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chp5592
Feb 6, 2008, 01:46 PM
I must say that my standard Macbook Air preety much has the fan going full bore if I am running just Safari (with a Java window open) and MS excel 2004. That is 6200 rpm per iSTAT pro widget. I did not think this would be the case, but after two days of productivity, normal use, that fan is on at max almost 90% of the time. CPU temperature seems almost always above 135 degree F. Yes, the computer is on a flat surface and vent is NOT blocked.

I am wondering if this is normal use situation or if I have a bum Air?

Also, I am noticing the hard drive clicking sounds, which I didn't know still happened with modern hard drives....

I was expecting a quiet experience, but it is not the case at this point. My Air is moving too much Air.



netdog
Feb 6, 2008, 01:48 PM
Flash-based crap could do it.

chp5592
Feb 6, 2008, 02:05 PM
Flash-based crap could do it.

I doubt it. I think most of the heat comes from the processor.... Hard drive temp never goes above 90 degrees F

MazingerZ
Feb 6, 2008, 02:06 PM
I doubt it. I think most of the heat comes from the processor.... Hard drive temp never goes above 90 degrees F

How long have you had your unit? Spotlight indexing?

chp5592
Feb 6, 2008, 02:30 PM
How long have you had your unit? Spotlight indexing?

I don't think so. I have been using since Friday last week. (I had preordered). It doesn't show up as processes. Is there an easy way to check if initial indexing is done?

ahaxton
Feb 6, 2008, 04:06 PM
It no longer happens here. I've been using it three days now.
I've run down my battery to 0% a couple times then recharged it till it said battery finishing charge then I unplugged the power adapter and plugged it back in then rebooted. Nothing over 2500 rpm's anymore not even with my external hd connected.

netdog
Feb 6, 2008, 04:08 PM
I doubt it. I think most of the heat comes from the processor.... Hard drive temp never goes above 90 degrees F

Flash-based craplets pound on the processor.

Shannighan
Feb 6, 2008, 06:02 PM
no wonder why they call it air, it needs to move a lot of it to work!

NAG
Feb 6, 2008, 06:14 PM
Just double checking, have you restarted the machine recently? That can sometimes help.

mquattrone
Feb 6, 2008, 08:00 PM
I'm having the same problem. I picked up my MacBook Air (1.8, SSD) on Monday. So far I have only installed Office 2008 and iSTAT. After a restart and only launching Safari, iSTAT shows that my fan is running at 6200 RPM almost 100% of the time.

Michael

camarobh
Feb 6, 2008, 08:06 PM
My 1.8 SSD fan is running about 2500 RPM while surfing the net, email, etc.

dthree36
Feb 6, 2008, 08:10 PM
I have had my Macbook Air 1.8 SSD for two days now and my fan is constantly cranking. It is a constant go for me. I have been downloading my exchange mail so that could be a reason but I hope it quiets down eventually. This could get annoying.

mcvaughan
Feb 6, 2008, 08:12 PM
There is minimal fan noise with general use. So far, the only time I've seen it spin up to full 6200 RPMs is when I imported 5000+ pictures into iPhoto. The temp at one point reached 181F, but I'm used to the heat with my SR MBP. :)

The Air is turning out to be one awesome little Mac. My wife's now eyeing mine. :eek:

ddd269
Feb 6, 2008, 08:20 PM
Flash-based craplets pound on the processor.

But he's got the 1.6 80gb hard drive.

diabolic
Feb 6, 2008, 08:59 PM
I finally got my fans to crank up to 6200 RPM. I was expecting it to be loud. It's not. I am in a completely silent room right now, and it's far, far from annoying. Guess I am used to hearing my G5 fire up like a jet engine.

taphil
Feb 6, 2008, 09:48 PM
But he's got the 1.6 80gb hard drive.
Flash as in Adobe Flash and all those animated videos and ads that are everywhere on the web.

chp5592
Feb 6, 2008, 10:38 PM
Just double checking, have you restarted the machine recently? That can sometimes help.

That seems to have helped! Interesting that Safari threads have gone from 30's to less than 10. Is it possible that safari processes "hang on" even if you quit and restart (and clears when you restart?)

I'll post updates later on my fan/noise situation.

chp5592
Feb 6, 2008, 10:51 PM
Also another thought. When the fans were going gangbusters, I was connected to the charger (I usually do when I am sitting at my work desk). But at home now, sitting on my sofa, I am on battery.

Perhaps this makes a difference if OSX decides to go full performance (unnecessarily perhaps) when it is connected to power while when on battery the CPU goes in to better power saving states (thus cooler).

I suggest those who have constant fan on problem to try the reboot as suggested and also try running off the battery.

rost12
Feb 6, 2008, 11:05 PM
Just picked up my MBA today (1.8, SSD). Right after I first started it, fans were noticeably loud. As per iStat widget, they've been running at 6200 RPM the whole time.

Right now I'm on battery power with no applications other than Safari running... it's been on for 4 hours now, so I doubt it's indexing for Spotlight. And the fans are working on full blast.

I sincerely hope this isn't the way it's supposed to be, given other people's comments about how quiet MBA's are...

Giving it till tomorrow noon, then back to the apple store I go :(

loghyr
Feb 7, 2008, 03:02 PM
I've moved my old Shuttle SS51G (domain server) to another room.

I've shut off my AMD 64 gaming rig (really quiet for a AMD 64).

All I have on is a Mac Mini, a Sun Ray 1G (fanless thin client), and my MacBook Air. Every time I start to notice noise, I realize that the furnace has kicked in or the ceiling fan is too loud.

Heh, I turned off the ceiling fan and I heard the furnace kick on.

I can't hear my MacBook Air over that sound. I can hear a bird outside...

pjmurphy77
Feb 7, 2008, 03:11 PM
I know its not an excuse, but Apple typically will release SW updates addressing fan, battery issues. I remember seeing these within a month or so of getting a new machine...

I've moved my old Shuttle SS51G (domain server) to another room.

I've shut off my AMD 64 gaming rig (really quiet for a AMD 64).

All I have on is a Mac Mini, a Sun Ray 1G (fanless thin client), and my MacBook Air. Every time I start to notice noise, I realize that the furnace has kicked in or the ceiling fan is too loud.

Heh, I turned off the ceiling fan and I heard the furnace kick on.

I can't hear my MacBook Air over that sound. I can hear a bird outside...

loghyr
Feb 7, 2008, 03:13 PM
I know its not an excuse, but Apple typically will release SW updates addressing fan, battery issues. I remember seeing these within a month or so of getting a new machine...

I was trying to say that my Air, with the HD, is quiet. So quiet that other noises are driving me crazy.

kyleen66
Feb 7, 2008, 03:17 PM
I have a hearing impairment, so I'm probably not the best to comment.

Still, I've been in the quiet house and have heard NOTHING.

I do not have that widget installed to check though.

MacRumorUser
Feb 7, 2008, 03:28 PM
1.6 here and I have yet to hear any noise whatsoever fan wise. :o

It is certainly cooler on the lap than either the macbook or macbook pro too.

Cybergypsy
Feb 7, 2008, 03:31 PM
Mine did what you are experiencing, I did a reset and it been no noise ever since....

chp5592
Feb 7, 2008, 03:34 PM
1.6 here and I have yet to hear any noise whatsoever fan wise. :o

It is certainly cooler on the lap than either the macbook or macbook pro too.

What are you running? I have noticed now that a single office app and safari/firefox plus a streaming JAVA window (i.e. ameritrade stock streamer) will definitely kick the fan in to maximum. Turn off the JAVA window and the fan slows down (as does the cpu load).

I have noticed time in and again that JAVA is just horrible on OS X. The Java windows/apps are slower on OS X than on my five year old Windows XP laptop. A great example is trying to resize an Ameritrade streamer JAVA window. It is instantly responsive on Windows, slow on my iMAC core 2 and its truly like molasses on my Air.

If you are stock trader (I am not) who depend on these windows, Air is not the right platform for you. The terrible JAVA performance on my Air is making me consider returning the Air and swallowing the restocking fee....

netdog
Feb 7, 2008, 03:37 PM
Isn't there a new version of Java for OS X on the way?

dthree36
Feb 9, 2008, 08:39 PM
Well, I spoke with Apple Care and got with level 2 hardware support and their recommendation is that I take the laptop back and get an exchange. I would take this as a "no this is a normal thing" I have an appointment tomorrow with the Genius Bar to finalize this problem.

NC MacGuy
Feb 9, 2008, 08:56 PM
Well, I spoke with Apple Care and got with level 2 hardware support and their recommendation is that I take the laptop back and get an exchange. I would take this as a "no this is a normal thing" I have an appointment tomorrow with the Genius Bar to finalize this problem.

Sorry to hear it. This is absolutely not normal. I've been running mine in many different ways over the past week and my fan rarely kicks up that high and certainly not consistently for days. Hope your next one is a gem!

ahaxton
Feb 9, 2008, 09:01 PM
I just started getting the heat and fan problem real bad. Going to see if it goes away. I'd hate to have to replace it.

toomuchmac
Feb 9, 2008, 09:38 PM
I had mine kick in once where it was loud. This thread just made me install iStat, so I'm not sure what rpm it was at then.

I was running log me in back to my office iMac and was xfering a 156MB video file over skype to the separate skype acct on my MBA.

Other than that typical mail, web, office type stuff has been cool and nothing too big. Running at 2500 now and it's quiet as a mouse.

ExcelonGT
Feb 9, 2008, 10:57 PM
Mine did what you are experiencing, I did a reset and it been no noise ever since....

what is this reset that you speak of?

compuguy1088
Feb 9, 2008, 11:34 PM
Flash-based craplets pound on the processor.

It is especially bad on PPC. Flash video squeeks by on a 1 Ghz Dual G4 PM.

Cybergypsy
Feb 10, 2008, 08:10 AM
Follow this (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303319)and now have no noise at all :) running at 2469 and cold

ahaxton
Feb 10, 2008, 09:01 AM
After doing a SMU reset don't use the power adapter either. Helped me stabilize things yesterday.

kamranwpi
Feb 10, 2008, 11:51 AM
I agree, Fan speed bothers me alot too, I have just made the switch from Vaio TXN27N running Win XP.. and MBA is great, but here are my issues with the fan..

I agree that whenever I have the power cord connected, the fan runs crazy 6200 rpm in iStat.. constantly.

second issue I have noticed that when I installed Parallels, fan goes crazy..

Now, for past hour or so on the battery, and fan is not running higher than 2500 rpm

dbater
Feb 10, 2008, 12:34 PM
Flash-based crap could do it.

What information do you have to back your claim?

duffyanneal
Feb 10, 2008, 01:04 PM
What information do you have to back your claim?

I think he was referring to Adobe Flash and not the SSD. I agree completely that Flash is causing some of the fan problems people are seeing. Flash causes high CPU utilization which means more heat and unfortunately the fan has to run. It doesn't explain all of the problems here since it seems that some people's fans run full speed all of the time. That isn't normal. I'm beginning to think that we have some machines that have a poor application of heat sink compound. A problem which we have all seen pictures of on all of the Apple portables the past couple of years. That would explain the CPU temp spikes and core shutdowns. I believe the CPU fan speed is directly controlled by the heatsink temp diode not the CPU temp. If there is poor contact between the CPU and heatsink the CPU can actually overheat while the heatsink remains substantially cooler. This causes the fan to not ramp up fast enough in the beginning of high CPU usage, and even at full tilt the fan is unable to cool the CPU properly resulting in a core shutting down.

dthree36
Feb 10, 2008, 01:41 PM
I tried the SMU reset but it didn't do anything for me. At my genius bar visit, the Genius booted into safe mode and the fan was still cranking away. Other than my fan, the laptop is great so I am keeping it until they receive their next shipment at the store. When they get the next shipment, I will make a swap for a working model. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with the replacement.

duffyanneal
Feb 10, 2008, 01:43 PM
I tried the SMU reset but it didn't do anything for me. At my genius bar visit, the Genius booted into safe mode and the fan was still cranking away. Other than my fan, the laptop is great so I am keeping it until they receive their next shipment at the store. When they get the next shipment, I will make a swap for a working model. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with the replacement.

Good luck with the replacement. I know if one of the temp sensors is disconnected on the MB the fan will run constantly.

kamranwpi
Feb 10, 2008, 02:23 PM
I think fan just keeps on running whenever it's plugged in... mine is running constantly

ahaxton
Feb 10, 2008, 03:18 PM
Shut down MBA, unplug adapter, do SMU reset, turn MBA back on. You should not have any video stuttering and overheating issues as long as your MBA is on a smooth surface of course.

Cybergypsy
Feb 10, 2008, 03:50 PM
Yep worked for me.....has been great for 3 days :)

Catch
Feb 11, 2008, 10:07 AM
Yep worked for me.....has been great for 3 days :)

How long did your fans run at high speed? I have that same problem and the fans are running at 6200 all the time. Is the machine indexing the first day or so? Not sure what to do as the machine is absolutely perfect apart from the fan running. 6200rpm at 40c, which seems excessive...

C

Cybergypsy
Feb 11, 2008, 10:11 AM
How long did your fans run at high speed? I have that same problem and the fans are running at 6200 all the time. Is the machine indexing the first day or so? Not sure what to do as the machine is absolutely perfect apart from the fan running. 6200rpm at 40c, which seems excessive...

C Mine did it for 24 hours then called apple did the reset and all is well :)

kamranwpi
Feb 11, 2008, 11:07 PM
Just returned mine.. had enough of this noise..

Apple did really crapy job on this.. Vaio TZ is amazing

ahaxton
Feb 11, 2008, 11:11 PM
Just returned mine.. had enough of this noise..

Apple did really crapy job on this.. Vaio TZ is amazing


HAHA!!!!

MayaTlab
Feb 11, 2008, 11:15 PM
ust returned mine.. had enough of this noise..

Apple did really crapy job on this.. Vaio TZ is amazing

Please don't generalize this way. My current MBA is dead silent except when running Flash on Safari.

I still think the TZ is an outstanding piece of engeneering though :).

JonnyMac
Feb 11, 2008, 11:19 PM
I must say that my standard Macbook Air preety much has the fan going full bore if I am running just Safari (with a Java window open) and MS excel 2004. That is 6200 rpm per iSTAT pro widget. I did not think this would be the case, but after two days of productivity, normal use, that fan is on at max almost 90% of the time. CPU temperature seems almost always above 135 degree F. Yes, the computer is on a flat surface and vent is NOT blocked.

I am wondering if this is normal use situation or if I have a bum Air?

Also, I am noticing the hard drive clicking sounds, which I didn't know still happened with modern hard drives....

I was expecting a quiet experience, but it is not the case at this point. My Air is moving too much Air.

It could very well be MS Excel. I was using MS Excel v.X before and after leaving it on for a few hours I noticed the fans were on non-stop. I opened Activity Monitor and saw that Excel was using 96% of the CPU! I just had a regular Excel doc open, nothing major. I quit the program and the fans stopped...

duffyanneal
Feb 12, 2008, 05:48 AM
Just returned mine.. had enough of this noise..

Apple did really crapy job on this.. Vaio TZ is amazing

Really?? This just shows that you're a troll. I actually owned a TZ and the fan noise is worse than the MBA. Enjoy the TZ especially in a couple of weeks when all the plastic starts squeaking.

Thunderbird1
Feb 12, 2008, 06:17 AM
1. One person mentioned that the HD click noise is apparent on the MBA. That is just like my old powerbook g4. I really don't like hearing that click. Does anyone else experience that annoying click of the hard drive?

2. If I purchase the SSD the click noise goes away, but the fan noise is still apparent? After doing the reset does the fan settle down to a constant 2500 rpm?

3. SSD quiet running, was the main reason for me wanting to go the 1k more.

Any suggestions from you that already have the MBA would be much appreciated.:)

MacRumorUser
Feb 12, 2008, 08:33 AM
^

1) Some people have reported this. However I have not heard anything from my HDD at all

2) Again fan noise, I'm getting concerned because my MBA is running VERY cool, never once seems to get warm like the MB or MBP and I haven't heard a peep out of it fan wise

3) SSD guarantees silent disk access, but 1k for that ? It's your money do as you will. Like I say my HDD is silent, so I guess it comes down to whether you want to try out the HDD version and if you get a noisy one - you can always return within your first couple of weeks and go for the SSD option.

Cybergypsy
Feb 12, 2008, 08:48 AM
I hear mine click maybe 1 time a hour..if that not worth the 1000.00 upgrade IMHO

jsap
Feb 12, 2008, 11:30 AM
long time listener first time caller!, just got my air yesterday and love it. only time ive noticed fan noise at 6500rpm was using time machine today to back up 20gb to a rocstar external hd. so far surfing, itunes, iphoto etc, plugged in power have not noticed anything. very happy with the machine so far! spec wise seems to be faster than my macbook 2ghz intel core duo. also this thing rips music so fast!!!!!!!

illian
Feb 12, 2008, 01:26 PM
compared to the xps m1330 with the same onboard graphics...it is much more silent!! and still fast enought for all the tasks i need it for...love it more every minute!:D

dthree36
Feb 12, 2008, 01:47 PM
Ok,

I just got my replacement MBA 1.8 SSD and the fan was at 2500 RPM out of the box. The laptop is now doing its typical Spotlight indexing so it is spinning at 6200 RPM again. I am going to wait and see if this time the laptop goes back down to 2500 RPM or if this is just bad luck on my part. I can say this when it was spinning at 2500, I really couldn't hear it and 6200 RPM being as fast as that is isn't that bad in a room with some noise.

SCMedic
Feb 12, 2008, 01:59 PM
1.6/HDD here, and I never had the 6200rpm indexing issue. I've had the fan up to 4500 or so, and you can't hear it at all... I'm wondering if there are two different builds going around...

bubbaben
Feb 12, 2008, 03:14 PM
Another long-time lurker... Got my MBA 1.6/80HDD on Saturday and it's been running the fans at 6200 RPM ever since. No spotlight indexing, no apps running, no Safari Flash...
I performed full re-install of the system on Sunday. Tried SMC reset yesterday. Battery reconditioning last night, after the 10.5.2 update. Still running the fans full blast.
On iStat, temps reading low and yet the fan is still running at 6200 rpm:
CPU A 38
Heatsink A 32
Enclosure Bottom 25
Airport Card 29
Power supply 1 38
HD: 27
Fan, Exhaust: 6200rpm

I've got an appointment for the Apple Store genius bar tonight -- first time having to use them. Hopefully they will either have a nice, simple fix, or a replacement Air for me to walk home with! Other than the incessant whirring, I love this thing!

dthree36
Feb 12, 2008, 05:02 PM
Another long-time lurker... Got my MBA 1.6/80HDD on Saturday and it's been running the fans at 6200 RPM ever since. No spotlight indexing, no apps running, no Safari Flash...
I performed full re-install of the system on Sunday. Tried SMC reset yesterday. Battery reconditioning last night, after the 10.5.2 update. Still running the fans full blast.
On iStat, temps reading low and yet the fan is still running at 6200 rpm:
CPU A 38
Heatsink A 32
Enclosure Bottom 25
Airport Card 29
Power supply 1 38
HD: 27
Fan, Exhaust: 6200rpm

I've got an appointment for the Apple Store genius bar tonight -- first time having to use them. Hopefully they will either have a nice, simple fix, or a replacement Air for me to walk home with! Other than the incessant whirring, I love this thing!

Unfortunately there is no fix for the high spinning fans. I spoke with both Apple care and had the Genius appointment an the fix was to replace the unit. My replacement is great and the fan is now hovering around 2500 RPM. So much better and great piece of mind considering how much I spent. Take it back and get your moneys worth on a working MBA.

kamranwpi
Feb 12, 2008, 11:25 PM
Really?? This just shows that you're a troll. I actually owned a TZ and the fan noise is worse than the MBA. Enjoy the TZ especially in a couple of weeks when all the plastic starts squeaking.

My Tz is Carbon Fiber, kicks az.. Sony's hardware is much much much much better than this..

I am running Win XP, (much faster and quieter)

With MBA it wasn't just one thing.. I really needed eathernet connector cuz at our work there isn't any wifi for security reasons...

also only 1 freaking USB .. wtf was apple thinking?? It's just annoying carraying all these accessories

BWhaler
Feb 12, 2008, 11:38 PM
I have this problem too. Just noticed it yesterday.

Fans blow non-stop when the computer is idle. Apples quality is pretty horrific nowadays.

Such a bummer.

duffyanneal
Feb 12, 2008, 11:40 PM
My Tz is Carbon Fiber, kicks az.. Sony's hardware is much much much much better than this..

I am running Win XP, (much faster and quieter)

With MBA it wasn't just one thing.. I really needed eathernet connector cuz at our work there isn't any wifi for security reasons...

also only 1 freaking USB .. wtf was apple thinking?? It's just annoying carraying all these accessories


Actually, the palmrest is plastic on the TZ. It will begin squeaking in a couple of weeks. The case will creak when the display is lifted. How is the power adapter working out for you? I know mine and many others had issues with the machine going to battery power when the adapter plug was rotated or bumped. Do you ever use the machine in a dimly lit room? If so you also know that you can't see the key markings due to the poorly chosen color. A light up keyboard like the MBA would come in handy. The display lid will also start wearing the finish off the plastic palmrest. If you had yours for a while and haven't been using a protective cloth you probably have a nice shiny wear line on the front edge. If your company is so worried about security why are they allowing personal computers on the network? Ever heard of a USB hub?

liaonet
Feb 13, 2008, 09:17 AM
Just to confirm that the fan on my Air is really noisy a lot of the time and I have the Nand drive which is nice and quiet and I have to say that is not the reason to have nand, the reason to have nand is that it doesn't crash and loose all your data.

Masquerade
Feb 13, 2008, 09:22 AM
I must say that my standard Macbook Air preety much has the fan going full bore if I am running just Safari (with a Java window open) and MS excel 2004. That is 6200 rpm per iSTAT pro widget. I did not think this would be the case, but after two days of productivity, normal use, that fan is on at max almost 90% of the time. CPU temperature seems almost always above 135 degree F. Yes, the computer is on a flat surface and vent is NOT blocked.

I am wondering if this is normal use situation or if I have a bum Air?

Also, I am noticing the hard drive clicking sounds, which I didn't know still happened with modern hard drives....

I was expecting a quiet experience, but it is not the case at this point. My Air is moving too much Air.

6200 rpm are 103 rotations per second thats insane !

cbr
Feb 13, 2008, 09:50 AM
The fan noise really bothers me. It usually starts quite soon after starting the Air. 5-10mins of casual web surfing and the fan goes to 6200rpm. (or having 15-20% cpu load for 5-10 min.)

What really bothers me is that the fan will not slow down after I stop doing whatever I'm doing. It takes 15-20mins to slow down while having 0-1% of cpu load while having quite cool cpu with 40-50C.

From my experience the best way to get the fan slower is to close the lid and wait until I can hear the fan to slow down, then open the lid and the fan stays slow until you start to generate cpu load.

And yeah, I've tried SMC-reset etc. and none have helped.

mlar
Feb 14, 2008, 01:43 PM
I have the SSD version of the MBA (1.8). When I used the MBA at work, the fan always worked at high RPMs (4000-6200rpm, mostly pegged at 6200). At home however, it never went above 2500rpm. The other thing I noticed was that if you disconnected the charger, the fans would slow down.

I have two power supplies. I keep one at work and one at home. I decided that the only variable that was different between home and work was the power adapter. So yesterday I switched them around. After several hours of testing, I can now conclude that it is the power adapter. The fan now runs slow at work, and fast at home.

Second thing I noticed. The power supply that has the LOW fan RPM, charges the laptop very slowly. It seems to take 8 hours or so to charge the computer. The power supply that causes the fan to run at HIGH RPM charges the battery much faster (almost twice as fast it seems).

Third thing, the CPU temperature now goes much higher (which is no surprise considering the fan runs slower). With the bad power supply, the CPU temp used to be around ~35C, but with the good power supply, the temperature seems to be ~60C with the same usage pattern (which seems to be in line with the CPU temperature on my MBP).

So, if you are having problems, it might be a good idea to have the power supply exchanged rather than the computer.

dthree36
Feb 14, 2008, 02:00 PM
I have had my replacement MBA for a few days now and the fans only spun up past 2500 for the first few hours. I guess it was spotlight but now it is soooo much better. I was getting kind of Pissed Off because I dropped a lot of money for a laptop when I could have dropped it elsewhere and got more machine.

Well, now that this replacement notebook is working the way it should, I am calm and can report that my experience has improved with each day. For those of you who have your MBA with fans that are being hammered when nothing is running, I urge you to take it back and get one that works. My battery was normal with the first one but with the fan spinning at 2500 all the time, my battery life has increased.

I can also report that my fans spin at 2500 unplugged and plugged in. The MBA is not for everyone. I know several windows based laptops that are almost as thin and have integrated DVD drives and ports will be available soon if not already but I just love this notebook. What will my opinion be when and if the new MBP gets a redesign, I don't know, but I can't wait to see what happens.