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ucfgrad93
Jan 30, 2008, 07:52 PM
MacWorld (http://www.macworld.com/article/131864/2008/01/macbookair.html) has posted a review of the MBA. It is an interesting read.

Is losing several hundred megahertz, dozens of gigabytes of hard-drive space, an internal optical drive, and FireWire connectivity worth losing two pounds? (Those are the differences between the MacBook Air and the MacBook—if you’re considering a switch from the MacBook Pro, the differences are even starker in both directions.) Each laptop user will have to answer that question for themselves.

As a longtime fan of small laptops, I embraced the MacBook Air with some trepidation. But once I slipped that three-pound laptop into my backpack and threw the bag over my shoulders, I realized that sacrificing some storage space and some processor power was ultimately worth it for me.



SthrnCmfrtr
Jan 30, 2008, 07:55 PM
I wouldn’t recommend trying to break it over your knee

Good job, MacWorld. :rolleyes:

aiongiant
Jan 30, 2008, 07:57 PM
hehe i agree! with that review lol
good find

heatmiser
Jan 30, 2008, 07:59 PM
shorter version: if performance matters, it's a toy. if weight matters, it's great.

Techguy172
Jan 30, 2008, 08:41 PM
shorter version: if performance matters, it's a toy. if weight matters, it's great.

That pretty much sums it up

mkrishnan
Jan 30, 2008, 08:43 PM
shorter version: if performance matters, it's a toy. if weight matters, it's great.

A review one could (and you did, presumably) deliver without even testing a Macbook Air.... :D

queshy
Jan 30, 2008, 08:56 PM
I agree with the review. It sort of made me realize I'm wasted my $ on the macbook pro.

Have I ever taken out my battery in my cell phone, iPod, laptops, etc.? No.

Do I ever use my optical drive? Just to install software every few months...

What sort of USB devices do I use? Just my key every now and then. I usually just transfer stuff over my airport extreme network because it's easier than turning around my 24" iMac to have access to the USB Port (I guess I'm lazy!).

What do I store on my hard drive? Just school stuff. All my music is on my iPod and on my iMac at home.

At the time, the MacBook pro was only 400 or so more than the macbook. It was worth it for the backlit keyboard, the cooler, aluminum design, and most importantly the larger screen. I obviously could have done fine with the regular macbook, but I think the bigger screen is better only because the weight of the mbp is so close to that of the macbook. the MBA would probably be the best choice, but I guess i'm still happy with my MBP!

ucfgrad93
Jan 30, 2008, 09:58 PM
I thought the review did a good job highlighting the tradeoffs of getting a MBA.

OW22
Jan 31, 2008, 04:54 AM
A good review imho. Well presented describing exactly that this is obviously not going to be all things to all men. It's targeted at a very specific group.

I'm still in two minds as to what to get MBA or MB Pro. I love the idea of the light MBA for ultra portability, would make a huge difference I think as you make your way through the hell that is Airports today. I do use optical drives to watch DVD's when I'm on Biz trips though, when I'm in Germany or Holland, Belgium etc the hotel TV is normally quite rubbish and there's only so much CNN you can take before you go mad. Don't think I'd have a major issue taking the external drive with me. I may occasionally need to work on creating documents maybe with Photshop or just Pages but I don't believe that would be a huge issue on the MBA.

Cybergypsy
Jan 31, 2008, 06:59 AM
I thought the review did a good job highlighting the tradeoffs of getting a MBA.No trade off s for me its, perfect :)

mashoutposse
Jan 31, 2008, 07:37 AM
I played with a 1.8/SSD model last night (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4864031#post4864031) -- the performance is stellar; on par with my MBP 17" 2.4SR for all of the mundane tasks. I didn't get to try any of the hardcore multimedia creation/editing stuff, though. The word from an Apple employee is that even something as processor intensive as HD video encoding could be as fast on the MBA SSD model as the top MBPs due to the far faster storage.

The REAL Air experience lies in the top configuration, no doubt. Based on the pricing for the 64GB SSD at retail, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was kinda-sorta subsidizing it. $3k began to feel justified after some firsthand use.

ob81
Jan 31, 2008, 08:30 AM
No trade off s for me its, perfect :)

Any apple user who has never owned an ultraportable, will have an adjusting period. Mainly because ultraportables have been around for years, but you don't have one. A $400 true ultraportable is out, and you don't have one. The Macbook Air is a nice "slim" laptop, but that is about it. Users will work harder with the 2lbs loss, than they would if they simply purchased a macbook.

The main compromise will be with media as the HD is too small. This can be solved with a portable external drive though, but we inch closer to the macbook Air being even less portable than the Macbook with every "but I can" being thrown into the equation.

It seems like a lot of Macbook Air buyers are trying to force upon themselves that the Macbook Air is perfect for them, when if it is, they would have had one of the many ultraportables on the market already.

That being said, I am grabbing a Macbook Air sometime after I find out if they actually perform well, but in no way does it make sense to get rid of my current macbook, as it is far more superior for use within the home on a network than the Macbook Air is, which happens to be where most buyers (people on this forums have indicated such) will be using it.

That is probably a big spill, but I hope that users will understand that they don't have to keep campaigning why the Macbook Air was born for them. We don't care, go spend your money and be happy.

tstarks33
Jan 31, 2008, 08:31 AM
I played with a 1.8/SSD model last night (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4864031#post4864031) -- the performance is stellar; on par with my MBP 17" 2.4SR for all of the mundane tasks. I didn't get to try any of the hardcore multimedia creation/editing stuff, though. The word from an Apple employee is that even something as processor intensive as HD video encoding could be as fast on the MBA SSD model as the top MBPs due to the far faster storage.

The REAL Air experience lies in the top configuration, no doubt. Based on the pricing for the 64GB SSD at retail, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was kinda-sorta subsidizing it. $3k began to feel justified after some firsthand use.

No doubt about it, the SSD version would be sweet, and I seriously considered it before ultimately going with the black macbook. Personally, I can't justify $3k for this machine in the least bit. SSD is a great and all, but not $1k+ great.

MacFever
Jan 31, 2008, 09:36 AM
Just found an article over at PCmag.com on a review of the Macbook Air

Here's a picture they had showing the thickness comparison to the Macbook Pro

Ibook Comparison
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/17/0,1425,sz=1&i=178816,00.jpg

Macbook Pro 15" comparison
100175

lol

zanoii
Jan 31, 2008, 10:35 AM
Ibook Comparison
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/17/0,1425,sz=1&i=178816,00.jpg

lol

That's no iBook. It's a 12" Powerbook.

I also did that size comparison with my personal PB 12", check out my images from the press event in Sweden:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zanoii/sets/72157603731292793/

Although mine are somwhat worse aligned..

j26
Jan 31, 2008, 10:44 AM
Just found an article over at PCmag.com on a review of the Macbook Air

Here's a picture they had showing the thickness comparison to the Macbook Pro

12" Powerbook Comparison
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/17/0,1425,sz=1&i=178816,00.jpg

2 points

1. The 12" Powerbook is thicker than current MBP's so the picture is comparing a new product with a discontinued one.

2. A picture from the rear of the machines would show substantially less of a difference. This picture is comparing the thinnest edge of the MBA with a Powerbook of uniform thickness

mashoutposse
Jan 31, 2008, 10:45 AM
It seems like a lot of Macbook Air buyers are trying to force upon themselves that the Macbook Air is perfect for them, when if it is, they would have had one of the many ultraportables on the market already.

Yeah, one of the many portables that run OSX.

Or the ones with excellent displays and desktop quality keyboards.

I've owned the Sony X505, the U1 and U3 (both smaller and more feature-packed than the EEE PC despite being nearly 5 years old), the handheld UX series, etc. I'm no stranger to "true" ultraportables -- the compromises made with the screen and keyboard on these computers make them non-starters for me and many others. And that's before you start talking about the ridiculous premium these computers command (far more expensive than the MBA for far less performance).

The reality is that, once you realize that these things aren't pocket-size (even the diminuitive VAIO UX280 is too big), footprint ceases to matter. You still need a bag. The slight increase in the number of situations where a smaller computer makes sense is immediately overcome by the fact that you are loathe to use it because of the tiny screen and keyboard.

The MBA makes the smartest compromises -- big, beautiful screen; big, comfortable keyboard; smallest body possible that will allow for the former at the expense of features that are used less than half of the time.

ewxlt
Jan 31, 2008, 10:56 AM
Like leather pants, the MBA isn't for everyone.:D

ctt1wbw
Jan 31, 2008, 11:13 AM
Damn, look at the size of that "footprint"! It's enormous, how are people supposed to use that thing? I mean, did they have to get a flat-bed truck to tow that up there for the pics? :rolleyes::D

tstarks33
Jan 31, 2008, 11:32 AM
The MBA makes the smartest compromises -- big, beautiful screen; big, comfortable keyboard; smallest body possible that will allow for the former at the expense of features that are used less than half of the time.

Isn't this what Steve said word for word? :)

I can't believe that the size difference between a MBA and a MB are big enough to matter to most folks.

Capt. Morgan
Jan 31, 2008, 01:52 PM
I played with a 1.8/SSD model last night (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4864031#post4864031) -- the performance is stellar; on par with my MBP 17" 2.4SR for all of the mundane tasks. I didn't get to try any of the hardcore multimedia creation/editing stuff, though. The word from an Apple employee is that even something as processor intensive as HD video encoding could be as fast on the MBA SSD model as the top MBPs due to the far faster storage.

The REAL Air experience lies in the top configuration, no doubt. Based on the pricing for the 64GB SSD at retail, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple was kinda-sorta subsidizing it. $3k began to feel justified after some firsthand use.

Gee, thanks a lot. There goes another $1000.

ahaxton
Jan 31, 2008, 01:59 PM
Gee, thanks a lot. There goes another $1000.


OMG I just read that post too. I been debating whether I should go SSD. I think my pants feel a bit wet now.

nagromme
Jan 31, 2008, 03:09 PM
shorter version: if performance matters, it's a toy. if weight matters, it's great.

If dual 1.6 Ghz 64-bit Core 2 CPUs = toy, then most computer users in the world--even pros doing real work--are using LESS than toys.

It's the slowest Mac currently made. And faster than pro towers from not long ago.

People have a warped obsession with certain spec numbers.

heatmiser
Jan 31, 2008, 03:16 PM
It's the slowest Mac currently made. And faster than pro towers from not long ago.


Why are you comparing it to towers made years ago? This is 2008, correct? I stand by my statement. Decide which matters more to you--weight or performance--and you'll know whether the MBA is right for you or not. And you won't even have to compare it to desktops no longer in production to do so! :D

Judged merely on the cold technological specifications, the MacBook Air can’t measure up to Apple’s other laptops. For those to whom the tech specs matter above all else, the MacBook Air can’t be seen as much more than an overpriced, underpowered toy.

But for those who factor size, weight, and—yes, I’ll admit it—style into the equation, the MacBook Air begins to make more sense. Up until now, Mac users who craved the smallest Mac laptop possible have made their own compromise, using the lower-powered MacBook (or clinging desperately to the even lower-powered 12-inch PowerBook G4).

Is losing several hundred megahertz, dozens of gigabytes of hard-drive space, an internal optical drive, and FireWire connectivity worth losing two pounds? (Those are the differences between the MacBook Air and the MacBook—if you’re considering a switch from the MacBook Pro, the differences are even starker in both directions.) Each laptop user will have to answer that question for themselves.

bigbadnewill
Jan 31, 2008, 03:24 PM
Like leather pants, the MBA isn't for everyone.:D

I can't stop laughing at your quote! Maybe it's because i'm so tired, i dunno...but i found it very funny indeed!

diabolic
Jan 31, 2008, 03:54 PM
Judged merely on the cold technological specifications, the MacBook Air can’t measure up to Apple’s other laptops.

I'm glad I don't base my purchases solely on tech specs, and I am sure I'm not the only one.

Remember, the review finishes with this:

once I slipped that three-pound laptop into my backpack and threw the bag over my shoulders, I realized that sacrificing some storage space and some processor power was ultimately worth it for me.

mashoutposse
Jan 31, 2008, 04:11 PM
Isn't this what Steve said word for word? :)

I can't believe that the size difference between a MBA and a MB are big enough to matter to most folks.

I wouldn't be surprised as my statement makes perfect sense ;) :p

BTW, the size and weight difference between an MBA and MB is significant. Remember that UGH! feeling you experience when you think about 8 pound, 1.5" thick Dells versus your lighter, slimmer MBP? Same thing here :D

shorter version: if performance matters, it's a toy.

LOL. I would put money on the 1.8/SSD config being as fast as (or faster than) current SR MBPs in many, if not most, important tasks.

And about the MBA being the "slowest Mac on sale today," I'm going to repost a previous comment:

OK.

The Sony TZ is the slowest computer Sony makes.

The Toshiba R500 is the slowest computer Toshiba makes.

The Lenovo X300 is the slowest computer Lenovo makes.

And on and on and on. Note that none of the above models are in any way value priced, either. No "crazy justifications;" that is simply the nature of the beast!

ob81
Jan 31, 2008, 05:54 PM
I wouldn't be surprised as my statement makes perfect sense ;) :p



I think I used the word "need". If they "needed" an ultra-portable, they would have had one. Like I said, I am grabbing an Air, but not for a need, but simply to just have it. I have sat here and tried to convince myself that the macbook and Macbook pro that I have been using for the past year and a half were just too big for me. I was on my last leg carrying them, and lucky the Air is shipping because now I can get back to my normal life. No.

That isn't the case. The only thing that made sense in your post is the fct that the Air runs OSX.

You will be using the same exact case that you would use for a macbook. You will need the same size bookbag slot. If you do want a thin case, you are still going to need an additional case for when you want to lug the external writer or a portable HD.

The whole 2lbs thing is baloney, and I doubt many people could argue that point face-to-face with someone else without laughing at themselves.

The Menacer
Jan 31, 2008, 06:02 PM
2. A picture from the rear of the machines would show substantially less of a difference. This picture is comparing the thinnest edge of the MBA with a Powerbook of uniform thickness

Not true. The top of the thinnest point of the laptop is the height of the thickest point. The thinnest point of the laptop isn't on the table, it's raised up about a centimeter.

OW22
Jan 31, 2008, 06:13 PM
Guys serious question....


Would you notice the speed difference loading pages between a MBA and a 2.4 or 2.6 MBP on the net???

Where would the speed difference really count between the MBA and MBP??

I don't know which one is best for me!! Help!!

ob81
Jan 31, 2008, 06:17 PM
Guys serious question....


Would you notice the speed difference loading pages between a MBA and a 2.4 or 2.6 MBP on the net???

Where would the speed difference really count between the MBA and MBP??

I don't know which one is best for me!! Help!!

nah. That depends on your internet connection. Though if you have many applications open, the browser of your choice will be slower on the MBA than the MBP. If you just need the internet, go with the MBA.

OW22
Jan 31, 2008, 06:21 PM
Thanks dude.

cohibadad
Jan 31, 2008, 06:24 PM
shorter version: if performance matters, it's a toy. if weight matters, it's great.

No where in the review is there any hint of suggesting it's a toy as far as performance. Slower than any other current mac yes. Toy? Tell that to every laptop owner who hasn't upgraded in the last couple years.

heatmiser
Jan 31, 2008, 06:31 PM
No where in the review is there any hint of suggesting it's a toy as far as performance.

...

Judged merely on the cold technological specifications, the MacBook Air can’t measure up to Apple’s other laptops. For those to whom the tech specs matter above all else, the MacBook Air can’t be seen as much more than an overpriced, underpowered toy.

diabolic
Jan 31, 2008, 08:03 PM
For those to whom the tech specs matter above all else, the MacBook Air can’t be seen as much more than an overpriced, underpowered toy.

I'd say that most people don't fall into that category.

cohibadad
Jan 31, 2008, 08:35 PM
...

I could reword that statement as For those who require the fastest CPU, optical drive and multiple ports, MBA is a toy. They aren't saying it's a toy as far as performance. That is a misunderstanding or reading into it your own prejudice. Tech specs doesn't mean performance.

Zeos
Jan 31, 2008, 08:56 PM
OMG I just read that post too. I been debating whether I should go SSD. I think my pants feel a bit wet now.

Buy the HD version and upgrade to SSD yourself in a year when the SSD prices have dropped. There should be plenty of videos and pix on how to do it by then.