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MacRumors
Feb 1, 2008, 10:27 PM
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Erica Sadun over at TUAW has found evidence in the latest iPhone firmware that Apple had built in table support for to-do tasks (http://www.tuaw.com/2008/02/01/evidence-found-for-possible-upcoming-ical-task-support-on-iphone/).

CREATE TABLE Task (ROWID INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT, summary TEXT, priority INTEGER, due_date INTEGER, completion_date INTEGER, calendar_id INTEGER);

Erica notes that as of now, the support is left unused, as the firmware does not have the capability to sync or create to-dos. However, the find may indicate that Apple is planning an update to support the feature in the future.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/02/01/task-support-coming-to-iphone/)



Cronikeys
Feb 1, 2008, 10:45 PM
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I'm excited about the end to the countless GTD webapps ha ha...

Why is this feature taking so long? Aren't todo lists the "hello world" of database programming?
I hope a few new official apple native apps are on their way! iChat? Back to Mac? Wifi streaming? Voice recording/dialing?

dacreativeguy
Feb 1, 2008, 11:36 PM
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I'm excited about the end to the countless GTD webapps ha ha...

Why is this feature taking so long? Aren't todo lists the "hello world" of database programming?
I hope a few new official apple native apps are on their way! iChat? Back to Mac? Wifi streaming? Voice recording/dialing?

Apple is taking things slowly with the iphone. If they threw in memo syncing, todos, and all the other mainstay business apps on day one, Apple would be seriously compared with Palm, Blackberry and other hardcore business phones. Just like they did with the original ipod with video that wasn't really a video player, the iphone is just an ipod with a phone. I'm guessing that when the SDK comes out and Notes and Exchange support become available, Apple will add support for Notes, todos, and many other tools that business users need. Can't wait till the end of the month.

Telp
Feb 2, 2008, 12:14 AM
Apple is taking things slowly with the iphone. If they threw in memo syncing, todos, and all the other mainstay business apps on day one, Apple would be seriously compared with Palm, Blackberry and other hardcore business phones. Just like they did with the original ipod with video that wasn't really a video player, the iphone is just an ipod with a phone. I'm guessing that when the SDK comes out and Notes and Exchange support become available, Apple will add support for Notes, todos, and many other tools that business users need. Can't wait till the end of the month.

They are taking things slowly, but when they come out, they are damned sure going to make sure they work 100% like its supposed to. A little waiting very rarely hurts.

macduke
Feb 2, 2008, 12:49 AM
Well, its probably slightly more complicated. From those strings, they're tying things in with the Calendar. Perhaps they are are designing a real slick, easy interface with built in items and ways to integrate it with the operating system so pop up notices appear if things go past due. Still, probably not that complicated, but when you have things like Safari and the iPod crashing randomly, along with trying to further lock down the firmware basebands to protect their profit sharing with AT&T and others, along with providing security for the new, 3rd party apps and even putting together an easy to use SDK, I doubt this is their top priority.

My theory is these are probably hooks for the SDK so someone can make their own to-do list app. I haven't programmed anything for the iPhone, but perhaps before there weren't the same hooks into the Calendar that there were for Google Maps, etc, for 3rd party programs--or at least an easy, clean way to do it.

chr1s60
Feb 2, 2008, 01:17 AM
They are taking things slowly, but when they come out, they are damned sure going to make sure they work 100% like its supposed to. A little waiting very rarely hurts.

That is the way I prefer it. People have complained since day one about how slow Apple has put new things on the iPhone, but I don't really mind. I would much rather wait for something instead of getting it and having it suck.

robbyx
Feb 2, 2008, 01:34 AM
They are taking things slowly, but when they come out, they are damned sure going to make sure they work 100% like its supposed to. A little waiting very rarely hurts.

Yeah, but come on, task support? This is basic stuff. I'm absolutely shocked that the iPhone shipped without, and still lacks, this basic feature. The fact that my "smart phone" will not show me my to-dos for the day is absurd. I don't think any of us should be giving Apple a pass for this glaring omission.

dalvin200
Feb 2, 2008, 01:41 AM
It will be a feature of a major iPhone software update, where JObs will stand on stage giving a presentation about how cool syncing To-Do's etc.. are..

I mean, yeah, I am amazed that this feature is not even in and really miss it from all my other "smart phones" i had previously.

Come on Apple, forget the jiggle icons and work on useful functionality!!! :D

QuarterSwede
Feb 2, 2008, 01:42 AM
I don't think any of us should be giving Apple a pass for this glaring omission.
Especially since they included it in Mail and iCal for Leopard. Hello Apple, who dropped the ball?

macduke
Feb 2, 2008, 03:01 AM
My favorite to-do list work around so far is Google. I input everything I have to do each day into my Google Calendar. Then I have it set up to email me my itinerary for the day. It is sitting in my inbox every morning (or at least it should be...I suffer from a bug where my iPhone doesn't automatically check for email on some days?). Anyway...I just wish I could check it off as I go. I added a little webapp the other day called noter which does this...but I wish it could import info from the web. I hope that the Apple version...if there is one...or whatever comes out will allow syncing with Google Calendar so I don't have to type them all on my iPhone every day.

The most exciting part of the SDK for me is the apps Google will make for it. You know they will make a better Calendar, Gmail app, along with RSS feeders and Docs. Maybe even their own finder like Google desktop search or whatever its called.

tadunne
Feb 2, 2008, 04:04 AM
Apple is taking things slowly with the iphone. If they threw in memo syncing, todos, and all the other mainstay business apps on day one, Apple would be seriously compared with Palm, Blackberry and other hardcore business phones. Just like they did with the original ipod with video that wasn't really a video player, the iphone is just an ipod with a phone. I'm guessing that when the SDK comes out and Notes and Exchange support become available, Apple will add support for Notes, todos, and many other tools that business users need. Can't wait till the end of the month.

I'm guessing they will release a Business package (as a separate paid for download?) for the iphone that give the mail and calendar app exchange support/caldev and the calendar needs to have the ability to schedule meetings etc..
It would be cool to have a cut down iwork so some basic editing of documents can happen?

I hope by the time the 3G phone come out they greatly enhance the phone side of things with bluetooth file sharing, mms etc..

pogwilson@ntlwo
Feb 2, 2008, 04:58 AM
1. add To Do support to the iPhone
2. add notes syncing to the iPhone
3. add cut and paste to the iPhone

See how useful simple to do lists can be ;)

andyone
Feb 2, 2008, 06:22 AM
Are you kidding? The iPhone does not support ToDos? This is ridiculous. EVERY phone that ever came out in the last 3 years supports that.

mainstreetmark
Feb 2, 2008, 06:44 AM
Are you kidding? The iPhone does not support ToDos? This is ridiculous. EVERY phone that ever came out in the last 3 years supports that.

Really? I've owned several phones in the last 3 years, and have yet to see ToDo lists. This claim seems a bit sensational.

Besides, wait a month. The SDK release will produce a dozen ToDoers in the first week.

mixel
Feb 2, 2008, 07:05 AM
Really? I've owned several phones in the last 3 years, and have yet to see ToDo lists. This claim seems a bit sensational.
Both my Sony Ericssons, even older than 3 years.. And two Nokias have todos out of the box.. Certainly also everything running Palmos or Symbian (or Windows Mobile!) does have it, or could easily have it added if they somehow forgot to include it to begin with.

It does seem a pretty bizarre omission, as phones are one of the best places to put them! :confused:

andyone
Feb 2, 2008, 07:26 AM
Correction, I meant every smart phone. For example the SE K700. It came out 2004, cost about 29 with my 5 plan, and works better with the OS X calendar than the iPhone which is 10 times as expensive...

NicP
Feb 2, 2008, 07:51 AM
Really? I've owned several phones in the last 3 years, and have yet to see ToDo lists. This claim seems a bit sensational.

Besides, wait a month. The SDK release will produce a dozen ToDoers in the first week.

My nokia 6230i does, as do the 2 sony ericsson phones i owned before it. These aren't even "smart" phones!

moatas
Feb 2, 2008, 08:49 AM
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I really miss this feature as well. I do use "remember the milk" at times, but mostly just use the notes feature maintininf a task per line and deleting the line when I am done. Simplistic, but works for now.

Buschmaster
Feb 2, 2008, 09:54 AM
I get by with just notes... If I'm running to Target I just make a list in my Notes and when I get something I delete it.

How's that for a 3rd party app?;)

What would be the big advantage of a to-do list? Being able to put checks beside them?

ifonline
Feb 2, 2008, 12:06 PM
I get by with just notes... If I'm running to Target I just make a list in my Notes and when I get something I delete it.

How's that for a 3rd party app?;)

What would be the big advantage of a to-do list? Being able to put checks beside them?

The convenience of saved lists, like grocery lists, where you go to market, check off your items, and when done, reset the list so you can do it again in a week. Organization, especially with indented lists, is also a nice plus to a proper todo app.

ucfgrad93
Feb 2, 2008, 02:30 PM
I hope this is true. I rely heavily on task lists etc. Also, I wish iCal had an option for repeating tasks.

Eraserhead
Feb 2, 2008, 02:40 PM
Really? I've owned several phones in the last 3 years, and have yet to see ToDo lists. This claim seems a bit sensational.

Even my Nokia 6230i does To Do's. That is my most wanted iPod Touch feature.

elmo151
Feb 2, 2008, 03:48 PM
the SDK for iPhone is released (or nearly so) and new apps will flow like widgets. ToDo apps are an obvious early product.(free or for $$)

Flail
Feb 2, 2008, 05:36 PM
I have been thinking it would be exciting if there was the option of linking to-do's with Google Maps. That way you could make more of an itinerary. For instance, a map of, in my case, Sarasota pops up and I see flags that show that I need to start across town at Sam's and get blah-de-blah, move on to Target for this-and-that, swing by Dark Side for reading material and finally stop at Borders for coffee and DVDs. This would help with my foggy garbage dump of a memory, especially if I could just swipe an item and it would disappear from my list, leaving stuff for that location that I need to get next time I'm there.

If I had any ability to program, I'd make it. Then I'd just have to get the darn iPhone to use it on :(.

Diatribe
Feb 2, 2008, 06:48 PM
1. add To Do support to the iPhone
2. add notes syncing to the iPhone
3. add cut and paste to the iPhone

See how useful simple to do lists can be ;)

Yeah, that's what I want to see too.

Dictionary and the conversion widget wouldn't hurt either though.

mainstreetmark
Feb 3, 2008, 11:05 AM
Yeah, that's what I want to see too.

Dictionary and the conversion widget wouldn't hurt either though.

I can almost PROMISE you there'll be a Conversion widget, since many of the ObjC books walk you through the creation of a Conversion widget.

Diatribe
Feb 3, 2008, 11:15 AM
I can almost PROMISE you there'll be a Conversion widget, since many of the ObjC books walk you through the creation of a Conversion widget.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I am really looking forward to the SDK, seems like there'll be a lot of nice things coming.

vrillusions
Feb 3, 2008, 08:17 PM
The way I did todo lists on my Palm was just using the notes. The key thing was that it had categories and I could order things around as I needed. So I would have a @errands category that had a list of stuff I need to get. I could then just list notes in that category. I could then take all the notes for the category and reorganize them so I could move something around or even assign a note to a new category. And since the first line of the note shows up in the category view I used that as the "todo" if I needed to go into more detail about it I would put that in the note. It worked great and I even had carried the palm around with me for a few weeks after the iphone so I could still use it. Nowadays I use the "contact hack" where I have a notes category with @home, @errands, etc and for the text I list each thing I need. Not as easy to read as it was on the palm but it works.

jacyntho
Feb 4, 2008, 10:19 AM
I have a dot mac account
In my iPhone (Orange, France, ver. 1.1.3) there is a new mailbox: Apple Mail To Do, that doesn't appear neither in my mac (Mail) nor in Dot Mac Mail.
What do you think about it?

tadunne
Feb 4, 2008, 10:25 AM
I have a dot mac account
In my iPhone (Orange, France, ver. 1.1.3) there is a new mailbox: Apple Mail To Do, that doesn't appear neither in my mac (Mail) nor in Dot Mac Mail.
What do you think about it?

Not much :)

Apple ToDo and notes store their data in mailbox folders they are just custom email types. They just get copied to .mac's imap folder structure.

Mail.app on the mac knows that it needs to do to turn the data in those folders back into to do's and notes..

j-a-x
Feb 4, 2008, 12:10 PM
I knew Apple hadn't forgotten about this. I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the month when the SDK is released, right?

twoodcc
Feb 4, 2008, 01:52 PM
i hope they use this in the future. to-dos help keep me organized better

Squonk
Feb 4, 2008, 03:02 PM
I very much look forward to this coming soon! I finally got my iPhone 1.5 weeks ago and I'm loving it!!

HyperZboy
Feb 6, 2008, 05:36 AM
Yes, some of these iPhone criticisms are valid, but seriously, if you need to take your Blackberry with you and make To Do lists just to get some basic grocery shopping done, you either have too much time on your hands or need a girlfriend!
That is like the epitomy of DORK! The iPhone isn't the smartphone for you.
It's the smartphone for the REST of us and Notes works just fine for me. I don't need to hear bells and whistles every time I check off an item. I'd much rather be listening to music and occasionally check my notes just to see if I've missed something.

And by the way, the grocery store is the best place to meet someone I've read, but I'm pretty sure that a Blackberry & a To Do list isn't going to turn heads in a positive way unless you're shopping in Silicon Valley! :eek:

Sure, Windows Mobile probably does this, but why aren't they selling as well if it's so "KEWL" and easy to use?! Why doesn't everybody want this enough to buy them like crazy?

I rest my case.

Flail
Feb 8, 2008, 07:32 PM
Yes, some of these iPhone criticisms are valid, but seriously, if you need to take your Blackberry with you and make To Do lists just to get some basic grocery shopping done, you either have too much time on your hands or need a girlfriend!
That is like the epitomy of DORK! The iPhone isn't the smartphone for you.
It's the smartphone for the REST of us and Notes works just fine for me.

First of all, I'll have you know that my girlfriend is the one telling me what to go get at the grocery store.

As far as my example using grocery lists and the like, it was just that: an example. As far as a business application, one could bring up a map showing that they need to pick up the boss's laundry uptown at 2:00, swing past the print shop for the 50 copies of the big presentation by 2:45, meet the sales rep at the airport at 4:15 and make the office dinner party at 7:00 downtown.

And I've been the epitome of dork since long before iPhones and Blackberrys. Besides, what could be more "the REST of us" than a few shopping lists?