playing around with an iPod Touch. I heard a Best Buy employee telling another customer that the iTouch does not have complete internet access, that only certain web pages can be viewed. What was he talking about?
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iPod touch I was in Best Buy tonight ...
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I've never run into any site I can't access on my touch. Maybe something to do with some plug-ins? 
Yeah, you can go on any website just you can't view certain things sometimes because the iPod Touch doesn't have flash player.
i wouldn't put much stock in what some Best Buy employee tell you. there have been countless times where they have either told me the wrong info or i've heard them relaying bad info. As everyone has said, the touch can ACCESS any website; however, they cannot display flash-based website. They can play quicktime video tho.
i was in best buy checking out a touch, and a salesperson just walked right up to me and volunteered this comment: "you should get a Zune, those ipods are just for watching movies and stuff."
I kind of had to turn away for a second to hide the look on my face...
I kind of had to turn away for a second to hide the look on my face...
Lmao.
In canada where I live, I've never seen a Zune (and I live in a huge city...). The reason is that it's not marketed at ALL here. Why don't they put it up for sale here? Against any of the competition though, the iPods blow the rest away.
Just a quick question...who's responsible for adding Flash? Is it Adobe since its their product? Or Apple since its their browser? I'm just wondering if Adobe has to rewrite it for the iPhone/touch or if Apple just hasn't 'switched' it on yet. What do you guys think or does anyone actually know?
I have a habit of going over and correcting bestbuy employee's since most don't seem to know their head from a hole in the ground apparently. I remember two such cases when we were buying a new mini DV camcorder and the kid offering us the extended warranty told us if we ever got like sand in it they'd tear the whole thing apart and clean it.. man what a crock. Another is when my father went to bestbuy (first mistake) to buy an iMac for my brother and the guy told him they DO NOT come with speakers you have to buy them separately. I probably did a lil lewis black on the phone there, damn near wanted to talk to the employee.
I think people just need to be more educated really and while its true u cant go to every site with flash and video out there with the touch I wouldnt make it sound like a cell phone where its not complete internet access and only "certain" sites..
I think people just need to be more educated really and while its true u cant go to every site with flash and video out there with the touch I wouldnt make it sound like a cell phone where its not complete internet access and only "certain" sites..
For throwing at the wall to see if it will shatter into a million pieces or bounce off
Whether or not there are sites that can't be visited by the Touch I have never ran into any of them. I guarantee you the iPod Touch and the iPhone are among the best web browsing hand held devices out now. My Touch is literally five times as fast as my PSP at opening the Apple website!
well safari for ipod and touch isn't doesn't have flash but websites ought to have a dubed down (someties called text only) versions
and some larger webistes, like news sites and google have special versions just for blackberries, palms etc and some have created iphone apps
salesmen dont know what they are selling, honestly they dont. i have had salesmen of cars computer and everything tell me they are not sure about the most basic things. honestly sometimes they dont want you to know they dont know their job, so they tell you what they think is true. honestly
and some larger webistes, like news sites and google have special versions just for blackberries, palms etc and some have created iphone apps
people dont know their jobs
salesmen dont know what they are selling, honestly they dont. i have had salesmen of cars computer and everything tell me they are not sure about the most basic things. honestly sometimes they dont want you to know they dont know their job, so they tell you what they think is true. honestly
Best Buy employees are a joke. If you get any deeper than what is on the side of the box description, they're lost. I've been there several times and informed them about features of their products. Are consumers really that stupid that they listen to such drivel?
Adobe is not responsible for anybody putting up flash-based websites or flash-based sections of websites. The website developers per company/business/etc choose individually. Flash websites are developed almost exclusively with Adobe Flash Professional CS3. However, almost all of the major corporations seem to have html (along with javascript, dhtml, xhtml, etc.) websites. To me it seems that "boutique" business or companies interested in style over form (for instance they might not sell anything online just have a flash site portfolio) have the majority of flash websites. For example, many photographers will have them and many boutique clothes designers will (i.e Fendi). Some websites give you a choice between the two just in case your browser doesn't support flash. For the websites I have designed, I try and give an html alternative if the main site will be flash.
flash is slowly becoming the past. its clunky and nonfunctional. many of its interactive features can be done with ajax which works much better on lower end computers too. unfortunately mobile safari doesnt seem to have support for gif animations so cool ajax features would be lacking as well.
Will it Float? on Letterman. But to be honest, you should always to research yourself before buying something, and never trust or soley rely on the word of a salesman. But I find this situation quite odd.
Well Adobe would likely need some incentive to write for Touch/iphone, at least until the number of items in the field increases demand to the point that they can't ignore it.
The bigger problem as I see it is the hardware demand that flash puts on a device. Simply put I'm not sure these devices have enough RAM and CPU resources to do this well. Obviously this depends on how well the Mobile OS manages memory and running applications but the signs are already there that more memory would help Mobile OS.
In effect the current Touch devices are equal memory wise to my old Mac Plus. The difference is in the extra acceleration hardware that the Plus never dreamed of having. It would be interesting to see Flash written to take advantage of this hardware.
Given that I'm still not a fan of Flash. The only reason I want to see it on the Touch devices is that some web sites just require it. For the most part I avoid those sites but sometimes you just need to access them. Flash can make possible where otherwise it might be impossible.
Dave
Yea, must be talking about the flash support. Our Car Club, http://www.lincolnsofdistinction.org , just went to a flash-based site. Can't do anything on there with my iTouch.
But those are rare sites where I can't get to something.
But those are rare sites where I can't get to something.
Here's http://www.mercurious.com/wordpress/2007/08/29/iphone-and-flash/ an old article written about Apple's stance on flash.
I don't think much has changed - nor have found anything more objectively written since?
I don't think much has changed - nor have found anything more objectively written since?
Actually Big Steve already answered this. He said they took it out because it sucked up too much battery power. I thought Adobe was working on a better mobile implementation of it though.
He stated this during the iPhone rollout.
Well Steve O says lots of things as part of his dog an pony shows. The reality is that Flash cost you nothing in the way of power when visiting web sites that don't support it. The lack of flash also means that some sights won't run at all thus saving you even more power. Maybe this is what Steve O meant.
The bigger problem is that for a given power as in watts point we are getting more computing power every year. So what might be difficult for todays Touch might not be tomorrow.
All in all I think the lack of flash is as much an issue of control as it is technical.
Dave
The bigger problem is that for a given power as in watts point we are getting more computing power every year. So what might be difficult for todays Touch might not be tomorrow.
All in all I think the lack of flash is as much an issue of control as it is technical.
Dave