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peterjeter26
Jan 31, 2008, 05:43 PM
there is no cable that people can watch live tv, honestly do u really need it to be wireless come on u know u can just hook it up and plus you can watch on your computer. without having channels on apple tv its just a complete waste of money.



killmoms
Jan 31, 2008, 05:45 PM
Someone's missing the point. :rolleyes:

EDIT: "You know why no one buys refrigerators? Because you still have to go to a store and get food, man!"

CWallace
Jan 31, 2008, 05:46 PM
Not everyone desires to watch live television. My friend waits until the season DVDs are released and either buys or rents them and watches the whole thing in one shot because don't watch enough content to justify a $60+ monthly cable bill.

ceres
Jan 31, 2008, 05:54 PM
Not everyone desires to watch live television. My friend waits until the season DVDs are released and either buys or rents them and watches the whole thing in one shot because don't watch enough content to justify a $60+ monthly cable bill.

Itīs 30 Euros for me, meaning that a PS3 at 389 will be paid for in about a year.
Everybody in Europe dls HD Content from the US either as .tor or via usenet because content providers and right holders are in the US and treat the rest of the world not as nicely. Nobody <50yrs over here waits a year after US airtime to buy the dvd box sets. Apple TV wonīt even sell to the obese this side of the ocean bc the same content restrictions will apply all over again frustrating both the consumer and Apple.

Cave Man
Jan 31, 2008, 06:00 PM
Don't feed the trolls; especially don't know what they're talking about.

there is no cable that people can watch live tv, honestly do u really need it to be wireless come on u know u can just hook it up and plus you can watch on your computer. without having channels on apple tv its just a complete waste of money.

HotRodGuy
Jan 31, 2008, 06:02 PM
why the hell would I want to watch live TV through my apple TV?? That's what a cable box is for :confused:

bentup
Jan 31, 2008, 09:00 PM
I think he means it lacks a tv tuner? while I DO already have an Apple TV. A stock tuner and DVR would be pretty sweet, and would probably lead to more sales!

But 2.0 will be pretty sweet too, so I'm content. :p

Live Steam
Feb 2, 2008, 05:44 PM
So let me get this straight. ATV cannot record live TV as a DVR would? Is this the case? I understand the OPs position on this if it does not.

MBHockey
Feb 2, 2008, 05:45 PM
No, it's not a cable box. Do you know what an Apple TV is?

MikieMikie
Feb 2, 2008, 05:46 PM
Troll, and a barely literate one at that.

I'm like yesterday's clams: "Chowder here."

Live Steam
Feb 2, 2008, 05:50 PM
No, it's not a cable box. Do you know what an Apple TV is?
I know it's not a cable box. However can an HD cable box be connected to it and used like a DVR? If not then what is the point of it other than as a means to rent movies which I can do through my cable provider. Please explain the advantages. Oh by the way I am not a troll. Is everyone who comes to these forums with questions, trolls?

maokh
Feb 2, 2008, 05:50 PM
Thats like saying nobody buys DVD players because you cant watch live TV on them. Nearly every television has more than one input, and you can easily change between them.

besides...i dont even have any live tv anyway.

CWallace
Feb 2, 2008, 08:07 PM
I know it's not a cable box. However can an HD cable box be connected to it and used like a DVR?

No it cannot. It only has video and audio outputs.


If not then what is the point of it other than as a means to rent movies which I can do through my cable provider.


Can your cable DVR stream music from your iTunes collection?
Can your cable DVR show pictures from your Mac or PC?
Can your cable DVR view MP4 videos from your Mac or PC?
Can your cable DVR buy content (music and movies) from the iTunes store?


If it cannot, do you wish your cable DVR could do any or all of these things?

If so, you might want to consider an Apple TV.

If not, then the Apple TV is not something you need concern yourself about.

:)

Cave Man
Feb 2, 2008, 08:57 PM
However can an HD cable box be connected to it and used like a DVR? If not then what is the point of it other than as a means to rent movies which I can do through my cable provider. Please explain the advantages.

You have to pay the cost of your movie rental, plus your monthly subscription to your cable provider. How much is that? Most people pay in the $40-$60 range for monthly services. We only have HDTV through an antenna on our roof, plus a one-time expense of an Eye TV Hybrid of $150. Since we already have a computer and high-speed internet access, this is the most cost-efficient means of renting HD movies and recording HD content from our local TV stations for playback on the ATV.

The ATV is a kick-@$$ device.

Cave Man
Feb 2, 2008, 09:01 PM
Oh by the way I am not a troll. Is everyone who comes to these forums with questions, trolls?

We don't generally treat people with questions or misunderstandings about the ATV as trolls, only those who make grand pronouncements that are largely based on uninformed opinion, such as those made by the OP.

Chundles
Feb 2, 2008, 09:02 PM
Reason nobody here buys the :apple:tv?

Sod-all video content. No rentals, no movies, no TV shows nothing. Just music videos and short films and it's been that way ever since iTunes did videos.

Unless it changes quick smart the 2.0 software update will just give us a new way to do the same things we do now and even more buttons that don't do anything.

Dagless
Feb 2, 2008, 09:22 PM
I don't want one because there is no SCART output. So it'd just sit there under my TV.

Nermal
Feb 2, 2008, 09:30 PM
I don't want one because there is no SCART output. So it'd just sit there under my TV.

That's Apple for you again: They always do things the American way, even in products sold internationally. This is just the same as Apple's insistence of hooking iChat up to AIM instead of MSN.

MattV151
Feb 2, 2008, 09:54 PM
So let me get this straight. ATV cannot record live TV as a DVR would? Is this the case? I understand the OPs position on this if it does not.

I agree too. Im still going to get one but I have friends that use Windows Media Center and they can record their TV shows. It would be nice if ATV had the same features as a Windows program.

Cave Man
Feb 2, 2008, 11:45 PM
I agree too. Im still going to get one but I have friends that use Windows Media Center and they can record their TV shows. It would be nice if ATV had the same features as a Windows program.

Can you provide details on these WMC, such as how much they cost, what inputs they have, what outputs they have, and the like?

Frisco
Feb 2, 2008, 11:48 PM
Apple TV blows!

I know a harsh statement. But Apple TV is doomed for failure in so many ways.

TheQuestion
Feb 3, 2008, 01:34 AM
Apple TV blows!

I know a harsh statement. But Apple TV is doomed for failure in so many ways.

Talk about trolling...

After macworld, i know 7 people (including myself) who went out an bought one in anticipation of rentals. Like another poster in this thread, I'm not sure you understand what the purpose of the device is

McGiord
Feb 3, 2008, 01:37 AM
Most of the online streaming content is free.

www.abc.com

Check out the LOST seasons in HD.

I connect my MB to my big screen TV and my Home Theater...no payment.
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TheQuestion
Feb 3, 2008, 01:43 AM
Most of the online streaming content is free.

www.abc.com

Check out the LOST seasons in HD.

I connect my MB to my big screen TV and my Home Theater...no payment.

Commercial interruptions, no fastforward/skipping...not my cup of tea. Each to their own though. However, I'm glad it does work for you. It does provide more incentive and creativity in moving HD content to network.

MikeL
Feb 3, 2008, 02:02 AM
There's a point to all of this. The general public has absolutely no idea what ATV is for. None at all.

They barely know what a DVR is, and they have been on the market for a decade. J6P has no clue what an ATV does. Apple is a computer company that makes iPods--they don't have a TV network, right? Rip a DVD to a computer? Huh?

Not that Apple markets ATV to the general public. ATV really is an experiment. It's exploring a business model. That much should be obvious to anyone who can connect a few dots. The vision isn't hard to see--downloaded, paid content supplanting and later displacing the advertisement driven subscription services of today. Nobody thinks of their cable or satellite that way, though. There's a cultural gap that Apple isn't likely to bridge.

Live content is the challenge. Perhaps IPTV will surmount that, but that's not here just yet. The idea would shake certain industries to their core.

I think Apple has made some mistakes. They've failed to see the draw of user-created content. I'm not talking about Youtube--that's a distraction for most people, not the diversion from life that TV provides. I'm not talking about Flicker and .Mac. I'm talking about photos we take ourselves and keep in our iPhoto libraries.

Apple has botched that. Their photo implementation sucks. No thumbnails? Linear slideshows only? It's awful.

Digital cameras are far more ubiquitous than iPods. Everyone has one. My grandparents have them. We take thousands of photos, but what do we do with them? We take photos to create memories, and share memories. Today's HDTVs are awesome for displaying photos. The problem is that for most people, the photos are stuck on the computers. I've seen people load up memory cards and try to run a slide show from their cameras. How clunky.

Nobody likes clunky. ATV's photo implementation is clunky. It's an after-thought.

Apple has botched ATV in more than one way. They've tied it to iTunes, so as to be cross-platform. Sorry, but iTunes is a lousy photo app. I'd much rather see Apple restrict ATV to Mac users and allow some better photo functionality. ATV has a limited audience already, so there's little harm in further limiting it while working to get it "right."

leekohler
Feb 3, 2008, 03:20 AM
I just bought an ATV today, and I must say even without the new features I love it. What a fantastic idea. I've had a blast just using it with Youtube today. My roommate and I watched some Dexter episodes on it as well. When the new software comes out, it will be unmatched. Good for Apple for doing this. My roommate is an unbelievable skeptic and he loved it too. I love ATV.

harcosparky
Feb 3, 2008, 05:00 AM
I agree too. Im still going to get one but I have friends that use Windows Media Center and they can record their TV shows. It would be nice if ATV had the same features as a Windows program.

I thought the ATV was supposed to be an 'extension' of your computer to your TV.

I use my ATV to view shows I recorded on my computer TV all the time, and unlike Media Center I do not have to hook the computer to the TV.

My computer is on one side of the house and my TV is on the other. Thanks to ATV, programs I record can be streamed to my TV.

If I wanted my computer where the TV was located I could hook it directly to the TV and not need the ATV, but I do not want to do that. The ATV allows me the freedom to put the TV where I want it and the computer where I want it.

Before I bought Apple Computers I looked at Media Center, and laughed at it. I mean I was doing everything on my PC that one could do on a Media Center and not paying a premium price for a " media center ". :D

I always thought of Media Center as just another Microsoft marketing gimmick.

Live Steam
Feb 3, 2008, 10:47 AM
No it cannot. It only has video and audio outputs.





Can your cable DVR stream music from your iTunes collection?
Can your cable DVR show pictures from your Mac or PC?
Can your cable DVR view MP4 videos from your Mac or PC?
Can your cable DVR buy content (music and movies) from the iTunes store?


If it cannot, do you wish your cable DVR could do any or all of these things?

If so, you might want to consider an Apple TV.

If not, then the Apple TV is not something you need concern yourself about.

:)
You say no recording. Cave Man says it can record TV. What is the deal? Can or can't it record?

As for the other things you mentioned, I can do that with any wireless router and a home theater interface - even a mini, which may better option that the ATV as it can probably be configured to record as well. The only thing the ATV offers is a line to Apple to rent movies from them. Maybe they should give the ATV away for free with the idea that it will be paid for through movie rentals.

I still don't see any advantage it provides other than as a link. It has a HD so there must be some way to write to is. Does it act as a DVR?

Much Ado
Feb 3, 2008, 10:54 AM
I just bought an ATV today, and I must say even without the new features I love it. What a fantastic idea. I've had a blast just using it with Youtube today. My roommate and I watched some Dexter episodes on it as well. When the new software comes out, it will be unmatched. Good for Apple for doing this. My roommate is an unbelievable skeptic and he loved it too. I love ATV.

I totally agree.

The new software update will be great, and with the competitive rentals I'm sure loads of people will buy ATVs... but even without the update I still love the little box.

Alrescha
Feb 3, 2008, 11:11 AM
You say no recording. Cave Man says it can record TV. What is the deal? Can or can't it record?

No he didn't. He uses an EyeTV with his computer to record content for his Apple TV.

The Apple TV is not a DVR.

A.

Cave Man
Feb 3, 2008, 11:36 AM
Cave Man says (the ATV) can record TV.

No, I did not.

What is the deal? Can or can't it record?

No, it cannot.

As for the other things you mentioned, I can do that with any wireless router and a home theater interface - even a mini, which may better option that the ATV as it can probably be configured to record as well.

The ATV has a better graphics unit, capable of delivering 1080 video (although currently restricted to 720 output). The Mini has 802.11g, not n, and could experience wireless issues with high bit rate video. It also has DVI, not HDMI and is more expensive. The Mini can do Dolby Digital or DTS 5.1 playback of DVDs, MKV and MOV files, and upscale DVDs. There are times when a Mini is better, and times when an ATV would be better. And yes, the Mini can record HD with the Eye TV device.

The only thing the ATV offers is a line to Apple to rent movies from them. Maybe they should give the ATV away for free with the idea that it will be paid for through movie rentals.

Apple makes very little on content sales. Probably not a good business decision.

I still don't see any advantage it provides other than as a link. It has a HD so there must be some way to write to is. Does it act as a DVR?

I don't have to pay $60 a month to have DirecTV or cable, plus the expense of the rental from those companies. I already have a computer and I already have high-speed internet access. I'd rather spend that $60 a month on other things. We've been DirecTV-free for a year and that $720 we saved was spend on the ATV, Eye TV Hybrid and a 1 TB hard drive. They've paid for themselves at this point (1 year after the ATV purchase).

ebony
Feb 3, 2008, 11:45 AM
there is no cable that people can watch live tv, honestly do u really need it to be wireless come on u know u can just hook it up and plus you can watch on your computer. without having channels on apple tv its just a complete waste of money.

I think you are missing the point of the AppleTV. It is an itunes library media extender , i.e. anything in your itunes library can be played on your AppleTV on your TV.

Where you get your content is up to you, but as of now the AppleTV does not provide the content, ( apart from Youtube ), it is the conduit that allows you to view the media content you already have.

Apple have never said it would do or be anything else. For me the way it functions now is excellent. I have eyeTV and convert DVD's, I have over 1TB of media ( mostly films and tv programs ).

With ver 2 of the software Apple will be allowing you to obtain the content directly from the itunes store. For me the interface is changing too much, and AppleTV is becoming more of an itunes store portal, with a negative effect on the simple interface that allows me to access multiple itunes sources that contain my media content. For me I will be sticking with ver 1.1.

So in conclusion my thoughts are I don't want the option to obtain content using the appletv - the opposite of what your misinformed expectations of the AppleTV are.

Live Steam
Feb 3, 2008, 12:42 PM
You have to pay the cost of your movie rental, plus your monthly subscription to your cable provider. How much is that? Most people pay in the $40-$60 range for monthly services. We only have HDTV through an antenna on our roof, plus a one-time expense of an Eye TV Hybrid of $150. Since we already have a computer and high-speed internet access, this is the most cost-efficient means of renting HD movies and recording HD content from our local TV stations for playback on the ATV.

The ATV is a kick-@$$ device.
If you do not have cable and do not rent movies, where do you get your content?

MovieCutter
Feb 3, 2008, 12:56 PM
there is no cable that people can watch live tv, honestly do u really need it to be wireless come on u know u can just hook it up and plus you can watch on your computer. without having channels on apple tv its just a complete waste of money.

Have you even tried watchin live TV lately? It blows. Aside from the Daily Show and the Colbert Report, my TV is set to AppleTV 90% of the time. Thanks for your concern though. :rolleyes:

severe
Feb 3, 2008, 01:05 PM
I just bought an ATV today, and I must say even without the new features I love it. What a fantastic idea. I've had a blast just using it with Youtube today. My roommate and I watched some Dexter episodes on it as well. When the new software comes out, it will be unmatched. Good for Apple for doing this. My roommate is an unbelievable skeptic and he loved it too. I love ATV.

Same here. I've had the ATV in my place since Friday, and I find it great.

Do I believe there are other ways of doing what it does with the current software? Yes. So elegantly and without hassle? No. All for $200?

Sold.

So far, my favorite use is streaming online content that I've converted to an iTunes format. (there's a ton of media on the net that can't easily be found in hardcopy) After spending most of my day in front of computer monitors, I loathe the idea of having to watch something lengthy in front of a computer. Now that's no longer an issue. And without having to burn the media to DVD and deal with those format issues as well.

Worth the price of admission.

Cave Man
Feb 3, 2008, 02:44 PM
If you do not have cable and do not rent movies, where do you get your content?

I didn't say we don't rent movies. I said we don't pay $60 per month for DirecTV anymore. Cable's just as bad. We rent some movies, but we get most through our local library. Once the HD rentals become available through the ATV, we will likely rent some of those. All of our other content is from DVDs that we own (which have been imported using Handbrake) and from our over-the-air antenna digital broadcasts from two nearby cities.

Jestered
Feb 3, 2008, 02:49 PM
(sarcasm) I totally agree with the OP! And not to be off topic, but... I am totally pissed that the iPod does not include a CD player! What is Apple thinking?!?!?!?!?

severe
Feb 3, 2008, 03:15 PM
I didn't say we don't rent movies. I said we don't pay $60 per month for DirecTV anymore. Cable's just as bad.

Worse, IMO.

I'm currently in the limbo between cable and the move to DirecTV. Can hardly wait for the installation. Now I just have to see what my options are (not many) for my internet services to be completely free of cable's stranglehold. I'll have to keep the cable line for that, for the time being. Even so.. my services will be 1/3 less than my current cable bill, with more HD content.

McGiord
Feb 3, 2008, 06:34 PM
My MacBook with Front Row does the job, no need for extra hardware yet.
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BlakTornado
Feb 3, 2008, 08:04 PM
I would, personally, rather get a Mac Mini - probably a refurb - if I was going to get either. It's not an incredible amount different in size (twice the height, if I'm correct?) which is no problem and it plays DVDs and CDs, as well as running OS X which means I can do things like web browsing on it and basic things like that as well... including playing a few basic Mac games (They're actually pretty good).
You can also connect external devices (like Hard Drives, EyeTV, etc.) and instead of of the Apple Remote (Which doesn't work with it, I don't think), you can just use a bluetooth mouse instead, which is actually more powerful and you can do so much more with one. You don't even need a keyboard if you don't want (well, apart from installation but most people have a keyboard and if not, you could get one cheaply - it doesn't have to be a bluetooth one if you're just using it for the bare essentials).
Plus you get things like Skype on a Mini, too... imagine having a family chat to someone in your living room. The possibilities are more endless with the Mac Mini, rather than the Apple TV since you have a computer, not a gadget.
Plus, the Mini is only Ģ200 more - which isn't that bad considering you get so much more.

pondie84
Feb 3, 2008, 08:12 PM
I would, personally, rather get a Mac Mini - probably a refurb - if I was going to get either...

You can also connect external devices (like Hard Drives, EyeTV, etc.) and instead of of the Apple Remote (Which doesn't work with it, I don't think), you can just use a bluetooth mouse instead...

The Mac Mini does work with the Apple Remote in various programs, including Front Row. However, you'd still need the mouse to shut it down (I think... although please tell me if there's another way!).

infobhan
Feb 3, 2008, 08:27 PM
Apple has botched ATV in more than one way. They've tied it to iTunes, so as to be cross-platform. Sorry, but iTunes is a lousy photo app. I'd much rather see Apple restrict ATV to Mac users and allow some better photo functionality. ATV has a limited audience already, so there's little harm in further limiting it while working to get it "right."

I'm not sure I understand your point here. I just got an Apple TV and I've been impressed with how it handles photos. What exactly would you like it to do? I have it sync all my photos from Aperture and I get full access to all my albums, including smart albums. It's fantastic.

MikeL
Feb 3, 2008, 09:07 PM
I'm not sure I understand your point here. I just got an Apple TV and I've been impressed with how it handles photos. What exactly would you like it to do? I have it sync all my photos from Aperture and I get full access to all my albums, including smart albums. It's fantastic.

Try to display a photo smack dab in the middle of a 200-photo album in 30 seconds. There's no thumbnail view from which to select photos. That's so... basic.

Cave Man
Feb 3, 2008, 09:39 PM
The Mac Mini does work with the Apple Remote in various programs, including Front Row. However, you'd still need the mouse to shut it down (I think... although please tell me if there's another way!).

Who shuts their Macs down?

pondie84
Feb 3, 2008, 09:57 PM
Who shuts their Macs down?

I do. Leaving them on is a waste of electricity.

BoulderBum
Feb 3, 2008, 10:30 PM
Talk about trolling...

After macworld, i know 7 people (including myself) who went out an bought one in anticipation of rentals. Like another poster in this thread, I'm not sure you understand what the purpose of the device is

Make that 8 with me. This is my first post.

My dream is to handle video much the same way I do music now, where everything is on my network and managed by computer. I want to be able to rip videos or download them, I want to be able to get rentals online, I like the idea of taking it with me on my portable device, and I really want to be able to play it on my big screen TV vs. my computer monitor.

I already own a 1 TB MediaSmart Server, largely for storing video on my network, I'm looking at a D-Link DPG-100 or SlingCatcher to handle things like projecting computer-recorded TV to my set, and the day I heard Apple was going to have rentals from every major studio available through iTunes (in HD), I not only bought an Apple TV, but a brand new HDTV as well (partially because I had an older TV that doesn't have the proper ports).

I will say that Apple TV wasn't extremely compelling without the rental feature, though.

maceleven
Feb 3, 2008, 10:38 PM
OR SPELL !:confused:Don't feed the trolls; especially don't know what they're talking about.

Cave Man
Feb 3, 2008, 10:39 PM
I do. Leaving them on is a waste of electricity.

And what about the daily, weekly and monthly cron tasks for cleaning up the filesystem. Do they still run at some ungodly hour of the mornings?

alFR
Feb 4, 2008, 08:58 AM
And what about the daily, weekly and monthly cron tasks for cleaning up the filesystem. Do they still run at some ungodly hour of the mornings?

sudo periodic daily weekly monthly

ayale99
Feb 4, 2008, 10:11 AM
The Mac Mini does work with the Apple Remote in various programs, including Front Row. However, you'd still need the mouse to shut it down (I think... although please tell me if there's another way!).

Hold down the play button on the remote for a couple seconds. It puts your computer/AppleTV to sleep. A picture of the remote with zome Z's around it will pop up on your screen. I just discovered this the other day. Very handy.

mchalebk
Feb 4, 2008, 05:23 PM
It seems likely that the OP was a troll, but for those who might be genuinely interested in why people would buy the AppleTV, I thought I'd give my story.

When the AppleTV came out, I thought "that's nice, but why do I need it?" I didn't come up with an answer and basically forgot about it. A couple of months ago, I started thinking about the AppleTV again (can't remember what piqued my interest) and I started researching what it actually did. Once I realized what the AppleTV was capable of, I started getting interested. However, I became concerned that Apple was not committed to the device and decided to wait until MacWorld SF in January.

First, I wanted to see what changes they were going to make. For instance, if they added an optical drive. I also wanted for Apple to show a commitment to it, which seemed likely with the rumors of the iTunes rental service. When the keynote addressed rentals and a software update, along with the price drop, I placed my order just a few hours later.

Even without the Take 2 features, I wanted one. I have been using my Mac as a music server for years, but it was always a bit of a pain. My computer is upstairs and, to get sound throughout the ground floor, there were a lot of hoops to jump through. If you have a lot of music on your computer and it's not convenient to listen to in your living room, the AppleTV is great. Plus the way it uses our photos from iPhoto albums as a screen saver is great. We've gotten a great deal of enjoyment from that.

Another pre-Take 2 feature that appealed to me was the ability to sync the material so that the computer didn't have to be on (hence, the reason I got the 160 GB model). Now my wife can simply turn on the AppleTV from our Harmony remote with a single button push, then navigate to a playlist and she's got music and pics. I would rarely find her listening to music when I wasn't around because it was too many steps to get it going. She now listens regularly.

One last feature was sold me was the ability to format home videos for AppleTV and have them synced. My wife rides a horse. I took all the videos from last year's show season and put them on the AppleTV. Now she doesn't have to shuffle DVDs to watch the horse show videos.

Now as to Take 2, I'll have to wait and see. At it's current price, I don't know how many movies I'll want to rent that way. We've been NetFlix subscribers for so long that we have a no-longer-available plan (4-at-a-time at the same price as 3-at-a-time). One of the things we like to rent most is TV shows, which are not available yet for rental. I'm also not crazy about the 24 hour limit once you've started watching (we often get interrupted by a phone call and end up finishing the movie the next night). However, these issues are likely to get worked and I think the iTunes rental model is a great start.

The YouTube capability wasn't even on my radar, but I have to admit it's pretty cool. The search capability is limited, but we've watched quite a few YT videos since we got our AppleTV and neither of us were really into this before.

Personally, I think AppleTV is a very nice device in its current manifestation. There are a lot of intriguing possibilities that could make it a whole lot nicer in the future. It may not be for everyone, but I can't imagine too many people who wouldn't think it was very cool if I got a chance to show them what it does and how I use it.

robrose20
Feb 4, 2008, 05:25 PM
there is no cable that people can watch live tv, honestly do u really need it to be wireless come on u know u can just hook it up and plus you can watch on your computer. without having channels on apple tv its just a complete waste of money.

Its not for everyone my friend ... For me, I have about 500 gb of digital content on Itunes and it allows me to stream that content to my HDTV. It works really well for that.

naftalim
Feb 4, 2008, 05:52 PM
I bought the Apple TV yesterday, even though I am not sure that Apple will offer rentals here in Canada. HD rentals through my Apple TV would be amazing. If they add some Tivo like capabilities such as seasons pass for TV shows, or Suggestions, it will be great.

Last night I played some classical music that had synced to my Apple TV in my living room. I could use Airport Express to do that, which I had done initially, but watching one movie that I had in iTunes on my 42" HDTV and Surround system was worth it. I don't have speakers on my iMac in my den, and don't want to watch any video on it.

Apple TV without rentals was not going to be a major success. With rentals, it will do very well.

Suncusser
Feb 5, 2008, 01:56 PM
I have an older Panasonic DVR with a harddrive and I never watch live TV anymore except sports. Its also a DVD player and recorder. It's great to zap through all the commercials and I don't have to pay a monthly Tivo fee for programming. If the Apple TV had a DVR function and a optical drive, I'd buy one in a heartbeat but the iTunes rentals cost more than my local independent rental shop and I get 1-3 days. So why doesn't Apple add those features? Is there a patent/licensing problem?

roland.g
Feb 5, 2008, 02:00 PM
No one. Wow, cool I guess I am the only person with an Apple TV, since no one else bought one. This thing is going to be priceless someday.

CWallace
Feb 5, 2008, 10:40 PM
So why doesn't Apple add those features? Is there a patent/licensing problem?

It does not fit their current product view which is based on selling and renting pre-packaged content.

But yes, if Apple does ever decide to offer DVR functionality, they will need to acquire scheduling information (through a service like Tribune Media Services) which will cost Apple money on a monthly basis so there will likely be a subscription fee like with other consumer DVR systems like Tivo and such.

VideoFreek
Feb 5, 2008, 11:57 PM
So why doesn't Apple add those features? Is there a patent/licensing problem?I believe one factor is that the Apple TV is a global product, and as such adding DVR functionality to work with the multitude of satellite, cable and terrestrial broadcast systems in use around the world would present formidable technical challenges. To my knowledge, no one--not even Tivo--accomplishes this. On the other hand, producing localized versions of the device would greatly increase the cost and complexity for Apple.

ebony
Feb 6, 2008, 02:09 AM
I have an older Panasonic DVR with a harddrive and I never watch live TV anymore except sports. Its also a DVD player and recorder. It's great to zap through all the commercials and I don't have to pay a monthly Tivo fee for programming. If the Apple TV had a DVR function and a optical drive, I'd buy one in a heartbeat but the iTunes rentals cost more than my local independent rental shop and I get 1-3 days. So why doesn't Apple add those features? Is there a patent/licensing problem?

The reasons Apple does not add these features is because the AppleTV is an itunes media streamer. It is not a DVR / PVR, tv tuner etc.

Its like asking why doesn't my toaster, microwave meals !?

iMacZealot
Feb 6, 2008, 02:18 AM
I agree with the OP to an extent. AppleTV is a cool idea and a unique product, but I, too, would love to see it come with tuners and DVR capability. My Comcast clunker boxes made by Motorola crash several times a day, the guide is ugly, and it's just plain huge. If Apple combined the cable box with the AppleTV, I think they'd have a hit because cable boxes are cumbersome contraptions that have never fared well in my experiences, yet I still use it nonetheless because I've yet to see a solution that has Apples simplicity and is affordable.

Suncusser
Feb 6, 2008, 10:54 AM
It does not fit their current product view which is based on selling and renting pre-packaged content.

But yes, if Apple does ever decide to offer DVR functionality, they will need to acquire scheduling information (through a service like Tribune Media Services) which will cost Apple money on a monthly basis so there will likely be a subscription fee like with other consumer DVR systems like Tivo and such.

My Panasonic acquires the info from the TV guide channel- there is no cost for subscription. However, Panasonic doesn't make the HDD DVR anymore so maybe they ran afoul of something. Used Panasonic HDD DVRs cost more now than I paid for mine so there is a market for ones without subscriptions attached.

As for the toaster/microwave comparison, why does the iPhone include wi-fi when its just a phone? If I'm going to hook up a media device to a TV, why not one that handles all the functions I'd want rather than a stack of devices that use different remotes and user interfaces?