, you'd be stupid to not wait for Nehalem. That chip re-design will be a monster. We will see netburst to core like performance gains. It will have quickpath technology, faster DDR 3, and an integrated memory controller. I have geek fantasies just thinking about the 32nm version of that chip (8 cores on one die :O )

wildmannz

Jan 30, 2008, 05:58 PM

I think since it has been so long since a revision we will see some kind of redesign, but not radical...

I don't think it'll be until April at the earliest though..
I agree with this. I actually expect the MBP to be released in the next quarter (April) because of Apples low guidance for THIS quarter.
I expect to see a new color choice of Black.
I expect the new cpu (Penryn) and an option for SSD.
There is a possibility of a larger touchpad for multitouch - but I don't expect anything more than this.

Daveoc64

Jan 30, 2008, 06:02 PM

I think that Apple will find it hard to actually improve the design if they do decide to go for a full on redesign.

Short of making it a little bit thinner, there's not much they could do without resorting to something stupid for the sake of saying it's "new".

dal20402

Jan 30, 2008, 06:08 PM

Me don't want a shiny thin new Macbook Pro, me want a nice powerful machine. I don't care if you give me noisier, thicker fans, as long as this thing doesn't get that damn hot (sheesh, I thought my Alu PB was bad, but I heard Mac laptops are getting worse temperaturewise with every iteration).

Please put in a capable (and I mean it like that) gfx card. And do not forget to put in that HDMI-port. Go ahead, strip that bloody DVI, sell a HDMI-DVI dongle if you like, but peeeleaaaaze HDMI.

Oh wait, redesign...yeah, give me some nice carbon around the display. Actually that'd look cool and maybe I don't have these bloody WiFi-signeals anymore.

:confused: :rolleyes:

Get a DVI -> HDMI adapter and plug your MBP straight into any HDMI device.

The only better mobile graphics cards than the one in the MBP are the ones that generate so much heat you only find them in the 2" thick, 10 lb. class of "laptops." If that's what you want, let me off your train! In any case, it doesn't make sense for Apple to release that sort of "laptop," because the only people who buy them are hardcore PC gamers who disdain both Apple and OS X.

And carbon around the display? That would be a good way to make a pretty Mac look like those ugly HPs. Please, no. The wireless reception issues that afflicted 15" and 17" PowerBooks are largely gone on the MBP. (Software issues are a different matter, but those don't have anything to do with the case material and afflict MBPs and MacBooks equally.)

meigo1234

Jan 30, 2008, 06:12 PM

some days ago there was this guy claiming to work for the company that has just produced the leaflets and all that brochure stuff for the upcoming release

believe me or NOT - he sent me a sample

pianoplayer1

Jan 30, 2008, 06:12 PM

Oh it was much better than that. They had a MB, MBP, and iPhone. On top of that, House mentioned Steve Jobs by name. Impressive, no?

Crap lol I missed the episode. Hope my DVR caught it. Otherwise iTunes store!

Stridder44

Jan 30, 2008, 06:13 PM

jameskohn

Jan 30, 2008, 06:15 PM

New processors, improved battery life, multi touch, maybe a little thinner, a little lighter, updated iSight & keyboard a la MBA... that's enough for a nice update, and enough for me! 13" MBP would be my dream, but that's not happening...

Oh, and one more thing: I want it now.

nerdbert

Jan 30, 2008, 06:16 PM

I'm sure they'll just silently beef up CPU, gfx and HDD on all models - it's not like they made a big announcement when they switched to 3,1

I guess it will be like this:

15"/15"/17":

2,4, 2,6, 2,6 GHz (and some insane option for the 17")
GF 8800 Go on all models (they'll castrate the cheaper 15" again for sure)
160, 200, 250 Gb HDD

Now I just wish they would put them in stores this week - I just asked a friend to buy one in the states and he's coming back on Sunday...

compuguy1088

Jan 30, 2008, 06:19 PM

<Darth Vader voice>

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

</Darth Vader voice>

Please don't redesign. If you think, you are in for a redesign, please Ive and Jobs, do something very revolutionary:

MAKE IT THICKER! (sic)

Me don't want a shiny thin new Macbook Pro, me want a nice powerful machine. I don't care if you give me noisier, thicker fans, as long as this thing doesn't get that damn hot (sheesh, I thought my Alu PB was bad, but I heard Mac laptops are getting worse temperaturewise with every iteration).

Please put in a capable (and I mean it like that) gfx card. And do not forget to put in that HDMI-port. Go ahead, strip that bloody DVI, sell a HDMI-DVI dongle if you like, but peeeleaaaaze HDMI.

Oh wait, redesign...yeah, give me some nice carbon around the display. Actually that'd look cool and maybe I don't have these bloody WiFi-signeals anymore.

And while we are at it -> Black keys are the worst design decision Apple ever made. The MBA looks so...dare I say it...disgusting. Really sexy outside, but as yoon as you see it open, the thick latch and the black keys totally ruin it.

Have I talked about a matte option?...Hmmm, I guess Apple better get their act together, or I'll better wait for Montevina :mad:

The MBP doesn't need to be thicker, its size is perfect. In reality they could just refresh the design with the enlarged trackpad (there is plenty of room for a larger trackpad). The other thing they need to do on the 15' MBP is switching the dvi adapter to a mini dvi. This would allow an additional USB port on the right side.

Oh it was much better than that. They had a MB, MBP, and iPhone. On top of that, House mentioned Steve Jobs by name. Impressive, no?

I saw that last night. He gifted his iPhone as a gift for himself for Secret Santa :D. I recall that the show was sponsored by dell though?

exactly! It's the crazy nuts who are expecting an 8800 SLI or a quad core processor or something like that who are giving the waiting crew for the MBP a bad name

It would be nice if they updated the graphics chipset, not making a sli setup. If that isn't possible, the framebuffer should be updated to a standard of 256 Mb, and the high end being 512 Mb.

cibby

Jan 30, 2008, 06:25 PM

I think they can make minor improvements on the MBP case design (i.e. thinner, colors), but where they can make huge strides is in an elegant docking solution. That's the type of update that if done well and in concert with new Apple displays, could really fuel sales. They create another ecosystem of gear that we all want with another high margin must have accessory added to everyone's shopping list. I'm so used to having one at work with my PC that I'd like to have the same simple setup at home.

cibby

Jan 30, 2008, 06:27 PM

The orientation of the egg doesn't look right to me

nerdbert

Jan 30, 2008, 06:33 PM

The other thing they need to do on the 15' MBP is switching the dvi adapter to a mini dvi. This would allow an additional USB port on the right side.

That's a very good idea, but it might not save enough space because the MBP are dual link, which should double the size of a mini dvi port.

I was thinking of replacing the FW 800 port with USB, but it might piss off the few who really use it for some reason (can't think of any benefit from it right now, but I'm sure I'm missing something). Don't get me wrong, I still believe FW is the superior standard, but it's slowly disappearing since USB 2.0 came out. It's still big in the D/V area for very valid reasons, but that's already covered by the FW 400 port...

BornToMac

Jan 30, 2008, 06:42 PM

The orientation of the egg doesn't look right to me

lol

GoxKok

Jan 30, 2008, 07:10 PM

...possibly a slight bump in the GPU with a 8700M or whatever the current 'lower end 8 series' Nvidia mobile solution is.

...no way a bigger card will ever fit into a 1" laptop, esp with heat issues already.

onicon

Jan 30, 2008, 07:10 PM

I was thinking of replacing the FW 800 port with USB, but it might piss off the few who really use it for some reason (can't think of any benefit from it right now, but I'm sure I'm missing something). Don't get me wrong, I still believe FW is the superior standard, but it's slowly disappearing since USB 2.0 came out. It's still big in the D/V area for very valid reasons, but that's already covered by the FW 400 port...

no, it's not. fw400 cannot archive the speed needed for high-end video editing. and usb is a laugh, it performs nowhere near the speed of fw400 let alone 800. though it is theoretically specified at 480mbps it does not reach theese speeds in real-life. whereas fw400+800 come very close to their specified speeds.

j633295

Jan 30, 2008, 07:17 PM

Don't forget Chinese New Year is coming on Feb 7th. That means factories over there will be closed for 7days maybe. It will certainly caused some delays in production and delivery on all Apple products.

rickboy

Jan 30, 2008, 07:30 PM

The Mac book pro Revisions are long overdue. And Im trusting that when they do come it will be worth the wait. The Mac Book pro's as they are now are pretty well equiped. Im hoping for a lighter macbook pro, maybe a tad bit thinner and longer battery life. And faster hard drives. Space is cool, but I feel that no matter how fast your computer is its always limited by how fast data can be written to the drive. And for **** sakes a different casing probably along the lines of the new Imacs. But the new MBP revisions are inevitably coming and soon. So its best to just wait. Ithink Apple did not use Mac world to release MBP in order to keep people focused on the MB-air. Its a good marketing strategy since the MB-air is a very new product.

swagi

Jan 30, 2008, 07:41 PM

:confused: :rolleyes:
The only better mobile graphics cards than the one in the MBP are the ones that generate so much heat you only find them in the 2" thick, 10 lb. class of "laptops." If that's what you want, let me off your train! In any case, it doesn't make sense for Apple to release that sort of "laptop," because the only people who buy them are hardcore PC gamers who disdain both Apple and OS X.

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Just thought, I condense all the whining into one post....I miserably missed a claim, that I want 10 hrs. of battery life.

:D

inmyname

Jan 30, 2008, 07:41 PM

..stocking bigger manila envelopes???:p

bmpwe

Jan 30, 2008, 07:42 PM

Couldnt have said it better. I dont see myself changing my MBP if the keyboard changes. I simply love it. Wrote my entire masters thesis on it. I hate the MB keyboards, could never get used to them, prefer no spaces between keys. I have been waiting for a "worthwhile" update for a while, i have the first ever macbook pro, so ive had it for 2 years minus a few months. So i wouldnt want but generally welcome a redesign, just leave the freakin keyboard alone lol.

I'm right there with you. Right now I upgrade every other release, but... if the keyboard is changed, I'll be grabbing a current top of the line 15" and keeping it for a long, long time.

I just can't get use to the flat keys.

pondie84

Jan 30, 2008, 07:42 PM

nerdbert

Jan 30, 2008, 07:46 PM

no, it's not. fw400 cannot archive the speed needed for high-end video editing. and usb is a laugh, it performs nowhere near the speed of fw400 let alone 800. though it is theoretically specified at 480mbps it does not reach theese speeds in real-life. whereas fw400+800 come very close to their specified speeds.

Regarding FW 400 I totally agree. Like I said prefer this standard over USB. Another benefit of FW is that it does not require a computer in the middle like USB (guess why Intel designed it this way :rolleyes: ).
However, FW 800 is lacking broad support and even if it was the next big thing one might reason that there are not many devices capable of delivering 800 mbit/s. There's a need for higher transfer speeds for certain devices (like HD cams), but the medium on which such material is recorded doesn't deliver such speeds. Maybe this port is good for attaching your RAID system to your MBP, but then you have to wonder why there is no eSATA port for the current line...

nerdbert

Jan 30, 2008, 07:50 PM

Factory workers in China get the whole week off? I'd be surprised if that was true.

No, they usually get 5 days off and have to make up for it on the weekends before and after.

It happened to me once when I was studying there and it made me wish for a normal 5-day week (workers are more likely to have a 6 day week)

Also keep in mind that the weather is going crazy right now causing all kinds of delays. But I'm sure they started production a few weeks ago if the new revision comes out in the very near future)

zorinlynx

Jan 30, 2008, 07:59 PM

I don't really want a redesign, or not much of one. I've been tempted to just go ahead and buy one of the refurbished MacBook Pros, but I want to wait a little bit longer and see if there's anything really must-have about the new models.

I wouldn't mind seeing minor design changes; keep the overall appearance the same, but:

- Magnetic latch like on the Macbooks
- Easier to swap out the hard disk
- Multitouch trackpad
- new style keyboard

and similar improvements that aren't mind blowing but add to usability.

ipo

Jan 30, 2008, 08:00 PM

I'm sure they'll just silently beef up CPU, gfx and ...

Now I just wish they would put them in stores this week - I just asked a friend to buy one in the states and he's coming back on Sunday...

i'm in the same boat - can wait till wednesday though . . i wish both of us luck !

joemama

Jan 30, 2008, 08:04 PM

i'm in the same boat - can wait till wednesday though . . i wish both of us luck !

We just ordered a MBP for my school. If I get it and then Apple updates them, can I bring it to my local Apple store within the 15 day window and receive the upgrade?

zorinlynx

Jan 30, 2008, 08:05 PM

13" MBP would be perfect for so many of us looking to replace 12" PowerBooks: it can be smaller/lighter than the 15" MBP, similar form factor to current 13" MacBook, but max'd out feature set.

You do realize that even the FIRST generation Macbooks beat the tar out of the fastest 12" Powerbooks, right?

I mean, we're talking a massive, totally crippling beating. I've used both.

If you want to upgrade your 12" you are by no means going backwards in the least by going with a Macbook.

Wallace86

Jan 30, 2008, 08:11 PM

As much as a new graphics card would make my long wait worth while, my alternate pessimistic personallity reminds me that the geniuses at apple in all probability will be dombasses and keep the same graphics card (and not even make it 512). They've only switched the graphics cards 1 time in MBPs......they've kept the same graphics cards through updates before, and stinginess is a disease which hopelessly infects apple. This update will probably be comparable to the update they did on the macbook last spring; totally gay (no offense if you are gay).

Mackan

Jan 30, 2008, 08:20 PM

Doesn't take a genious to understand that new versions will be coming out as soon as the mobile Penryn cpu's are more available. Probably within a month.

Krissanda

Jan 30, 2008, 08:51 PM

Come to Papa :D
Lol, that's just a little creepy. But I reaaaally want a MBP too!:D

tamseven

Jan 30, 2008, 08:54 PM

Well... I must say I've been ANXIOUSLY waiting since August for not only a new MBP but to simply become a new convert to the Apple world! I have been checking macrumors daily for new tidbits, and I am sooo anxious! Please please please apple... soon!! My compaq presario that i've been using for the past four years is just slowly crapping out on me... i really need a new computer but i've been holding out for a MBP update, no doubt i'll be buying one the first day of the release!

petercooper

Jan 30, 2008, 09:07 PM

vixapphire

Jan 30, 2008, 09:18 PM

I have mixed feelings about a redesign. In the one hand, new designs would be exciting. On the other hand, the current design is quite nice. Maybe they will move everything to a bigger version of the macbook air case? Who knows...

i hope they redesign it at least to add that chicklet-style keyboard. that'll make it easier to pick up a current 2.6 cheap on blow-out!

and yeah, i'm sooo all over that if it plays out this way.

eXan

Jan 30, 2008, 09:22 PM

Can someone explain why so many people seem to be clamoring for more video RAM? I have 128MB in my PC (which I play games on) and it runs things like Unreal Tournament 3 at high frame rates at the full res on that machine (1680x1050). On a 15" MacBook Pro, which you're highly unlikely to be playing games on anyway, at a resolution of 1440x900, why would you need 256 (let alone 512) megabytes of VRAM?

I'm not asking this as a "you guys are crazy" type thing, but I'm genuinely interested. There's clearly a demand, but I don't get what it's based around. Even 512 in regular gaming PCs seems to be of little use compared to 256 unless you're playing ultra high end stuff, and that's not stuff for the portable market anyway.

Because many people are dumb and think that "more VRAM = faster". Its like with consumer cameras: "more megapixels = higher quality pictures", but in reality quite often its the opposite.

I'd rather Apple put a faster GPU in MBP, not the same GPU with more VRAM.

lucky3killer

Jan 30, 2008, 09:24 PM

Apple Corps

Jan 30, 2008, 09:27 PM

Can someone explain why so many people seem to be clamoring for more video RAM? I have 128MB in my PC (which I play games on) and it runs things like Unreal Tournament 3 at high frame rates at the full res on that machine (1680x1050). On a 15" MacBook Pro, which you're highly unlikely to be playing games on anyway, at a resolution of 1440x900, why would you need 256 (let alone 512) megabytes of VRAM?

I'm not asking this as a "you guys are crazy" type thing, but I'm genuinely interested. There's clearly a demand, but I don't get what it's based around. Even 512 in regular gaming PCs seems to be of little use compared to 256 unless you're playing ultra high end stuff, and that's not stuff for the portable market anyway.

peter - many of these cases are like the "spec junkie" - 450 horsepower, 15 mega pixels, T1 bandwidth - it all sound great but has little impact in many real world uses. In my business I present HD videos and ultra high resolution photographs with my MBP / 256 VRAM perfectly. These HD videos are imbedded within Keynote and really look great. Do I need more - not based on what I do. Now, if I did 3D simulations or other demanding - maybe I'd be looking for 512. Otherwise.......

lucky3killer

Jan 30, 2008, 09:34 PM

Quite easily. It needs the same count of Watts like a 8700.

Edit: Just as the 8600 did fit, too. They always made the notebook thinner but with better graphics card. Why shouldn't they be able to implent an 8800, too :) Btw, I am talking about the 8800M GTS, not GTX

Not true, it require more heatsink and fan, that cause MBP to be more thicker.

Apple is hardly to put high-end GPU chipset in MBP, plus I'm totally doubt that would come with MBP, though.

If you REALLY need high end graphic chipset then get IBM clone laptop with Windows.

I would prefers desktop for serious games but laptop is so weak for games and produces more heat.

lucky3killer

Jan 30, 2008, 09:40 PM

omore1234

Jan 30, 2008, 09:47 PM

redesign, redesign, redesign !:D

eXan

Jan 30, 2008, 09:52 PM

Yup, I agree...

If members are really want laptop for gaming then call to Apple to developing new MacBook Gaming with more than 1" thicker, it's up to Apple to introduce new series of MB for gaming.

They already have one! Its slightly portable too! Its called the iMac :D

ColonelSmith

Jan 30, 2008, 09:55 PM

All I want is a new keyboard!

Sonic

Jan 30, 2008, 10:02 PM

Regarding FW 400 I totally agree. Like I said prefer this standard over USB. Another benefit of FW is that it does not require a computer in the middle like USB (guess why Intel designed it this way :rolleyes: ).
However, FW 800 is lacking broad support and even if it was the next big thing one might reason that there are not many devices capable of delivering 800 mbit/s. There's a need for higher transfer speeds for certain devices (like HD cams), but the medium on which such material is recorded doesn't deliver such speeds. Maybe this port is good for attaching your RAID system to your MBP, but then you have to wonder why there is no eSATA port for the current line...

I see a definite improvement when running a 7200rpm external drive through the 400 and 800 ports, so for me as a musician streaming audio tracks, it's absolutely essential. I like also having the option of running eSATA from the expresscard if you really wanna go that far! But I think I'd prefer to see the natural transition to FW3200 / USB3 with the same numbers of ports in the current MBP.

I'm hoping to see very little redesign. I'd personally like a TiBook-like thin, uniform bezel return, definitely with that more subtle MBA camera, MB latch maybe, but not the black keys. Please not the black keys. Both previous pro-laptop styles had their charms, so a combo with perhaps aluminium MB style keys would be nice. I've always imagined that a slightly darker, gun-metally aluminium might be interesting

Graphics card is still solid. SSD option I think on the cards.

I'm waiting for Montevina and beyond, depending on how my current 2.4 does me, which I love very much. When's Nahelem due? :D

AidenShaw

Jan 30, 2008, 10:09 PM

Can someone explain why so many people seem to be clamoring for more video RAM?

Unfortunately, a couple of replies haven't really been useful.

In the old days, it was pretty easy to calculate how much VRAM you needed. Three bytes per pixel for 24-bit color - so how big is the screen? (1280x1024x3 = about 4 MiB is enough)

Some apps would "double buffer", and build the next image in the VRAM and do a nearly instant swap. Doubles the need per window, so for a full screen window we're at about 8 MiB. Add an alpha channel for transparency, and we add another 8 bits per pixel, so 8 MiB becomes about 10 MiB.

Make it a pair of 1600x1200 screens, and we're at about 30 MiB.

But, those were the old days.

Today, VRAM is used for many things in modern systems. Motion effects, transparency, and other needs have moved to an environment where every window is given to the graphics card to manage. In the old days, you basically only had to worry about VRAM for the visible pixels. Today, the compositing engine puts all of the windows "onscreen", and gives the graphics card "depth" information and lets the graphics card determine which pixels are visible. Have 10 or 20 windows up, and 256 MiB disappears rather quickly.

In other words, the "eye candy" that you see needs more graphics memory than your full screen 3D game. Couple that with the common use of multiple large displays, and you often run into situations where 256 MiB is either slow or forces the OS to disable certain features.

eXan

Jan 30, 2008, 10:13 PM

Unfortunately, a couple of replies haven't really been useful.

In the old days, it was pretty easy to calculate how much VRAM you needed. Three bytes per pixel for 24-bit color - so how big is the screen? (1280x1024x3 = about 4 MiB)

Some apps would "double buffer", and build the next image in the VRAM and do an nearly instant swap. Doubles the need per window, so for a full screen window we're at about 8 MiB. Add an alpha channel for transparency, and we add another 8 bits per pixel, so 8 MiB becomes about 10 MiB.

Make it a pair of 1600x1200 screens, and we're at about 30 MiB.

But, those were the old days.

Today, VRAM is used for many things in modern systems. Motion effects, transparency, and other needs have moved to an environment where every window is given to the graphics card to manage. In the old days, you basically only had to worry about VRAM for the visible pixels. Today, the compositing engine puts all of the windows "onscreen", and gives the graphics card "depth" information and lets the graphics card determine which pixels are visible. Have 10 or 20 windows up, and 256 MiB disappears rather quickly.

In other words, the "eye candy" that you see needs more graphics memory than your full screen 3D game.

Theory is good of course, but nothing beats a real benchmark on how 512 MB draws system eye-candy faster than 256 MB on he same GPU?

BTW, when I used an older MBP (with X1600) with a 30" ACD I noticed no slowdowns in expose, dashboard, etc effects when I had many windows open. That was with 256MB VRAM on a slower GPU than 8600GTm

compuguy1088

Jan 30, 2008, 10:23 PM

Because many people are dumb and think that "more VRAM = faster". Its like with consumer cameras: "more megapixels = higher quality pictures", but in reality quite often its the opposite.

I'd rather Apple put a faster GPU in MBP, not the same GPU with more VRAM.

That is true. But as of recently 512 Mb of Vram has become the standard, from the fact that many games are using that much at higher texture settings.

eXan

Jan 30, 2008, 10:26 PM

That is true. But as of recently 512 Mb of Vram has become the standard, from the fact that many games are using that much at higher texture settings.

The games that have a heavy use of extra 256MB VRAM wont run well on a MBP anyway, especially on highest graphics settings

compuguy1088

Jan 30, 2008, 10:33 PM

The games that have a heavy use of extra 256MB VRAM wont run well on a MBP anyway, especially on highest graphics settings

True, though games are starting to need more ram by default. It reduces the need to swap textures from system ram to vram.

That's a very good idea, but it might not save enough space because the MBP are dual link, which should double the size of a mini dvi port.

I was thinking of replacing the FW 800 port with USB, but it might piss off the few who really use it for some reason (can't think of any benefit from it right now, but I'm sure I'm missing something). Don't get me wrong, I still believe FW is the superior standard, but it's slowly disappearing since USB 2.0 came out. It's still big in the D/V area for very valid reasons, but that's already covered by the FW 400 port...

I didn't know that mini-dvi was not dual link. I wonder if it would be hard to make the mini-dvi port dual link as well?

jragosta

Jan 30, 2008, 11:04 PM

I'd be surprised if Apple but Bluray in their computers any time soon. If SJ had his way, he'd have us all download our video/music content from iTunes. So while Apple is on the BluRay board (or whatever), at most it'll be a BTO, but I don't expect to see it anytime soon, especially not in their laptops.

Coachingguy

Except that Apple and Disney are so close - and Disney is all BluRay. Since they get about $10 more per disk for BluRay than for DVD, I'm sure Disney would like BluRay to catch on.

I don't have any idea when it will happen, though.

This thread is kind of pointless. Wasn't it obvious that the MBP's would be updated.

Mac OS Rumors had a report that the MBA was going to be updated with Penryn at some point,

I posted a sarcastic reply ("Well, gee. When Intel releases faster chips which consume less power, Apple will put them into their laptops. I'd never have figured that out on my own. Thank you so much, Mac OS Rumors."). They never posted it.

This is the exact same logic I follow as to why I can't upgrade my iMac. I wanted a computer that was just a step below a PowerMac, and my G4 iMac did a good job of being that... Today's iMac, however, is multiple steps below a Mac Pro and there's no substitute. Apple doesn't make a computer that will fit my needs.

It may not make a computer that fits YOUR needs, but it's hard to see that the iMac is 'multiple steps below a Mac Pro' for most users. You can expand RAM high enough for the vast majority of users. You can add as many external hard disks as you need. The processor is plenty fast for the majority of users.

I'm willing to bet that for 90% of non-game players and non-graphics professionals, there is no real difference in usability between the iMac and the Pro. If you're a professional or an avid game player, you need the pro.

Of course, there are plenty of people who want the Pro, but want it at half the price, but that's too bad.

I just don't see a significant number of people being left out between the iMac and the Pro.

Am I the only one who could care less about Apple TV, updated or not and the MBA?

If we ever get to the point that Apple is in business only to satisfy your needs, that might become relevant.

That is true. But as of recently 512 Mb of Vram has become the standard, from the fact that many games are using that much at higher texture settings.

Yes, for top-end gaming.

The MBP isn't meant to win any Quake frame rate contests, however. If you want killer frame rates, you get a desktop with multiple graphics cards. Laptops aren't (generally) meant to be the top end gaming machines.

Eidorian

Jan 30, 2008, 11:29 PM

Ah geeze, jragosta use the multiquote.

Video RAM is nice but you're going to need the pipes and bandwidth to use all that texture space. Laptops are going to get lower clocked, cooler parts as it is.

Radeon 38xx at 55nm is sexy right now.

compuguy1088

Jan 30, 2008, 11:50 PM

Yes, for top-end gaming.

The MBP isn't meant to win any Quake frame rate contests, however. If you want killer frame rates, you get a desktop with multiple graphics cards. Laptops aren't (generally) meant to be the top end gaming machines.

Actually I do have a gaming rig with 512 Mb framebuffer. I just mention the vram as a way to future proof from future gaming. OSX also uses the graphics card, so a increased framebuffer may help when having a dual monitor setup with multiple windows open.

Ah geeze, jragosta use the multiquote.

Video RAM is nice but you're going to need the pipes and bandwidth to use all that texture space. Laptops are going to get lower clocked, cooler parts as it is.

Radeon 38xx at 55nm is sexy right now.

Though on Windows, using the inf from LaptopVideo2go allows it to run at the mobile GPU's stock speeds (which are lower than desktop cards)

JasO

Jan 31, 2008, 12:05 AM

Doesn't take a genious to understand that new versions will be coming out as soon as the mobile Penryn cpu's are more available. Probably within a month.

It doesn't take a genius to spell genius correctly either.

Also i think the MBA touchpad is more of a gimmick than anything. Give me higher CPU speeds and access to more ram and i'll be quite content.

samh004

Jan 31, 2008, 12:22 AM

what do you mean out of fashion? do you think apple "design" or whatever "design" is driven by fashion? :eek:

They certainly have their own sense of fashion that they follow, and most other products have been redesigned countless times already. Think of the iPod nano for instance. Each one sole really well, but was completely changed the next revision.

I think they're drive to make things nicer and nicer, and the MBP is stale.

Stridder44

Jan 31, 2008, 12:42 AM

They certainly have their own sense of fashion that they follow, and most other products have been redesigned countless times already. Think of the iPod nano for instance. Each one sole really well, but was completely changed the next revision.

I think they're drive to make things nicer and nicer, and the MBP is stale.

Absolutely sam. For those of you who don't want change (why?), you might as well get in the mindset for a MBP with a new MBA-like keyboard, magnetic latch, and so on. Might not happen this time around, but it will eventually.

Also I gotta agree with a "bigger" video card. The current card isn't bad, but up the vram (256 at least), if nothing else to just future proof it. Yes, no crap the MBP isn't a gaming machine, but it's not like an upgrade would hurt.