Apple Moving Ahead Of the Windows?

[smogsy]

we all know apples growing pretty fast with a lot of converters moving in,

i think personally to apple ahead faster or even catch up with windows in the market share.. apple needs to allow for gamers, in this respect i mean be as good as windows at playing games natively (i know you can boot camp but thats not the point)

so basically my question is when do you think apple wll get its gaming self come to scratch of say XP/PC??

With EA/ID software on board it has started moving slowly, But there not Gamers Games as in (Crysis,Call of duty 4 etc)

also apple would also need to allow better graphic card options, Such as 8800GTX and so on.

Maybe a Gaming Line With These options?

post your thoughts i know someone will flame...

[Pressure]

I think you need to do a bit more research to find out what games are the most played.

Games cover a wide spectrum and Crysis, Call of Duty 4 etc. are part of a small market.

Casual gamers by far outnumber those who play Crysis etc.

And quite frankly I do not see the purpose of Apple supporting a different operating system so the minority gamers can get their fix. If it on the other hand meant that we would get an increased number of games available for Mac OS X that aren't crippled, ported pieces of manure then I am all for that.

But the current selection of graphic cards are really not that bad.

[ceiph]

this doesnt have to happen at all, i used to be a huge pc gamer, the advance in console gaming is what allowed me to buy a mac. i dont want to start a pc vs console war, but for the most part general people are fine using a mac and an xbox 360, :)

[smogsy]

casual gamers dont count, due to most of there games are on the mac already

WoW,sims,tigerwoodsrollercoaster tycoon,simcity are all casual games.....


i know what games are the most played Your looking at CSS,COD4,C&C3(millions of gamers on these to games alone)

im not suggesting apple create a new os just to optimize there current Opengl as best they can

the only Gaming Card Apple Offers is 8800GT 2600XT is worthless in FPS Games when i meant a new line i mean for example modfifed line

For Example

Mac Pro
8800GTX
and as new Major cards are out a update to support them (such as 7900GTX,8800GTX,9800GTX) thats only a 6-12 month thing

[heatmiser]

Never going to happen. Look at the stuff they sell; the focus is on consumer gadgets. That's where they make the bulk of their dough--hip, cool, whiz stuff that propels an image [justified or not] of quality, sophistication, etc. You don't get that from games. Alienware's client base is completely different from Apple's, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[smogsy]

you mean dell client base a alienware is now dell :P

[Umbongo]

Maybe some years after Steve Jobs retires if PC gaming is still prevalent.

[lamerlizer]

won't be happy if it happens

[-Noodles]

Never going to happen. Look at the stuff they sell; the focus is on consumer gadgets. That's where they make the bulk of their dough--hip, cool, whiz stuff that propels an image [justified or not] of quality, sophistication, etc. You don't get that from games. Alienware's client base is completely different from Apple's, and there's nothing wrong with that.

If apple intends on attracting youngsters and keeping them for life they need to attack on all three fronts of the youth market - movies, music, and ahem* games. I realize in the short term this sounds like a sort of a pipe dream but long term this is as fundamental as music or movies. After all games are the leading type of software sold on the pc (second is anti-virus software, no surprise). Unfortunately Microsoft's development of the xbox has helped to fortify their position as a platform. But hopefully, (crosses fingers) leave it to apple to come up with something revolutionary.

[northy124]

I'm saying 6 Months as i've seen EA get on the Apple band wagon with a few games and there are alot of PC games ported over.

I used to be a strong PC gamer but when the PS3 got released (Brought it mainly for Blu-Ray which Mac hasn't got) i bought it and now have 40 games which i play at least 3 1 hours segments on 3 games and find it better than on PC.

But if Mac does catch up in 6 months (Which i think it will) i'll go desktop and console best of both worlds.

My just 2¢

Northy124

[Hankster]

Gamers want the best machines for the least amount of money, Apple isn't that. PCs will always be cheaper and can be custom built for games.

[Virgil-TB2]

To answer your poll question precisely ...

I think Apple will probably catch the edge of it's sleeve on the Gaming market, or perhaps it's tie if it leans in too close.

;)

[CalBoy]

OP what country are you from?

Just a side question, but now to answer the central premise of the thread:

Gaming is, and will always be, a very niche market on computers. Most people who like to play games will buy a Wii or an XBox, or a PS3 (and their future replacements). Consoles deliver better interfaces and can support a wider variety of games without much trouble.

Gaming on computers requires a constant upgrade of hardware and that is contrary to Apple's core philosophy. Apple would have you buy a computer, use it for a few years, and then replace it with a new computer. It appears to be a successful business model as Mac sales are growing faster than PC sales (and have been for a while now).

The critical thing to remember is that Apple can only offer a limited array of products (only with the macbook air does Apple now have 3 notebook models and 3 desktop models; just a few years ago it was only 2 notebooks and 2 desktops).

In order to be profitable, Apple (and pretty much any company in the world) needs to know it's market and attract that particular market. Apple knows that gaming is at best a weak market, a market that needs more 3rd party upgrades, and a market that has traditionally shunned Macs.

So, why would Apple pursue the gaming market?

[ucfgrad93]

Apple just doesn't place the same emphasis on gaming that Microsoft does.

[smogsy]

i'm from england, just got my first mac last week and well. i love it, i ill be getting a Mac Pro Next Year (i2nd mac and 6th computer in this house)

i used to be a big gamer I've actually given them up for mac, but i just wondered in the future if it will catch up with the gaming market so i can have best of both worlds natively.. i don't see the point in buying a mac to run windows 100% of the time thats just dumb,

hopefully will get GOOD games natively with good gpus.

as above as for consoles there no where near as good as pc in fps market heck they have auto aim...

i did play games professionally, for quite a while it be great to show up with my Mac Pro at the next big lan and kick there bum as usual

[gazfocus]

i'm from england, just got my first mac last week and well. i love it, i ill be getting a Mac Pro Next Year (i2nd mac and 6th computer in this house)

i used to be a big gamer I've actually given them up for mac, but i just wondered in the future if it will catch up with the gaming market so i can have best of both worlds natively.. i don't see the point in buying a mac to run windows 100% of the time thats just dumb,

hopefully will get GOOD games natively with good gpus.

as above as for consoles there no where near as good as pc in fps market heck they have auto aim...

i did play games professionally, for quite a while it be great to show up with my Mac Pro at the next big lan and kick there bum as usual

I'm kind of in the same position. I am looking to buy a Mac Pro between now and the summer and it will replace my self built powerhouse PC. My idea however, is to buy my Mac Pro with either a Dell monitor (which has 2 inputs) or an ACD (and use a KVM switch). I will then use my Mac Pro as my main computer and my PC for games.

[northy124]

I'm kind of in the same position. I am looking to buy a Mac Pro between now and the summer and it will replace my self built powerhouse PC. My idea however, is to buy my Mac Pro with either a Dell monitor (which has 2 inputs) or an ACD (and use a KVM switch). I will then use my Mac Pro as my main computer and my PC for games.

Get a Dell with HDCP it also cheaper than ACD without HDCP (Well for me it is)

[smogsy]

i dont like dell mointors at all most of them arent to great LG Samsung ftw

Samsung new 26inch is great 10000:1 constrat ratio

[kabunaru]

Why do so many people think Mac won't someday be popular for games?
I think more games will come to Mac sooner or later and the Mac will rival the PC someday (in games).

[snickelfritz]

Apple doesn't compete directly with Microsoft; they compete against Dell and other PC manufacturers that sell systems directly to consumers.
Microsoft does not produce a "PC" per se.
ie: You cannot go to Best Buy and purchase a "Microsoft" computer system.

Microsoft is a software company.
Apple is a computer company.

[northy124]

Actually Stone Computers Is Owned By M$ So They Are Technically a PC Maker

[miniConvert]

I voted Never. I don't see games as where it's at for Apple. Things like WoW, sure, and damn WoW runs well on Macs, but not your high end stuff.

[snickelfritz]

Microsoft market share is based the composite sales of ALL PCs running Windows.
Apple has already surpassed the Stone Computer company market share.

[Eraserhead]

Why do so many people think Mac won't someday be popular for games?
I think more games will come to Mac sooner or later and the Mac will rival the PC someday (in games).

Frankly very few people game on the PC now to be honest, Crysis only sold 60 thousand copies on the PC, whereas Call of Duty 4 sold 1 million copies on the XBox alone.

[clevin]

I still think PC game is the way to go, it offers more controls for complicated games.

[smogsy]

you cant compare crysis to call of duty... thats idiotic.


compare call of duty xbox sales to call of duty pc sales

Call of Duty 4 Tops 7 Million Units Worldwide, Labeled Best Selling Game of 2007

only 3.04 million on xbox and few hundred thousand on ps3 so lot of pc users!


xbox/ps3/wii also have autoaim so realistically its not a game its like cheating on a exam paper....

[heatmiser]

compare call of duty xbox sales to call of duty pc sales


Sure you can. Unless you're arguing on a computer forum, a game's a game. People choose to game on consoles and not on computers because it's easier, cheaper, and arguably more fun. I know I'd buy a 360 if I wanted to play COD, or any other modern game. Why? Because it would be cheaper than buying/building a desktop to play said game, and the 360 would play up-to-date games at full framerates with zero complications for several years longer than an equivalent PC would. This is a no-brainer for most folks.

[Eraserhead]

compare call of duty xbox sales to call of duty pc sales

Fine but you're confusing the worldwide 7 million and the 3.04 million XBox sales which is only in North America. In fact the PC version only sold 383000 copies in North America. Meaning that the XBox version sold nearly 8x more copies than the PC version. (source (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50951))

[Tallest Skil]

its not a game its like cheating on a exam paper....

Tanj in torment is wrong with you? How abysmally stupid can you get?

To be on topic, Apple'll stay out of gaming for quite some time. Who knows, though... come 2012 we could see it be Xbox 720/PS4/Uss/Pippin 2! :D:rolleyes:

[smogsy]

the 360 would play up-to-date games at full framerates.

not entirely true, most consoles only display 30fps depending on the game

ATM Virtual Fighter 4 is the only 60FPS console game so far..

and 60 isnt full framerates ;)

[Badandy]

you cant compare crysis to call of duty... thats idiotic.


No, you are for comparing a North American sales figure to a worldwide sales figure.



xbox/ps3/wii also have autoaim so realistically its not a game its like cheating on a exam paper....

It doesn't need to have that much auto-aim. Besides, if everyone has a little, it's still a level playing field. Sure, newbies might be a bit better at it than they would be otherwise, but the great players will still have outstanding statistics. Get off your PC gaming high horse. Xbox Live is the real deal.

[smogsy]

ive played on all console and have ps3/xbox/wii

xbox is now reboxed up and ready to sell/takeback
ps3 is ok but will be gone shortly

WII now theres a gaming console that does something, it may have auto aim on some games but most is free aiming.

[stainlessliquid]

It will never happen. Its impossible in OS X's current form. Drivers are almost as bad as the generic catch-all VGA driver that comes with Windows when you first install it, its OpenGL sucks, and directX has a monopoly on game engines. Youre left with a computer that has drivers that were made 6 months before the game came out, no directx so it has to be ported to opengl, and then you have to use the opengl port on a system that sucks at opengl. Its a no win situation.

When was the last time you went to nvidia.com to download the latest optimized driver for a new game? Drivers have a major impact on performance, which explains why so many mac vs PC gaming benchmarks show the PC at pretty much twice the performance with the same hardware. Apple would have to get rid of the slow performing generic kext that gets updated once a year and come out with highly optimized drivers that come out multiple times a month.

Pretty much the entire system would have to be overhauled if it wants to compete with PC gaming.

[Freyqq]

#1 video drivers are better written for gaming in windows
#2 less market share means that gaming companies have little incentive to concentrate on macs
#3 lack of good hardware and videocards poses a huge issue
#4 lack of a midrange tower mac for a decent price..

[m1stake]

Apple's business is trendy, hip hardware. Apple's business is making everything simple for the average person. Apple's business is not rolling out new hardware every time a new video card comes out, and making the computer you just bought feel prematurely old.

[kwfl]

they will be missing the point of computers if they go towards gaming.

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

I understand the "Never" responses because that's probably true, but why say "This shouldn't happen"? "Dude, you can't game on a mac" is the only argument Windows fans have against macs, and they know it. Despite not actually caring about most PC games, my friends still razzed on me for not being able to play them on my mac in college. Don't say something like "if you want to play games, buy a console" because they are expensive and some games are much better on pc. Despite not having an Intel mac right now, I dream of a day when I wouldn't need Windows on my mac at all just to play games that I would play if I had an Intel mac.

[Jebaloo]

Do you mean, 'when will Apple catch up...?

I would imagine that it's not their intention to catch up. If they really wanted to, they'd be making it one hell of a lot more obvious.

new controllers with the apple tv, apple tv games wii style etc...

They're not even trying at the moment as far as I can tell.