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furcalchick
Jan 31, 2008, 01:29 PM
jesse jackson is after mlb again, and this time it's because the umps background checks included a question to their neighbors 'is mr. x a member of the kkk?'

Jesse Jackson chastises MLB over KKK questions of umps' neighbors

By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer
January 31, 2008

NEW YORK (AP) -- Jesse Jackson criticized Major League Baseball on Thursday for sending investigators to the hometowns of umpires to ask neighbors questions that include whether the ump belongs to the Ku Klux Klan.

"Major League Baseball has done a disservice to its progressive social history by equating southern whites with white supremacists," Jackson said in a statement. "I am surprised the professional league which helped change social attitudes in all sports leagues about segregation, by championing Jackie Robinson, would make such a destructive move."

World Umpires Association president John Hirschbeck and union spokesman Lamell McMorris said Wednesday that Tom Christopher, the Milwaukee-based supervisor of security and investigations in the commissioner's office, had asked questions about Klan membership to neighbors of umpires Greg Gibson and Sam Holbrook, who reside in Kentucky. In addition, Hirschbeck said similar questions had been asked to neighbors of umpire Ron Kulpa, who lives in suburban St. Louis.

"In a year with the injustice of Jena Six, nooses hung around the country and the Tiger Woods-Golfweek scandal, Major League Baseball's false impersonations of friendships and ill-contrived questions further press sensitive racial stereotypes, with no basis for suspicion," Jackson said. "They have essentially defamed their people in their own neighborhoods."

Baseball stepped up background checks last August, after it became public that the FBI was investigating NBA referee Tim Donaghy for betting on games. Donaghy pleaded guilty to felony charges of conspiracy to engage in wire fraud and transmitting betting information through interstate commerce, and he awaits sentencing.

MLB asked umpires to sign authorizations allowing the sport to conduct financial backgrounds checks, but umps balked.

"We did not anticipate that they would approach neighbors posing as a close colleague and friend of the umpire's and asking them questions such as: Do you know if umpire 'X' is a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Does he grow marijuana plants? Does he beat his wife? Have you seen the police at his home? Does he throw wild parties?" McMorris said from India, where he was taking part in the tribute marking the 60th anniversary of the death of Mohandas K. Gandhi.

"To try to link our umpires to the Ku Klux Klan is highly offensive. It is essentially defaming the umpires in their communities by conducting a very strange and poorly executed investigation. It resembles kind of secret police in some kind of despotic nation."

Contacted Wednesday, Christopher referred questions to Rob Manfred, baseball's executive vice president for labor relations. Manfred did not immediately return a call.

"The claims of inappropriate questions by individuals conducting background checks was brought to our attention and looked into," Jimmie Lee Solomon, MLB's executive vice president of operations, said in a statement. "It was determined that these claims were inaccurate. Questioning was conducted with a written script consistent with common practice, and there was no inappropriate conduct on behalf of the investigators."

Alison Rohan, who lives across the street from Kulpa in Maryland Heights, Mo., said Christopher knocked on her door two or three weeks ago and gave her his card.

"He explained they were going to be talking to neighbors and friends because of the problems with the basketball league and that Ron knew about it," she said. "He listed about 10 different questions, the first one being did Ron live out of his means? For example, does he drive a Rolls-Royce?"

Rohan said she told Christopher that Kulpa lived in a manner similar to that of his neighbors.

"He asked if Ron belonged to any groups or organizations," she said.

"Groups?" she remembered replying.

"You know, like the KKK," she said Christopher told her.

"We both laughed and I said no," Rohan said. "He belongs to a neighborhood Harley-riding group of dads."

Hirschbeck, who lives in Poland, Ohio, said that shortly before Christmas, he encountered Christopher on a street in his own neighborhood. Hirschbeck said MLB was taking what the WUA considers to be a typical heavy-handed approach to umpires and that it would be brought up in negotiations for the next labor contract. The current deal expires after the 2009 season.

"Once again, baseball's favorite way of doing things: Ready, fire, aim," Hirschbeck said. "It's not a good way to start the season."

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-umpires-backgroundchecks&prov=ap&type=lgns

i think asking if a person is a part of a hate group is a valid question. mr. jackson is going overboard again, they are not equating southern, or any, whites for being supremacists. they are asking a legit question to see if the person is a bit shady. and if he was really for black progress in baseball, would he really want kkk members umping games?:confused:

i was going to post this in the hotstove thread, but i think this topic should be put in this forum due to it's nature.



rdowns
Jan 31, 2008, 01:35 PM
Eff Jesse Jackson. He's part of the problem.

Naimfan
Jan 31, 2008, 02:32 PM
^Seconded.

Talk about someone desperate to recapture some publicity!

pilotError
Jan 31, 2008, 03:06 PM
I see he's finally getting over the Stigma of Cheating on his wife...

Do as I say... Not as I do...

Sayhey
Jan 31, 2008, 03:35 PM
It's funny that to some Jackson can do nothing right. Here he is defending white umpires from MLB's intrusive background checks and he is lambasted for doing so. Go figure! :rolleyes:

Naimfan
Jan 31, 2008, 04:21 PM
It's funny that to some Jackson can do nothing right. Here he is defending white umpires from MLB's intrusive background checks and he is lambasted for doing so. Go figure! :rolleyes:

My, what an enormous generalization . . . based on such extensive knowledge of people posting. :rolleyes:

Desertrat
Jan 31, 2008, 04:51 PM
"Rohan said she told Christopher that Kulpa lived in a manner similar to that of his neighbors.

"He asked if Ron belonged to any groups or organizations," she said.

"Groups?" she remembered replying.

"You know, like the KKK," she said Christopher told her.

"We both laughed and I said no," Rohan said. "He belongs to a neighborhood Harley-riding group of dads."

God forbid that anybody ever should say something off the cuff in a casual manner and joke about it! Oh! The horrors!

Sarcasm mode off.

This J. Jackson creature spends entirely too little time beneath his flat rock. But, gotta give him credit--if that's a proper word usage--for one superb skill: Playing the race card for $$$$$.

'Rat

themadchemist
Jan 31, 2008, 04:54 PM
Actually, I'm surprised at people's reactions to this. Jackson is usually stereotyped as highlighting, reinforcing, or even creating racial tension. Here he is pointing out that randomly digging through people's lives to figure out if they're racists is a bad thing, and the same group of individuals who call him out for pointing out inequity is up in arms again!

I'm not saying I love everything Jesse Jackson does. Usually, he gets on my nerves. But it does seem a little odd that the man can do no right in so many people's eyes.

harcosparky
Jan 31, 2008, 05:01 PM
It's funny that to some Jackson can do nothing right. Here he is defending white umpires from MLB's intrusive background checks and he is lambasted for doing so. Go figure! :rolleyes:

Ya' know I had to reread the article.

So the MLB is investigating caucasian umpires about possible KKK membership and Jesse Jackson is irate???

It's both funny and sad in a way, you have to know that what Jackson is doing is making a preemptive strike against MLB for one reason ......

He fears that if the MLB is asking *those* questions about caucasian umpires, what kind of questions will they ask about minority umpires!!!!!

Or in the words of one local radio host ( off air of course ) " Jesse never defends the white man unless he can make the blacks benefit "

LethalWolfe
Jan 31, 2008, 05:31 PM
Actually, I'm surprised at people's reactions to this. Jackson is usually stereotyped as highlighting, reinforcing, or even creating racial tension. Here he is pointing out that randomly digging through people's lives to figure out if their racists is a bad thing, and the same group of individuals who call him out for pointing out inequity is up in arms again!


The reason most people are turned off by JJ is because he's a self-promoting, media whore, hypocrite always looking for a "problem" to exploit so he can get his face on TV and name in the papers. This latest instance seems to be no different. Contrary to JJ's sensationalized, made-for-the-media sound bite, MLB is not saying every southern white male is a member of the KKK.

Same crap, different day.

Lethal

Cleverboy
Jan 31, 2008, 08:26 PM
I'm not saying I love everything Jesse Jackson does. Usually, he gets on my nerves. But it does seem a little odd that the man can do no right in so many people's eyes.
In the end, I guess we're all that cynical. Personally, I think its a good thing what he's doing. He needs to do more of it when he can, but his credibility is pretty low. Some folks criticizing certain black leaders for only championing "black" media stories need to take some notice and keep an open mind. If you don't stay balanced you become part of the problem yourself.

~ CB

KingYaba
Feb 4, 2008, 01:11 PM
Jesse Jackson contributes nothing positive to our discussion.

Sayhey
Feb 10, 2008, 09:26 PM
My, what an enormous generalization . . . based on such extensive knowledge of people posting. :rolleyes:
No, no generalizations on my part. I was dealing with some very specific examples of ad hominem attacks on Rev. Jackson, including your oh so insightful second of one, that are totally unresponsive to the thread topic. Only posters taking the opportunity to take generalized shots at Jackson without comment about the issue of whether or not umpires have a right to not have their neighbors and friends quizzed about their political views by MLB.

Having had the opportunity to hear Jesse Jackson speak out for causes that hardly anyone else gave support to at the time - such as the rights of workers on strike in Watsonville's strawberry fields - I know what good he is capable of. I don't see the above attacks on Rev. Jackson as either informed of the man's history, or informative on whether his contribution to this specfic issue is positive or not.

So far, I count the original poster's comments as the only thing of interest in this thread.

zap2
Feb 10, 2008, 10:57 PM
He has my respect for standing up for a race issue, for whites(nothing wrong for standing for equal rights for blacks, in fact we need to, but sometime they over do it), not saying he is right or wrong, but many people in that field are never around when issues about racism come up with white people on the end getting hurt(I'm looking at you Al Sharpton!)

To me, this is a sign of a man who wants equal rights for all.