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arn
Apr 26, 2002, 10:54 AM
Spymac (http://www.spymac.com) reports of a revamp of Apple's displays starting with the introduction of a 19" LCD in MWSF '03.

Initial rumors of a 19" LCD emerged back in December (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2001/12/20011202023546.html) from RailHeadDesign (http://www.railheaddesign.com)... the predicited 19" LCD and drop of the 15" LCD has yet to materialize.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 26, 2002, 11:04 AM
Whoa! That's goning to be great if true

"The entire display line is going consumer/professional," reports our source.

I wonder what the price will be? Most likely something around the $1400 mark. It would be nice if they could offer it around $1k though. Also the resolution should be curious. Are they going to go for the standard aspect ratio as in the 17" and 15" or the Cinema style seen in the 22" and 23".

Its going to be a long wait, if we see it at all - all thing SpyMac should be handle with caution.
:D

BeerDrinker29
Apr 26, 2002, 11:08 AM
They get rid of the 22" display. Who would buy that? Ok ok, i know someone who did :-) But I'm sure the sales have been at least cut in half since the intro of the 23"

Pentium Killer
Apr 26, 2002, 11:28 AM
Have you compared the price of the 22" and the 23"?So you see who would buy the 22" :D

TyleRomeo
Apr 26, 2002, 11:31 AM
no no no i want the 19 inch LCD this summer. drop the 15 inch LCD and have the 17 for $700 the 19 for $1200 the 22 for $2200 and the 23HD for $3300.

the 19 inch would look great with my new July Power Mac

IndyGopher
Apr 26, 2002, 11:35 AM
I kinda doubt that 50% of the people in the market for a wide-aspect ratio monitor think the one THOUSAND dollar premium demanded for an extra inch of screen real estate (high definition be damned) is cost effective. I wonder what impact the 23" really has had on the 22"... the HDTV angle seems kinda nichey.. even for Apple.

BeerDrinker29
Apr 26, 2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by IndyGopher
I kinda doubt that 50% of the people in the market for a wide-aspect ratio monitor think the one THOUSAND dollar premium demanded for an extra inch of screen real estate (high definition be damned) is cost effective. I wonder what impact the 23" really has had on the 22"... the HDTV angle seems kinda nichey.. even for Apple.

From my limited experience in that area:
If they can afford the 22, they can afford the 23.
They don't usually care -- they just buy top of the line regardless of what it is. (I know these are overly generalized statements.. like I said, in my limited, biased observations of those who use such a screen.)

jelloshotsrule
Apr 26, 2002, 11:42 AM
i too tend to think that if someone can get the 22, they can get the 23... of course there are plenty of exceptions to this rule. there WILL be cases where someone is able to save up the price of the 22", just for that big jump from 17 to 22. but they can't make the extra thousand for the 23. but in general i think it's companies that can get the top of the line and for the most part, would.

not sure how many companies would dump "old" 22's for the new 23's... but i'd be willing to take them off their hands. ha

iGav
Apr 26, 2002, 11:52 AM
The new 19" should be wide aspect........ that'd be cool....

I'm really suprised that the imac doesn't sport a 15.2" screen the same as the TiBook...... I know that conventional 15" screens are cheaper, but sharing parts between machines is a good a place as any to save alittle bit of money!!

BeerDrinker29
Apr 26, 2002, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by iGAV
The new 19" should be wide aspect........ that'd be cool....



No kidding! That would make the imac so much better, for me atleast.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 26, 2002, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by iGAV
The new 19" should be wide aspect........ that'd be cool....

I'm really suprised that the imac doesn't sport a 15.2" screen the same as the TiBook......

What if....

Apple decided to go with the wide aspect ratio (WAR) LCD across the whole line - drop the 15", 17"-23" WAR and a WAR iMac. That would be wild and help set Apple further in the 'think different' department.

Set the new trend....

Luckster
Apr 26, 2002, 12:16 PM
While true that the 22" has been around for a while, it took nearly 3 years before it went from $4000 to $2500. I sincerely doubt that the 23", will be dropped from $3500 to $2500 in a mere couple of months. The yeild is simply too low do that. If you want a place to start to figure out what is next, look at LG. Apple LCD screens (At the Cinema series) are made in Korea, by LG electronics.

iGav
Apr 26, 2002, 12:27 PM
What if....

Apple decided to go with the wide aspect ratio (WAR) LCD across the whole line - drop the 15", 17"-23" WAR and a WAR iMac. That would be wild and help set Apple further in the 'think different' department.

Set the new trend....

That'd be so cool wouldn't it....... widescreen just look so much cooler, that's one of the reasons why I love the TiBook.....

It would have been cool to make the new iMac 15.2" though...... that to me, would have boosted the appeal!!

Okay.... mr jobs...... we want it wide boy!! WIIIIDDDDDEEEEEEEEEE!!!
:D

dantec
Apr 26, 2002, 12:32 PM
All of you go check out www.apple.com/macosx and look closely at the display showing the big Jaguar title. It looks like a 15" to me but the apple logo is Quicksilver, not the original graphite.

Interesting... Maybe we will see one more breed of 15" before it goes...

rainman::|:|
Apr 26, 2002, 12:53 PM
while it's an interesting idea, apple will never (unless it becomes a standard) go totally WAR... if they do this 15"->19" shift, the lower two models will probably continue to be standard, leaving a WAR for the 22 and 23" models...

Tho i doubt Apple will make the shift higher for at least 6-9 months... gotta wait for the LCD price tide to go out again...

:)
pnw

mcrain
Apr 26, 2002, 01:23 PM
How long before we start hearing 19" iMac rumors???

BeerDrinker29
Apr 26, 2002, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by mcrain
How long before we start hearing 19" iMac rumors???

That's too far.. 17" would be perfect.. 19" would be.. why? :)

djniche
Apr 26, 2002, 01:38 PM
I was thinking of getting the 22" cinema display around august...
I work on web design and graphic design... would you buy now or wait until the 19" comes out??

19 will allow for a decent work space. I will most likely be half as much as the 22 is now..

what would you do??

Rower_CPU
Apr 26, 2002, 01:39 PM
I would love to see a 19" display, in fact I asked the Apple rep for our university about it yesterday at a tech event and he said "I'm pretty sure they're working on something."

Personally the 22 and 23 are just too damn expensive for most people. I'm waiting for the 17" to drop and then I'll set up a dual 17" system. 34" of screen real estate baby!!! 1280x1024 is the perfect resolution for me, so I won't miss the higher res of the 22/23.

Maybe when the 19" hits we'll see price drops across the board. Then again, maybe not since this is Apple and they introed a new iPod and Cinema display w/out dropping the price on the old ones. :rolleyes:

kishba
Apr 26, 2002, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by dantec
All of you go check out www.apple.com/macosx and look closely at the display showing the big Jaguar title. It looks like a 15" to me but the apple logo is Quicksilver, not the original graphite.

Interesting... Maybe we will see one more breed of 15" before it goes...

that seems more like graphite of some sort rather than crome... they are using chrome on the new one and its really shiny

arn
Apr 26, 2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by djniche
I was thinking of getting the 22" cinema display around august...
I work on web design and graphic design... would you buy now or wait until the 19" comes out??

19 will allow for a decent work space. I will most likely be half as much as the 22 is now..

what would you do??

Ironically (seeing as I run a rumor site) - I would not put too much faith in it. If you were looking to buy now... I would certainly recommend getting it... in August... we'll it's harder to say... obviously, wait and see what the atmosphere is then.

arn

nero007
Apr 26, 2002, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by iGAV
The new 19" should be wide aspect........ that'd be cool....

I'm really suprised that the imac doesn't sport a 15.2" screen the same as the TiBook...... I know that conventional 15" screens are cheaper, but sharing parts between machines is a good a place as any to save alittle bit of money!!

Doesn't the iMac share parts with the 15" Apple Studio?

sjs
Apr 26, 2002, 07:38 PM
One of the big business magazines (might've been Forbes or Business Week) reports that the LCD makers are not making a decent profit. Despite the dramatically increasing sales of all types of lcds, there is a price war. Manufacturers are trying to capture market share.

If you are thinking of buying now, don't wait. There's a small likelihood of prices dropping anytime this year.

King Cobra
Apr 26, 2002, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by sjs
One of the big business magazines (might've been Forbes or Business Week) reports that the LCD makers are not making a decent profit. Despite the dramatically increasing sales of all types of lcds, there is a price war. Manufacturers are trying to capture market share.

If you are thinking of buying now, don't wait. There's a small likelihood of prices dropping anytime this year.

sjs brings up a point. If Apple is able to lower their prices on LCD displays by even small amounts, then there is a possibility that Apple will sell the 19 inch for a low price.

But how low would that price be?

Rebates were offered for the purchasing of monitors with Powermacs, in which these would have been the final prices:
15 inch: $499
17 inch: $699
22 inch: $1999
I am wondering if that in a few months from now, these could be the new low price for the monitors. Then the 19 inch would fit for $999.

However, since LCD monitors might still be on short supply, I wonder how Apple will adjust their prices.

It would be cheaper for Apple to use a widescreen format for their 19" display, using a 16 by 10 ratio.

Area of 4:3 19 inch aspect monitor: 173
Area of 16:10 19 inch aspect monitor: 162

Correct me on my math, but Apple would then be able to sell their wide screen 19 inch monitor for 6.4% less than their 4:3 model. If Apple made a 4:3 22 inch monitor, that would probably have cost up to $100 more than what is currently available. And the monitor would weigh more.
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glowurm
Apr 26, 2002, 09:00 PM
I won't be believing anything I read from spymac sources. Do I need to remind anyone about the iWalk? How about the other failed predictions?

I feel dumber for having read the "tip" in the first place. Perhaps that's the cause of my horrible spelling. Jeeze, can't we filter stories out? Or is this like the YMCA - "Everyone's Welcome" - ?

King Cobra
Apr 26, 2002, 09:07 PM
Nice call, glowurm. When was spymac ever right?

They predicted so many things: iWalk, iBox, I-whatever, and all they get for it is a pat on the back and a $40 paycheck for citing themselves. :)

iWalk, iSit, iType, iThinkThatSpymacDoesNothingButLie.

As for screen resolution in this 19 inch monitor, it would probably be at or slightly above the 17 inch version in # of pixels (guessing).

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mmmdreg
Apr 26, 2002, 09:29 PM
As spymac says, the 22" may be discontinued and a 19" released..how about a 21" introduced to replaced the 22, then we would have a 15, 17, 19, 21 and 23" model line of displays..

King Cobra
Apr 26, 2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by mmmdreg
As spymac says, the 22" may be discontinued and a 19" released..how about a 21" introduced to replaced the 22, then we would have a 15, 17, 19, 21 and 23" model line of displays..

Do you trust spymac? :)

I think it would be pretty unintelligent for Apple to have five display types...what would consumers think? I would assume that three (currently four) would be the most Apple would offer, since the price ranges might then become too confusing.
15" $599
17" $999
19" $1399 (maybe)
21" $1999 (maybe)
23" $3494
These prices are just possibilities. But what if LCD prices come down and the price ranges converge? Then the issue would become more complicated.

I would rather see Apple with three, maybe four, displays for offer, rather than adding to complication. Just my opinion.
Any time is a great time for iPod.

Xapplimatic
Apr 26, 2002, 11:23 PM
Apple's not dumping their lowest end offering.. because prices haven't come down.. They aren't about to leave the lowest end at a higher price.. It would be shooting themselves in the foot.. They will be dumping the 22, because generally speaking, those who could afford a 22, can also afford a 23. The 22 and the 23 compete too closely, so it will be bye-bye for the 22 the second the 19 inch is released. Mark my words.. There are two likely line-ups:

15, 17, 19, 23..

But I find for product differentiation, Apple will more likely do this:

15, 19, 23.. That provides the more traditional small, medium, large choice that people are familiar with.. With a perfect 4 " step between each choice.

pimentoLoaf
Apr 27, 2002, 03:27 PM
My now antique (but still working) and phenomenally deep (front to back) NEC 17" MultiSync from 1995 looks kinda nice with a mirrored image from my iBook, but having a 19" flatscreen for it and an anticipated G5 system (to replace the crappy 6100/66 that sits beneath the hulking NEC) would ease my desktop real estate problems.

The ol' NEC went for $1000; would hope that the 15" is cancelled too, so that the 19" could come in at that price.

G4scott
Apr 28, 2002, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by sjs
One of the big business magazines (might've been Forbes or Business Week) reports that the LCD makers are not making a decent profit. Despite the dramatically increasing sales of all types of lcds, there is a price war. Manufacturers are trying to capture market share.

If you are thinking of buying now, don't wait. There's a small likelihood of prices dropping anytime this year.

Great. An opportunity for LCD makers to drop prices, and some greedy bastard who already has a million dollar mansion and a ferrari wants more market share. Sounds kinda like MS...

19 inches would be good, but I wouldn't get it. I'd probably want the 17 or 15 inch, seeing as that I dont have tons of money to spend on displays. I also need a new computer to use them effectively...

What Apple needs to attract the lower end pro users, who need more than an iMac, is lower priced displays.